00:00 Introduction and Welcome

01:15 Listener Question: The Nature of Hell

04:14 Debate on Sin and Human Nature

08:29 Bible Reading: 2 Samuel 1-4

17:29 David's Integrity and Leadership

18:38 Closing Prayer and Farewell

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We did have a question come in from

a listener Uhoh who wanted to know,

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and I said something yesterday in, or

yesterday as I sit here recording this,

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I said something at the Good Friday

service, you were confusing people.

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Yep.

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Uhoh and I mentioned hell and I had

talked about hell being away from the

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presence of God, and as soon as I said it.

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Did the thing.

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As soon as I said it, I thought,

man, do I need to correct this?

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And then I thought, no, I'm

not gonna correct it right now.

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It would just distract

and muddy the waters.

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But somebody wrote a question

and behold we got the question.

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Yep.

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Somebody wrote the question in said,

Hey is hell, I've heard that hell

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is a place away from the presence

of God and in the presence of God.

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What's the answer there?

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Yeah.

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He says that my senior pastor recently

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Rod: preached a Good Friday service.

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He does not say that.

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I'm confused by what he said.

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He doesn't say that.

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No.

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But it would make sense

'cause I think he was there.

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PJ: He was there.

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Yeah, for sure.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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No, it's my take on it is

that, that I misspoke it.

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If God is omnipresent, which we

believe is what the Bible says

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then he's everywhere all at once.

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And so there is no place in all

of creation and hell is part of

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creation wherein God is not present.

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Now what.

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Aspect of God is present in hell.

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That's a different question.

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Is the grace and the mercy and

the patience and the loving

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kindness of God present in hell?

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And I would say no.

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What is present in hell is God's justice

and his holiness and his wrath, his power.

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All of those attributes of God are

known and experienced in hell by those

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that are there because hell is not

the place where Satan has a pitchfork.

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Hell is the place where God is pouring

out that, that bowl of wrath that we

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talked about on Friday, that was poured

out on Christ for believers for the

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unbeliever that is poured out on them

in hell, and that is gonna be a place of

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eternal, weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Rod: Yeah.

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So when people say away from the presence

of God, you have to understand it in

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terms of the common vernacular, right?

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We're not using a literal, wooden phrase

to mean exactly what we say or what

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you're trying to say is that you're.

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You're away from God's good presence,

his grace, his mercy, all the things that

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we enjoy here, and even that unbelievers

enjoy is acts of God's common grace.

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You don't get those things right

and so you are away from the good

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presence of God, the kindness of God.

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God could never be fully removed

because he's God, he's everywhere,

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all places at all times.

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So therefore, the sentence

still makes sense.

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It's just, it adds, it needs clarification

because some people could misunderstand

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it like what this email says.

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It could offer some.

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So it'd leave room for a lot more

clarification, which you just offered.

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So thank you for that.

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PJ: Yep.

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So there you go.

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He said, I'd like you

both to respond on that.

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I think he was wondering

if we disagree on that.

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I think he was looking for a fight.

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We could do it for fun.

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Yeah.

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Rod: Let's do, I read, okay.

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I read recently and I

thought, this is a great idea.

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Here it comes.

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No.

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This has nothing to do about

our disagreement on that.

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Okay.

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We don't disagree.

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Okay.

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But they said in, in a disagreement

between two people, one of the

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best things to do is to argue

the other person's position.

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Because it helps you respect and

know and own what you believe.

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And I don't think I've ever done that.

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I think that'd be really fun.

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That wouldn't be So next time

we have a disagreement, we're

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gonna take the other's position.

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PJ: Okay.

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You say it like that, I

just am saying it like that.

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'cause you make me do hard things

sometimes and I don't want to.

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Man I heard something and I, in

preparation for Good Friday, and I made

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a small comment on it and it probably

wasn't noticed by many people, but it

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was something that hit me in preparation.

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It goes in, it comes

back to the idea of hell.

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'cause you and I have talked

about the eternality of hell.

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Yes.

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And one of the options is that

people in hell continue to sin in

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their response to the wrath of God,

the weeping and gnashing of teeth

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indicating a rebellion against God.

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Continue rebellion against God.

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And this is.

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I guess in, in keeping with that

to some degree, and basically what

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this person said is they said the

fallen nature of man is inherently by

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itself offensive to God's holiness.

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That it's not even the sinful acts

that we commit that are the grounding

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of God's wrath against us, but our

connection to Adam, our fallen nature.

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That is that which draws the ire of

doubt and the wrath of God to begin with.

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Which, if that's the case and those in

hell still possess a fallen nature, which

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I would believe that they do, then perhaps

that is also part of the grounds for the

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eternality of hell, that fallen nature

is never redeemed, and so they're never

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in a place of not being in at odds with a

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Rod: holy God.

