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Cultivating Fierce Serenity in Your Spiritual Body
Episode 5917th May 2022 • No Halos Here • Jane Stark & Jen Lang
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In this last of the series exploring Fierce Serenity through the lens of different bodies, Jen and Jane share their experience with their own unfolding spiritual practices, looking at where the spiritual body practices are connected to the physical, mental, and emotional bodies, and how they are taking an even closer look at the language around the capitalist spirituality industry, sharing where they have to apply their own Fierce Serenity to the work they do.

They also talk about how simple, day-to-day practices such as listening to the birds, being out in nature, and eating with presence and mindfulness are straightforward ways to grow your own spiritual practice. But what if each moment of your day, meal, each thing you touched, was a spiritual experience?

 

The books and resources we mentioned are listed below.

 

The next round of Fierce Serenity begins in September (although you can sign up now if you wish). Find out more/sign up here: https://www.wearejenandjane.com/fierce-serenity

 

Additional Resources/Reading:

● The Dance of the Dissident Daughter - Sue Monk Kidd

● The Artist’s Way - Julia Cameron

 

Questions for further guidance:

● But what if each moment of your day, meal, each thing you touched, was a spiritual experience?

 

Disclaimer:

On the No Halos Here Podcast, we explore a wide range of topics broadly categorized as well-being. We encourage you to do your own research and make informed choices about your health and wellbeing. The information we provide is never a substitute for qualified advice specific to your individual needs. In listening, you take full responsibility for implementing any suggestions shared on the podcast and you agree to indemnify us completely against all consequences arising directly or indirectly from your choices.

 

Disclaimer:

On the No Halos Here Podcast, we explore a wide range of topics broadly categorized as well-being. We encourage you to do your own research and make informed choices about your health and wellbeing. The information we provide is never a substitute for qualified advice specific to your individual needs. In listening, you take full responsibility for implementing any suggestions shared on the podcast and you agree to indemnify us completely against all consequences arising directly or indirectly from your choices.

About Jen and Jane

Jen Lang

Jen believes in the power and wisdom of women’s voices. She’s a guide for women who want to tune into and align their inner voice so their outer voice can shine; uniting physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual energies into a powerful voice ready to share your message.

Jane Stark

Passionate about energetic alignment and living life from a place of personal power, Jane is a heart-centered leader, certified health and life coach, and marketing strategist.  She leads others to play bigger and feel lighter by helping them see and navigate their blocks and connect more deeply with themselves.

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Jen Lang:

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conversations. Let's dive in.

Jen Lang:

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of no

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halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. And we're recording

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this on a Friday so I'm gonna wish you all happy Friday, no

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matter what day you're listening to this.

Jane Stark:

Happy Friday morning and it's sunny here. I feel like

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we talk about the weather every time

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lately, but has been exceptional weather

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is like it's the topic out here on the West

Jane Stark:

Coast. It is the topic du jour. Yeah, yeah. So anyways, we have

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some sun today. And that makes me

Jen Lang:

really happy makes me really happy. Yeah, yesterday,

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it was six degrees. And it felt like

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1am raining sideways one in May, mid May.

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Just shocking. But the F. Anyway, moving past the

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weather today we are approaching our our sort of final topic in

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this series talking about first serenity. And we're talking

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about fear serenity in the spiritual body. So we've moved

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from the physical, mental, emotional, today we're hopping

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into the spiritual space. And kind of unpacked a bit of this

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topic yesterday. Where do you want to start with this? There's

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like, there's so many things floating around out. It's like

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where do we want to like just land first, maybe with a

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spiritual practice.

Jane Stark:

Like talking about spiritual practice?

Jen Lang:

Well, talking about what a spiritual practice is,

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and can be. I think so many people. So many people think

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that they're quote, unquote, not spiritual, because they don't

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have a spiritual practice.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, you know what, let's talk about our journeys

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into what we would call our spiritual practices or

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spirituality. I think that might be an interesting kind of lead

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in because I also as reflecting on this and like what you just

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said about what it isn't isn't, I definitely have found over my

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last, however many years of this journey, it's definitely

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shifted, and I. So I think that would be really interesting to

Jane Stark:

unpack a bit. So let's start there. You want me to start with

Jane Stark:

what my journey is?

Jen Lang:

I think, yeah, start with your journey. I think you

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may have heard some of this on some of the other episodes. But

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if you're just tuning in for the first time, grab a cup of tea,

Jen Lang:

sit back, or walk, drive your car, whatever you're doing.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, and I'm not gonna go into like he said, we

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have talked about it in a few different episodes. But I think

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the Coles notes are just, for me, it really, it's, it's

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actually been interesting because for me, it actually

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started in a similar way that we've structured your serenity

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in terms of for me, it started with my physical body and my

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physical health. And then I started diving into that. And

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then that led me into sort of some of the Mental Health

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pieces. And, you know, I started doing some therapy and some

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coaching. And then the coaching led me into the emotional body.

