Today’s guest will help us explore this question, as well as the current state of immigration in the US, the areas where both Democrats and Republicans are getting things wrong, and why increasing empathy is necessary to create change. 

Jason De León is a Professor of Anthropology and Chicana/o and Central American Studies at UCLA, Executive Director of the Undocumented Migration Project, and the author of the award-winning book “The Land of Open Graves: Living and Dying on the Migrant Trail”. His new book, “Soldiers and Kings”, is an in-depth look at the daily lives of smugglers moving migrants across the length of the Mexico. Find out more at jasonpatrickdeleon.com.

Disrupting Peace is a production of The World Peace Foundation. The show is produced by Bridget Conley and Emily Shaw. Engineering by Jacob Winik and Aja Simpson. Marketing and social media by Kelsey Henquinet. Show artwork by Simon Fung.

Special thanks to Jeremy Helton, Lisa Avery, B. Arneson, Alex de Waal, and the team from the Tufts Digital Design Studio, including Kimberly Lynn Forero-Arnias, and Miles Donovan.

Find out more about the World Peace Foundation at worldpeacefoundation.org, and follow us on X at @worldpeacefdtn.