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You ever seen the boot of Benedict Arnold?
Scott:Well, what about the leg of Santa Ana?
Scott:Did you know that you can also visit the leg of Civil War General Dan Sickles.
Scott:And even the heart of King Richard, the first, AKA Richard the Lionheart.
Scott:Well, you may not have heard of visiting some of those famous
Scott:appendages or body parts.
Scott:Perhaps you have heard of the separate burial site of Stonewall Jackson's arm.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:That famous Confederate General who stood there like a Stonewall
Scott:at the Battle of Bull Run, was not buried with his left arm.
Scott:In fact, he outlived it by just over a week.
Scott:So join us this evening as we talk about the strange story of Joan
Scott:Stonewall Jackson's left arm, and how he lost it at Chancellor's.
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Scott:So what are we talking about tonight?
Scott:So we're
Jenn:talking about Stonewall Jackson's arm, right?
Jenn:Specifically that he's buried without it.
Jenn:And it's buried in a separate location.
Jenn:Can
Scott:you again set the scene for.
Scott:Chancellor's Ville, kind of what's going on just before Yes.
Scott:And then up into that and how this, how this all happens.
Jenn:So Chancellor's Ville is a, is a couple day long battle.
Jenn:It's not, uh, so it's, it's not like a one day battle.
Jenn:It's a couple day long battle and it's a Confederate win.
Jenn:And Stonewall Jackson is leading that battle.
Jenn:It's in the Virginia area.
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Jenn:And there will have a couple battles in that general area.
Jenn:Further on down in the Civil War, but that first day is
Jenn:successful for the Confederacy.
Jenn:And in the evening, Stonewall Jackson is riding along the line at night
Jenn:and it's a dark night and he's riding along and he comes across the North
Jenn:Carolina, the 18th, North Carolina, and they yell out and he's with.
Jenn:His aids.
Jenn:You can imagine it's not just him by himself.
Jenn:He's with his aids.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:He's got a whole haunt, like a, like four or five people with him.
Scott:Yes.
Jenn:I mean, four or five people die, so he probably has like 10 people with him.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And the 18th Kara line yell, halt, who's there?
Jenn:But before they can answer, they just start shooting.
Jenn:And so then they say, stop.
Jenn:You're firing on your own.
Jenn:Men.
Jenn:Stop.
Jenn:We ain't, we're not Yankees.
Jenn:And they don't believe 'em.
Jenn:They think they're lying.
Jenn:And so they, they fire some more.
Jenn:Oh, okay.
Jenn:And so they end up killing several men, Stonewall Jackson's men.
Jenn:And I tried to look up the names of those men.
Jenn:So if anyone knows.
Jenn:The names of those men, I would be interested in that because you would
Jenn:think that would be folklore saying, I died, or our family member died the night
Jenn:that Stonewall Jackson lost his arm.
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:But Stonewall Jackson has hit three times, uh, in his, twice in his left arm,
Jenn:uh, halfway between his elbow and his shoulder, and then in his left wrist.
Jenn:And then he's lift, he's hit in the right palm of his hand as well.
Jenn:And if you remember from the first Battle of Bul, and he's also shot in his.
Jenn:He's, uh, he's shot in his right hand and through his finger, and that's when he
Jenn:wraps up and kind of holds on his, um, side when he side when he's posing there.
Jenn:Interesting.
Jenn:So, um, so I, it seems like he gets hit in his arms kind of often, but
Jenn:anyway, he gets hit three times, uh, and it basically shatters his left arm.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And so this is the night of May 2nd, and more than likely they've shot
Jenn:his horse and, uh, I don't think they actually kill his horse, but they more.
Jenn:He doesn't have a horse now because they carry him on a stretcher.
Jenn:Oh, okay.
Jenn:And the, this is another thing that's gonna cause his demise.
Jenn:He's carried on a stretcher and he's dropped twice from stretcher height and
Jenn:he's dropped so hard on his side that he has very bad bruising on his side.
