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00:00 Welcome to The Ever Be Podcast

04:13 Family and Faith Journey

05:41 Biggest Regret of My Twenties

07:25 How I Study the Bible

09:27 Starting Content Creation: Motivation and Challenges

11:33 Wrestling with Church Teachings

15:21 Thoughts on Natural Family Planning

22:17 Dealing with Parental Disapproval of Young Marriage

28:27 Realities of Engagement and Marriage

31:23 Explaining Chastity to a Catholic Partner

36:06 Choosing Godparents and Confirmation Saints

40:34 Effective Budgeting Tips

46:13 Managing Conflict in Marriage

51:00 Favorite Bible Verse and Final Thoughts

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Hey, I am your host, Mari Wagner,

and you're listening to The Ever Be

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If you're a woman desiring to live

a Christ-centered life in today's

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modern world, then this is for you.

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Welcome to ever be.

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mari-wagner_2_12-11-2025_143640: Hey guys.

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Welcome back to Ever Be.

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I am sorry, this is going up a day late.

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Our episodes release on Wednesdays,

as you know, and it's been a

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little bit crazy this week.

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So we're preparing for, um.

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Our spring magazine for

West Coast Catholic.

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You might have seen, we came out with

a winter magazine for Christmas, and

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in case you didn't put it together,

or I don't know if it's supposed

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to be a secret, honestly, but I'll

just tell y'all, we're coming out

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with a bunch of magazines, right?

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Like for the whole year,

all these different issues.

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And so we're already working on the spring

one, um, and the photo shoot is happening.

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This week, and we had so much prep

we had to do yesterday, and it

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just completely got away from me.

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But, um, excited to be

here with y'all today.

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Today we are doing a q and a, the last

q and a of the year, and I haven't

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fully looked at every question.

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I've glanced over them briefly.

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I saw a couple fun ones, a couple serious

ones, so I think it's gonna be fun.

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And these are always a good time.

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I always love knowing, like, what do you

literally wanna know about me, about,

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um, our lifestyle or things you wanna

just know my opinion on or advice on.

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Um, I am the eldest daughter in my family,

so I love giving people advice because

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that's what I was literally bred to do.

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Basically all my eldest

daughters listening know.

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And can relate to that.

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Um, so before we dive into the

questions, let's do a little

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bit of an ever be moment.

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My ever be moment is that a couple

weeks ago when we were in Mexico

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with my family, we got to have

the a first Class Relic of St.

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Carlo Auti.

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And he is a brand new saint.

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He was canonized.

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Um.

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Late summer or early fall, I can't

remember the exact date, but very

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recently, just like a few months ago.

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Um, and so I don't even know like how

do people have first class relics of

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him already, but the opportunity arose

and we got to have the relic in our

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apartment in Mexico and pray with it.

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Um, we prayed as a family for all of

our personal intentions, and it was

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just such a beautiful faith-filled

moment that we will never forget.

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So.

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Was such a blessing, was so beautiful.

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but that's my ever be moment.

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Um, I wish I could know what all

your guys' ever be moments were.

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If you have one, you wanna share

it, you should GM it into the Ever

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Be podcast, uh, Instagram dms.

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'cause I wanna know your ever

be moments too, you know?

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Okay, well, we'll leave it at that.

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Let's dive into the questions.

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Um, by the way, we won't have a, , ever

be answers at the end of this episode

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because this whole episode is gonna

be basically be an ever be answers.

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And then for Patreon, our after

party, you won't be a q and a because

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again, this whole episode is a Q

and a, but we're gonna do a little.

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Christmas house tour.

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I've gotten a lot of questions asking,

like to see the Christmas decor that

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we have set up and so I thought it'd be

fun to kind of vlog a little like what

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our Christmas decor is like right now.

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So I think it'll be fun.

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Trey and I will do a little house tour.

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Um, so that will be on Patreon if

you wanna join the Kingdom Club

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to get access to all that extra

content, you know what to do.

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The link is in the show notes,

but let's dive into questions.

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I'm gonna try and get

through as many as possible.

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Okay.

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First one up.

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Oh, this is funny.

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It literally relates to

what I was just saying.

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How many siblings do you have?

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Is your whole family Catholic?

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Are your parents siblings,

Catholics, et cetera?

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Um, I am one of three kids.

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I am the oldest.

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Um, we're all five years apart, so

in very different stages of life.

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I'm 28, my sister's 22, and my

brother is 17, still in high school.

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Um.

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And we are all Catholic.

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My family is from Columbia, south

America, where it is very culture.

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It's, it's the cultural

norm to be Catholic.

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Um, at least in like a cultural sense,

like most people are baptized and

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have their first communion because

that's just what you do there.

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Um, but a lot of people

aren't actually practicing.

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And so that's kind of how

my family was growing up.

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Up until high school.

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My mom had a huge reversion.

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Um, and then.

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Kind of brought her whole

family along with her.

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Um.

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And that's a story for another time.

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But basically, yes, being Catholic

my whole life and then since high

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school, like mid to late high

school, really dove into my faith

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in a much more intentional way.

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And then I had my own personal

reversion in college, um, and my.

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Parents over the last few years

have deepened their faith so much.

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And same with my siblings.

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Um, they're all on their own journeys, but

everybody is Catholic, so what a blessing.

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Right.

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Like such an incredible blessing to be

able to go home and have family, like

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my direct family practice the same faith

and we get to support each other in that.

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So that's amazing.

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Um, what was your biggest

regret of your twenties?

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Wow.

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Okay.

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I'm still in my twenties, girl.

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Okay.

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Just let's get that out there.

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Um, okay.

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First thing that comes to mind.

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Okay.

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First thing that comes to mind

is like, I don't really have

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regrets in my twenties, honestly.

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I feel like I've lived it to the

fullest that God has called me to.

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And I've been able to experience so

much adventure and beauty and so many

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gifts that God has brought to our lives.

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Um, and so I don't feel like

I look back and I'm like.

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I regret this.

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Maybe the only thing I regret is

I wish I had saved more money.

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And it's, it sounds lame and honestly,

I, I wouldn't say that it like really

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set us back a ton financially, but that

would've been a smarter thing to do.

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Like I was just always the girl

that like spent my money in

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college, like I worked and I got my

paycheck and then I went shopping

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or something like that and I didn't.

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Even have a savings account.

