Grab some warm milk and join us for Supernatural Season 3, Episode 5 "Bedtime Stories." Come for the sex, violence, and cannibalism but stay for the fur slippers.
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Welcome to this week's episode of Double Strap podcast in which we will talk about sex, violence, and cannibalism.
Speaker A:And if you stay tuned, you can learn what a fur slipper is.
Speaker B:Another lesson of the day, don't punch children or they'll punch you to death.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:Liz.
Speaker A:And Liz.
Speaker B:And this week we're going to Talk Season 3, Episode 5, Bedtime Stories.
Speaker A:So we're talking about a Madonna album.
Speaker B:No, no, no, not that.
Speaker B:Bedtime Stories.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So how are you this week?
Speaker A:Fine.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:The weather has been really nice, so I was able to get out and go to the zoo.
Speaker A:And the Austin Zoo is really awesome if you guys have ever been there.
Speaker A:It's a rescue and rehabilitation center.
Speaker A:So you can go to each of each of the animals, have the sign of their story so you can find out, like, where they were before.
Speaker A:Like, hi, some asshole.
Speaker A:Like, basically, she just really says, some asshole rich guy bought this and then figured out he couldn't take care of it.
Speaker A:So now it's here.
Speaker B:They also have Depressing.
Speaker B:Depressing.
Speaker B:But also you feel more.
Speaker B:The story.
Speaker A:It's not depressing.
Speaker A:It's exciting because you're like, oh, now you have a happy home.
Speaker A:You've got a good story.
Speaker A:And they also have a ton of them that were brought in from her, Harvey.
Speaker A:So when the Houston Zoo flooded and all, there was, you know, little shit happened to those animals.
Speaker A:But so they have quite a few animals over there, and they have, like, these white foxes that.
Speaker A:Not foxes, white wolves that were fighting each other.
Speaker A:And they were in their main exhibit.
Speaker A:But, like, all of a sudden I was like, what is that noise?
Speaker A:What do I hear barking?
Speaker A:And then I went around, it was like, oh, I can see the wolves fighting.
Speaker A:And then all the, like, the monkeys are like, what are the wolves doing?
Speaker A:And the foxes are like, what's going on?
Speaker A:It was really great.
Speaker A:And all the animals are very excited.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker A:It's a lovely zoo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you,.
Speaker B:Babe, and I went and sold some of our things that we've made at a little neighborhood craft fair Saturday.
Speaker B:And then since we've spoken last, you've seen it.
Speaker B:But dyed my hair.
Speaker B:Got over my blonde and had to dye my hair.
Speaker B:And it's fine.
Speaker A:You wanted to make your hair look like mine is really what it comes down to.
Speaker B:I was so copying you.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Your hair does look really good, so.
Speaker B:But I'm still Going to tweak it because I'm not super, super set on it yet.
Speaker B:It looks good, but, you know, anyways.
Speaker B:And then on this past weekend, I was inducted as a full member in my car club that I've been for a while, which is pretty cool.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I'm officially a full member of them car club.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:I was trying to make an air horn sound, but I know it came out, pew, pew.
Speaker A:So I don't know what it is.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'll just go straight ICP and go whoop, whoop.
Speaker B:But yeah, and that.
Speaker B:And then we got to go see a friend.
Speaker B:A good friend of ours, a tattoo artist, had a little art show slash exhibition slash car slash party thing at his.
Speaker B:At his shop this weekend, too.
Speaker B:Um, Cabal.
Speaker B:Cabbage.
Speaker B:Caballeros.
Speaker B:Caballeros.
Speaker B:Glass doing really, really cool glass etching.
Speaker B:Uh, so I'm excited to get some of that done to my beautiful car eventually.
Speaker B:Um, he's doing really cool shit, so, yeah, you can find him on Instagram.
Speaker B:There's my plug.
Speaker B:So what you drinking?
Speaker A:Um, I am drinking a.
Speaker A:Just a non Texas wine that I opened last night and that I had a glass and I was like, I'm too tired to drink wine, so I'm having a toot this.
Speaker A:Sweet.
Speaker A:A toot this.
Speaker A:But it's from Oregon.
Speaker B:Well, I just.
Speaker B:I think I was slightly dehydrated and I was kind of already sleepy, and so I decided wine might be risky, so I just busted out a liquid death because I am a sucker for good advertising.
Speaker B:And also there's a topo chico shortage, and I needed some sparkling water at the house, and they didn't have it, but they did have liquid death.
Speaker B:So, you know, there you go.
Speaker B:So giant.
Speaker B:Giant can of water.
Speaker B:That looks so metal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, the topo chico shortage has made it to, like, msn because I just looked it up.
Speaker A:So it is.
Speaker A:So Coca Cola is saying it's happening because of extremely strong consumer demand and a shortage of raw materials.
Speaker B:They're saying it's.
Speaker B:The glass is part of the problem is what the Coca Cola guys told me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, but, you know, I live in Texas, and we got.
Speaker A:There is amazing sparkling water that comes out of here called Richard's Rainwater.
Speaker A:There's also Rambler, there's Waterloo, there's Heb, which is what I'm drinking now, like, in addition to the wine, because I'm also trying to hydrate.
Speaker A:But I also just.
Speaker A:I was just fucking thirsty.
Speaker A:It's not even trying to Hydrate.
Speaker A:I'm just fucking thirsty.
Speaker A:I am, too.
Speaker B:I'm blaming the weather.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think we've got some allergy shit going through here or something.
Speaker B:Like, it's just been all the time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm sneezing.
Speaker A:I'm grumpy.
Speaker A:I am a dwarf.
Speaker A:And that is really tying into this episode.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And an exciting news, too.
Speaker B:We should be hydrating as we prep for our big trip coming up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I was listening to Kings of Con, which is the podcast for Richard Spade and Rob Benedict, and it sounds like.
Speaker A:I don't think Richard Spade is going to be in New Orleans.
Speaker A:I'm not sure I know.
Speaker A:Why not host the whole thing?
Speaker A:Well, Rob will probably, you know, doing it and like, something about, like, Matt Cohen not coming.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So there's just things that's up in the air and we will see what happens when we get there.
Speaker A:And you can still find us in our fancy velour sweatsuits and be.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think.
Speaker A:Is this the last one that comes out before we go or we have another one.
Speaker A:We have another.
Speaker B:Well, one more.
Speaker B:Drop the date.
Speaker B:Well, one more episode.
Speaker B:Drop the day we leave.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yup.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we'll be in New Orleans doing the con thing and doing New Orleansy things like you do.
Speaker A:Looking for my casket girls.
Speaker A:I want to find some of those.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Well, we'll do a whole lore thing on the casket girls one day.
Speaker A:So you know about them, but they're also the rumor of why people think that vampires came to New Orleans is because of them.
Speaker A:But yeah, this is my town of spooky spook and.
Speaker A:And good food and good.
Speaker A:And good music and good booze, so.
Speaker B:And Diane will be scared of all the spooky stuff.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker A:Our Airbnb is in a former synagogue and I'm very excited.
Speaker A:I'm very excited about going.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we will definitely keep you guys posted on the haps, obviously.
Speaker A:Check us out on Instagram for all of our fun pictures.
Speaker B:I'll try to go.
Speaker B:I'll try to do some.
Speaker B:I've never do it, but maybe I'll go live while we're there or something like.
Speaker B:Or do some.
Speaker A:Like, we could do some live from the Con.
Speaker A:That could be fun.
Speaker B:We don't.
Speaker A:We never do that.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we'll.
Speaker A:We'll try and be better social media,.
Speaker B:Get some more, like, real time stories going and things like that while we're there.
Speaker B:Because we try to keep up with it, but, you know, we have, you know, we have day jobs and like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So how many Instagram accounts are you managing?
Speaker B:I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker B:Don't want to talk about so many.
Speaker B:Oh, so, yeah, so many.
Speaker A:So it's just like.
