Wendy and I were joined for a podcast we recorded on Facebook Live with Allison Jornlin, Milwaukee’s Paranormal Researcher of the Year and WhatsYourGhostStory.com ‘s Scott Markus to talk about the happiest ghost stories we know.

In this episode, we talk about a ton of happy ghost stories and one not-so-happy one:

• The Gallery Inn in San Juan, Puerto Rico which is haunted by the ghost of the husband of the owner, Manuco Gandia and the stories that the staff told me personally
• Rudolph Valentino’s favorite haunts in Hollywood
• The lovers that haunt the Miller Caves in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
• The spirit of North Hall on the University of Wisconsin campus and the ghost story there from my high school social studies teacher!
• How naturalist John Muir saved his professor’s life after a psychic premonition
• Milwaukee’s own Hungarian Baron, adventurer Dr. Stephan Borhegyi who still haunts the Milwaukee Public Museum
• The ghosts of the Eastland Disaster and the ones that haunt Oprah’s Harpo Studios in Chicago (that’s the not so happy one)

Rudolph Valentino’s most famous role and his spirit still haunts his favorite places in Hollywood

Welcome to See You on the Other Mike, where the world of

the mysterious collides with the world of entertainment.

A discussion of art, music, movies, spirituality,

the weird and self discovery. And

now, your hosts, musicians and entertainers

who have their own weakness for the weird, Mike and

Wendy from the band Sunspot. Episode

289 of the See You on the Other Side podcast.

Welcome to the See You on the Other Side Lockdown.

But I tell you, it doesn't have to be, a negative thing, and we're

still having fun, no matter what. And, we're

gonna try to lift everyone's spirits

today by telling the happiest ghost

stories we know. And so today, of

course, joined by Wendy

from the CEO of The Side Podcast as well as,

Scott Marcus from what's your ghost story dot com and

Hello. My sister, unfortunately,

Allison Jordan. And so She's

quarantined up at the Mike planet Hoth, it looks like. That's right.

Things are going great over here. You know? We're just, ripping

open animals and sleeping inside of them just Mike, you know, normal.

Yeah. Nice and cozy. Mike and moist. You know, when you

guys were looking for happy ghost stories, you know, to talk about

today, did you find it difficult at all to find,

like, ghost stories that were fun or happy or anything like that? Does it seem

like most people, the stories they tell about ghosts are scary,

or did you say there's there's plenty of happiness to go around? Well, I I

wanted to say that that I consider all ghost stories to

be happy, and here's the reason why. So amidst all the

foibles and, you know, the tragedy and the travesty,

if life goes on in some way, that's happy.

Right? You know, if Mhmm. People escape this mortal

coil and go on to an afterlife, that's happy. I mean

Unless the afterlife is not such a nice place. Okay.

You know, it might not all be Mike like, unicorns

and sunbeams and rainbows, but it's

life. And where there's life, there's hope. So if there's an afterlife,

I'm all good. You know, even if terrible things happen to you

in life, you know, if there's a continuance and if you learn from

something from it, I think it's a positive. Oh, that's a really nice way to

look at it, Allison. I you know, different religions too seem to have,

like some afterlives. Of course, heaven's the big one that

obviously everybody wants to go to heaven because it's an eternity in paradise.

But then other afterlives Mike the Greek Hades

always seemed like a downer. You kinda go there. Everything's great. But they

had the Elysian Fields. Right? Right. For the heroes. So it would give

some, you know, people a reason who wanted to die in battle or whatever,

get to go to the Elysian Fields. But, Scott and Wendy, when you

guys were looking for, ghost stories, did did you find it easy to

find happy ones? I I do think that's pretty easy. I you know,

I've got the the LA Hauntings, ghost tour,

the the now the Hollywood American Ghost Walks. And

I I feel like the vast majority of the locations,

especially along Hollywood Boulevard, are really positive stories because they involve

people that love the place in life, and they they wanna come back to it

and keep enjoying that place. We'll get into detail, of course,

but, Mike, Valentino alone, he has seen it, like, a dozen

places in LA, another 6 in New York, and another 1 or 2

in Italy. And his dog haunts the Calabasas Pet Cemetery.

And, so this is a a guy that died young. So so yes. Yes. We

we kick it off with some sadness, but we gotta break some eggs. But he

can he was a partier. He loved to go out and socialize, and he's been

able to continue to do so after death. So I think that's super positive and

fun to talk about. Talking about now you're talking about the actor, Rudolph

Valentino, and people might recognize him from what

blockbuster mega hits? Oh, The Sheik. Everybody. The

Sheik. Was it Dance of the 7th Veil, something like that?

I I you know, I can't remember them. Oh, there's a the Four Horsemen of

the Apocalypse. Everybody's heartthrob, Rudolph Valentino. I mean, still even the

Bengals were singing about him in the eighties. Nice. Yes. Yeah. I mean,

he was and, you know, his most iconic character was

the Sheik, and he was the biggest, one of the first

male sex symbols. And that is why we have Sheik condoms

because it's named after this, romantic character from the

19 twenties, back in the silent era. Yeah. We can

thank him for those ones that break all the time. Oh, come

on. Allison, that's awesome. That would work for her.

Away with that. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Wendy, did you find it hard, to find some happy ghost stories or did they

just pop off the page for you? Well, I found that it was

actually easy to find, Mike, fiction ghost

stories for children that were happy.

Okay. But not so easy to find actual experiences people had

with ghosts that were, like, you know, made you feel good.

Okay. So maybe maybe it's just more fun. Maybe

people prefer the stories that are spooky or I don't know. But

just in my searches of the Internet, so that doesn't mean Sure. There aren't

plenty of other positive experience things. And I've certainly met people,

at conferences or, you know, the places

on on my ghost tour and things like that where people tell me they think

someone, a loved one that's passed has visited them

and, you know, they've experienced hearing or seeing things and those are always kind

of touching and positive. Alright. Well,

let me kick off the story today with a happy story of a firsthand account

that I got when I was, visiting, Puerto Rico in

December of 2018. And the

only, the only tip that I got about this particular

location, which is the Gallery Inn, which is

on Calle Nasgray, and it's it's right on the it it's

it's right on the ocean. It's overlooking the Atlantic Ocean, overlooking this, you

know, big field on over the ocean. It's really a beautiful place. It's in

Old San Juan. And it's,

it kinda looks nondescript on the outside and I just I saw

somebody, like, in a in a San Juan, Puerto Rico

employment forum post something that, like, the

dishwasher said it's totally haunted. Like, so that was all I'd gotten about

that particular location. And so I wanted to

go in there and see if they did have any ghost stories.

