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Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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Hi everybody.
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We're gonna have a very interesting
and informative episode today.
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I'm sitting down here to chat with
my good friend and animal lover,
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Charlotte, who is also a veterinarian.
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Dr.
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Milazzo, can you please tell
us a little bit about yourself?
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Charlotte: I am Dr.
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Charlotte Milazzo.
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I am from New Orleans, Louisiana,
and I got my veterinary degree from
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Tuskegee University in Alabama, and
I did my preceptorship in Australia.
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A couple of externships in California.
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And I like to do private practice
and charity work as well.
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Birds are my favorite.
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Everybody always asks.
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Dixie: So, what's special about birds?
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Why are they your favorite?
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Charlotte: Well, they're forgotten
about by a lot of other vets.
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Vets will say, oh no, I don't see birds.
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And some things are pretty easy to take
care of with birds, but some things are
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highly specialized 'cause they're so
different than all the other species.
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They're just really cool creatures.
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And the amount, the type of species
and the wide variety is huge.
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There's so much diversity,
we've got raptors, we've got
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parrots, we've got songbirds.
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It's just interesting.
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Dixie: I wanted to talk about a trend
that I'm seeing a lot on social media,
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and it's basically where people get
on social media and they'll be having
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some kind of veterinary emergency and
they're out there asking people for help.
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Hey, what do I do?
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So I wanted to quickly chat
about situations where people
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should be going to the vet asap.
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From your experience, what are some
of the most common situations where
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pet owners hesitate to go to the
emergency room, but absolutely should?
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Charlotte: Well, I, one of the hard ones
to make the call is when an animal eats
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an object that is obviously dangerous
or something that's not gonna pass like
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rope or material a lot of times it does
pass, but, some things are just obvious
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foreign bodies that are gonna get stuck
and sometimes people will wait until the
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animal gets really sick and they go in.
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I think we probably see more cases
of object eating where people
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wait too long than, coming in
and not needing to have come in.
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So it's always best to catch
those things right away.
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Dixie: I actually had a situation
with that when I was younger.
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It was Christmas.
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I had a relatively new cat.
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He was probably about maybe
seven, eight months old.
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And I saw him steal a piece of
ribbon off of a Christmas present.
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Charlotte: Wow.
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Dixie: And I saw him eat the ribbon
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Charlotte: uhhuh.
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Dixie: So I chased him down.
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I tried to get it, couldn't get to him in
time, and I saw him swallow that ribbon.
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Well, we ended up at the emergency vet.
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It was like my worst Christmas ever.
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Charlotte: Yep.
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Dixie: And the vet had to
try to induce vomiting.
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He vomited several times.
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And it never came up.
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Charlotte: Yep.
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Dixie: And so the vet was
like, are you sure that, are
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you sure you saw him eat it?
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I'm like, I am absolutely
100% certain that he ate it.
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Oh, well.
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So they did send him home.
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They said they thought that maybe
I just didn't see it correctly.
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Charlotte: Uhhuh.
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Dixie: So we got home and they
just, they did tell me, look
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out for vomiting and diarrhea.
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But we got home and he
did end up throwing it up.
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Charlotte: Well that's good.
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Dixie: Yeah.
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So he did eat it.
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Charlotte: Uhhuh.
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Dixie: I wasn't wrong.
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I did see him eat it.
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Charlotte: Yep.
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Dixie: So, what would you say about that?
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Should people be a hundred
percent certain that they see them
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eat it?
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Charlotte: If you have any idea that
you think your animal ate something bad?
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If you even have that inkling and the
animal seems in any way distressed, yes,
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you definitely need to go to the er.
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Also with like medications I have like.
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Dogs and cats that will get into human
medications, eat a whole bottle of
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like blood pressure medicine or ADD
medication or something like that.
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And you have about 20 minutes
to get them to puke it up.
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Sometimes emergency vets will tell
people to give a little bit like a
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teaspoon or so of hydrogen peroxide to
get the animal orally, to get the animal
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to throw up, especially if it's pills
because you only really have about.
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10, 15 minutes really with some
pills before they start to be
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metabolized and absorbed in the GI.
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So, otherwise if not you need to rush to
the hospital and have them induce vomiting
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so they can vomit up as many of those
pills as they can or whatever they ate.
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You have to be careful too because
sometimes if they eat things like
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batteries, like those button batteries.
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You don't want them to vomit in those
case cases, they have to be opened up
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because if they vomit that up, the acid
in the stomach, it's gonna burn the
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esophagus and everything on the way up.
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Same thing with things like bleach.
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If an animal like eats a bleach bottle,
like gel bleach pen or something like
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that, and they manage to get it down,
you probably don't want them throwing
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that up again because it's just gonna
irritate the esophagus on the way up.
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So it depends on what they ate.
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And another big one too is
tampons, feminine products,
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baby diapers, dental floss.
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Those are all the things that we
pull out of animals, underwear.
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All kinds of things.
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So, if you see your animal eating
that, then it's time to go in.
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A lot of people wait days and days,
and then by that time we have to go
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in and remove sections of intestine
that have died and things like that.
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And then the outcome of the
surgery is generally not very
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good in, in a lot of those cases.
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String foreign bodies like the ribbon,
you have to really be careful about.
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If you think your animal has swallowed
a ribbon, the first place you wanna
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check is the back of their tongue.
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If you can, you should open the mouth
and check the base of the tongue.
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There are cats that I have seen
that have played with yarn.
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I always tell people it's not
cute to give a kitten yarn.
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Not at all.
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So if you have a cat that
plays with yarn, no stop.
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I pull way too much yarn out of animals.
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So, it can get wrapped around the tongue
base, go through the entire GI and be
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hanging out the butt end of the cat.
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And people will call the ER and
say, well, should I pull the string
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that's hanging from my cat's butt?
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And I'll tell them, no.
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Check under the tongue first, and
you'd be surprised how many people
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find the beginning of the yarn or the
ribbon or whatever it is wrapped around
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the base of the tongue dental floss.
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You it's incredible to think that it
could travel that far out of the animal.
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And the problem is they get in
distress pretty quickly because
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it's like everything from mouth to
butt turns into an accordion, all,
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bunched up together on a string.
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So definitely keep strings
away from your animals.
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Dixie: Yeah.
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And
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I hate that every time you see a
drawing of a kitten they always
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have a fricking ball of yarn.
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Charlotte: Yes.
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Exactly.
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Dixie: And I hate that because kittens
should not be playing with string.
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They should not be playing with yarn.
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Charlotte: Yep.
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I'll see people give rope toys
sometimes to the wrong size animal.
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And they'll have a large dog with a
rope toy that they could easily swallow.
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And there's plenty of safe things for
them to chew on without giving them
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anything that could be dangerous.
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Dixie: If they have string like
hanging out of the butt and Yeah.
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So if they have the string hanging
out the butt, they should not
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pull it.
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Charlotte: Never pull string
hanging out of a butt.
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Now if they're defecating and you
see a little bit and you know they
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can't poop and you're, you can
gently apply a little pressure.
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But if you have to, if you have to
actually pull on it, leave it alone.
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If you can wipe it with a Kleenex or a
paper towel and it comes off or out, okay?
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If you have to pull it, do not
pull it, go immediately to the er.
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Dixie: Because I can imagine it
can get tangled on intestines
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and all kinds of stuff too.
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Charlotte: Oh yeah.
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Dixie: Not just The tongue base.
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Charlotte: Yep
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Dixie: so are there other
situations aside from.
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Foreign bodies.
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Charlotte: Well, I see a lot of
unnecessary visits to the emergency room.
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Well, I guess we'll talk
about the necessary ones.
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Bloat in dogs is a big one
where people will see just the
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animal uncomfortable pacing.