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And I started looking more at the somatic elements, and

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working with various coaches and healers. And that then, finally

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moved me into redefining spirituality or connecting and

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finding, I think, what spirituality was for me, and it

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shifted like, I definitely, you know, went through the phase

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where it was all about the mainstream spirituality and, you

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know, okay, the essential oils really spoke to me and crystals

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and, you know, meditation and just that there was this, Jen's

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got some noisy tracks in the background. If you hear her,

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come in and out, she's trying to trying to save your ears from

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the rumbling. So, yeah, really just like Bahding buying into

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this, what I'd say mainstream spirituality movement has sort

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of emerged. And you know, I definitely went through my phase

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of that. And now I'd say, I've shifted and moved into really

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coming more into myself, and what is it actually from me, and

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what do I need? And how does that look? And it's not that any

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of those things inherently are bad or whatever, but it

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definitely was an interesting journey to kind of go Why am I

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doing things this way or why? You know, what's where King in

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what's not like, Am I just going through the motions? So what

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conclusion like Like, like, like, Yeah, I'm at that time. So

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here's the thing I look back at. And at that there's a time and a

Jane Stark:

place I had to be there, I had to go through that. And I still,

Jane Stark:

I mean, I still have essential oils, and I still I don't use

Jane Stark:

them as much as I used to. But I think that's also just there's

Jane Stark:

seasons for things. And I think that that will also, you know,

Jane Stark:

I've seen myself kind of come in and out, use some more, use them

Jane Stark:

less. Yeah, connecting in with, you know, meditation, shifting

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things. So movement has become a bigger thing for me, like

Jane Stark:

embodied movement is now something that I would say as

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part of my own spiritual practice, where it's really just

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about getting in my body.

Jen Lang:

That is for a lot of people, though, too. Because

Jen Lang:

even if you exercise, you can still be disconnected from your

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body, because you can still be quote, unquote, just going

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through the motions. And so this disengagement of when you're not

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using, or not engaging all of your senses, physical, mental,

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emotional, and spiritual, in the act of time, that's what being

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present is being fully engaged physically, mentally,

Jen Lang:

emotionally and spiritually. So if we sort of bring that

Jen Lang:

spirituality piece, I'll just sort of unpack it separately

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from the rest of those areas. If you're just going through the

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motions, then you're not getting the benefit of the actual thing

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you're practicing.

Jane Stark:

Absolutely. And I think even one of the ways that

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I tied that in is, as I moved through, for me, as I moved

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through each of those four areas, it wasn't like, Okay, now

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I'm just into the mental body, or now I'm just into the

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spiritual body, all of those other pieces, elements of them

Jane Stark:

were coming along with me. So, you know, when I was really

Jane Stark:

focused on my physical health, I did a pretty drastic lifestyle

Jane Stark:

overhaul and diet like not not diet, but like, just, I cleaned

Jane Stark:

up my diet, I really, you know, started to pay attention to what

Jane Stark:

foods my body was just not happy with and, and so that kind of

Jane Stark:

carried through, and I think that's an element of

Jane Stark:

spirituality too, right? Like, that's, again, it, it's like you

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say, for where I am now is, it's like, all of those things are

Jane Stark:

great. And if they feel, you know, if the meditation if the

Jane Stark:

music, if the journaling feels good, then that's what I need in

Jane Stark:

that moment. But I don't need to stick to some sort of, like,

Jane Stark:

some sort of image of what a spiritual person does or looks

Jane Stark:

like or, and so, but you know, like, paying attention to what

Jane Stark:

goes in my body. And that doesn't mean like, I'm not some,

Jane Stark:

like, I eat, I eat all sorts of different things, right? There's

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chocolate, there's chips, there's stuff, but it's, but

Jane Stark:

it's in moderation. And it's really connecting into care.

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What does my body want? What does my body need? And noticing,

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like, you know, when I eat high, high vegetable content, and low

Jane Stark:

sugar, I feel better. And that, to me is a part of just being

Jane Stark:

present, being aware of being like, that's the spirituality,

Jane Stark:

that's the part where it actually like allows me to just

Jane Stark:

be centered and grounded and open up.

Jen Lang:

Awesome, sorry, my secondary monitor just went

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black. Just that I was like, Oh, that's weird. I don't know

Jen Lang:

what's going on. But anyway, we'll figure it out later. Not a

Jen Lang:

big deal. Um, I love what you were saying about how, like a

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spiritual practice can be just a part of your day to day

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activities. And so I think that you choose to eat is a now it's

Jen Lang:

back. Oh, interesting. Okay, help us. A few flashing things.

