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Lince Dorado and John Kiernan explore the integral role of music in wrestling, discussing how themes can enhance a wrestler's character and presentation. They delve into the creative process behind crafting unique wrestling themes, the importance of personal branding, and the art of gear making. Dorado shares his journey of self-sufficiency in creating his own gear and music, emphasizing the value of professionalism in the wrestling industry. The discussion highlights the significance of music and gear in shaping a wrestler's identity and the impact it has on their performance.

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Do you like wrestling? Do you like music and stories from the road? Join John Kiernan, wrestling entrance theme song composer, and professional musician of over 10 years for stories and interviews with your favorite wrestlers, rock stars, and personalities!

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John Kiernan is a wrestling entrance theme song composer with over 150 themes written for wrestlers in various promotions such as NJPW, WWE, ROH, MLW, and many more. As a professional musician, a veteran in the podcasting space, an avid pro wrestling fan and wrestling personality by way of creating the soundtracks for your favorite wrestlers, John Kiernan forges his latest podcasting venture into diving into stories of music, stories from the road, and wrestling from all walks of life from your (and his) favorites of all time.

one and only, Lince Dorado.

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Because there's only one of you, and there should only be one of you.

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No one can be you and no one should try.

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No one can even come close.

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can be the 2010 AND 2011 Mr.

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Puss in Boots, Luchalet, Ligues Adorados.

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That's right, there's only one.

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There's only one.

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so good to talk to you again, my friend.

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It's been a little bit of a time.

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How's the family?

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How are the kids?

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How's everyone doing?

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My boys are in school.

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My oldest daughter actually just graduated school, so she's no longer attending school

anymore.

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It's kind of weird.

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She's going to do college though in January.

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And then my babies, my twins, they just went down, so they're doing great.

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Everybody's doing great.

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We're blessed, man.

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I can't really complain.

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I did shave, as you guys can see a little bit.

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So they just, I did that like three days ago just to be funny.

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I honestly, I'm not going to lie.

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I just did it to be funny and nobody found it funny.

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except for me.

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I was going to say, do your kids come home sometimes and they're like, hey, you know, what

would happen if we removed the facial hair?

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And you're just like, you don't want to do that, but maybe I will.

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Or is it always a you thing?

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yeah, for a while my sons were like, you should grow goatee, you should grow goatee.

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And I'm like, I don't know, man.

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Like, I don't think I look right with a goatee.

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So I did it randomly.

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Well, one, it was getting like too crazy.

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I wasn't maintaining it.

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I should maintain it, but I wasn't.

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And then I think I just had that like Britney Spears moment.

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like, I'm gonna shave it off.

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But before I do, let me try all these different facial hair, goatee, mustache.

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all of them before I ended up as like, know, let's just shave it all off, we'll grow back,

but start brand new.

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But I'm looking at my camera, dude, I look so weird.

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look like 2005, 2006 when I first started.

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Let's say it's weird.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, it's crazy too.

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And for me, it's the same thing.

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Like I've had the family say, why don't you shave everything at one point?

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And I did.

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And I went down like 20 years, like I looked like a baby.

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And I'm just like, even if I just trim it up, it looks okay.

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I also had hair for years that was like past my elbows when I was performing a lot.

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And you know, we say it's a Britney Spears moment sometimes where it's just like, my God,

you just removed it one day.

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Dude, one day I woke up, it was like a Monday or whatever.

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And I'm like, I wonder what this would look like.

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All right.

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But I remember hopping on the phone with my mom and my wife and they were just like, my

God.

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Then they were asking me like, are you okay?

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Like, is everything okay in your life?

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I'm like, dude, I promise it's fine.

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It's just, it's time for a change, baby.

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That's what it is.

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Yeah, I had to go pick up my son at school the day after I did it and he was not happy.

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And also too, the person at the desk was like, cause he didn't come to me right away.

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He didn't recognize me right away.

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It's been honestly almost like 10 years since I actually shaved it all off, I guess.

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And the lady was like, do you not know this guy?

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And he's like, he's like, yeah, yeah, I do.

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He just looks weird because he doesn't have hair anymore.

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But she almost didn't let him come to me, which I thought was funny, but I was like,

whatever.

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That's awesome.

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Well, we are here on ropes and riffs and we talk to wrestlers.

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talk to musicians.

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And the thing I love to do is talk to you guys, you wrestlers, all you amazing people and

just talk, just talk about wrestling music and specifically talk about wrestling themes

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too.

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Cause there's such an important part of wrestling and I don't think we talk about it

enough.

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We don't think about it enough, but you know, maybe over the last couple of years, it's

gotten a lot more visibility in mainstream and things like that.

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But.

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know why though, because it's been bad.

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The music has been bad.

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So the talk that you've been hearing is and I don't wanna say bad.

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I just don't think like it's not connecting worthy when it comes to the wrestlers and the

fans like there's such a big disconnect.

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In fact, there's a clip from WWE and I'm not just saying WWE, I'm just saying.

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There's a clip of Seth Rollins watching the rumble and somebody's music hits and he's

jamming out for a second But then you could see him say who is this?

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I'm like bro.

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You're in the same company.

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It's not his fault You know, it's not WB's fault It's the people who create the music for

these for this for the wrestlers and it's also too and like I'm not like pooping on the

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wrestlers or shitting on the wrestlers, but it's also hard to write a story or music for a

wrestler who doesn't have a character like

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When we sit down with WWE or somebody, like when we sat down, it was very clear what I

wanted.

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When you sit down with other people, it's like, well, I like this and I like that.

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And I'm like, well, what does this have to do with your character?

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What are you trying to portray?

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I know when we talk and we'll talk about the creation of my theme, I was very specific.

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I had an idea of what I wanted to do with it.

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I had an idea of.

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how it changes the atmosphere in the room, how it changes my mindset for when I go through

the curtain.

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And a lot of people don't do that.

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A lot of people are so gung-ho of like, I like this theme song, or this is popular, or

there's a line in here out of all the other lines that makes sense, but then the rest of

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the song doesn't.

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So there's just a lot of music right now since probably 2010-ish maybe.

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2010, the last 14 years, I guess, have been unoriginal.

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Like I said, there's a really bad disconnect when it comes from that first bar to when the

person comes out where I might have to question who this person is until the bell rings,

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or maybe until the bell rings at the end.

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And then I'm like, okay, I kind of get that.

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But then the music is such a disconnect.

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Yeah.

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think that's what the chatter's coming from.

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There's a lot of chatter, but I don't think it's a lot of good chatter.

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And I'll tell you that one time I had just on LinkedIn, and I've said this story in a

couple of different times before, but I think it speaks here.

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I was able to speak to Jim Johnston through LinkedIn when I had started doing this, right?

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And one thing that I had always heard through, obviously, The Great Vine is, well, you

know, he's the, obviously because I'm a fan, but like Stone Cold's theme is great.

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Undertaker's theme is great.

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Of course.

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And when I started talking to him, I sent him a couple of my themes.

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gave me some feedback.