Speaker A:It was like, crap.
Speaker A:I had to do research.
Speaker A:I'm really hoping, like, so work podcast.
Speaker A:I think we're not recording again this week, which was really good because it a really hard time nailing down research for this.
Speaker A:And I was like, crap, now I have to find another topic, like on cybersecurity.
Speaker A:And like, oh, no.
Speaker A:Like, I don't.
Speaker A:Oh, fuck.
Speaker A:There's too much research to do.
Speaker A:My head's going to explode.
Speaker A:But I love their research and so.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker A:It's just annoying when I can't find something that's really exciting, so.
Speaker A:And there are plenty of ways to go on this one and we'll get to what I chose.
Speaker A:But yeah, let's just go ahead and start this episode and get into it.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:I think we've covered all our bases of our crap in the beginning.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Good enough, Good enough.
Speaker A:Listen, Diana's opening crap.
Speaker A:So wait, that sounds weird.
Speaker A:All right, so as Diana said, this is Bedtime Story.
Speaker A:It's not the Madonna album.
Speaker A:This is season three, episode five.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:So we're still.
Speaker A:We're still following along.
Speaker A:It was directed by Mike Roll, who you'll remember from Usual Suspects and Fools in Prison and Catherine Humphries, who wrote Unusual Suspects and she did a bunch of other things.
Speaker A:But yeah, I think there really isn't a ton of background on this one, so we can just go rolling right into Once Upon a Time.
Speaker B:So my first comment is that this episode starts off with showing a housing development, Maple Springs, N.Y. and my first thought is there's a big sign, like, advertising this new development.
Speaker B:Like, oh, something else in a fucking new neighborhood.
Speaker B:Of fucking course, is my first thought.
Speaker A:Do you think there's just one subdivision in Vancouver that they just keep using?
Speaker A:They just keep using and they never finished it.
Speaker A:It's just some guy.
Speaker B:Like, they have developed a job and a.
Speaker B:Where like an industrial warehouse they just keep going back to over and over again?
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I mean, that's how production works, but.
Speaker B:I know, but it's just really funny.
Speaker B:Those are like their two go to sets.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I just hope, like, it's like some development where, like, the.
Speaker A:The money fell out and so now they're like, well, we just use this for film crews now.
Speaker A:Like this.
Speaker A:This is just what exists.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So at the bottom of the sign, it says once upon a time.
Speaker B:And there's three builders there, and they're arguing about their building supplies.
Speaker B:There's got warped wood, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker A:He says, you're the brick guy and I'm the wood guy.
Speaker A:So we've got the wood guy.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:Then one of them makes and like, the first kind of like a hint, I think, on this episode of what this is gonna be about other than name is one of them in the.
Speaker B:Once upon a time, you get, one of them says that a gust of wind could blow the place and the place would blow over.
Speaker B:They use that wood.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, what are we going for here?
Speaker B:So there's a noise.
Speaker B:One goes to investigate.
Speaker B:It doesn't find anything.
Speaker B:And as he turns around, there's a big, you know, goes to.
Speaker B:One of them goes to the car, and all of a sudden he gets attacked.
Speaker A:So before he got attacked, he snorted.
Speaker A:He was like.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, I missed the snort.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So two guys get attacked.
Speaker B:In the third one, as he's hiding, gets attacked as well.
Speaker B:And we cut away.
Speaker B:So we know two are, like, probably dead dead, and one we assume is dead.
Speaker B:But is he?
Speaker A:Is he.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:There's a lot of blood.
Speaker A:And we hear.
Speaker A:We hear a lot of animal noises, so we don't know what's going on.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But the intent, you know, we've already got a lot of implication that this is a take on Three Little Pigs at this point.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's what's implied here.
Speaker B:So we cut to a giant bullfrog in the middle of the road, and it almost gets hit by the impala while our.
Speaker B:Our brothers Winchester are arguing again.
Speaker A:So now we have.
Speaker A:Now we have the argument that we're going to hate for the rest of the season.
Speaker A:I feel like each season we kind of get, like, one argument that just carries over way too much.
Speaker A:And it's like, yeah, we get it.
Speaker A:You don't want Dean to die.
Speaker A:You want to fight this?
Speaker A:All right, cool.
Speaker A:Understood.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker A:We got it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I can understand why Dean's getting annoyed because I'd be like, shut the fuck up, Sam.
Speaker A:We talked about this, like, seven episodes ago.
Speaker B:We're not doing it in every episode.
Speaker A:Can you imagine being stuck in a car with your brother and he was just only talking about that one thing?
Speaker A:Yeah, I would fucking kill him.
Speaker B:Yeah, fair.
Speaker B:Same.
Speaker B:So Sam's new plan, now he wants to Take the cult to the crossroads and shoot the demon to cancel Dean Steel.
Speaker B:And Sam kind of gets some like digs in here.
Speaker B:He's like, look, you're not dad.
Speaker B:And like just kind of getting, getting in on Dean a little bit about it.
Speaker B:But either way, so they kind of have their little argument and then they're on their way to a new job where they think it could be, you know, some kind of a killer with a reference.
Speaker B:And they make a reference to the lunar cycle.
Speaker B:So now it's got our tie ins to werewolves would be our tie ins to three little pigs.
Speaker B:And that the third victim though that we thought could be alive, maybe not, is still alive.
Speaker B:So they're gonna go find.
Speaker B:To go talk to him.
Speaker B:And we cut into the doctors walking in, or excuse me, the brothers walking in trying to talk to the, to the victim.
Speaker B:And they, the, the victim just assumes that they're sketch.
Speaker B:One of them is a sketch artist for the police.
Speaker A:Which is a great premise.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker B:Oh God.
Speaker B:So, but Dean's asking a lot of questions.
Speaker B:And once again, Dean is not very empathetic in his communication where Sam is a little bit more but.
Speaker B:And, and or indelicate.
Speaker B:Not even just empathetic, but just like delicate.
Speaker B:Sam's.
Speaker B:Sam's kind of like trying to ask leading questions and Dean's asking like very like, did he.
Speaker B:What were his fingers like?
Speaker B:It was just very awkward.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But the, the victims basically saying like, like the attacker, they stopped and ran off and they're trying to get a description and he's just a normal guy and very upset by these questions.
Speaker B:They finally figure out that, you know, one of the things they get out of it is that he did have a tattoo of Wiley Coyote.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Looney Tunes tattoos, man.
Speaker A:Looney Tunes tattoos.
Speaker A:They work for cover artists everywhere.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam's drawing as the sketch artist is fucking amazing.
Speaker A:Thought it was great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they figure out.
Speaker B:So Dean's talking to the doctor and they're trying to figure out like what's up with these victims.
Speaker B:And they assume the heart would be missing, but it's not.
Speaker B:It's been chunks of the kidneys, lungs and intestines.
Speaker B:So it's probably not a werewolf then or a demon.
Speaker B:So they don't really know what they're up against at this point.
Speaker A:We don't know.
Speaker A:We just don't know what's going on.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go back to our favorite place.
Speaker A:The woods.
Speaker A:Let's go for a walk in the woods.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This couple looks fucking Stoked.
Speaker B:They're lost in the woods on a hike and lo and behold, they find an adorable little house that's like perfectly well kept in the middle of the woods.
Speaker B:And I think it was weird the house had a mailbox when there obviously wasn't like a real road.
Speaker A:That one male guy is just like, son of a bitch, I gotta go to Ethel's house.
Speaker A:God damn it, Ethel.
Speaker A:Like just get a P.O.
Speaker A:Box.
Speaker A:Like, why the fuck do you have a mailbox up here, right?
Speaker A:Amazon driver is like, jesus, Ethel, stop.
Speaker A:No words, no reply delivery for you.
Speaker A:Why does she keep ordering Amazon?
Speaker B:The house is the reason they made the drone service.
Speaker B:So anyway, there's an older lady up front, offers them to come in and rest and he and this dude like is weirdly excited about this pie on the, on the window ledge.