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And so that was kind of

dumb on my part, I think.

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So I think that would be like

something that I would say I

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kind of regret not saving more.

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I started to save when I actually

got a job, which was I was a focus

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missionary and by the time that I

started my job as a focus missionary,

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I had eight months until I got married.

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And so I actually started

saving once I got a job.

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And once you get a bigger old

job, you get bigger old paychecks.

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Then you can put real money away,

but I could have done so much

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more the years leading up to that.

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So I would say that, but honestly,

no big regrets, which is awesome.

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So awesome.

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Um, how do you study the Bible?

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So, me personally, when I first started

reading the Bible, not necessarily like

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studying it to like learn, but like just.

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Praying with and getting familiar

with scripture is I would do lexio

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Davina paired with a method of

scripture that a mentor taught me.

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It's called wrap, um, write,

reflect, apply and pray, and

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you apply that framework to.

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Different gospel passages and I was

challenged to do 30 days of reading

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scripture and 30 different gospels,

and that's how I started getting into

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reading the Bible and familiarizing myself

with at least the books of the gospels.

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So that would be my advice.

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I have a resource on my website called

the Gospel Habit, which is literally

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a 30 day scripture challenge that

breaks down this method for you more,

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gives you the framework and gives

you the 30 passages, that I think are

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amazing to start with for the 30 days.

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Um, and it has a couple more

resources in there as well.

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So that's a great idea.

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If you wanna get started on

reading the Bible, tips on how

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to study the Bible would be to.

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Do a Bible study that is more like

educational, more than like prayerful.

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Um.

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And focuses, Bible studies

have taught me a ton.

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So the crux or salvation history

specifically are like forming

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Bible studies that teach you what

is the Bible really trying to say

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and , , like what conclusions can we

draw from what we're learning in the

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Bible or what teachings does this

coincide with, with the tradition

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of our church and how does scripture

and tradition kind of go together?

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So those two are really good.

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Um, and then.

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The other one I'm thinking of,

I think it's called the St.

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Paul's Center.

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They have incredible bibles

as well, bible studies as well

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that are very informational.

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So, um, look through those and

see if those are helpful at all.

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Okay.

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Let's see another question.

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Next question.

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I wanna start content creation,

but I don't know if I might just be

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seeking validation or importance.

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This is a really good, just like

self-aware reflection to have.

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Why do you want to start a platform?

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What is your purpose?

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Um.

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I'll tell you right now, it's not easy

and it, you don't just blow up overnight.

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Right.

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And I think a lot of people like

the idea of the end result and it

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takes a lot of intentionality to

get there, especially because the

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creator space is so saturated now.

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Everybody wants to be a creator.

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And if you're really feeling

called to it, go for it.

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And I think that if specifically,

you know, I can speak to Catholic

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content creation, um, it's.

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It's a balance, right, of

evangelization and sharing your life.

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Like the end goal is not

to glorify your life.

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The end goal is to glorify God.

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And so what are you doing to show

people, right, how they can live the

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faith in their everyday life and how

you can encourage and evangelize them

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in their lives by sharing your life.

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so if you're wanting to

do it in a more like.

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Faith centered context, that would

be some advice to really take that

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to prayer and ask the Lord like,

what is it that you want me to share?

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What is the message that you

want me to share on my socials?

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And am I doing it for you

or am I doing it for myself?

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Because if you're doing it for

yourself, then God's not calling

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you to do it, and it's gonna be

really hard and not super worth it.

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I'll tell you that.

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Um.

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I never started what I am doing now

because I wanted to be an influencer.

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Honestly, like I never thought that

that, that was like never my intention.

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It was literally like I loved my faith so

much and was so inspired by other young

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women in real life that taught me how

to be a Christ-centered woman and how

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to be a good Catholic that I was like.

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Other people need to be walked

with in this way that don't have

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people like this in real life.

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Right?

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So that was like the deeper motivation

that the Lord put on my heart.

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And then it just kind of

like turned into what it was.

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Um, so hopefully all that is is helpful.

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Let's see.

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Have you ever found yourself wrestling

with some of the church teachings?

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Honestly, no.

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I don't think there's been

a church teaching that I've

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really sat with and wrestled.

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Um, I'll be honest though, too, like.

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A lot of people engage with

the faith, either from the

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heart or from the head more.

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I totally did that backwards.

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If you're watching the video, um, from

your heart or from your head more, and

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I'm so much more of a heart person.

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I'm so much more of a charismatic person.

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Um, an approach to my

faith than intellectual.

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Not that I don't care about it

or think it matters, but it's

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just not where I don't have.

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Dove in, in, is that how you say it?

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Where I've dived in.

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Um, and so maybe if I like

really dove into teachings, I'd

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maybe wrestle with them more.

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But like, as I have learned more

about my faith, there really hasn't

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been moments where I've been like,

Hmm, I really struggle with that.

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Like, let me wrestle with it and do more

research because like, I don't agree.

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You know what I mean?

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If I had to pick one right.

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The two things that bother me sometimes.

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One is how I think the church doesn't

have a technical stance on it.

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You guys okay?

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But, or maybe it does, but I've heard

conflicting things from different priests.

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Um, you know how like the church

says, like, dogs don't go to heaven.

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Yeah, I have a hard time with that one.

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Like, God gave you your cute little

dog to be your companion on earth.

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Why wouldn't he want that cute little

guy to be in heaven with y'all?

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And it's his creation.

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You know what I mean?

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So I don't know.

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I'm kind of iffy on

that, I'll tell you that.

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And then the other thing that kind of

bothers me sometimes is how like you're

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not married to your spouse in heaven.

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I do believe that there is,

and I think this is all like

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literally church teaching.

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Like there's like a special connection

you have with that person in heaven,

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um, but you're not like married to them

in the same way that you are on Earth.

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And I love my whole husband so much

that I'm like, what do you mean?

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I'm not gonna be married to him in heaven.

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I wanna be married to him in heaven.

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But I also know you're married

to Jesus and God in heaven.

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And so then it's like.

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Okay.

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Your soul doesn't really long

for anything else because it

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reaches complete fulfillment when

it's in full communion with God.

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So you know that those are just like

my human little worries that are

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so minuscule and they don't really

bother me in, in my faith journey.

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So, all right.

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Let's see.

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What are some other questions

we have going on here?

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You mentioned you listened

to the rosary on your phone.