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And he was like, you know, think about the undertaker, think about those people.

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And my question wasn't so much about those, because when you think about the undertaker as

a character, the whole presentation is there, you know, so you can really fit something a

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little bit more eerie and a little bit more like funeral dirge to him.

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But for me, it was less like, okay, cool.

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What do you do for him?

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Makes sense.

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But what do you do for somebody who in the world of professional wrestling in the world of

like combat fighting is

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for lack of a better term, just a wrestler, right?

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Or that's the portrayal.

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And I remember that he told me at one point, he goes, everybody is unique and everybody

has a story.

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He goes, you have to find that story because that's what makes the people unique.

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And, you know, I would bring up like a Daniel Bryan.

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was like, what do you think Bryan Danielson obviously in AEW as of this recording, but how

do you do someone like that?

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He's just a great wrestler.

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How do you do someone like a Steve Blackman is, you know, some of the people I was going

to.

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And I remember when he said that it struck such a chord because you have to understand who

you're working with.

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And even when I've talked to you and others, I always ask people, what's the thing that

you want people to know about you before you hit the ring?

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Cause that's important.

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You should hear the song and you should know, at least get a vibe for who's coming out.

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Totally.

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like one of my theme songs, I used to use Megadeth's Duke Nukem theme song, but before it

I would put in the Meow Meow remix, the Meow Mix remix where it'd be like meow meow meow

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meow, and then it would jump into the thing.

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And I just remembered when I first started in 2005, 2006, El Generico had the ole, ole,

ole, ole, ole, ole, then it went into his song.

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And I remember Gabe Sapolsky was like the only guy on the Indies right now that has a

theme song because they know who's gonna come out, they know who it is, is El Generico

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because of the way that it fit his character.

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So I wanted to replicate that with all my music moving forward.

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So it started with the Meow Mix and to the Duke Nukem.

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And then it always had like either my voice or a tagline because again, for me as a

luchador, it's important for people to understand like my face, my eyes.

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but also to understand my voice.

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So, you know, at any moment that I'm allowed to talk or do a promo or play my music where

they can hear my voice, like they know like, that's Lin-Said Dorado.

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Because we don't have that luxury anymore of having those sweet entrance videos of showing

the character, the moveset, you know, before the entrance.

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We don't have that anymore.

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So we have to create like this atmosphere, this captivating image of persona and aura.

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that we have in the 30 seconds that we have to get from the curtain to the ring.

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And with the music, with the presentation of the gear and the swagger, like, you know, the

confidence, it all comes as the total package.

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But going back to what you were saying, like, if you're just a wrestler, like, what are

you gonna do?

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Your music hits, you just walk to the ring.

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You don't have any, you know, moment or a cue in your music that...

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know, the beat drops or something, like we're like, okay, now I'm coming to be, you know,

this good guy.

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Now I'm going to become an ass kicker.

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There's no, there's no transition in that.

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And it's just music right now.

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Like I, there's a, there's some music out there right now that I'm like, that's pretty

good.

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20 years from now, 30 years from now, nobody will care.

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But we're still talking about all the music from like the nineties attitude era, even like

the crappy WCW rip offs.

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Like some people are still, they're banging, they're bangers when it comes to

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know, theme songs.

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But yeah, they're just like, it is hard when you're just a wrestler.

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It's hard for the writer and it's hard for the composer just to create something for the

wrestlers because you're really doing an injustice, you know, for they're doing an

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injustice to themselves.

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And like, you're just kind of going with the flow, just creating this something, you know,

this music just to like make them happy.

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But at the end of the day, is it really contributing to

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their overall aesthetic as a professional, most likely not.

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And I remember that when you and I started working on Lucha Lit, you and I were talking a

lot about like who you saw yourself as.

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And one of the things I always appreciated when we wrote that theme was you have this idea

of who you are and who your character is, and it's very defined.

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But one thing that you had always said, and one thing that you made very clear was your

in-ring is very different than a lot of luchadors.

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You know, there's a lot of high flying that goes on in

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that Lucha Libre style.

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And for you, you can obviously do all those things.

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But one thing that you had always focused on, at least from when you talked to me, was,

you know, I have more of that grappling background and it's a little bit more on the

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floor.

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It's a little bit rougher and a little bit more rugged.

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And obviously if you look up any Linsey DeVarado videos or you see any matches, you see

all of the things that Linsey can do.

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But I think it was really important in that moment for me to hear, okay, cool.

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Like a lot of Luchadors may go in this direction, but for me,

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I really want to highlight these parts of my personality because that does differentiate

you when you're coming to the ring, when you're in ring and it really amplifies who you

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are, whether you're being more of like a brutal type or anything like that.

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So that was such a good call out that you brought up like, Hey, my style is very different

intentionally than other luchadores in the space.

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the music needs to reflect that.

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Yeah, for me personally, like again, I can do all the styles if I really wanted to.

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Japanese, neutral, very British.

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My background growing up has always been amateur Olympic wrestling.

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I just, there's something about hand to hand grappling or combat that, you know, it's a

one-on-one sports.

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The only one-on-one sport that really means something.

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And I wanted to definitely translate that in wrestling because I wanted to bring the

authenticness of being real, being

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angry, being aggressive, you know, in the ring rather than like just look like it's a

choreographed exhibition of professional wrestling moves.

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Like to me, that's, I don't do professional wrestling matches.

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You know, I do storytelling.

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So I wanted to make sure that whatever my music was relayed that like, you know, you're

not just getting, for example, here's, we're going to get into it now.

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WWE, right?

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205.

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I, they asked me what music I wanted and I gave them,

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Originally, I said, hey, this is the music I've had the mega deaf theme song.

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Do you have something similar to this?

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So the first round of the CWC, they gave me a song that was like, I was all right.

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It wasn't the best, but it wasn't like ultra lucha.

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So was like, I could I could work with this for right now.

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We'll change it when I get to the main roster or whatever.

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But the same round, three matches later, they gave the same song to Tony Nese.

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So when we came to the second round, I go, hey.

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Can you play my theme song and then play Tony Nises?

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It's the same theme song and you're about to put this out right now.

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And then sure enough, it was the same theme song.

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So I'd said to Tony, said, why don't you keep this one?

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Let me see if they can find something closer as we're getting closer.

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So I'm talking to the dude.

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I'm like, hey, listen, I don't want anything like you gave super crazy.

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I don't want any Mexicools.

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In fact, I'm not Mexican.

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It's no offense to Mexicans.

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I'm not Mexican.

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We don't need that.

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not even offensive though.

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It's like, hey, that doesn't represent my background.

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they ended up giving me something that was I.

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wasn't like, it ended up being like a super crazy-esque like thing.

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And I'm just like, this isn't me.

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And it made me want to run to the ring.

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Like I didn't even want to like stand there and like have this music play.

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So then, you know, once we got to the main roster, I actually, I think that song was

called Gold Rush.

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And then,

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And real quick, let me, let me pause you for a sec before you go through, cause you

brought up Tony Nese.