Speaker A:Why are you not excited about pieces?
Speaker B:Because, well a, it was look like cherry pie and I don't like cherry pie number two.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:I like most kinds of pie.
Speaker B:I don't like cherry crap typically.
Speaker B:It's just my thing anyways.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm not saying I won't eat it because I don't have self control and I like things that are bad for me, but if I have my choice, I'm not picking a cherry pie nor am I getting excited about it.
Speaker B:It's kind of like strawberry cake.
Speaker B:It's fine, but it's not my favorite.
Speaker B:I will eat it, but I'm not like, oh, that's what I'm picking.
Speaker A:The fuck is strawberry cake?
Speaker B:Like cake that.
Speaker B:Like strawberry cake.
Speaker A:That sounds like something shoulder need, I don't know.
Speaker B:So anyways, I have a family member though that's not a child that loves it very much.
Speaker B:So birthdays are always that.
Speaker B:But anyway, so the guy's like, there's a harm.
Speaker B:It's just a whole harmless old lady and he's excited about the pie.
Speaker B:I just feel like if you're sweaty in the woods, the first thing you want isn't piece personal opinion.
Speaker B:But that's me.
Speaker B:So anyways, they go inside and.
Speaker B:And are sitting with this lady at her dining room table and it's kind of weird and they eat a little bit of pie and then he get the.
Speaker B:The husband kind of gets like, looks like he's tripping balls and passes out.
Speaker A:You get cramps.
Speaker A:They got the cramps and then they got free drugs.
Speaker A:So you, you got pie, you got free drugs, Free drugs.
Speaker B:You got hooked up, man.
Speaker A:You're bitching about getting stabbed and like I gave you Pie.
Speaker A:I gave you drugs.
Speaker A:This is the price you pay.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, so she starts.
Speaker B:The old lady starts slashing and stabbing Ken, the dude, with this knife.
Speaker B:And the woman is screaming, as you would probably.
Speaker B:And then we see this.
Speaker B:Of course there's a creepy fucking kid standing outside the window.
Speaker B:Though, to be fair, she's actually a pretty little girl.
Speaker B:It's not like she's not made to be creepy kid.
Speaker B:It's creepy because it's a little kid watching this shit go down with that facial expression.
Speaker B:The child's appearance itself is not creepy.
Speaker B:Is that fair?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I mean, the child is very satisfied, which is creepy.
Speaker A:But also, like, in terms of just children.
Speaker A:I'm not afraid of this one.
Speaker A:You know, she's not a Victorian ghost child.
Speaker B:Well, that's absolutely true.
Speaker B:And she doesn't have crazy demon fingers or anything like that.
Speaker B:She's just a pretty little girl.
Speaker B:Pretty little girl with a little red bow in her hair and a pretty white dress.
Speaker A:A little white dress, a little red ribbon on it.
Speaker A:It is adorable.
Speaker A:I also really enjoyed how happy the grandma or the elderly woman was as she was stabbing people.
Speaker A:She was just like, wee.
Speaker B:And it was just like, very happy about it.
Speaker A:And it's like she's waking waited her entire life to stab somebody and she's like, this is it.
Speaker A:Like, what are they gonna do, send me to prison?
Speaker A:I'm gonna die anyways.
Speaker A:I'm like 90.
Speaker A:Just like, we need stabby, stabby, stabby.
Speaker A:Yeah, so we all wonder what I'm gonna be doing when I'm 80.
Speaker B:We'll know where to find Liz in the local penitentiary.
Speaker A:No, you'll find me in the creepy house in the woods.
Speaker B:And, I mean, after you stab people, that's where you would be.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think I won't get caught.
Speaker B:So you do listen to a lot of murder podcasts.
Speaker B:You probably find.
Speaker A:I have until I'm 80 to plan this out.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:All right, so we cut back to the hospital.
Speaker B:Our brothers are there, and the woman that was on the hike did survive.
Speaker B:She did not get killed by the old lady.
Speaker B:So it's the same doctor treating her that was also treating the brother from the other attack.
Speaker B:And so he's just kind of makes this side comment to Dean and Sam about, how is the whole town going insane?
Speaker B:So Sam's asking the woman how she got away, and she's basically like, I just didn't eat as much pie as him.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Okay, well, maybe this is a lesson in self control for me.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:But in that she shoved the old lady who cracked her head on a stone.
Speaker B:And she wasn't sure if the person was alive or not.
Speaker B:So we don't know if the old lady's alive or not.
Speaker B:And then the woman asks about the little girl.
Speaker B:And she describes the little girl and around eight years old, dark hair, pale skin and really beautiful.
Speaker B:And there hadn't been any reports of the little girl at this point.
Speaker B:So this is new news to our brothers Winchester, which is what I've decided to call him tonight.
Speaker B:I don't know why I'm doing this,.
Speaker A:But I don't know why you come up with the brothers Winchester.
Speaker A:But we have very formal.
Speaker B:It just came out a minute ago and I just, I just came back.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay.
Speaker B:Just rolling with it, rolling with it.
Speaker B:So as they go.
Speaker B:So the brothers have to go check out the old lady house.
Speaker B:Now they don't find any evidence of sulfur, but the EMF reader is going off around the window where the little girl was.
Speaker B:So now they know it's some kind of a spirit connection that this little girl is housed to this.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And they're also piecing together now the fairy tale connection.
Speaker B:You got a Hansel and Gretel element and a Three Little Pigs element.
Speaker B:Mostly Sam Dean's kind of like.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam goes into how fairy tales, when it was the Brothers Grimm was the folklore of its day.
Speaker A:So we get folklore and then like full of sex, violence and cannibalism.
Speaker A:These are a few of my favorite things.
Speaker A:Okay, so let's go into Laura here because I told you it took me a while.
Speaker A:So we're going to do lore early.
Speaker A:But you know, also this is going to probably be a short episode because there isn't a ton of in depth meta to go through.
Speaker A:But so for lore, Here's some random shit about fairy tales.
Speaker B:Woo hoo.
Speaker A:Okay, so random, random shit about fairy tales.
Speaker A:So specifically, we're going to talk about a few.
Speaker A:But for those of you who live under rocks and don't know who their Brothers Grimm are, you should watch Grimm, the TV show because it was great.
Speaker A:Don't watch Hansel and Gretel, the movie that was terrible.
Speaker A:I think there was another Grimm, like the Brothers Grimm movie that was also awful.
Speaker A:But so beyond that.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:And so they published a collection of 86 folktales known as the Kinder Own House Merchant.
Speaker A:Merchant.
Speaker A:There's an umlaut in the air.
Speaker A:So Kinder Own House Merchant.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So Merkin.
Speaker A:Yes, merkin.
Speaker A:House merkins.
Speaker A:That's what it was, was house merkins.
Speaker A:So this translated to English as, you know, Grimm's Fairy Tales.
Speaker A:And so from historical concept, there is a bunch of nationalism that was sweeping over Germany at this time, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes, you know, it can go bad.
Speaker A:So they were using this a lot as to be like, these are.
Speaker A:This is our culture, these are our national things, and we're all really happ about them.
Speaker A:But they did.
Speaker A:Some of them did tend to have.
Speaker A:There was some anti Semitic things in a few of them.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But also, like to the point where after World War II, when the Allies came in or taking.
Speaker A:You were basically lording over Germany, they banned Grimm's Fairy tales because they were like, this is like why they're Nazis is because of Grimm's Fairy Tales.
Speaker A:So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker A:Not necessarily true.
Speaker A:But, you know, they're like, clearly like every.
Speaker A:All the Germans in these tales are really evil and cruel.
Speaker A:Because if you don't know, the original Grimm's Fairy tales, like Sam said, were full of sex, violence, cannibalism, like, they were not like, happy little fun things.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about banning books.
Speaker B:Always goes really well.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:So setting things on fire is always cool.
