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Embracing What Breaks Us : How To Conquer Chronic Illness with Amina Altai
Episode 8819th April 2022 • Am I Doing This Right? • Corinne Foxx and Natalie McMillan
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Corinne Foxx - @corinnefoxx

Natalie McMillan - @nataliemcm and @shopnataliemcmillan 

What we're drinking: 2020 Hitching Post Pinot Noir 

MEET OUR GUEST: 

Amina AlTai - @aminaaltai and aminaaltai.com

ABOUT OUR GUEST: 

Amina AlTai is a holistic leadership and mindset coach with a specific focus on women experiencing chronic illness. As a woman of color of Iraqi descent, she often works with marginalized communities to help them realize possibilities in a way that honors their particular lived experiences. She's an Entrepreneur Magazine expert-in-residence, a member of the Forbes Coaches Council, and has been featured as an expert on Goop, New York Post, NBC, and more. 


TOPIC: 

40% of the US population is managing a chronic illness right now, and we’ve shared how we’re part of that group in previous episodes. We invited holistic leadership and mindset coach Amina AlTai on the show to discuss how to be an advocate for your health in the workplace and make space for rest and recovery in today’s hustle culture. Amina shares her tips for how to get really clear on your energy code and tools to help with conserving energy. We also touch on the role that a supportive community plays in pain management and healing, and how healthy-bodied people can use their privilege to support people with chronic illness. 


In this episode, we discuss:

  • Amina’s journey with celiac disease and Hashimoto’s
  • Designing your work schedule around your energy and allowing space for agility 
  • Amina’s guided practice journal and notebook, The Nourishment Journal 
  • Giving yourself permission to unmask your symptoms and show up as your fullest self 
  • The difference between rest and nourishment
  • The domino effect of self-advocacy 
  • Reimagining the capitalistic, patriarchal way of running businesses


END OF THE SHOW: 

Corinne and Natalie introduce Hottie of the Week: Selena Gomez


WINE RATING:

2020 Hitching Post Pinot Noir  = 4.5 / Selena 


WRAP UP:

To wrap up the episode, we play Unpopular Opinion. Nat reveals that she prefers chocolate over vanilla, but explains the nuances of her hot take. Corinne says that she doesn’t get the hype about McDonald’s fries and would prefer Arby’s or Burger King fries any day of the week over McD’s. 


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[00:00:08] Natalie McMillan: And I'm Natalie McMillan.

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[00:00:19] Natalie McMillan: And we. Well, I usually say we pop up a new bottle of wine, but this time we twisted it

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And this week we're talking, embracing what breaks us, how to conquer chronic illness with we have a guest today. Oh, Thai. I'm very excited to have you. We're going to be talking with Amina about the challenges of living with a chronic illness, how to advocate for your health in the workplace and how to nourish your body and soul.

And if you're listening to this and you're like, well, I don't have a chronic illness. Let me stop you right there. Let me stop you right there. Because if you are a person who has a uterus that bleeds every month, you do,

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[00:01:04] Corinne Foxx: Every single. People who have uteruses. We are in pain, we are bleeding.

We are experiencing, I sometimes get physically ill, like nauseous. Like, yeah, it's just do casual thing that happens every

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[00:01:19] Corinne Foxx: I think this one's for you too, because that's something we all have to show up to work and show up to our lives and overcome. So

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[00:01:31] Corinne Foxx: opinion, which is a fan favorite.

That's a fan favorite. I know.

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[00:01:48] Corinne Foxx: yes. Yes, but not.

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[00:02:07] Corinne Foxx: God. That is a little bottle. That bottle is so cute. I have good faith in this one.

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[00:02:18] Corinne Foxx: not like a big bottle of guys who would say it's perfect for

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[00:02:45] Natalie McMillan: stories. Yeah. I think you, you know, you know this one. So when I was growing up in my town, very small town, very, very, very small. Less than at the time, it might've been less than 5,000 people. Jesus. Yeah, really small.