And so immediately, you walk in and,

what was funny about it is that there's I thought it was a, like, a

a statue of a parrot. It's just gigantic. I mean, the thing

must have been 2 feet high. Like I thought it was just this parrot on

this tree, like inside this veranda,

and I'm like, that's a pretty cool statue of a

parrot. And then it's like, hello, and it started talking.

And I'm Mike, alright then. So it was a real parrot. So just to go

over, it originally was, like 6 intertwined

townhouses that were Spanish military residences built in

the 1700. And so, they eventually

just became Mike regular houses, but

an artist, Jan Disposo bought the

place in the 19 sixties. Now she was born in Connecticut, but she spent

time in Puerto Rico as a young girl with her uncle who used to work

for their governor, Luis Munoz Marin marine. I always

say it wrong. But they named the airport after this guy, so he's, like, Puerto

Rico's most famous governor. And she returns there in the

19 sixties with her husband, Manuco, and they worked for a long time to

renovate the place. They turned it into a hotel that has art in every room.

And so that's that's why I thought that's why they call it the Gallery Inn

because there's art, Mike, unique, you know, sculptures and

paintings and and stuff like that in every single room of the place. And So

no Velvet Elvises? No. Definitely, that is not a place for

Velvet Elvises. That is for sure. Okay. I would love a room

with a Velvet Elvis just to go on the record. Well, maybe you can

request it. You can and they can do that for you in advance.

Anyway, the hotel bar is called the Cannon Club and it really is a Mike

a quirky one of a kind place. And the ocean view was spectacular

and, it's it's a it's pretty sweet. And so even though the

building is 3 centuries old, most of the ghostly activity isn't from the Spanish

soldiers, but from Manuco, the deceased husband of the

owner of the inn, Wendy D'Esposo. She's still alive. He never left

the building because his ashes are still in his old office. They're in a

like, they're in, like, an urn, I think. They're not just ashes out

everywhere. But when we talked to the bartenders at the Cannon Club, they mentioned

that they've seen him in his former office sitting in his chair. And they

thought it was weird that, you know, they're Mike, is somebody in

there? And then they walk in, and there's nobody in the office. So they see

him from outside the office sitting there, and then they walk and he's not there.

And there's a piano in the bar in the Cannon Club,

and sometimes the people hear music when there's nobody playing the keys. And they think,

like, oh, they're like, they're in the other room. Like, oh, you hear that music?

Somebody must be playing the piano. And they go in there, and it's nobody,

playing the piano. But they say the usual footsteps, shadows, and the feeling of

not being alone come along with the job description at the Gallery Inn, but

nobody feels threatened or scared because Manuka was a popular and friendly

guy when he was alive, and they think that he's just checking in on the

building, that he worked hard on, and he shared it with the love of his

life for 50 years that they had, worked there. And

I thought that was a really happy ghost story, and I was excited

walking in because you never know when you talk to people that work at a

place, like, what they're gonna say when you say, like, hey. Is

this place haunted? Or, like, I heard there's ghosts here. And, the 2

girls working at the bar that night were,

complete they were, like, super excited to tell the stories. They're like, oh, yeah.

Someone's gonna believe us. Finally. And, they talked about

seeing Manuka through the place and how they they always thought he was a nice

guy when he was alive, and he was always friendly and they you know, a

beloved character. And so, they enjoyed

seeing him after he was gone. And even his, you know, his wife had

seen had seen his spirit in place a lot. And they said that

she felt comfortable with him there, that he was just coming in

for a visit, and it wasn't anything scary at all. That is a really

positive, story that, you know, he's

he's lingering in the place that he's so loved in life, so it makes

sense. And, you know, now that you talk about that, Mike,

I mean, I have a lot of stories, in

Milwaukee that are like that. Like, I'm thinking

about the Milwaukee Public Museum, for instance, and,

they are haunted and have been for the last

50 years by, their former director

who, was the director of the Milwaukee Public Museum from

1959 to 1969. And,

he was a very, you know, exciting,

interesting, idiosyncratic kind of character,

and he is still experienced throughout the building. And

not because of, you know, some terrible thing,

that occurred there. I mean, nothing terrible happened there, but

after his death, he just came back to this place that he loved in

Mike. And he was quite a prankster in life, and he's still a

prankster today. So, I love stories

like that where, people seem to live on and,

you know, continue, to express

their personality. Sure. No. I think I think it's great.

And, I I thought it was really cute that the girls were excited that we

wanted to talk about it. They were I mean, probably they were probably also really

excited because I had bought a bought a whole

bottle of Mike, and so, like, alright. These guys are gonna be here for

a while drinking. Some war fell his head

with a lot of stories. Yes. Right. And but, you know, it worked.

And now, I've got a story that we can tell people on the,

the tour in Puerto Rico. Alright. Well,

who who wants who wants to tell a story next? Scott, you

had teased us earlier with,

stories about, Rudolph Valentino

and I think we wanna hear more about the famous Novaire.

Oh, well, let's see. I mean, I I guess one of the more,

again, popular and famous ones involves the Knickerbocker Hotel,

which is on Ivar just, less than a block north of,

Hollywood Boulevard. And this place has its incredible history.

There's a lot of, honestly, there's a lot of darkness and sadness there as well.

But, gosh, where do you even start with this place? One of the places that

makes this a an important location just in the history of all things

paranormal is that this is where Bess Houdini held her

rooftop seance on the 10th anniversary of Harry Houdini's death, trying to

make contact. So that will always be just an

important part of spiritualism here, history. But,

yes, Valentino would be seen in the lounge of this

hotel, and it it was said much like resurrection Mary in the south side of

Chicago that you could dance with him all night long, maybe not even realizing that

you were dancing with this famous specter. And, a funny

thing is that in life, as the story goes, he would ride his

horse down from because, you know, obviously, the the the great

romance, hero rides a white horse from his

home in the Hollywood Hills down to the Knickerbocker Hotel to,

to then have martinis and tango the night away. But it's that he would get

it so sloshed on martinis that he would eventually just slump his

body over his horse, and the horse being the best designated

driver in the world would walk home as he's passed out on his back.

So an interesting thing though is that Valentino, he passed

away early from some, internal stomach complications

that didn't, he went into surgery and didn't come out of surgery.

He died before the Knickerbocker was built, so there's no

way that he could have actually been dancing here in life.

So we Wendy, is the story one is the story taken and

accidentally moved from a different hotel that was popular at that Mike, or

is it true that he is still dancing here in this location, which

is now, like an apartment complex in a retirement community, so you

can't really go in and explore except that there's the best restaurant in the world

on the first floor, and that is actually where the the lounge used to be.

So you can actually still go to the place where Valentino was seen.