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Sometimes there's
vomiting, but not always.
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Sometimes the stomach can twist
and nothing's coming in or out.
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It's extremely painful.
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And if you stand over
the animal, you can see.
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One side, bulging and it's, you can even
ping it and it sounds like a basketball
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or some other air-filled cavity.
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And it, if you don't decompress it very
soon, it will it can actually rupture.
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So, there's certain breeds that are
more predisposed to that, like, mostly
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large dogs and deep chested dogs
like German shepherds, greyhounds,
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poodles standard sized poodles.
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Dobermans they are one of those
that are suspect for bloat.
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So, a lot of times when they eat, they'll
eat too quickly and swallow a lot of air.
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And that can also be the
cause of like air bloat.
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Sometimes they can bloat from
eating too much food, but usually
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if the dangerous one is air bloat.
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Dixie: Now, I don't know if it's
true, but I've heard something
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about not giving them ice either.
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Can ice cause bloat?
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Charlotte: Not necessarily.
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I think if you have an animal that has
a sensitive GI, that may be a bad idea.
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I.
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Most of the time, ice
really isn't gonna matter.
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I'd be more worried about them
choking on it or, aspirating on a,
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on something the size of an ice cube.
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'cause some ice cubes are just
perfect to fit down the trachea.
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But as far as it being cold, that's
really shouldn't be an issue.
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But they even tell human athletes, that,
if you're overheated, sometimes it's a
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bad idea to drink something that's very
cold, so it may cause cramping, but it's
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certainly not gonna, cause anything major?
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I always tell people two things.
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You must go to the ER for if an animal
can't breathe and that it's turning blue.
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This is not a regular thing,
meaning you, you have a boxer or
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a French bulldog that gets excited
and they turn blue for a second.
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If they're coughing or they
have a reverse sneeze situation
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going on that's one thing.
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But if you think they've inhaled food and
they look like they're really struggling,
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it's time to, to get to the er.
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But some of the things you can try at
home, if it's a dog that you can pick
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up actually holding it upside down.
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Is an excellent way to get something
out of a trachea with a small animal
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or even a small person if need be.
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People always forget, work with gravity.
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So that's another one that you
a must for going to the er.
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Bleeding.
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Anything that's bleeding, that's
spurting blood a few inches up,
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yes, you need to apply quick
pressure and get them to the er.
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Things like toenails, bleeding
toenails, or dogs that bite their
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tongues sometimes there can be a lot
of blood associated with that, but it's
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not like a dangerous amount of blood.
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So, I have never seen an animal
bleed out from a toenail ever though.
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Generally toenails do
not need to go to the er.
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It's always best to have quick
stop, which is some like styptic
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powder that people use for shaving.
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You can pack on the end of the toenail.
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You can even use cooking flour in a
real emergency to help congeal some of
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that blood at the base of the toenail.
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And that's one of the
most painful injuries.
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I see that in the ER a lot because
the dogs will limp and people
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will think, oh, it's a broken leg.
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It's a toenail that's cracked.
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So I always say if your dog's limping
or your cat's limping, first thing
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you should do is check the toenails.
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If you can't do anything
else, at least do that.
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And that's one thing you can rule out.
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Dixie: I'd like to get
into cats a little bit too.
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What are gonna be some of your more common
emergencies that you're gonna see in cats?
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Charlotte: Cats.
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One of the big things we see with cats,
especially male cats, is bladder stones.
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And what happens is it they get a
stone in the bladder, same way that
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people get stones in their bladder
and kidneys and other places as well.
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The only problem is the urinary
tract of male cats is so small.
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It's like a couple of hairs.
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wide.
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So if they get even just a little bit
of grit in their urine or a stone,
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it can easily block the bladder from
draining into the urethra, especially
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in a male because it's much smaller
and it has to go through the penis.
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So, a lot of times they'll get
blocked and people don't realize that
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their cat hasn't urinated for a day
or two and they're acting strange.
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They're crying, they're just laying there.
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And if they're starting to be in dire
emergency state, . You can even squeeze
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the area of their body where their bladder
should be just around the pelvis from
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underneath the abdomen, and you can feel,
it feels sometimes like the size of a
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lemon or a baseball and it's completely
filled with urine and they can't urinate.
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And it's a series of emergency.
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So as soon as we get them
in, we try to sedate them
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immediately and pass a catheter.
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If we can't pass a catheter to push
the stone back into the bladder.
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We'll we have to go in and, aspirate or
suck some of the urine out with a syringe
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and needle to give them some relief so
we have a little time to work and that
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they're not, in danger of their bladder
rupturing because if they don't get
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attention for that, they, their bladder
will rupture and it will kill them and
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that it's not a very pleasant way to go.
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So I've unfortunately seen some some
folks that maybe didn't have the
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funds to go to the emergency vet.
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I think they can do something at
home, and unfortunately I've had to
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tell them sometimes euthanasia is the
kindest option in those cases because
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it's not a nice way to pass with your
bladder ruptured and dying of sepsis.
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So if that's the case, it's
always best to put your animals'
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feelings ahead of yours for sure.
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Yeah, and
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Dixie: Dr.
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Milazzo also helped me with my cat Kipper.
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Charlotte: Yes.
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Dixie: Would you like to take the
credit for Kipper , Dr Milazzo?
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Charlotte: Well, just to give
you guys an idea, I'm 45, so I'm
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on the route to becoming what
we call a dinosaur veterinarian.
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So I still know some of the old ways
of teaching and some of the quick fixes
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that we've had to do to save animals.
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Almost like battlefield medicine.
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And sometimes that comes in handy,
especially when there are a lot
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of young vets around that are
very smart, very on top of things,
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very into the latest and the best
techniques and the current research.
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And so, there's a little bit battle
between the dinosaur vets and the new
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vets about what to do with blocked cats.
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And over the 20 years
that I've been practicing.
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I can tell you that the proof is in the
pudding and what I see when I treat it,
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what cats get better and what cats don't.
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And a lot of times when you have a
cat that either has a stone or has
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severe urethral inflammation, so much
so that it's so swollen that they
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can't pee and it's not necessarily a
stone, but it's just swelling of the
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urethra that keeps them from urinating.
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You have to go in and you have to put a
catheter in there just like a human would
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get in the hospital so that they're able
to urinate from the bed or whatever.
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And you have to leave that in there
for at least two to three days.
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So that while the inflammation is
going on going down and you give
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antibiotics and anti-inflammatories.
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The body has a chance to be able
to rid itself of waste products.
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And while the inflammation is
stopping and you don't have to
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worry about re blocking up again.
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Now, there's a newer school of
thought that, that says, the
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catheter shouldn't be in that long.
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It needs to be taken out after,
10 or 12 hours, or sometimes even
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less once the cat is unblocked
because it's a source of infection.
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Well.
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My, my train of thought is that you
don't have to worry about infection
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killing you if your bladder ruptures.
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So, you gotta pick the
lesser of two evils.
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So the funny story is how Dixie and I
became friends many years ago was when
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Kipper was blocked and for the first time.
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Usually some male cats will happen
once in a lifetime, sometimes
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twice if it becomes a repeat thing.
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And they like, they're going into the
emergency several times with this.
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Then they have to get what's called
a urethrotemy which is basically
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they remove the penis and they
make a new opening that's much
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larger for the bladder to drain.
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So, it's basically just like they
will, most of them leak urine
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after that, but it's a surgery that
you can do to save their lives.
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But it's not something that
you wanna do on a cat that's
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been blocked once in its life.
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'cause chances are it had an infection.
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And once we clear up the infection
or get rid of the stone and change
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the diet, it won't happen again.
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So Kipper went into a local er and they.
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Wanted to perform a urethrotemy on
Kipper after he was there for the day.