Jenn:And this is what they think contributes to his pneumonia.
Jenn:Oh,
Scott:cuz that's what
Jenn:gets him later.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:Cuz he's so injured in his side and it's starting to, you
Jenn:know, Liquid and, and blood.
Jenn:And so interesting.
Jenn:So they, they get into a hospital tent and if you watch our video, we
Jenn:not only go to where the gunshots happened that shattered his arm, we go
Jenn:to the hospital tent where his arm is amputated and his arm is amputated by Dr.
Jenn:Hunter McGuire and we've gone to Hunter McGuire's grave.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:Hunter McGuire is a.
Jenn:Very well known doctor in the Civil War, and not just Confederate doctor.
Jenn:He is the one who's gonna write to President Abraham Lincoln
Jenn:when doctors are captured.
Jenn:And he's going to have this program called the Winchester Accord, which is very, the
Jenn:very first, um, non-combatant article.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:Where he, he makes a case to President Lincoln.
Jenn:We should release doctors on both sides when they're captured.
Scott:So kind of just like that, that.
Scott:That, um, what do you call it, like kind of rule of engagement?
Scott:Yes.
Scott:Where, hey, if they're on there with
Jenn:the, with the Yes.
Jenn:And then they can.
Jenn:Either side.
Jenn:Like they, they, you don't have to release them right away, just release, they're
Jenn:not prisoners and they'll just help.
Jenn:Oh, interesting.
Jenn:And they say that because he did that and because Lincoln was like, yes.
Jenn:He right away released the Confederate doctors and the
Jenn:Confederacy released union doctors.
Jenn:They say that they saved so many more lives and would've
Jenn:been lost because of that.
Jenn:Oh, interesting.
Jenn:So Hunter McGuire did that.
Jenn:Huh?
Jenn:And so is that the statue that we saw in Richmond?
Jenn:That's the statue we saw in Richmond.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:That's the grave we went to in Richmond.
Jenn:And he amputate.
Jenn:Jackson's arm.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And he's also Jackson's personal doctor.
Jenn:He's gonna be with him when he gets Jackson's last words.
Jenn:He's also at the surrender at the battle.
Jenn:And, and, and one
Scott:thing to remember too is at this point in the war, right,
Scott:it's been about almost two years.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And.
Scott:And he is Stonewall Jackson.
Scott:I mean, he has the name, he has the reputation, he is this legend.
Scott:Mm-hmm.
Scott:For the Confederate, he's on both sides, right?
Scott:Mm-hmm.
Scott:It's not just for the Confederacy.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:You know, on the other sides, they're like, oh my gosh, like we're
Scott:going up, up against the Stonewall.
Scott:I'm sure there were soldiers that were like, they would, were dread that they're
Scott:like, they, they would hear, they're going up against, you know, Stonewall Jackson,
Scott:and, and that carries so much weight and so that's why this was kind of such
Jenn:a big.
Jenn:Yeah, so Stonewall Jackson, he's the class of 1846 at uh, west Point.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:And he's teaching at V M I from 1851 to 1861.
Jenn:So 10 years.
Jenn:He's taught at V M I.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And then when the South Secedes in May of 1861, he joins.
Jenn:And it's in July of 1861 that he gets the reputation Stonewall Jackson.
Jenn:So it's not even two months.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:After the war.
Jenn:Cuz it's that first battle of Bullen that he gets that reputation.
Jenn:Can you
Scott:imagine?
Scott:I mean that just, that thought just pops into my head.
Scott:Like imagine being one of his students.
Scott:Right.
Scott:And all of a sudden you hears your teacher and like you hear this
Scott:like massive reputation, right?
Scott:How like I am sure there's plenty of young southern men soldiers that
Scott:were ins truly inspired by that.
Scott:Um, you just thinking about putting yourself in their shoes and not,
Scott:not calling one side or the other, but that's one of the things we
Scott:try to look at is what was it like?
Scott:Yes.
Scott:You know?