So it but is this a place that Valentino, it opened after he passed

away? And and Rudy was like, well, I haven't ever checked out over there, so

let's let's head this way and and see what the the vibe is like.

So maybe you can still, visit new places after death too.

Oh, nice. Well and if it's the greatest restaurant in the world,

obviously, he wants to give it a nimble.

Oh, okay. We had a couple of people comments from the peanut gallery. Bart says

says we only hear the bad ghost stories, and it's nice to hear some positive

ones. Hi, Bart. How you doing? Bart is a proud see you on the other

side podcast, Patreon member. So shout out to,

b art Woo hoo. And rock on my man. Yes. And,

Stephanie says, awesome. It's ghost story time. How you doing,

Stephanie? She used to be the Milwaukee ghost tour

guide. Alright. Yeah. And so Oh, yeah. Stephanie.

Yes. Yes. So it's nice to have a visit.

Yeah. And I'm hoping to get her back, this

summer. That'd be great. She's awesome. And

she is awesome. So, Wendy, you have to

tell a happy ghost story next? Yeah. Well, I guess there is a

happy ish ghost story from the Waukesha tours that I

do. Doesn't that be perfect? But, actually, before I get to that, I wanted to

just point out that, first of all, I love ghosts that

play instruments, like the piano you were talking

about. Because that that is an that does conjure a nice feeling

of someone, you know, even in the afterlife continuing to do

what they love to do. Unless they're playing the theme song, the Westworld, which

is super depressing. So if they play that from the beyond the grave, you don't

wanna hang out with them. And so Or baby shark because they're just trying to

kill you then. You know they're pure. That's torture. That's just yeah. It's

not right. It's cruel. It is cruel. So were you gonna haunt

Wendy and play you're gonna haunt somewhere and play a a drum set? I was

just gonna say that, you know, if anyone has trouble sleeping at night because they

keep hearing random drum solos. Just just

saying. Well, that reminds me of the natatorium in Amarillo. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. That's a good one, actually. So we were, driving cross country

and, natatorium, it used to be this public pool,

but then and then it got, floorboarded over,

became, I think, a roller rink for a little while, but then it was ultimately

a dance hall and concert venue, for, like, the big band era

in, in Amarillo, Texas. And today, it's an antique

mall. So it's just, like, chalk to the brim with

old crap, basically, for people to buy. And, and and there's

all sorts of activity at this place, but one thing that happens, which I would

I so wanna experience this, is in the middle of just

clear out of the blue, and I can't imagine how many how much people jump,

but they'll hear a drum solo emanating from the stage.

And, yeah. I think maybe I don't know. You'll have some company

in the afterlife. It will I mean, that is unique because you do hear a

lot of stories about the Phantom piano playing. Sure. And I've

heard of violin music also. We another place we

visited with there's a gravesite with a monument of

a young girl holding a violin. People claim at certain times you can

hear violin music near there. But, the drum set one

I thought was especially unique. Yeah. So So shout out to Chelsea,

another Patreon who That's right. The person that gave us the the lead on Oakwood

Cemetery Elmwood Cemetery Yes. In Centralia, Illinois. Yes. Violin

Annie, the statue that is there. So but, yeah, just

getting back to the the stories of people either remaining in

their daily routine kind of just as a friendly presence.

There is a a ghost story from Waukesha that

people report seeing at at a bus stop a woman

who she's waiting for the bus, basically, but they'll see her and then,

you know, kind of look away and look back and she's gone. And there hasn't

been a bus to pick her up in that short amount of

time. So and it kind of coincides with a story of

an, woman who was killed near that area that

was a regular at the bus stop and

just kind of a friendly presence, just continuing doing her daily thing. And so

people see that specter, from time to time.

You know, Allison, you had a a pretty happy story,

from the Miller Caves in Milwaukee, didn't you? And

I remember I remember when you got this story,

weren't wasn't that one of the days of the Chicago Paranormal Convention in, like,

2015? Like, you had gone to the Miller Caves in the morning

and then you'd driven to Oh, yes. I I

had that story for a long time, though. But, yeah. In

2015, the people at Miller

embraced the history and did a little video and even did

a paranormal investigation that night of the Miller Inn and

the Miller Caves, which is in downtown Milwaukee

and, it's a place, where, people

regularly tour and there are these

caves, these limestone caves in,

the complex which used to be used, from about

the mid 1800 to 1906

to house beer and keep it cold when

they didn't have modern refrigeration. So

Beer. These huge limestone caves were

used for refrigeration. And, back in 1955,

one of our big, our former big newspapers here, the

Milwaukee Sentinel, had a special

edition, just for Miller, just

for the 100th anniversary of Miller

Brewing in Milwaukee. So, in

1955, they have this special issue and it had

all these stories about Miller and Miller history, and one

of the stories, was a famous ghost

story that takes place or took place. I

didn't know it that time when I just found the newspaper article

that it was still taking place, but, so

I found this article and I thought, Wow, this is such a lovely

bit of folklore, and it's so you know, it's

a it's a love story. And so it was just irresistible

to blog about for Valentine's Day in my Milwaukee ghost

blog 1 year, you know, back in the

2000 aughts sometime, I blogged about it.

And, the story, here here's how it goes. So

there was a young brewery worker working at Miller,

and, he had this paramour, this girlfriend.

And during one hot summer Listen to you

paramour. What are you writing down here? Yeah. Well, you

know, we're talking about Valentino, so I gotta bring out the vocab.

Right? So, anyway, this this,

brewery worker has this lover who, is this, you

know, beautiful young girl. And every Saturday

night, during one hot summer, they have a tryst

where they will meet, in front of the Miller

Caves, and they will use the Miller

Caves as as their love palace. So

Oh, yeah. They were frolicking amidst the cast. F

cave. And their their affections bloomed

and sparked in the lantern light. And,

so they were just having a great time among these huge

cask of beer and, you know, maybe some of the cask leaks. I don't

know. You know, there could be a little bit of a leak there, you know,

just to just to keep everybody lubricated. I'm not sure. But but,

anyway, they had a great time in the cool air of the

caves, and so they used this as their little love palace,

for the summer. But then, one Saturday night,

the, young girl is waiting patiently,

outside, the cave, and

her lover doesn't meet her. And she's waiting for

hours and hours, and she returns home

only to find that he has been in a terrible accident.

She finds out that, he was working one day in

one of the caves, and he,

tripped and fell on, one of the staircases and hit

his head. And so, of course, she ran to his bedside,

and he would never regain consciousness.

