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Once Upon a Deadpool (F is for Family F’n Friendly)
Episode 314th October 2024 • Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast • Chamar Griffith and Andrew Tejada
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Join us for this latest installment of Cape or Cap, where we dive deep into Once Upon a Deadpool!

Today our "Ryan & Hugh Road Trip" cleans up its act with a visit to Once Upon A Deadpool —the edited, cleaned-up, family-friendly version of the box office success Deadpool 2 that explores Wade Wilson working alongside killers, assassins, and future men with cybernetic arms all in the hopes of building a family. We’ll break down the plot, dissect the characters, and tackle the big questions:

  • Is this good storytelling?
  • How does it compare to other films, comics, and larger narratives?
  • What was happening behind the scenes during the creation of this production and after its release?
  • And as always, is this a "cape" or a "cap"?

01:13:46 Cape or Cap Verdict

Referenced Materials:

  • New Mutants (1983) #98 by Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza
  • Deadpool (2012) Vol 5 #19 by Gerry Duggan

Hosts: Chamar Griffith and Andrew Tejada

Producers: Chamar Griffith and Andrew Tejada

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Also for the algorithm real quick. I'm just

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gonna say Fire Fist a lot for because I figured that this

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might entice our one piece fans. So Fire Fist. Hi, I'm chamar

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Griffith and I'm Andrew Tejada. We're going through superhero

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productions to let you know if they're still fun or the hype

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around it was dumb on Cape or cap, a Black Nerd superhero

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Welcome to this week's installment of Cape or cap, a

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podcast.

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Black Nerd superhero podcast. My name is Chamar Griffith,

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codename ComicChams. And I am Andrew Tejada, codename Arete.

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Andrew and I have known each other since 1996 that was the

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year Ryan Reynolds appeared in the Sabrina, the Teenage Witch

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movie, not the series, the movie as hot guy. Seth, that's his

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name. That's his description on Wikipedia. Wow. You know, it's

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funny, because I was just thinking about it. For some

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reason I feel like Seth was a strong name back in the 90s. For

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some weird reason, yeah, that was, like, it was very, maybe,

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because close to the Egyptian set, you know, very, that's very

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big energy. And now, yeah, I don't, I know, like one. Seth,

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now, just one. He's cool. He's cool, though he's the best chef

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I know. Shout out to Seth, so that is a tongue twister, but

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yes, shout out to Seth, thank you for cooking up everything,

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especially hopefully you weren't inspired. Your name wasn't

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inspired by the Ryan Reynolds character, that one random

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Sabrina Teenage Witch movie. But in today's episode of our

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podcast, we are going to be focusing heavily on Ryan

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Reynolds, the man, the myth, the legend. I personally like him

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because he's he plays the same character in all of his stuff,

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so I appreciate the guy that could make that work. Hey, it's

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working. It's working from you don't if it ain't broke, but

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today we are talking about the character that is probably the

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most famous of his as we are talking about the third Deadpool

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movie that he made and produced, which is called Once upon a

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Deadpool. That's right, we are actually Deadpool actually has a

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four movie saga that is not a trilogy. There is actually a

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movie in between two and three. Yes, and technically, this is a

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two for one review, because we're actually, this is

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basically Deadpool two with some extra stuff. So it's, this is

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also a review of Deadpool two, yeah. So we had a runtime of 120

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minutes. This 2018 film had a very limited release. This is

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the first Deadpool movie that is actually rated PG 13, and it was

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directed by David Leach, who is the director behind such

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productions such as well the the original Deadpool too, uh, Fast

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and Furious, Hobbs and Shaw bullet train, atomic blonde and

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another recent great film, which is a great love letter to all

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the stunt work And stunt people out there who are doing the

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things to make us love these superhero movies and action

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movies as a whole. Fall Guy, yes, you can definitely tell

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it's a David leash movie, because while they do, you know,

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he is not afraid of CGI. He definitely tries to do as much

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in camera stunt work as possible. So definitely, if you

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somehow have not seen any of those, at least one. Go watch at

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least one of them. Yeah, I think, I think at some points

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this, all of these movies have played in various households of

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my I'm not rich. I just meant by like, hopping around to

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different family members each they haven't played in at least.

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Like two of these movies have played back to back in the house

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at any given point. And we got our rider duo here today. We got

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Rhett Reese, famous for putting together all three Deadpool

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movies, including the recent one, Deadpool and Wolverine.

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Don't worry, we're not going to be spoiling any of the film.

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I've seen it. Have you seen it? Yeah. Well, yeah, I've seen it.

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All I can spoil is, it is now the highest grossing R rated

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movie of all time. Yes, yes. It has beaten Joker. It has beaten

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Passion of the Christ. At the top of the I'm not gonna say the

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line from the movie. So, along with the Deadpool movies, Rhett

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also wrote for Zombieland, GI Joe Retaliation and for the kids

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in the audience, because today's film wants to play on Deadpool

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is a family film at rated at PG 13. He also wrote Tarzan two, as

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well as Clifford's really big movie, which is not. Live action

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movie, which I think you saw Andrew one time, and you said

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that it upsets you to your core. Oh, oh yeah, I've blocked it

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out. I've blocked out that movie almost completely that that one

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was, there's no time. I'm not getting that time back. And

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Rhett worked alongside, once again, Paul Wernick, who also

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wrote all the Deadpool movies, along with Rhett, as well as a

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lot of his claim to fame, which is basically Big Brother on Big

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Brother two, sorry on CBS. Oh the Sure, yeah. It was the most

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random thing. I was like, You know what? For a Deadpool movie,

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I would not expect less. Um, other fun thing about this

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movie, this movie is currently rated at a 56% on Rotten

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Tomatoes, and has a similar score amongst the audiences. And

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I guess it's more so because of the reason why they cut out a

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lot of the stuff that makes it rated R and changes the F word

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to family. Yeah. So it's a half and a half whether we're going

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to love it or hate it. It's this is ideal for a caper cap. Uh,

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right down the middle. Going to the cast list real quick. We got

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Ryan Reynolds. Is the Merc of the mouth, aka Deadpool, aka

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Wade Wilson. Uh, Josh Brolin was famous at this point amongst

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Marvel entirely during these years, because not only was he

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playing Thanos in The Avengers movies, he was also cable here

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in our movie today. Miranda bachern is Vanessa Carlisle. We

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know her more famously on the DC side, but she is here as the

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love interest for Deadpool. Julian Denison plays the

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embodiment of teenage rage as Russell aka Fire Fist. Stephen

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capichi is Colossus. This will be his second time returning

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into the role. TJ Miller operates the bar where Deadpool

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goes to get a drink at a couple times. So he's the quick tongue

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named character named weasel. Oh yes, and let's address this

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right away. We know he's canceled. We know. Oh, last news

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to me. TJ Miller, you're canceled. Yeah, it really

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started with him calling a false bomb threat on a train. Oh,

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that's something he did after that. Some other stuff came out,

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reports that weren't as substantiated, but he definitely

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did that train thing. Um, so he is, we don't he's canceled just,

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uh, as we go forward. Just wanted to let us let you know

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right away, all right, for the sake of this episode, then, uh,

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we will quickly pass by most of the his scenes. And if we need

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to reference who he is, we'll just go by weasel Next up,

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Brianna Hildebrand returns as Negasonic Teenage Warhead. The

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longest named character I feel like I've ever heard of. The

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only person that's beating her right now is bakugo in My Hero

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Academia. Honestly, we got Leslie Uggams as blind l Caron

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Sani as dopender, and finally, coming into this movie to help

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help the duo that we have here today, we have zazzy beats as