Jen Lang:

I'll look into that after we finished recording, you know,

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real life recording in real time squirrel. So the, yeah, I've met

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because I do have some people in my circle who are very, I'm

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going to say, extremely disciplined about the food, the

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water, the nutrients, the supplements that they put into

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their bodies. And that is a fundamental element of their

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spiritual practice and their their whole spiritual practice.

Jen Lang:

And I'm personally like, again, it's kind of like you, do you

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there are times when absolutely I will do so little bit of light

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fasting or I will be my more mindful of what isn't isn't

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going into my body. And I sort of tie that into a whole

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experience. It might be like, Oh, I'd like to just sometimes I

Jen Lang:

just don't feel like eating sometimes I'll just have a day

Jen Lang:

where, you know, I've indulged. I've not indulged, but I you

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know, I've had heavy food the day before. Were and I was like,

Jen Lang:

Well, I'm not really hungry, I'm not going to eat, it's kind of

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following those signals. So that when I do eat the spiritual

Jen Lang:

practice piece, the being present with my food, and being

Jen Lang:

present with the the experience of eating, that's bringing a

Jen Lang:

spiritual practice into the act of eating.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, I think like you say, it's, it's, for me,

Jane Stark:

it's really become simplification and bringing it

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into the everyday bringing it into how I'm being. And

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bringing, I think being able to connect with I don't know, like,

Jane Stark:

connect with my, with, I don't want to say with my higher self,

Jane Stark:

but just with, with something bigger, something bigger than me

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and feeling that feeling that I am a part of something bigger.

Jane Stark:

And whether that's literally a walk in nature, I think nature

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is another huge element of spiritual practice or

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spirituality, that, again, like some of these things, the

Jane Stark:

interesting thing for me is, as I've started to really unpack

Jane Stark:

this more and more, like, there are many people in my life that

Jane Stark:

I think would not consider themselves spiritual, they would

Jane Stark:

not use that term, but that I look, and I'm like, they

Jane Stark:

absolutely have practices, or are, you know, you know, when we

Jane Stark:

look at our everyday life that especially like I said, getting

Jane Stark:

out into nature, like for me growing up, I never heard nature

Jane Stark:

and spirituality is a synonymous thing. And now I look and I'm

Jane Stark:

like, it's everywhere, it's everywhere. And, you know, when

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we look at what's in our need, for being in nature, our need to

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go out and like, be outside and be with the trees or go by the

Jane Stark:

water or feed on the earth. That's all just that connection

Jane Stark:

to something bigger than ourselves bigger than

Jen Lang:

ourselves. Noisy truck alert, keep talking.

Jane Stark:

So that was one of the things that I started to

Jane Stark:

really, really look at. And then this whole idea of being in the

Jane Stark:

now and the present moment. And really, I am definitely somebody

Jane Stark:

who, you know, probably has a more, more propensity to go to

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an anxious type of person, which means I'm often living in the

Jane Stark:

like future. And so that practice of really being able to

Jane Stark:

bring myself back into the now. And really just being in the

Jane Stark:

present moment. And letting go has been a really powerful piece

Jane Stark:

as well, where I would consider that like, where I've come to

Jane Stark:

now in my own journey around that is just, what can I

Jane Stark:

surrender? What can I let go of reminding myself that I'm safe.

Jane Stark:

So really stepping out of that, to come into the now just what's

Jane Stark:

here and now is all there is.

Jen Lang:

So your journey started with that physical

Jen Lang:

piece, then explored the mental mindset, anxiety and the

Jen Lang:

emotional piece sort of hand in hand with that. And then your

Jen Lang:

spiritual pieces just sort of grown naturally from approaching

Jen Lang:

each of those areas are more

Jane Stark:

structured, like practice routine got up to more

Jane Stark:

organic to more just it's part of how I live my everyday life.