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And when he had originally gone, you know, to the Indies and then to AEW, the first theme

that he had used there was one that I had put together for him.

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And he had a similar story with that.

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goes, yeah, the theme that he really had given to WWE or like the reference track was

something by a band called Atreyu.

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And if you listen to the premier athlete, which was a theme I had worked on with him.

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It's very much in line with what he had given WWE and that was my reference for it.

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but I remember he was just like, yeah, I gave that to them.

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And then they gave me something that was completely in a, like a different tempo and same

thing.

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He was just like, it made me want to feel like I had to run to the ring.

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was like, it was in the same key, but like in terms of like my pacing, felt a little bit

different.

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I'm sorry to cut you off, but you mentioned Tony Deese.

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And so I know exactly the theme you're talking about.

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Yeah.

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frustrating because like we're being very specific and these people are getting paid a lot

of money to create something and they're just like, we'll just find something or just

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create something quick.

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Was this a theme that was made for you or was it something where they had like a library

and they were like, all right, cool.

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Got it.

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they just like recycled it.

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then later on we ended up adopting the Lucha Lucha song from Kalisto, which kind of made

sense because we were the group.

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That was my idea, but it didn't translate to what I wanted to do.

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So then when Kalisto left, the very first thing that we said was like, hey, we don't want

the Lucha Lucha.

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Like we want our own theme.

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had a, dude, I had in Premiere Pro and After Effects made this like.

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awesome entrance that I gave to them.

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said, this is exactly what we need to be.

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Like, you know, I just need you guys to create the theme song similar to this and nothing.

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Like they did it, but then like it was not what we wanted.

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And it was like another thing.

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Like I just felt like I had to run to the ring and I was just like not happy about it.

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I kept telling them, like, yo, we bring the energy, but we don't need to be energy the

whole time.

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Like it's, it's cool to like, you know,

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If we bring the energy, we never are able to have a switch.

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But if we're in there, like, cool, calm, collect it, and then somebody grabs our mouse or

whatever, now we're able to get mad.

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But how can I get mad if I'm just so jolly all the time?

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It doesn't work that way in the real life.

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So that's when, once I left, I asked for my release.

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And once I left, that first song, dude, by Nekro, Head Split, it just hit me so hard

because

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One, was like, that's how I felt all the time.

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Not that I'm an angry person, but I don't want problems, but I don't mind problems either.

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I don't look for them.

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But some reason they look for me and I'm like, all right, well, I guess we got to do what

we got to do.

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It makes me, you And that song just put me in the temple where I'm just walking and I'm

just like, okay, I'm vibing for this.

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I'm head bopping, like boom, boom.

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And it was like something about that bass and that piano.

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I love the piano and the violin.

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I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.

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I love it.

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I just like the way it sounds.

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It sounds hard but elegant at the same time.

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And I was like, I'm hard and elegant at the same time.

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Like that's me.

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But obviously, you know, knowing me being a businessman, I was like, well, if I get to go

and do these...

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Shows outside of WWE who have like TV or copyright.

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They're most likely not gonna play my entrance now I want to make sure that my entrance

gets played I want to make sure that everybody can use my music whether it's TNA or or AEW

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at which I did right and You know, I was it super important for me that that was the theme

and Going back to what we were saying like yeah, I don't Russell

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like everybody else in the Lucha Libre community.

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So that also means I should come out different.

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And the music is very different.

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A lot of people, like, I always tell people that I'm like the Pink Panther and the most

interesting man in Lucha Libre.

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So there's a lot to be desired.

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There's a lot to be uncovered.

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There's a lot that you know, but there's a lot that you don't know that now you're so

captivated that you have to watch.

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And I love when my music hits and you hear the cough and like Lucha lit.

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And

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Yeah.

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is the most important part of my match, because it's my shine.

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I want to make sure that I look like a superstar.

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So I get the cameraman, and I make sure that they get all these angles that I want.

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And then get with the announcer, because there's a whole script that I have them read to

introduce me before I even get in the ring.

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So that

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with Miranda one time, like literally you were walking out, you were doing all the poses

and she was just walking in step right behind you to saying this thing.

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they get it, they love it, they get the pageantry that comes with it, you know?

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And it's supposed to be fun, and you look at this character coming out in a cat mask and a

robe, you're like, that's a cool dude.

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And then you see him in the ring, you take his robe off, like, that guy kind of looks

legit.

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And then the way that I move and strike, people are like, I don't know if this guy is

actually wrestling, he might be fighting this dude, which is a great compliment, you know?

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Because they think whatever we're doing in the ring.

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is legit, mean, you know, it is legit, but like, now it looks like I have intentions to

hurt, which I don't.

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But my music, man, like really puts, I always said it to people when you watch any other

interview, I said, my music puts me in the right state of mind.

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I know what bar to go out to.

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I'm not in a rush.

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I always tell people now, like, don't rush me.

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You I even came to you, I said, hey bro, I need it longer.

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I need you to double it, like a minute and 24 or whatever it was, it's like not cutting

it.

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I said, by the time they,

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get through the first part of my intro that, you know, we're recycling it.

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So that's why I had, you know, four minutes and like 34 seconds that I'm okay taking that

time away from my match for the people to see my entrance, hear the music vibe out.

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Because again, I'm not bringing a pro wrestling experience to, you know, any show.

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I'm bringing the Lucha Lit experience to the show.

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it's an act that you're gonna...

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and it starts with the music, you know?

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And it's important because you're seeing yourself as the overall product, you're seeing

yourself as the brand and everything that you do from the time that the music hits to you

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getting back out of the ring.

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All of that is all part of your presentation.

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And the fact that there's one part that you and I had gotten back and forth with a bunch

of times and it was that intro, it was that cough.

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And I remember I had told you, was like, so, you know, since you're doing TV, I don't know

if it's something that you should have in there.

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Hmm.

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something that we can have two versions, one with, one without.

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And the message I think literally says the cough is staying.

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I'm like, all right, cool.

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yeah.

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that I ever got was from TNA and it wasn't even an issue of the cough.

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They were just worried about, because I had gave them the intro.

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I gave Dave Penser the intro.

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said, hey, I just want you to say 2010 and 2011, Mr.

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Puss in Boots.

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And he looked at me and walked away for like two hours and he was like, hey, man, I didn't

see anything about no Puss in Boots.

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I can't find anything on the internet.

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I'm like, no, it's a fake up, fucking made up thing, man.

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Come on.

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But when it came to the cough,

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The only issue was that we were running out of time when it came to the match.

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So they were like, where can we save time at?

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And I said, you know what?

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Just take the cough out and just make sure that my music is like, like I actually have

some music, like my music.

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Don't give me no generic, I won't come out.

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I told them straight up, said, I won't come out.

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I won't like thank you for your money, but I won't come out.

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Like I'm okay.

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Like I'm not a mark for money.

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I'm not a mark for like matches.

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I'm a mark for my brand.

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Like you said earlier, like I want to make sure that my brand is always represented

correctly and you know, right.

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And so far, I mean like A.W.

