3 Questions to Clarify Your Financial Mindset
Quote for the episode: "So money in itself, we have to remember, is not the actual goal. Doing what makes life most enjoyable to us is the actual goal."
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Welcome to the Enjoy More 30s: Family Finance
Voiceover Audio:podcast, the only podcast dedicated to making life more
Voiceover Audio:enjoyable for young families by hitting on the financial topics
Voiceover Audio:that tend to weigh on us, stress us out and distract our focus
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Joseph Okaly:Hi and welcome to the Enjoy More 30s: Family
Joseph Okaly:Finance podcast. I'm really excited to have you here on the
Joseph Okaly:very first episode, "Unknowns Are Scary", where we're going to
Joseph Okaly:go over some things that you really should be knowing about
Joseph Okaly:unknowns when it comes to personal finance, and then some
Joseph Okaly:items to help you deal with those- what you can do about it.
Joseph Okaly:So this is the first episode and the first series, which is "Your
Joseph Okaly:Money Mindset", where we're going to be going over some
Joseph Okaly:basic mindset kind of setting items when it comes to personal
Joseph Okaly:finance topics, to get us ready to go more in depth into some of
Joseph Okaly:those items in later series.
Joseph Okaly:Why we have this podcast for you today is because, in my opinion,
Joseph Okaly:young families have a very difficult time getting proper
Joseph Okaly:advice in the environment that we've set up. So when you think
Joseph Okaly:about what you may have learned in school, I'm sure everybody
Joseph Okaly:here learned about Shakespeare or algebra, but very few people
Joseph Okaly:learn significant items when it comes to dealing with personal
Joseph Okaly:finance. And really everybody after school, we all have jobs,
Joseph Okaly:everybody after school, we all have families or a lot of us
Joseph Okaly:have families. And there are finance specific items when it
Joseph Okaly:comes to that, that we really need to be able to know about if
Joseph Okaly:we're going to do a great job for ourselves and the ones that
Joseph Okaly:we care about.
Joseph Okaly:Furthermore, from a professional advice standpoint, there really
Joseph Okaly:isn't a lot of that out there when it comes to helping young
Joseph Okaly:families specifically. And the reason for that is, in my
Joseph Okaly:industry, they tend to chase or they tend to go after people
Joseph Okaly:that are nearing retirement, because they have 401(k)s and
Joseph Okaly:things like that they can get rolled over, or families that
Joseph Okaly:have established money. And really, you know, they're
Joseph Okaly:chasing where they have the most income potential, which you
Joseph Okaly:know, makes sense. But unfortunately, that leaves a lot
Joseph Okaly:of people out, and specifically young families.
Joseph Okaly:This podcast is going to help provide some of that information
Joseph Okaly:that is so useful when you're young, and can go such a long
Joseph Okaly:way in removing any of that anxiety around some personal
Joseph Okaly:finance topics that we all may have. And really just allow us
Joseph Okaly:to enjoy time with our family, which is why we're here, and the
Joseph Okaly:finance element should not be getting in the way of having
Joseph Okaly:your life be as enjoyable as it as it possibly can. Overall, we
Joseph Okaly:aren't here to accumulate money and insurance products- we're
Joseph Okaly:here to enjoy life with our families. So if we could walk
Joseph Okaly:into any store tomorrow and pick out groceries, a vacation or any
Joseph Okaly:car off the lot without payment, you know, we wouldn't really
Joseph Okaly:care about money anymore. It would have no actual, real
Joseph Okaly:practical value to it. So money in itself, we have to remember,
Joseph Okaly:is not the actual goal. Doing what makes life most enjoyable
Joseph Okaly:to us is the actual goal.
Joseph Okaly:And so there are definitely more than enough retirement podcasts
Joseph Okaly:out there. There are podcasts that help you get out of credit
Joseph Okaly:card debt or rent your first apartment. But this one is
Joseph Okaly:specifically for you families out there who are young, you
Joseph Okaly:know in your 30s, and you're looking for help. You know you
Joseph Okaly:probably are a little bit more established in your career now
Joseph Okaly:and you have some money to you know, make these changes, secure
Joseph Okaly:your situation and then be able to remove the anxiety that
Joseph Okaly:they're related to. So you know, again, like you heard in the
Joseph Okaly:opening, we want to get rid of those things that weigh on us,
Joseph Okaly:stress us out and distract our focus.