Jane Stark:

So I don't necessarily have a meditation practice that I sit

Jane Stark:

down and do every day. You and I have a fairly consistent routine

Jane Stark:

where we do meditate together, but even that we don't, it's not

Jane Stark:

every day. It's most days. Yeah, Monday to Friday. But you know,

Jane Stark:

whereas at one point in my life, I did literally every morning I

Jane Stark:

sat down and I had, you know, a certain practice and I know you

Jane Stark:

you do, right? Yeah, absolutely. You do. For me, I've been a like

Jane Stark:

I've it's it started to feel restrictive. So I started to

Jane Stark:

just let it go and look at how can I bring these elements into

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my into my life

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changes. So I

Jen Lang:

you know, what, as you I would say that my spiritual

Jen Lang:

path began with actually training in my healing

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modalities, doing my first Reiki training and doing my first Body

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Talk access training. I did both of those within a two month

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period. So I was really no sort of opening those doors. And then

Jen Lang:

someone years ago, a family friend had given me these little

Jen Lang:

angel cards, single word angel things like, you know, light or

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inspiration or courage, you know, all these little just

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single word and I'd had them for a while but I hadn't always

Jen Lang:

looked at them. And so I just I would start my day with pulling

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three of those cards. And that then I started then I made a

Jen Lang:

little altar with on a little IKEA shelf A basket that I

Jen Lang:

turned upside down and put a little cloth on. And I would

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have my little angel cards there. And I would go through my

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body talk process, or I would try and sit and meditate. And

Jen Lang:

then it sort of grew and expanded. And eventually, it

Jen Lang:

really started took off when I moved overseas when I moved to

Jen Lang:

Abu Dhabi. And I was looking for some new routines to ground

Jen Lang:

myself into that location and that I didn't have a regular job

Jen Lang:

to go to I was looking for work and doing business training. And

Jen Lang:

I basically, yeah, it just grew and expanded naturally. From

Jen Lang:

there. I think I did morning pages, I read the artists way

Jen Lang:

and did morning pages, which I still miss actually, I kind of

Jen Lang:

when I do do them. I'm like, Oh, I do

Jane Stark:

it. Yes, I know it's on. But that's actually when I

Jane Stark:

haven't done and I have both the book and the journal for the

Jane Stark:

morning pages to go along with the artists way sitting in my

Jane Stark:

office. And I keep I had

Jen Lang:

the book for years before I actually opened it. So

Jen Lang:

it's it's funny, like you buy the book and it sits there. But

Jen Lang:

it really it really is a life changing book. It will you know,

Jen Lang:

and for anybody who's who's looking for sort of a new

Jen Lang:

direction or new inspiration or something completely different

Jen Lang:

it is a very beautiful process. Anyway, so as that morning pages

Jen Lang:

experience grew and then I just started through the business

Jen Lang:

development journey business personal development journey, I

Jen Lang:

started to bring in more, you know, card practices or writing,

Jen Lang:

I always kept the angel card practice, but I would add to it.

Jen Lang:

Interestingly, I bought my first tarot deck when I was 16

Jane Stark:

is the town funny when we look back,

Jen Lang:

but I never really played with that much. And I

Jen Lang:

remember doing a reading for one of my sisters friends whom she

Jen Lang:

probably would have been like 12 or 13 at the time and she's

Jen Lang:

like, wow, this is so right. This is so right on and but I

Jen Lang:

never really pursued it. So I've always had those like tendencies

Jen Lang:

and leanings I've always been drawn to, I'm gonna say

Jen Lang:

witchcraft, Wiccan practices, and part of that is sort of my

Jen Lang:

Celtic I would say my Celtic, Celtic, Western European

Jen Lang:

heritage. But now I really now interestingly, just recently,

Jen Lang:

I've been diving into much more of a Celtic druidic witchcraft

Jen Lang:

practice. I've always been interested in herbs. So I

Jen Lang:

studied herbology, briefly herbalism with a friend of mine

Jen Lang:

for a summer, so a little bit of essential oils. So it's kind of

Jen Lang:

like my, my interest into health and healing has gone hand in

Jen Lang:

hand with my spiritual practice development. And now it's just

Jen Lang:

naturally grown and developed side by side. And so that, oh,

Jen Lang:

my ears are super ringing. Right now. That's one of my things

Jen Lang:

that that's one of my signals to myself that it's I'm talking

Jen Lang:

about the right things, and I'm on the right path. And that that

Jen Lang:

is where my expansion and growth lies. Yeah.

Jane Stark:

Do you think so? It's interesting because both of

Jane Stark:

us came to this journey. Like you said, your interest in

Jane Stark:

health your and nature and herbs, and that kind of thing,

Jane Stark:

is what brought you to it for me, it was my health journey,

Jane Stark:

and my, just my, this deeper drive to heal myself physically,

Jane Stark:

which then moved into like a sale, the other layers, but

Jane Stark:

there was just this, for me there was this constant, there's

Jane Stark:

gotta be there's something more here. There's something more

Jane Stark:

here. I couldn't accept just that I was going to live in

Jane Stark:

suffering.

Jen Lang:

Yes, totally.