So it doesn't start out happy, but, you know, where there's a ghost story, there

has to be some death. So then,

he dies and she's at his bedside

And the old timers would tell that she

actually would die soon after as well. That winter,

she passed, due to a broken heart. That is

sad. And so this was the story that they would tell about this

this terrible accident that occurred at the brewery in the

Miller Caves. And then, they

said, you know, soon after those deaths, they

would they would see that that, subsequent fall

and summer, they saw this this woman

in white, a a luminous figure. Mhmm. They

would glimpse her sometimes standing in front of,

the Miller Cave entrance, on Saturday nights.

And Are you sure that you can see the lady from the Miller High Life

sign? Yeah. I know. Right? Or whatever? Yes.

But ghostly and in white. So, anyway, this was the

story. And I was like, oh, that's so charming that, you know, there's

still this this, you know, woman waiting for

her lost love, and it's pretty sad. Right?

But then, what was happy to me is

well, first of all, I heard from the security guards, of course, after

I blogged. They were Mike, well, stuff is still going on. You

know, that's that's a cool story and everything.

But, you know, oftentimes at night Wendy we are

doing our rounds, you know, we will see

figures. And one guard told me about she

saw a woman, on her rounds, and she

would hear that woman, like, speaking, sometimes

loudly into her ears. And, there were

other security guards who actually chased a male figure,

down the hallway one night. They thought, you know, somebody had broken in,

so what they tried to do is head him off at the pass. So,

one security guard was chasing this so called intruder,

you know, through the hall and towards

a door, and then on the other end of the door was

another security guard waiting and that area is

all fenced in as well, so they thought, well, we've got this guy cornered,

but so the security guard that was chasing

this guy saw the door open and the security guard

on the other side saw the door open and then there was no

one. So, I mean, that was pretty

fun. But Mike favorite is

that, other employees who helped run the

tour had told stories

that after the brewery tour, they are, you know, just

making sure that, you know, all the tour guests, get to

the Miller Inn to have their complimentary beverages and and

leave the cave area successfully. And,

at one point, one witness, actually,

she was an employee there and and she quit her job after this

because she spotted a couple in the corner

smacking on each other And, she was like, oh,

hey, guys. The tour's over. You know, this way to the end to have

some free brewskis. And then they disappeared in

front of her eyes. So it's possible

and there aren't enough reports to have to be dead

if they're from Milwaukee and they're passing on the free bidder in order to

disappear. Let's know that they're obviously dead.

They're obviously dead. But, you know, the cool thing is

that, it seems these stories seem to

point to the possibility that these,

2 ill fated lovers have found each other again in the

afterlife and still frolic through the Miller Caves,

and do what they will. So I think that's that's

really a pleasant story. Some 40 and

fornication. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm not

sure about that, but there's they sure do like to to kiss in the corner.

So, I think that's that's kinda sweet.

And it's interesting to me because at first, you know,

like sometimes when I find stories, you know, I can watch myself go

through different reactions to the stories. Mike initially, when I

found it, I was like, oh, this is some cool Mike folklore,

and it's great that Milwaukee has this type of folklore just like

other cities. It's kinda legendary, kinda sweet and sappy.

Yeah. And then I was like, oh, wait a second.

There's something being experienced. And I thought, well,

maybe it's residual because of all the limestone and the stone tape theory

and perhaps, like, some of what happened there is

encoded. The love was so intense. That's the stone.

Right. That's the stone tape. That is just replaying like a

record. But then when you hear got like a record. That's like a

porno. But when you hear about

the, Mike, the security guards and their,

interactions and, it seems like

communication attempts, on the parts of the

spirits there, then it doesn't seem residual at

all. It seems like an intelligent haunting. So,

my my mind has has changed about what's

going on there, and, it seems to be maybe

2 intelligent spirits that, again, lingering in a place that they loved in

life. That's sweet. I guess that is a happy story, Allison.

Had to go through the sad to get there. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But somebody had to die, honestly. If if you're going through hell, keep going. There

you go. That's right. And maybe you get heaven on the other side.

You know, I've got a pretty happy story from Madison. And, this one I

think is interesting, specifically because it's

from my social study my high school social studies teacher.

And it's funny because I was looking for some different ghost stories and of North

Hall of the University of Wisconsin. So I was and I'd gotten a couple ghost

stories about North Hall, from, like, the 1800,

and I'll tell that in a second. But then I I was looking through, like,

the University of Wisconsin Magazine for, like, the

alumni magazine, and they have a,

like, readers could send in their own ghost stories. And so one of the

ghost stories is from a security guard, and as I'm going down, it says,

like, Tom Sobotki. And I'm Mike, oh, Sobotki is not a

very common name, and that's the name of my high school's teacher. And so I

looked it up. Absolutely. It was from him. And so I just thought it was

an interesting thing because he never sounded like he was interested in ghost stories when

we were probably in American history class, because it probably just didn't

come up. But the fact that he had his own ghost story and that he

got it into the alumni magazine, I thought that was a lot of fun. So

let me give you a little background North Hall. It was the first building at

the University of Wisconsin, and it opened up in 18/51. The

famous naturalist John Muir, the founder of the Sierra Club, lived

there in 18/60 while he worked his way through college as a young man.

He even describes his first botany lesson under a tree outside this

hall as the inspiration for what set him, quote, flying to the

woods and meadows in wild enthusiasm, unquote.

In 18/80, North Hall was a men's dorm, and strange figures were said

to have been roaming the halls for years by that point. In the student

newspaper that year, it mentions a student waking up in the middle of night in

a second floor room. As he entered the hallway, he saw what was described as

an apparition in white. He ran back to his room to grab his roommate,

but when they went to investigate, there was nothing there. Later, when they fell back

asleep, they both woke up when they said it entered their room for a moment

and left. And, after that, the ghost was seen in different

buildings on campus over the next few nights skipping through the halls and

vanishing and wearing garments of unearthly whiteness.

I thought that I was unearthly white. Right? But,

I guess not as much as this guy. And so after that,

John Bascom and the the hill that actually universe

that, North Hall is on is called Bascom Hill. This is before it

was called Bascom Hill. He hadn't had anything named after him yet. But John

Bascom was a university president, and he decided to get together some

faculty and investigate themselves. So the president of the university did a ghost

hunt That's cool. In 18/80. But,

a little after, a student named Samuel Whitney Trousdale had confessed

that he was the spirit dressing in a bedsheet and wanting to do

the ghost. In

addition to being excellent with bleaching his whites, Trousdale would

later go on to become one of the most influential Methodist ministers of Wisconsin.

But when you look him up, you have to go to the Wisconsin State Journal

in 18/88, and he talks about his quote ghostly

confession, unquote. So we get to my my

teacher. We'll go back to March 1983, and

so we're now getting the way back machine. March 1983.

Allison, you were 13 at the time, so you

probably had do you have a jean jacket yet?