We would,

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[00:03:02] Natalie McMillan: Jesus. We would do this thing called the passion play where the entire town pretended to crucify Jesus. Okay. And am I told you this? I didn't know. So we would like get dressed. I remember they put this, like,

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[00:03:22] Natalie McMillan: All of the churches. There was cause for some reason that town has like six churches and they would all come together and like you would literally go to each church and there would be a new scene. Each church.

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[00:03:39] Natalie McMillan: the roads were closed. Like it was like, I remember following Jesus as there was like a boombox with whip sound.

I am not kidding. My mom has this on VHS tape because you could buy it, you know, to support the churches, I guess. So there was a really big controversy one of the years because they wanted a black man. No, no, because one of the other people, so there was Jesus hanging. This is what they are. We had crucified them.

We're at the end of the play and they're in there. Like literally we wrapped them in like a diaper, like with the sheet. Okay. They're hanging up there and. One of the other guys on the other cross had nipple rings stuff and people were so furious about nipple ring Jesus or no, not nipple ring. G what did you choose?

This half? The nipple rings I'll have to watch.

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[00:04:42] Natalie McMillan: But now I'm like, wait, was it Jesus that had the nipple rings or was it the other guy? Hm, regardless, people were pissed. Oh, wow. And I just feel like, do other T listen, if you're listening to this and you're like, yeah, my town does that.

Can you let me know?

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[00:05:11] Natalie McMillan: Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know how that guy got the role. My friend Desi, his brother was Jesus. A couple of times. Vince shout out to Vince. He was Jesus.

What was your role? Did you have a role? I, I was only in it once because usually I would just like follow her along with the crowd, but I, one time, I just remember being at this church and they put a purple sheet over my head and then put like a rope around my eyes.

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[00:05:41] Natalie McMillan: little commoner. I was like a little commoner.

Yeah. Wow. My little sandals. I

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[00:06:30] Corinne Foxx: It feels so good. It's like a looks tinted almost well. There's a very loving God. It smells, it smells

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[00:06:41] Corinne Foxx: blood sugar maybe. And there's some S I'm really, it's not like glitter. It's

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[00:06:48] Corinne Foxx: We love a glove.

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[00:06:55] Corinne Foxx: skins, you know, I'll break out if this is not right.

I know it feels good.

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[00:07:09] Corinne Foxx: God. I'm so excited. I can't wait for this to

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[00:07:32] Corinne Foxx: So we're talking, I'm going to today because we actually both, if you guys have not picked up on it throughout this podcast, we both have chronic illnesses.

I have endometriosis, Natalie has type one diabetes and, uh, Oh, seasoning silly as celiac as well. And I feel like not, we bond so much over like our shared experience of having auto immune disease and like how that impacts our daily lives. And I also feel like, you know, even if you don't have autoimmune disease, like we said, at the top, like, you know, being a person who has a uterus at bleeds like that in itself is something that is chronic, that every month you have to do.

The ups and downs of whatever that is. Yeah. That does affect your daily life and how you show up and how you feel and your energy. And I feel like I'm going to, it's going to be such a great person for us to talk to you about how to navigate that and how to show up to work our best selves and our lives, our best selves, and also how to feel more connected with our bodies even when they're not feeling so quite.

I'm not feeling so hot.

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[00:09:51] Corinne Foxx: Oh my gosh. Just for being here, excited to have you on. Um, when we really reading up about you, we were like, this is so perfect because Natalie and I, we both have chronic illnesses and we talked to each other about it all the time, but we've never really in depth, talked about it on the podcast and like how it affects us showing up to our jobs.

That's like our daily lives. And we were saying, even if someone's listening right now and maybe they don't have a chronic illness, just being a person with a uterus that believes that kind of qualifies

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So it's 133 million of us. So. Plus probably most people that we know it's almost half the population is managing some form of chronic illness, which is wild to think about. Right. Wow.

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[00:10:55] Amina AlTai: time?