Jane Stark:

So but I'm curious, like, you and I have had that

Jane Stark:

experience. And that's what's drawn us to this. But not

Jane Stark:

everyone has that experience, or not? Everyone needs to be

Jane Stark:

interested in herbology and essential oils and crystals. So

Jane Stark:

for people that like, you know, maybe you're like, yeah, that

Jane Stark:

doesn't light me up. I wonder, your exam. Like, I wonder what,

Jane Stark:

it's not that those people aren't spiritual or aren't

Jane Stark:

gifted or whatnot. It's, so what is it? And how do we? I think,

Jane Stark:

like, I guess, where I'm going, and even the thoughts that are

Jane Stark:

coming in is, you know, we talk and I think this is some of the

Jane Stark:

piece I'm really just riffing right now, this is just kind of

Jane Stark:

dropping in and I'm trying to process it as it comes out. But

Jane Stark:

you know, this idea that spirituality like I say, looks a

Jane Stark:

certain way, or what mainstream spirituality is and and there's

Jane Stark:

these people, there's these people, this group of us that

Jane Stark:

are really drawn to these things. Yeah. And yet I look in

Jane Stark:

it's like, like I say, like nature, finding the beauty in

Jane Stark:

the ordinary moments. Like all of these things that we all can

Jane Stark:

do. And I just wonder, we're so I mean, we know this that as a

Jane Stark:

culture we're so separated right now from from each other, but

Jane Stark:

also from mother nature from totally we're on our screens.

Jane Stark:

We're not outside experiencing where we're rushing through our

Jane Stark:

days, not slowing down to actually admire the bird in the

Jane Stark:

tree or listen to the sounds of the birds or things like that.

Jane Stark:

And I think, at its root, that's all we're talking about here,

Jane Stark:

like we're talking about. I think that's an awareness. And

Jen Lang:

I think that's, that's where that awareness. That's

Jen Lang:

where the fear serenity, peace comes in, though, for people who

Jen Lang:

are wanting something more who know that there's something

Jen Lang:

more, but they don't necessarily know what, you know, they think

Jen Lang:

they need to buy a crystal to feel better, and maybe a crystal

Jen Lang:

does make them feel better. But what if it was just as simple as

Jen Lang:

observing the birdsong on your morning walk? Yeah, that's gonna

Jen Lang:

make it

Jane Stark:

and this is the thing, this is the part that

Jane Stark:

gets me fired up to is this capitalism? Yes, duality, right?

Jane Stark:

Yes. And I think, and we're seeing this bubble up right now

Jane Stark:

to you. You brought up a post to my attention yesterday, on

Jane Stark:

Facebook, from somebody who's starting to kind of call out

Jane Stark:

some of these the oversimplification, I think we

Jane Stark:

would say,

Jen Lang:

of these tropes, or simplifying these spiritual

Jen Lang:

tropes in the broader, wider world.

Jane Stark:

And it doesn't, it doesn't make sense when you do

Jane Stark:

that it doesn't hurting

Jen Lang:

people, then Safley re, like an essay, dramatizing

Jen Lang:

them or hurting them or, you know, and it's becomes very

Jen Lang:

surface level, instead of actually, then people want to

Jen Lang:

bypass the actual work because they're like, Oh, I'm doing the

Jen Lang:

things like I'm doing all the practices, this is something we

Jen Lang:

talked about before, as well, is like you do all the practices

Jen Lang:

and you still feel like crap,

Jane Stark:

or because the oil and the crystal and the whatever

Jane Stark:

are not the thing that are going to actually help, like, they're

Jane Stark:

not going to magically make your suffering disappear or heal you

Jane Stark:

or whatnot. And that's the piece I think they might be the tool

Jane Stark:

in. So for me, definitely, it was a bit of a tool in Yeah, it

Jane Stark:

did not I, I have, I'm surrounded by essential oils,

Jane Stark:

they're not going to heal me. Like, let's be honest, but they

Jane Stark:

are my they are some of my tools into doing that deeper work. And

Jane Stark:

I was very open to doing it. I think, as you were talking about

Jane Stark:

some of your like for you, it really opened up when you

Jane Stark:

started to do your Reiki training. One of the things that

Jane Stark:

kind of popped in I was I was thinking how thinking like When

Jane Stark:

did mine like can I think of a time in my life when all of a

Jane Stark:

sudden the switch flipped? And one of I can't pinpoint the

Jane Stark:

exact time but years ago when I started working with my

Jane Stark:

Hypnotherapist. Yeah, that was a big one. And so I was open to

Jane Stark:

doing that work. But it was all of the pre stuff. But I guess

Jane Stark:

where I'm going is Yeah. When we look at this whole, capitalistic

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world we have and how, again, spirituality has become this

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thing that we can sell people, whether modified? Yeah, whether

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it's through coaching, whether it's healing, whether it's

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through crystals and journals and all the things like

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so where do you think the fierce serenity is for the

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practitioners, the coaches, and the sellers fees are of these?