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Domino. All right, with that, let's put in some maximum effort

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and watch once upon the Deadpool. So we start

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differently from the original Deadpool two opens with an

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extended scene of violence, with the Yakuza and Deadpool slicing

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it up, but limbs go flying and blood goes not in the PG 13

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version. So instead, we open with Fred Savage tied to the

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bed. Um, and if, if you have not seen Princess Bride, Fred Savage

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was the kid in Princess Bride. The plot of that is that Fred

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Savage is sick and sick boy, and his grandpa reads him a story

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that he doesn't want at first, but then he gets into it. So

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Deadpool does a take on that by tying him to the bed, kidnapping

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Fred Savage and forcing him to listen to Deadpool, the story of

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Deadpool two read by Deadpool in this fake bedroom set. I do

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appreciate that, because I have never actually seeing the

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Princess Bride? I mean, it's, it's like, it's one of those

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things where it's like, if you didn't see it, right, when you

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were a kid, you you see it at age 30. It's one of the other

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number, yeah. So, yeah, that's, that's a brief rundown so you

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understand, like, what if you haven't seen Princess Bride? Now

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you know what they were making fun of the whole time. If you

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haven't, then again, I could see why some people immediately were

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like, what's going on?

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Um, also, sorry, I also forgot to mention the other crazy thing

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about this film. Um, technically, this is a Christmas

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film. Um, given the fact that was released around Christmas,

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all the advertisements had Christmas themes, we will see

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how much of a Christmas film this truly is. Um, as we

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continue on with Deadpool is introducing the fact that,

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because it's PG 13, they're cutting down a lot of stuff, um,

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the only even mentioning that the only F word that we're going

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to be using in this movie is Fred. So as we mentioned,

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opening up to how Deadpool two opened up. Deadpool has been

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operating now for about two years. He takes on the the

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acousa. He meets up with dopender, who drives him back

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the Pinder starts sharing a very heartfelt confession to Deadpool

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in which after the events of Deadpool one, so previously on

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Deadpool, Dopinder had locked up his love interest, the

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competition for his love interest inside the back of his

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car. And well, since this is PG 13, we'll just say that this

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person did not make it to the sequel. And he says that because

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of that, he has this newfound lust for being a part of what

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Deadpool does. So he wants to go out there and make a name for

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himself. So Deadpool, at first is against this, but eventually

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he's like, we'll figure something out. So as Deadpool

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heads out the car, he runs up to his apartment, where he's

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greeted by Vanessa, because today is their anniversary,

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after all the events that happened when they had

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separated, and now they're together again, and it's a

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wonderful thing where they engage in the kiss. And this is

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when Deadpool cuts back to Fred Savage, and it's waiting for him

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to say the line. I had to research this because, again,

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never saw Princess Bride. Yeah, I could chime in here, too.

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Okay, cool. I don't know what I'm talking about here. So the

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original Princess Bride, the story the grandfather reads to

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Fred Savage. It starts out as heavy focus on romance, but then

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it becomes adventure pirates, etc. So at the beginning, before

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we get to the adventure part, the grandfather mentioned the

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kiss between the two romantic leads, and Fred Savage goes, Is

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this a kissing story? Gross. So because Vanessa and Deadpool

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kiss, Deadpool was waiting for that line again. That's just, I

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don't fear out of it, but that's so now that they're celebrating

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their anniversary, they're thinking about, what's it going

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to look like for them to expand their family as they're just

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running jokes about what name they should have for their kid.

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The other thing, though, that does happen is, as Deadpool is

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warming up a pop tart while they're watching Barbra

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Streisand film and trying to figure out why Papa, can you

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hear me? Sounds very much like another Disney song, they

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immediately get attacked by the same group of people that

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Deadpool was trying to take out earlier in the film. Yes, and

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unfortunately, he uses all his knives before the last villain

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get there, gets there. He only has a butter knife, and it's not

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enough. He misses and Vanessa is shot dead. And this is probably

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one of my favorite cutaways to Fred Savage, where he just

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immediately screams, you fridged Vanessa. You know, in comic

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books, when they kill the female love interest, the development

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of the male. You did that, you did that. And it's a great

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discussion and a great lampshade because, yes, that's I think,

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anyone who has seen Deadpool two, one of the things that

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people have disagreed with on it is the decision to kill Vanessa

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off for character development, for the plot to happen. So it

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was nice to get a shot at that, but it did create a bit of a

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problem, because the joke, the joke is great, but it comes

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literally in the middle of her dying. So we go back and she's

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still dying. So tonally, it kind of ruins the the really gut, the

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gut punch you got in the original of that happening is

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kind of like because they put a joke right in the middle of it.

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Kind of loses its edge a bit. Yeah, I agree. I remember even

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watching the movie originally in theaters, and I remember my jaw

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drop because I was just like, man, we just spent the entire

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previous film of him working towards getting her back, in

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after putting himself through all this, all these things in

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order to, just to create a life of her. And you know, it gave

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Deadpool a strong sense of substance to me, even though it

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is one of the most comedic films you could probably watch. So,

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yeah, I agree this. Like. In the moment scene, I feel like it was

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better served for people like men like you mentioned that I

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already saw this happening. And obviously Wade Deadpool is very

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upset about this, so he starts chasing after the guy, very much

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like Peter Parker chasing after the guy that shot Uncle Ben um.

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And you know, you think in that moment, given the fact that

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Deadpool is an assassin, given the fact that Deadpool tends to

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have no regard for like the villa on the side of things, you

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think he will kill this guy. Instead, he embraces him in the

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rain, and then turns around to have him get thrown into a

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trunk, ultimately killing it, right? Yeah, as we know,

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Deadpool heals, so that doesn't really affect him at all, but

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it's a great, a great way to dispatch the enemy. And now Wade

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is devastated. Doesn't know what to do with his life, so he's

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just in the bar all the time with weasel. And this is where

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he makes the connection between, do you want to build a snowman?

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And gentle, and I, this is one of my favorite jokes. I'm glad

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that one made it into the final cut of this, because, yeah,

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it's, it's the same song. Go listen to it side by side, Papa.

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Can you hear me? Do you want to build us? Well, yep, yep, same

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thing. So this point, Wade is just floundering. He dopender

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and weasel can't cheer him up. He's just a disgusting mess.

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Even buck the the bar patron can't cheer him up, and I do.

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I'm glad they circle back to that in the later film about him

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not getting any speaking lines. So now just truly, truly lost

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Deadpool goes back to his old roommate, blind Al's apartment.

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Get some sugar as it's labeled happy sugar right above the cure

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for blindness, which is under the floorboards. Great, great

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callback. And they have a conversation, and Deadpool is

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just he doesn't really know how to go on, so he tries to do

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something about that. And we get several gag scenes here that

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weren't in the original film. You see a lot of references to

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Disney. There's like some characters from up, or at least

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like people who try to look like up characters that were in

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there. There's like him at a zoo talking with some kids and well,

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unfortunately, because of deadpool's Ridiculous healing

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factor, anything that he tries to do to himself, he just comes

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right back to it. So as he's like, you've seen all these,

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like Disney gag scenes taken to a whole new level, he ultimately

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decides the best thing to do is to do the same that we saw in

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the original film, just to head back to the apartment and just

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scorch Earth. The entire place that he's in. The explosion is

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enough to send him to the afterlife, it seems. And as he's

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floating into this like watery abyss. He comes to a point where

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he's standing and he sees off in the distance, in the very

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illuminated room, is Vanessa sitting on the chair looking

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outside, and he's thinking, this is this is how we're going to

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spend the rest of our time together in this afterlife

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place.