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Can you post the site app

link that you use the.

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Most common way I listen to the Rosary

audio version instead of just praying

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it myself is through the Hallow app.

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And I'll link it in the show

notes, but with my link, you can

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get three months of the Hallow app

for free so you can check it out.

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I love listening to the Daily Rosary

and I put Jonathan Rumi's voice on

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'cause it's so calming and soothing.

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But they have a bunch of different

types of rosaries on there too,

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spoken by different people.

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Um, so.

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Yeah, go check it out.

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I mean, it's awesome, and if you're

having a hard time praying the

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rosary in your life, this is a great

way to just kickstart the habit.

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There's no shame in it.

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I know a lot of people that don't feel

like they're actually praying it if

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they're playing it on their phone.

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And that's not true.

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Okay?

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What is better?

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No prayer at all.

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Or playing it on your phone

and praying along with it.

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So I do that often as I'm

getting ready to go to bed.

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If I didn't pray a rosary at other

time in the day and I really wanna

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get it in that day, um, I'll start

playing it while I brush my teeth

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and do my skincare and get in bed.

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And it's such a peaceful way to

wind down from the day and just

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give the Lord um, my prayer.

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To close out the day.

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So that would be my

recommendation question here.

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Thoughts on NFP?

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My thoughts on natural family

planning is that I agree with it.

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All right.

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That is the teaching of our church.

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Um, and that is what we have always done.

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For anybody wondering Natural

family planning is the teaching

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of the church on how to.

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Work with God's creation of your

fertility to plan for children

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and space them accordingly.

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So it is your responsibility as a

husband, wife, and potential parents

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to discern when your family is ready

to grow and welcome children into it.

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And when you have your first child

to discern when to open that again

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for a second child and a third.

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Et cetera.

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Um, natural family planning states

that, um, avoiding children should

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happen based off of really grave

reasons, and the church doesn't

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specify what those grave reasons are.

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In its wisdom because the church

doesn't personally know the situation

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of every family, so I'm not going to

sit here and tell every newly married

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couple that they should be having kids

right away because I don't know the

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situation of every newly married couple.

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I will say.

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If you are preparing for marriage, if

you're wanting to be engaged or are

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engaged and you are fearful of having

children and you are completely closed

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off to the idea of having children

in your first year of marriage 'cause

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you think it's too soon, then you

might not be ready for marriage.

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Because marriage comes with an openness

to children, um, and an openness to life.

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And so.

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You have to discern that in your heart

if you're like, okay, maybe I wouldn't

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feel quote unquote ready because

who's ready ever to be a parent?

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But if God brought us children, we

would happily, um, you know, accept them

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and welcome 'em and, and raise them.

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Right?

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Like that is a totally like, to be

fearful of like becoming a parent.

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Like that's totally normal, right?

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But to be closed off, that is

where I would say like, you need

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more guidance and discernment.

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You need to talk to spiritual director

and other Catholic couples to kind of walk

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with you in that, to kind of figure out

like why is it that you feel that way?

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And if that's the case, am I really

ready to take the next step in marriage?

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Because under the guidance of natural

family and planning, it states that

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contraception in marriage is not allowed.

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So every act of intercourse

has to finish with.

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The man literally inside the

woman finishing in the woman.

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Sorry to get graphic here, but that's

just the reality and that is the truth

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of what natural family planning states,

and there cannot be anything that blocks

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the conception of life or fertility.

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So, um, no condoms, no IUDs, no birth

control pill, all of these are forms

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that, that are blocks to the miracle

of life that God creates in you.

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Um, and you coming together.

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Marriage.

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If you are blocking that somehow

you are not actually receiving

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your spouse fully for who they are.

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You're saying, I want part of

you, but I don't want all of you

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because I don't want your fertility.

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Um, and that.

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Is not the fullness of love you guys

like, that's like not what true love

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in marriage was actually created to be.

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You're not experiencing the

fullness of love in marriage,

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um, if that's what you're living.

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So I encourage you to look into it

more if this is new news to you.

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Um, I was chatting with

a girlfriend group.

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We're all Catholic married wives and

um, it came up recently in a friend

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group that they have that like.

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Like the pullout method really works

and everybody was like, hold up.

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That's actually not okay, and not

in line with Catholic teaching.

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So just if y'all needed to know

that, that also doesn't fly because

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your end result there is not.

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Right.

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Like what we talked about.

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So.

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So those are, that's a

little crash course on NFP.

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I'll tell you, NFP is incredible.

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We did the Creighton method for

a long time, um, when we were

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first avoiding in marriage.

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And Trey charted everything.

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I told him what I was seeing

that day and he charted it all.

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So he knew exactly what part of

my cycle I was at, and it brought

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us together in a whole new way.

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And I think it's really important

for men and husbands to get really

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comfortable with your body as a woman

and your fertility and understanding.

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What all happens and what to expect.

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Um, and then that way too, the woman

isn't the only one who's like, it, it,

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it doesn't, it makes you feel like you're

not the one like gatekeeping, right?

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Because if you're not trying to

have kids, you're supposed to

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avoid intercourse when you're.

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Ovulating.

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When you're in your most fertile,

that's when you can get pregnant.

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People think that you can get pregnant

a hundred percent of the time.

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You literally can only get pregnant during

like a week window basically of the month.

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And there are like days before and after

that that could be like likely, but

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you know, they'll teach you all that

in your NFP course if you're taking it.

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Um, so anyways, that way as a woman,

you're not like gatekeeping sex

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and you're making these decisions

together as a couple depending on what

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your goal is right now in marriage.

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It's really, really beautiful.

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It strengthens your marriage, it

brings you together as a couple.

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Um, and yeah, those

are my thoughts on NFP.

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I probably should record an

episode on this because Wow.

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I just got like really deep

into the weeds of that.

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I hadn't talked about that in a

really long time, really long time.

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Um, so thank you for asking.

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I hope that was helpful.

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Okay.

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Let's see.

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Oh my gosh.

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So cute.

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Someone says, not a question,

just wanna share how many people

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compliment the nativity sweater.

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That makes me really happy.

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I'm obsessed with it, so I'm

glad you're obsessed with it too.

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Um.

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If you weren't doing West

Coast Catholic right now, what

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do you think you'd be doing?

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What a great question I, I've probably

said this before, I didn't plan

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to be doing West Coast Catholic.