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So why do I think the spiritual sorry, the fear

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surrender, the

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fear of serenity is for them?

Jane Stark:

Well, let's put that back on us. Right, like salute.

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We are in this space. We coach and we heal. We actually don't

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heal people. We support people in doing their own

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transformation and healing. But I think this is the work that

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we're doing. We're like, not being it's the fragility, right,

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like, Yeah, we actually are willing to turn the mirror and

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look at ourselves and go, Oh, II Yeah. Where are we contributing

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to this narrative? How are we perpetuating this? And is that

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how we want to operate? And I think that's something that you

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and I do we still not a lot, it's absolutely still unfolding.

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And have we bought into some of these things. And have we

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perpetuated? Yeah, I absolutely have. And this is part of my

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integrity on this journey is to continue to look at this and to

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continue to be able to question that and go, okay, like, Where

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can I do better? How can I do better? And I think that is so

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yeah, for for me, and I think for other practitioners, like

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you were saying that is the fear of serenity, it's being willing

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and able to look at where have we maybe been?

Jen Lang:

Where wherever you really bought into and where do

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we still contribute to and perpetuate old paradigms or

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around this work? Yeah. And then also, like you said, being

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willing to turn the mirror on ourselves, on our practices on

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our on what we offer, and go How can this be better? Or how can

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this be more approachable or what needs to go? Ultimately,

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we're still off operate within a capitalist system? But how can

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we? How can we sort of have our own subversion of that, and yet

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still, you know, feed our families and contribute to our

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households? Yeah. And

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I mean, I end the work we do change his lives.

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Yes, exactly. So we're, you know, being in service, I think.

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And that's, I guess that's the other piece, right is if we are

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being in service in integrity to ourselves. That's why we're here

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doing this. Yes. We all need to pay the bills, we all need to

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feed our families, we are worthy of getting paid for using for,

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you know, being able to offer what we do. But the minute it

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becomes about the money, yes. We've lost the planet,

Jen Lang:

only about the money. Yes. Because I'm not sure what

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your experience is. But whenever I work with a client, I grow as

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well. Absolutely. And it's yes, it's, you know, but it's easy to

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say that, but I reflect on every single conversation I have with

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my clients afterwards, and the ones we see together. And it's

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so it's such a beautiful girls process and expanded expansive

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process for all of us. And that's where there's such a

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beautiful exchange, I think, as well, it's not just about the

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money, it's about bringing, guiding, and being a part of a

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person's journey to their fullest potential, including our

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own. Yeah, because if we didn't do that, then we would still be,

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we still would be playing in that same thing, like I perfect

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real life example. So I went back to karate last night to

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teach and help with a grading. And I haven't put my GI on,

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excuse me, I haven't been to karate since October. So it was

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definitely, like, familiar. And yet, I knew my body would feel a

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little sore today, and I got home and I had a foot bath last

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night. But I was reflecting on the dog walk this morning, I was

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like, Oh, my body feels more alive. And being in that

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activity in that action. You know, it was a kids class. So it

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wasn't tremendously strenuous for me, but I was still

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demonstrating things and still helping with technique and the,

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you know, still coaching on the yelling, and you know, those

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kinds of pieces. And at the same time, it was such a beautiful

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realization for me that, okay, this is what karate gives me.

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And this is where the growth is for me, in terms of taking that

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physical action. So as I take physical action, in the force or

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action in the physical world, then that brings everything else

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along with it.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, and I mean, it's that constantly shifting

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energy to right, it allows you it allows the flow of, of

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energy, and it's that constant learning that constant growth,

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like you say,

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Yes, and what I'm saying here, too, is that the

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physical practice, physical spiritual practice, or the

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spiritual physical practice, meaning, like whether it's you

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use cards, or you do some journaling, the physical act of

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working with spirit is what's going to bring you on the

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journey to bigger expansion. Even if it feels a little bit at

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first, like you're going through the motions, one day you will

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find a level or something will happen or something will shift

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or something will drop in. And it's, if it continues to feel

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like you're just going through the actions, and there's

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something underneath that, that wants to come forward that you

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need to uncover and unpack. But that's where the bravery is. And

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that's where the fierce serenity is to you being have to be

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fierce enough first courage to dive into that thing. And then

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that's the nugget of serenity that you'll find. Well, because,

Jane Stark:

yeah, I think it's definitely a practice of it's

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vulnerable. Right? It's, it's really, truly being able to, to

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look at ourselves in a different way and to be willing to, like

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you say, die, like if it's feeling disconnected, what

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what's there, it's being willing to excavate

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and ask questions. You know, if you've had some, you

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know, dreams, the dream space is such an interesting, you know,

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and I personally have found my dreams have been gaining

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intensity and detail over the past several years since I

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started this spiritual practice. And for people who say to me,

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Oh, I don't I never remember my dreams. And I'm like, we'll set

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the intention to remember your dream and keep a journal beside

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your bed and you'll start to remember your dreams. But the

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physical act of putting the journal beside your bed in the

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pan, that is the thing that will help you remember your dreams.