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Yeah, but unfortunately, he cannot cross the barrier to

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Vanessa, and Vanessa can only give him the hint that his heart

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needs to be in the right place. But that cryptic hint he go,

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he's launched back to life, where now Colossus is dragging

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him back to the X mansion and here classes, Yukio, Negasonic,

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Teenage Warhead, the only 3x Men they can't afford to have

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consistently on screen. They all try in their own ways to get

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Wade back, but Wade is just not convinced that he is worth the

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time and effort we do in the middle of this, while he's

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complaining about no X Men, get a fantastic cameo, probably one

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of the best cameo of all time, where he complains there's no X

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Men, and you turn around and in a room are a bunch of X Men from

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the new timeline, closing the door so that Deadpool doesn't

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find out about them. This must have been for Dark Phoenix that

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they were all assembled for, because I know they had to, like

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they had one day to run all these people over from one set

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to the other. So I think this is why they were shooting Dark

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Phoenix. So Dark Phoenix, it did contribute something positive.

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But. Much, that's your one thing. But now, as Wade is

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lamenting his he missed a chance for family, we're introducing

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another person who really is obsessed with family, and that

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is cable. Yeah, I almost thought you meant Dominic Toretto, but

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the vibes are similar, because we see that cable enters a room

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much like that similar scene where it's just a scorched earth

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department. We see that cable enters one as well, and he picks

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up a little dusty, burnt up doll. It's a little bear, and as

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he picks it up, he attaches it to his gear, he uses his time

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travel device and lets out this huge screen, creating now I will

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just call the Terminator two effect of this movie, where

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basically it's just like he will eventually pop back into the

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past. He'll meet some people, and we'll steal some stuff from

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them. But before all that happens, of course, Wade is

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trying to learn what it's like to to live again. He experiences

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much of the domestic life. He starts learning about labeling

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foods in the fridge. He even gives Colossus some new soap

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that he tells him that if he Well, because this is a PG 13

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film, I can say it, if he pumps real hard, he'll get what he

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needs to get. I can't believe that joke made it into the PG

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13. That's what I'm thinking about, especially when you find

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out further later about what was actually in that thing. Yeah,

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and I do like, also this cutaway here, there's a Fred Savage who

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is like Kate. He gets so excited about cable he breaks down his

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origin. I hesitate to say this, but maybe even faster than you

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could. You hear me, Fred Savage, I'm pulling you out right now.

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We're going to do is a speed run through of origin story. But

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that's also a great meta joke that Fred Savage is really

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excited about diving into the origins of cable, which they

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actually don't do in this movie because it would, I don't even

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know how they would be able to do it without confusing the

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audience a lot. So yeah, you would need at least 19 years of

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X Men films in order to properly and we missed our chance,

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people. The window is closed. But in any case, back back with

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Deadpool, he is asked to go on a mission with Colossus and

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Negasonic, and it is to stop a kid who's calling himself

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firefist from just burning everything around him at this

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really creepy looking orphanage. And Deadpool arrives, decides to

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take the lead, and as he is going up to talk to the kid,

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it's here where I realized one advantage of deadpool's costume

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is it's extremely easy to overdub lines, because there are

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some lines in the original that like, oh yeah, he said this, but

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very easy with The suit to just put in, what a PG 13 friendly

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version of the line. Real big advantage they had here, also

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for the algorithm, real quick, I'm just going to say Fire Fist

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a lot, because I figured that this might entice r1 piece fans.

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So during the time in which Fire Fist is fighting against the X

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Men, of course, he is firefist and solos a lot of these

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characters, because they're not expecting for a teenage firefist

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to basically knock them around. A lot the people in the

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orphanage are trying to trying to calm him down. The orphanage

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is actually called the Essex Corporation. It's labeled as a

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mutant re Education Center. I'm I know that this is a reference,

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and I'm seeing a lot of Mr. Sinister when I was thinking

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about this. Unfortunately, I didn't do too much of a deep

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dive on this, but I know that this is definitely, it feels

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like a connection to that. So as Fire Fist is able to take out

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basically Colossus, negatonic Teenage Warhead. And even since

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Deadpool flying, where we see another cameo of Hugh Jackman on

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a Wheaties box, um Deadpool is able to use his sword as a spear

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in order to hit fire fist in the face, and this allows for it

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was, it was just a hilt. Oh, this is PG 13 film. So it was

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just a hilt. It was the same in the rated R film too, because

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that pool don't kill kids. Yeah, it's not this time. So as he is

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able to calm down five. Firefist, and he's receiving the

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praises of the crowd. Deadpool is loving it. He does know this,

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though, that on Russell's neck, there seems to be some bruises,

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especially around the collar, the power suppressing collar

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that they give him. So this is when Deadpool is just like, You

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know what, as an X Men trainee, which is also a running joke

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throughout this particular scene, he decides that the best

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thing to do is to unalive as many people connected to the

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Essex Corporation as possible, because clearly they are

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torturing fire fists here at the facility. This leads to Deadpool

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being taken out by Colossus and power suppressing collars also

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placed on Deadpool, so the two of them are now being

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transported to the icebox. Yes, and this is one of the main

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points where it's obvious that they have done creative edits

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and cuts, probably like pre blood spurt CGI, because when he

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does kill people at the facility Deadpool, it is bloodless and

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not headshots. So as they're going to prison, we get cable

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coming back, coming back to this time period from the future. And

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you, and if you did miss this, it's it's completely fine, but

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the trucker talking about wiping and toilet paper, that's Matt

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Damon. You guys missed that because he's under a lot of

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makeup, so he steals the car to head into town. Question about

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that? Yeah, is so that's Matt Damon. Was the other guy. Alan

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tooth, yes, yes. Okay, yeah. Love these guys because they're

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always, they're always so willing to use prosthetics. I

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love these guys, yeah, and they, it's such a random conversation

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that I think they shorten because it goes on for a long

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time the original. So we get back to the prison where, uh,

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Russell is really obsessed with trying to kill everyone who

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wronged him, and Deadpool really doesn't want any part of it.

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He's with the power suppressor. His cancer is coming back

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aggressively, so he's just kind of wanting to be left alone it.

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And even though Russell really thinks he's good, Deadpool is

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like, without this collar on, I'm I have no powers. I'm

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basically Hawkeye to the nothing great, one of the great, sorry

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man. Um, and this is where they just start having trouble. In

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prison, black Tom Cassidy, who is not black, we want to

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clarify, attacks them. And after getting beaten to a pulp,

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Deadpool says, Hey, while you're here trying to make some new

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friends, it's advice that Russell will remember. You know,

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in those Telltale Games, Russell will remember that he does. But

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right now they don't have time, because cable is here.

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Yeah, he enters with a full on force, with the it's, honestly,

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it's a great entry. I think it's just seeing it's a great entry

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for a character as well, because even though we have seen the

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scene where he just got and I picked up the doll and did all

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that things, you saw the man, but here we're seeing the the

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character, the fictional character, the superpowered

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individual, and he's just showing everybody in this as

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like he has a mission, and that mission is To kill firefist. So

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this is when Deadpool at first is like, I'm well, I don't know

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if I should, but he does remember, during a fight scene

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that he does have with cable that maybe this is what Vanessa

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meant by his heart not being into it and like the idea of

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family and everything. So after making some quick jokes about

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how cable is too dark, as he's sure that he's not from the DC

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Universe, and also, there's an extensive dubstep fight sequence

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that uses bangarang by Skrillex. I know this because that song

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took over for five years, like 10 years ago. Um, it was a lot.

