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We chat about the news, LEGO Saturn V progress, Stuart Fails to Save the Universe, and a bunch of home video game products that just didn't make it.
Hosts: William Sikkens, Bill Snodgrass, and Gretchen Winkler
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Welcome to
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User Friendly 2.0 with host Bill Sikkens,
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Technology architect.
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And this is User Friendly 2.0.
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Welcome.
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Welcome to this week's show. Bill.
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Gretchen. Welcome, blue. Hello there.
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So we sort of got to go to the Oregon
Air Show.
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We're going to be talking about that
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a little bit in a news item
that's coming up this week.
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And our second segment
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this week is some programing
that you have been asking questions for.
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We're going to be covering
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video game consoles specifically some
that have failed and why over the years.
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So that's coming up in our second segment.
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So with no further ado,
let's jump into the news.
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What do we have this week?
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All right.
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Our graphic card rentals a thing.
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You know, this is a question
that's been coming in.
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And the thing of it is is
I don't know Bill.
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How much is a average graphic
a good gaming graphics card.
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Now it's still a couple grand, right?
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Yeah, easily.
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So the idea of running graphic cards
kind of makes sense.
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So if you're buying a computer,
the graphics card can cost
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more than the system itself.
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So what we're talking about here,
for anybody that's not into gaming
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or hasn't heard of this, is
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when you have a have a computer, modern
computer, one of the components that's in
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it is a separate processor
that does your video.
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And this has been done for a while.
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This is not new technology
or anything like it,
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the idea being that it's taking the load
of doing video off of the main processor
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and setting up in a way
that you can get a lot more out of it
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because it's its own thing.
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So the quality of this additional device,
this additional graphics processor,
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allows for the computer to do more
or less, depending on what it is.
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So if you have a machine
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that you're just using what most people do
or you're browsing the web,
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sending emails, writing word
processing documents, that kind of thing,
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you have a situation
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where you don't really need that expensive
of a graphic card to carry all that out.
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Most of the ones on the market
now will handle your windows,
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whether it's a PC or Mac,
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drawing out the screens, doing all that
kind of stuff in a fast, timely way.
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That's pretty normal.
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But gamers require additional hardware.
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And Bill,
you know a little bit more about that.
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Can you talk polygons and a little bit
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of what a game graphic card
does that differs from standard graphics?
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Well, it also does physics, so it does
math.
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It also does,
like you said, rendering for polygons,
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which by today's
standards are huge numbers.
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And to some degree
I understand that the new video cards
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also handle AI.
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Yeah, that's a that's an upcoming thing.
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That's that's been in there.
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And so what you're dealing with
is powerful computer
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hardware and powerful computer
hardware costs money.
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It's kind of what it comes down to.
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And Bill, you've touched upon AI.
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One of the other things is graphic cards
in of themselves are repurposed.
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And sometimes the train AI models,
and also for things like Bitcoin mining.
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So that's also been running prices
up to because of supply and demand.
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So when you're talking about something
that's two grand or more,
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the idea of renting,
that kind of makes sense.
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But then I'm thinking is, well,
if I rented a graphic card and paid,
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you know, for a
certain amount of time on it,
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you know, and got this thing, and
what happens if you don't send it back?
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You've got a huge thing.
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Well, that's not what this actually is.
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Companies are renting out
GPO compute time,
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not sending you the card in the mail,
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which means you're renting time
on a server somewhere to be able
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to use the graphic capability
on that machine in a timeshare.
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Yeah.
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How does that work?
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Wouldn't you have some lag time from.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Okay. You understand what I'm getting at?
Because you have.
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Yeah.
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No, that definitely is a claim
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because you'd be receiving
the video feed remotely and stuff.
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However, with higher speed
internet connections and things, that's
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becoming minimal.
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It's not gone
by any stretch of the imagination, but
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it's suitable enough that in certain
situations it's worth doing.
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So you connect the server
over the internet
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and you pay for access
by the second minute, or our,
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depending on what you're doing.
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Some of the companies that are doing this
or companies like run, podcast,
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AI, code, weave and others
that provide the service.
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And so you would go out
and basically pay for this time share.
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And again, what's really pushing
the price up of these things is AI,
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because it's taking the hardware
that would normally be used in this way
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and using it for another purpose
with companies that have
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sometimes unlimited budgets
so they buy up the stock.
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Not that the graphic cards would be cheap
anyway, but it just is a thing.
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And then the other place, Bill, you were
talking about some of the applications.
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We're also seeing this in things
like physics labs and those kind of areas
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where they have 3D rendering,
computational computing
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of that nature, putting together designs.
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Gretchen and area
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you worked with AutoCAD
that uses a lot of these hiring cards too.
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So you have a thing
where you supply and demand.
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So that's what's going on here.
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So you know the highest in graphic cards
by the way can run 20,000 plus.
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So it's not just yeah. And
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consumer oriented cards
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which are like your Raytheon RTX 3990.
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Those kind of numbers, those
go for about $0.69 an hour.
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So it gives you an idea of
what is going on with all of that
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and where this goes.
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So if you need a GPU for only 20 hours,
it makes sense to maybe do it this way.
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And it's not necessarily for gaming,
but it could be.
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So, you know, there's even an Airbnb
ish version of this.
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This is vast AI's model. And
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you, they make the machines available
so different
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operators can do it, and then customers
can rent out the capacity.
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So in other words, it'd be like
the three of us would put up a server
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with one of these monster cards
and pay for it.
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And then we would go through this company
where they would have customers
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that would rent time on our systems,
kind of like an Airbnb.
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Okay.
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Weird.
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Okay.
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Used booksellers are racking up
huge sales.
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Yeah. And, you know,
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I was looking at this too,
and it's kind of interesting.
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And it wasn't because I
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somehow knew about this,
but I've been going through
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and cleaning out some things
and put a box of used books up on eBay,
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which normally take a while to sell,
and it was gone within two hours,
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and it was just random books,
and I didn't even think about it.
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I was just like,
oh great, I don't need these anymore.
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And they sold
and they sold for a decent amount.
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It wasn't like it was $0.10
on the dollar or something.
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And then I got this article, Gretchen,
that I think you found. Yes.
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And being reported by Gizmodo.
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Mike Peril is the writer of this.
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And basically what's going on here
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is you have a situation
and I can only speak to this as a layman,
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not as like a legal thing,
but from my understanding of this,
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what's going on
here is companies that are training
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large language models or
AI models were using copyrighted material,
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and there's been some kind of a court
decision saying, well, you can't do that
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illegally
unless you have a right to do that.
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However, if you own the work,
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the fair use doctrine
allows you to use it for this purpose.
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So what's happening is used
books are being bought all over the world.
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They're slicing the spines off, scanning
the men, destroying the original copy
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because you can only have one copy legally
and then using that to train the model.
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So if somebody that's a bit of a book
lover, that makes me shudder a little bit,
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and it also makes me worried that
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what if these are historical
things that they've grabbed
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that are extremely rare
and they're destroying it?
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Yeah. And that's what's happening.
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Yeah.
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I've seen a few other things about this.
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It's it's quite bad.
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But what have you seen Bill,
that's beyond kind of the headline here
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basically that I believe
it was one of the bigger ones.
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I'm not going to say which one
because I can't remember completely,
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but it was in one of their rows about
what did they call it,
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destructive cultivation
or something like that.
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Yeah, yeah, I haven't heard that term,
but that makes sense.
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But it was basically that it was
they were destroying books
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to feed their machines
and it was disgusting.
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And there was an interview
on this carried by the BBC,
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this little outside of the initial article
we're talking on here,
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where there was a bookseller,
I believe, in London
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that was talking about this,
and he's saying, you know, he's trying to
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look at this from a standpoint that
if it's books these people are buying,
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that there's a lot of copies of them,
you know,
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like The Da Vinci Code or something
that's been mass produced.