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and TNA has hooked it up to like honoring, having my music on the program, which is great.

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But I never really ever had any other issues.

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know, nobody ever said anything.

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But like I said, if

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TNA and AEW were able to use it without any issues.

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Everybody else should be able to.

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Yeah.

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And I remember on Twitter, someone had mentioned it.

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Someone was just like, that cough is gold.

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And they tagged Mikey, Mikey Ruckus over at AEW.

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goes, that was John.

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And I literally posted, I was just like, yeah, Lince and I went back and forth in that for

a while.

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And you know, it's just, it's the best to see it.

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And you were just like, I know who I am,

363

Yeah, I'm very stubborn, man.

364

I'm very stubborn.

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know I can be like, I just know what I want and I'd rather go down on my own shield, you

know, like on my back and with my shield rather.

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Like if it sucked, I'd rather it be my fault than your fault or somebody else's fault.

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I'd know that my idea works or is working rather than like, because I've taken so much

advice, good and bad from

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people who've made a lot of money and people who've made no money.

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And at the end of the day, I'm the only one that's gonna back myself.

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I'm the only one that's gonna be there and be like, hey, that was a good idea or hey, that

was a bad idea.

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Because at the end of the day, like I said, I'm the only one that I respect my opinion.

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I do respect everybody else's opinion, but I wouldn't put people in certain situations or

places in my life if I didn't respect their opinion.

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But sometimes I just have to go with my gut feeling and...

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I think that gut feeling was like, God, keep it.

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It's my El Generico, meow, meow, meow mix.

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Ole, ole, like it's my, it's the hook, you know?

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yeah.

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And it sets the tone and everything too.

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And like you said, with entrance music, it's that's what it's supposed to do.

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It's supposed to set the tone for who you are.

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And you mentioned something that I want to bring up again here.

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You had mentioned that when you hear your music, it puts you in a mind frame, it puts you

in a state of mind.

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So it's not even just about your brand.

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It's also what it does for you.

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And that's something that before you even go out the curtain, we talk about what we want

the people to see.

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But another important part of it is what does it do to you?

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And when you think about

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Golden Rush and you think about the you think about Lucha lit and you think about all

these themes that you've had How do these themes affect you backstage or in gorilla before

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you even go to the ring?

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Yeah, well, all the songs that I've had before Lucha Lit, I honestly felt no different

from when I was talking about the match to when I went out.

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I always felt like I was in the motions mode.

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Like the music never changed me and never put me in the right state of mind, like I like

to say.

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And then it was because it wasn't me, you know, it wasn't my music.

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It wasn't the one that got me to the level.

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in the right state of mind that I need to be to wrestle.

396

Like sometimes in wrestling you need to be relaxed, but sometimes you need to be

aggressive.

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like I'm naturally an aggressive person.

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I'm very calm, like I'm down.

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You know what saying?

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I'm down, always down.

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Like say the word, I'm down.

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Like I look forward to it, but that music never got me to that point.

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That music got me to like, hey, I'm happy to be here.

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And I'm like, am I really happy to be here?

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Like I am happy to be here, but like I'm...

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I wanna be here for long time and that wasn't gonna get me there.

407

And then when I heard the original theme song that we changed by Necro, that got me to the

point where I wanted to kill somebody in a good way, like in a wrestling way.

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wanted, yeah, right?

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I wanted to bring that aggressiveness out so that way, one, I wasn't worried about what I

was doing, but two, I wanted to look like an ass kicker.

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I wanted to look like an ass kicker.

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I actually used that same song by Necro at all my jujitsu contests to listen before I went

out and it wasn't like, I'm gonna go out there and kill this guy, but I'm gonna go out

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there and not get killed.

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So there's a mindset to that level of primal instinct of just being there, man.

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Just being there and ready.

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And that song literally, that song gets me to the mindset of like,

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I'm now treating this no longer as a professional wrestling match, but as a fight.

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And that's what I feel like we've gotten away with in wrestling is like making it real,

making it look real, making it look like somebody's in jeopardy.

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like, I don't sell motion, you know, I sell emotion.

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At the end of the day, that's, it starts with the entrance and the theme song.

420

So got me in the right state of mind.

421

Now for you with that Necro song, is that music that even outside of wrestling inspires

you and kind of gets you going?

422

Because like you said, I think that a lot of people think of the music that they love and

they start there as opposed to just thinking of the character side.

423

But let's kind of take it into a different direction in terms of just music that you grew

up with, music that you love and music that kind of gets you going.

424

What are some of those artists that you always go to and what are some of the musicians

that you listen to?

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And you're just like, you know what?

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That's it.

427

They get me and this is totally about me.

428

I'm not gonna lie, I'm like culturally illiterate when it comes to music.

429

I grew up in Camden right outside Philadelphia.

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So a lot of the music that I heard besides like, know, WWE, WCW, when I went to ECW when I

was younger and I heard now I know like Pantera and all these other guys, I thought those

431

were wrestling theme songs.

432

Never like, let me look this up.

433

Cause remember too, the internet wasn't crazy back then.

434

You had to download it illegally if you were trying to listen to music.

435

YouTube wasn't around, Apple music wasn't around.

436

So a lot of these songs I legit thought were theme songs from wrestling, and then Guitar

Hero and Rock Band came out.

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And that was like what, early 2000s or some shit like that.

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And when I realized, I was like, wait.

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That's not Tommy Dreamer's thing, it?

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And they're like, yeah, it's Tommy Dreamer, but it's an actual band that plays them.

441

Because growing up, again, I'm Puerto Rican, so growing up, not only, I listened to lot of

rap, because I'm from the hood, and then lot of salsa reggaeton, a lot of Latino music.

442

So I wasn't introduced to a lot of the culture until very late in my life.

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I'm talking high school, college, super late.

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Some of those music, man, like I said, I could have sworn they were wrestling theme songs.

445

So now going back, I actually never heard of Necro until I left WWE.

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Like I'm sure I've heard a song or whatever, but it never was on my playlist until I

started like going down this rabbit hole of like songs that I was like, man, need to find

447

a head bumping song.

448

I need to find a new song at the gym.

449

I need like something new.

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And that song popped up and then all of these other things started popping up.

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I was just like, my gosh, like what?

452

How am I so culturally literate being in my 30s?

453

Well, it's because I'm obsessed with wrestling and I'm obsessed with my family.

454

I'm obsessed with so many other things I don't really sit down and enjoy just sitting

there like, that's a good song, you know what saying?

455

But now, I guess it really just depends on my mood.

456

Whatever frequency I'm running that day depends on what I'm doing, whether I'm making gear

or if I'm gonna go work out.

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or go run errands, it really just depends.

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I don't mind, I like all music.

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I like black, white, country, I like everything.

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I'm not gonna sit here and say, this song is better than the other, because every song is

different and every genre is different, every genre, and every song was written for a

461

different purpose.

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You just have to enjoy it, just like wrestling.

463

You just have to enjoy it, whatever's there.

464

So right now on my playlist, you'll get stuff from the 70s, the 80s.