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This song was everywhere, but it is a great fight every YouTube

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video now that I'm thinking of it like every YouTube video

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ended like that. It was like, did you really make it? If you

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did it as bangarang by Skrillex onto yours. Yeah. Years. So as

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Deadpool has this extensive fight scene, the collar that he

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has also gets broken off. So it does give him a bit of his

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healing abilities back. We do see Deadpool get folded in

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different ways for the comical sense of things a. Um, literally

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and figuratively, yes, and it then eventually leads into, uh,

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cable and Deadpool blasting a hole through the wall, and

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basically, not quite, but should have causing an avalanche, um,

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from where they were and because, thankfully, once again,

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Deadpool has this healing factor, but it was at a point

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where he was very close to death. He sees Vanessa, and

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Vanessa tells him that she he has to save the kid in some way,

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shape or form. Yes, so this, um, this inspires Deadpool thinking

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about the odds against cable while he's talking to weasel and

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Dopinder. They're not only against cable, but they're up a

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whole against a whole force of soldiers transporting these

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mutants. So decide we need a team. We need some kind of

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Suicide Squad. No, they don't say that in the movie, but oh my

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god, yeah, this movie the perfect time to use that phrase.

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What are we some kind of since that's so he decides to unite DX

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force, and this is a great scene of where we have a bunch of

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characters coming in and advertising. Also another one of

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my top jokes from this movie, where do Pinder tries to get on

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the team, and they're like, what's your sewer power? And he

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pauses and he says, courage. Just a great, great joke. And

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the montage is, is also good Bedlam, being able to distort

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your the fields, electric fields, and cause nausea. Who's

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acidic guy? Who the acidic? I want to call him spit Viper, but

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I know that's not right. It's Bill Skarsgard. That was a

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surprising because I was just like, Terry Cruz, I can

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definitely see, but Bill Skarsgard, like, what? Yeah,

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his, his thing is shooting acidic vomit, and it's just

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like, yeah, we've all been to Arby's. I just had to get that

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joke out, because I will not be sponsored by Arby's because I

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just refuse. I'm sorry. Okay, let me, let me just cancel that

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meeting I have with them. I don't want the meats, all right,

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I don't want them. Oh my gosh. We also get a shatter star from

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Mojo world that that that's a lot. I'm just gonna say that,

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because I feel like that's a lot to introduce into this podcast.

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Just watch X Men 97 you'll get a sense of mojo world. But my

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favorite is definitely banisher. Oh yeah, what other monolog the

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screen presence that banisher had amazing just chef's kiss all

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the way around. Um, in during this montage, we also get two

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quick, yet important scenes that Russell sneaks into a cell

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containing the biggest person in the prison and gives them a

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pudding, making an alliance. And we also get, uh, cable capturing

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weasel. And he gives his great cable, you know, Josh Brolin, so

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you know, he can give a great, intimidating speech, and he's

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going about all the way he's going to torture weasel, you

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know, saying he's going to work through the levels of pain that

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you can experience, and we're going to work through it

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together. And weasel immediately folds immediately, I will tell

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you every I'll tell you everything, but except that

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where they are. And he just grunts, and he goes, All right,

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let me tell you exactly where they're going to be at what

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time. Also, there's a wind advisory. Oh my gosh, it's a

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great thing. I think that was one of my favorite scenes of

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this film. Just because, like, you always get these, like,

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especially in these, like, tough guys superhero kind of stuff,

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you always get, like, the torture scene. And it's like,

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yeah, man, I didn't break or nothing like that, and this guy

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immediately folded. I loved it. It was a nice change of pace.

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When, when we when we originally saw it, and even now today, um,

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so speaking of that wind advisory, though, we also have

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two other characters who are part of the team, who are domino

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played by Zazi beats, as I mentioned, great back and forth

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between the two of them, because her and Deadpool, because it

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really does come into question. Is luck a superpower? We will

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find out that it is. And of course, the iconic man himself,

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which I gotta commend him, because I was not expecting his

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presence. Peter, who basically is just like, You know what I

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saw the ad. Here's my headshot. Looks nothing like me, but you

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know what? We're gonna You're gonna love having me on this

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team. And, yeah, he qualifies you. He does, He beats out

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dopender for a role on the team. And this is, of course, one of

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the Best Comedic introductions of a team ever, because they

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jump out of a plane to get to the convoy, but because of that

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wind advisory, they all immediately are blown all over

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the place. Most of them die in horrific ways. Vanisher, when he

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hits the electric lines, it's revealed that vanisher is

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actually Brad Pitt, which Fred Savage is like. How the hell did

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you get Brad Pitt and Matt Damon in this movie? And they go on a

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very long tangent about fighting Matt Damon, which, oh, they'll

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either love or hate. I, I love to see I will say it didn't run

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a bit too long, but oh my gosh, it is perfect. I definitely

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whoever's listening out there, please get me one of those, like

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sensor beat things. I think they're like five bucks. If

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you're willing to spend five bucks on my enjoyment, I would

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very much appreciate it. It's one of those that goes on for so

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long it becomes funny again, or you again, or you just hated it

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the whole time. So pretty much everyone dies horrifically. In

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wood chippers, in helicopter blades crashing into busses,

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except for Domino and Deadpool, who are the only ones to survive

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this vicious attack. Oh, Peter also dies getting acid breath

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Arby's on him in the middle of it. But now Domino and Deadpool

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are off to stop the convoy in the middle of and cable arrives

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to attack. And another fun fact is that during when cable is

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throwing out prisoners out of the convoy to try to stop

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Deadpool from getting on, one of the prisoners he throws out is

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the director of the movie, David Leach. Is the first prisoner to

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be thrown onto the street. So again, this movie is still full

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of like fun Easter eggs in the casting that you'll blink and

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you'll miss them. Another person who gets thrown out,

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unfortunately, is black, Tom Cassidy, which now creates the

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fact, according to Deadpool, that cable is racist. It's an A

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plus joke for no reason. So as they're driving around, domino

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tries to help. There's also a great scene in which I think, I

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don't know if this was the intention, but it did seem very

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similar, in which cable does shoot repeatedly at Deadpool,

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and Deadpool uses a similar sword swing as he did to India.

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What was it? X Men, origins of Wolverine movie, when everybody

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was shooting at him. So there's that one point in which he tries

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to show that he can slice the bullet. Unfortunately, it does

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not work, and they and Kate and Deadpool just basically gets

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shot completely up.

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And then Domino is able to do something to the truck to make

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sure that it doesn't hit too many either parked cars or cars

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with passengers, because luck is a superpower that definitely

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works. And I'm not saying that sarcastically. I love the fact

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that that was a superpower that actually worked. Fortunately,

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they were able to crash or turn the truck over. They once

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they're all flown out from it. We do see that the last person

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who was in that truck who hadn't gotten thrown out was the new

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friend that Russell had made. The biggest man in the X Men,

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scope of things, not the biggest man in the universe, because we

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got Galactus, but whatnot. But my digress, the biggest X Men

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villain I think we've ever seen the Juggernaut yes, no, no.

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Vinnie Jones, Apocalypse, I'm the Juggernaut bitch here. No,

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no, no. Small people here. It's I'm the Vinny Jones is small,

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but not juggernaut size. Our most jacked character arrives

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and immediately rips Deadpool in half. Literally, the they this

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is one of the smartest PG 13 cuts they do, because in the

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original you see entrails and blood and everything. But here

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they cut right to Fred, savage as the RIP is happening, so it's

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less distracting that you don't see it. So Russ as Russ goes for

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revenge, Deadpool and his friends reconvene at blind owls.