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I didn't plan to be a content creator.

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That's not what I thought,

what my life would look like.

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So if all those things hadn't

happened in college and set me

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on this path, I probably would be

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working at a marketing agency.

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I'm also, I've also been super

entrepreneurial my whole life, so

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I could also see myself owning a

marketing agency or a branding agency.

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I could have seen myself going back to

school to get a graphic design degree.

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So I had more of like the

hard skills with softwares and

436

stuff, um, to do graphic design.

437

I love marketing, but I'm

obsessed with branding.

438

So I, I could see myself, yeah, either

probably right after college, working

439

in some sort of marketing firm for a

while, or a branding firm, um, and then

440

maybe going off and starting my own,

but we'll never know, I guess, right?

441

Because, 'cause we do have WCC,

so, but that's a fun question.

442

Ooh, this one is so good.

443

How to deal with parents that disapprove

of young marriage in your early twenties.

444

That's really tough.

445

Um, and I experienced that to an

extent when we got engaged because

446

I was senior in college, my.

447

I was about to say my boyfriend, LOL

Trey, Trey was a junior in college

448

and both of our parents actually got

married young, which is hilarious.

449

Trey's parents, right outta

college, my parents got married.

450

Let's see when they were, yeah, I

literally think 23 and 25 and my

451

mom was still finishing up college.

452

Um, but my parents had a very

different situation, um, which

453

is why I think it made them.

454

So fearful.

455

So our situation was, we felt

very strongly that we were

456

being called to marriage.

457

We were very prayerful in our decision.

458

It was not a rash decision.

459

We discerned it and spoke with several

spiritual directors and friends, um,

460

who maybe had just gotten engaged or

who went through a young engagement

461

and were getting married and talked

about like, what should we be preparing

462

for and all this stuff, right?

463

So we knew that we were called to marriage

and, and we were ready to pursue that.

464

And when I brought it up to my parents,

'cause my parents were the ones

465

that were a little bit more kind of.

466

Apprehensive about it being so young.

467

They were not apprehensive about

Trey, but it was like, why are, why

468

are you in a rush to get married?

469

Like, just wait.

470

You know?

471

But that to them, or like their fear

came from their own life experience.

472

They got pregnant, um, with

me unexpectedly in college.

473

They were boyfriend girlfriend,

they weren't married.

474

It was.

475

Auto plan, pregnancy.

476

My mom was, I think 19 when she was

pregnant, and I think she was 20 by

477

the time she gave birth, and my dad

was 22 or 21 or something like that.

478

So.

479

Super young parents and their whole

life started kind of backwards, right?

480

Like they started with the kid and then

had to get their life together, then got

481

married and then moved to the states and

like really started living their life.

482

Whereas we were coming from

a very different place and we

483

wanted to do things the right way.

484

We wanted to get married

before we lived together.

485

Um, we were waiting until

marriage to have sex.

486

Wanted to start our life right after

college because we wanted to start

487

building that future for our family

and that foundation early on because

488

we knew we were called to marriage.

489

And so we were really confident

and really set on what our plan

490

was and what this call was.

491

And my parents were kind of fearful.

492

They were just like, you have no money,

you're not prepared, you're too young.

493

Um, you guys need to mature more.

494

You need to at least be out

of school, blah, blah, blah.

495

And it's gonna be hard.

496

And like, why don't you guys

just spend some time like.

497

You know, getting established

as an adult in the real world

498

before you get married and, and I

mean, bless their hearts, right?

499

I respect them and, and I.

500

We had a lot of conversations.

501

We had a lot of conversations.

502

Y'all and I have Hispanic

family and, and parents.

503

Okay.

504

So they're not super

easygoing, very opinionated.

505

And so they were emotional

conversations and they weren't easy.

506

Lots of tears.

507

Um, and it was hard because I felt

like I kind of had to fight for that

508

a little bit at the beginning to

be like, no, look, this is really.

509

Something God's calling us to do

and we are ready and we don't want

510

to start our adult lives separately

only to then start over again.

511

When we're together.

512

We wanna build that foundation of

adulthood together and the things that you

513

have to tackle as an adult are literally

going to be easier if you do it together.

514

They're very worried about finances

because they had literally had

515

nothing when they started and when

they moved to the US they had like

516

$400 cash in their pocket, right?

517

So that's also a big concern of theirs.

518

And I was like, look like

we have real jobs lined up.

519

We're gonna be making money for

a year, almost a year, like eight

520

months before we actually get married.

521

Um, you know, we're starting

to save here are our plans.

522

Like, it was mostly about just

like laying out the plans to

523

kind of calm all the fears.

524

'cause their fears wasn't like.

525

Oh my gosh, it's gonna end in divorce

because you got married young.

526

That was not their fear.

527

It was mostly like out of a place of like

woundedness themselves and the background

528

they came from where they just wanted

right us to have the best life possible

529

and the most successful life possible

and the least amount of resistance.

530

And because they experienced a lot

of resistance with young marriage,

531

they wanted to save us from that.

532

But I had to constantly remind them

like, my situation is not your situation.

533

I don't have a child before marriage.

534

We.

535

We're starting from the

beginning, you know what I mean?

536

Um, we're not moving to a

new country either, and like

537

completely starting a new life.

538

Like it's, it was very different.

539

And so I had to really just kind

of break down what our plans were.

540

I think parents really wanna know that,

like, you've actually thought about

541

it, that you're not just like, ah,

yeah, we wanna get married 'cause we're

542

in love and we wanna live together.

543

You know what I mean?

544

, And, and it shouldn't be like emotion led.

545

Right?

546

And they shouldn't.

547

They're worried that that's probably it.

548

And so you need to show them your maturity

and your plan for what this life is

549

gonna look like once you get married

and address all of their concerns.

550

Have conversations where you

sit down and you really listen.

551

Like what are your concerns?

552

I just wanna know so I can

open my eyes to see maybe.

553

Things that I'm not seeing, um,

that you all, that you are seeing

554

because you are older and wiser.

555

Right?

556

And you're my parent.

557

So listen to them.

558

Take those and find the

answers to all them.

559

Create the plans for all them, and then

bring 'em back and be like, look, thank

560

you so much for the perspective on that.

561

Like we didn't.

562

We didn't know that.

563

We didn't think about that.

564

Here's our plan.