Joseph Okaly:Now the last thing to just touch on real quick before we get into
Joseph Okaly:the actual episode is I currently, as of filming this,
Joseph Okaly:have two kids under four as of today. I have a four year old
Joseph Okaly:daughter and a one year old son, so I know time is precious. I
Joseph Okaly:don't have time myself for one and a half hour podcasts, or you
Joseph Okaly:know textbooks or anything like that, so episodes are going to
Joseph Okaly:be as short as I possibly can make them. I want to get you the
Joseph Okaly:information, not have you listened to me talk for 10 extra
Joseph Okaly:minutes. There's only so long before, you know, you hear a
Joseph Okaly:crash or cry in the next room- which sometimes we hear the cry
Joseph Okaly:and you know they're alive, so that could be okay. But yeah,
Joseph Okaly:the goal is to get you the information as quickly as
Joseph Okaly:possible in a way that you can process it, digest it and then
Joseph Okaly:take positive action off of that if you want to.
Joseph Okaly:We're going to start today's episode, "Unknowns Are Scary",
Joseph Okaly:off with a little bit of a story. My son Noah is just over
Joseph Okaly:one year old now, and when he was a couple days old we brought
Joseph Okaly:him home from the hospital. And we started to notice these
Joseph Okaly:little blistery bumps around his diaper line. And at first we
Joseph Okaly:thought it was just an irritation from the diaper, but
Joseph Okaly:after two, three, four started to pop up real quick, we quickly
Joseph Okaly:kind of knew that there was something more to it than just
Joseph Okaly:that. So we came to this realization at night, so we left
Joseph Okaly:a message for the pediatrician, becasue we wanted to go in and
Joseph Okaly:see them the next day. And I couldn't sleep at all that
Joseph Okaly:night, it was me just wondering what was wrong with him. You
Joseph Okaly:know, you go on your phone, and then you just open up a whole
Joseph Okaly:box of scary. And so, it was a very difficult night. Now the
Joseph Okaly:next day, we get an appointment with the pediatrician, they have
Joseph Okaly:us come in and they diagnose it as something called impetigo,
Joseph Okaly:which is a bacterial infection. And it's not a good infection to
Joseph Okaly:have, but if you know, you catch it early, and they gave us a
Joseph Okaly:prescription neosporin kind of a thing that we had to go to the
Joseph Okaly:pharmacy to get. And this poor little baby who's great
Joseph Okaly:throughout it, he has no shirt on, he's laying on my knees on
Joseph Okaly:the couch, and we have the ointment on, and he just he's
Joseph Okaly:sleeping there with his arms straight up in the air. But once
Joseph Okaly:that night happened, I wasn't scared anymore. Not because it
Joseph Okaly:wasn't difficult still, not because it wasn't challenging
Joseph Okaly:still, but because I knew what I was dealing with. I knew the
Joseph Okaly:name of it, and I knew the treatment that was required to
Joseph Okaly:have him be better.
Joseph Okaly:The same thing is true when it comes to personal finance. What
Joseph Okaly:you need to know is the unknowns from a finance standpoint, from
Joseph Okaly:a personal finance standpoint, they work the same way. So if
Joseph Okaly:you don't know where you are, and you don't know what you need
Joseph Okaly:to do to fix it, then it's scary. And what's even worse
Joseph Okaly:when it comes to finance is we don't always even know what we
Joseph Okaly:don't know. So Noah had a rash, it was a visual element, I could
Joseph Okaly:see that there was a problem. Finances don't always work that
Joseph Okaly:way. And if they do work that way, it's likely because it's
Joseph Okaly:much later in dealing with it then we should have dealt with
Joseph Okaly:it. So a typical young family, we've kind of boiled it down to,
Joseph Okaly:there are three major unknown type questions they need to be
Joseph Okaly:asking themselves. And now, for any of these before I even ask
Joseph Okaly:them, you do not need to know the answers right now, that is
Joseph Okaly:absolutely fine. But you should at least be aware of them so
Joseph Okaly:that you can ask them to yourself, and you and your
Joseph Okaly:spouse can discuss them.