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That's one thing, you know.
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Yeah, one copy of that.
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It's not going to be a big deal
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for even some of the rare books,
like, say, you have a textbook
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where only 100 were made
and 75 are in libraries.
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That's still not such a big deal.
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But some other things
where there have been destruction of very,
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very rare books
and that kind of a thing is a problem.
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And how do you can refuse to sell them,
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you know, in that case,
but then do you refuse to sell it?
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And if you're a bookstore, it's a problem.
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It's a problem.
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All right.
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This is a little happier.
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Guess what? NASA has a YouTube channel.
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I'm shocked.
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I'm absolutely I couldn't
I can't believe it.
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They have a YouTube channel.
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What's YouTube anyway?
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All right, stop being stupid.
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No, not 60,000 subscribers.
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They've got a little over
390 videos online.
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And the YouTube
channel has learned with NASA.
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And it's something kind of fun.
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We talk about NASA
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and some of their Stem projects
and other things that are going on.
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And it's cool
to actually think about this.
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And I think it's interesting
because obviously
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they would have a YouTube channel,
but it's not something that I would
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necessarily
have thought of right off the bat.
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No. Me neither.
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It makes sense.
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But you know, so
there's all kinds of stuff out there.
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Yeah. Check it out.
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YouTube learn with NASA
is the channel name, and it looks like
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they've got like little kid oriented stuff
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along with adult grown up,
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like a documentary type of of,
you know, films and stuff.
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So there's quite a variety. So.
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All right.
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Back on video cards.
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Nvidia to invest 1.5 billion
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in SB energy
under OpenAI data center deal.
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Yeah.
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So basically
that's kind of what the headline says.
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It's another investment
for more data centers.
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This has been somewhat controversial
as time goes by.
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In fact, a lot of pauses have been put
on data center development just because
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the electrical and water use
that's coming out of them.
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Not that a data center is a bad thing,
but what's happening
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is, is
the impact was not being considered.
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What was being considered
by a lot of places is the tax revenue
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that was going to come in
from building these places,
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and all of a sudden we've seen stuff
where power grids are failing,
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that kind of thing.
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But it makes sense in vedere like Bill,
like you were just saying
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as a maker of video cards, in fact,
the maker these days, pretty much
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of these chipsets, and of course
they're going to invest in something,
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they're selling their product.
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I mean, that just, you know,
follow the money. Right.
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So anyway, just another announcement
of what's going on here and.
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Errant drone delays, blue angels
demonstration
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at Oregon International air show.
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Yeah.
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So you and I had a chance to kind of
go see this this last week.
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Evergreen Air and Space Museum,
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which is across the street
from the airport where this is held in
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Oregon, was holding a watch party
and were members of the museum.
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So it was a lot of fun to go
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there and check it out
and also be able to check out the museum
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and stuff at the same time.
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Great day, great family day.
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But yeah, the apparently
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somebody was flying a drone
in the path of the Blue Angels.
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White. And this is a bad thing. Yeah.
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If you, you're, you're supposed to go
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and have like a training class
in order to fly a drone.
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I did it. You had me do one. Yeah, yeah.
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And it's so,
so what you're supposed to do from
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what Gretchen was just talking about
here, is a standpoint
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that there are places
where you can just fly a drone
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without a license, that they do exist,
and you can look online.
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There's an app shows you
where all this stuff is.
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But generally speaking,
you go through this process
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to get a recreational drone license,
and it's a pretty straightforward thing.
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You take an online
class, answer questions,
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and if you pass the test,
you get the license.
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And that's what Gretchen's talking about.
I did mine recently too.
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And one of the things is, is that you are
not supposed to fly drones near airports.
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And in the case of McMinnville,
which is where the organs
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where the show is held,
the municipal airport,
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the no fly zone for drones
is a five mile radius.
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And these create safety problems
and is somebody myself
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that likes to fly in the air,
you know, in the jet suits and things.
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You have to be careful because
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if you hit one of these things in a plane
or even your jetpack or whatever,
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you're in a situation where it can cause
a lot of damage, it can kill you.
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And it's
because these people are being in,
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you know, indiscriminate,
not following the law.
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And in this particular case,
the Blue Angels were doing demonstration
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flights at all three days of the show
Friday, Saturday, Sunday we saw them on.
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What was it, Gretchen? Sunday,
I think. Yeah.
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And when we were there and yeah,
they had to pause everything
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to get this individual and his drone
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out of the airspace from the airport
and be able to continue the air show.
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And by the way,
this isn't just a situation where it's
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causing inconvenience
or this type of a thing.
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The FAA, there's fines and all kinds
of other stuff for doing this.
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Your drone will be confiscated.
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You could be detained.
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Just don't do it in the app.
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You know, to be where it is.
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And if you want to fly around,
you know, jets
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and all kinds of other things in the air,
then get a jet pack and do it safely.
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You know,
they're also the test. It's free.
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Yeah. I didn't have to pay anything
to do the test.
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And the test teaches you
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what you need to know
as you're taking the test.
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Yeah.
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So it's a no brainer.
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You know, it's very easy.
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And then you understand.
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Hey, I'm supposed to, you know, be
very careful about where I fly this thing.
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Yeah.
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And and just a footnote on that,
because this has come up, is like Gretchen
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just said
it is to get a recreational drone license
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is something that doesn't cost any money
to register your drone afterwards.
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It's like five bucks
through the appropriate website.
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So if you go on and somebody's
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going to charge you to take this test
or the class or something like that,
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it's a scam. It is free.
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Now, if you're doing it
for commercial purposes,
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like you're going to photograph houses
for a realtor
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or wedding or something like that,
that's a completely different scenario.
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Yeah, recreational drone flying is free.
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Registering your drone,
I think in my case was $5.
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So it's just be careful.
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Rock raises 350
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million to fuel its
pivot from AI chips to neo cloud.
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So first question that came up about
this was
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are we talking grok or grok in the sense
of, yeah, that's what I was wondering.
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Rock. And no,
these are two entirely different things.
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Oh, so this isn't this isn't the weird
AI that that was on X. No.
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That's correct.
That's correct. Okay. Yeah.
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There are two different things.
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So what you're dealing with is one grok
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is a company and that's grok,
which is what we're talking about here.
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The grok from X is grok.
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Oh that's confusing or anything like that.
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Oh no not at all.
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But I thought maybe one of the,
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the grass had escaped from X
and decided to start its own business.
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Yeah.
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Yes and no.
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That's a that's a that's coming.
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That's a Skynet thing.
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And we'll talk about that later
when the A's allow us to do.
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I mean, that's not the case here.
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So so what is what is grok with a Q okay.
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Grok with a Q is a company okay.
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And they were doing some work
that Nvidia effectively absorbed.
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So they're reinventing themselves.
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And the investment firm
was called disruptive.
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That put this money up
350 million in new funding puts
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a market valuation of grok at about
3.5 billion.
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That's a lot of money. And
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the one thing
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about it is is a year ago
that company was valued at $6.9 billion.
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So you can see where
something like this decreases things.
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So a lot of money, but it's almost half.
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And so originally
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grok developed what it called an LP
or language processing unit.
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And it was specifically designed
to run AI.
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Quickly, you know, the interface.
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And it was being used as a teaching model,
training model and that kind of a thing.
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And then Nvidia came in
and kind of stole their lunch
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a little bit on that. So.
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So what's a neo cloud a neo cloud.
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Yeah. What's that.
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Well, okay.
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According to their press release,
instead of primarily making the AI
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chips, we'll provide the infrastructure
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that lets companies use AI computing
that's in the cloud.
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Oh, okay.
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Think about renting graphic cards.
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Now we're running AI space.
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Okay okay okay. So
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yeah.