565

Or maybe you have thought about these

things and you're like, oh yeah,

566

no need to be concerned about that.

567

Here's our plan for this.

568

Here's our plan for finances.

569

Here's where we're gonna live.

570

This is what our jobs are like lined

up, and this is our plan for, um,

571

you know, family and, and what the

future's gonna look like and where

572

we're gonna live and all that stuff.

573

So hopefully that was helpful.

574

I'll just say navigating it like.

575

It can be really, really hard.

576

And I remember in that season

always telling myself like,

577

it shouldn't be this way.

578

Your engagement period should

be so joyful and celebratory,

579

because that's what I grew up with

seeing in all the rom-com movies.

580

I'm such a romantic and I just have

watched every rom-com movie out there.

581

And.

582

What I came to realize is two things.

583

One, yes, it should be right.

584

Like you deserve that.

585

You deserve to be celebrated and supported

by the people around you, um, in this time

586

as you prepare for engagement or marriage.

587

Um, but the reality is

that like life is life.

588

Life is messy, and engagement

is just another part of life.

589

And.

590

It's never gonna be picture perfect.

591

Your engagement's not

gonna be picture perfect.

592

Um, your marriage is not

gonna be picture perfect.

593

Your wedding is not gonna

go exactly as it seems.

594

Your wedding planning is not

gonna be picture perfect.

595

So.

596

The sooner I realized that and was

like, this is just a part of life.

597

There's not really a picture of

like how things should be because

598

everybody's life is different and

everybody's situation is different.

599

Um, but I had a few friends that

were really supportive and other.

600

Adults that were really supportive

because they had gone through it and

601

they were confident in our decision.

602

And that really helped me to kind of

keep going and trust in our decision.

603

And eventually my parents did come around.

604

They did come around and they were

supportive and they were excited for us.

605

Um, and I mean, as the

wedding came closer, I, they

606

were just, they were all in.

607

We were all, all in.

608

So, um.

609

Oh, another thing in that whole process

was our parents, both on both sides,

610

really wanted us to push the date back

more because we were getting married in

611

the middle of COVID, and um, logistics

were just super difficult to actually

612

plan for what was gonna happen by the day.

613

The wedding came around 'cause stuff was

changing all the time, but we felt really

614

confident in the date that we picked.

615

So you need to discern that too, right?

616

You need to discern like between you

and your, your future spouse and God.

617

Like what is it that you are being called

to and when do you want to get married?

618

What does that timeline look like?

619

Um, and try and really stay,

stay grounded in that because.

620

Marriage is just you guys, you know,

it's not your parents anymore and

621

it's not their opinion anymore.

622

You can always respect your parents

and receive their opinion, but you

623

don't have to do what they say anymore.

624

So, um.

625

We felt really, really strong about the

date that we had picked and we didn't

626

want a longer engagement than we already

had, and so we never moved to the date.

627

And we said if there's one person

at the wedding or a hundred people

628

at the wedding, we're getting

629

And that's what happened.

630

And it was beautiful and we

were able to have everybody that

631

we wanted to at the wedding.

632

Okay.

633

There are also.

634

There's also an episode

from a long time ago.

635

That's like everything I recommend

to you in a season of engagement.

636

So if you are engaged and you're

listening, go listen to that.

637

.

Okay.

638

Wow.

639

We're really on like a

relationships train here.

640

So this question says how to

explain chastity to a Catholic you

641

are dating who doesn't understand

or necessarily agree with it.

642

The biggest thing that was important

for me, I heard, I believe it was Jason

643

Everett who said it in a talk once, maybe

644

I heard him say that sex is the

physical vows that you make on.

645

The altar on your wedding day verbally.

646

Does that make sense?

647

So the verbal vows you say on your

wedding day are renewed and are

648

professed to each other every time

you come together in marriage.

649

Therefore, when you are having

sex outside of marriage, you are.

650

Physically and spiritually.

651

'cause there is like a sacramental

component to sex within marriage.

652

Right.

653

And the purpose of sex, because it's

made for the confines of marriage.

654

there is a emotional.

655

And physical and spiritual component

of making those vows to the person

656

that you are being intimate with.

657

And if that's not your spouse, you are

making those promises to that person.

658

And it is extremely difficult

to be detached from that

659

person once you're doing that.

660

And I wanted to look at my spouse on the

day of my wedding night and say like.

661

I have only promised these to you, like on

my wedding day, I'm going to verbally say

662

these vows to you for the rest of my life.

663

And every time we come together

in marriage, I'm renewing

664

these vows to you and only you.

665

Now, this doesn't mean that if you've

already had sex outside of marriage,

666

that you can't renew this commitment

and renew those vows, and it doesn't

667

mean that that is not like as beautiful.

668

It absolutely is.

669

So I really encourage you

if that's, if that's you.

670

To, to do that and to not feel

like this doesn't apply to you

671

because it absolutely does.

672

Now the other thing is like, there's,

there's many levels of, you know,

673

physical intimacy that you get

through before you end up having sex.

674

And so chastity applies to

from the very beginning, right?

675

It doesn't just mean don't have sex.

676

I think that's a misconception

I had for a long time.

677

Misconception a lot of Catholics have

for a long time that chastity just

678

means don't have sex until you're

marriage and everything else is fine.

679

And that's not true.

680

So, anything beyond kissing

is saved for marriage.

681

That is true fact.

682

And all of that is technically

for preparation of sex, right?

683

Foreplay, like that's all

part of the sexual act.

684

And to think that doing

that is not leading you to.

685

Sin is to be naive because it's

really hard to do that and then

686

have the willpower to stop.

687

And so therefore, it's considered a near

occasion of sin where you are putting

688

yourself in a situation where you are

very likely to fall into mortal sin.

689

Um, so if that's something that you're

experiencing at all, go to confession.

690

If you didn't know now, you know,

um, and I will say my advice to this

691

person that's asking this question.

692

The person that you date needs to

be on the same page and needs to

693

be on board with chastity just as

much as you are for it to work.

694

They can't be doing it for you

and they can't be doing it.

695

Because of you.

696

Right?

697

They can't just be like, okay, I'm

gonna respect and agree to this

698

because it's important to you.

699

They actually have to

believe it themselves.

700

And I know this 'cause I experienced

this time and time again with different

701

relationships I had where I was the one

who cared about chastity and they didn't.