465

all the way to the 90s.

466

I don't really have a lot of like 2000 songs that I listen to now.

467

Most of the stuff that I'd be listening to is more back in the day, I guess.

468

But now I just like also to just try to be more positive, like listen to songs I like

uplifting and like move me.

469

Because I know the slower the song, the less I'm going to want to move.

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know that for sure.

471

Yeah.

472

And it's so true too, though, like the different things that you do in a day or the

different, the different bodies you represent in a day, right?

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They're all going to have different things that you do.

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If you're just in the mode of it, you gotta have something that keeps you going.

475

It's funny though that you talked about Pantera because obviously we all know Rob Van

Dam's theme was Pantera in ECW.

476

And, you know, it's funny to me because when I started getting into doing the wrestling

themes, excuse me, when I had gotten into doing the wrestling themes, it became a whole

477

thing of like,

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Wow, there's all of this music that people love and it's like, where do we even start?

479

And for me, I come from a background of just listening to lots of music, but for me,

mostly is like heavy metal, hard rock, those kinds of things.

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And so for me, starting to figure out different styles and, know, even have something like

Necro, it's like, all right, cool.

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Can I do that?

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Yeah.

483

But like, I don't want to just do something that's a rip.

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want to do something that's really in the vein, really in the style.

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And, but if I'm in the studio.

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I'm listening to references doing that.

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I'm just driving and I'm trying to figure out, okay, cool.

488

I'm going to pick up my son or whatever.

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And it's like 10 minutes.

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I'll put on probably some heavier stuff or whatnot, just something there.

491

If I'm working, it's all lo-fi.

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it's like, it's like you said, depending on what you're doing in the day and being a dad

too, that's when like those like real emotional country songs start hitting you.

493

The ones where they're just like, Hey, they're riding a bike and then they're out the door

and you're just like, damn it.

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Come back!

495

I tell my kids, like I said, my daughter just turned 18.

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I said, you can live here forever.

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You I don't really care.

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And then, but I know she's already at that point where she likes to go out and do this.

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I'm like, I can't say no anymore, I guess, right?

500

Make sure your room is clean, damn it.

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But yeah, that's, it's music right now for me at least has definitely, cause I know I like

talk a lot in my head to myself.

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So like a lot of times I need distraction from having a conversation with myself.

503

So I'll put on some music.

504

But honestly too, I like having some songs that don't have words.

505

Like there's a lot of, like Bruce Faulkner, I think that's his name.

506

He does a lot of the Dragon Ball Z music, but he's got an album where I felt like every

song did not have words, but every song told a story.

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And I'm just like, God dang.

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Like, yeah, it just, it just like hit hard.

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And I was like, I like that.

510

And

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I like reggae.

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I do like reggae.

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I like just mellowing out.

514

Like I said, I feel as if I'm a very high strung, I'm very like go, go, go, especially in

my head.

515

So anything that can calm me, me at a lower frequency just for a little bit, because I

definitely function at a very high frequency.

516

And when I crash, man, I crash.

517

Yup.

518

You're basically just like days over couch.

519

That's it.

520

Totally.

521

I'm, I'm the same.

522

Yeah.

523

And I think that kind of tying it back into the themes and stuff too, I get a lot of

wrestlers asking me for lyrics, which is great.

524

I can do them.

525

I bring in vocalists.

526

Sometimes I do the words on my own too, but I always ask them, go, when you have lyrics in

your song, you have to understand that now that we're in this age where everything is

527

streaming and there's more announcers and

528

The announcers do a great job nowadays in every promotion of putting you guys over.

529

I think that sometimes the lyrics get in the way because then what's happening is for the

people in attendance, you can go ahead and you can have them hopefully understand the

530

lyrics through the speakers and what's going on.

531

But a lot of the times lyrics can get in the way of what the announcers are trying to do.

532

have these two voices talking back at the same time and it kind of speaks to what you're

talking about is

533

Sometimes you don't need vocals.

534

You don't need lyrics in order to get the message across.

535

You can have these awesome songs that are instrumental and still sell the narrative that

you're trying to, or put you in that mood that you got to.

536

Like even with your, with your theme right now, we don't have lyrics outside of like the

intro words that you have, even in the redone version, which you've started using recently

537

too.

538

Yeah, I think,

539

Talk to you.

540

Yeah, I think sometimes too, having lyrics in your theme song, you're compensating for

something else.

541

You're almost not confident in your character or your presentation isn't as well thought

out that you're trying to use lyrics to enhance when it's actually, yeah, like you said,

542

more confusing because if I have to sit in the audience and I have 30 seconds to think,

who are you?

543

What are you about?

544

Are you a good guy or bad guy?

545

And I'm listening to theme, like some lyrics that don't match it, then you're confusing

the audience.

546

know, you're very, very much like confusing the audience to now makes your matches harder

for them to digest because then now they're not only having to watch, but like think about

547

how your music related to you and how the lyrics, it's just a lot of distractions when it

comes to what you're actually trying to portray, which is enhancing.

548

your overall aura of your presentation when you come out.

549

And I know I had some people ask me, like, you should dub over.

550

Because I actually had somebody else made me a theme song before you.

551

And I gave them the same Cliff Notes.

552

And when I got back the first draft, it was not anywhere near I wanted.

553

And I said, hey, bro, do you think you can find a beat like this?

554

And he was like, no.

555

And I was like, all right, well.

556

I'm gonna pull the trigger on I'm gonna pull the plug on this because I'm not going to pay

for something that I Not happy with like it's not what I want like you said that you could

557

do this for me And when I'm getting this lyric back doesn't fit me and then in fact and

not only him but like a lot of other guys that I was trying to go to a lot of their stuff

558

always sounded the same from one person to the other and I'm like, you know what?

559

need somebody who can start from scratch scratch and who can actually take the notes that

I have

560

and create them, because that's what I'm paying for.

561

I hate that I pay people things.

562

For example, when I make gear for me, it's great.

563

But when I ask somebody else to make it, because I'm in a rush or whatever, it's always

bad.

564

It's always bad.

565

And it's not even kind of good.

566

It's always bad.

567

I'm so disappointed in myself.

568

I'm like, bro, I just gave you these specific points for a specific reason.

569

I don't need you to put your spin on it.

570

Now, in our case, you didn't.

571

You did exactly what I asked.

572

And there was even a mess up in the key or the tone or something.

573

And I was like, hey, I think I like it.

574

I think we should keep that.

575

And you're like, are you sure?

576

I'm like, yeah, keep that.

577

think stuff like that, like happy mistakes are great.

578

But when it's something so different, like for example too, I used to have a guy make my

mask and I was like, do not change anything.

579

Don't change the size, don't change the template.

580

Everything has to be the exact same.

581

Every mask was different.

582

So I fired him and I was like, you know what?

583

I'm gonna make my mask.

584

And I did that.

585

Or they would like change,

586

one little thing and I put their flavor on it.

587

My bro, this isn't, you know, Jenny Craig.

588

you got to, this is my food.

