What would you risk to build something that’s never been done, like beaming energy from orbit or launching football-field-sized data centers into space?
In this raw conversation, Cameron Herold sits down with Joe Yaffe, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer of Cowboy Space Corporation. They dig into the grit, tension, and daily chaos of scaling a $2 billion startup that’s disrupting the commercial space sector. Joe shares his path from buttoned-down law firm partner to space industry executive, revealing the secret levers behind talent acquisition, relentless execution, and leadership in a market obsessed with moonshots.
Skip this episode and you may miss the playbook for outpacing ten times bigger rivals. Listen now for a rare, inside-out look at operational leadership under real pressure. This is not the usual founder hype.
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Timestamped Highlights
00:47 – Why Cowboy Space Corporation had to kill its first name
04:51 – The phone call that forced a total company rebrand
08:44 – Turning sci-fi into reality with orbital energy grids
13:04 – Football-field-sized data centers…the inside story
18:27 – How a lawyer actually becomes a high-performing COO
20:59 – Why top-tier talent flocks to Cowboy despite fierce competition
27:58 – The unspoken rules for hiring (and keeping) world-class engineers
34:40 – The real cost of prioritizing in chaos as a second-in-command
49:17 – The advice Joe Yaffe would give his 21-year-old self
About the Guest
Joe Yaffe is the COO & CLO of Cowboy Space Corporation, a $2B commercial space startup building orbital energy grids and advanced data centers. Previously, Joe spent 31 years as an M&A and founders’ counsel at top law firms, advising Silicon Valley’s elite. Now he’s translating legal precision into operational strategy at one of the West Coast’s boldest tech companies.
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The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.
They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.
If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.
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