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So they're building data centers
filled with AI accelerators
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and rent that computing capacity.
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The companies that don't want to spend
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the buildings on building their own
AI infrastructure.
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So that's what that is.
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They're operating 13 data centers across
North America, Europe and the Middle East,
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as well as Asia.
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And it says it serves more than 6 million
developers,
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enterprises with AI native companies.
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So there you are.
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All right.
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Investigators say unprecedented
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number of Apple users
received Spyware Alert.
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Now this is being reported by TechCrunch.
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And yeah,
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the Apple users are just getting bombarded
with spyware alerts.
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And that's something
I haven't experienced personally,
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because I do not have Apple products
that would be under
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this kind of a thing, but
they're having some problems with that.
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And is hacking continues to get worse.
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Over the weekend, Apple
sent out a new wave of notifications,
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and this went to customers
in 110 different countries
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and said that they had been targeted
with powerful spyware. So
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Apple sends these kind of
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alerts in batches to customers
they believe has been targeted.
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And this thing called mercenary spyware,
at least that's what they're dubbing.
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It is something where governments
are involved
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in the creation of the spyware
that's targeting their customers.
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And in the last few years,
not to this last event, but overall,
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Apple says it has learned people
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in more than 150 countries,
but 110 countries in this last batch.
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And that being the case, it's
something where I think
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definitely raising the
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you know, I don't know,
people need to be aware
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that this kind of thing is happening.
I can understand why they're doing.
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And it would be a tough decision to make
because it has the idea of, well,
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your equipment's not secure.
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I mean, that's certainly
would be coming up with a notification
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like this, but educating everybody
as much as they can.
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On the idea of these things existing
and also giving
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a rundown of how to protect yourselves
does make a lot of sense.
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So I do give kudos to Apple on
at least doing it and making it
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something to where they're trying
to help people deal with this.
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You know, one of the places
that's been targeted with This is Ukraine.
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Not a shock that
that would be happening. And
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they use a lot of Apple devices there.
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But it's not just limited to that.
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It's limited to
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or not limited much at all
to a lot of different parts of the world.
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So yeah, if you get one of these alerts
look at it and you can go online.
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There's a lot of places
to go to get common sense steps
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to help secure yourself.
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But a lot of this is still being targeted
in the way it has for many years,
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and that you get an email
or a text message or something
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where they want you to respond, or click
a link or something of that nature go.
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And when you do, go to the website
or download the link or whatever
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the case may be, it installs
malicious software on your phone.
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So if you get an unknown link in an email,
certainly
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in a text message, don't open it.
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And if you're worried about it, it's
claiming to be some company
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like your bank or whatever
and your accounts been compromised.
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Don't do anything that's in the email.
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Call your bank with a known good phone
number that's like on your credit card
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or on the bank's website, but not one
that's linked from within that email.
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And then check it out there,
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and you'll probably find
that there's nothing wrong at all.
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So all right, well,
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we've got a few things to talk about here,
and I think it's going to be kind of
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interesting to see where you've gotten to
if your Lego project.
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Gretchen.
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We might be doing that at the beginning
of the next segment because beforehand.
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I want to talk about Stuart Fails
to Save the universe,
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which you finally got me to watch.
And I have to say, I really enjoyed.
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Tell me.
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Tell us a little bit about this.
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Okay. Well, apparently
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the characters from The Big Bang Theory
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how are Leonard?
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And of course, Sheldon creates
some kind of crazy device,
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and it appears that Stuart
may have bumped it or did something
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and created an apocalyptic reality. Yes.
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And he's he's assisted by, like, Burt,
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his girlfriend.
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I can't remember
Stuart's girlfriend's name,
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but she's helping.
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And the guy with a lisp.
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Kripke and Kripke's helping,
which everybody's.
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Yeah, he's kind of a pain in the butt,
but that's his character, you know?
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Yeah.
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And so we have an unlikely group of people
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put together trying to set things right,
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and we get a chance to see
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what kind of weirdness
that the writers have come up with.
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And you also need to pay attention
that every time
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we see the beginning of the show,
the intro, it's different.
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Yeah. The opening,
the opening is different.
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For those that remember the series,
think sort of a version of sliders.
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It's kind of like a play on that,
and it was a lot of fun to see what they
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what they are coming up
with, and I'm looking forward
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to see what they come up with
in the future.
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And by the way, it's
called a quantum entanglement machine.
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Pretty much the issue for any,
you know, physicist that's out there,
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or at least theoretical.
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Maybe not.
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I'm glad you can't get these on Amazon,
but yeah, check it out.
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We love the episode.
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Oh yeah. Go ahead, go ahead.
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I was just going to say
477
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00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:31,069
Here was your questions, and there were
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495
00:24:31,069 --> 00:24:34,072
So talking a little bit
about historic tech
496
00:24:34,272 --> 00:24:37,742
this week, we're going to be going over
video game consoles and specifically
497
00:24:37,742 --> 00:24:41,580
some of the ones that didn't quite
make it for a variety of reasons.
498
00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:45,417
And we're going to go through these
and see what ended up happening
499
00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:46,651
or didn't happen.
500
00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:52,190
And the list, the order that this was
put into is somewhat random.
501
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:54,459
So it may be that our number one on
the list
502
00:24:54,459 --> 00:24:56,795
would not be what you would be considered
to be number one on the list.
503
00:24:56,795 --> 00:24:58,530
But afterwards,
let's meet in the comments.
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Let us know what you think.
506
00:25:02,901 --> 00:25:07,539
So the number one on our list
was the Atari Jaguar came out in 1993.
507
00:25:07,572 --> 00:25:10,575
First 64 bit gaming system.
508
00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:15,046
This was something that was interesting
when it came out game that came out on
509
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,383
Tempest 2000, which is something
that I actually really like.
510
00:25:19,251 --> 00:25:24,256
So it had its place,
but it had some other weird things to.
511
00:25:24,322 --> 00:25:24,990
One of them is,
512
00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:28,593
is that Atari never seemed to get too good
at designing controllers.
513
00:25:28,793 --> 00:25:32,831
And if you look back at some of their
older systems, like the Atari 5200,
514
00:25:32,864 --> 00:25:34,266
which has what is considered to be
515
00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:37,269
the worst controller
ever made on a video game system,
516
00:25:37,502 --> 00:25:38,837
you can see where this comes from.
517
00:25:38,837 --> 00:25:41,940
The Jaguar controller
seemed to take that idea,
518
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:45,277
and while it was an analog stick
and did work a little bit better,
519
00:25:45,277 --> 00:25:49,814
it had telephone
keypad on it, which I'm not one.
520
00:25:49,948 --> 00:25:50,582
Yeah.
521
00:25:52,918 --> 00:25:55,253
Interestingly enough, at the time
there was no standard on
522
00:25:55,253 --> 00:25:57,756
what a game console controller
was really supposed to be.
523
00:25:57,756 --> 00:26:01,793
So there is that at other systems
also had stuff like this,
524
00:26:01,793 --> 00:26:04,296
but it was a situation
525
00:26:04,296 --> 00:26:08,733
where they came out with this,
and you looked at it in the store
526
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:12,837
and gave you the idea of a telephone,
and that was a marketing problem for them.
527
00:26:12,837 --> 00:26:17,175
And then on top of that, the game library
was relatively small compared to others,
528
00:26:17,676 --> 00:26:20,312
as well as the resources
that Atari had at the time,
529
00:26:20,312 --> 00:26:22,280
because they were having all kinds
of financial problems
530
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,551
with the company and competing
against Nintendo, Sega and later Sony,
531
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:28,119
they just didn't have the budget to do it,
532
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,323
and those other systems
made them feel obsolete.
