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In this episode of 'Need to Know,' Dr. Nsenga Burton discusses the potential implications of the new administration's proposed policies on policing and criminal justice, mentioned in Project 2025. The episode covers topics such as the use of executive orders, the potential politicization of the Department of Justice, and the rollback of criminal justice reforms. Dr. Burton urges viewers, especially people of African descent, to be cautious and prepared for negative interactions with law enforcement. Practical advice is offered, including the importance of having a lawyer's contact information readily available and ensuring vehicle and personal legalities are in order.

▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction to Need to Know with Dr. Nsenga Burton

00:18: Overview of the New Administration's Policies

01:21: Personal Story: Teenagers' Encounter with Police

02:21: Implications of the New Policies on Criminal Justice

03:26: Department of Justice and Civil Rights Concerns

06:38: Advice for Interactions with Law Enforcement

08:47: Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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BEP Narrator:

A Black Executive Perspective now presents Need to Know

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with the award winning hyphenated Dr.

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Nsenga Burton.

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Dr.

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Burton.

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What do we need to know?

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Good afternoon

and welcome to Need to Know with Dr.

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Nsenga Burton.

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I am she Nsenga Burton.

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Today We're going to talk about some of

the things that you may look forward to or

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not so forward to with this next And with

this next administration, as it relates to

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policing and some of the criminal justice

items that are at least listed in project

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2025, which they're saying is a wish list

of right wing and white nationalists.

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But if you're looking at some of

the announcements have that have

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been made, it seems like they're

following that wish list to get off

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in terms of what they want to do.

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And our, uh, Next president, our president

elect has already said, uh, that he is

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willing to use his executive orders to

get these, uh, policies into place if he

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cannot get Congress, uh, to pass them.

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But he's about to have a, uh, a

Republican Senate and House, but we know.

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That doesn't always mean that you

get your legislation pushed through.

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Um, and then, of course, he can also

use his courts that he is, um, nominated

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or appointed people to as well.

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But I wanted to talk about this

because I, I learned of a situation.

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Involving 2 teenagers who were

on their way to a homecoming

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event, a ball address event, and

they were stopped by the police.

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And I had the opportunity to hear

some of the audio and how the police

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officer was talking to them and.

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Apparently, of course, everyone

the night, and they were

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really afraid for their lives.

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So I just want to remind

people that police officers are

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not necessarily your friend.

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They're not there to be your friend.

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They're supposed to be there to serve

and protect, but we do have a long,

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long history of negative interactions

between police officers and people

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of African descent, black people,

brown people, or what have you.

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So I think you need to, what you

need to know is that because.

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Uh, people will be emboldened by

this new president and the policies

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that, uh, he wants to put in place.

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For example, he wants to

stop criminal justice reform.

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So, what that means is when they

were, you know, some areas, you know,

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carrying marijuana is a misdemeanor.

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Now he wants to be a felony again.

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Some areas, you know, they had

reduced the sentencing guidelines.

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So, you know, you serve a shorter

period of time for certain crimes.

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We can stay on marijuana.

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Um, but now they want to

stop that and increase the

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amount of time that you serve.

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They also want to, um, make use of

the RICO statutes, um, to, in order

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to imprison larger numbers of people,

um, take them off the streets, so

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to speak, um, whether or not they

I won't say whether or not they're

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innocent or guilty, they have to go

through a trial, but the Rico statute.

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So we have an example of that here

in Atlanta of the Rico statute

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being used, um, against the record

label, but, um, they also, you

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know, he wants to politicize the

DOJ, the Department of justice.

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I'm getting to my point in just a 2nd, I

just want to give you a little bit of this

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information, the Department of justice.

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So, instead of the Department justice

mission, which is to serve in the interest

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of the public, he wants to change it.

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So that is.

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Their mission to serve in the

interest of the president.

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Okay.

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So that means all of the things that

are done, you know, whether it's an

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investigation of civil rights crimes, you

know, whether it's anything that you are

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used to having the Department of justice.

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Do I even investigate?

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You know, Congress people, or what

have you for crimes he wants that to

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go away and he wants them to pledge

basically pledge allegiance to him

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and say, forget the public interest.

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You need to be working and be

in alignment with the president.

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It's a corporate model.

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Right?

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Where you're.

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Uh, whatever department you

run should be aligned with the

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strategic plan, the strategic

vision of the president's office.

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Right?

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So he wants to do that.

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And as opposed to having the Department

of justice, which is supposed to represent

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the interest of the people and then

just 1 more thing, even though violent

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crime has dropped significantly in

major cities, most of the information

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that they, most of the wish list is

coming from false information about,

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you know, Statistics on violent crime.

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So they're saying it's more violent

crime is more violent crime.

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There's more violent crime.