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I get that, and I understand

how that's appealing.

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I think one of the challenges then

you come across is then, okay, what

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about those who don't have the.

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Mental ability to respond to the gospel.

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You and I would agree that we think

there's some kind of dispensation

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that God offers to those.

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We think about particularly babies

who are in some way incapacitated

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either by time because they never

grow up or some other means.

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You guys get the idea, but we wouldn't

say God would send them to hell, right?

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Because of their sinful nature.

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So you have to still make

a provision in your mind.

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So I get it and I think there's

something appealing about it.

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I just think it, it doesn't for me fit.

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What I think to be true, what I think

the Bible at least allows for is a

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provision for the very very young.

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PJ: Yeah.

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And I would agree with that.

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And I think that both of those things

can operate in concert with each other.

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That provision is made for those

that are incapable of intellectually

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grasping the gospel, coming to faith

in, in that which is the remedy

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for our broken and sinful nature.

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But for those that, that don't

fit that category, which is the

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majority, I think of humanity, that

the sinful nature could still be,

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that, that grounds for the simmering

of the wrath of God that is eternal.

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Rod: That's consistent

with reformed theology.

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We say that people are we say that

people sin because they're sinners

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and not the other way around.

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And again, Millard Erickson.

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In his book that's No Longer in

Print talks about the fact that we

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we vote with our actions to validate

or to affirm our sinful nature.

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We participate in it and give it,

giving ourselves over to it, which

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in his mind is the time that we

reach the age of accountability.

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Whatever that age is when we

take that sin and we say, yes.

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I wanna do that.

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I want to pursue my sinful nature.

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So yeah, I think that's consistent with

how we understand human nature to work.

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We would not say that humans

are born with a blank slate

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or that people are born good.

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I was talking to somebody recently about

that, and the idea was like people are

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born good and they just get contorted

by the world, and they, they get shaped

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by evil forces like their parents

or their schools or whatever else.

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And I thought I'm I

could not disagree more.

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Because it's so evident that we

are born with a natural inclination

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disposition toward evil, right?

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We just validate it later in life,

as a full bill on adults or someone

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with the reasoning capabilities

that is not necessarily adults.

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Yeah, I would agree with you.

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I think that's fitting, it makes sense.

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Probably a shade or a nuance.

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I.

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A step further about some things that

we've said in the past about that.

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PJ: Yeah.

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Rod: Yeah.

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I would agree.

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PJ: Yeah.

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I'll never forget the, I forget

who the first person to say it, but

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I won't forget the illustration.

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And that is you don't have to

teach your kids how to fight.

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Like you, you don't have to

teach your kids to be selfish.

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Yeah.

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You don't have to teach your kids to.

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Have a bad attitude or respond in

anger to something that doesn't go

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their way, which is evidence of the

fact that the sin nature is there.

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It's, they're not sinners because

the world has corrupted them.

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We don't take our children and say

let me teach you how to be a bully.

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It just, it comes out because that's

the sin nature within us, and I think

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that's that's evident there with

with those that have kids for sure.

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Rod: For those without kids,

you're welcome to borrow hours.

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For any number of our church kids, I'm,

they'll teach you and you'll be convinced.

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Yes.

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You don't even Absolutely.

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This one is one of those

read the book of scripture.

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Yes.

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But read the book of nature as well.

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Totally.

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And you can have our book.

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Yeah.

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We'll let you have our nature.

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You could go and take care of our kids

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PJ: minute.

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It's dogeared it's marked up a little

bit, but you can have our book.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Alright, let's jump into our Bible

reading Second Samuel one through four.

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Second Samuel one.

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Talk about a guy that does

not read the room well.

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Yeah, the report of Death the Death

of Saul and Jonathan reaches David

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through let's just, he's an unfortunate

Amal, but he brings it on himself, man.

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He comes in thinking that he's

bringing good news, thinking

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that he's bowing up here.

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It looks like he's robbed the

body of Saul and Jonathan.

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And he comes to David claiming to

be the one that dispatched Saul

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in this act of supposed mercy.

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And yet he doesn't understand two things.

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Number one, David doesn't

really like the Amalekites.

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Remember the whole Ziklag thing.

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And then number two David himself

had multiple opportunities to

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end Saul's life and chose not to.

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And so here you have an enemy of

Israel who claims to be the one that.

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Terminated Saul's life and then

has robbed the bodies of these

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of the crown and other things.

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And so David does not give the man

the honor that he's looking for.

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In fact, David has 'em dispatched, he

has 'em killed right off the bat there

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and says, this is this is on you man.

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You, your blood be on your own head

for the actions that you committed.