589

that, you know what saying?

590

So same thing with the music.

591

Like, like I said, when it came to you, it was super easy.

592

You know, I think we, knocked it out.

593

I think within a week-ish, if not like after like two or three drafts.

594

And I think most of that, I think the first thing that you sent me was like a hit.

595

And I was just like, can we just.

596

I just want this to be louder.

597

I think it was either the bass or the piano.

598

Like I said, I wanted to make sure that people heard.

599

Because I don't really hear a lot of that in music today.

600

So that was already going to help me stand out.

601

And then I think when we gave the, I think that was like a little bit loud, but in a good

way for me.

602

I like, I think I like that.

603

And that was our keep.

604

So our process was super easy.

605

I was super happy with it.

606

Literally that same week, I ended up using it.

607

A couple months later, I was like, man, I need a slower version.

608

It was already slow.

609

I was like, I need a slower and more darker.

610

Because I knew eventually I was gonna turn a bad guy in a couple places and I didn't wanna

have the same theme, but I wanted to have the same theme.

611

So I wanted people to have that familiarity, but at the same time, they get it when they

see it.

612

Yeah, that guy's a lucha guy, but this music tells me that he's a little bit rough and

rugged and maybe a little bit bad.

613

I'm all about it though, so.

614

Totally.

615

And I mean, the thing is there's so many tie-ins that if you listen to the new version and

the original version that we did, there's a lot of tie-ins, a lot of it is similar, but in

616

the darker version, there's a couple of like little additional things.

617

If you listen to them, you'll pick them out.

618

But it's funny too that you mentioned that because for me, I've always considered myself a

composer.

619

And I think that there is a bit of a difference sometimes between someone being a producer

and being a composer.

620

And

621

Nowadays there is a little bit of kind of crossover depending on that.

622

But you know, I've always looked at someone like a Mikey Ruckus or a Jim Johnston and been

like, these guys get it.

623

These guys really understand that it's not just about making a beat.

624

It's about coming up with something completely original.

625

And that's not to put anybody down at all.

626

It's just when you're in this line of work, you got to think of each wrestler as a movie

or as a TV show.

627

And you got to think of.

628

how to score that piece of it.

629

And I remember that, like you said, there were some of those happy accidents that we

walked into.

630

And as a composer and someone in music, you tend to get to those points where you could

overdo something.

631

And one thing that I've always tried to do is try to be a little bit simpler upfront.

632

Cause taking a theme like yours, there are so many things, so many layers, so many extra

guitar things, so many extra sounds that we could add.

633

But the thing is, does it add to the music?

634

Or is it just kind of like, okay, cool, because it's in this key, I could do this or we

could do this or we can do this.

635

I think, you know, when you really think about what serves the talent and what serves the

music.

636

Those are your answers right there.

637

Music should always be the vehicle for what you're looking to do.

638

But for you guys, the wrestler and the story has to be exactly where that goes.

639

And, you know, you had mentioned also about your gear.

640

You're just generally a creative person.

641

Like you do.

642

gear for other people, you do your own gear, you do your logos.

643

You bring in other people to do things, but do you feel that you became even more creative

and more self-creative through necessity?

644

Or were you always just someone that was like, okay, cool, I can have all these skills, I

can do them, so I'll just do them on my own and source it out when I need to?

645

First of all, shout out to my boy Eddie Pozos.

646

That's one of my business partners.

647

actually, during COVID, this dude helped me get into Adobe, get into Premiere Pro,

literally stepped my game up when it came to my graphic design and stuff like that.

648

Because I've always been, since 2006, my first set of gear ever was given to me.

649

I had to pay for it, but it was given to me.

650

And then the second set, I had to go out and find it.

651

And at that time I was 16, 17 and somebody was trying to charge me like 700 bucks.

652

And I was like, bro, I'm from the hood.

653

I ain't got 700 bucks.

654

So I took 500 of that and I bought a sewing machine and some fabric and I made my own

gear.

655

Was it great?

656

No, but I was able to do it.

657

And ever since that moment, I was like, you know what?

658

I can make my own shirts.

659

I can make my own this and that.

660

And I've always been super creative and independent when it came to that.

661

Because at the end of the day, and we talked about this before too,

662

I could outsource it to other people, but it's always, always a disappointment.

663

So instead of being disappointed and saving or spending money, I would rather learn this

skill and do it myself 100%.

664

Whenever I want, I don't have to worry about somebody else's time.

665

I don't have to worry about if they're gonna do it right.

666

I know it's gonna be done right because I'm gonna do it.

667

I would trust, there's a very small group of creative content creators that I would.

668

trust to like, hey man, I need this in a day.

669

Like, could we, you know, help me out or like, you know, do something with me.

670

And very few people that I would trust to do that.

671

But now for the most part, yeah, I make my own mass.

672

make everything is very much in-house.

673

I would have done the music if I could play an instrument, I, that's the only, that and

basketball are the only two things in my life that I've tried and I suck at, dude.

674

I'm just like.

675

either.

676

My wife kicks my ass every time when it comes to basketball.

677

but I can't shoot because I can't see more than five feet in front of me.

678

So it's like I'm a little shorter than most basketball players.

679

So I'm going to get blocked every time.

680

It's not fun.

681

then instruments, I'm just like not I don't have the right ear for it.

682

Like I I love the music that comes out.

683

I just cannot play it.

684

I just don't understand how they baffles me.

685

Since elementary school, I've been trying and could not play an instrument to save my

life.

686

I envy.

687

all my kids or anybody who plays an instrument.

688

But I've been very, okay, so I played, I picked up a ukulele for a little bit when I was a

teacher, because one of my coworkers, he's from the island too, but and he loves playing

689

the ukulele.

690

And I was like, man, how hard can it be?

691

Actually it's hard dog.

692

I can play like maybe one song, but it's not good.

693

I just don't have, like I said, the ear for it, or I see and hear the final piece already.

694

And I'm just like, how do I, I can't produce that for some reason.

695

So I get frustrated and I,

696

just like I'd rather not get frustrated.

697

But yeah, I'm very much very independent right now when it comes to my gear, even my

clothing, shoes I've made.

698

I make my own sneakers sometimes now.

699

I just, again, I'm very frugal, man.

700

And it's not, if you're in wrestling, it's not about spending money, it's about saving

money.

701

And if I can save it by doing it, I'd rather just do it myself.

702

And I actually like to when people...

703

Like would you get that or who did that for you?

704

And I was like, I did it and they're like, man, can you do something for me?

705

And I'm like, no, can't like That was my issue before to I would people would always ask

because I make these tracks and stuff and I like yo We're gonna can you make me one?

706

I'm like no because then there's gonna be two fly people on the earth Like what makes me

different now if you have it like it just doesn't And that's my always thing like always

707

just being different sounding different looking different being different

708

and very independent when it comes to stuff like that.

709

That being said though, you have also made gear for people like Bailey and things like

that.

710

Probably people that you're close with and you resonate with, but it's cool to see that

you've taken these skills and you know, when you choose to, you can also parlay them into

711

other people as well.