Yeah. So I hit a pretty dramatic what I call stop moment. So I was in my twenties and I was, um, running my own marketing agency. And I had started my career in corporate America and very quickly realized that that wasn't for me. So I co-founded this marketing agency, but the thing was, is I carried all of my, kind of.

Cultural familial societal programming into the workplace. So it was like very much into hustle culture. I had no boundaries. I was deeply codependent and I was taking care of everybody, but myself and I remember about five years in and I just started to feel really terrible. Extreme lethargy, forgetfulness.

Like I was like 26, 27 and had memory troubles. And then the thing that actually got me to go to the doctors that my hair was falling out, like, I've always just had like, kind of like luscious locks. And then all of a sudden I have this like bald spot right in the front. And I was like 27 years old and have a bald spot.

Like, what is this about? So I went to. Actually at the end of the day, it was seven different doctors. Cause they were all like, nothing's really wrong with you. And I was like, no, I think that there really is something wrong. And so basically it was one Friday. I was driving out to a client and I got a call from the seventh doctor.

And she was like, what are you doing? And I was like, well, driving out to this client. And she was like, no, if you don't go to the hospital, instead of going to this client, you are days away from multiple organs. So basically I was so malnourished and so ill from these undiagnosed conditions that I was literally at the stop moment where I had to choose, am I going to keep going the way that I'm going?

Or am I going to choose to live another way? So it was very dramatic, but I think I needed that drama because I wasn't paying attention until that point. Yeah. You

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Mine was very similar. It was like, um, her doctors were, well, I don't need to tell your story. You can tell your story. Well, they were just,

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There was all these problems. And then, you know, turns out I was type one diabetic. And my doctor called, I mean, we called her at like 10 o'clock at night and she was like, you need to go to the emergency room. And my mom was like, can we go with like in the morning, like, this is a lot. And she's like, no, like you have to go now.

Your blood sugar

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[00:13:22] Natalie McMillan: So at the time, like when I was admitted to the hospital, it was like a thousand and something. Yeah.

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And I was like, you know, anyway, We, we relate to your story and that it does take a long time sometimes to get a diagnosis and you really have to advocate for yourself. And it's hard to say no to a doctor. It's hard to say you're wrong to somebody who's like, you know, has a degree. And you're like, no, I know my body.

And I think it's really powerful that you have had this like, almost like metaphor moment. It was like, do I continue to. Path, that's not serving me or do I turn around and like advocate for my body and listen to my body. I think that's super powerful.

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So it's like so nice to like, have somebody to relate to when you were diagnosed. Did you have like friends and family who could. Understand what you're going through or was that, how was that for

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We have this inner voice, this inner guidance that just knows that something is up. And if, if even like 5% of you feels like something is wrong, like please advocate for yourself because it can be so intimidating to sit there with. And MD or any type of doctor that has all of this experience and is telling you that it's nothing nothing's wrong, but you know, deep inside that there is.

So like, please, if you feel that please advocate for yourself. So I just want to underscore that. Yeah, absolutely. The community piece has been so important. So. Natalie is really interesting to your story. My older sister was a type one diabetic, and, uh, she was diagnosed when she was eight and I was six.

And so I had a front row seat to her experience and I didn't come to my auto-immune diagnosis until I was in my late twenties. And so we sort of had that family story around it. And my, my family was honestly the most supportive. I remember. So I have celiac disease and Hashimoto's. And with the celiac disease.

I remember leaving the doctor's office being like, well, I can officially eat nothing. Like there's nothing

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[00:15:37] Corinne Foxx: Gluten.

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And that was sort of the first step. And then as I've gotten older, I have a big community that is sort of a chronic illness community. One of my dearest friends, her name is Nica Chopra, and she actually has a company called chronic on, which is a community for those navigating chronic illness, all about creating support and advocacy and a safe space to connect in.