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That's the movie's name, not mine. So just want to clarify

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everyone. And as it's revealed that Deadpool is growing baby

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legs through. Replaced the legs he had lost. And this is where

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Fred Savage brings up a really good question that was not

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addressed in the original film, yeah, so if you rip Deadpool in

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half, given his regenerative ability, does that mean that

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there are now two deadpools. Like, if the top half is the one

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we're continuing the story with, does the bottom half continue to

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grow and regenerate as well, meaning that there's a Deadpool

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out there with their own adventures. Also, it like, to

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what extent are we talking about this? Because it's like, how

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many deadpools can we? Can we get in one film if he just

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continues getting ripped in half? It's a question that even

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Deadpool doesn't even have the answer to. Yeah, it's just just

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an example of the shoddy, lazy writing, but it's really great

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gag, and it quickly is followed by another gag that they

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shortened for the PG 13 movie for a lot of reasons, where

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Deadpool uncrosses his leg like basic instinct. If you haven't

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seen that, I understand it's a very old movie for most of us.

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Somehow, actually, I saw that, but not the Princess Bride.

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That's a weird programming schedule. Blame. I blame channel

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11 and picks. I don't know. This is when cable shows up. Another

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great gag of cable showing up. And as Deadpool is talking about

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cable, he goes to dopender. He's right behind you, isn't he, and

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they turn and see, you know, a good take on the joke, and cable

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reveals that in the future, Russ, after killing the people

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who abused him, goes on to become a homicidal maniac and

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ends up killing cable's wife and daughter as revenge for cable

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trying to Take out Russell. So you know, this is a great

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parallel between cable and Deadpool. Both of them were

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killing people, or at least using force to take out people,

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and then their enemies eventually caught up with them

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and destroyed their families. So this immediately creates,

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despite everything that's happened between the two,

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Deadpool can at least understand where cable is coming from right

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now, so he agrees to help on a condition. Yeah, I just want to

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say too, the main other reason why I love this scene is that

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it's scored to the sun will come out tomorrow. I just thought

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that was just a clever take, and it's done in this like child

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like Wonder I have, I have a thing where I don't like where

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in the movie there's like the children are singing these like

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songs and these very like dark events, creeps me the heck out.

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And like that, to me, added so much more of a scare factor in

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this film, that this entire time, when watching Russell in

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this whole experience that he was in with Deadpool, I was

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like, Oh, well, you know, maybe he's not going to be that bad as

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whatever. He's just this kid trying to learn how to navigate

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the world after everybody had thrown the worst at him. And

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then you see what that turns out to be. And I think this was made

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specifically for people like me who, like they hear, like the

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children singing the songs and the creepy scenarios, and just

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like we're gonna intensify the fear and the danger that's

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coming with this scene. So I think that tying having that

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particular scene. And as you mentioned, tying the fact that

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it's just like how similar cable and Deadpool stories are, it was

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to me, a masterclass in like, showing how much of a force that

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Russell is. Because not only is he just like connecting these

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two individuals now, but he's also creating a true villain for

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this movie when we never even saw him as a villain. Yeah, it's

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really, it's a really brilliant of, like a nature versus nurture

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thing. And, you know, even though the first movie was all

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about whether Deadpool could be a hero or not, and ultimately,

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the decision was he is a killer. He's not exactly a hero, but

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he's not a villain either. He's not something, someone they have

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to worry about as much. So it's a great it's a great evolution

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for his character to in this movie. Have to deal with someone

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who also is right on the precipice of going bad or good.

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So it's really good that he is here to mentor that kind of

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person. It's a really great evolution of the character, and

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shows how really, even though it does seem like a silly parody

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movie on the surface, they really did think about what's

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the next step for his character, and that's to meet other

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killers. Dollars and see if he can guide them on the right

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path, which is kind of, you know, the running theme of

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deadpool's movies, to make people be the best versions of

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themselves by, you know, letting their reservations down a little

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bit. So even though he is has that power when he tries to

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appeal to Colossus to help. Colossus doesn't want to jump

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in. He's tired of Wade's nonsense. And even though cable

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has even agreed to give Deadpool 30 seconds to try to save

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Russell, he's not for it. So they decide to go by themselves.

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Now it's Deadpool, Dopinder, Domino and cable. And here's a

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little preview of Deadpool and Wolverine, because Deadpool and

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cable have some great banter, and just watch it. It's just the

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whole conversation is great, alluding to cable's racism, his

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comic book height. It's just like, listen, cable your cap.

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Okay, we know this. I also love the fact that Domino was backing

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up cable like, speaking as a black person in the room think

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he's racist. It's, it's such a great I think I'm, I would love

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to see them on screen more, just because I feel like the dynamic

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that they have. It's, you know, a lot of it is definitely

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influenced by Ryan Reynolds just basically saying, Whatever comes

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to mind, at least, I'm assuming what comes to mind, but I do

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love the fact that you have people that can hear that, and

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it's just like we I will give you either a very serious

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answer, or I'm going to try and one up you and just like the

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going back and forth, I think is what drew me into thinking like

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this. These characters are they're great. They're great

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together. They're not even just characters, but the actors are

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great together in the scene, even just like including

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Dopinder in the mix was just a lot of fun as they now reach

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back to the Essex location, and now they're realizing that

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Russell as firefist fully realized. Firefist has decided

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to team up with Juggernaut, and their goal is to basically take

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out every single person in this building. This is going to be

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Russell's villain origin story. His goal is to kill the

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headmaster of the entire place, and he knows that right now, the

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fight is, how can we stop as mentioned, how can we stop that

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one person from their first kill? Because once they once

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that happens, it's all over, and they all gear up, they

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immediately start running out the car. There's some awesome

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sound in music that's playing in the background. You're running

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in slow mo. It's slow mo that takes an a reasonable amount of

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time not talking one of those, like we're going to turn the two

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hour film into three hours just because it's a Director's Cut.

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Sorry, I might have a little bit of anger towards a particular re

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release film. He's talking about rebel moon. Rebel. Moon

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everywhere. He was already a director's cup. We don't need

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another one. Um, also, guys appreciate that Dopinder joins

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in on the mix he is running through. Unfortunately, though,

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because Juggernaut is there to stop them, this is what leads

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into we need more help. So they call it the second most Jack

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character in this movie to make an appearance, and he's ready to

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rumble. Yes, Colossus versus Juggernaut, honestly, probably

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one of the best CGI versus CGI battles as Deadpool would say

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himself in superhero movies, in in, I would say the decade. I

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think it's, it's really, a really good match of powers and

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this brawl, it's just a straight up brawl between two, two big

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jacked dudes. And ironically, I love this little irony of the

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movie that Deadpool and cable to try to get Russell to stop from

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killing. Kill a lot of people, a lot of bad guys, to get to

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Russell eventually, through a little the magic of electricity.

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And if you've seen the first episode of the boys, that's how

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they defeat juggernaut. Here, with electricity and some water

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and Deadpool, gets to Russ Russell and is trying to talk

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Russell down, but Russell is just not coming down. So as an

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extreme measure, Deadpool puts on a mutant suppressing collar.

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So now Russell knows he's completely vulnerable, but when

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it still seems like it's going to go, South Gable goes to shoot

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Russell, but Deadpool takes the bull. It, yeah, and here we get

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a chance to see the one scene, the one death scene that lasts

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longer than Yodas Dez pool is just telling everyone his final

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wishes and all that. Even tells cable that he hopes that one day

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that He will judge people by the content their skin and not the

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color of their sorry, not the color of their skin. Says hi to

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Yukio one last time, and as he finally passes, we see that

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Deadpool has finally made it into the afterlife. He is next

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to Vanessa now they have their embrace, but then back into the

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land of the living cable, who using his time device he he does

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know that this is the last time he can use this. So he turns on

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the time device to trans take himself back to the beginning of

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when they were in the car, and this is when Vanessa tells

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Deadpool is still not your time. You got to go back and be there

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for your family. And it's this new family that he's built here.