Joseph Okaly:The first question is, 'what actually makes life most
Joseph Okaly:enjoyable to me?' And this may seem like a weird first
Joseph Okaly:question, because you know, a lot of people might be like,
Joseph Okaly:'well I know what I like to do.' But what makes it most enjoyable
Joseph Okaly:to me is really focusing on where we're putting our actions.
Joseph Okaly:So I'll give you an example for myself personally. When I was in
Joseph Okaly:middle school, all I wanted to do was get into the high level
Joseph Okaly:classes in high school. When I was in high school, I just
Joseph Okaly:wanted to get good grades to get into a good college. In college,
Joseph Okaly:then I want to, you know, get a good job. After a job, it was a
Joseph Okaly:spouse, and then I wanted to get married and have kids. And I'm
Joseph Okaly:sitting with my daughter when she was less than a year old in
Joseph Okaly:the middle of the night, trying to get her to go to sleep, and
Joseph Okaly:realizing I was already planning out her retirement. Okay, now
Joseph Okaly:when the kids move out, we're going to do this and that. And I
Joseph Okaly:was jumping from one thing to the next and not giving the
Joseph Okaly:present enough of my attention. The 18 years or so that I'll
Joseph Okaly:have my kids before they move out, those are going to be
Joseph Okaly:really unique special times, and obviously, I don't want to be
Joseph Okaly:rushing that.
Joseph Okaly:So yeah, we definitely need to have long term goals of an early
Joseph Okaly:retirement and covering college, but we need to make sure that
Joseph Okaly:we're focusing and not losing sight on what actually makes
Joseph Okaly:life most enjoyable to us today. So my wife Lauren and I also
Joseph Okaly:added in some more, you know, current year present goals that
Joseph Okaly:we want to make sure we're not losing sight of on top of those
Joseph Okaly:longer term traditional, you know, retirement and paying for
Joseph Okaly:college and stuff, that kind of stuff. So we now want to visit
Joseph Okaly:two new places we've never been to every year. We want to make
Joseph Okaly:sure we're staying at unique, you know, Airbnb, places that
Joseph Okaly:will really have like a memory to them when we look back on it
Joseph Okaly:with our kids. You know, Disney is certainly on there, maybe a
Joseph Okaly:pool is on your list and so forth. So this first question
Joseph Okaly:is, you know, 'what actually makes life most enjoyable to
Joseph Okaly:me', and then proactively not losing sight of that.
Joseph Okaly:The second question here is, 'if I keep saving at the current
Joseph Okaly:rates, where will that get me?' So everybody out there is
Joseph Okaly:probably saving to some degree, but where will that actually get
Joseph Okaly:you right now? What track are you on? And this really ties
Joseph Okaly:very heavily into that first question because if we know what
Joseph Okaly:track we're on for college, and retirement, we know how much
Joseph Okaly:extra now we have to do things today. So a lot of times we can
Joseph Okaly:be afraid to do a trip, or do a renovation or whatever it might
Joseph Okaly:be, because we're not sure about what track we're heading on for
Joseph Okaly:some of these other major important items. And so since we
Joseph Okaly:still have anxiety with some of those, we can't release and be
Joseph Okaly:able to do some things that might be more enjoyable in the
Joseph Okaly:present. But if I was able to tell you, "Hey, if you save X
Joseph Okaly:amount today, and every month going forward, retirement and
Joseph Okaly:college will be covered", wouldn't that be a huge relief
Joseph Okaly:to you? Wouldn't that just free what mentally to enjoy living
Joseph Okaly:more that you knew these major milestone things, if I just did
Joseph Okaly:a, b, and c, they would be covered?
Joseph Okaly:The last of these three questions is, 'if I died, or was
Joseph Okaly:disabled, tomorrow, what would happen?' And this is kind of the
Joseph Okaly:protector element, but first, before you can protect anything,
Joseph Okaly:you need to know what you're trying to protect. So some
Joseph Okaly:people may want their spouse to be able to stay home with the
Joseph Okaly:kids. Others may want to cover child care, but they still want
Joseph Okaly:to keep working to some degree. So we have some clients who
Joseph Okaly:even, you know, they say I would go live with my parents. And
Joseph Okaly:that's even a very different scenario. So there is no right
Joseph Okaly:or wrong scenario. It's just what scenario would you want to
Joseph Okaly:have happen, God forbid one of these terrible events occurred
Joseph Okaly:in your life, because each scenario translates into
Joseph Okaly:different coverage. So you first need to know what you would want
Joseph Okaly:to happen, and then you can solve for it.