712

Yeah.

713

I have, know, wrestling, whatever in wrestling, wrestling is my job, you know, whether

it's wrestling, training, making gear, selling merch, whatever, it's part of my job.

714

So, but I do value my time very much.

715

Like I want to spend my time with my family and doing the things I want to do, not what

other people want me to do.

716

So when it comes to that, like, you know, I always tell people you're paying

717

For the gear you're paying for my time.

718

So sometimes it's a lot higher than you know, most people but I also One will make sure

that you get it in time.

719

Make sure that it shows up Fitting a hundred percent, correct.

720

I actually just sent something out that I told the people I'm like, you have 30 days like

most people wouldn't even give you You know a time frame, but yeah, you have 30 days if

721

you want anything fixed or whatever But after that you're on your own.

722

So I For me to whatever I put out there.

723

That's my art

724

So I just want to make sure that my art is also being represented.

725

And my art doesn't just go on everybody.

726

I'm not a gear maker who will take everybody's gear or their money.

727

In fact, I only take about four or five projects a month.

728

Some of them are returning.

729

Some of them are not returning.

730

But I don't answer.

731

I answer everybody who hits me up in the DMs.

732

But I don't take on new clients every month.

733

It's just not.

734

I have other things in my life personally that I would rather do with my family than just

sit behind the sewing machine and, you know, I need to worry about my career, not somebody

735

else's.

736

So if it works out where I have time, then yeah, I'll do it.

737

But if not, it's not that big of a deal for me to say no.

738

Like for my people, like Bailey and all the other cats, you know, I'd work for high level

people, people on the Indies, it doesn't matter.

739

It's just...

740

One, how you are to me and two, do I have the time and three, do you have the money?

741

You know what saying?

742

Now, here's a question too, when you do parlay this into other people, do you ever add

like little Easter eggs in there too?

743

That it's like, you know, you would know that this is my work if you looked for this.

744

Yeah, okay, like everybody has their own style.

745

So there's two things I started doing that I think other people started biting off of me.

746

So I made my own tag, but I call them seasons, like kind of like fashion seasons, right?

747

So right now we're in season three, all the tags are different.

748

So you'll know which tag is, know, which person is what, or what season they came out of.

749

And then also too, for me personally, I always ask them kind of like similar how our

conversation was like, hey, tell me about yourself.

750

You know, do you have any cats or whatever?

751

For example, Bailey had asked for some gear in Mexico.

752

She wanted to do some Day of the Dead thing.

753

I was like, that's cool, yeah, I like that, we'll hook it up.

754

But on her gear, she never gave me a concept.

755

So was like, all right, cool, I'm gonna riff this and make it fun, make it cool.

756

I knew she had two cats, so I made two small cats in the sugar skull style and put them on

her waistband.

757

And I didn't tell her about it.

758

I didn't say anything about it.

759

I never tell anybody about.

760

the Easter eggs like that's what the Easter eggs are for.

761

So when she got them, she was like, dude, these two cats are dope.

762

I got two cats at my house.

763

I'm like, yeah, that's what, you know, I, that's why I put them there to now you'll

remember your two cats instead of worrying about like, is my match going to be good or

764

not?

765

Like, no, just look at the cats and have fun and realize even my old gear in WWE.

766

I had a, at the time I had four kids.

767

Now I have six because I have twins.

768

But I had four.

769

Thank you.

770

Thank you.

771

I had four cats.

772

Cat heads on my tights and they were small but like kind of like bread hearts hearts they

were representing my kids and They're all my action figure.

773

It's pretty cool to like see stuff like that But for other people yeah, I'll put you know,

the tag definitely helps know that it's me but also Whatever Easter egg and I don't ever

774

post about it either because it's just for them, you If they want to post about it, they

can I think Bailey I think she did but for the most part.

775

Yeah, it's just for the consumer

776

the customer and just try to have a...

777

It's art that you're wearing.

778

You're not wearing gear.

779

You're wearing art.

780

So as long as you feel good and look like art, that's all that matters to me.

781

Yeah, and every now and again, if you listen to some of the themes that I've done, every

now and again, you'll hear a little Easter egg there too.

782

Sometimes it'll be a little quip from something maybe, or like what we call in music and

when you improvise, like a little quote from something else, know, like maybe like a few

783

notes from something.

784

One thing when it came to a friend of mine, Mercedes Martinez, we've done a couple themes

together over the couple of years.

785

And whether she was working with Diamante and the No Pas one, whether it was her other

themes that we had worked on.

786

There's something I've started calling the Mercedes theme.

787

And if you listen to all three themes kind of together or separate, but you kind of listen

to the little theme that's in there, it goes through all of them.

788

And, there have even been times before she's like, I like it and I can understand it.

789

But again, someone who's necessarily not like musical, but they kind of catch the little

things.

790

so, so long as everything else works and really fits that vision, there are those little

pieces where you can hear in her theme.

791

Okay, cool.

792

This is the one that's gone from when she went to TNA Impact.

793

Then went to AEW and had this, then all of a sudden, okay, cool.

794

We parlayed this into the Diamante Mercedes theme, Nopaz.

795

And you hear these little things just like carry over between them.

796

And it's just, it adds a little bit of an extra through line.

797

So it's like in any of these creative things, you can always add these little Easter eggs

based on the people.

798

It's a, it's fun.

799

And if you're in that creative space, it gives you the ability to just go, Hey, here's

something that even resonates a little bit more or.

800

It doesn't have to resonate to the whole audience, like you said, with the cats for

Bailey.

801

It just has to hit her.

802

And that's what's important, yeah.

803

Yeah, because then once they it's funny, man, because like once you ever put on a set of

gear or listen to a song, you really do change like your mindset, your state of mind does

804

change.

805

And, you know, sometimes you get here a song, like I said earlier, and just makes you want

to run to the ring rather than be in the moment.

806

And then sometimes it's like, man, look at my look at the song.

807

I'm vibing out.

808

Look at my gear.

809

I cool, man.

810

Like, I'm cool.

811

I'm happy to be here.

812

I'm present.

813

Right?

814

Some songs make you feel present and then like some songs just make you feel like I want

to get the hell out of here, man.

815

Like, but and a lot of my theme songs in WWE made me feel like that.

816

And I get it.

817

Like WWE is not a wrestling company.

818

It's a movie company.

819

But if that's my trailer, that trailer sucks.

820

You know what I'm saying?

821

Like, give me a better trailer, man, than that, because the audience ain't going to buy

this ticket to go see this.

822

You know what saying?

823

they did.

824

They did and they still do and that's testament to what you're doing.

825

Yeah, you know, it's true.

826

like you said, like it's not I'm putting my efforts now into myself, the brand, and very

much protecting that.

827

And I always tell people, especially like promoters, I'm like, you know.

828

you're not going to bring me in to devalue my brand, but I am going to come in to help

elevate your company.

829

So we have to find some kind of compromise.

830

You know what I'm saying?