Scott:And just, it's interesting thinking
Jenn:about that.
Jenn:Well, you, the other things I found interesting.
Jenn:It, it's general B.
Jenn:Who makes that statement?
Jenn:Look, look at him standing there like a stonewall.
Jenn:Right.
Jenn:Rally up behind the Virginians.
Jenn:They don't know if that was meant to be a compliment or if he was like mad at him.
Jenn:Oh, interesting.
Jenn:Uh, because B gets killed.
Jenn:Right.
Jenn:And they never get a chance for him to clarify his statement.
Jenn:Huh.
Jenn:So some people say he's mad, like, look at him.
Jenn:Just stand there while we're trying to defend everything.
Jenn:Or it could be, look at him standing there.
Jenn:Get behind him.
Jenn:He, he's given us a lot of, uh, morale right now.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So, and another thing I found interesting is that, All this time, Jackson
Jenn:is wearing his blue Union uniform.
Jenn:He doesn't get the gray uniform until 1862.
Jenn:Oh really?
Jenn:So even when he gets the gravitation, Stonewall Jackson, he's wearing a blue.
Jenn:He's
Scott:wearing the blue.
Scott:Because you talked about in our other video that they hadn't really
Scott:settled on the blue versus gray.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:They had, and this is like two months after they seceded.
Jenn:Right.
Jenn:So they haven't had time to like switch out uniforms and everything.
Jenn:So yeah.
Jenn:So moving
Scott:back to Chancellorville.
Scott:He got shot, he got dropped a couple times because it's probably the middle
Jenn:of the night.
Jenn:Middle of the night trying to get him to a medical tent.
Jenn:Right?
Jenn:And so it the, he gets shot late on May 2nd.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:Gets to the medical tent as you can see, pretty far away by foot.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:Early, early morning, May 3rd.
Jenn:So it's about 2:00 AM His arm is amputated.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:We're showing if, if you're listening, we're showing on the live stream a
Scott:kind of a, a picture of where Jackson was injured and where they actually
Scott:amputated his arm and even driving.
Scott:It's a couple miles.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:Right.
Scott:So think about these guys carrying him in the middle of the night.
Scott:I can understand why they, they probably dropped him.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:Um, because they're, you're hitting a random ditch and all of a sudden someone
Scott:falls over and they accidentally drop.
Scott:Drop that.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:Um,
Jenn:so when he gets to the medical tent, hunter McGuire.
Jenn:Amputating limbs, like it's not, Jackson's arm is not the only
Jenn:limb he's amputating that night.
Jenn:It's not like a pile outside.
Jenn:They have a pile outside.
Jenn:So that's what happens.
Jenn:That's crazy.
Jenn:And you get Reverend James Power Smith who comes in in the morning
Jenn:and sees that General Jackson's arm has been amputated and he asks where?
Jenn:Arm and they say, you know, McGuire says it's outside in the pile now.
Jenn:I think probably to distinguish his arm, maybe he put it off to the side, or maybe
Jenn:he still has the general clothing on it.
Jenn:I'm not really sure.
Jenn:Off the clothing?
Jenn:Yeah, I don't know.
Jenn:I don't know how he was able to distinguish, but somehow
Jenn:was able to distinguish it.
Jenn:That was general Stonewall Jackson's arm and his brother-in-law lives in
Jenn:a plantation as you, you can see on the map, like right across the field.
Jenn:Yeah, so it's not even Ellwood house is the levy plant.
Jenn:Brother
Scott:again, if you're listening, if you're listening, um, I encourage
Scott:you one to, to kind of look this up.
Scott:I'll put in the podcast a notes description, a link to the video.
Scott:Um, but it's, you know, Jackson was injured much further away.
Scott:His arm was actually amputated at the hospital tent, and like
Scott:you said, essentially across what we drove across the, the way.
Scott:But probably it was probably like less than a mile.
Scott:Less than a mile.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Less, less than a mile.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:You know, over to this, over to this farmhouse.