And it just. I think it's life shifting, because I think a lot of us feel a lot of isolation around this of like, what does it mean to manage my energy? What does it mean if my brain isn't working? Right? What does it mean if I'm not feeling great on this day? And to have people that you can share that with, I think is just profound.

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Who's like, Just saying, like, hang in there or I've been there. Any of that, like from somebody else who's experienced, it means so much more than like, you know, my boyfriend and he's very supportive and he can say that, but he has no idea, no idea. He's never out of period. Um, and so like, he has no idea what it's like.

And so I agree with you, like community is so like a, such an important piece of the puzzle in like healing yourself. Um, you know, you say that you're a. Illness advocate. What does that mean to you? Like what, what message do you want to, you know, share spread? Yeah,

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And also, I really want to talk about the intersection of our wellbeing, our mindset, and our work, where. For most of us, we have to go to work. Right? We have to earn a living. We have to show up, you have to do a thing, but what does it mean to do that in a way when we're managing chronic illness or when we don't feel a hundred percent or what am I managing mental illness?

So I think a lot of us are dealing with so much and we have to show up every day. And so how do we do that in a way that allows us to be in our fullness, to be our real selves and to be able to bring others on the journey and educate them as well. So I feel like that's really sort of a big part of my work is educating people around what it's like to.

Move through life this way.

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Or, or let yourself rest when everybody else isn't going 24 7. It's like, but they don't have the limitations, you know? Hmm.

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So we want to get really clear on how we specifically move through life. So those of us with female hormones, we have something called the rhythm. So our hormones actually shift every week and actually the Workday was designed around mentor modes. So there's that too.

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[00:19:16] Amina AlTai: Of course.

Right? So knowing that our hormone shift every day, every week, what does that mean for us? Knowing that we might be more energized at certain times, more creative at other times, and less energized certain times we want to get really clear on our authentic energy code. So I always ask my. When are you most energized?

What do you do your best thinking work? When do you need to rest and then designing their work around that and then allowing space for agility? Right? So it's like we can't live by these hard and fast rules in these structures, particularly if we're navigating chronic illness, because we don't know when we might have a flare or be navigating something challenging.

So, and then the second piece I think, is pacing ourselves. I don't think that we really live in a world that paces, right. It's just sort of like, go, go, go, go all the time. But particularly in the pandemic, I've been using this endurance metaphor with my clients. If we're not in like a sprint, right. This is an endurance conversation.

And so endurance athletes and I had a client that was an ultra marathon runner, literally running. Marathons 24 hours a day. Oh my God. I was talking to them and thinking like, how do you do this? And one of the things that we were talking about was pacing and conserving energy. So there are times where you can push because you can, and there are times, you know, to pull back and, you know, to restore and, you know, to relax.

When you think about professional athletes, right? It's like the only reason that they're able to go in. And I mean, not the only reason, there's lots of reasons, but they're able to have like such an amazing race day or whatever is because they also make space for rest and recovery because they are pacing themselves.

They're not going. But that was miles an hour. And I think that that metaphor for us is so important. Like how are we pacing

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[00:20:57] Natalie McMillan: whole month of July off.

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And it's very like individualized and like we're all against each other. And it's just like so strange. And competitive

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[00:21:30] Corinne Foxx: yeah. Yeah. So you have something called the nourishment journal, which, which is a personal development workbook where you can unearth blocks standard between you and your dreams.

So how do you use the nourishment journal in conjunction, you know, with battling chronic illness and showing up as your best.

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So once we can really understand what the dream is and what's getting in the way we can kind of design and map towards that thing. But inside the nourishment journal, we look at all different areas of your life, from your relationship to work to your relationship, to money, to relationship to yourself, to community, et cetera.

And then we look at the space. So I ask you, like on a scale of one to 10, like how whole full and nourished you feel in each of those areas. And then any area that's really below a seven, we want to look at because there's probably something there for us, right? Whether it's mindset or something that just isn't working for us, and then figuring out what's really getting in the way of that thing and then mapping towards feeling really whole in that space.