533
00:26:31,323 --> 00:26:35,193
And this is a system I'd love to get
someday just in my retro collection,
534
00:26:35,193 --> 00:26:39,497
but they are somewhat expensive
to find a working example of it.
535
00:26:39,664 --> 00:26:41,600
So if you happen
to have one in the garage,
536
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,801
they really aren't worth anything.
537
00:26:42,801 --> 00:26:46,571
Go ahead and send them to our address
on the website and I'll let you know.
538
00:26:48,673 --> 00:26:51,509
All right.
539
00:26:51,509 --> 00:26:53,311
Our next one, also from 1993
540
00:26:53,311 --> 00:26:56,314
was the 3D Interactive Multiplayer.
541
00:26:56,314 --> 00:26:59,718
So 3D technologies
licensed this to companies
542
00:26:59,718 --> 00:27:03,989
such as Panasonic Gold Star,
and instead of making a system
543
00:27:03,989 --> 00:27:07,359
themselves,
debuted it in the USA at roughly $700,
544
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,362
which in 1993
was a lot for a game console.
545
00:27:10,528 --> 00:27:11,463
Oh yeah. Yeah.
546
00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:14,466
You know, in 2020, I remember this one,
547
00:27:15,433 --> 00:27:18,403
the Jaguar, the Jaguar I'd heard of.
548
00:27:18,403 --> 00:27:21,306
And I remember the weird telephone thing.
549
00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:22,974
This one.
550
00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:23,908
No clue.
551
00:27:23,908 --> 00:27:25,143
Don't even call it.
552
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:27,812
It's one that didn't last very long
I know.
553
00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:31,016
And again the price made it out of range
for most people.
554
00:27:31,216 --> 00:27:34,619
And again, what they were doing here
is they had this technology
555
00:27:34,619 --> 00:27:38,556
that was a video game console, and third
party manufacturers were making this.
556
00:27:38,556 --> 00:27:44,095
And the reason why it was so expensive
is even to this day, most of the money,
557
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:48,233
the way they monetize
these things is through the software.
558
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,536
So you buy a game console or a computer
or whatever
559
00:27:51,536 --> 00:27:55,874
the case may be, at a reduced price,
sometimes even cost, making it lower.
560
00:27:55,874 --> 00:27:58,877
But then you pay a premium
for the games that run on it.
561
00:27:58,943 --> 00:28:03,415
And that was not the case here since
it was third party hardware manufacturers.
562
00:28:03,415 --> 00:28:07,018
They couldn't do it that way,
so they actually had to sell it
563
00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:08,553
and make a markup.
564
00:28:08,553 --> 00:28:14,025
The system itself was pretty decent,
but not a lot of exclusive games,
565
00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:17,195
which is something that drives, you know,
console sales and that type of a thing.
566
00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:20,598
And the PlayStation arrived
and it was cheaper
567
00:28:20,598 --> 00:28:24,469
and had more of a library
almost out the gate than this did.
568
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:28,339
And kind of the rest is history
from that standpoint.
569
00:28:28,339 --> 00:28:32,777
So games such as Road
Rash, the need for Speed and Star Control
570
00:28:32,811 --> 00:28:37,215
two were good on this system and again,
it was pretty impressive.
571
00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:40,719
Our next one is the Sega 32
came out a year later in 94.
572
00:28:40,752 --> 00:28:44,756
This is one that I'd like to get as an add
on for my Sega Genesis,
573
00:28:44,756 --> 00:28:47,425
or actually my Sega mega drive.
I am in North America.
574
00:28:47,425 --> 00:28:48,593
I have a working mega drive.
575
00:28:48,593 --> 00:28:49,761
It's a little unusual,
576
00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:53,631
and it took a little bit of engineering
to get it to work, but it's there.
577
00:28:53,798 --> 00:28:55,700
Please note he's bragging.
578
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,069
Yes, because it was it was a challenge.
579
00:28:58,069 --> 00:29:01,673
Believe me, we had to change the frequency
that it was putting out at.
580
00:29:01,673 --> 00:29:04,509
So in set a palette was in TSC defeat
the region lock.
581
00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:05,243
Which of course I did
582
00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:09,280
not do because that would be bad
and get the thing to just work in general.
583
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,715
But it's cool.
584
00:29:10,715 --> 00:29:14,352
And anybody else would have spent
the 80 bucks on eBay to buy a Genesis
585
00:29:14,352 --> 00:29:16,354
if they had wanted one and plug it in
and made it work.
586
00:29:16,354 --> 00:29:20,391
This cost almost $1,000 to do,
but hey, it says Mega Drive.
587
00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:25,263
Now that being said, this
was the Sega Genesis or Sega mega drive.
588
00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:26,598
Just a footnote on that.
589
00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:27,432
They were called Mega
590
00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:31,269
Drive in Europe, Genesis in North America,
but it is the same system.
591
00:29:31,336 --> 00:29:34,472
And Genesis was a very popular system
by Sega.
592
00:29:34,506 --> 00:29:35,440
16 bit.
593
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,011
I had one when I was growing up,
so this was a system that was out there
594
00:29:40,011 --> 00:29:43,748
very much a competitor to Nintendo and
some of the other things out at the time,
595
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:47,452
and they wanted to upgrade.
596
00:29:47,585 --> 00:29:51,523
And this is where Sega started
to get themselves into trouble.
597
00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:54,759
And they created this thing called
the Tower of Power, which is basically
598
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:58,463
all these add ons for the Genesis
or Mega Drive, including the Sega
599
00:29:58,496 --> 00:30:02,433
CD, the 32 bit upgrade
that we're talking about here.
600
00:30:02,534 --> 00:30:04,402
Or you waited and bought a Sega Saturn.
601
00:30:04,402 --> 00:30:08,139
And this was one of the problems
because you could buy all this stuff,
602
00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:11,776
or they're coming out with a system
that does it all called the Saturn,
603
00:30:11,776 --> 00:30:13,211
which is going to be out next.
604
00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:17,782
So a lot of people waited,
and we've seen this happen in the past
605
00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:19,717
where a company
will announce their product
606
00:30:19,717 --> 00:30:21,586
while the current one
is still making money,
607
00:30:21,586 --> 00:30:24,856
and then the current one stops selling
because everybody's
608
00:30:24,856 --> 00:30:26,457
like, well, we're just going to wait
and upgrade later.
609
00:30:26,457 --> 00:30:28,293
And that's kind of what you had here.
610
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:30,628
So I want to put one of these things
together.
611
00:30:30,628 --> 00:30:34,199
The Sega CD modules do command a premium,
so I'm trying to find one
612
00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:35,233
that's within budget.
613
00:30:35,233 --> 00:30:39,571
And then I wonder if the North American
Sega CD will work with a mega drive.
614
00:30:39,637 --> 00:30:41,039
I'll let you know when I know.
615
00:30:42,874 --> 00:30:43,741
But yeah.
616
00:30:43,741 --> 00:30:45,310
So this it was short lived.
617
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:46,377
These components weren't
618
00:30:46,377 --> 00:30:48,680
made for a long time
because of the Sega Saturn,
619
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,281
which just happens to be
the next one on the list,
620
00:30:50,281 --> 00:30:54,018
which came out about two years later,
successor to the Genesis.
621
00:30:54,018 --> 00:30:59,490
And they launched it early,
which is a little bit unusual,
622
00:30:59,791 --> 00:31:03,094
but because usually these things
come out late.
623
00:31:03,094 --> 00:31:07,098
But the problem that this created
is, again, software libraries,
624
00:31:07,098 --> 00:31:09,334
it comes down to ecosystem.
And the programmers
625
00:31:09,334 --> 00:31:12,337
didn't have their stuff ready
when the console launched.
626
00:31:13,304 --> 00:31:14,639
So that was probably number one.