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Yeah, he's an

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Rod: amalekite strike one.

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And he killed, or at least

he says he killed, which we

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don't think he did, obviously.

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He says he killed Saul.

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He did not.

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The scripture, the testimony of

scripture is that Saul killed himself.

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He's totally misreading his audience.

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Yeah.

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Fatally.

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PJ: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And even his description, he says,

Saul, I saw Saul leaning on his

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spear, and if you go back and read the

death of Saul, Saul falls on a sword.

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And so there's even inconsistencies there

which would lead to the fact that we

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would believe that that this is wrong.

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All right, two zero.

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Chapter two, then Civil War breaks out

here between King David and King ish Bhe.

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Abner had taken ish Bhe, which was one

of Saul's sons, and anointed him as

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king in place of now the dead Saul.

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And this had created a rivalry,

and this war was gonna last for

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two years between Israel and.

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Judah David being the king over Judah

and ish Beeth being the king over Israel.

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And the first battle shows up

here and you've got Joe AB and

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Abner Joe AB over David's army

and Abner over ish Beth's army.

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And they send out these men,

young men to fight to see if

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that can settle the battle.

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They all end up.

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In a very bizarre interaction, killing one

another there so nobody comes out on top.

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So then the battle breaks out and

David wins, except there's a loss here.

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And that is the brother

of Joab Asel or as Asel.

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And pursues Abner and wants to kill him.

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And Abner multiple times says, Hey, stop.

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I don't wanna do this.

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I don't wanna kill you.

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Leave off following me.

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The battle is winding down.

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Let's just go our separate ways.

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And this young man refuses to do it.

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And so Abner does all that he knows

to do in an act, I think of justified

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self-defense, in my opinion, at least.

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And he kills job's, brother.

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Joab doesn't see it this way.

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And the battle keeps going until

Abner finally says, Hey, can we just

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stop all the killing and go our ways?

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Because this is getting outta hand.

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And that.

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Seems to appease both sides

and both sides return home.

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But this is gonna come into play later on.

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In fact, even in our reading today.

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Rod: Yeah.

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So Joab, Abhai, and Assael are

the three sons of Zaia, which

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is interesting for two reasons.

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Number one, Zaia is a woman's name.

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It's suggestive then that

whoever their father was, he

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wasn't the extraordinary one.

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It was Zaia.

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She's the one who's highlighted.

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So there's this three, her three sons.

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That's the first thing.

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Second thing is that Zaia

appears to be, as far as we're

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understanding this rightly,

appears to be the sister of David.

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So if you look at one Chronicles two 16

two 15 talks about David and his brothers.

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Two 16 says, and their

sisters were Ria and Abigail.

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And then you have Zia's sons there,

Abishai, Joab, and ASA Health.

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So it looks like there's a family

relationship that, which is one reason

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I think Joab sticks around for a while.

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But just keep that in mind.

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Two things.

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She's a woman.

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Zia, that is, and it

seems to be David sister.

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PJ: And.

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Rod: You learn something new every day.

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Yeah, that's, I didn't know that.

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Yeah I have studied this before because

I was trying to put family connections

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together and David's life, and that's,

this is harder than you might realize.

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Yeah.

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But I'm pretty clear, I think

I'm pretty clear on this.

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I feel pretty good that he is his nephew.

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Joe AB is his nephew, and it's

through his sister Zia, which I mean.

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There, there's complications

there, but yeah, that's the idea.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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PJ: Chapter three again, this

battle continues for two years.

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It says that the battle

went on for a long time.

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It was for two years.

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And we know that because that's the

length of Ish's reign over Israel there.

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And so the battle grew longer and longer.

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David grew stronger and stronger

because God was with David and not with.

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The offspring of Saul there.

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And that goes back to what God had

told Saul, Hey Saul, you're done.

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Your dynasty's done.

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Your rain is done.

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This is not happening.

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There's some notes here at the

beginning of chapter three about some

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of David's sons, Amon in Absalom.

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Those are two names to, if you

highlight in Logouts or something like

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that, highlight those guys in red.

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Those are bad dudes,

and we'll find out why.

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Later on is the book unfolds.

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But Amon and Absalom are born at

this time in in David's life as well

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as a couple of other children here.

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But the line is gonna go

through Solomon, which tells

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you that there's gonna be some.

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Bad things that happened

to these other guys.

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'cause these other guys

are born before Solomon.

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But we'll find out more about that.

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As the story unfolds, as they say.

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But ish, Behe and Abner have a

fallout because ish Behe accuses

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Abner of doing something that

Abner doesn't appear to have done.

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And that is that he accuses him of a power

play with one of ish Beth's concubines.

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Abner says, how dare you?

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I've done all of these things

for you and I served your father,

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and this is how you repay me.

