Laura Richards spent 32 years married to a covert narcissist — someone who looked like “the nice guy” to everyone outside the marriage while quietly breaking her down inside it. After her divorce, she became a bestselling author (“Married to a Nice Guy,” “You’re Not Crazy”), podcaster, and coach helping other women recognize the same patterns she lived through.

In this conversation, Laura and Greg dig into:

• How covert narcissism hides in plain sight — generous and well-liked in public, cold and controlling at home
• Trauma bonding and the “breadcrumb” cycle that keeps people hoping things will change
• Gaslighting in real, everyday moments — not just dramatic ones
• The subtle ways partners get isolated from friends and family
• Why “could you live like this for the rest of your life?” is the only question that matters
• What to do first if this is resonating — and why a trauma-informed therapist matters
• How to leave safely: quiet, strategic, and on your own terms

Laura’s full library of books, coaching, community, and resources is at thatswhereimatpodcast.com.