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And I wasn't at work that day, but
I was chit-chatting with Dixie here.
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And I was out on the town in
my much younger days having
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a drink and I got very angry.
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I was like, I'm not letting
them cut your cat's penis off.
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So I said, do I sound sober
enough to call the emergency room?
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And Dixie says.
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maybe, but just don't use the F word.
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So, so at which point I instructed
her to go and get her cat in any
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state that was in and bring it
to me first thing in the morning.
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And thankfully she listened to
me and I saw the cat and we were
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able to catheterize him a few
days and he lived the rest of his
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life not having to have a Romy.
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So, 'cause that's a big thing, that's like
a person getting like a colostomy bag.
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Imagine if you had constipation one
day and somebody said, well, we're
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gonna just give you a colostomy bag.
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No that's definitely not the answer.
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So, before you agree
to a surgery like that.
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May maybe ask an older vet.
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I don't know.
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It's just a thought.
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Us old folks, and I say I'm old,
but there's plenty of vets in their
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eighties that are still practicing.
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So I guess they think I'm a youngin still.
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But if you run it by an older vet and
they make a face, chances are you might
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wanna reconsider or get a second opinion.
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Dixie: And Kipper never had a problem.
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Charlotte: Exactly.
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Dixie: After that it was just a
one time thing and we put him on
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the special diet and that was it.
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We never had a another problem.
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Now I did watch 'em like a hawk.
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To make sure.
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Charlotte: Yep.
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Dixie: And so some of the signs
that I would like to say if you see
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first inappropriate elimination.
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Charlotte: Yep.
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Dixie: Okay.
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Don't go on Facebook, don't
go on social media and ask.
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Why is my cat peeing
outside the litter box?
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Go to a vet because it could be
a sign of something much worse.
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Charlotte: Exactly.
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It could be just a UTI or infection.
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It could be behavioral.
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But if your cat always uses a litter box
and it stops, something is usually wrong.
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And a lot of times if they urinate
in strange places to get your
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attention, something's wrong.
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Inappropriate.
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Elimination is.
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Probably more of a sign of issues
in cats than it is in dogs.
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Sometimes dogs like to
mark certain things.
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Of course, cats do too, but with cats
it's usually a sign that something
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hurts them or something's going wrong.
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Dixie: I'd also like to talk a
little bit about people who just
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do fostering for younger animals.
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So we're gonna talk about like
bottle kittens and bottle puppies.
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Of course, I'm more familiar
with the bottle kittens.
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'cause that's what I do.
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So I see something frequently with
people when they have the bottle kittens.
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The kittens might start to
dehydrate 'cause they're not
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giving them say, enough fluid.
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What is a good way for somebody to test
for that, to see if they're dehydrated?
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Charlotte: Well, you can check
what's called their skin tur
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or how wrinkled the skin is.
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If you pull up the skin, either, on
their side or at the scruff area or
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anywhere really, and you pick it up and
it tenses or it stays up in the pinch
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position for longer than a second.
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Then they're probably dehydrated,
sunken eyes around the eye sockets.
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You'll see that they're sunken in.
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And also of course really dark,
strong urine and not urinating
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enough as well as a, is a pretty
good sign of dehydration too.
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Weakness also.
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And another good thing since we brought
it up, not that it's related to, well, it
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could be related to bottle kittens too.
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A lot of times people
get kittens and puppies.
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They'll come in and they'll say, oh my
gosh, my kitten or my puppy is really
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weak, and it's just laying there.
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It's breathing.
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It's okay, but it's just laying there.
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Sometimes I've had, I've told people
before they do anything, as long
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as the animal was breathing and not
obstructed in any way, like choking
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on anything, I've told them to get
some plain karo syrup or pancake
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syrup and rub it on the animal's gums.
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A lot of times puppies and kittens
suffer from hypoglycemia or low
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blood sugar if they miss a feeding,
or let's say mom got distracted
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and didn't feed them and they went.
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A little bit too long without a feeding.
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Their blood sugar can drop
and they look horrible.
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They look like death, and then all of a
sudden they're up and running around again
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and it's because their blood sugar drops.
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So that's always
something to keep in mind.
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If you see a recumbent animal
that looks normal, otherwise, gums
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are pink, they're breathing okay.
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There's no bleeding anywhere.
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They're not painful, but they
just look listless sometimes
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a little bit of pancake syrup.
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Which is probably the safest thing
to give them so they don't choke.
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Rub it on the gums and it'll
be absorbed pretty quickly.
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Dixie: Yep.
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And that is something
that I have done plenty
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times and they usually pop
right back up after that.
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Charlotte: Yep.
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Like if you find abandoned kittens,
a lot of times if they're weak,
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that's the first thing you should do.
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Along with hydrating them is
get their blood sugar back up.
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Dixie: Another thing that I would
like to talk about too is parasites
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and the little babies like that.
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Because I've seen situations where
the parasites can really do a number.
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Charlotte: Oh, yes.
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Dixie: And I know like coccidia and
Giardia are two really big ones.
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So what are signs of that people
would need to look out for?
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Charlotte: Usually they look bad.
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They're they're on the thin side.
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They have watery diarrhea.
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Sometimes it's discolored and green,
sometimes there's a strange odor to it.
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And the one thing to remember about things
like that is, especially, let's say.
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You find a cat in either a hoarding
situation or a kitten in a hoarding
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or even a cat in a hoarding situation
or where they're in an unclean
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environment that has a lot of animal
feces around sometimes will get them.
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And those are the ones that are
prone to having things like that.
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It's easy to get stuck in places.
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I've seen some rescues that
don't have very good cleaning.
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protocol.
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And so what'll happen is they'll
have one kitten that comes in with
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giardia or coccidia and they'll
clean, but they don't clean enough.
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And then the next batch of
kittens that come in also gets it.
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And it just continues in to persist
because they haven't cleaned properly
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or they haven't done a, like a
proper quarantine to make sure that
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any new animals that come in aren't
having profuse watery diarrhea.
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Dixie: Yeah.
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That's why I always
quarantine all my kittens.
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Charlotte: Yep, yep.
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I see it all the time and people
are like, why do all my kittens
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come to come and get sick?
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Everyone, they all have diarrhea.
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No.
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You just need to clean a little
bit better and practice a
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00:23:47,402 --> 00:23:49,002
little bit different intake.
460
00:23:49,447 --> 00:23:52,747
And it doesn't mean that you have to
treat them like a, hospital patient,
461
00:23:52,747 --> 00:23:57,007
like things were, no, it just means you
need to keep them alone and keep the
462
00:23:57,007 --> 00:24:01,077
ones that have not been exposed to the
other ones away until, and then if you
463
00:24:01,077 --> 00:24:04,907
see diarrhea, you just keep 'em separate
and clean, it's not a hard thing, but
464
00:24:04,907 --> 00:24:08,537
it's an accumulation of all the little
things you do that make a successful
465
00:24:08,857 --> 00:24:11,407
like a shelter or rescue situation.
466
00:24:11,737 --> 00:24:17,137
I worked at a very fancy hospital in
another state at one point, and the kennel
467
00:24:17,137 --> 00:24:23,327
staff cleaned with a rag in a bucket in
detergent, or it was an antibacterial
468
00:24:23,327 --> 00:24:30,077
detergent, but still each cage was wash
washed with the same like rag and sponge.
469
00:24:30,842 --> 00:24:35,162
So I saw multiple cases of
diarrhea from boarding animals,
470
00:24:35,582 --> 00:24:36,812
and it didn't look unclean.
471
00:24:36,812 --> 00:24:41,162
It didn't smell unclean, but you're
transferring bacteria from cage to cage.
472
00:24:41,162 --> 00:24:46,032
So if one animal has something now
they all have it, so that's a big one.