I don't know. I don't I don't remember a lot about that

timeline. Did you have a perm yet? I I'm sure I had a

perm. I was sure I had a perm. And and for him Burt Reynolds. Yeah.

Sure. Oh, yeah. And Burt

Reynolds. She was a pick up. Burt Reynolds.

I never Mike Burt Reynolds. March

1983. Now the security officer is making his rounds at

around 3 AM, obviously, the devil's hour,

and he sees a heavy fire door open by itself when there's no one

there. As he continues down the hallway, he feels like someone's

traveling with him. The air is moving. The temperature drops. And

he said, he used to work at Wendy's. Yeah. And

not not our not our Wendy's, but Wendy's with the hamburgers or whatever. And

he said that he right. He said the temperature drop

was like being at the meat locker at at Wendy's. Wow.

And so right. And that's that's a serious temperature drop. At

first, he's afraid to tell his coworkers about the experience. But when he

finally actually tells somebody from the maintenance crew, if you know? And he

kinda coaches it as, have you guys ever seen anything, you know, weird around here?

He said they were all like, oh, yeah. So you've seen the ghost now? Nice.

Oh, wow. They told him it was a political science professor

who died late one Saturday night of a heart attack in 1956.

He worked in room 412, and sometimes he's seen following

the workers, down the staircase, if if they leave his, like,

office door open. After they're done cleaning or whatever,

they've seen him come down the staircase and have to go back up and, like,

close the door. Or they saw like, they they see him, like,

walking through the hall, like, past the custodians mopping

the floor. So the next night, my teacher, this is a

security guard in 1983 when Allison had a perm, was working in North

Hall again, and he approaches room 412, and he

says, it's just security professor. All is well. Good night.

And he said he never had an experience that was scary again.

He even That's awesome. What's funny is that in the letter to On Wisconsin

Magazine, he even writes in. He says, I would send an affidavit

to this story's veracity. Wow. So,

like, right now, you can't even get people to, like, attach their name to something

when they see a weird light in the sky. He's like, I will sign an

affidavit to its veracity. I mean, probably because, like, he's not

worried about losing his job because I think he's a retired he is retired now.

Well, that's when the good stuff comes out, though. It

that's always after people retire. To your elders.

There's nothing to lose. So Yeah. Your elders

are all all have the great stories, and

they remember history. So talk to your elders. You have a

lot of opportunities to do that now. Mhmm. I just thought it was interesting. I

just thought it was funny, that I'm looking through, Mike, oh my god. That's my

teacher. And then the funny thing is then I think I Facebook,

messaged him or something, And I saw him again that

he was having some kind of because so he's I mean,

my old social study teacher, he was Mike the head of the teachers

union at in Mukwonago where he grew up or whatever. And so, he

was a little, you know, a little to the left of chairman Mike. And we

saw him I saw him Facebook arguing with, one

of our past guests, Scottie Roberts, over some

political thing. And it was like a really it was a really fun I mean,

Scott is just a nice guy. They're both really nice guys, but it was the

funny thing that they knew each other. They were actually having a very civil discussion

on Facebook, which I was surprised at. But the fact that my old

teacher had a ghost story and knows a guy who we

only know through ghost stories and paranormal stuff,

made me feel that, it's a small world after

all. It's a small world after all. And you were

criticizing baby shark earlier. Oh, I know. I know. Yeah. I'm

gonna torture you people. Okay. So I have to interject here, though.

I have to tell a story about John Muir that's supernatural

and positive. It has a very happy ending. Oh. So you're gonna

talk about John Muir who's who's very, very

famous conservationist. And he originally came from

Scotland, but he, grew up Awkwardy.

Yes. I'm here to conserve some birds. He grew

up in Wisconsin and became, like, kind

of this cool, like, weird inventor guy. Like, he reminds me

of, Wallace from Wallace and Gromit. Like, some of

his inventions. Like, he had, an invention

that would wake him up in the morning by, like, catapulting him out of

bed. That's actually an invention that is

is, you know, described through animation in one of

the Wallace and Gromit cartoons. So that's, you know, when I

picture John Muir, I I picture Wallace. Anyway,

so he, would live in Wisconsin for a

while and go to the University of

at Madison, but then he left, of course,

for, the Sierras. And, he

is quite famous for, getting,

Teddy Roosevelt to establish the national parks

by getting him, him to go hiking and camping with him. They

had to have an armrest, Walt, didn't they? Can't you just imagine, like, Teddy Teddy

Roosevelt's like, sure. I'll do it, but you gotta beat me in a, you know,

beat me in a set of fisticuffs. That's right. But anyway,

John Muir was a big Scottish guy, so he was ready to put up the

dukes. You know what I mean? You'd like a Glasgow kiss, would you,

Teddy? Yes. So they understood each other. Kind

of like Klingons. But anyway, so,

he was in his first summer in the Sierras,

just walking amongst the trees one day,

and he he got this message in

his brain, just out of nowhere, Mike,

something that had never happened to him, before

that he he got this message in his mind that

his old professor was down in the valley and in

distress. So he followed

that crazy notion and just looked all

around the valley, which is you know a vast

area, and then finds his

professor, who was quite elderly at that point and decided to

take a walk through the valley, but then, you know, got

lost and a little bit injured and dehydrated

and was wandering around aimlessly. And so he found

his professor, his old professor from,

UW Madison and retrieved him and took him to

safety. So, I mean, this was

really bizarre to think that John Muir is just walking among

the Sierras and gets this psychic magic beamed into the

head. Love it. And then he went out there and saved his professor's

life. This is actually in, John Muir wrote about it in

his biography. So, it is

a true story and a very weird one that he didn't know how to

explain himself. I love it. And that's a that'd be great.

We Mike sure we, tell Lisa that one so when she does the UW campus

tour, she can also tie that into John Muir who had a, you know,

a vision, you know, the majesty of nature on Baskin Hill when he

was sitting outside North Hall eventually had a real vision that saved his

professor's life from the University of Wisconsin. Right. I'll send her that today after we

get done. You know, the the thing is the thing is is that people don't

understand about the University of Wisconsin is that all alumni are

psychic. Oh, is that so, like

Yeah. So Wendy and I can read your mind. Uh-oh.

I better stop thinking about that then. Say Wendy can read your mind. So,

oh Mike gosh. Woah. We're no longer we're no longer thousand.

We are no longer friends. Well, I

I just on the idea of of helpful spirits, a short one,

Joyce Heizer is a, somebody I know. She was the, the

lead actress in just one of the guys that, like, 19

eighties kind of rom com teen comedy. And,

she I remember just one of the guys. Yeah. Yeah. Just one of the guys.

He was one of the guys. The, the Yeah. Kinda sorta guy.

And, she grew up in the New England area in this old, old house.