627
00:31:14,639 --> 00:31:16,941
Problem number two was Sega
seemed to at that point
628
00:31:16,941 --> 00:31:19,944
have lost the ability to do business
in any kind of a meaningful way,
629
00:31:19,944 --> 00:31:21,946
because there were
a lot of other problems, too,
630
00:31:22,914 --> 00:31:24,816
that happened at the time.
631
00:31:24,816 --> 00:31:27,552
Original at E3 in 1995,
when it was announced
632
00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:32,290
the retail price was going to be 3.99,
and Sony came out
633
00:31:32,357 --> 00:31:36,394
and released their system at $100 less,
which was also a problem.
634
00:31:37,028 --> 00:31:40,431
And PlayStation
kind of took their lunch after that.
635
00:31:40,465 --> 00:31:45,236
Nintendo remained powerful,
but I don't know.
636
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:47,238
And, you know,
there's a note on this article here
637
00:31:47,238 --> 00:31:49,941
that the Saturn wasn't a failure
everywhere.
638
00:31:49,941 --> 00:31:53,211
Can did better in Japan,
you know, had a better
639
00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:56,681
library there and was good for two games
in arcade conversions.
640
00:31:56,681 --> 00:31:58,516
And it wasn't a bad console.
641
00:31:58,516 --> 00:31:59,784
The controllers were a little weird.
642
00:31:59,784 --> 00:32:03,054
They had these plug in screen things
in the console controller
643
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:08,293
a little bit better than the Wii U did it
later, and I like the hardware,
644
00:32:08,293 --> 00:32:13,298
but again, in North America
it just wasn't that, well, you know, done.
645
00:32:13,464 --> 00:32:16,434
Now I'm I'm seeing a pattern here.
646
00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:17,335
This is all
647
00:32:17,335 --> 00:32:21,739
it's like all these failures are happening
within a short period of time.
648
00:32:21,873 --> 00:32:27,211
It was there like the big video game
failure era or something like that.
649
00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:31,950
Well, okay, the video game crash was 84
and that took out like the legal vision
650
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:37,221
and in television and yeah, but these
are all happening in early 90s, early 90s.
651
00:32:37,255 --> 00:32:40,758
And in that time period
you had something else going on.
652
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:43,861
You had the Nintendo
and the Super Nintendo at that point.
653
00:32:43,895 --> 00:32:44,562
Right.
654
00:32:44,562 --> 00:32:47,932
And you had a situation
where Nintendo wanted to come out
655
00:32:47,932 --> 00:32:50,535
with a product
called the Nintendo PlayStation.
656
00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:54,539
Now, if you think about that a little bit,
say, has the PlayStation, right?
657
00:32:54,572 --> 00:32:59,077
And what happened was this
Nintendo had an agreement with Sony
658
00:32:59,110 --> 00:33:02,814
that they were going to manufacture
the CD component, and Nintendo
659
00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:05,216
was going to make a cartridge component,
and there are prototypes,
660
00:33:05,216 --> 00:33:09,153
and if you have one, you can retire
kind of thing, because these are really
661
00:33:09,187 --> 00:33:10,521
a lot of money to buy.
662
00:33:10,521 --> 00:33:13,891
But there are a few prototypes out
in the wild of these combined systems.
663
00:33:13,891 --> 00:33:17,495
And then Nintendo went behind the scenes
664
00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:21,265
with, I believe, Philips
to also get them to make CD drives.
665
00:33:21,265 --> 00:33:23,234
So it's kind of
they went around the contract with Sony.
666
00:33:23,234 --> 00:33:25,069
It upsets Sony, obviously.
667
00:33:25,069 --> 00:33:27,271
So Sony said, well, the heck with you.
668
00:33:27,271 --> 00:33:28,706
We're just going to produce our own system
669
00:33:28,706 --> 00:33:32,477
and we're going to call it a PlayStation,
and we'll look at where we are today.
670
00:33:32,477 --> 00:33:34,612
Obviously, that didn't go over too
well for Nintendo.
671
00:33:34,612 --> 00:33:37,749
In fact, it took him out
as the market leader because Sony came out
672
00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:42,820
with this product, you know, half on
superior capability but half on spite.
673
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:43,821
It costs less.
674
00:33:43,821 --> 00:33:47,992
And it really did not only compete
with Nintendo, but it knocked
675
00:33:47,992 --> 00:33:52,497
Atari and Sega out of the marketplace
completely eventually.
676
00:33:52,797 --> 00:33:55,233
That's what was happening in that era.
677
00:33:55,233 --> 00:34:00,438
Something to remember, too, is
the Super Nintendo was a 32 bit system.
678
00:34:00,738 --> 00:34:02,974
The PlayStation was a 32 bit system.
679
00:34:02,974 --> 00:34:03,741
Right
680
00:34:03,741 --> 00:34:07,678
now, of course, we talk about the Jaguar
being a 64 bit, but at the time, people
681
00:34:07,678 --> 00:34:13,351
didn't really understand that difference
between bits and consoles. So
682
00:34:14,786 --> 00:34:16,921
Sega and stuff was still running on 16.
683
00:34:16,921 --> 00:34:19,891
They boosted it to a 32 bit with the CD
and the
684
00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:22,894
and Saturn.
685
00:34:23,628 --> 00:34:25,730
But people didn't really understand
that problem.
686
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:29,267
And where Nintendo was stuck with
cartridges.
687
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,637
Sony went with CDs
and massively was able to increase
688
00:34:32,637 --> 00:34:35,973
their ability to produce massive games.
689
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,242
Yeah, yeah, huge games.
690
00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:40,378
And Nintendo has done
some weird things like that along the way,
691
00:34:40,378 --> 00:34:43,314
because even the Nintendo 64
still held on the cartridges.
692
00:34:43,314 --> 00:34:46,717
And it's interesting
because that particular system in Japan
693
00:34:46,717 --> 00:34:49,754
had a floppy drive attachment
that was never released here.
694
00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:53,658
But you're thinking of another thing
that's happening
695
00:34:53,658 --> 00:34:55,460
in these periods
that you want to be able to save games
696
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:57,295
and do other things and update
and whatnot, right?
697
00:34:57,295 --> 00:35:01,099
So all of that kind of thing
requires storage on the local system.
698
00:35:01,332 --> 00:35:03,668
So again, like Bill,
what you're talking about is number one,
699
00:35:03,668 --> 00:35:08,473
people even understanding what
the bit thing was an Atari Jaguar 64 bit.
700
00:35:08,506 --> 00:35:10,741
Well, the other problem
they had is a lot of their game library
701
00:35:10,741 --> 00:35:13,411
that did exist
were simply ports of their 16 bit games,
702
00:35:13,411 --> 00:35:16,581
so it didn't use the capacity
of the hardware.
703
00:35:17,415 --> 00:35:19,317
Yeah. You know, so that was the thing.
704
00:35:19,317 --> 00:35:23,521
So yeah, the general population of people
buying these things are going well.
705
00:35:23,521 --> 00:35:25,389
What's the difference.
Doesn't look different.
706
00:35:25,389 --> 00:35:27,558
Yeah.
The capability of a Jaguar is amazing.
707
00:35:27,558 --> 00:35:31,429
And some of the homebrew that's coming out
on that parallel, some of the, you know,
708
00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:35,533
Triple-A games you see on the PC today
because it had that capability.
709
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,536
It's just Atari never marketed it. Right.
710
00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:39,971
And I think in some cases
711
00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:43,975
you saw the same thing with Sega and
dealing with some of this kind of stuff.
712
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:47,812
And you look at today
the average computer is 64
713
00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:51,582
bit 2026
because it's all kinds of other things.
714
00:35:51,582 --> 00:35:52,350
It's not just
715
00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:56,220
the bit capacity of a processor
that determine what you can and cannot do.