And if there's an area that doesn't, that isn't important to you, we throw it away. But for the most part, if there are areas that are lacking and we want to really turn the volume up on the nourish. What do we need to do to move any mindset blocks out of the way to give ourselves permission to have that thing and then to show up in it consistently?

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[00:22:48] Corinne Foxx: always, we always, you know what you always do for me, not when I'm having an endo flare and I texted you go, I'm giving you permission. To lay down and not answer emails and, you know, take a nap in the middle of the day on a work day. I'm very blessed that I can do that.

But like, I, sometimes I do need, like, you didn't give him like, okay,

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[00:23:11] Corinne Foxx: can't do that. Like, you know, it's so hard to get it to yourself.

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So first of all, like knowing your rights and what's within your rights, And the second piece is like aligning your advocates and allies. So who are the people around you that maybe are not navigating what you're navigating? And they're in a position of, let's say power or privilege and they can go to bat for you.

And you can have all different types of allies and sponsors inside the organization that have a bit more psychological safety or actual safety to go to bat for you around these things. So it's really important that we have our cheering squad, that we have our team inside the org that could also support us as well.

If we don't feel like we have the safety to do that

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[00:24:29] Corinne Foxx: Yeah, no, I mean, that's, that's like so smart to even just like read up on what's legal and what's not, you know, like, I didn't even think about that. I mean, we're very blessed that we don't have to work in that kind of way. I'm curious about, like, we were just talking also about.

Energy levels. And like, you know, maybe not feeling like your best, like what is the self talk that we need to learn? And it might just be back to like giving yourself permission when we're not feeling our best. And like when our energy is being taken from me, like what type of self-talk do we need to have in those modes?

Yeah,

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If we know in our hearts that we lack the ability to show up in the way that we want to show up, giving ourselves permission to say, okay, like, I actually need to pause. I need to take care of myself because what's in highest service for you is also in highest service for the other people.

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[00:25:34] Natalie McMillan: Yes. It's tough though. It's

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[00:25:40] Natalie McMillan: it's like, you want to, and again, I think it's back to this like patriarchal work culture where it's like, we want to be pleasing people and we want to do a good job. And we're always like trying to do more and more and more.

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So it's like sometimes it's hard, especially if you're in a work environment that is, you know, you're one of the few women there that you like, you know, you don't want to feel like you you're being held back by your own body, you know, I, or I

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And so I was like, this is just all of me. And so that was a very conscious choice to bring sort of wellness and wellbeing into my career in business coaching, because like we're not disconnected at the head and the body, right? Like we are one system. We are one year. And I need to show up in the fullness of myself because me doing that gives other people permission to do the same.

Like if I'm hiding this really big part of my life, I'm not giving others permission to show up in their fullness. And I think that that's not fair to them. And so it's also exhausting to pretend that I don't live this way. Right? Like this is my reality. So, you know, if you're, if you're going to be a community with me, you're going to know about it.

And so. There are conditions and containers in spaces where it doesn't always feel like it's safe to lead with that. But this is my identity and I've lived before denying parts of myself. And it's partly what I believe had me express those auto-immune conditions. So there's no way that I'm denying my truth around.

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And I, you know, I'm putting up a mask and like, you know, you were saying at the top, like, was it 40% of Americans, you know, are living with chronic illness? And like, I really only know Natalie that, you know, in my close circle, It makes me curious, like who else is someone? I, I know maybe very personally that is struggling and just needs me to open up more.

You know what I mean?

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And he, the more we talk about it, the more we de-stigmatize it, we release the shame. This is the body that we're in, in this

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Like nobody wants to do that. It takes people to stand up for themselves. I'm not doing this yeah. For other people to go, oh, okay. I can do that too. You know?

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Like if, if I had male hormones like possible, like if I didn't have these chronic illnesses, like different hormones, And so I think it's, it's the responsibility of those people that maybe have healthy body privilege or are living in a position of privilege or power to support us in that way. Right.