Joseph Okaly:These three questions are all going to be answered in parts of
Joseph Okaly:future episodes and much more detailed diving into them. But
Joseph Okaly:this first series is just setting your mental mindset when
Joseph Okaly:it comes to money. And so these are the same questions that
Joseph Okaly:everybody should be asking themselves. As young families, I
Joseph Okaly:kind of said at the outset, we don't get enough finance
Joseph Okaly:direction as young families from our professionals in the
Joseph Okaly:industry or from our education system, and we wind up falling
Joseph Okaly:into more of a box checking approach. I'm supposed to save-
Joseph Okaly:okay, check that box. I'm supposed to have a 401(k)- okay,
Joseph Okaly:check that box. I'm supposed to have life insurance- okay, get
Joseph Okaly:some through work, I guess I'll check that box. I'm supposed to
Joseph Okaly:have a 529 plan for college- okay, I check that box, I have
Joseph Okaly:one. And the thing is, if you notice, that doesn't tend to
Joseph Okaly:really get rid of your anxiety because it's not removing the
Joseph Okaly:unknown. You have the 401(k), but is it enough? I have the
Joseph Okaly:life insurance, but is it enough? I'm saving for college,
Joseph Okaly:but is it enough?
Joseph Okaly:If you know the answers to these three questions that we just
Joseph Okaly:went through, now you're removing the anxiety, you're not
Joseph Okaly:just checking a box of something that it sounds like you're
Joseph Okaly:supposed to have. So what can you do? And this is pretty
Joseph Okaly:simple- you need to discuss these three questions with your
Joseph Okaly:spouse. Again, there are no answers that are needed today or
Joseph Okaly:tomorrow, but you should be starting down this mental kind
Joseph Okaly:of a path. So again, let's just recap those three questions for
Joseph Okaly:you. The first is, 'what actually makes life most
Joseph Okaly:enjoyable to me?' Two is, 'if I keep saving at the current rate,
Joseph Okaly:where will that get me?' And the third question is, 'if I died or
Joseph Okaly:was disabled tomorrow, what would happen? What would I want
Joseph Okaly:to happen?' And start with those first three questions with your
Joseph Okaly:spouse, and what you may find is that you get to a point where
Joseph Okaly:you have more clarity on these than you thought was possible.
Joseph Okaly:And sometimes your answers aren't the same as you would
Joseph Okaly:expect from your spouse. So you know, talking and asking the
Joseph Okaly:questions is always the first step for any of our clients
Joseph Okaly:because you get clarity on what you're trying to do and where
Joseph Okaly:you're trying to go. And I know that this works, because this is
Joseph Okaly:what I go through myself. You know, I've had these these
Joseph Okaly:questions and these conversations with my spouse.
Joseph Okaly:And we have clarity on where we're going, we have clarity on
Joseph Okaly:what we want to do, we have clarity on how we would protect
Joseph Okaly:ourselves, God forbid in those scenarios, and so I don't spend
Joseph Okaly:one second of any day worrying about it. I don't have any
Joseph Okaly:anxiety about any of those items, and that's what I want to
Joseph Okaly:try taking steps to help you with as well.
Joseph Okaly:As young families, we have a lot on our plate for sure. But by
Joseph Okaly:taking just kind of a little bit of time to see where we're going
Joseph Okaly:and make sure we're going in the direction we actually want to,
Joseph Okaly:it can remove that anxiety around all those. So thanks very
Joseph Okaly:much for tuning in. If you enjoyed this episode, please
Joseph Okaly:make sure to review us on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen.
Joseph Okaly:There are literally millions of young American families out
Joseph Okaly:there we're trying to reach and help just like you. So our next
Joseph Okaly:episode will be coming up shortly. It's entitled "Like
Joseph Okaly:Super Gymnast Flexible", covering the flexibility that we
Joseph Okaly:should all be having in our financial situations as young
Joseph Okaly:families. So thanks very much and I look forward to connecting
Joseph Okaly:with you again soon.
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