And one day, she was on the 2nd floor,

just on her own, and somebody shared a a knock at the door.

And, it took her a while to realize that, oh, gosh. I'm the only one

home. I gotta go answer that. So she goes running on this,

hardwood floor and slips on the top step,

and she just banana peels as she's running down the stairs.

And she said she finds herself literally upside down

falling, Nightmare. Assumingly about to break her

neck, and she feels 2 hands grab her by the

shoulders. 2 phantom hands grab her by the shoulders, pick her

up, and set her back down on her feet at the base of the the

staircase. She said a ghost saved her life. And

yeah. So there are good protective spirits out there. There. We can say

guardian angel, ghost, whatever you wanna say. It's something paranormal saved her

life. That's awesome. Yeah. That's amazing. That's pretty good.

And, I mean, that's the most comforting idea of all, I

think, is that, you know, just like in the spiritualist church hey,

and guys, the spiritualist church still exists. You know,

people just think of, you know, spiritualism in the 19th

century, but, spiritualist churches are still there

today, and, you know, they believe in

lots of the standard Christian dogma, but they also

believe that, you know, these spirits of those who have gone

before are still with us. And many other cultures,

like, I was just in Hawaii, many other

cultures share that belief that the spirits of our ancestors,

are still there protecting us and

still, you know, watching you in the shower, unfortunately,

but also there to save your life when you need it. Sorry, grandma.

It's like, you gotta put on a show. You know? Yeah. That's right. Like, we

gotta see something interesting. Come on. It's eternity,

people. I wanted I wanted to bring this up when Wendy was talking about haunted

instruments. And this isn't necessarily a ghost story, but this is

more of just something that I thought was neat. Was that, at

NAMM in 2016, NAMM is the, National Association of

Music Merchants, and they have a big convention in Anaheim every January.

And that's where they show off, like, the newest kind of music technology. In

2016, I went there and, it had, like, a modern update of a player

piano. And it doesn't sound like a player panel like in the old west movies.

Mike, it, it was this beautiful

sound, and the keys were moving and everything. And I I I

even blogged about it on the see another side blog because I thought it was

so interesting that what they did was there's a Canadian jazz

pianist by the name of Oscar Peterson, and that player

piano recreates 12 of his performances exactly like he was playing

it in front of you. There's only a few of the instruments in the world,

that they built to do that. And so,

like, they recreated his performance perfectly. They recorded

him, you know, doing a, you know, doing a piece and

Mike the like how hard he pressed the keys.

You know, every every single thing was captured perfectly by the

piano, and then I can play it right back for you

exactly like how he did. So when we talk about the stone tape

theory recording something that, you know, the walls can record things

Mike a like a vinyl record, you know, they've done that now in real life.

With computers. Right. So That's cool. When you're when

you're listening to, that piano, you are listening to

the ghost, a digital ghost, of Oscar Peterson

playing you one of his final performances.

So, just you made me think about that Wendy when you were talking about it

because I was like, oh, yeah. Like, you know, the phantom drum

solos or whatever. Like, we can we're going to have

those. You know? Think of all of the you know, think about all the

if Neil Peart ever played a v drum set, like, they

can go back and, like, lick the the midi recording.

You know, it's a it's a perfect recording that they can recreate in any other

instrument then. And so that's something cool. I

always think, the piano ghost stories are interesting too because

there's so many different ways of the piano,

like, manifesting the sound. In some stories, people

hear a full song being played, like, up

in Penbine where we were Oh, yeah. Yeah. At the Four Seasons,

up in Wendy in Northern Wisconsin, actually, almost Northern

Michigan, there's a place that has a story about a phantom piano

music being heard. And there is a piano, but, what they hear

is, like, you know, they hear music from the next room or in that room,

but it's not the keys aren't moving. So it's just the sound that's

being, like, replayed somehow. And then in other cases,

you'll hear ghost investigations where they'll actually, like, see the key moving

or something. And then in other cases, they'll they'll hear the

strings being hit inside the piano, but the, you

know, the keys aren't moving. So it's just interesting how spirits find a different way

to to share that Communicate. Sound. Yes.

Well, you know, speaking of a ghost investigation, Bart just said he's

like, automations and automatons are awesome. He's like, like

the ones that Wisconsin's own House on the Rock.

Now I think House on the Rock is a place where we should do a

ghost investigation. That would be cool. Yes. We'll get Neil Gaiman to

join us, and it'll be awesome. Right.

Alright. Who's got another happy ghost story for us? I'll do one more.

This is from my book. It's Chicago area 1. I don't know if anybody's ever

been to Cavalry Cemetery in Evanston, but it is just one of the most

beautiful cemeteries in in I don't know that I've ever been to.

Shout out to Charles Kamisky who founded the White Sox. He's buried there. But

it is just a very grand it's kinda like a a Graceland

Cemetery or a rose Rose Hill Cemetery if you know the Chicago area where it's

kind of it feels more like a museum of amazing,

history and, just funerary art.

But one one person that is, apparently resting there

is someone that is not buried there. How may you

may ask? How? How? Do tell. How? They're all

I'll ask. In the, in the area w

w two, the, the navy used, Lake Michigan a lot

for all sorts of different training exercises since it is such a huge,

vast, body of water, including they would have

these these kind of makeshift, if you will,

aircraft carriers out there to train pilots how to land and take off on

that small of a runway. And I was able to verify that indeed

this is something that took place out there at that time. And, of course, you're

training. Not everybody is going to sic the landing, and,

unfortunately, there were casualties. People that pilots that

are still in their planes, interred

in Lake Michigan. So for a while, after apparently one of

these people, passed away this way, people would see,

a a a spectral form of someone struggling out in the water.

Like, they're drowning. They're trying to get help, and they

would sink down, wouldn't see him. And then eventually, they he would

reemerge, crawling up the this rocky shoreline of Lake

Michigan, and then he would walk up and across Sheridan Road, which

is a 4 lane street, fairly busy street,

and cars would stop or swerve to get out of the way, and then

he would get to the gates of Calvary Cemetery. And this was

usually in sunset or later. So the gates would be

closed, and he would just pace back and forth until eventually, fading

away. Well, as the story goes, this was a very regular occurrence,

in this area for a while after, the this person passed

away. Until one night, the groundskeeper forgot to lock up and he

left the gates open. And the the aviator or seaweed

Charlie as some people have nicknamed him had never been seen since that time.

Yeah. So he's never been seen since that time that the gates were accidentally

left open. Oh, no. So it's Mike he

was able to finally go into the cemetery and find his own peace.