Speaker A:So we're going to start off with some interesting facts about Cinderella.
Speaker A:So, and this is right before we get to the Cinderella part of this episode.
Speaker A:But, you know, know, whatever.
Speaker A:So one theory is that the glass slipper was actually a metaphor for a vagina.
Speaker A:So that was something I learned.
Speaker A:So this is based on the fact that the glass slipper, also known as the pontoufle de vere in French, could have been a misinterpretation of the term.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Like, there's a French person somewhere killing me.
Speaker A:But that means that word means fur slipper, which does sound like a vagina of the sign.
Speaker A:So it was a fur slipper.
Speaker A:So, you know, like a penis going in to see if it fits.
Speaker A:They also think that, you know, parole, like, actually have a glass face slipper, the slipper be glass, because glass is very expensive.
Speaker A:And therefore, just like a woman's virginity is something to be cherished, so was glass.
Speaker A:And only, like, a rich guy could afford it.
Speaker A:So, and I think this has come out in some other stories.
Speaker A:But so in the German version of this, the evil stepsisters do cut off their toes and their heels to try and fit into the shoes, basically.
Speaker A:So, like, now the shoes are covered in blood, right?
Speaker A:So you get this glass slipper, that's.
Speaker B:Just like, full, slippery and gross.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, does that lube it up so, like, the foot can go in easier?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like.
Speaker B:It's like, you know, like, if you're gonna lose a lot of friction that way you don't have, like, the skin rubbing you just like this, like.
Speaker B:Like meaty, sinewy foot.
Speaker B:Like, it would slide in better, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's one.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's one thought.
Speaker A:Another one.
Speaker A:Is that because it was bloody?
Speaker A:That also goes into.
Speaker A:It's like a hymen.
Speaker A:Because these sisters were not as clean and as virgin as Cinderella was.
Speaker A:So there she was, all bloody from their hymen.
Speaker A:I don't know who the fuck came up with that.
Speaker A:Is all their research.
Speaker A:I think you're digging on that one, but cool.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So not only did they, like, do that, also the stepsisters had their eyes pecked out by.
Speaker A:By doves.
Speaker A:So they had to spend after, like, Cinderella got married, they had to go as blind beggars.
Speaker A:Okay, so Little Red Riding Hood again, this is awesome.
Speaker A:They came from Charles Perrault.
Speaker A:So we've got the Grin brothers and we have Charles, who is the French guy.
Speaker A:He's the one.
Speaker A:He also wrote the Little Mermaid with his version of Red Riding Hood.
Speaker A:The young girl was tricked into her grandmother's bed by the wolf and then takes off all her clothing and then is eaten.
Speaker A:Yeah, so there's that one.
Speaker A:There's also a version where she actually eats her grandmother and drinks a wine glass of her blood the wolf left out.
Speaker A:So that's where the cannibalism idea.
Speaker A:So that's more the original one of Red Riding Hood that she actually eats Grandma.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes, that happened.
Speaker A:Okay, so Hansel and Gretel.
Speaker A:So the Hansel and Gretel.
Speaker A:And I don't really actually have any notes on this part of it.
Speaker A:I'm speaking off the cuff here.
Speaker A:So one of the things about why Hansel and Gretel was something was really important to Germany and just at the time was that they're really poor.
Speaker A:And so when you're really poor, they would just leave their kids in the woods to die.
Speaker A:So a lot of people think this is a metaphor for that and just that kind of warning of, yeah, you may get left in the woods to die if you don't obey your bear parents.
Speaker B:But the reward is if you get left in the woods to die, you get to eat the candy house and get free drugs.
Speaker A:So in the original.
Speaker A:So the brothers inspiration Came from a French fairy tale.
Speaker A:A lot of the German stuff came from French, which is really weird if you think about, like, we're trying to promote naturalism, but they're coming from a lot of French places.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:So there was a French fairy tale named the Lost Children, and in that one, they find the old woman's house.
Speaker A:And then the old woman's like, you've gotta hide because my husband's Satan and he's going to eat you.
Speaker A:But the devil smelled them because they smelled like Christians.
Speaker A:And then he put them into a barn and tried to fatten them up.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So when he was ready to eat them, he was like, here's my saw horse.
Speaker A:Can you get on this so I can bleed you?
Speaker A:And they're like, we don't understand what you're saying.
Speaker A:Because they're like, I like how, like, the word work out there.
Speaker A:So, like, they pretend to misunderstand.
Speaker A:I don't think I would be misunderstanding.
Speaker A:I'd be like, you want me to get on what?
Speaker A:Like, you want me to be on your.
Speaker A:On your saw horse?
Speaker A:I don't understand what.
Speaker A:You want.
Speaker A:You want me to go.
Speaker A:To go where?
Speaker B:And so this is Satan, who's married to the old lady.
Speaker B:Well, the lady.
Speaker B:And he can smell Christians.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this makes this how it works.
Speaker A:And then they're like, we don't understand.
Speaker A:We're dumb French children.
Speaker A:We don't understand.
Speaker A:Wait, wait, that went to German.
Speaker A:Shit.
Speaker A:How do I get on the saw horse?
Speaker A:And the old lady is like.
Speaker A:She's like, I will show you.
Speaker A:And then they just tied her to the sawhorse and they slit her throat.
Speaker A:And then they stole.
Speaker A:They stole Satan's gold.
Speaker A:So good off of them.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But also there, I feel like, Satan,.
Speaker B:Be proud of them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, hey, all right, cool.
Speaker A:Like, you got.
Speaker A:You got.
Speaker A:You know, he'd be happy with you.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But obviously this gets translated to the witch in the Grimace version who's got a house of cake and sugar that, you know, kids want to come to you, but is thought to be a metaphor for hunger, where everybody was starving.
Speaker A:All right, so that sounds long ago.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:And the last one we're going to talk about is, of course, Snow White, which is gets, you know, referenced in this episode a lot.
Speaker A:Diana will post a picture of my lovely poison apple to the face to the Instagram page.
Speaker A:I almost said Facebook, even though I don't have Facebook page, you know, or meta.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:So anyways, so there's, like, a couple of things I think that are interesting About Snow White.
Speaker A:So one was how the name came to be.
Speaker A:So, you know, we know, like in the.
Speaker A:The Disney version, how they come through, like, you know, say, like, oh, they look at her and they're like, oh, no, she.
Speaker A:I want to.
Speaker A:She looks like Snow White.
Speaker A:She's got blah, blah, blah, whatever, all the shit they say.
Speaker A:But really, what.
Speaker A:In the original one, her mother is sewing, and she's watching snow go in the castle, and she pricks herself in the needle.
Speaker A:The blood lands on the snow because she had it open watching the snow.
Speaker A:I don't know why that seems really cold.
Speaker A:Also, don't know how she had a glass window in a castle.
Speaker A:That seems weird, but apparently when she pricked herself, the blood fell into the snow, and there was a frame of wood around it, which was like ebony.
Speaker A:And so her mother said, only I had a child as white as snow, lips as red as blood, and as black as the wood in this frame.
Speaker A:So I also kind of have always had this thing about lips as red as blood, because what is it red?
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This is color of blood.
Speaker A:Well, I'm pointing at my lips, but you guys can't see.
Speaker B:But it's not bright red.
Speaker B:It's dark.
Speaker A:It's a crimson.
Speaker A:It's like a purple.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's not blood red.
Speaker A:So anyways, so in.
Speaker B:Unless you, like, smear it, like, dilute it, then it gets brighter because it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, there's all sorts of ways to make the blood less, you know, less purple.
Speaker A:But so I think what's important there is in the original version, that it wasn't a stepmother.
Speaker A:It was actually her mom, who was the queen.
Speaker A:And eventually they changed that because of ideals of womanhood and, like, why mothers are supposed to be important.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: But in the: Speaker A:So mom died in childbirth, and then the queen became her stepmother.
Speaker A:So it switched out to go from mom to stepmother.