They have a different experience in this lifetime than us. And so it's, I think part of their work to stand up for us to shine a light on it, to create spaces that are supportive for. Yeah, I

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[00:29:47] Amina AlTai: bare minimum. Yeah. Yeah.

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And can you explain how that plays a role in burnout and also healing our bodies and our minds? Yeah.

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And so I think about it as you know, our financial nourishment, our workplace nourishment, our relationship to ourselves, our community is our body. The thoughts that we have in our head, all of those allow us to either feel really great and show up fully, or they can be detractors. So we want to really understand what we need to turn the volume up on in terms of nourishment for ourselves.

Because I believe that nourishment is a conduit to clarity, right? When we are taking care of ourselves in a way that is true for us, we can be the people that we came here to be. And in terms of burnout, I mean, burnout. Wow. What a topic? Oh God. Especially now, right? We're more burned out than we've ever been in the world.

Health organization officially recognizes it as a real workplace phenomenon. Oh, wow. I, I didn't know that, but I also think that workplaces don't know what to do about it. Right. And I think that we're actually entering kind of a labor workplace revolution. We haven't had a revolution in the context of work in over a hundred years and we really need one because life is very different.

We have very different folks in work than we did a hundred years ago. We're living in very different bodies and we need to really overhaul this because sort of this hustle culture, this like capitalistic patriarchal way of running businesses is to humanizing. And it's not really in supportive very few

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Yeah. It almost makes me wonder too, because I feel like, and I could be wrong about this, but I feel like I've read statistics that there's more chronic illness now. Like kind of as years have gone, the number gets bigger and bigger and I almost wonder, yeah. Due to burnout and because you're so

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[00:31:49] Natalie McMillan: you know, and I think that stress is such a huge, I mean, yeah, if I'm stressed out, my blood sugar gets all crazy.

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[00:32:03] Natalie McMillan: Yeah. So I just think it's like, if we could all slow down, would we all also just be in a healthier body? You know, question. Yeah. I guess we'll find out you have a signature program that I want to talk about called the radical Uplevel.

So it's a three month coaching container that helps entrepreneurs Uplevel their work and their lives. How have your experiences with chronic illness affected the material that you teach within that container?

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So like part of the reason I became an entrepreneur is because I didn't feel fully expressed or fully taken care of in the context of a corporate role. And, you know, even how I arrived at my teachings was because of navigating chronic illness. Like even when I was talking about those authentic energy codes and managing our energy, like, I wouldn't have that piece of the curriculum if I wasn't in this body.

And so it's dramatically affected it, but I think it's relatable to everybody because to your point. And talking about it. We want to live at a different pace. We don't want to expend ourselves or exchange our bodies for success. Right. We're really kind of moving in a different direction where that's just not available for us anymore.

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[00:33:24] Natalie McMillan: we preach and my head, like what's that I think it's Gandhi that says, um, be the change you wish to be in the world, because I was just thinking even like Instagram stresses me out, like my work, like having to post things on Instagram and I'm like, Not like stressed about it.

Right. Like, but I think other people feel the same pressure they do for sure. So we all need to just let ourselves chill

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And thank you for the work that you're doing and your coaching, and, and also just talking and being vulnerable about your own challenges and your own story. I mean, again, when you share it, it, it helps other people.

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Like we said, it gives others permission to stigmatize. We allow them to show up as who they are.

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So we'll link to everything in our show notes, but thank you so much. Thank

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[00:34:46] Corinne Foxx: Wow. That conversation. I love her. I'm so happy. We had our eye on the meat and we kept talking about, you know, our journeys and it's something we talk about all the time, but I'm glad we can like bring to the potty. Yes. I agree. Okay. So let's circle back on this. What are we drinking? We're

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[00:35:30] Natalie McMillan: for an Emmy recently, right?