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Now, not just not the X Force, it's, it's literally this family

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that he has with cable, domino Colossus and brussel even so,

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with Deadpool now coming back to life, because cable, in the

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past, apparently takes the ski ball token that given Deadpool

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gave it to Vanessa for their anniversary, for their one year

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anniversary, Deadpool held on to it after Vanessa's death. Cable

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stole it during their fight in the icebox, and cable placed it

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back into the exact spot where he knew he was going to shoot

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Deadpool in the future. So he made sure to place it there, and

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because it was straight led, thankfully, was on Deadpool,

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because I'm pretty sure that could have caused many harm to

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any other person. The bullet is stopped, and now Deadpool is

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alive. Knowing that cable went back in time to make this

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change, he's hoping, even for cable, that his family is going

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to be okay, and we get that confirmation when the little

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bear that he had connected to his body, which was his

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daughter's, is now, instead of it being the burnt bear that is

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missing some things, is now a fully clean bear, like as was

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dipped in a bathtub full of Dawn soap. Yes. So the future is now

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changed, and he'll cable says, You know what? I'm going to

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stick around to make sure that it stays that way. Group now

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walks away as a fully formed family in an hilarious Easter

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little note, Dopinder accidentally kills the villain

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of the movie instead of instead of Fire Fist, so thus no one

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gets away scot free. Here we cut straight back to Fred Savage,

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and this is where Deadpool says, hey, they're going to be a

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couple post credit scenes. And Fred Savage and Deadpool kind of

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geek out over the post credit scenes. Famously, in this post

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credit scene, the Time Machine is fixed by Yukio and Negasonic,

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so Deadpool is able to go back in time save Vanessa. He's able

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to save Peter. Good thing, because Peter is a huge

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character later on, and to really for us, he kills the

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origins version of Deadpool and kills the Ryan, Ryan Reynolds,

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who would have signed on to Green Lantern, yes, and that's

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it. That's what how our film wraps up in a very touching note

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for the fans. Um, with that now, we have to determine if

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Deadpool, once upon, the Deadpool has earned its cape, or

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is this movie a Chris Evans, AKA a cap? Yes. I will also mention,

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uh, the true ending is that uh, Fred Savage is cut from his bed,

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and since he's his legs, he's been asleep for three days. He

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collapses almost instantly, and that's the last scene of the

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movie. Also, he had no pants. He's naked from the waist down,

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like Winnie the Pooh. Yes, but is it cape or cap? I am going to

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say cape. Actually, I think I do. Think I'll get it, I'll

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address the the Fred Savage in the room. Does the framing

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device work? Yes, and no, uh, there are times when it really

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does enhance the movie. And it's kind of, it is fun to hear Fred

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Savage's come. Comments. And there are times like where we

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mentioned before with Vanessa, where it does get a little

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distracting for them to stop the movie, to cut in. I think if I

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was going to do an RT alteration on the framing device, I would

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have it be more of a director's commentary, where they would be

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able to chime in at any time and talk over some of the events of

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the movie after they established this frame exists, rather than

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cut away to Fred Savage, I get why they did it and the

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temptation, and they still could find the best of both worlds,

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but I think it might have worked a little bit better as a

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director's commentary setup. But honestly, the thing that makes

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me like this version of it is it's more focused. I think in

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the original Deadpool two, we have the themes of family and

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togetherness and everything, and it's really it's there, but

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there are a lot of R rated jokes and gags that go on for a bit

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and kind of distract it here. I feel like it's more streamlined

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that the line to Deadpool wanting a family to losing that

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family and gaining it again. I feel like because they had to

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cut out a lot of really raunchy gags and blood we get to that

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line so much faster. And sure we do lose some jokes that that is

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definitely no argument there. But honestly, the best jokes

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that I remember from Deadpool two are still here, and I don't

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miss the blood and gore as much. Of course, that is a main appeal

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of these movies. And I'm not saying, you know, Deadpool two

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is worse or but I'm, I do think this is a streamlined story that

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moves a little bit quicker. And my, my third thing I want to say

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is that I think that if you're if somebody has not watched any

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of the Deadpool and one who watched Deadpool and Wolverine,

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they should watch this version of Deadpool two, because they it

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skips all the jokes about Logan, mainly in this version. And I

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think it kind of if you're watching them in succession, and

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you kind of don't want to blow the Logan jokes early. This is a

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good place to watch it, because they they only mentioned Logan a

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couple of times, and you're going to get a lot of Logan in

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three. So overall, I hesitate to say it's a better version of

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Deadpool two, but I would say it is a streamlined and more

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focused version, with some notable, notable parts where it

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gets a little distracted by itself. But I think it's a solid

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version of this movie. I know that's not a popular opinion,

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but I I kind of like this version about you. Yeah,

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that's that's interesting, the way to put it, because I did

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feel very similar. I was just like, I felt like the pacing was

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very different compared to when I first watched it. And I

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thought maybe it was like, oh, because of the intersection of

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like, Fred Savage coming in and just saying, like, let's

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reiterate what we just saw, just so that there's a clear

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understanding of it. But I agree. I think it's a much more

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of a streamlined movie. I would say that this is still because,

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just because, like, I've always felt like Deadpool two, um, was

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a pretty strong film when it came to, like, given this his

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particular story, I would say that it is also okay for me. Um,

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the only reason why I will give it a cap rating is because it's

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not a Christmas film in any way, shape or form. This is the thing

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that upset me the most, because, like, I was just like, you have

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an opportunity, given the fact that this film was released on

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Christmas. If you're seeing all the ads, it is very Christmassy.

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And even some of the imagery in these in the commercials, and

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the ads and the trailers for it were Christmas themed. So to

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watch this movie, and there's not like anything related at all

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to the holiday season, is a little weird, and it feels like

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it was more focused on, like, we know that this is coming out

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around Christmas. Let's just play into that. And, like, just

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trick the parent to have kids that wanted to see death pool,

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but I first were told no, so I would have expected if it was a

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little different, like, maybe incorporate even some lights or,

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you know, just treat it more, because it's not the first time

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in which, like in a Christmas movie, where an elderly person

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is reading a story to the younger child. I think one of my

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favorite ones I'm thinking about right now is jingle jangle,

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whereas you just have Felicia Rashad who is reading the story,

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and it's like you it's basically the same. Same thing, just

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replace the scenario, give it a bit more of a holiday feel. If

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you were going to market this as a Christmas movie, because

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there's, there's not even a mention of what time of year

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this takes place in so this is, yeah, it's a cape for

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storytelling. It's a cape for the additions some gag scenes

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did seem a little extra, but I did appreciate the fact that it

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came right at the height of when Disney had bought Marvel. So

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there were a lot of bit more like Disney references than it,

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because it was like, we can now say these things because, or,

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sorry, not Marvel, but Fox, or, I mean, Disney owns everything,

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so it was right at the moment where they could easily say a

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lot of the things I feel popped up more so in this version than

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it did in Deadpool two. Yeah. But I would just say the My main

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issue with it, it's not a Christmas movie in any way,

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shape or form. It did not make sense to market it as such. It's

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not a Christmas movie at all. It did not make any sense to me to

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market it as that way. I would have just enjoyed this movie as

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just like, let's just give it a kid version story of the

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Deadpool two movie. I think that as parents who probably have

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kids that know and they know that their kid is too young to

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watch this kind of content, I think they would appreciate it.