831

that was like one of the things that happened in TNA, nothing bad, but, I came in as a,

you know, an extra, but they, they, they brought me in, you know?

832

and basically just asked to compromise my brand twice.

833

And I was like, I'll do it once.

834

but not twice and they were super respectful about it.

835

And they understood like, this guy, like when I said the word brand, their minds like open

up like, this guy's not a wrestler.

836

Like he's a businessman.

837

And, you know, when I gave them the whole presentation, the music, the intro, the pictures

are like, whoa, this guy got it all.

838

Like, no, the brands got it all.

839

Cause I've thought about the brand, you know, from the music to the, it looks.

840

So.

841

Even the branding, when you get things mailed to you, remember when you sent me the, the

mask for my son and my son still has it in his room.

842

And I thank you for that.

843

I had the packaging that it was in.

844

It wasn't just like a FedEx box.

845

was literally just like everything was branded.

846

don't know which one I gave you.

847

You might have like season one.

848

Was it this one?

849

No, no, no, was the one before that then.

850

Yeah, it was probably season one.

851

Yeah.

852

but now, like I said, like everything has, it's a brand, man.

853

Like, you know, here's me selling, people like it, Lucha threads.

854

It's art.

855

You're buying art.

856

You're not just buying, like I said, you're buying art in time.

857

You're buying my time, but you're buying my art too.

858

So I just want to make sure that, you know, it's again, the whole aesthetic of the

experience that you get, whether it's working with me outside of the ring or working with

859

me in the ring.

860

I just want to make sure that everybody understands like when they see this logo or they

see this mask, they know exactly who it is.

861

know, even all my videos right now, a lot of the videos on my Instagram and Twitch,

they're just my theme song.

862

I'm just educating people to like, you, you hear this theme song, it's me, you know?

863

I don't mind overplaying it over and over again.

864

Like nobody's ever said, like, why do you keep using that same thing?

865

They know, they know why they know what's up.

866

And for the most part,

867

I've had even grown men and my colleagues like, dude, that song is bumping.

868

It's on my playlist.

869

I'm like, It's on my playlist.

870

And it's not because I want to listen to it.

871

It is a really good song to get you in the right state of mind, depending on what you're

trying to do.

872

for whatever reason, it puts me and gets me in the right state of mind.

873

And I'm just super grateful that I got it in my career.

874

And I'm super grateful I got to chat with you today.

875

You know, I know you're a busy man.

876

You've got six kids.

877

You've got so many things that you're doing.

878

So I just love being able to have the opportunity to chat with you today.

879

yeah.

880

for me personally, and I'm super grateful, and I wrote this down a couple of times in the

last year and a half, the music for me was what I was missing.

881

For me to be like the complete aesthetic character of the brand.

882

And I had the music before I thought I did.

883

But, and it was, I did, but it wasn't the brand's music.

884

It was just, you know, part of the wrestling community.

885

But now I feel as if when I'm trying to sell myself to a promoter or a commercial or

something like that, and I'm able to give them a Google Drive of updated promos, a video

886

package that they could play, and then my theme song, and people are like, wow, that's so

professional, thank you so much.

887

It makes it a lot easier.

888

And now, like I said, I feel so much more confident knowing who I am.

889

in and out of that ring, that it helps me out.

890

Like the music does really help me out and I'm super grateful.

891

Just wanna say thank you,

892

Of course.

893

Yeah.

894

And I'll just put over you and I'll put over two more people for the thing that you just

said about the professionalism too.

895

There's three people that have that whole package.

896

know, and probably more of the wrestling ecosystem out there has this, but you, Leo

Sparrow and Dijak all basically have your stuff in a package.

897

You have your intros, you have your outros.

898

have, know, Leo Sparrow has a one sheet with everything too, that has all places he's got.

899

Like it's just to see people that take that part of the professionalism.

900

so much more in detail.

901

It really resonates with me as somebody who, you know, when I put things out to people,

Hey, here's my media kit.

902

Here's all of the links.

903

Here's my photos.

904

Here's the PNG versions.

905

Like it just makes it so easy for you to be like, here's the whole package.

906

And I've always told people before, if you're ever getting into this industry and you're

trying to grow your brand, always have a press kit.

907

Number one, you need to have a press kit with all your stuff.

908

There are all your links and let people know who you are.

909

Second, you'd be surprised how many people don't even read that thing.

910

And they're just like, they have a press kit.

911

They're professional.

912

Yeah.

913

know, but it's just one of those things where seeing like you and those other two being

able to have that whole presentation together.

914

You know, you're a brand, you know what you're about and being able to give that to people

so easily is just awesome.

915

Yeah.

916

people, I'm like, just drag and drop me in wherever your show needs to be in your program.

917

Here's everything that you need.

918

Here's, you know, even when they pick me up, I'm like, hey bro, I'm an adult.

919

Like if you got somebody to pick me up, I'm great.

920

Like, you know, just let me know.

921

But yeah, it just, it goes back to what I was saying earlier real quick where I was like,

it makes it a lot easier when you're professional and you have everything set up.

922

You know a promoter's gonna have to do a poster, you know he's gonna have to upload your

video, you know he's gonna do this and that.

923

So provide them with PNGs or high res photos, provide them with a link to a YouTube video

that they could play, an intro video, not just a video, just an intro.

924

And like a MP4 or a WAV file for your music, that way it's there.

925

And all they gotta do is just drag and drop, make it super easy.

926

And the more...

927

easier that you are to work with the more work you're going to get.

928

That's just like, you know, super basic.

929

I will say, even though I do send that link that has like pictures and all them, I will

get people who will post, who will go on like Google and find already an edited PNG.

930

And I tell them, I'm like, bro, I won't, I won't repost it.

931

said, you're, you're asking me to post something that's not my brand anymore.

932

Like this is an old photo.

933

Like you have to change this.

934

Like at the end of the day, if you really want me to post it because

935

At the end of the day, I'm not trying to represent that person.

936

I'm representing this person who I am.

937

So I need a little bit more consistency.

938

Especially if I'm doing the work, all you gotta do is just drag and drop, you know?

939

Absolutely.

940

Well, let's say thank you so much for making the time today.

941

Again, you're a busy dude and I just always love the chance to be having a conversation

with you.

942

So thank you so much.

943

Absolutely, bro, man, and good luck.

944

I hope you get more and more people to come on here and talk about wrestling theme songs.

945

However, I used to say Steve Blackman earlier, Steve Blackman had a bad-ass theme song.

946

Just want to say that.

947

Yeah.

948

yeah, absolutely.

949

It totally fit him, but even if it didn't, you listen to that all the time.

950

man.

951

Yeah, that's it.

952

hard.

953

And then even his video too, the way it cut in and everything.

954

mint.

955

We could have a whole podcast episode just talking about Steve Blackman.

956

do the nine.

957

We have a whole podcast just talking about every 90s theme song like just is every every

one of them was so good and really introduced every character perfectly like Jim Johnson,

958

you the man, man.

959

We got to have him on next.

960

So awesome.

961

Thank you so much.