702

And anytime that you slip up or you get

weak is like their opportunity to be like,

703

okay, I'm gonna like, this is my chance.

704

Right?

705

That's not true Love.

706

And our job is to get

our spouse to heaven.

707

Not like we're saving them, right?

708

Because that's Jesus.

709

But like we are tasked with

helping our spouse get to heaven.

710

And so.

711

I wanted to protect Trey even in

our relationship because I don't

712

know if he was gonna be my husband.

713

I mean, I was pretty sure he was

gonna be my husband, but you never

714

know until you're on the altar.

715

And I don't want to lead him to

sin or lead him to anything that's

716

going to be a block between him and

the Lord and him and his sanctity.

717

And.

718

If the other person you're, if the person

you're dating is not on board with that,

719

they are, they don't have that mentality

and it's going to be really hard.

720

So for me it was kind of a

non-negotiable to date, someone

721

that was on the same page as me.

722

And it made all the difference.

723

It made all the difference.

724

And it is literally the only

reason Trey and I were able to

725

wait until we were married because

we were both on the same page.

726

Okay.

727

This question says, I'm an OCIA.

728

How do I choose godparents for my

children if we don't know other Catholics?

729

And should I choose a saint

name for confirmation?

730

How to begin my search?

731

Wow, how beautiful.

732

Were Well, congratulations that you're

in this journey of becoming Catholic.

733

That is so exciting and so beautiful, and.

734

Wow, it's gonna be amazing.

735

Um, how to choose godparents when

you don't know other Catholics.

736

That is a tough one.

737

I mean, I, I will say I can't

speak from experience, but I have

738

been a godparent to several of my

friends' children and I believe.

739

I know this because I had to

fill out a form recently, I

740

believe, and I might be wrong.

741

So fact, check me, please ask your priest.

742

Um, I think you actually can also

pick, if you don't have any Catholic

743

people in your life, I think you

might be able to pick really faithful

744

Christians, um, to be godparents.

745

So I would ask in case that's.

746

Not true.

747

Um, but then my other piece of

advice would be to get really plugged

748

into your community at church.

749

And if you have kids, plug them

into the kids programs, any sort

750

of catechism that they have.

751

Um.

752

Get to know the parents in

the same like sacramental prep

753

classes if they have those.

754

And maybe ask people that work at the

parish or that are very well connected

755

at the parish, like is there another

family you can connect us with?

756

Like, we wanna learn, we wanna

get to know other families in the

757

parish and maybe make it a point

to get to know other families in

758

the parish for the next few months.

759

And then from there.

760

Hopefully somebody would, you know, be

fit to be a godparent for your children.

761

Um, that's kind of all I

can think of right now.

762

And then for confirmation Saint,

I would say start researching, um,

763

start looking up, you know, top

most popular saints or most beloved

764

saints, or if you have a particular.

765

Interest or particular part of your story

that you want a connection to a saint?

766

Look that up.

767

So for example.

768

If you've been listening to this

episode, you now know I was kind of

769

an accident and I will have to do a

whole nother podcast episode one day.

770

But my mom, um, my mom was not

sure if she was gonna keep me.

771

She was being advised to consider

abortion by people in her life, and

772

it was truly through a miracle that

she chose life and that I'm here and

773

that my parents are still together

and that they're my family and.

774

That the Lord literally saved my life.

775

So I looked up when I was 16

and went through confirmation.

776

I looked up on Google Saints for.

777

Um, aborted Babies Saints, four

unborn children, saints four, um,

778

children conceived out of wedlock.

779

Like, I just wanted to find something

that like related to me in some way.

780

And I found Saint Gianna and I had

never heard of Saint Gianna before.

781

And she is the patron

saint of unborn children.

782

And to me that was.

783

Really, really beautiful.

784

She was a very pro-life saint.

785

Um, she literally gave her life

for her children in the end.

786

She connected with me a lot and so I

chose her to be my confirmation saint.

787

So sometimes it's like a part of your

story that you can kind of look up and

788

ask Google or chat GPT at this point.

789

Um, you can always use chat GPT and kind

of ask it a little bit about your story

790

and say, do any saints relate to this?

791

Is there a patron saint for X, Y, Z?

792

Right?

793

Um, and maybe that'll.

794

Something will pop up that relates to your

story and just kind of fits perfectly.

795

And people always say that like

the saint ends up choosing you.

796

So just kind of have an open

heart and when you feel it

797

right in your heart, go for it.

798

Oh, this same person also

asked, what do you consider when

799

choosing godparents or sponsors?

800

You want to choose someone who

is truly practicing their faith.

801

I'm gonna say it.

802

There's a lot of Catholics out there who

consider themselves Catholic and aren't

803

actually really practicing their faith

or don't know their faith really well.

804

And the responsibility of a

godparent is to, to help the parent

805

in forming that child spiritually.

806

And to be that example for that

child of what it looks like

807

to live a truly Catholic life.

808

So.

809

Choosing godparents or sponsors

choose people that genuinely have a

810

relationship with God genuinely, are

in line with the teachings of the

811

church and understand the teachings

of the church and are living their

812

faith out, um, in their everyday life.

813

Okay.

814

There's a question here

about budgeting tips.

815

I'll just kind of share with you our

approach to budgeting and finances.

816

'cause it's really worked

for us the past few years.

817

We, um.

818

You can check up on it constantly,

but usually in November and December

819

we have a big spreadsheet that's

called Wagner Family Finances, and

820

we look at what is our income going

to look like in the coming year, and.

821

What if that is fixed?

822

What of that is variable?

823

Right.

824

So as business owners, we have a fixed

income from our business, but as a content

825

creator, your income from that is, is

very variable because you have different

826

affiliate programs, nothing is set.

827

It's just really up in the air.

828

So you can't really count on that always.

829

So we decide.

830

We kind of determine what is our

fixed income, what is variable income?

831

And we don't usually include variable

income in our plan because you

832

can't really plan on that, right?

833

So we choose our fixed income and then

we look at our fixed expenses, right?

834

What is it that we pay on

our mortgage every month?

835

Do you have a car payment?

836

Do you have subscriptions that like are

necessary or a gym membership or what do

837

you normally spend on food every month?

838

Gas, like all those things.

839

Insurance.

840

Like stuff that is always going to

need to be paid every single month.

841

So then we put that next and then

we see what's, um, what's left over.