Speaker A:So in the original ones, she is a witch.
Speaker A:Like, she's just a fucking witch.
Speaker A:Like, this is how she knows how to poison apples.
Speaker A:She knows how to make corsets that are full of poison and combs that are full of poison.
Speaker A:Yeah, the original one had a poison corset in it, which I thought was really great.
Speaker A:Well, it's actually, like, her stays of her dress.
Speaker A:Like, it's her bodice that's poisoned.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she doesn't, like, dress like in the Disney movie.
Speaker A:She's like, oh, I'm this crazy old crone.
Speaker A:But in the original one, she's just like, I'm just me.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm a witch.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And she was like, also really beautiful.
Speaker A:So she wasn't like an ugly lady, I guess, though the queen, the stepmother in the Disney one, she's still pretty.
Speaker A:I guess she is.
Speaker A:But anyways, so that's one thing.
Speaker A:In the Disney one, we know that they say that she wants her heart, but in the originals is she wanted their lungs and their liver and she.
Speaker A:And so the huntsman brings in the boar, but this woman really thinks that she's eating her child's insides.
Speaker A:Oh, I get to how old Snow White was in the original.
Speaker A:Like, this is really even weirder because basically she's like, hey, I want to eat this child's liver and her lungs because they're tasty.
Speaker B:Why would you just want the heart then, too?
Speaker B:Like, it's very confusing.
Speaker A:If you want to get your.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's your nose to tail.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Want to get your off your offal on.
Speaker A:So if you're going to have your offal, like, you need to have all of it.
Speaker A:Like, why didn't you eat the brains?
Speaker A:Like, brains are part of that, too.
Speaker A:Like, what about the sweet breads?
Speaker A:Like, that would be her pancreas.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, a better pancreas was pretty tasty.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So there's that.
Speaker A:And so also in the original version, you know, so instead of, like, the prince, like, kissing her, really what happens is that her.
Speaker A:His servants are carrying her around.
Speaker A:I'm quoting.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:Sorry, I'll post the source out where they came from.
Speaker A:I'm quoting somebody else's thing here.
Speaker A:So she says one of the prince's servants became mad that he had to carry Snow White's coffin around.
Speaker A:And when given an opportunity to do so, he lifted the lid of the coffin, reached inside, and hit Snow White, which caused her to spit out the chunk of poison apple.
Speaker A:So they're carrying around, like, this dead girl that this prince has picked up.
Speaker B:All they had to do was get annoyed enough to pull the chunk of poison apple out of her fucking mouth, smack that shit out of her face, she'll be fine.
Speaker A:But I just, like.
Speaker A:It's just this dead girl.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm just tired of this.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna punch his corpse.
Speaker A:He punches the corps so the apple falls out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So ridiculous.
Speaker B:Wasn't the Huntsman.
Speaker B:Wasn't that.
Speaker B:That's the real life one they did recently, right?
Speaker A:The Huntsman was the one yeah.
Speaker A:Also not a good movie, I don't think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I mean, I will say that.
Speaker B:What's her name?
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Charlize Theron's fucking wardrobe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Bomb.
Speaker B:She's stunning.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I'm gonna skip to this part.
Speaker A:So one thing within the ver.
Speaker A:The Grimm's version of it.
Speaker A:Snow White was fucking seven.
Speaker B:Just drop my pen.
Speaker A:Yeah, because it's disturbing.
Speaker A:Because it's fucking disturbing.
Speaker B:Because you're so worried about her being prettier than you when she's seven that you have to eat her fucking dog.
Speaker A:She's seven.
Speaker A:You wanted to eat a seven year old.
Speaker B:And I go back to that.
Speaker B:How many cute kids are there in the world and not good looking adults.
Speaker A:Because she might not.
Speaker B:It may not have held up.
Speaker B:It might not have held up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, she may not have turned out well.
Speaker A:You don't know.
Speaker A:And then it also goes to the point of how long was she dead in this coffin and was she aging or was this prince trying to fuck a 7 year old?
Speaker A:Which I really think is what he was trying to do.
Speaker A:He wanted to take this visit.
Speaker A:It's like so disturbing.
Speaker B:He didn't want to fuck her.
Speaker B:He just wanted to marry her for political reasons.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:I'm cringing as I say that I'm cringing.
Speaker B:I'm not justifying at all.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So very upsetting information.
Speaker A:Well, all the fairy tales are very upsetting.
Speaker A:And that's kind of the point of this is like they, they sucked because people suck.
Speaker A:And they're actually very pedo.
Speaker B:Very pedo y.
Speaker B:That's all.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, everyone, we're pedosing.
Speaker A:That's just pretty much the rule of the land.
Speaker A:Like everyone was growing and they fuck children.
Speaker A:That is the history of time.
Speaker B:So one, everyone is gross and they fuck children.
Speaker B:That's your history lesson.
Speaker A:Thanks, Liz.
Speaker A:There's your history lesson for the day.
Speaker A:You are welcome.
Speaker A:Let's see if that goes into the highlight reel.
Speaker A:So one last thing to say just about this.
Speaker A:So the way the original queen dies is pretty great.
Speaker A:So the prince takes up his child bride to the castle and it's like, ah, this is my bride.
Speaker A:So he sees the queen and he knows who she is.
Speaker A:So he has his guards grab her.
Speaker A:He has a pair of iron shoes made and then they're heated up until they're really hot.
Speaker A:Then made the queen get into them and then dance until she died.
Speaker B:I have no words.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm gonna file that away for like next time I want to like wish something bad on somebody.
Speaker B:No, not really.
Speaker B:I don't know if I need that karma karmic weight on me.
Speaker B:That's fucked.
Speaker A:That's fucked up.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So yeah there I obviously like you can go through like all these, these fairy tales and they're awful, but highly entertaining.
Speaker A:I say the one there is another German one that is like.
Speaker A:Peter.
Speaker A:Oh God.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:They made this really great musical out of it.
Speaker A:It's like blood something Peter.
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker A:I'll have to look it up and post it.
Speaker A:But Tiger Lily who is like this weird gothic three piece band with a upright bass and a person singing a falsetto.
Speaker A:It's like strom headed Peter.
Speaker A:Like it means blonde Peter.
Speaker A:Like so if someone do that German translation you can find the name of the musical in the books.
Speaker A:But it's all these great stories of like children getting punished.
Speaker A:And it's one of the favorite musicals I've ever seen because they have things or like this kid like has to like cut off his thumb and in the musical when they cut off his thumb like red ribbons came flowing out to like represent the blood.
Speaker A:It was really great.
Speaker A:It was one of my favorite things I've ever seen.
Speaker A:But anyhow, because German fairy tales are weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:That's lore we get back to get back to our sex and cannibalism.
Speaker B:Sex cannibalism and don't forget the violence.
Speaker B:So speaking of, they've.
Speaker B:The brothers kind of haven't had any luck.
Speaker B:They've done their research, looking, trying to figure out who this.
Speaker B:Looking to see if there's any dead or missing girls around this girl's age that they.
Speaker B:That has been reported seen at this location at the old house, at the old lady's house.
Speaker B:And they just haven't found anything.
Speaker B:There's nothing that they can figure out.
Speaker B:It could be like a distressed spirit or anything.
Speaker B:So they're going through other things.
Speaker B:Could it be some kind of spirit hypnosis or some kind of trance or a puppet?
Speaker B:And then we see that bullfrog show.
Speaker A:Up again one second before they go to the bullfrog.
Speaker A:So one thing that gets dropped here and this almost became a lore topic was Lillian Bailey.
Speaker A:So Sam, Sam brings up the medium, Lillian Bailey.
Speaker A:He said, you know, go into trances and be controlled by spirits.
Speaker A:Not going to go too much into her.
Speaker A:But I will say that she once conducted a seance with Queen Elizabeth ii.
Speaker A:Like the current Queen of England was in a seance with this woman and a whole bunch of other royal people, Cecilia And Bailey, maybe someday we'll talk about her.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:All right, so we got our bullfrog.