473
00:24:46,272 --> 00:24:50,082
And then when you're talking about
parasites, like actual worms, coccidia
474
00:24:50,112 --> 00:24:56,022
and giardia are parasites, but they're
more akin to a bacteria than actual worms.
475
00:24:56,022 --> 00:25:00,342
You're not gonna see giardia, you're
not gonna see coccidia in the stool.
476
00:25:00,342 --> 00:25:01,812
That's something microscopic.
477
00:25:02,112 --> 00:25:05,832
But if you see things like round worms
that look like spaghetti, anything
478
00:25:05,832 --> 00:25:09,172
that looks like spaghetti that's
coming out the butt, or sometimes
479
00:25:09,172 --> 00:25:11,506
vomited is usually a roundworm.
480
00:25:12,131 --> 00:25:15,551
We usually don't, sometimes you can see
hookworms, but they're much smaller.
481
00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:19,571
They have a mouth part that allows
them to attach to the wall of
482
00:25:19,571 --> 00:25:21,101
the intestine and suck blood.
483
00:25:21,101 --> 00:25:25,031
Hookworms can actually be much more
dangerous than roundworms because they
484
00:25:25,031 --> 00:25:28,241
can make them anemic and, suck all
the nutrients and blood from them.
485
00:25:28,631 --> 00:25:31,361
Whereas the roundworms just sit
around and obstruct the bowel.
486
00:25:31,361 --> 00:25:35,951
Maybe they stop absorption of nutrients,
but it's not quite the same as hookworms.
487
00:25:36,996 --> 00:25:39,936
Those, both, all those
eggs come from the ground.
488
00:25:40,906 --> 00:25:43,666
That's why they tell kids that
are playing in the sandbox.
489
00:25:43,666 --> 00:25:46,406
Wash your hands, kids playing outside.
490
00:25:46,406 --> 00:25:47,216
Wash your hands.
491
00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:51,776
You can also get them, you can get
worms from walking around barefoot
492
00:25:51,776 --> 00:25:55,686
because there's a certain stage of
the larva that will migrate through
493
00:25:55,686 --> 00:26:00,426
the skin and then pick up residents
through the bloodstream into the GI.
494
00:26:00,831 --> 00:26:05,631
So that's how people very often in rural
areas end up getting worms as well.
495
00:26:06,261 --> 00:26:10,691
So, making sure your animals on a regular
deworming routine or that the monthly meds
496
00:26:10,691 --> 00:26:12,551
that they take cover, that is important.
497
00:26:13,091 --> 00:26:16,421
People get overly
concerned about tape worms.
498
00:26:17,231 --> 00:26:21,251
I see that a lot on emergency people
freaking out because tape worms,
499
00:26:21,251 --> 00:26:22,931
they look like little grains of rice.
500
00:26:23,621 --> 00:26:26,731
People have also described
them to look like inch worms.
501
00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:29,821
And sometimes they can be a
little long, but usually they
502
00:26:29,821 --> 00:26:33,751
look like long grain rice, and
those do not come from the ground.
503
00:26:33,751 --> 00:26:35,551
They come from swallowing a flea.
504
00:26:36,046 --> 00:26:40,026
And an animal doesn't have to be
infested to have to have tape worms.
505
00:26:40,326 --> 00:26:41,586
All it takes is one flea.
506
00:26:41,586 --> 00:26:44,436
They can swallow, one flea while
they're licking themselves and.
507
00:26:45,501 --> 00:26:46,791
They've got tape worms.
508
00:26:47,181 --> 00:26:50,211
So one problem I have with that is
people will come in and they want me
509
00:26:50,211 --> 00:26:53,331
to treat the tape worms because they
see them coming out the butt or stuck
510
00:26:53,331 --> 00:26:56,421
to the fur and they're freaked out
by it and they think they can get it.
511
00:26:56,451 --> 00:26:59,581
And I have to tell the owners,
no, you cannot get tape worms
512
00:26:59,581 --> 00:27:00,811
unless you swallow a flea.
513
00:27:00,811 --> 00:27:01,981
You have to swallow a flea.
514
00:27:01,981 --> 00:27:04,561
So unless you're swallowing
fleas, you're gonna be okay.
515
00:27:04,561 --> 00:27:07,861
Yes, it's gross, but we can take
care of it and they'll want.
516
00:27:08,116 --> 00:27:11,866
Their animal to be treated for tape worms,
but then they don't get flea prevention.
517
00:27:11,866 --> 00:27:13,996
So they come back in a few weeks
and they're like, I thought
518
00:27:13,996 --> 00:27:15,526
you treated the tape worms doc.
519
00:27:15,526 --> 00:27:16,306
And I say, well.
520
00:27:16,756 --> 00:27:18,466
Your animals swallowed another flea.
521
00:27:18,706 --> 00:27:22,156
And even though they're on prevention,
sometimes they still swallow a flea.
522
00:27:22,156 --> 00:27:24,436
So it's just one of those
things you have to look out for.
523
00:27:24,796 --> 00:27:27,946
A lot of times tapeworms
don't usually cause problems.
524
00:27:27,946 --> 00:27:31,786
They just hang out and look gross,
but they can cause soft stool and
525
00:27:31,786 --> 00:27:33,636
they can cause their butts to itch.
526
00:27:33,996 --> 00:27:37,781
So if you see them rubbing their butts,
chances are it could be tapeworms or it
527
00:27:37,781 --> 00:27:39,516
could be their anal glands, which are.
528
00:27:39,921 --> 00:27:43,521
Two little glands at the opening of
the anus that have a lubricant in them.
529
00:27:43,861 --> 00:27:48,681
It's a remnant from wild animals that
when they eat bones and fur, not that
530
00:27:48,681 --> 00:27:52,551
our current domestic animals could
tolerate a diet of bones and fur.
531
00:27:52,931 --> 00:27:58,031
They still have those vestigial type
organs there and it's supposed to
532
00:27:58,031 --> 00:28:00,341
lubricate the feces on its way out.
533
00:28:01,331 --> 00:28:04,061
Our animals now do not have
bulky stools like that.
534
00:28:04,061 --> 00:28:06,611
So some of them have problems with
their anal glands and they need
535
00:28:06,611 --> 00:28:10,921
to come in to see me and I have to
express them, or, basically push on
536
00:28:10,921 --> 00:28:13,141
them so that they can evacuate those.
537
00:28:13,141 --> 00:28:17,111
And that will help with but itching, so
538
00:28:17,111 --> 00:28:21,941
Dixie: since you mentioned fleas of
course I always recommend people to
539
00:28:21,941 --> 00:28:24,701
go for flea prevention, the topicals.
540
00:28:24,756 --> 00:28:26,906
And the oral medication to go to a vet.
541
00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:29,674
You don't wanna go to the grocery
store to go get those things.
542
00:28:29,674 --> 00:28:29,914
Exactly.
543
00:28:30,274 --> 00:28:34,144
Charlotte: There is a particular brand
which starts with an H and ends with
544
00:28:34,144 --> 00:28:41,104
a Z that is sold commonly in stores
that I see repeated Intoxications
545
00:28:41,104 --> 00:28:42,994
with that topical medication.
546
00:28:43,444 --> 00:28:44,914
Specifically for cats.
547
00:28:44,944 --> 00:28:48,964
Also, you never want to use dog
flea prevention on cat and cat flea
548
00:28:48,964 --> 00:28:53,284
prevention on dog stay within the
species guidelines on the box, and
549
00:28:53,284 --> 00:28:55,174
also read how to administer it.
550
00:28:55,504 --> 00:28:59,164
I've seen some people administer
topical meds or meds that are put on
551
00:28:59,164 --> 00:29:01,654
the skin or applied to the skin orally.
552
00:29:02,179 --> 00:29:03,979
And I've seen some things.