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Well, in fact, it's less violent

crime and violent crime has been

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reduced in many, many municipalities

cities or what have you.

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And so, What you need to know is that

information, this response, right?

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We need to have more death penalty.

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That's also part of this, right?

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We want to put more

people to death, right?

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These are pro life people, but they

want to put more people to death.

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Um, we want to, um, build more

prisons for when we do these mass

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deportations so that we can put people

in there until we can get rid of them.

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Right.

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So we already had them, uh, putting

kids in cages, losing track of the kids,

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finding out some of the kids were sex

traffic that already happened:

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But apparently we want more of that.

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So, um, that's going to

probably start happening now.

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So what I need you to know is in

order for people to work for this

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particular president, they are going

to have to pledge allegiance to him.

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All right.

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And so.

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All of those rights and protections

that people have been working

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to put into place, particularly

following George Floyd, particularly

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following, um, Ahmud Aubrey, you

know, these very high profile cases.

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Brianna Taylor, um, will

be either rescinded.

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Or repealed and so what you need

to know is your interactions with

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anybody who's representative of, you

know, the president anyway, shape or

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form, particularly since he's calling

himself the law and order president.

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Right?

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It's probably going to be negative.

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It's very high possibility.

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That'll be negative.

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There's a very high possibility

that your civil rights will be

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violated because there'll be

nowhere for you to go to get them.

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Um, Um, to even, uh, notify yet

alone, um, tried to remedy the

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situation through the courts.

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And even if you are able to get

that done, the likelihood of you

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remediating the situation through

the courts is slim to none.

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So my point is, you should be ready

to be pulled over by the police.

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Um, you should be ready to

have a good, good attitude.

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I don't care if they're calling you the

n word, don't say nothing, especially

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if you're teenagers, don't say nothing.

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You should be ready to ask

for your lawyer immediately.

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One of my friends, um, she, um, when

her son turned 16 and started driving,

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she gave him a lawyer, um, introduced

him to the lawyer, and he carried

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the lawyer's information with him,

and he actually did need it once.

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Um, so you need to know that

you need to have a lawyer.

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Um, You know, hopefully on

speed dial, you know, old people

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like me call it speed dial.

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You don't have to be fumbling around

for stuff where you just do this

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and they call the lawyer right away.

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Um, and you need to be ready for

some really intense interactions

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because, you know, civil rights,

um, are basically going away, um,

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and they will not be enforced.

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And, um, the, your remedies

will be curved curved.

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So the likelihood of you being

able to do anything for yourself

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is very slim once that happens.

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So I say all that to say, I'm sorry.

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If you didn't read project 2025, you

might want to read it now because

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all these people who voted for

him, particularly those who have.

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Long, long relationships with the

incarceration and mass incarceration,

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and all of the great things that

were happening in order to repeal

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some of that damaging those damaging

policies, like, these extremely long

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prison terms for nonviolent crimes.

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The amount of which you could be

imprisoned, you know, all of this

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positive legislation around marijuana

and CBD and all of that is going away.

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So, uh, be clear, uh, that.

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You may not have the most positive

interactions with police officers,

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or people from the, or people who are

aligned with the president anyway,

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shape or form, because that's what he

wants and in order for them to work for

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him and to continue to work for him.

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They have to say that that's what

they want to, and they have to do.

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What he wants them to do in

order to keep their jobs.

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So that's all I got.

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It's gonna be a long 4 years and

then, you know, all the generational

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damage that will be done.

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So it's gonna be longer than that.

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But these next 4 years.

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Could be 8, I guess, you know,

since he said he didn't play

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and leave the White House.

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So it's gonna be a long 4 years, but

please know, which you need to know.

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Have a lawyer on speed dial, follow

all the ru uh, rules of the road.

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So, you know, if you do have an older

car that has tinted windows, if you live

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in a county now or a state, that doesn't

allow them, get rid of the tinted windows.

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Not to blame the victim, I'm just saying,

um, if you have a light out on your car,

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you know, this is Sandra Bland, right?

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If you have just one, a bulb

missing, oh, no big deal.

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It's just one bulb.

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I'll get it done tomorrow.

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Get it done today.

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Get it done today.

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Um, but don't give them anything.

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Use your signal.

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Don't give them anything Um or any reason

to stop you they're going to anyway, you

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know for For all intents and purposes, but

you don't want to Be able to have them say

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well I stopped you because you had this or

you had that You want to have everything

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in line registration in place all your

taxes paid property taxes Don't have

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any outstanding traffic tickets, right?

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Because in some places, I'm sure

they'll be saying, once you have

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a certain number, they're going

to turn it into a felony, right?

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Because they got to keep the prison field.

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All right.

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So make sure that you are

handling your business.

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So tune in.

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podcast, and I will see you then.

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