Speaker B:We got our bullfrog.
Speaker B:And at this point, Dean's still been pretty skeptical of the fairy tale approach.
Speaker B:That Sam's pretty much like, this is what's happening.
Speaker B:And then they see a pumpkin on a front porch.
Speaker B:So Sam points that out.
Speaker B:And then a mice.
Speaker B:A mice.
Speaker B:A mice runs across.
Speaker B:A mouse runs across the porch.
Speaker B:And so Sam's like, this is.
Speaker B:This has got to be a sign.
Speaker B:This has got to be a Cinderella.
Speaker B:We need to, you know, go check this shit out.
Speaker B:Dean makes some really obnoxious gay jokes after they do their B and E and about fairy godmothers and anyways, making fun of Sam like he does.
Speaker B:So now they've broken into this house, have guns pulled, and they find a young woman handcuffed to the stove.
Speaker A:Stove.
Speaker B:She says that her stepmother just freaked out, out of nowhere, beat her up and chained her up to the stove.
Speaker A:You know, like.
Speaker A:Like mom Steve.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But then Dean sees the little girl that's been reported.
Speaker B:So he goes after her.
Speaker B:Now the kid's kind of creepy because she keeps like, just like stopping and staring.
Speaker B:I'm like, still a pretty little girl, but it's fucking creepy.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker B:And as he's following her across the house, she kind of like pops up and appears.
Speaker B:And finally he asks, who are you?
Speaker B:She flickers out and disappears, but leaves.
Speaker B:Leaves behind an apple.
Speaker B:So now we only.
Speaker B:Not only do we have a Cinderella tie in, we also have our Snow White tie in.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:In the.
Speaker B:As we're cutting the next scene, Sam says the paramedics picked up Cinderella, which.
Speaker A:I just found a funny line also, when they.
Speaker A:I was trying to read my notes.
Speaker A:I'm like, what did you mean by Fairy tale boy identifies Snow White?
Speaker A:But I guess fairy tale boy boy is Sam.
Speaker A:And so fairy tale boy has identified Snow White and Dean's like, I have seen the porn version.
Speaker B:Yes, that's what he says.
Speaker B:I had that note too.
Speaker A:I think I've also seen the porn version.
Speaker A:So at least I know I've seen the porn version of Red Riding Hood.
Speaker A:And I'm sure there is a porn version of Snow White.
Speaker A:Actually, it's probably really awful.
Speaker A:You think about it?
Speaker B:Sound good?
Speaker A:I think it's going to necrophilia in.
Speaker B:Or not good.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, let's not think about that porn.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:Okay, so we're going to.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, those dwarfs.
Speaker B:Dwarves.
Speaker A:All the dwarves.
Speaker A:No, I have seen that.
Speaker A:I have seen the foreign version.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Things that trigger a memory.
Speaker A:Like, oh, no, no, I have.
Speaker A:All right, so we're gonna get up at hostage.
Speaker B:Well, before this.
Speaker B:Sam explains to Dean that the poison apple doesn't necessarily kill the person that eats at Snow White.
Speaker B:It puts them in a deep, deep sleep.
Speaker B:Almost like death.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Until somebody punches her.
Speaker B:Until somebody punches them in the face.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So back at the hospital, Dean's trying to get information out of this nurse, and he's like.
Speaker B:And then they're trying to figure out if there's any comatose young girls there, and there's not.
Speaker B:She's like.
Speaker B:It's all old people.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:But except for Callie ends up.
Speaker B:There's this girl named Callie who happens to be Dr. Garrison, the doctor that's been helping with all these cases.
Speaker B:Daughter.
Speaker B:And she's been there longer than this nurse had worked at the hospital.
Speaker B:So we cut to Dr. Garrison reading brothers Grimm and incidentally, reading the Little Red Riding Hood story.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Then to a young woman that's unconscious.
Speaker B:We cut also to this point.
Speaker B:We kind of do a back and forth thing.
Speaker B:It's kind of a lot.
Speaker A:And I think one thing to note about the unconscious woman is that she's older, Right.
Speaker A:She's not.
Speaker B:This is probably, like.
Speaker B:She's probably, like, mid.
Speaker A:Late teens.
Speaker A:Yeah, I didn't say that.
Speaker A:But, I mean, so it clearly looks like a little girl, but just kind.
Speaker B:Of hair, fair skin, but not.
Speaker A:And a really pretty white nightgown.
Speaker A:I'm like, that nightgown was adorable, and I want it.
Speaker B:So we cut to an old lady loading.
Speaker A:Oh, I say old lady.
Speaker B:An older woman loading groceries into her minivan.
Speaker B:And this young man goes to help her.
Speaker B:But then after he helps her load groceries in the car, all of a sudden, he turns and he attacks her.
Speaker B:He's got that W. Riley coyote tattoo, so we recognize that.
Speaker B:And he just.
Speaker B:He's punching the shit out of this.
Speaker A:Lady, by the way.
Speaker B:It's almost a lot to watch.
Speaker B:And they're not even showing it.
Speaker B:It's just, like, through the windshield.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:He is just like.
Speaker A:Maybe she had an apple in her mouth and he was trying to save him.
Speaker B:He just keeps wailing on her.
Speaker B:Like, it was.
Speaker B:I was like, okay.
Speaker A:It was very traumatizing.
Speaker B:I think she's unconscious now.
Speaker A:You're good.
Speaker B:Like, if she's not, she deserves to get away.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, that deserves to be a tough old broad.
Speaker A:Like, I never.
Speaker A:Every time I hear about, like, serial killers, like.
Speaker A:Like, Richard Ramirez is one of them.
Speaker A:Like, people who like rape or kill old people.
Speaker A:I'm like, how do you do that?
Speaker A:Like, how could you actually hit a grandma?
Speaker A:Like, And I had a really bitch ass grandma.
Speaker A:She sucked.
Speaker A:I still wouldn't punch her.
Speaker A:You know, she was an elderly woman.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not going to punch the.
Speaker A:Like, it's a pretty good line.
Speaker A:Don't punch the elderly, like kids and old people.
Speaker B:Is that kind of, like the rules?
Speaker B:Well, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:You're just talking about children.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So, but as this is happening, we get a scene from outside of the vehicle, and he's stealing the minivan.
Speaker B:And a little girl is watching this.
Speaker B:Our little.
Speaker B:Our little girl in the red ribbon is watching all this happen.
Speaker B:We cut back to the hospital and our brothers Winchester have located a room name labeled Garrison C. So we know it's Callie's room.
Speaker B:And they find Dr. Garrison reading to this girl in there.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's what they find out.
Speaker B:And so they ask Sam, once again, with some empathy, Dean, very, very fucking bluntly about Callie ends up.
Speaker B:She's been there since she was 8 years old.
Speaker B:She swallowed bleach.
Speaker B:She was found by her stepmother, who has since passed away.
Speaker A:So does bleach put you in a coma?
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker B:That's what I was gonna say too.
Speaker B:I was kind of like, we need to research our.
Speaker B:Our poison.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Can we call.
Speaker B:Can we call poison control?
Speaker B:What do they have to say about this?
Speaker A:I was gonna call Donald Trump and ask him, like, what happens if he drinks?
Speaker B:How much bleach do I need to drink to be in a coma for like a decade?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But anyways, so they're like.
Speaker B:They're like.
Speaker B:Sam's like, this is Snow White and Spades.
Speaker B:So they think that her spirit could be stuck and.
Speaker B:Or angry or in pain.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And that's why they're.
Speaker B:That she might be causing this all to happen.
Speaker B:As this is all going down, a woman gets rolled in that was bitten by possibly a wolf of some kind.
Speaker B:She's deceased.
Speaker B:And she was found by the side of the road barely alive, but has a granddaughter.
Speaker B:So Sam wants to stay.
Speaker B:Sam is supposed to stay at the hospital and stop Callie from continuing this mess.