553
00:29:03,979 --> 00:29:07,939
I've also seen somebody give a
suppository for the butt orally and
554
00:29:07,939 --> 00:29:11,029
wondered why there was a problem or
why the animal wasn't getting better.
555
00:29:11,329 --> 00:29:15,619
So always read your instructions and
if you have any doubts about where the
556
00:29:15,619 --> 00:29:17,419
medication goes and how to give it.
557
00:29:17,809 --> 00:29:22,339
Ask the vet, they will be more than happy
to answer any question that you have.
558
00:29:22,379 --> 00:29:24,809
So don't ever fear that
you're gonna look silly.
559
00:29:25,109 --> 00:29:28,439
We would much rather answer the
question than try to figure out
560
00:29:28,439 --> 00:29:30,629
the mystery of what happened later.
561
00:29:31,049 --> 00:29:35,524
But yeah you wanna ask the vet and
if you don't necessarily want to
562
00:29:35,554 --> 00:29:37,054
make an appointment to see a vet.
563
00:29:38,479 --> 00:29:41,479
You can at least establish
a relationship with one.
564
00:29:41,509 --> 00:29:45,619
My clients, even if they aren't coming
in to see me, I get a lot of questions
565
00:29:45,619 --> 00:29:49,659
or they want prescriptions filled for
flea prevention and I have no problem
566
00:29:49,659 --> 00:29:52,629
doing that as long as I have some
sort of established relationship with
567
00:29:52,629 --> 00:29:56,339
them and some sort of knowing that
they're gonna use the product correctly
568
00:29:56,729 --> 00:29:58,319
and I can keep it in their records.
569
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:01,379
So I know if something comes
up or they have a problem, I
570
00:30:01,379 --> 00:30:02,699
can see what they've taken.
571
00:30:03,939 --> 00:30:07,839
Dixie: So another thing that I
would like to ask you about, this
572
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:12,089
is something that people freak out
about all the time is ringworm,
573
00:30:13,049 --> 00:30:13,349
Charlotte: oh
574
00:30:13,349 --> 00:30:13,859
lord.
575
00:30:15,899 --> 00:30:19,589
Ringworm is the hot topic,
especially when it comes to rescue.
576
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:24,659
People see missing fur that looks
like it could be in a round like
577
00:30:24,659 --> 00:30:29,789
shape on an animal, and they
completely lose their minds and.
578
00:30:30,224 --> 00:30:35,084
The first issue being that it's a zoonotic
disease, and that's a fancy word for
579
00:30:35,084 --> 00:30:39,674
saying humans can get it and species
can transfer it from one to another.
580
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:44,259
So, that's part of the reason
why people freak out, but
581
00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:45,789
also the name freaks them out.
582
00:30:45,789 --> 00:30:49,839
Ringworm is not actually
a worm, it is a fungus.
583
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:54,629
It is the same thing as athlete's
foot or jock itch that humans get.
584
00:30:54,659 --> 00:30:56,609
It is nothing dangerous.
585
00:30:56,609 --> 00:30:59,449
But the problem is
that, it is contagious.
586
00:30:59,449 --> 00:31:02,509
If you go walking around on
dirty gym floors, you're probably
587
00:31:02,509 --> 00:31:03,799
gonna get athletes' foot.
588
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:10,159
Kittens that have ringworm, chances are
all of the kittens that were exposed and
589
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,789
sometimes the people who handled them
will come up with a few ringworm spots.
590
00:31:14,299 --> 00:31:16,729
It is not anything to panic over.
591
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:20,359
You go to the drugstore, you
get some antifungal cream.
592
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:23,369
The same stuff you would use
on Athletes' Foot or Jock itch.
593
00:31:24,229 --> 00:31:28,564
You apply it to the lesions about
twice a day for a week or so, sometimes
594
00:31:28,564 --> 00:31:30,064
a little longer, and they go away.
595
00:31:30,454 --> 00:31:33,514
If you have an immunocompromised
person in the family or around, then
596
00:31:33,514 --> 00:31:34,864
that might be a little bit different.
597
00:31:35,194 --> 00:31:38,764
But basically that's how you
handle it without freaking out.
598
00:31:39,614 --> 00:31:40,484
, I see it all the time.
599
00:31:40,484 --> 00:31:44,564
One time I had to do a bunch of
exams for some rescue animals that
600
00:31:44,564 --> 00:31:45,974
were going to a different state.
601
00:31:46,619 --> 00:31:51,029
And I got a callback from one of
the rescue people screaming at me
602
00:31:51,389 --> 00:31:55,469
telling me, you let a puppy with
ringworm go to another state.
603
00:31:55,469 --> 00:31:56,399
And I'm like whoa.
604
00:31:56,849 --> 00:32:02,969
First of all, by the time we would have
taken a sample of the missing fur on
605
00:32:02,969 --> 00:32:08,009
the spot on the dog in question and
actually put it in a medium to grow out.
606
00:32:08,489 --> 00:32:12,479
It would've been several days
before we would have a positive.
607
00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:15,854
Like we would have an answer to
whether or not it was ringworm or not.
608
00:32:16,439 --> 00:32:21,239
So if you don't know, a little fungal
antifungal cream will not hurt.
609
00:32:21,239 --> 00:32:25,259
And as I had told them before, it
did not turn out to be ringworm.
610
00:32:25,259 --> 00:32:29,219
It was a scab that had fallen off
and it was in a round shape and the
611
00:32:29,219 --> 00:32:31,619
hair had to grow back on the animal.
612
00:32:31,619 --> 00:32:36,779
So a lot of times things that people
think are ringworm are not actually that
613
00:32:36,779 --> 00:32:38,699
just because they're round and hairless.
614
00:32:38,939 --> 00:32:42,989
You can look up pictures on Google
and see what ringworm looks like.
615
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,289
But just remember that some of
those pictures are not accurate.
616
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,979
And also some of them are
like worst case scenarios.
617
00:32:49,979 --> 00:32:53,669
It's like if you look up a disease
online, you're going to see someone
618
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:57,429
in a third world country that has
such an advanced state of disease
619
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:59,589
that we may not even recognize.
620
00:32:59,984 --> 00:33:01,994
What it is because it's so far gone.
621
00:33:02,324 --> 00:33:03,794
So, just be aware of that.
622
00:33:03,794 --> 00:33:06,074
When you look things up on the
internet, usually it's the worst
623
00:33:06,074 --> 00:33:07,574
case scenario that you'll see.
624
00:33:07,844 --> 00:33:11,204
And what you have in real life is
something that's barely questionable.
625
00:33:11,504 --> 00:33:13,274
And if you bring your animal to the vet.
626
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:17,919
If you want an answer of yes or no, this
is definitely ringworm or not, it's gonna
627
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:23,269
take days to grow out on a culture plate
before we know if it's actually ringworm.
628
00:33:23,539 --> 00:33:26,239
We can even look at it with a
black light and sometimes that will
629
00:33:26,239 --> 00:33:28,009
help identify it, but not always.
630
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:33,349
So when in doubt, just go get
you some miconazole cream at the
631
00:33:33,349 --> 00:33:35,209
drugstore and you'll be good.
632
00:33:36,309 --> 00:33:40,779
Dixie: Another topic that I'd like
to touch on are gonna be three of the
633
00:33:40,809 --> 00:33:44,339
feline diseases that people see a lot of.
634
00:33:44,362 --> 00:33:46,612
So one of 'em is gonna be FIP.
635
00:33:46,732 --> 00:33:51,282
Which there, last year it seems
like there was a huge FIP outbreak.
636
00:33:51,282 --> 00:33:53,672
And then of course the feline leukemia.
637
00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:54,587
And FIV.