Scott:Um, to the, to the Ellwood house.
Scott:To the Elwood house where they would ultimately, uh, take
Jenn:his arm and they take his arm and they bury it that day.
Jenn:And it's not marked, but they give it a Christian funeral.
Jenn:They read from the scripture as they bury it, and they bury it in their fam
Jenn:family cemetery, their family plot there.
Jenn:And then Jackson is moved away from the battle, uh, to, to keep.
Jenn:And he's moved to Guinea station.
Jenn:He's moved down to, uh, the chancellor home, and he's
Jenn:not even moved into the home.
Jenn:He's moved into their back like office shed.
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Jenn:And he, that's where he will eventually die eight days later,
Jenn:but they wanna move him away.
Jenn:Now, the Battle of Chancellorville will be a Confederate win, but Lee
Jenn:sends a message when he hears of the, of Jackson having his, um, his arm am.
Jenn:And he knows that he, um, could be dying.
Jenn:He says, give General Jackson my affectionate regards and say
Jenn:to him he lost his left arm.
Jenn:But I, my right.
Jenn:And that is the kind of the saying that goes with this whole demise because
Jenn:as most people know, this is a real turning point for the Confederacy because
Jenn:of what Jackson brought from morale.
Jenn:But it wasn't just morale, it's.
Jenn:Lee and Jackson had together.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And they, they were both, and, and I think pretty much all
Scott:historians agree and mm-hmm.
Scott:Um, even anecdotally, they'll say like, both of them are great
Scott:military minds, great strategists.
Scott:Yep.
Scott:Right.
Scott:And so that combined with.
Scott:How long they'd been in and their stature, um, and then their
Scott:reputation at the same time, and some of the successes that they had.
Scott:Again, if we go back to the Battle Bull run, nobody expected the
Scott:Confederacy to win that battle.
Scott:No.
Scott:Um, I mean, especially on the union side.
Scott:So it just, it, it caught everybody flatfooted.
Scott:So it was a drastic shift in momentum at the paddle bull run.
Scott:And so the first couple years of, of the Civil War, I mean
Scott:the, the South really had.
Scott:Really serious momentum.
Jenn:And that was Jackson and the thing that Lee and Jackson have together.
Jenn:And I think the thing that Lee loves about Jackson is Lee can
Jenn:basically tell Jackson his end game.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:He's like, this is what I want.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:And Jackson will get it done.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:I'll, I'll go figure it out.
Jenn:And he figures it out.
Jenn:And that's, and people said Jackson was very quiet.
Jenn:He didn't really tell people his tactical plans, but he knew what Lee
Jenn:wanted from whatever battle he was in.
Jenn:He knew what, what Lee's outcome.
Jenn:Was, and so he would make that happen.
Jenn:And that made Lee, he trusted him.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So he felt like, I don't have to give him the step by step.
Jenn:I tell him what I want.
Jenn:He goes and executes.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And what's interesting now is too it, you know, we'll talk about actually
Scott:being there and filming the video.
Scott:So there's two markers.
Scott:There's two markers.
Scott:We, we found the, we found the two markers.
Scott:We kind of had to like, TRAs through the, you know, we had to be really careful.
Scott:Tell the kids to stay in the car.
Scott:We're like walking along the freeway to get to the one where he was wounded.
Scott:The other one where his arm was actually amputated was a little bit easier.
Scott:It's by like a winery now.
Scott:Yeah, it's by, by a winery and actually it's on the battlefield.
Scott:In the video description, I believe I put a Google Maps link
Scott:if you ever want to go visit.
Scott:I'm pretty sure I marked all the spots where we were.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And in the Ellwood Manor.
Scott:So it was actually, normally you can drive up to it, I think more in like the tourist
Jenn:season.
Jenn:It was gated off.
Jenn:You could still walk to it.
Jenn:Right.
Jenn:Um, and
Scott:that's what we did.
Scott:That's what we did.
Scott:But we walked to, it was like maybe a quarter mile.