Jen Lang:

Yeah, that's a good example. Yeah. So many. Then you'll start

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to the dream spaces where? What happens in your unconscious as

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well as in I'm gonna say beyond your fit your day to day life

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has a chance to process unfold. On there there is value in

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making a note of that dream space.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, there's so many access points in, right.

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Yeah. And again, if we come back to the simplification, one of

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the other things that kind of spurred on this topic is I was

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just, I just finished reading. It's an old book, but Sue Monk

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Kidd wrote a book called The Dance of the Dissident Daughter,

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which is her journey from Christianity to spirituality

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slash sort of the sacred feminine, it's very much rooted

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in her journey with the sacred feminine, but at the end of it,

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I love what she says she breaks it down into sort of three

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components. And she says, she calls it the spirituality of

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naturalness. And she says, within that, a natural and

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Feminine Spirituality tends to incorporate three very organic,

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basic, but overlooked things into our sacred experience, the

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earthly, the now and the ordinary. And she just breaks

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those down right to the earthly, is like what we were talking

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about, like our connection to nature, and actually feeling,

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feeling into that though, like, you know, going and sitting by

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the ocean, and listening to it, or feeling your feet in the sand

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or putting your hand on the trunk of a tree, and starting to

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like, really pay attention to what to the energy exchange and

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flow there. And then the now, being in the moment, right, that

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we hear so much like, oh, just be in the presence in the

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present. But what does that actually mean? That was a big

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one for me to unpack as well. And one of the quotes that she

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that she quotes in her book is that you cannot step twice into

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the same river for other waters are continually flowing on this

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river is your life and it is different every moment. And I

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love that. It's such a great quote, it's such a great quote

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of being in the now and you just, every moment is different

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and changing. And then the ordinary, like, all of these

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things are things we've touched on, right, but the ordinary in

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terms of just paying attention to how you go through a day, and

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how

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do you prepare your meal? Or how do you eat your

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meal, that too, you know, where it's, I'm totally, I'm gonna say

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guilty about because I don't really feel guilty about it. But

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I have observed that when I prepare a meal, sometimes I'm in

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a rush, and I'll chop the vegetables, I will put any

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thought into it. And because I'm doing something else, or I'm got

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three dishes on the go, and so I'm not really present with the

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food, but I'm about to nourish my body with. But if I stopped

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for a moment and really enjoy the process, and I actually love

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preparing a meal, like I have a glass of wine, while I prepare

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like a weekend meal. And, you know, I take care and preparing

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the vegetables or putting a salad together, or making a soup

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or a stew like I love making winter soups and stews, so all

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of the elements that go into those into those foods. That's

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the that's the now that's the that's the mundane, yeah, that's

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where the origin is, is in the ordinary?

Jane Stark:

Exactly. Yeah, noticing where the light shines

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in your window and the same space every day, or? Yeah, just

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even I remember. I think it was another coach who I've worked

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with in the past. Catherine Roscoe bar, she talks about

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finding the pleasure in the ordinary, and I'll never forget

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where she's like, you know, I'll do the dishes. And I'll put

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music on like, yeah, and I'll just actually notice, like, my

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hands in the water, cleaning the dishes, like, you know, we're

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things that we kind of go, Oh, God, I gotta do the dishes or

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like, the, you know, we've we've become so like, A, that's just a

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task and it feels gross and good to debt to debt. But if we

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actually slow down, and we're just like, hey, I'm here in the

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moment, my hands are in warm, soapy water, you know, put some

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music on. Maybe it's a space to just be like, Hey, I'm actually

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just like, a lot of times, sometimes most of my best

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thinking comes when I'm just at the sink, doing the dishes. And

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that's that that's the ordinary, it's the everyday things. But

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when we start to be able to do those things with awareness and

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feeling into our body and just slowing down and doing them,

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they shift.

Jen Lang:

Yeah, rather than getting through them. Exactly.

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Which, you know, that's totally different in a lot of my life,

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that I used to live a lot of my life getting, I just have to get

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through this, I just had to move through this. I have to I just

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have to get here. And you can even probably hear the energy of

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that phrase in my voice and the way I'm speaking. So if if you

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are catching yourself, in that I just have to get through this

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mindset or way of being then I think I encourage you to look at

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a way of being more present in the now and start with the

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sensations of how something feels. So if it's if you're

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Walking the dog or outside walking, how does the air smell?