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I haven't seen The Princess Bride, but I did appreciate the

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interjections from Fred Savage. And I do agree, I think that it

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would have been better if it was more like a director's

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commentary, where it's just like, you have the opening scene

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of Fred Savage and then you just have scenes of him and Deadpool

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talking over certain things, like even treat it was just

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like, let's add in like a pause feature. Like, we see cable pop

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up and you just see, like, the VCR kind of stopped. It's just

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like, and it's like, Wait a minute. You guys got cable in

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this thing and just have it play around with that. I think the

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going back and forth in between the different stories does take

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a little bit out of it, and that's from hearing from how you

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describe the Princess Bride. I could see why they tried to do

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that. But I feel like, don't mark it as a Christmas movie and

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give us less back and forth between Fred Savage and the

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original film. Like, just give, give the movie to us, just

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straight as is. But overall, a cape for me. Um, I would

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definitely be showing like, definitely not like my 10 year

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old. I don't have a 10 year old, but I was like, I would not show

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my 10 year old this movie, but I would feel more comfortable if,

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like, my 13 year old, who hasn't experienced R rated films with

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like blood and gore, had never seen something like this, I

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would be okay with them watching this nice, well said, well said.

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And I think I can explain some of it in a section. I working

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title for the section, but when I go behind the scenes, I'm

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going to call it loose threads, tentatively, loose threads

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because, you know, Cape theme threads, sewing so loose

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threads. About this movie. I like that, because caps could

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also have loose threads. Yeah. All right, there you go. All

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right. Thank you for justifying this so you, you did make a

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great point. Why is this marketed as a Christmas film

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when there's nothing Christmas in it. Well, this movie was not

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supposed to exist. Quite simply, the re the main reason, again,

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this is speculation. Fox has not confirmed any of what I'm about

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to say, but I'm going to put the facts out and let you guys

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figure it out for yourself. It sounds like a conspiracy, but

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no, it's just the fact. So, originally, in December, Fox was

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supposed to release Alita Battle Angel. However, it was not ready

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to be released in cinemas, leaving Fox with a big Christmas

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slot and nothing to do. Deadpool two had done fairly well that

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year, so what they decided was, why not release a cut of

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Deadpool two in that slot that we have, but we can't just

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rerelease it. Nobody would see it. They decided to recut it

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down to a PG 13, in the hopes that regions that never got to

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see Deadpool two because of the mature content, might be able to

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see it, such as China, who had not approved the first version

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of the film. So the hope was to expand the film into different

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territories and also pull people back into the theaters who had

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already seen it, in hopes they would give them money again to

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see it in theaters. Ryan Reynolds said he was not a he

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wasn't initially into the idea, but he agreed to it on the basis

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that Fox would donate $1 from every ticket sold to the fudge

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Cancer Foundation. So he did. This was a charitable movie,

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and, you know, in spirit Christmas. But because this

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happened very rapidly, Fred Savage's scenes were only all

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filmed in one. Day one sitting, they had to get Fred Savage in

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so that's a big reason why, I think they didn't try too hard

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to push a Christmas theme. I think also back to the

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territories thing. I think they also wanted to avoid attaching

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it to a Christian holiday, in case the expansion to

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territories worked, they didn't want to, you know, root it in a

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very specific Christian tradition. So that is, those are

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the between the speed at which they had the one day with Fred

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Savage and the fact that they were trying to expand it. Those

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are probably all the reasons why this is not actually the

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Christmas movie that they marketed. Why Fox chose to

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market it as a Christmas movie when Alita Battle Angel also

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wasn't well, maybe that's why Fox has been bought up at

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Disney. Yeah. So you can fill in the blanks there, but that is

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pretty much behind the scenes of how this movie came to be. X

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Force was originally intended to return for Deadpool three.

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Again, that didn't happen because Fox bought out. But

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given the fact that Deadpool and Wolverine is the highest

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grossing R rated movie. I would not be surprised if Deadpool

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four pulled back domino cable Wolverine and and Deadpool all

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together for an X Force and last but not least, something I

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learned, um, just now, you'll never be able to watch movies

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the same way again, because every movie that you watch, they

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are the Writers Guild, and all the guilds and all the unions

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are required to give credit to all the actors and writers twice

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now that you they used to do it right at the beginning of the

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film. Everybody used to do this. But for the films that don't do

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it, they have to do it twice. So that is why, when a movie ends

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and they have a creative title sequence of drawings and cutesy

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drawings, Deadpool shooting while you see people's names,

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that is to fulfill the legal requirement to show the credits

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twice. That's why you have a glossy end titles and then you

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see black and white credits every time. Oh, I was wondered

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about that. I was just like, all right. I mean, I always

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appreciated the details that a lot of people who are making

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these movies are putting together to show us. And they're

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like, very well done, animated, animated. Sometimes sequences of

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the end credit scenes always just wonders. It's like, well, I

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know that Ryan Reynolds played Deadpool and Wade Wilson. I

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don't need to. I don't need the 15th reminder. But no, that does

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make sense. Thank you for making sure that these people gain

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their

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credit. Yeah, and now you'll never watch the movie the same

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again, like end game. You're like, oh, whoa. That's a really

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cool tribute to all the Avengers over the years, no, that's a

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legal requirement. This time we thought it was nice. It was

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like, No, we're just trying to make sure we don't get sued just

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here, so we don't get fined, yes, because that money should

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be going to flush cancer. That is not a sponsorship or anything

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that we have, but we will definitely be put in the link to

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that into our show notes, because F that thing, yes, all

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right. And speaking of all these, like animated sequences

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and all that, we'd have to talk about the comic books that

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inspired this whole film. This this movie, these characters

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coming together. Don't worry, it'll be quick, because I know

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that I was already beat by Fred Savage in terms of the origin

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story of cable. So I won't tell you all about that. Instead,

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though, I will tell you all about the first time that

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Deadpool and cable did me, and how did that go? So, uh,

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Deadpool was actually created just to fight cable. Deadpool

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was first introduced in the New Mutants number 98 back in 1990

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um, he's created by Rob lifefield and Fabian McKenzie

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macheze. I believe. I'm sorry I'm butchering that last name,

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but these two came together when they were writing and putting

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together the New Mutants. Lifefield has started working on

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it with issue number about 86 or so, and when he was thinking

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about ways to like, really wrap it up, some of the things that

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he did think about was that he wanted to create a duo that

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could compete against Marvel's biggest characters in that

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moment to see if there's a way that he can bring their

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personalities and styles together, and those characters.

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Wolverine and spider man. And fortunately for him, he had

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already created cable. He already created this straight

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laced, very serious guy, no no fun in his life had like a chip

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on his shoulder or, I guess, robotic arm, given the fact of

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who cable is. And while cable was created, I will also preface

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that Nathan Summers, who is the the real name, the alter ego

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that he has, was created a couple years before. So we got a

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chance to see cable come to a full adult self through Rob

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lifefields His eyes and artwork. And this is when he realized

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that he had the straight lace guy. He was like, I need to find

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my spider man. I need to I need to create a character who just

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can't stop talking, who cracks a joke at every single thing. And

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he started designing a character that he then presented the

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artwork over to Fabian. And Fabian looked at it and was just

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like, man, you drew Deathstroke from the Teen Titans, and that's

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what inspired the alter ego name of death pool Wade Wilson,

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because it was like, Well, I mean, if we're gonna go full

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thing, might as well call him something similar to Slade

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Wilson, and this character will then be introduced in the New

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Mutants number 98 where his first meetup with cable was he

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was hired by Toler, by a character named Toliver, who was

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a New Mutants villain, um, who's Also apparently the time travel

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future son of cable. I people. Who was who hired Deadpool to go

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and assassinate cable was while cable was learning what it was

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like to be a team leader for these new mutants, and there was

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fighting. There was a couple times in which cable basically

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broke deadpool's Draw and the thing, but he just kept going

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and going and going and going. Fortunately, they were finally

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able to take down Deadpool, when domino showed up, knocked them

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in the back of the head and was able to send him on his way. And

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that's how the story ends. That was their first interaction.