Scott:Mm-hmm.
Scott:But it was like 45 degrees.
Scott:It was really, it was really cold.
Scott:Kids were troopers.
Scott:But Elwood house, I mean, it's a decent sized house.
Scott:And one of the things about Elwood House was there, um, like a year later.
Scott:A bunch of the union use it as headquarters for a while.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So another, you know, these, these areas are kind of used over and
Jenn:over again when you think of Bull Run and the Battle of Manasas.
Jenn:Right.
Jenn:I tell you like there's two battles there and people will call it the First Battle
Jenn:of Manassas, or the first Battle of Bull Run and the second battle of Manassas.
Jenn:Like you don't know.
Jenn:And so Chancellorville, another battle that happens in that general
Jenn:area is the battle of wilderness.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:And during the Battle of Wilderness, you.
Jenn:The union setting up headquarters at Ellwood house.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And the, the marker for Jackson's arm didn't come till the early 19 hundreds.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:1903.
Scott:And so they, they may not have even realized that, hey, Stonewall
Scott:Jackson's arm was buried like
Jenn:20 yards from here.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Like if you go to the Ellwood house, the, the cemetery is just right.
Jenn:Outside, it might be 50 yards away.
Jenn:Right.
Jenn:And right by a big oak tree.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And it's a family plot.
Jenn:They say now that the markers for the family are no longer there, but
Jenn:I'm sure at that time they were sure.
Jenn:And the arm isn't marked where today just the arm is marked.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And there's no family marker Is um, now there's folklore
Jenn:that the arm has been dug up.
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Jenn:More than.
Jenn:But even in this, like the seventies, yes.
Jenn:But everybody, but from what I read, they still think the arm
Jenn:is there in that cemetery, just not where the marker is today.
Jenn:Right.
Jenn:And the, uh, national Park Service is not gonna dig
Scott:and look for it.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And then last, last, but not least, we went to the place where
Scott:he actually died, where he died.
Scott:And so that, um, on the map, they actually call it like a Stonewall Jackson Shrine.
Scott:I didn't really see it as a shrine.
Scott:It was basically just like a house.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:It's like the, it, it's a little.
Jenn:Farmhouse.
Jenn:It, it was, like I said, the, the office store room for the Chancellor Plantation.
Jenn:It was a plantation.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And so Jackson doesn't wanna go in the house and bother the people.
Jenn:They put him in this, that.
Jenn:They make him as comfortable as they can in that and,
Scott:and I think at that point he's like hallucinating.
Jenn:He's like, so the first couple days he doesn't, and then
Jenn:when the pneumonia sets in Yeah.
Jenn:He really starts to
Scott:hallucinating.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:He starts like giving orders to people, acting like he's on the battlefield.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:And he's with Hunter McGuire.
Jenn:His doctor is with him.
Jenn:His wife will make it to his bedside before he dies.
Jenn:And their young daughter.
Jenn:That's right.
Jenn:She's there with him.
Jenn:And his final words are to Hunter McGuire.
Jenn:He says, let us cross over the river and rest beneath the shade of the.
Scott:Which, which is interesting, like to, for that to be your last words.
Scott:It's a very kind of, I
Jenn:think it's biblical.
Jenn:It's very poignant.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Hen McGuire said he got like a, a, a smile on his face cuz he was very like, agitated
Jenn:before that because he, like you said, he was like given battle orders, right.
Jenn:Going up, uh, going up the hill and do this and do, and then Hunter said, he got
Jenn:like a smile on his face and then said, you know, let's cross over the river and
Jenn:rest beneath the shade of the trees and.
Jenn:Line has inspired, even Ernest Hemingway uses that line.
Jenn:Oh, really?
Jenn:In the opening of one of his books.
Jenn:So it's like that, that lives in American history too.
Jenn:The Stonewall Jackson's last words were this kind of, you
Jenn:know, uh, I'm gonna go rest.
Jenn:Pleasant.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Rest.