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Or maybe you don't, maybe you got allergies and so you can't

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enjoy the air. But maybe you can, you know, touch a tree as

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you walk past or notice the roughness of the bark and start

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to notice the natural world around you. And I think that is

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a really lovely way to start to step into a spiritual practice.

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That isn't a prescribed,

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yeah. Whoo, whoo.

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Meditate with your crystals type of spiritual

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practice. Yeah, that might feel uncomfortable for you. So then

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start with what's start finding the spiritual in the familiar

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and the now.

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Yeah, and expand it.

Jen Lang:

The shower,

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washing your hands water, right. Yeah, water is so

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good. Like, definitely. So good.

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I know, for me, my my challenge is, I still noticed

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that I love to do a lot of those things with something in my

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ears. Often now podcasts because that's that want for perpetual

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learning and growth and whatnot. And it's actually a challenge

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for me to have a bath without being like, Oh, listen to a

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podcast, we'll catch up on this. We're going for a walk. And so

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that's one of my things where I'm sort of thinking, Okay, what

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if I started walking the dog with nothing in my ears? So I

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could just actually be more present and notice what's

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happening, or what if I just sat in the bathroom was with myself.

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A lot of it is really just about being able to be with ourselves.

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And for many of us, myself included, that was really,

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really hard. I believe now I've I've moved through that. And I

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actually love being with myself. But even still, like I just

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shared how I also love to put these things in my ears. And

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that's still a distraction from being with myself.

Jen Lang:

Yeah, so like to eat and read a book or eaten. Yeah,

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watch a snippet of a show. But the other day, I was like, Okay,

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well, what if I were to eat and not watch, watch or listen or

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read anything? And

Jane Stark:

it's actually pretty hard in our candidate. Yeah.

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Yeah. So again, sometimes I do it driving, I actually find I'll

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consciously sometimes I find that actually a place where I've

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started to turn off. Because again, I love listening to a

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podcast or something. But I've started to make the conscious

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effort of what if I just put nothing on and I just

Jen Lang:

dropped off? Yeah, that's a nice feeling. I do that

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sometimes. I think we've covered most of it. This is kind of like

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fear serenity in the spiritual body. It's like as multiple

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spiritual practice kind of guidance, ideas drop into

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whatever feels easy for you to start with. If you don't

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currently have a spiritual practice Janie's Got one more

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than

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just one more thing that's just dropped in here is

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play. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's, it's fun once you kind of, and

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once you start to tap in, and you start to notice little

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things, like, play in it, and don't, it doesn't have to be so

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serious, totally something that I was taught through some of my

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trainings as well, one of my teachers is very much about

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that. She's like, just start playing with your intuition.

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Just, you know, and it's okay to be wrong, like, but start to

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like, play little games or notice things and, and it does,

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it becomes like, Oh, that's fun. Like, you know, putting out

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little asks, or just noticing when I'm like, huh, I gotta, I

Jane Stark:

gotta ledge on that. And then that happened. But again, so

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often when we aren't aware, or we're not slowing down, we miss

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all of those little right? It's just, it's right there in

Jen Lang:

front of us think it's hilarious that as you were

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telling me that to play. I got hiccups. So yeah, I might have a

Jen Lang:

couple of hiccups before we wrap up here. But

Jane Stark:

yeah, that's funny. Well, I think we can wrap it

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there that we can. That's kind of where they the wrap of our

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fear serenity series of just kind of touching on these four

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areas, we go into much more depth in our fear serenity

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program, which is launching in September for our second cohort.

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And that's actually where we facilitate the play, right,

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where we take these concepts. And yeah, and give ourselves

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space to play and to explore and to experience. So if that's

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something that sounds interesting to you, links are in

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the show notes, waitlist, and actually, you can sign up now.

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Drew when started in September, and between now and then we're

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going to be hosting some workshops and some other

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immersive experiences like some beautiful sound journeys with

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Jen that you can experience to just kind of come and start to

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dabble. Yeah, all of that info will be in the show notes. You

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can also follow us on social at we are Jen and Jane, and

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debt our love notes. That's where you'll get all the

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information.

Jen Lang:

Yeah, if you sign up for our love letters love no

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love notes list. Yeah, love letters.

Jane Stark:

I don't know why I got love notes. Okay, sorry your

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hiccups are distracting me.

Jen Lang:

I guess they are distracting. So this is a good

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time to wrap up there. We'll leave the links in the show

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notes. Thanks for joining us today for this exploration of

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spirituality, the spiritual body and for your serenity. Have fun

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and play on your journey of exploring what spirituality or

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