716
00:35:56,254 --> 00:35:58,523
There's all kinds of things
that work around that,
717
00:35:58,523 --> 00:36:02,226
where you can have a 16 bit console
that's superior to a 32
718
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:05,263
bit console because of the engineering
and other stuff like that.
719
00:36:05,263 --> 00:36:05,796
But yeah,
720
00:36:05,796 --> 00:36:08,733
Bill, exactly like what you're saying
there is you're talking about something
721
00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:12,303
where it wasn't marketed properly,
people didn't know the difference.
722
00:36:12,303 --> 00:36:15,306
And frankly, the product you got on a
PlayStation was better than
723
00:36:15,306 --> 00:36:19,544
some of these other things that had maybe
better capacity at a raw level.
724
00:36:19,777 --> 00:36:20,912
And I'm not going to say
725
00:36:20,912 --> 00:36:24,148
that the first PlayStations
didn't have some serious problems.
726
00:36:24,148 --> 00:36:25,416
They were had performance.
727
00:36:25,416 --> 00:36:29,954
They were very slow to load,
they were underpowered.
728
00:36:29,954 --> 00:36:32,957
But by the time PlayStation
one phased out,
729
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:35,993
they were a superior console to anything
else.
730
00:36:36,227 --> 00:36:39,096
Yeah. And it's just optical
media is slower.
731
00:36:39,096 --> 00:36:40,498
It doesn't matter what you're dealing with
732
00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:43,501
even in 2026,
if you look at something like a switch
733
00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:47,505
that takes a form of a cartridge, it's
basically kind of an SD card,
734
00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:51,542
but it's still a physical,
solid state thing versus any system
735
00:36:51,542 --> 00:36:55,313
that uses either physical media
or where you have to download.
736
00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:56,380
There is a huge difference.
737
00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:59,417
I mean,
it is definitely still notable to today.
738
00:36:59,417 --> 00:37:03,387
I know I picked up a PlayStation
two system at a garage sale recently,
739
00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:05,590
and I kind of like it
because it's got some of the arcade games
740
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:08,593
that I like on it, like Paper Boy
and some of those that are done
741
00:37:08,626 --> 00:37:12,296
where you actually do have the true arcade
version on the local machine,
742
00:37:12,363 --> 00:37:18,069
that thing runs off DVDs, but even loading
a disc up in it is 10 to 15 seconds.
743
00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:21,239
And, you know,
so you definitely see it from there.
744
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,542
And the PlayStation two didn't
have things like a hard drive or anything.
745
00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:26,978
Yet you have these little storage
module things that go in it
746
00:37:26,978 --> 00:37:30,014
for saving your games,
but it's not like now we're after you do
747
00:37:30,014 --> 00:37:30,881
the initial install,
748
00:37:30,881 --> 00:37:35,519
it is installed to a local storage drive
and then it runs faster because of that.
749
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,922
But it's still slower than cartridge.
750
00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,423
Yeah.
751
00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,560
So all right,
next on the list is one that we just got.
752
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,295
And we're going to review here
later in the year.
753
00:37:44,295 --> 00:37:46,197
And that is the Nintendo Virtual Boy.
754
00:37:48,466 --> 00:37:49,700
Oh boy.
755
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,570
It's been joked that this should have come
with a bottle
756
00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:55,706
of Etcetera and Migraine trying it out.
757
00:37:55,706 --> 00:37:57,475
I kind of agree with that assessment Bill.
758
00:37:57,475 --> 00:37:58,476
You know what.
759
00:37:58,476 --> 00:38:01,178
Tell us a little bit about what this was.
760
00:38:01,178 --> 00:38:04,315
Well, it was an attempt at virtualized
761
00:38:04,348 --> 00:38:08,019
3D effects using a red and black screen
762
00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:12,223
inside of a headset
that weighed about a ton. And.
763
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:18,296
As you as it said, you had the stationary
and you had to basically
764
00:38:18,296 --> 00:38:22,533
put it on a tripod and stick your face
into it, play it with this controller.
765
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,771
That was a little bit
more complicated than the 64, I believe.
766
00:38:26,904 --> 00:38:31,075
Yeah, and had a small library.
767
00:38:31,275 --> 00:38:32,476
But the problem was,
768
00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:36,881
is that the vector graphics
and all of that that was inside of it
769
00:38:37,081 --> 00:38:41,619
hurt your eyes so much that it was cause
headaches after about 20 minutes.
770
00:38:41,852 --> 00:38:42,953
Yeah, yeah.
771
00:38:42,953 --> 00:38:45,389
You're lucky if you got to 20 minutes
772
00:38:45,389 --> 00:38:48,859
and looking at this, remember
hearing about this stuff?
773
00:38:48,893 --> 00:38:50,661
Yeah. Just when you think of today.
774
00:38:50,661 --> 00:38:55,132
Okay, so you do a VR headset
like the Oculus or a system like that.
775
00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:56,667
There's a couple of them out there,
776
00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:58,736
and it's this lightweight thing
that you strapped your head
777
00:38:58,736 --> 00:39:01,539
and you can wear it,
and it's pretty easy to use.
778
00:39:01,539 --> 00:39:02,773
Well this thing was so heavy
779
00:39:02,773 --> 00:39:05,509
that you couldn't strap it to your head,
so it's on a stand.
780
00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:07,278
So you're sitting at a table or something.
781
00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:09,914
And for some reason the stands
not adjustable a little bit,
782
00:39:09,914 --> 00:39:12,149
but not like in a way
that would be meaningful.
783
00:39:12,149 --> 00:39:13,718
So you're having a hunch down or
784
00:39:13,718 --> 00:39:16,387
put it on books or something
to get it at a height.
785
00:39:16,387 --> 00:39:17,722
And then like you said, Bill,
786
00:39:17,722 --> 00:39:20,991
you lean into it
and you've got the controller and yeah,
787
00:39:20,991 --> 00:39:22,693
it's black and red,
788
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,596
and there are certain people
on this planet that will know who they are
789
00:39:25,596 --> 00:39:28,632
that may have worked with red grid things
in the military.
790
00:39:28,632 --> 00:39:32,670
It's very similar to that, except the red
grid military one was easier to use.
791
00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:37,541
It's pretty intense, and it's too bad
because the concepts kind of cool.
792
00:39:37,575 --> 00:39:43,414
But the implementation of this
is definitely if you sell your hardware
793
00:39:43,414 --> 00:39:47,351
and it creates headaches, that
might not be the best marketing technique.
794
00:39:47,351 --> 00:39:51,589
Yeah, well, red is such a weird color
to use because of how often
795
00:39:52,256 --> 00:39:55,192
you have red color blindness. Yeah,
796
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,296
yeah, it's a weird color to use anyway.
797
00:39:59,296 --> 00:40:03,134
It's very hard as far as things go. Go.
798
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,269
We're not going to dive
into the psychology here of it,
799
00:40:05,269 --> 00:40:08,072
but there is psychology
on the call of red versus other things.
800
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:12,076
If they'd gone monochrome with blue
or green or white monochrome,
801
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:16,714
which might have made more sense,
you know, it gave it a more Tron
802
00:40:16,747 --> 00:40:19,750
look by using black and white and gray.
803
00:40:19,817 --> 00:40:22,186
That probably would have worked better.
804
00:40:22,186 --> 00:40:25,322
There were a few red monochrome monitors
805
00:40:25,322 --> 00:40:28,726
out over the years,
and there were the amber ones too.
806
00:40:28,793 --> 00:40:30,828
The amber was okay. Red.
807
00:40:30,828 --> 00:40:33,097
There was a reason why not a lot of
those were made.
808
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:34,465
Oh, there was green too.
809
00:40:34,465 --> 00:40:35,232
Yeah, green.
810
00:40:35,232 --> 00:40:37,034
Green were popular.