How many times did he have to, like, did he have to cross

the road? So, like, did he was at, like, Frogger? You know, imagine, like, crossing

a 4 lane highway. Like, every time he get some he got hit, the ghost

got hit. He had to go back to the sea and start again. Oh, it

is eternity, Mike. So Yeah. He's got a little bit of time. What's the

rush? No. That's that's Mike Tantalus, though. Oh,

no. That's Mike Sisyphus the boulder. Sisyphus Yeah. And the and

the rock to roll it up the hill. Well, he rolled it all the way

up. Yeah. He made it to the end. That's the that's that is a happy

ending because he finally his torment or whatever being stuck in the

water, he finally got out and, made it into

his eternal grave. And, you know, just from a theoretical

standpoint, let's say because, you know, this could be folklore. Allegedly, there are scores of

witnesses that have seen this through the years, again, a while ago. But, you know,

scores of witnesses that have seen this through the years again a while ago. But,

you know, you you think of ghosts Mike, well, they can walk through walls and

they, you know, they they're not bound by these physical limitations.

But first off, we don't know the rules. We we just think we're guessing here.

But, also, maybe there is something special about this this consecrated ground and

if the gates are closed, well, that's a spiritual sign to just stay out for

right now. But, fortunately, he was able to get in.

Aw. Good for him. That's nice. Bart also mentioned

the Eastland disaster. Yeah. And he's Mike the Eastland that

lost 844 passengers.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I responded at least because some estimate,

estimates have 888 or more. We don't really know because

so this is, this, was taking place in the 19 teens. I'm I'm a

little bit, fuzzy at the moment. But, yeah, it was supposed to be a

cruise ship that would take all of these, company people

and their families on this trip to Michigan City,

Indiana, and it was a very long narrow steamer.

And as people were getting on, you're you're releasing ballast to try to keep

the boat balanced. And eventually and we don't really know what it is. There's

different theories, but for some reason, something happened on one side of the ship that

got everybody's attention. So they all rushed over after a lot of ballast has

been, released. So the the ship just rolled

over right there while it was moored in the Chicago River and not that much

water, but a lot of people were below deck. And so, I

mean, people that were on the surface, they maybe didn't know how to swim and

people passed away there. But, untold, hundreds of people

were below deck and enough ship filled with water, and

they could not get out. So, yes, we have, an unbelievable

amount of loss of life in that one space. And it's

really amazing because today, people observe,

sometimes screams or, again, like residual hauntings of people

asking for help from the water. One thing that I find

fascinating is, Harpo Studios. A lot of places were set up

as makeshift morgues, and Oprah's Harpo Studios was one such

place. And Before Harper was the well, before the Oprah was the

first one who jumped in to save lives. There we Let's just let's just speak

to him. Can't she do? Was Mike she's like, you get you

don't drown it. You don't drown it. You don't drown it. You don't drown it.

You don't drown it. You don't drown it. You don't drown it. You don't drown

it. You don't drown it. For you. You get a life jacket. You

get a life jacket. You get a life jacket. But she apparently and I I

still need to find this, but she apparently did a Halloween special that talked about

ghost stories, and they did an in-depth look at the

hauntings there at Harpo, including what people would hear is

100 upon 100 of people slowly walking through the halls when no one was there.

Oh, no. And it's theoretically a residual haunting, not

of anybody dead, but of survivors coming to try to find this

Oh, god. You know, we're not we we've we've strayed away from the, the happy

ghost stories here. And on a nice I'm a good state. Story about the hundreds

of people drowning Yeah. Not being don't be safe. But I I remember

hearing about the Harpo, like, on the original Chicago ghost tour with Richard

Crow. Like, he talked about the the ghost stories at Harpo Studios.

Absolutely. The Eastland disaster makes me think about that lady Elgin

that you talk about in the Milwaukee ghost tour, Allison, but that also isn't a

happy story. Right? No. No. No. It's it's not not a happy story, but I

can, I can reroute us? I mean, we never, really

talked about the Milwaukee public museum, and their happy

ghost story, which of course admittedly

starts out sad. We had our own Indiana Jones here

before the, character of Indiana Jones was even

imagined. There was a man, named Stephen

Borhaughey and Well, actually, I wanna take that back.

But but that the character Indiana Jones was even imagined

because I think that Steven Spielberg said

that he got the inspiration for Indiana Jones from a character that Charlton

Heston played in, like, the greatest show on earth. And the only reason I'm

saying that is because I And what year was that, Mike? Like,

1951. Okay. Alright. Well, you pre you

may precede me then. No. The only reason I wanted to say that though is

I wonder if Stephen Borhage was also influenced by that

film and that's, like, Charlton Heston and the adventurer look and stuff

like that, and that inspired him in his own life. I'm not I I was

I was Likely. Because, he was a baron from Hungary.

So, he actually he actually fought Nazis,

on horseback and was an avid fencer. And

then later became an archaeologist and came to Milwaukee

and was the director of the museum here from,

the Milwaukee Public Museum from 1959 to 1969.

And he had a a thick, Hungarian

accent, and was quite

an unusual character. He was like

our Indiana Jones in a way because he would travel

all around the world, retrieving artifacts, for the

museum. And, he also had a

lot of idiosyncrasies about him, like, upon meeting a

woman instead of shaking her hand, he would elegantly kiss her

hand. And he would also for the next couple weeks,

folks. Yes. No hand kissing or other checking. You know,

social distancing, people. Social distancing. Don't give no

Emil a caves greeting. Yes. He would he would kiss their

hands. He would also, instead of wearing a

winter coat, he he favored wearing a long

black, cape that would stream behind

him. So he was a very interesting personality,

and everybody really loved him at the Milwaukee Public Museum.

And even though he was a baron, everybody just you know, he's he's he's

baron Stefan de Borhegui, but everybody just called him

Steve. And Hungarian barons. They're just like us. Right,

guys? Right. So everybody just called him Steve, and

he was a joker. But then, unfortunately,

fate intervened, and he died in a car

crash on his way to work, in

1969, September 26, 1969. On his

way to work, he perished in a car crash. So

that's not very happy, but soon after his death,

his ghost was experienced at the museum.

And, at first, he was experienced on the elevator,

where the elevator was mysteriously, returning to

the 3rd floor, where all his collections are housed, or the

4th floor where he had his offices. So it seems

like he has this, supernatural work ethic where he keeps

returning to work. But, for him, it was a joyful

place. And he also, as I mentioned, try would play

pranks on people. So, the security guards

will, often report, you know, hearing, like,

laughter from the 3rd floor or the 3rd floor mezzanine.