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Okay. So one to miss sell,

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[00:36:01] Corinne Foxx: four and a half at a miscellaneous bad. It's not bad. It's just, it's just nothing to like scream

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[00:36:15] Corinne Foxx: all right. This is the part of the episode where you play a little wrap-up game. And this week we're doing,

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[00:36:29] Corinne Foxx: Yes. We're holding up to play it. Okay. Now, so what is your unpopular opinion?

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[00:36:43] Corinne Foxx: like a F like a ladies like this a lot. Oh, I know what you're going to say.

Chocolate. Oh, I was going to say, you're going to say your other one, but I won't say it. You've already said that I've said that way.

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[00:37:02] Corinne Foxx: vanilla.

Okay. Well, there's so many layers to the chocolate cake I'm going to pass. Oh, there's so many layers. There's so many layers to this. I agree with you. And the terms of sometimes baked goods, but I think overall, like you wouldn't do, you know, like a little dark chocolate school. Oh, my God, like a little dark chocolate

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No, I'd rather have like gummy, like a gummy candy or something. I guess I like eminent. I mean, I like like Halloween candy chocolates,

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[00:37:34] Natalie McMillan: like desserts, like the flavor of chocolate

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[00:37:40] Natalie McMillan: just the ice cream. I mean, I like the, like the lava part, like with the ice cream, like the chocolate mixed in with the ice cream, but like, I wouldn't order the lava cake and beyond.

Like if I go to like, to get a smoothie or whatever, and they're like, oh, you can put a protein powder in it. Like you can put chocolate. I do

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Oh yeah.

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[00:38:12] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. But that's not like a chocolate, like

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[00:38:19] Corinne Foxx: love a brownie. I do too. A warm brownie. Interesting. It is an unpopular pant. I feel like

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[00:38:35] Corinne Foxx: and popular I'm popular.

I have an unpopular opinion. I've I've briefly mentioned this, but I'd like to go more in depth and this one, actually people might come for my neck. Oh. And I'm being real about that. McDonald's fries. Are I E I eat, there's a lot of other fries that I like better. I love a waffle fry. I love burger king fries.

I love a, um, a potato wedge. I love there's a lot of things I love more than McDonald's fries.

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[00:39:11] Corinne Foxx: cause I really like a tater tot

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[00:39:20] Corinne Foxx: don't like?

Okay. Here, I'll tell you exactly what it is. Okay. When I think of a McDonald's fry, I don't think of the best part of the fry. I think of that last little crispy mother fucker though. That little chunk, the

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[00:39:34] Corinne Foxx: sharp. Yes. Oh, I hate those things. I don't mind though.

You don't mind those little motherfuckers

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[00:39:43] Corinne Foxx: chip. I don't like that thing. And so that's what I associate with McDonald's fries. I don't know why there might be a childhood trauma in there about that. So

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[00:39:56] Corinne Foxx: Experience. It's more of, yeah, it's less of the flavor and it's more of the little bits I hate the little bit. Okay. But like a burger king fries, they don't have the little bits because the right cut of a waffle fry, like a thick wedge. Yeah. I don't, I need it thick because I can't have any. Splinter off into a little thing.

That's going to like chip the top of my mouth. Like I just can't have that. There's too much of a risk with the

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[00:40:26] Corinne Foxx: Oh yes. The curly fries. Yes. That's what I'm saying. That's my house, the seasoning on it.

Those are, but that's kind of where I like to live. Yeah. And that feels safe to me. And I'm not going to get hit with a little, little prickly bit. Yeah.

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[00:40:47] Corinne Foxx: I turned down a large McDonald fry. I don't want that clear. Right. I'm just letting you know that if I had an RBS aura, aura, a Berg BK, BK, I might go that way.

And that's. I think that is unpopular. And we'll put these on the stories, you guys for chocolate and fries and McDonald's fries, and you guys can weigh in on your opinion as well. Um, am I doing this right pod on F the Graham Graham and you guys don't forget if you like our show, you can rate and review the podcast.

We're actually going to start reading some of our reviews on the, on the potty. We'll make sure to start doing that, but. We'll be back next week, back next

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