842

And then from there, we choose

what amount we want to go into

843

savings every single month.

844

So we might have a goal by the end of the

year that we wanna get to for our savings

845

account, and then we see what is left

after those necessary expenses are paid.

846

Do we have room every month to

put X amount away every month

847

so that we can reach that goal?

848

Um, how much would we need to put

away every single month for the

849

next 12 months to reach that goal?

850

Can we afford to do that?

851

If yes, then great.

852

Then we take that amount of

savings out and or that amount.

853

And put it into savings, and then

you have whatever is left over.

854

And for us, savings is like

savings slash investing.

855

'cause some of it goes into our

savings account, some of it goes

856

into different investing accounts.

857

So we kind of split it up that way.

858

You can choose to then do the

investing portion after the savings

859

or altogether like we do or whatever.

860

And then basically what's left over

afterwards is just kind of like.

861

Free, your free choice to do whatever you

feel is important next with that money.

862

So we have something called buckets, or

we just call them buckets, um, where we

863

have multiple bank accounts, all these

different buckets, and basically it helps

864

us work towards different things that

we feel are important in our life and

865

that our goals we wanna work towards.

866

So if we have a specific, um, like.

867

Home project or big expense that's coming

up that we wanna save for, or big project

868

we wanna do, um, we put that into one

bucket and a certain amount of money goes

869

in there every single month, as well as

all of the like, extra income we didn't

870

expect goes in there every single month.

871

Um, and that starts building up

month to month to get towards

872

that goal of that big project.

873

Or maybe it's a home reno or maybe

you're wanna buy a car or buy a house.

874

Write big expenses like

that, big projects.

875

, And then we have little buckets

that every month accumulate.

876

We put a certain amount in them every

single month they accumulate to.

877

Get to bigger numbers, right?

878

So we have like a travel bucket that

we put a couple, um, a hundred dollars

879

a month into every single month.

880

And so then like if we wanna take a

trip, we look at our travel bucket and

881

we're like, sweet, we can buy flights.

882

This is how much money we have for travel.

883

Um, we have one for.

884

Uh, necessary, like

miscellaneous shopping.

885

If like winter's coming around and

Trey doesn't have a parka, like, oh

886

gosh, we gotta get him a nice jacket.

887

Like we go into there because we

budgeted for like, oh, if you need

888

extra clothes or something like that.

889

Um, and so it, it's kind of meticulous.

890

It kind of like is really broken down.

891

We have a bucket for our dog and

so we put a certain amount of money

892

into that bucket every single month.

893

So if he needs to go to the

vet, there's money in there.

894

And it doesn't, like, it doesn't

hurt our family finances 'cause we.

895

Prepared for that in advance.

896

Um, so I hope that's helpful.

897

And then we also have fun money,

um, buckets, so we get a certain

898

amount of fun money into each

of our buckets every month.

899

And that's money that you

get to do whatever you want

900

with, um, which is great.

901

So.

902

Hopefully that was helpful.

903

That is how we do budgeting.

904

Um, question here, where to shop

for warm modest masks, clothes.

905

For those of us in bitter cold of

winter, I get a lot of questions of

906

like, where to shop for modest clothing.

907

And I'll just say I don't have like

a modest brand that I shop from.

908

I just.

909

Look for modest clothes in the brands

that I like and I just avoid the

910

clothes that I feel is a modest.

911

So I shop at all your mainstream stuff,

you know, Abercrombie, Madewell, Zara.

912

Where else do I shop?

913

Oh my gosh.

914

Little boutiques.

915

Local or online?

916

Um, new Flora is one that I like recently.

917

I'll link that in the show notes

'cause I have a code there.

918

Um.

919

Auria is pretty cute, but it's tad

expensive, so I haven't really doven

920

into that, but it looks real cute.

921

Um, what else?

922

Why am I blinking?

923

I don't know where I shop anymore.

924

I mean, literally like 80% of my

closet is Abercrombie because their

925

petite sizes are so perfect for me.

926

So it just works.

927

But all in all, I don't have

like a specific place I go to

928

because they sell modest clothes.

929

Um, I.

930

Think honestly, a lot of people

are like, wow, you can't shop

931

for anything modest these days.

932

I don't think that's true.

933

Um, I think you just gotta like

actually look for the stuff that's

934

modest and then, and then buy that.

935

And I, I don't really ever have a

problem shopping for stuff that's

936

modest, so that's my recommendation.

937

How do you manage conflict in marriage?

938

This is a great question.

939

I'll give a synopsis, but if you

wanna dive deep into this, I'll

940

link it in the show notes too.

941

I have a workshop that I did with

a licensed marriage and family

942

therapist, literally walking

people through how to improve their

943

communication and work through conflict.

944

It was a phenomenal workshop.

945

Um, I'm trying to remember how many people

signed up for like a hundred or so, and.

946

Now we sell the recording of

the live version that we did,

947

so it's not live anymore.

948

It's the recording that happened,

but it's still so, so, so helpful.

949

Take all the notes, I'll link

it in the show notes so you

950

can access it if you want.

951

Biggest thing is communication

is what's going to help you work

952

through conflict in marriage.

953

Having the right communication tools.

954

There are just gonna be times when

you're, when you're not gonna agree

955

on stuff or when someone's gonna hurt.

956

The other person, and you need to work

through that, and the way you communicate

957

is going to dictate by far is going to be

the biggest dictator of how the conflict

958

gets resolved and how you approach

conflict when you have poor communication

959

with each other when you're either not

a good listener or you're cutting each

960

other off, or you're raising your voice or

you're mocking each other or making fun of

961

each other or dismissing the other person.

962

Or belittling the other person, that's

when the conflicts are going to grow

963

and the other person is not going to

be open to hearing what you have to

964

say because you are not approaching

them with understanding and respect.

965

Right?

966

So you're not gonna get anywhere.

967

So the biggest tool that's helped us,

two big tools that have helped us.

968

One is a.

969

I don't remember what it's called.

970

They taught us this in a marriage retreat.

971

I know there's a name for this tool

and we literally, we talk about it in

972

the workshop is where you basically.

973

Spend time listening to your spouse

without saying anything and providing any

974

feedback without interrupting nothing.

975

You're actively listening and

you're taking note in your head

976

of what they're saying and trying

to understand their point of view.