Speaker B:Dean is, I'm gonna go stop the big bad wolf, which is the weirdest thing I've ever said.
Speaker B:There's Dean.
Speaker B:So we see a little girl in a really fucking adorable red hoodie leaving a school, and she sees grandma's minivan.
Speaker B:And you're like, oh, fuck.
Speaker B:That's not grandma in the van.
Speaker B:Not grandma in the van.
Speaker B:And it's not.
Speaker B:It's the creepy dude.
Speaker B:And he locks her inside and they drive off.
Speaker B:But, like, do you notice it's like a little like a capelet hoodie combo thing she has on.
Speaker B:It was really.
Speaker A:It was lovely.
Speaker A:And it reminded me of Cheryl's.
Speaker B:Like, Cheryl Blossom would totally wear something like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, Cheryl Blossom is wearing some amazing red capes in the seasons that I'm in.
Speaker A:And it really made me want the little Red Riding Hood cape, like, coat.
Speaker A:And, like, it would not look that adorable on me.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:No, it looks great on her, but nobody else would it look good on.
Speaker A:On this little child.
Speaker A:This horrible.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we've got Sam at the hospital, and he's like, look.
Speaker B:He just straight up approach, you know, goes up to Dr. Garrison to talk about it.
Speaker B:He's like, look, it wasn't an accident.
Speaker B:Callie was poisoned.
Speaker B:And doctor's pissed because basically it's like saying that, hey, you're now dead, wife, who you obviously loved, tried to kill your fucking child ten years ago.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Sam's kind of just like pushing the issue, tries to explain that Callie's hurting people as a spirit.
Speaker B:The doctor actually then pauses and then is like, oh, so you've seen it too.
Speaker B:So that means he's seen Callie's spirit at some point in time.
Speaker B:We cut back to Dean trying to save little girl.
Speaker B:Little girl is okay so far.
Speaker B:She's just.
Speaker B:She, like, might be a little bit injured, but she's hiding.
Speaker B:She's alive.
Speaker B:And as he's approaching her, Wile E. Coyote guy, because that's what I'm calling him at this point, attacks him from the buck.
Speaker B:And he's really fucking strong.
Speaker B:Like, this is not a kiss Dean's ass.
Speaker A:Dean is getting his ass beaten by Willie.
Speaker A:So you call him Wally Kid.
Speaker A:A guy.
Speaker A:And I was calling him Willie.
Speaker A:So Willie is meeting up Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And as.
Speaker B:And we come back to the hospital, doctor's like, oh, yeah, I've sensed Callie, and I've seen her at the foot of my bed, but she looks exactly like she did when she was 8 years old.
Speaker B:And so, like, which would make sense because if that's the last time she was conscious, that's how she would see her so self too.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:As a spirit, I would think.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm guessing, but it makes sense.
Speaker B:But the doctors basically figured out that Sam and Dean are not detectives.
Speaker B:But he just now figured this out, but he really doesn't want to believe also that his wife poisoned Callie.
Speaker B:So Sam just.
Speaker B:Sam's like, basically saying, you need to listen to your daughter's message then.
Speaker B:And at this point, this is really fucking sad, by the way, to me, but I'll come back to that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So at this point, we've got Dean and Wiley, Willie, whatever you want to call them, like, really fucking up some nice furniture in this dining room that looks like a very dated but expensive china cabinet.
Speaker B:And we see little girl Callie watching, but kind of flickers away.
Speaker B:The doctor.
Speaker B:We cut to the hospital, and probably the reason she flickered out is because her dad, Dr. Garrison, is talking to her.
Speaker B:He's asking for a way to tell him if mommy did this.
Speaker B:And the little girl's spirit appears next to him, and he asks if it's true.
Speaker B:And she nods.
Speaker B:It's really sad.
Speaker B:It was really sad because he's so for.
Speaker B:So his daughter got sick and went into a coma.
Speaker B:Like this poor bastard.
Speaker B:Like, really like this poor doctor.
Speaker A:He needs therapy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And then the one thing he had left other than his unconscious vegetative state daughter was his wife that he obviously felt some love for.
Speaker B:And I'm sure she was trying to be supportive wife during all of this horrid experience of having a hospitalized vegetative child.
Speaker B:And this bitch just, like, lived that life knowing all along she had fucking done this shit to him and to this little girl.
Speaker B:And then bitch dies and gets away with it.
Speaker A:Well, I bet, like, if he'd known, like, he could have just punched his child and she would have come out of the coma, like, everything, and he.
Speaker B:Could have punched the stepmom and everybody would have been happy.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, too, like, also, that is Munchausen, right?
Speaker A:Which is what Dean.
Speaker A:Dean has figured out because of the sixth sense that the stepmother likely was suffering from Munchausen by proxy, which, you know, is she wants the attention that she's getting because of child sick.
Speaker A:So, yeah, she got child in a coma.
Speaker A:Like, she was getting.
Speaker A:Getting some good, good Munchausen energy off of that.
Speaker A:She's kind of like calling from what we do in the shadows.
Speaker A:She's Munchausen by proxy.
Speaker A:Women.
Speaker A:Or generally they're women, but they can be men, but usually they're women.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, they are.
Speaker A:They are psychic vampires.
Speaker A:They're calling Robinson's.
Speaker A:And that is what we will call them from now on.
Speaker A:So Colin Robinson, poison.
Speaker A:Poisoned.
Speaker A:Poisoned the little girl.
Speaker B:But then we get a very sweet scene.
Speaker B:Oh, we've got.
Speaker B:Not yet.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we've got Dean and Wiley coyote fighting.
Speaker B:And Dean's about to stab Wiley with big ass scissors.
Speaker B:But then we cut back to the hospital where Dr. Garrison apologizes to his daughter, but asks her to stop hurting people now that he knows the truth and it's time for her to let go and for him to let go.
Speaker B:And he kisses the real girl, not the spirit, because that's.
Speaker B:That'd be weird.
Speaker B:And then she.
Speaker B:There's a flatline noise.
Speaker A:Kissing us.
Speaker A:A seven year old ghost would be weird.
Speaker A:That's what.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:That's the line.
Speaker B:That's my line.
Speaker A:Apparently that's how you're not gonna cross.
Speaker A:You can't kiss the ghost girl.
Speaker A:You only kiss the coma girl.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:But it was a really sad fucking scene.
Speaker B:It bothered me.
Speaker A:It was sweet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So back at the house, right when Dean's about to kill fucking Wile E. Coyote dude, the guy said suddenly, like snaps out of it and is like, stop.
Speaker B:Where am I?
Speaker B:Just kind of sad and funny too.
Speaker A:But, like, what happens to Willie?
Speaker A:Like, he go to prison.
Speaker B:He killed people.
Speaker A:He killed a grandma.
Speaker B:Like he killed a grandma and those two.
Speaker B:And those two construction guys.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So probably, hopefully, like he did other bad things in his life he just hasn't atoned for.
Speaker A:So the prison sentences are fine?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, this guy's going to prison for a long.
Speaker A:Forever.
Speaker A:Like, this is death penalty.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, what state are they in?
Speaker B:New York?
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe if it was Texas, you.
Speaker A:Would have been dead like a little child when I punched him to death.
Speaker B:So can we make that the way they kill people?
Speaker B:Just small children.
Speaker B:It would take so long.
Speaker B:It would be hilarious.
Speaker B:Serious.
Speaker B:That's mean.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:We have sympathy and empathy for people.
Speaker A:We swear.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:People don't deserve to live.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Well, cruel and unusual punishment.
Speaker B:Not a fan.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:It's just funny.
Speaker A:Is that cruel than usual or just funny?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we've got.
Speaker B:Back at the hospital, we've got the doctors obviously upset, but he's talking to the brothers.
Speaker B:Basically he's just mostly relieved that the little girl, Little Red Riding Hood girl is okay.