638
00:33:54,637 --> 00:33:58,917
Charlotte: Feline leukemia and FIV
are more like long-term illnesses.
639
00:33:59,187 --> 00:34:02,097
FIV is almost like a person that has HIV.
640
00:34:02,357 --> 00:34:03,767
It's not a death sentence.
641
00:34:03,827 --> 00:34:09,286
It just means we need to watch them
for passing on the disease or also
642
00:34:09,357 --> 00:34:12,507
having problems with their immune
system and catching other things.
643
00:34:13,302 --> 00:34:17,371
So that's a big part of that is,
is not the actual disease, but the
644
00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:19,581
things that, that go along with them.
645
00:34:19,581 --> 00:34:20,512
That's the problem.
646
00:34:20,962 --> 00:34:24,411
I see a lot of people that have maybe
one cat and they'll see that it tested
647
00:34:24,411 --> 00:34:27,982
positive for FIV or feline leukemia
and they wanna put it to sleep, or
648
00:34:27,982 --> 00:34:29,542
the vet suggests putting it to sleep.
649
00:34:30,022 --> 00:34:31,132
There's no need for that.
650
00:34:31,132 --> 00:34:35,712
Keep your cat inside and keep your
one cat or adopt another cat that's
651
00:34:35,712 --> 00:34:38,292
positive and they'll be okay.
652
00:34:38,402 --> 00:34:42,212
So, there's that FIP is
a little bit different.
653
00:34:42,322 --> 00:34:47,141
There's still a lot that's not completely
understood about FIP and it is.
654
00:34:47,222 --> 00:34:49,772
Very much a diagnosis of exclusion.
655
00:34:50,081 --> 00:34:54,661
We have to rule out a bunch of
other things to realize that it's
656
00:34:54,661 --> 00:34:58,112
FIP and it's one of those things
as you get to be older as a vet,
657
00:34:58,142 --> 00:35:00,032
you can pick them out as they come.
658
00:35:00,392 --> 00:35:05,342
But it's often a disease of excluding
other things like feline leukemia,
659
00:35:05,342 --> 00:35:07,352
FIV, and other immune diseases.
660
00:35:09,707 --> 00:35:13,067
Dixie: Now back to the
feline leukemia and FIV.
661
00:35:13,127 --> 00:35:17,837
Can you tell us how feline leukemia is
662
00:35:18,827 --> 00:35:19,517
transferred
663
00:35:19,517 --> 00:35:23,047
Charlotte: Well, basically blood
and saliva, and those are two
664
00:35:23,047 --> 00:35:27,017
things with cats especially if
they're un neutered or unspayed.
665
00:35:27,932 --> 00:35:28,742
They're mating.
666
00:35:29,012 --> 00:35:32,012
There's lots of biting going
on, they're scratching.
667
00:35:32,092 --> 00:35:36,922
And exchange of saliva and blood
in any kind of way is just,
668
00:35:37,532 --> 00:35:38,882
that's the way to pass it on.
669
00:35:38,882 --> 00:35:42,962
So, that's basically how
they contract these diseases.
670
00:35:44,112 --> 00:35:46,872
Dixie: When it comes
to the feline leukemia.
671
00:35:47,592 --> 00:35:52,272
I've always heard that one's a little bit
easier to catch so that if you have a cat
672
00:35:52,272 --> 00:35:56,652
that has feline leukemia, you do not wanna
bring another cat into the household.
673
00:35:56,652 --> 00:35:57,372
Charlotte: Exactly.
674
00:35:57,552 --> 00:35:58,932
Dixie: Now with the feline aids?
675
00:35:58,967 --> 00:35:59,447
Or FIV.
676
00:35:59,447 --> 00:35:59,727
Charlotte: Yeah.
677
00:35:59,777 --> 00:36:05,177
Dixie: That one I have heard it's more
difficult for a cat to catch that because
678
00:36:05,177 --> 00:36:07,397
you actually have to have a bite for that.
679
00:36:07,397 --> 00:36:07,997
Charlotte: Exactly.
680
00:36:08,052 --> 00:36:08,472
Dixie: So.
681
00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,797
There's a little bit of controversy
with that because you hear some
682
00:36:11,797 --> 00:36:17,077
people will say, oh, well no, an FIV
cat cannot live with a another cat.
683
00:36:17,107 --> 00:36:20,227
But then you have other people that
are like, no, as long as you have cats
684
00:36:20,227 --> 00:36:23,227
that don't fight and they're not biting
each other, then they're fine together.
685
00:36:23,227 --> 00:36:24,367
So what are your thoughts on that?
686
00:36:24,687 --> 00:36:28,467
Charlotte: I tend to agree as long as you
know what kind of risk you're assuming
687
00:36:28,917 --> 00:36:33,027
and you understand how the disease is
transmitted I'm of the thought that.
688
00:36:33,557 --> 00:36:37,397
If the cat's going to lose its home or
this cat would be otherwise put to sleep
689
00:36:37,397 --> 00:36:41,387
or put in a shelter, it would be better
off given a chance to get along with
690
00:36:41,387 --> 00:36:47,267
another cat in an inside environment to
be given a chance at a good home versus
691
00:36:47,367 --> 00:36:51,987
ending up at a shelter or ending up
being put down as long as they get along,
692
00:36:53,094 --> 00:36:55,224
There are vets that would
disagree with me on that.
693
00:36:55,559 --> 00:37:01,529
But especially here, we have so many
unwanted animals and so many animals
694
00:37:01,529 --> 00:37:06,739
that die in the shelters in Louisiana
that I feel like anything we can do
695
00:37:06,799 --> 00:37:10,439
to stop that, at least to try is good.
696
00:37:11,954 --> 00:37:15,194
Dixie: Another topic that I would
like to touch on a little bit too is
697
00:37:15,224 --> 00:37:22,124
if you are open to any alternative,
holistic, or say new age concepts
698
00:37:22,124 --> 00:37:23,714
when it comes to treating animals?
699
00:37:23,774 --> 00:37:24,674
Charlotte: Absolutely.
700
00:37:24,674 --> 00:37:29,744
I say the best medicine that we can
provide would be western medicine and
701
00:37:29,744 --> 00:37:32,474
eastern medicine or alternative medicines.
702
00:37:32,474 --> 00:37:35,144
If we could actually, if the
communities could get along.
703
00:37:35,699 --> 00:37:39,389
We could definitely do some wonderful
things for people and for animals.
704
00:37:39,389 --> 00:37:44,849
It's a shame though that people tend
to be extremists and either, okay,
705
00:37:44,849 --> 00:37:51,059
I want it textbook, I want drugs, I
want surgery, I want Western style.
706
00:37:51,419 --> 00:37:53,759
Or we have people that
are completely holistic.
707
00:37:53,789 --> 00:37:55,619
They won't give antibiotics.
708
00:37:55,669 --> 00:37:58,639
They do everything to avoid
surgeries and things like that.
709
00:37:59,299 --> 00:38:01,819
Sometimes things just need antibiotics.
710
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:04,819
Sometimes they're not gonna
get better without surgery.
711
00:38:05,149 --> 00:38:08,569
But there are so many other
things, so many other modalities.
712
00:38:08,649 --> 00:38:14,049
Cold laser ultrasound, there are
herbal medications that are very good.
713
00:38:14,049 --> 00:38:18,369
Now you have to be careful 'cause people
think just because it's herbal, it's safe.
714
00:38:18,429 --> 00:38:22,989
No the way we've derived antibiotics
and every other drug that's manufactured
715
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:26,949
is originally from nature, from plants
and compounds that already exist.
716
00:38:27,219 --> 00:38:31,329
So a drug is a drug, whether it's a
plant or it's been rendered in a lab
717
00:38:31,329 --> 00:38:33,889
to mimic the same makeup as a plant.