Jenn:My time is done.
Jenn:I'm gonna rest beneath the shade of the trees like that.
Jenn:It's, it's a very, Historic thing to say.
Scott:Yeah, that's, it was very interesting and, and being out there,
Scott:we were, it was like February for us.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:So a lot of times it kinda wasn't open.
Scott:Nothing, nothing was open, you know, but we show you everything,
Scott:but we get to show you everything.
Scott:We kind of peeked, peeked inside the windows a little bit.
Scott:And again, just being around in that area where there was union troops going
Scott:all throughout and Confederate troops going all throughout, I mean, all
Scott:this area, we were just driving around circles trying to find things, you know.
Scott:That's where the war was
Jenn:happening.
Jenn:And it's interesting when he dies at Guinea station, he dies May 10th, 1863.
Jenn:It's right on a railroad line.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:Because the railroad came by right when we were there.
Jenn:So after he dies, you know, they can put his body on the the train car and he
Jenn:goes back to Richmond and his body lays in state at the governor's mansion at.
Jenn:Um, Jefferson Davis's house.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Which we have a video on which we've been there.
Jenn:So you can imagine Stonewall Jackson's body laid, laid address there.
Jenn:And then he was buried in, uh, Oak Grove Cemetery in Lexington, and his
Jenn:wife was given the option to dig up the arm and bury him with his arm.
Jenn:And when she heard that the arm had a Christian funeral, She said
Jenn:Better better to leave it at rest.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So that's why he's not buried with his arm is she decided And she
Jenn:never remarries, she's considered the widow of the Confederacy.
Jenn:Oh, that's,
Scott:she gets a, does she kind of have that title?
Scott:She
Jenn:has that title.
Jenn:She writes two books about Jackson.
Jenn:Oh, interesting.
Jenn:Um, and that's, uh, that's how she's kind of a martyr for the rest of her life.
Jenn:But, uh, it was just a very interest.
Jenn:The quick demise of Jackson.
Jenn:Like it's a, it's fast and it's happens by his own men.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Which I find interesting because so much of what Jackson did to, to boost
Jenn:morale and put the air into, you know, the, the sails of his fellow
Jenn:men, they, they completely suck the air out of the sails with his death
Jenn:because he was killed by his own men.
Jenn:His arms amputated.
Jenn:He dies eight days later and that's it.
Jenn:There have been historians who conjure, like if he was a Gettysburg, would it have
Jenn:made a difference Because that first day the Confederacy waivers and doesn't take
Jenn:Cemetery Ridge when they actually could have, because the union were regrouping.
Jenn:And Lee has said like, he would've known if he would've
Jenn:told Jackson, I want that ridge.
Jenn:He would've made it happen instead of the Confederate General all
Jenn:the time was like, oh no, we, we kind of himmed and hot a bit.
Jenn:Yeah, we probably shouldn't do that.
Jenn:And I think that, you know, losing Jackson is really what starts to
Jenn:undo the south and leave us, right?
Jenn:He lost his right hand man.
Jenn:And Jackson still lives on an infamy, just like we went into, uh, bull run,
Jenn:but, Even when we went to Richmond, Virginia, his statue was there.
Jenn:Oh yeah.
Jenn:Beside, uh, hunter McGuire.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Right in the capitol of Richmond, Virginia.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Right, right there.
Scott:Right there.
Scott:Smack in the middle of everything.
Scott:Mm-hmm.
Scott:Um, it was, it was kind of a neat one to do because where the, where the
Scott:arm is buried, where the Ellwood Manor house, it's, it's not close to too much.
Scott:Um, no.
Scott:It, it, we, I mean, we had to.
Scott:Very intentionally go out there.
Scott:It's not like it's a quick trip away.
Scott:I mean, I guess if you lived in Richmond, it was probably maybe
Scott:30, 40 minutes from Richmond.
Scott:Um, yes.
Scott:But we had to like very specifically go out there.
Scott:It's kind of in the middle of nowhere.