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Thanks, Domino. You're so lucky. Yeah. So was that Deadpool

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wasn't the character that we knew him to be kind of like

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today. This like huge regenerative, regenerative

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factor, the character who just couldn't stop talking, or really

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more So breaking the fourth wall. The fourth wall break was

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introduced much later for him in the comics. But again, this is

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really just about 34 years of Deadpool. Deadpool is almost as

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whole as us. It is wild to see that character who I feel like I

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have seen my entire life and now came to life in the live action

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presence being done by a man who basically is the our world's

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version of Deadpool, minus the assassin work just bringing him

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here to life. So when that happened, everybody loved the

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fact of just like, Yeah, you did it. You got your Wolverine, you

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got your SpiderMan. Let's see more. And this is what led to

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Deadpool not only teaming up with cable for many, many comics

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later on in the future, having all these crazy stories with

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them, but also it's just like, let's introduce him to a bunch

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of our other characters, given the fact he's already has this

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connection to cable, meaning that he's immune, and let's

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introduce him with the X Men. So that's how we got team us

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between Deadpool and Wolverine, where, even right now, they're

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creating a cover art, a variant cover art where Deadpool and

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Wolverine are fighting, and I think biggie is supposed to stop

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them from fighting. Okay, yeah, so this just connecting to the

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absurdity at times of Deadpool. We also had Deadpool teaming up

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with Spider Man. So Rob's dreams are coming true, where he's

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like, he's teaming up with these like Marvel big heads in the

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world. And just a couple years ago, Deadpool teamed up with

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Black Panther. Deadpool was in Wakanda. I am cautiously curious

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about that. Waiting to go. Don't worry. I think it was okay,

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because this time around, it wasn't like he was coming after

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cable thought his actions towards black Tom Cassidy. But

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it does, it does give us a great lens into the marketability,

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really, of Deadpool, because he really started out as just

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really your basic army dude, like this basic guy who would

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just go through and just take care of business with a bunch of

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weapons, and now he's turned into this character that can

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easily just enter space with all these other big characters in

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the in the Marvel Universe, even making comments at times about

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the. Other worlds, like the DC Universe. And, you know, may

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have me think, like, outside of these particular team ups, what

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character do you think Deadpool should be teamed up with next?

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Like, if you were writing this book, who would you include? I

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would see Deadpool. I think it's pretty obvious, but I just want

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to see Deadpool and Loki. I just want to, I want to see how

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chaotic this, this could get. Like, I just don't even know the

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possibilities of those two together. I just don't even know

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if, like, they're just out trying to out prank each other.

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It's kind of like a prank wars kind of thing, and Loki can't

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kill him, you know. So I think there's a lot of comedic

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potential between the two of them. I like that. My My thing

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was I wanted to do a Deadpool and Joker, just because I feel

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like Deadpool is the character I feel that might be able to cause

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Joker to just break like Joker has broken in the past because

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he was like, he he didn't want to team up with Red Skull,

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because he was like, I will condone everything in the world,

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all kind of matters of violence, but I will not condone Nazis.

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And that is what he said. And I would appreciate to see like,

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how could a character like Deadpool like, what is the

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what's not the moral stance that Joker has, but what is the like?

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What could be the thing that could break Joker in a comedic

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sense? And I feel like Deadpool could be the person to do that.

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And, um, DC. I think I remember a couple years that DC does have

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a version of Deadpool that's not, that's not that stroke that

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Harley Quinn did team up with. But it wasn't as like overt with

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the fourth wall breaking, but it was very much so, like these

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characters have a very similar skill set, so that character,

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unfortunately, didn't do as well, if I'm not mistaken, just

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because everybody just thought it was just DCS Deadpool, sorry,

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Deathstroke, we know that you are DCS, death pool, Deadpool,

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yes, and Deadpool also, of course, appears in Teen Titans

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Go to the movies when Robin and the rest of The Teen Titans call

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out Deadpool, so he's everywhere. And the last thing

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I'm just going to bring up real quickly is deadpool's family. So

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this particular movie was not only just a movie about Deadpool

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trying to figure out what this family looked like for him, but

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of course, it was also marketed as a Christmas family film.

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Deadpool does have a family. Um, it differs in comics with a lot

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of times, but the most current one, the one that seems to have

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taken the strongest hold within the timeline of things, is the

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family that he created from a a one night stand that you have

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with a woman named Carmelita. This led to his most famous

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daughter, Ellie Camacho, during that thing, during their their

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moment. Deadpool did not know that he was a father, so when

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Carmelita brought the child to him to show that, like, Hey,

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this is your kid in a very I will say it was a weird moment,

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but it was a touching one, because she originally came up

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to asking about child support payments, but he said that he

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couldn't believe that this child was his, because this child was

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too beautiful. And I just love that, because it was just like

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it shows at that pool, even though he's like this jokester

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kind of guy who probably, at times, seems he has no care for

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human life and whatnot. He does. He does. He really, truly does.

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Unfortunately, though, because she got introduced to deadpool's

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life, it led to Carmelita and Ellie getting kidnapped. So

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Deadpool went on this whole mission to make sure to save

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them. It led to the death of Carmelita. So Deadpool had to

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find a way to take care of his new kid. And well, of course,

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being the fact that he's a mutant, and the the the

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chromosome that apparently the X gene travels across, is supposed

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to be the the Y chromosome. Ellie developed powers, and her

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powers are very similar to her father's, except in order for

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them to activate, she has to completely die. She does not

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have a regenerative factor. She instead completely dies and then

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respawns, if anything. Oh, well, I don't know. I hope she stays

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out of here with him. I think she should just not do it. I

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think that's just one of those like, oh. And can she? Is she

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immortal? That's also going to be a great question to answer

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later on. Well, with that, that wraps up our comic book section.

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So, um, yeah, Deadpool guys, family, and it does not involve

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cable. At times, cable, he and take cable, tend to team up. I

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think we're going to see more Deadpool and cable. Team ups,

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because while all the comments are being written right now,

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really to kind of focus in on the Deadpool Wolverine team up

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for the sake of the movie, the most iconic team up is Deadpool

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cable, especially because they have this rich history and

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backstory of how they were created, almost to influence one

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another. So I think that we're going to especially now that

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mutants are back into the comic world in the sense of like they

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are connected to the to the larger universe. I expect in the

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next couple years we're going to see that resurgence of Deadpool

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and cable storytelling. So that wraps up our episode. Here join

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us on our next stop for Ryan and Hugh road trip as we enter

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Japan. Fortunately, it's not going to be another Batman Japan

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movie, or Yakuza versus Batman versus the Yakuza League. No,

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we're not doing that. Instead, we are going to see what happens

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to Hugh Jackman as the Wolverine when he enters Japan in 2013 in

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this movie called The Wolverine, we're adding the definitive

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article here to this particular movie. Yes, we're not covering

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bat manager too. Just want to throw that out before anyone

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gets ideas. We're not doing it unless you give us money. Then

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shouldn't. I mean, look, if this movie has taught me anything,

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I've never been but as an objective absorber in the game,

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