811
00:40:37,034 --> 00:40:38,903
Green was the most popular, I think. Yeah.
812
00:40:38,903 --> 00:40:41,038
Anyway. All right, next one on the list.
813
00:40:41,038 --> 00:40:43,774
And this was one that I really didn't know
that much about.
814
00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:46,043
Is Apple actually ventured into video game
815
00:40:46,043 --> 00:40:49,213
consoles for a little while, 1996,
with a thing called the Pippin.
816
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,917
And again, it's Apple, so it has to cost
817
00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:56,153
more $599 and $1,996.
818
00:40:56,153 --> 00:41:01,425
So is is this Bandai the reference
to the people who make the toys?
819
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:02,693
Bandai was the company.
820
00:41:02,693 --> 00:41:05,229
Yes, Bandai is a toy company.
So they were involved.
821
00:41:05,229 --> 00:41:07,264
Yeah, okay.
822
00:41:07,264 --> 00:41:07,998
That kind of stuff.
823
00:41:07,998 --> 00:41:11,802
It competed against PlayStation,
then 10 to 64 in the Sega Saturn.
824
00:41:11,902 --> 00:41:13,904
There were a few good games on it,
825
00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:16,474
but again, people weren't
sure what it was supposed to be.
826
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:19,376
Computer console, internet appliance,
multimedia machine.
827
00:41:19,376 --> 00:41:22,279
And it came from Apple,
which knew how to market computers,
828
00:41:22,279 --> 00:41:25,115
although remember Apple
and that period was almost bankrupt,
829
00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:27,251
so they were having some problems
with their company too.
830
00:41:27,251 --> 00:41:28,152
You don't think of it now.
831
00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:31,755
Apple today is very different
from the Apple in those days. And
832
00:41:33,557 --> 00:41:35,092
sales were low
833
00:41:35,092 --> 00:41:37,561
on the retro market, very collectible
these days.
834
00:41:37,561 --> 00:41:38,229
This will command
835
00:41:38,229 --> 00:41:41,432
more than it originally sold
for in a lot of cases for a good one.
836
00:41:41,632 --> 00:41:45,636
But yeah, your Apple video game console,
837
00:41:45,636 --> 00:41:48,639
I can only imagine.
838
00:41:49,907 --> 00:41:51,442
Yeah, yeah.
839
00:41:51,442 --> 00:41:55,513
And Bandai made beautiful, beautiful toys.
840
00:41:55,513 --> 00:42:01,752
I have some Bandai toys
and yeah, those are those are cool.
841
00:42:01,752 --> 00:42:04,388
I was surprised to see their name
linked to a video,
842
00:42:04,388 --> 00:42:07,391
I guess a lot of things,
and they're a good company in my opinion.
843
00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:10,427
I mean, you know,
they're they're out there, but they're not
844
00:42:11,228 --> 00:42:15,399
definitely with this whole situation,
there's a big story that goes on this
845
00:42:15,399 --> 00:42:17,201
that could be
an entire episode on its own.
846
00:42:17,201 --> 00:42:18,502
And if you're interested
847
00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:21,539
in deep diving on more of this,
let us know on user Friendly show,
848
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:25,676
because I'd be happy to do it, depending
on what everybody would like to hear.
849
00:42:25,709 --> 00:42:28,913
The next step on our list
is the Atari Lynx 1989.
850
00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:31,415
So we're going back a few years,
and this one I think is a bummer.
851
00:42:31,415 --> 00:42:33,417
I have one of these. I had it in the time.
852
00:42:33,417 --> 00:42:34,585
I really like it.
853
00:42:34,585 --> 00:42:36,754
It competed with a Game Boy.
854
00:42:36,754 --> 00:42:38,923
It was more expensive,
855
00:42:38,923 --> 00:42:42,059
you know, and they complain about things
like the battery life and stuff,
856
00:42:42,059 --> 00:42:47,631
but it was a definite improvement
over what the capability of it was.
857
00:42:47,631 --> 00:42:50,134
The screen at a bare minimum.
858
00:42:50,134 --> 00:42:52,836
One of the things that Atari didn't have
that Nintendo did at
859
00:42:52,836 --> 00:42:58,409
that time was franchises like Super Mario
Brothers, Legend of Zelda, and so on.
860
00:42:58,442 --> 00:43:00,911
Tetris was another one
they had licensed, interestingly enough,
861
00:43:00,911 --> 00:43:04,815
because Atari had had the license
for Tetris in the arcade, but
862
00:43:04,815 --> 00:43:07,851
failed to get the license to do it on home
video game consoles.
863
00:43:07,851 --> 00:43:08,986
Nintendo picked that up.
864
00:43:08,986 --> 00:43:11,589
So very popular game at the time.
865
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:15,859
And if you're going to sell your video
game system, especially if it's one
866
00:43:15,859 --> 00:43:17,695
that costs more money,
you have to have games
867
00:43:17,695 --> 00:43:20,631
that people want to buy it
for that are exclusive.
868
00:43:20,631 --> 00:43:24,802
That ecosystem is very important,
which didn't have the case here.
869
00:43:24,802 --> 00:43:27,838
But one of the biggest things
I like about the Lynx over the Game Boy
870
00:43:27,838 --> 00:43:31,141
was the Lynx was backlit and it was color.
871
00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:35,546
Oh yeah,
color during that time was a big deal.
872
00:43:35,579 --> 00:43:36,513
Yeah.
873
00:43:36,513 --> 00:43:39,516
And when backlight was a big deal,
I don't know why they didn't do that.
874
00:43:39,583 --> 00:43:43,654
I remember you had to have these special
things that would light up the screen.
875
00:43:43,721 --> 00:43:44,521
Of course I wouldn't know.
876
00:43:44,521 --> 00:43:47,157
I didn't have a Game Boy, but
877
00:43:47,157 --> 00:43:49,026
friends of mine did. Did you?
878
00:43:49,026 --> 00:43:50,361
Do you remember what?
879
00:43:50,361 --> 00:43:52,463
You had to have a battery?
880
00:43:52,463 --> 00:43:53,297
Yeah.
881
00:43:53,297 --> 00:43:54,798
Well, you had to have it in light
882
00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:57,801
because otherwise it was just
it was one of those,
883
00:43:57,801 --> 00:43:59,970
like, calculator screens
where it was just black
884
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:02,973
on that metallic
885
00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:06,477
brass color. Yes.
886
00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:08,946
But you couldn't see,
like you're driving in a car.
887
00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:10,981
And if the light's not right,
you can't see the screen.
888
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:13,951
And certainly if you're trying to play it
in the dark, you can't see the screen.
889
00:44:13,951 --> 00:44:15,452
Right? So yeah.
890
00:44:17,221 --> 00:44:20,290
Yeah, I remember Jeremy had like a,
like a portable
891
00:44:20,357 --> 00:44:26,530
like it was almost like a little headlamp
that would shine down on on his games.
892
00:44:26,597 --> 00:44:30,834
He had all these weird little things
and he had a little bag
893
00:44:30,834 --> 00:44:33,637
with all the games in it
and the Game Boy player
894
00:44:33,637 --> 00:44:36,940
and all these little things
that went with it.
895
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,175
It was kind of cool.
896
00:44:38,175 --> 00:44:39,043
That would have been fun.
897
00:44:39,043 --> 00:44:42,012
But yeah, at the time it just didn't.
898
00:44:43,313 --> 00:44:43,947
I don't know.
899
00:44:43,947 --> 00:44:45,382
And that was one of the reasons
I didn't have a Game
900
00:44:45,382 --> 00:44:47,418
Boy was because it was so hard
to see the screen.
901
00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:51,121
And, you know, again,
it probably would have been fun to have.