And they will sometimes report, smelling,

pipe smoke, which he was very fond of, you know, wearing tweed

blazers and smoking a pipe and, you know, looking very professor y

as you did at that time. And, but they'll also see a

dark figure, rushing by on the 3rd floor

wearing a long black cape. And, there was actually

someone who was a contractor at the museum who was

contracted to, make a replica of a stone

Mayan wall. And, of course, that took a lot of work, I

mean, to fit the fit the fiberglass,

in such a way so it would be a good model

for the incredible Mayan stonework of

history. So he was putting

those stones up and he got to the last stone

and he was just so happy to stand back and

survey his work that he left and he took a little break and then he

came back and that stupid final stone was

on the ground. And he was like, well, maybe I was a little

hasty. I'm gonna take some more time with it, make sure I really

get it fixed in the right way this time. And

then, he was happy with his work. It was, you know, the

end of the day. He left for the night. He returned early in the morning,

though, before the museum would open to make sure everything was just

as he had left it. And, of course, he found that that

final stone on the ground again, at which point he screamed

out, in just consternation.

I mean, he was really upset that, for some reason, that that

final stone would not stay affixed. And as he did that, he

heard this, uproarious

laughter coming from down the hall,

on the 3rd floor mezzanine. And, of course, he thought that

maybe it was one of his coworkers playing a prank, and so he

marched off, looking to give this person a piece of his

Mike. But it wasn't any current coworker

anyway. He Wendy around the corner and

he saw this shadowy figure in a long black

cape laughing at him. And as he

stood there, you know, paralyzed with with fear, watched

this figure, well, as this figure turn

and, pass, this ornate,

gold case with artifacts, golden artifacts in

it. And as this figure passed, the corner

there, he saw it dematerialize. And, you

know, this is something that this person will remember for the rest of their

lives. So, you know, certainly, something

is going on there. Other security guards have

reported that, certain

motion sensors will go off and they

will they will follow the motion sensors

as they trigger. And then, of course, nobody's ever found triggering

those motion sensors. So apparently, Borhegg is still with

us and, you know, still with us in such a way

that that he likes to get people's attention and play pranks on them

and and have a good laugh. So even from the beyond,

he's out there enjoying himself and

spending more time in the institution that he

built and loved in life. Alright. Well, way to way to turn that

around, Allison, from, the, you know, the

countless death in the Oprah studio to Thanks, Bart. An

exciting Indiana Jones ish Milwaukee ghost. So good job. Right.

Life goes on. Yes. I'm bringing I'm bringing

that around. And I think that takes us, to the end of our happy

ghost stories episode. And now if people are

interested in hearing some more of Scott's stories, where can they find that

info, Scott? What's your ghost story dot com is the best place to go. And,

Allison, if people want to read some of your writing,

I mean, if they really want to, where would

they find you? Well, I mean, they can they can definitely, take

one of the American Ghost Wax tours when they begin running

again, but they can, find my writing,

on, the mysterious universe website, but also watch some

videos. I've been places. I've done videos.

I put them up on YouTube, and I've also done Oh, she's done

videos. Hey. I'm also

yes. I've done videos, thoughtful videos, Mike. Something

you should try once in a while. Alright. Fair enough. Dusting off that noggin. But

anyway, check those out and check out my paranormal interviews

at, youtube.com/mothman.

Oh, that sounds like fun. And, Wendy, where can people find our fun

paranormal songs? Oh, you can find them all at othersidepodcast.com.

You there's, 288

episodes to listen to if you're bored, if you're sitting at home and curious

about the paranormal. And every single episode has an original

sunspot song at the Wendy, so you can check that out. Or you can also

check out sunspotuniverse.com and, find

the full Sunspot catalog. Sounds

good. Alright. Well, I hope that everybody has an

awesome week. You know, I think we should probably do this again before the lockdown

ends because it was a lot of fun. And next time, we'll have a different

theme for the ghost stories, and we'll bring you some more fun paranormal

stuff, from American Ghost Walks and see you on the other side.

Also, anybody interested in taking a American

ghost walk, We know they're not running right now, and, you

know, that makes daddy sad, but they are coming back

soon. And, we got a deal right now that every ghost walk is $15.

What? And that that you could you could use them. Yes. Unbelievable. Every ghost

walk is only $15, and that even includes the locations that would

be more expensive. But That's a bargain. The price in Wisconsin, the

20. But if you get them now, you can use them anytime in the future

and for any tour anywhere that American Ghost Walks runs for $15.

So I just wanna say it's kind of a good deal on americangostwalks.com has

little fist as buy gift certificates where you can find that. So, Wendy, you

had one more thing before we sign up? I just wanted to say that if

anyone has a happy ghost story that they'd like to share with us, and then,

we can share it next Mike, or I guess it doesn't have to be happy,

but if you have any unique stories of your own that,

we'd love to hear them. So feel free to send those to us either through

the CU on the Other Side Facebook page or us

individually on Facebook since that's where you're watching or, email us

at show at otherside podcast dot com, Twitter at

otherside talk. What else? And and, of course, Patreons can tell us directly at

the next Google Hangout. Yes. Which is coming up very soon. Yep. That sounds

good. We love all your ghost stories, be they

horrible and sad or happy

because all ghost stories ultimately are

positive because you learn something and you remember someone.

And they're fun. I think ghost stories are positive because

they show you that you will be remembered. You will not be

forgotten. Yeah. And connecting us to history is always a Unless it's the

ghost that wants to kill you. Well, there's that. Or if it's got a drum

a drummer ghost that's just playing drum solos in my ear all the time.

Well, there are exceptions to every rule. Perfect.

Alright. Well, thank you for everybody who joined us in the live feed. We had

a really good time talking for you, and we'll do it again soon. Check out

Scott, what's your ghost story dot com. Wendy and I at other Mike podcast dot

com. Allison, you can take her ghost to moikigost.com, and she wrote a

couple of brilliant tours right there, and you can find her writing at mysteriousuniverse.org.

And we'll see all of you guys on the other side.

Ghost stories are often meant to scare and shock, and those are awesome, but

they don't have to always be that way. As Allison said, ghost stories

mean there's an afterlife. And when there's life, there's hope. So for this week's

song, we wanted to play the heaviest, meanest song we could think of with the

nicest lyrics we could think of. So here's Sunspot with

happy.

Day,

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

Mike. See you on the other side. Before we sign

off completely, I wanna take a moment to thank our Patreon members

who make it possible for us to produce this show. And an extra special thanks

to doctor Ned who is an executive producer of See You on the Other

Side. He contributes to the Patreon at the level that he gets this extra shout

every single episode. And we truly appreciate your support, Ned, and we

appreciate all of our Patreon members. Thank you so much. If you'd like

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donate, and you can be part of the fun too. Take care everybody, and have

a great week.

You know they have to be dead if they're from Milwaukee and

they're passing up free beer in order to disappear. Like, you

know that they're obviously dead.