Speaker B:He says that Callie had been most important thing in his life, but he should have let her go a long time ago.
Speaker B:And he leaves.
Speaker B:And I thought that was a pretty interesting thing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:It was pretty interesting because it implied that he had maybe not accepted that she was gone still, but.
Speaker B:And Then this.
Speaker B:Of course, the brothers are able to dovetail this into their own issue.
Speaker B:So Dean tells Sam that I was.
Speaker B:Good advice.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, if that's.
Speaker B:If that's.
Speaker B:Is that what you want?
Speaker B:And they walk away.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because everything.
Speaker A:Because Sam's a narcissist and everything is about him, so.
Speaker A:And so is Dean.
Speaker A:So I guess that is.
Speaker A:The show is about the.
Speaker A:So, okay, maybe they're not narcissists, but.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:Okay, so they walk off.
Speaker B:Closing scene.
Speaker B:We get a big closing scene.
Speaker A:We have two, but technically two.
Speaker A:I guess they're almost two scenes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So we're in a flasho motel room, which is, like, a really nice, comfy, like, motel room.
Speaker A:Like, those sheets looked lovely.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, yeah, I would stay in that room.
Speaker A:This was great.
Speaker B:Oh, and it's Dean sleeping, and Sam is sneaking out.
Speaker B:Out.
Speaker B:And where is he going?
Speaker B:He's going to the motherfucking crossroads, like he said at the beginning of the episode he wanted to do.
Speaker B:So he gets the crossroads demon to appear.
Speaker B:By the way, it's a different actress.
Speaker A:This time, so it is a different actress.
Speaker A:So this is Sandra McCoy, who is actually Jared Padalecki's girlfriend at the time, which is funny because he also met his.
Speaker A:His wife Genevieve on the show.
Speaker A:So, yeah, Jared fucked actresses who were.
Speaker A:No, I guess, interesting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But this one, yeah, that was his girlfriend.
Speaker B:Well, anyway, so she calls Sam little Sammy Winchester.
Speaker B:He tells her to beg for her life while he's got the cult pointed at her.
Speaker B:She's like, no, it's not the original cult.
Speaker B:But she does figure out that Ruby's involved in all this, which is interesting.
Speaker B:I thought that.
Speaker B:That the other demons are aware of Ruby's interactions with the Winchesters.
Speaker A:And it really makes you wonder, like, what the demon chatter is.
Speaker A:Like, do they have, like, a Facebook group?
Speaker A:Like, where is there a giant, like, demon group text that's going on that.
Speaker B:Seems very unmanageable to have as a group text.
Speaker A:Yeah, probably.
Speaker A:Is it slack?
Speaker A:Is it a discord?
Speaker A:Like, the demon discord is there.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:They've got a small.
Speaker B:Small, like, small group Facebook page that only they can post to.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker A:They are evil.
Speaker A:So that would make.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Demons on Facebook.
Speaker A:Yeah, it tracks.
Speaker A:And they're.
Speaker B:Sam wants her to let Dean out of his deal or she stops breathing.
Speaker B:So he says.
Speaker B:She laughs, though.
Speaker B:She's like, do you even really want to get Dean out of this?
Speaker B:And, like, kind of gives, like, this whole thing about how Sam would Be better off without Dean.
Speaker B:10 Have to clean up effort masses not treated like I guess it's not.
Speaker B:It's not Rose little brother and that he's stronger and better and will be relieved when Dean's gone that he'll be free.
Speaker B:Like, oh, this is kind of fucked.
Speaker B:And like.
Speaker B:And she calls him out like Dean, Sam tells the demon to shut.
Speaker B:Shut up.
Speaker B:But she's kind of like, you protest too much.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:She's kind of right.
Speaker B:She obviously hit some nerves and I know that's what they do, but I don't think that's obviously Sam's true heart.
Speaker B:But obviously there's some issues.
Speaker B:So as she's like, no, I'm not letting out the deal.
Speaker B:It's ironclad, fair and square.
Speaker B:Killing me ain't even gonna break it.
Speaker B:I answer to somebody else.
Speaker B:My boss wants Dean soul that bad.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:Sam wants to know who this boss is.
Speaker B:She won't say.
Speaker B:Insists that there's not a way out.
Speaker B:So what does he do?
Speaker B:Shoots her in the fucking head with the cold.
Speaker B:And she did.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think, you know, but it is interesting that we, you know, we're learning that there's a potentially another player.
Speaker A:Like, you know, there's many layers to the demon onion.
Speaker A:You know, it's like, I don't own this.
Speaker A:My boss does.
Speaker A:And who's your boss?
Speaker A:Well, I can't tell you that.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that was kind of wild.
Speaker B:I got a minor cast note, a couple of cast notes.
Speaker B:Nothing earth shaking.
Speaker B:But I wanted to show share.
Speaker A:Go for it.
Speaker B:So Dr. Garrison, you probably recognized him because he's been in everything.
Speaker B:He's like one episode of every show made for the last 20 years, I feel like.
Speaker B:But did a bunch of soaps all the way back to the original Law and Order, everything.
Speaker B:He also played Ted Beneke in Breaking Bad.
Speaker B:He was the superintendent in Glee.
Speaker B:And Joshua Parker in Vampire Diaries.
Speaker B:That's Christopher Cousins is the actor's name.
Speaker B:So he's pretty.
Speaker B:Pretty recognizable guy.
Speaker B:And then the.
Speaker B:The guy who played with Wile E. Coyote.
Speaker B:The actor's name is actually Aaron Eastwood.
Speaker B:He's mostly a stuntman and then also had a small role in Lord of the Rings.
Speaker B:And then let me see who else I had.
Speaker B:I think that was.
Speaker B:That was my main ones.
Speaker B:That was my main ones.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Oh, cool.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker B:So I think that, you know, they tried to make a lot of like, a good, like, tie in the metaphor of letting go and things like that into the Brothers.
Speaker B:I feel like that was fine, but it was kind of like a stretch.
Speaker B:Other than that, I think it was a fun episode to have all the little tie ins, except for the.
Speaker B:And we didn't have to have them argue the whole episode about their issue about.
Speaker B:About breaking the deal.
Speaker B:It just started.
Speaker B:Started and ended with that.
Speaker B:But I feel like this is going to bite them in the ass that Sam decided to go rogue.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course.
Speaker B:Just reading the tea leaves here, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I mean now he's gonna piss off his.
Speaker A:Piss off Dean.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm just predicting what's gonna.
Speaker B:Happen, you know, Obviously.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:We don't know who's gonna.
Speaker B:What's gonna happen to the deal.
Speaker B:The deal's probably not off.
Speaker B:And so it probably did nothing except for piss off a bunch of demons and your brother.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Way to go, Sam.
Speaker A:Fucking Sam.
Speaker A:Just let it go, man.
Speaker A:All right, well.
Speaker A:Anything else?
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I. I really have anything.
Speaker A:It was a cute episode.
Speaker A:I think it's an interesting take on things.
Speaker A:An interesting way to do fairy tales with the spirit.
Speaker A:Spirits.
Speaker A:Like having the vengeful spirit, but not a crazy ventures.
Speaker B:I thought it was just right having a little girl just acting out what she was hearing was cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think it was a great script.
Speaker A:Obviously this is one.
Speaker A:I think that.
Speaker A:No, it's the next one that people don't like that much anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah, I thought there's some interesting things into it and that's all I'm gonna say on it.
Speaker A:And I think we'll.
Speaker A:We'll close this out.
Speaker A:Don't punch children.
Speaker A:It's bad.
Speaker B:Don't punch children.
Speaker A:Please don't punch children.
Speaker B:Let children punch you.
Speaker A:Yes, let children.
Speaker A:If you punch children, a bunch of little children will punch you to death.
Speaker A:And that will be your punishment.
Speaker A:So just know that's gonna happen.
Speaker A:Alrighty then.
Speaker A:So I think at that point I will just say cheers, jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers, bitch.
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