902
00:44:51,121 --> 00:44:54,858
And for those that did, I think, enjoy it,
let me know, because maybe I'll try
903
00:44:54,858 --> 00:44:57,995
to find a retro version of one of these
if I can find one that works.
904
00:44:57,995 --> 00:44:58,829
Part of the problem is
905
00:44:58,829 --> 00:45:01,732
these were handheld systems,
which means they were dropped and stuff.
906
00:45:01,732 --> 00:45:05,836
So finding a working model of them
I think could be somewhat challenging.
907
00:45:05,836 --> 00:45:07,271
I don't know how to check it out.
908
00:45:07,271 --> 00:45:12,443
So now another one that I have in
my library is Neo-Geo is 1994.
909
00:45:12,643 --> 00:45:13,510
We're back to that era.
910
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:15,112
Gretchen,
you're talking about where it seemed like
911
00:45:15,112 --> 00:45:18,882
there were a lot of failures
and oh, no, it was.
912
00:45:18,916 --> 00:45:21,151
Yeah. 94 yeah. So
913
00:45:22,352 --> 00:45:25,155
I how do I explain this?
914
00:45:25,155 --> 00:45:28,158
It was incredibly expensive game console.
915
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,961
Yeah. There's no other way to put it.
916
00:45:30,961 --> 00:45:35,899
I mean, you'd get into this $1,000 plus
and the games themselves were no cheaper.
917
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:39,636
It used a cartridge.
918
00:45:39,636 --> 00:45:42,973
So Neo-Geo made and continues
to make arcade stuff.
919
00:45:42,973 --> 00:45:45,142
And one of the things
about the Nintendo arcade
920
00:45:45,142 --> 00:45:49,379
or the Neo Geo arcade cabinet is it was
basically a cartridge based video system.
921
00:45:49,379 --> 00:45:54,051
So when your game in the arcade got old,
you could simply switch the cartridge.
922
00:45:54,051 --> 00:45:54,918
They'd send out a kit
923
00:45:54,918 --> 00:45:58,021
that was a cartridge,
a new banner for it, Marquis
924
00:45:58,021 --> 00:46:01,358
and Side Art, and it would set it up
and then you'd use the same machine again.
925
00:46:01,391 --> 00:46:05,195
So what the Geo wanted to do
was bring home this experience
926
00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:09,700
where you could play the arcade versions
of their stuff on a home game console,
927
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:13,237
but in order to do that,
you needed incredibly powerful hardware.
928
00:46:13,237 --> 00:46:16,774
And this was like the rich person's
game system.
929
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:18,175
And at the time, it was
930
00:46:19,343 --> 00:46:20,477
a luxury.
931
00:46:20,477 --> 00:46:23,914
And it was interesting to see
because where they made some of these two,
932
00:46:23,947 --> 00:46:26,083
you could see that
they were targeting that market.
933
00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:29,052
Like there's a special Neo-Geo
that was meant to go in the car.
934
00:46:29,753 --> 00:46:33,056
So it was designed to be installed
in your vehicle in 1994?
935
00:46:33,056 --> 00:46:37,427
Well, in 1994, you didn't have screens
and all the rest of that in your car.
936
00:46:37,427 --> 00:46:41,999
So this was something that was kind of
very unique, you know, and, well,
937
00:46:42,266 --> 00:46:45,803
what person would need to have
a video game in their car?
938
00:46:46,537 --> 00:46:48,472
Rich people 20, 26.
939
00:46:48,472 --> 00:46:49,673
That's actually standard.
940
00:46:49,673 --> 00:46:51,575
What was that? Bill? I didn't hear you.
941
00:46:51,575 --> 00:46:52,743
Rich people.
942
00:46:52,743 --> 00:46:54,011
Rich people. Yes, yes.
943
00:46:54,011 --> 00:46:56,814
You know, I yeah.
944
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:57,815
I mean really
945
00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:01,585
I mean, you're supposed to be driving
and paying attention to driving.
946
00:47:01,585 --> 00:47:04,588
So was it supposed to be
in the back of the car for the kids?
947
00:47:04,721 --> 00:47:05,455
Was in the back of the car?
948
00:47:05,455 --> 00:47:07,191
I do not believe even in those period,
949
00:47:07,191 --> 00:47:09,259
it was safe to play video games
while you drove your car.
950
00:47:09,259 --> 00:47:13,597
Although I'm
sure some people tried, so you know.
951
00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:19,036
But because yeah, safety is definitely
one of those things you don't have to ask.
952
00:47:19,036 --> 00:47:22,339
Travelers will be back on this fall
for when we start doing the safety
953
00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:26,510
awareness, and always
a very good interview we get every year.
954
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,812
I'm going to have to ask them
about video games in the cars.
955
00:47:28,812 --> 00:47:30,414
I'm sure that they've had some stories
956
00:47:30,414 --> 00:47:34,818
on their end with that,
but yeah, it definitely was a system.
957
00:47:34,818 --> 00:47:36,653
And then it also used CDs,
958
00:47:36,653 --> 00:47:38,856
which brought the price down
a little bit from
959
00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:40,290
if they had actually used cartridges.
960
00:47:40,290 --> 00:47:43,460
But then you also had the loading time
problem like we were talking about
961
00:47:43,627 --> 00:47:44,628
earlier.
962
00:47:44,628 --> 00:47:47,064
So anyway,
so that gets us through some of the lists.
963
00:47:47,064 --> 00:47:49,867
We might do a part two follow up on this
depending on if you want us to or not.
964
00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:52,236
So let us know what user friendly
dot show.
965
00:47:52,236 --> 00:47:56,573
And before we end for the day,
I would like Gretchen to kind of let's
966
00:47:56,673 --> 00:47:59,376
do something a little bit different
because we've had some questions about it.
967
00:47:59,376 --> 00:48:02,713
How are things going with your Saturn V
Lego project?
968
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:05,749
Oh gosh, it's really weird.
969
00:48:05,749 --> 00:48:11,989
I'm really questioning the instructions
because it'll look like it's
970
00:48:11,989 --> 00:48:15,459
telling me to do one thing
and I go ahead and do it,
971
00:48:15,459 --> 00:48:19,897
and then later on it's like, no,
no, you know, the pictures are different.
972
00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:25,602
So I've been I, I'm
now building it with the expectation
973
00:48:25,602 --> 00:48:31,074
I'm going to have to rip it apart again
to make it go correctly.
974
00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:35,479
It's, it's it's been frustrating
but I am making progress.
975
00:48:35,479 --> 00:48:40,050
I'm on
I think bag seven now on my Saturn five.
976
00:48:40,050 --> 00:48:41,852
So I am making progress.
977
00:48:41,852 --> 00:48:47,291
And I'm hoping that what I've built isn't
going to have to be ripped apart again.
978
00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:48,058
When you finish it,
979
00:48:48,058 --> 00:48:51,395
we'll have to put a picture
up on our website because there's a lot of
980
00:48:52,362 --> 00:48:54,131
encouragement from our listeners.
981
00:48:54,131 --> 00:48:54,998
Good.
982
00:48:54,998 --> 00:48:56,533
And and a lot of people.
983
00:48:56,533 --> 00:48:58,268
And it looks really cool.
984
00:48:58,268 --> 00:48:59,269
Yeah.
985
00:48:59,269 --> 00:49:01,271
Well, when it's done, by the way,
you're not the only person
986
00:49:01,271 --> 00:49:03,540
that's had some difficulties
putting this one together either.
987
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:05,042
So that's the other thing we've got.
988
00:49:05,042 --> 00:49:07,210
So yeah, keep us up to date on that.
989
00:49:07,210 --> 00:49:11,148
And until next week this is User Friendly
2.0, keeping you safe on the cutting edge.
990
00:49:11,748 --> 00:49:13,216
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991
00:49:13,216 --> 00:49:16,553
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992
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993
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994
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