Scott:There's not much around there.
Scott:There's some wineries.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:You know?
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:That's pretty
Jenn:much it.
Jenn:That's pretty much it.
Jenn:If you're going to like, maybe the battlefield of
Jenn:wilderness, you would see it.
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:Uh, I would say more people.
Jenn:We, we saw nobody at El, at El Woodhouse.
Jenn:More people were stopping at the, the death site of, of Jeff, of
Scott:easier to Jackson, a
Jenn:little easier to get to.
Jenn:And they have a big sign on this, on the interstate, the main interstate that
Jenn:says Stone Stonewall Jackson death site.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:So I think more people saw that and pulled off and, and
Jenn:wanted to go see the death site.
Jenn:And like I said, it's a house.
Jenn:It has, it has a stone there, it has some little information
Scott:panels.
Scott:Typical kind of, you know, national park.
Scott:Mm-hmm.
Scott:Kind of
Jenn:informational things, but that's about it.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:It's not.
Jenn:It's not like too exciting.
Jenn:And then I, if it's open, you can see like a bed frame in there and other things.
Jenn:But yeah, it's pretty basic.
Jenn:But it was neat to tell that entire story and that demise, especially since
Jenn:we've been to bull run, especially since we've been able to kind of follow
Jenn:his legacy from where he made his name to where he ba ended up losing it.
Scott:Right, right.
Scott:Where he lost his name and, and kinda an interesting kind of sub.
Scott:Niche of history of these like famous appendages mm-hmm.
Scott:That were forever separate, forever separated from the famous person that they
Jenn:used to be attached to.
Jenn:And it's funny how these appendages.
Jenn:Get their own story.
Jenn:Right, right.
Jenn:Like they, these appendages actually live on, on their own.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Without who They're connected to, uh, Jefferson Davis for a very long time.
Jenn:I mean, Jefferson Davis, I'm sorry, Stonewall Jackson for a very long
Jenn:time will be celebrated in Virginia.
Jenn:His birthday is a holiday for a very long time until they
Jenn:switch, uh, into election day.
Jenn:Oh, interesting.
Jenn:So he's very much like, Still seen as, as the hero of the south.
Jenn:And if you go into vmi, you go into area, his home is still preserved.
Jenn:You can go visit his home.
Jenn:His horse is buried at vmi, uh, close to where the statue is at a vmi.
Jenn:What's his horse's name?
Jenn:Is it that like it say Old Sorl or something?
Jenn:Something, something like that.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:So when you go, if you ever go to, um, Stone Mountain in Virginia and
Jenn:they have the carving of Lee and Davis and Jackson on their horses.
Jenn:Oh really?
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Don't want Jackson's on his horse.
Jenn:Yeah.
Scott:Well, again, th this was just a, another one of those
Scott:neat ones because it's such an interesting story all by itself.
Scott:Like you said, it, that story of his le of his left arm really kind of
Scott:just is a story in and of itself.
Scott:It lives by itself attached to, you know, not.
Scott:Physically, but you know, attached to this famous, this larger than life
Scott:character and, and this interesting story and all these interesting little
Scott:kind of folklore, and people said this in the seventies, some Marines were out
Scott:there and maybe dug it up and gave a 21 gun salute and then reburied it and
Scott:all this crazy stuff like start Google.
Scott:Google some of the stories around Jackson's.
Scott:Left arm sometime, and, uh, I, I think you'll have a good evening at home.
Scott:Kind of just smiling.
Scott:So, legends of the past are often seen as larger than life succeeding at every
Scott:turn, overcoming insurmountable odds and almost invulnerable to injury or death.
Scott:In the early part of the Civil War, no one fit that description
Scott:better than Stonewall Jackson.
Scott:But if you've been paying attention, Jackson was only that larger than
Scott:life character for barely half.
Scott:A civil war.
Scott:His loss was so significant that even General Lee wrote, Jackson has lost
Scott:his left arm, but I have lost my right.
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