718
00:38:34,549 --> 00:38:37,999
It's all drugs and it's all
going in your body, whether it's
719
00:38:38,059 --> 00:38:39,769
from the ground or from a lab.
720
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:43,579
So you have to be careful,
especially with human supplements.
721
00:38:43,579 --> 00:38:46,399
People will take all kinds of
things and not tell their doctors,
722
00:38:46,399 --> 00:38:49,929
and then bad things will happen if
their doctors give them medicine.
723
00:38:49,929 --> 00:38:51,949
So, like a prescription medicine.
724
00:38:52,029 --> 00:38:53,859
and they're taking certain herbal things.
725
00:38:53,859 --> 00:38:58,359
But I think if the two communities
work together, we would really
726
00:38:58,389 --> 00:38:59,889
benefit from each other.
727
00:38:59,969 --> 00:39:06,179
I've met some holistic vets that are anti
parasite drugs and things like heartworms.
728
00:39:06,609 --> 00:39:10,819
Here in the south we get heartworms
are carried by mosquitoes and if
729
00:39:10,819 --> 00:39:14,929
your animal is not on heartworm
prevention here, more so with dogs
730
00:39:14,929 --> 00:39:16,879
than cats, but cats can get heartworms.
731
00:39:17,209 --> 00:39:20,509
If they're off prevention, they're
probably going to contract heartworm
732
00:39:20,509 --> 00:39:22,069
because we have so many mosquitoes.
733
00:39:22,954 --> 00:39:26,254
In the Mississippi Delta
area that it's ridiculous.
734
00:39:26,594 --> 00:39:32,744
So, you have to do that, and the amount
of drug that it takes every month to keep
735
00:39:32,744 --> 00:39:39,154
away heartworms or an injection that lasts
for a few months is so minuscule and tiny
736
00:39:39,154 --> 00:39:44,074
and really has no lasting ill effects
to the liver or the kidneys or anything.
737
00:39:44,504 --> 00:39:46,154
It's necessary to do that.
738
00:39:46,154 --> 00:39:47,864
So I disagree with some holistic
739
00:39:47,984 --> 00:39:50,864
medical people that don't
believe in doing that.
740
00:39:51,104 --> 00:39:55,424
And also you need to use antibiotics when
antibiotics are warranted because nobody
741
00:39:55,424 --> 00:39:59,844
wants to get septic, certainly if you have
a minor infection, you can try things.
742
00:40:00,294 --> 00:40:03,864
One of, one of the things that I see
humans mess up all the time is, well,
743
00:40:03,864 --> 00:40:07,614
I'm not gonna get antibiotics for this
UTI, I'm gonna drink cranberry juice.
744
00:40:08,214 --> 00:40:09,144
While that's great.
745
00:40:09,144 --> 00:40:15,774
And cranberries, actually can help as a
natural way to rid yourself of bacteria.
746
00:40:16,014 --> 00:40:22,374
You would have to have like several pounds
of dried concentrate cranberry to eat
747
00:40:22,374 --> 00:40:26,914
in capsules at a much higher dose than
drinking a few glasses of cranberry juice.
748
00:40:27,154 --> 00:40:29,644
Sure, it'll help flush out, but
it's certainly not gonna fix
749
00:40:29,644 --> 00:40:31,474
something the way antibiotics would.
750
00:40:32,479 --> 00:40:36,249
Dixie: To touch on that a little bit
. How would you feel about some of the
751
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:41,929
supplements that they have out that
would be for assisting with the cats
752
00:40:41,929 --> 00:40:43,999
that do have the urinary tract problems?
753
00:40:44,029 --> 00:40:45,049
Charlotte: I think it's great.
754
00:40:45,049 --> 00:40:48,349
I think there is certainly
nothing wrong with giving some
755
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:49,879
of the cranberry supplements.
756
00:40:50,339 --> 00:40:55,894
That are veterinary tested and approved
for having efficacy and safety.
757
00:40:55,894 --> 00:41:01,044
Because sometimes if you get
products online or in, in pet stores,
758
00:41:01,044 --> 00:41:02,034
you don't know what's in there.
759
00:41:02,034 --> 00:41:06,654
I've seen actually some supplements
in pet stores that are like 0.0,
760
00:41:06,654 --> 00:41:09,444
zero, zero 1% of active ingredient.
761
00:41:09,444 --> 00:41:11,694
It's like, well, you might as well
just give them water 'cause that's
762
00:41:11,694 --> 00:41:15,474
not gonna help, so make sure you get
a brand that is veterinary approved.
763
00:41:15,869 --> 00:41:17,439
Also fish oil.
764
00:41:17,499 --> 00:41:19,989
Fish oil is a great thing for all animals.
765
00:41:19,989 --> 00:41:25,759
Even for us, I'm a big user of fish
oil like salmon and krill oil and
766
00:41:25,759 --> 00:41:27,644
like your Omega-3 and six fatty acids.
767
00:41:28,774 --> 00:41:33,244
For all the itchy dogs that don't
have fleas or other skin problems, or
768
00:41:33,244 --> 00:41:36,754
even if they do, it really does help
change the quality of their skin.
769
00:41:36,754 --> 00:41:40,084
We can put moisturizer on and
help ourselves, but there's very
770
00:41:40,084 --> 00:41:43,204
little topically you can do for
a cat or dog to help their skin.
771
00:41:43,534 --> 00:41:46,684
But if you give them good nutrients
internally and you give things like
772
00:41:46,684 --> 00:41:50,554
fish oil, that can absolutely help
the way their coat looks, the way they
773
00:41:50,554 --> 00:41:53,294
feel all their organs and everything.
774
00:41:54,164 --> 00:41:54,434
Dixie: Yep.
775
00:41:54,434 --> 00:41:55,484
I do the fish oil.
776
00:41:55,534 --> 00:41:59,194
And it's remarkable to see the
difference on the hair when
777
00:41:59,194 --> 00:42:00,394
you start 'em, on the fish oil.
778
00:42:00,394 --> 00:42:00,484
Charlotte: Yep.
779
00:42:00,634 --> 00:42:04,614
You can sometimes see pets, especially
short coated dogs and cats too.
780
00:42:05,004 --> 00:42:09,114
You'll see flakes dry skin and
all of that will go away a lot
781
00:42:09,114 --> 00:42:10,644
of times just with some fish oil.
782
00:42:11,574 --> 00:42:16,194
and let me remind that goes on the
food internally because I once had
783
00:42:16,194 --> 00:42:17,724
a lady come to me and tell me, well.
784
00:42:18,594 --> 00:42:22,944
I've been slathering the fish oil all
over my dog every day for the month, and
785
00:42:22,944 --> 00:42:27,204
I just can't stand the way he smells,
especially when he lays in the sun.
786
00:42:27,654 --> 00:42:32,364
And then I see the dog and I'm like,
oh my gosh, this poor lady, she's
787
00:42:32,364 --> 00:42:36,414
been slathering fish oil on the
dog and letting it bake outside.
788
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:37,799
Wow.
789
00:42:37,979 --> 00:42:39,839
That will take your breath away for sure.
790
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:40,439
Dixie: Yeah,
791
00:42:40,449 --> 00:42:41,559
I can imagine.
792
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:41,739
'cause
793
00:42:41,739 --> 00:42:44,139
It's nasty smelling when
you get it on your fingers.
794
00:42:44,139 --> 00:42:44,259
Charlotte: Oh, yes.
795
00:42:44,259 --> 00:42:45,399
Dixie: When you're trying
to put it on the food.
796
00:42:45,399 --> 00:42:45,819
Charlotte: Oh, yes.
797
00:42:45,819 --> 00:42:48,689
And this lady , I have to
admire her commitment because
798
00:42:48,689 --> 00:42:49,919
she really did love her dog.