977

And then once they're done talking,

you get an opportunity to repeat

978

back to them what you heard.

979

And you get to say, if I understood

correctly, this is how you

980

feel and why, and this is the

problem that you're perceiving.

981

And.

982

Then you ask, is that correct?

983

Is there anything else?

984

Is there something I got wrong?

985

Is there anything you wanna correct?

986

Then your spouse has an opportunity

to refine anything that was said

987

that wasn't true or to say, or

to give any correction, right?

988

Because I think a lot of times in

arguments, your spouse is saying something

989

and you just choose to take it a different

way, and so then you repeat it back and

990

your spouse is like, I didn't say that.

991

And so now you're not actually

arguing about the actual problem and

992

you're just going around in circles.

993

Trying to correct what

the other person said.

994

So this is really helpful to

clearly know what is it that we're

995

actually trying to work through.

996

Um, they have an opportunity to correct

you and if it's right and they say

997

that, yeah, that's exactly how I feel.

998

mari-wagner_2_12-12-2025_113224: And

then after they're done, you get a

999

chance to talk and do the exact same

thing and share your point of view.

00:49:17,342 --> 00:49:19,352

Now it's their turn to actively listen.

00:49:19,592 --> 00:49:21,357

And after you've said your piece.

00:49:21,887 --> 00:49:26,057

They repeat back to you what they heard,

and you get a chance to affirm that that's

00:49:26,057 --> 00:49:29,417

how you feel or make any corrections

if you feel they didn't understand

00:49:29,597 --> 00:49:31,067

what you're really trying to say.

00:49:31,067 --> 00:49:35,207

And then basically you go back and

forth with that, strategy until both

00:49:35,207 --> 00:49:37,787

parties feel like they're understood and.

00:49:38,477 --> 00:49:41,927

The other part of conflict

that is really important.

00:49:41,927 --> 00:49:45,797

The second piece of advice I have

is to always remind each other that

00:49:45,797 --> 00:49:47,657

you are on the same team, right?

00:49:47,867 --> 00:49:51,797

Because most of the time it's you

two against each other, and what you

00:49:51,797 --> 00:49:53,127

wanna remind each other is that it.

00:49:53,762 --> 00:49:55,712

Both of you against the argument.

00:49:56,072 --> 00:49:58,352

And you don't want to be arguing.

00:49:58,352 --> 00:50:00,272

You don't want to be

fighting with each other.

00:50:00,272 --> 00:50:01,902

You don't want to be hurting each other.

00:50:01,902 --> 00:50:05,352

And so in fact, you wanna be working

together to overcome the obstacle

00:50:05,352 --> 00:50:08,262

in front of you guys and remind each

other always that you're a team.

00:50:08,262 --> 00:50:12,162

And so this strategy helps you feel like

a team because you're working through

00:50:12,162 --> 00:50:17,202

things together in a strategy that you're

both, um, implementing and agree to.

00:50:17,622 --> 00:50:20,922

And then something Trey and I do

that I've talked about before.

00:50:21,897 --> 00:50:26,457

Is, we'll literally pause and say

like, okay, I just wanna remind

00:50:26,457 --> 00:50:27,837

you like we're on the same team.

00:50:27,867 --> 00:50:28,857

Like, I'm on your team.

00:50:28,917 --> 00:50:33,417

I don't wanna be arguing, I wanna come

up with a solution, or I, you know,

00:50:33,417 --> 00:50:36,417

wanna amend and I'm on your team.

00:50:36,867 --> 00:50:38,637

And that is very disarming.

00:50:38,937 --> 00:50:43,587

And allows you guys to both remember

that it's you two together against the

00:50:43,587 --> 00:50:45,297

argument, not you two against each other.

00:50:45,897 --> 00:50:46,587

Um, yeah.

00:50:46,587 --> 00:50:48,387

So I hope that that was,

that was really helpful.

00:50:48,387 --> 00:50:51,777

And if you wanna learn more about

different communication methods,

00:50:51,777 --> 00:50:55,257

different ways to deal with conflict

and connect with your spouse, make sure

00:50:55,257 --> 00:50:58,797

you go check out the marriage workshop

and we'll link that in the show notes.

00:50:59,127 --> 00:51:00,207

Um, okay.

00:51:00,207 --> 00:51:01,737

One last question.

00:51:01,737 --> 00:51:04,407

'cause we are pretty much at an hour here.

00:51:04,687 --> 00:51:07,837

Last question will be, what

is your favorite Bible verse?

00:51:07,957 --> 00:51:10,747

And for me, it's Matthew 6 33.

00:51:10,957 --> 00:51:13,387

Seek first the kingdom and

his righteousness, and all

00:51:13,387 --> 00:51:14,287

things will be given to you.

00:51:14,287 --> 00:51:18,157

Besides, this has been my favorite

Bible verse, I think since high school.

00:51:18,157 --> 00:51:22,537

I don't really know how I came

across it or where I first heard it.

00:51:24,352 --> 00:51:25,042

I heard it.

00:51:25,192 --> 00:51:29,842

Yeah, I think many years ago, and it has

always, always stuck with me essentially,

00:51:29,842 --> 00:51:33,712

because the message of it is to keep

your eyes on heaven and your purpose

00:51:34,012 --> 00:51:37,342

set on heaven and to live for heaven,

and everything else will work out.

00:51:37,522 --> 00:51:41,962

Like if we order our whole lives

around that goal of getting to heaven.

00:51:42,397 --> 00:51:44,947

The Lord will make sure everything

else is taken care of in our

00:51:44,947 --> 00:51:46,357

lives and we don't have to worry.

00:51:46,717 --> 00:51:50,197

Um, so it's always been very

encouraging and consoling for my heart.

00:51:50,767 --> 00:51:52,357

Um, I hope this was fun.

00:51:52,357 --> 00:51:56,047

I had a lot of fun answering your

questions and we won't be doing

00:51:56,047 --> 00:51:57,667

ever be answers, like I said.

00:51:57,667 --> 00:52:02,197

But for the after party, we'll be a really

fun little Christmas tour of our house.

00:52:02,197 --> 00:52:05,257

So if you wanna check that out, make

sure you sign up for the Kingdom

00:52:05,257 --> 00:52:08,707

Club, we'll drop that link below, and

that's all I've got for you today.

00:52:08,737 --> 00:52:09,757

Happy admit you guys.