799
00:42:49,919 --> 00:42:51,059
And I couldn't laugh at her.
800
00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:52,199
I just said, no ma'am.
801
00:42:52,379 --> 00:42:53,579
And she's like, I'm so sorry.
802
00:42:53,579 --> 00:42:55,409
I can't believe I didn't think about that.
803
00:42:55,649 --> 00:42:59,339
I just saw it was an oil in a capsule
and I assumed I was supposed to squeeze
804
00:42:59,339 --> 00:43:01,449
it out, like, face stuff for women.
805
00:43:01,449 --> 00:43:02,439
And I'm like no.
806
00:43:02,764 --> 00:43:05,344
No, it was for the skin, but you
were supposed to put it in the food.
807
00:43:05,344 --> 00:43:09,844
So, but you know what, I always tell
people, I'd rather you ask or come
808
00:43:09,844 --> 00:43:11,284
in when you think something's wrong.
809
00:43:11,284 --> 00:43:12,544
I'm not gonna make fun of you.
810
00:43:12,874 --> 00:43:15,274
I'm gonna, I'm gonna make
sure you get it right.
811
00:43:16,994 --> 00:43:20,654
Dixie: Considering the human animal
bond, do you feel that incorporating
812
00:43:20,654 --> 00:43:24,759
emotional and energetic wellbeing
into treatment plans is beneficial?
813
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:25,919
Charlotte: Absolutely.
814
00:43:26,469 --> 00:43:29,499
Our animals pick up on our energy a lot.
815
00:43:30,129 --> 00:43:31,869
There's some spooky things that happen.
816
00:43:31,869 --> 00:43:32,949
Oh, I wouldn't call 'em spooky.
817
00:43:32,949 --> 00:43:35,049
I think we just don't understand it yet.
818
00:43:35,449 --> 00:43:39,589
Very often I see animals and people with
the same diseases, and I'm not talking
819
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:41,059
ones that they caught from each other.
820
00:43:41,299 --> 00:43:44,909
Things like thyroid disease diabetes like.
821
00:43:45,524 --> 00:43:50,084
Insulin dependent diabetics glaucoma
and it's not a case of like, oh, well
822
00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:52,124
they're both intoxicated with something.
823
00:43:52,514 --> 00:43:54,554
It really is truly an energetic thing.
824
00:43:54,554 --> 00:43:57,794
And you can almost, if you're sensitive
to that kind of stuff, you can almost,
825
00:43:57,844 --> 00:44:01,784
tell, especially in animals that
are closely bonded with the human
826
00:44:01,784 --> 00:44:03,824
that has these issues as well.
827
00:44:04,164 --> 00:44:07,554
I think there's a whole lot of
energetic exchange with our animals,
828
00:44:07,554 --> 00:44:12,444
so I think there's a lot we can do
with them, for them in that sense.
829
00:44:12,754 --> 00:44:16,944
I'm not educated on a whole lot of those
things, but things like reiki and a
830
00:44:16,944 --> 00:44:19,314
massage, acupuncture, stuff like that.
831
00:44:19,314 --> 00:44:20,724
All that's really good.
832
00:44:20,874 --> 00:44:21,504
I said that wrong.
833
00:44:21,504 --> 00:44:22,344
It's Reiki, isn't it?
834
00:44:22,404 --> 00:44:23,169
Dixie: It's Reiki, yeah.
835
00:44:23,274 --> 00:44:24,624
It was close enough so it works.
836
00:44:24,804 --> 00:44:25,254
There we go.
837
00:44:25,284 --> 00:44:26,304
Charlotte: It works exactly that.
838
00:44:26,304 --> 00:44:27,804
That's how much I know about Reiki.
839
00:44:27,804 --> 00:44:30,474
Although I'm planning to
learn one of these days.
840
00:44:31,854 --> 00:44:34,489
I've seen wonders of that used with.
841
00:44:34,899 --> 00:44:37,839
Little weenie dogs or
dachshunds that have back pain.
842
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:42,619
I've seen that in particular, along with
acupuncture make a difference for them.
843
00:44:42,739 --> 00:44:44,539
So, yeah.
844
00:44:44,539 --> 00:44:44,869
Dixie: Well,
845
00:44:44,869 --> 00:44:48,889
I'm a reiki master and then I can
say I have seen Reiki work, so.
846
00:44:48,919 --> 00:44:49,699
Charlotte: Exactly.
847
00:44:49,699 --> 00:44:50,449
Exactly.
848
00:44:51,139 --> 00:44:54,979
Dixie: So before we end this episode, is
there anything else you would like to add?
849
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:57,359
Charlotte: When you're
looking for a veterinarian.
850
00:44:57,674 --> 00:45:01,784
You want one that wants to
establish a relationship with you,
851
00:45:02,114 --> 00:45:05,414
one, that when you come in, they
know you, they know your animal.
852
00:45:05,414 --> 00:45:08,774
They know as soon as they look at your
animal, they know something's wrong.
853
00:45:09,314 --> 00:45:12,884
And you wanna try to keep the same
veterinarian from puppy and kitten hood
854
00:45:12,884 --> 00:45:14,474
all the way through the animal's life.
855
00:45:14,954 --> 00:45:18,424
If and when it comes time at the end of
their life and you have to talk about
856
00:45:18,424 --> 00:45:23,644
euthanasia, it's a lot better when you
have a relationship with that vet because.
857
00:45:24,949 --> 00:45:27,679
They're gonna act in the best
interest of the animal too.
858
00:45:27,919 --> 00:45:32,539
And also to remember, if you have a
problem with your veterinarian, 99.9%
859
00:45:32,539 --> 00:45:35,689
of the time your veterinarian is
thinking of your animal first,
860
00:45:35,689 --> 00:45:37,219
or the animal's best interest.
861
00:45:37,579 --> 00:45:40,759
And sometimes people don't
always understand that.
862
00:45:40,759 --> 00:45:44,849
So if you have a problem with your vet or
you have something you don't understand,
863
00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:47,759
go to them and talk it out face to face.
864
00:45:47,819 --> 00:45:51,649
And tell them how you feel from the
heart and just, never underestimate
865
00:45:51,649 --> 00:45:56,119
the power of just a good conversation
and and a good relationship nowadays.
866
00:45:56,179 --> 00:45:59,629
There's a lot of huge veterinary clinics
and there's nothing wrong with that.
867
00:45:59,629 --> 00:46:04,069
They're wonderful places, but sometimes
you don't always see the same doctor.
868
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:06,739
But if you're in a big place,
request the doctor that you
869
00:46:06,739 --> 00:46:08,269
like, find one that you like.
870
00:46:08,929 --> 00:46:12,699
Stick with that one each time . And
I think you'll have a much easier
871
00:46:12,699 --> 00:46:15,019
experience and your pet will too.
872
00:46:16,379 --> 00:46:17,969
Dixie: Well, thank you so much Dr.
873
00:46:17,969 --> 00:46:18,399
Charlotte.
874
00:46:18,419 --> 00:46:19,049
Charlotte: Absolutely.
875
00:46:19,049 --> 00:46:19,139
I
876
00:46:19,139 --> 00:46:20,429
was glad I could be here today.
877
00:46:21,459 --> 00:46:24,339
.
Dixie: And that's all the time we have for today's episode.
878
00:46:24,446 --> 00:46:28,456
If you are in animal rescue, or if
you know someone that has a story that
879
00:46:28,456 --> 00:46:30,636
should be told, please contact us.
880
00:46:30,706 --> 00:46:33,526
We would love to have
you or them on the show
881
00:46:33,756 --> 00:46:37,326
. Thanks for listening, and please
join us next week as we continue to
882
00:46:37,326 --> 00:46:39,626
explore the world of animal rescue.