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I'm out.

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I'm gonna go establish the

kingdom in David's hand.

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And what's always fascinated me here is.

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That Abner knew the prophecies.

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He knew that God had said that it

was gonna be David that was gonna

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be established, and yet he still

fought against that until this point.

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And now he's Nope, I'm out.

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I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna

give the Kingdom to David.

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And he goes to do just that.

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And and David is agreeable as

long as he brings me call back.

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His wife solved daughter back.

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And Abner says, great, we'll do this.

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Let's strike the deal.

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And then Joab comes back and

finds out that this has happened.

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Feels betrayed by David.

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And Joab and Abishai take Abner

off to the side and they kill him.

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In retaliation for Abner

having killed their brother.

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And David finds out about this

and basically says, Hey, this

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was wrong, and you murdered him.

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Like a dog rather than a man.

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And he leads Israel in a lament.

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And it, it seems to go over well with

the people respected David for the way

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that he responded to the death of Abner.

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Rod: So this is interesting.

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So I think what you

just said here about I.

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Abner in particular being like is this

a justified claim that he was actually

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trying to make a claim for the throne?

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I don't know if Abner's a good guy, I'm

just gonna say, throw my cards on the

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table and part of it, because he does

know the prophecies and yet he doesn't

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say, look, this is the wrong guys.

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We ought to give the kingdom to David.

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'cause the Lord has prophesied, the

Lord has promised him this kingdom.

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He doesn't do it until he's

offended by what ish Boche

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says, and he never denies it.

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I don't know if he noticed that.

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He never says I didn't do it.

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He just says look at all these

positive things that I'm doing for you.

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You should.

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I think he's saying, you should

trust me, trust that I've got your

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best interest at heart, and let me

do what I'm trying to do over here.

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Who knows?

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The scripture doesn't tell us

whether or not he did or didn't do

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it or whether or not he was guilty.

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But what we do see is that you're right.

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He knows the scriptures and he

should have done this earlier.

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So I'm gonna hold that against him.

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Secondly, I want you to notice

too, that when you find that Joe AB

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murders Abner, he does it in Hebron.

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Which is one of the cities of refuge.

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It's where you're not

supposed to kill people.

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So he violates the law in two ways,

not just the first by killing him, but

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killing him at a city of refuge, which

if you remember reading Leviticus,

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it was a provision for people that

accidentally killed somebody else.

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They could flee to a city of refuge, and

they were safe there until the death of

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the high priest wherein they could then

go back home and hopefully not be killed.

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But here you have an offense

not only in the murder, but

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in murder at a city of refuge.

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PJ: Yeah.

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I'm not.

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Sin Abner's a good guy?

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No.

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You said he's a good guy.

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I unqualified that.

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I don't said full throated support.

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Yeah, I'm sure it's gonna show up

that way 'cause you're gonna just

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grab something and that I've said

in the past and throw it in there.

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No, I, yeah I don't think he

did the move with the concubine.

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Why do you think that I'm interested?

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I think he words there are denying

it at least I read that granted, he

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doesn't come out and say, I didn't

do this, and yet he says, I look,

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are you treat me like a dog's head?

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I've always loyal.

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I did all this.

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And yet you charge me today

with a fault concerning a woman.

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So there, the, I think he's pointed

to the charge as the offense.

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Dude you're charging me with doing this.

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Look at my loyalty,

look at my track record.

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Rod: Okay?

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PJ: And you're gonna charge me with this

as though bro I had, I've been loyal

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to a fault to you and this is how you

repay me is you charge me with this.

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All right.

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So I see it.

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I see that.

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Yeah.

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I guess I'm just more cynical.

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And I think the other reason too

is he doesn't make a power play.

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He does the opposite.

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If this was a power play,

which it would've been to

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sleep with the concubine right?

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Then I feel like he would've bowed up

against ish bhef at this moment and

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brought things to a head and seized

the throne rather than in the, than

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abdicating going, Hey, then I'm out.

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I'm going over to David then.

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Rod: Yeah.

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Yeah, I could see that.

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And that makes sense.

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Un, unless it was un, unless he

wasn't aiming for the throne and

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he just wanted the woman yeah.

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This is all speculative, but I

think again, he knows the promises.

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Yeah.

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Verse 18, now bring it about for the

Lord has promised David saying yada.

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Ab I don't know.

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I just, he's a.

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Seedy character.

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I'm not saying he's a good guy.

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You just

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PJ: said that.

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He's a good guy.

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Alright chapter four then

as we wrap up here, another

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unfortunate read of the room.

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You've got these two wicked guys Benna

and Rahab who go in and they murder

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ish bef while he's on his bed and they

behead him and they take the kings.

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The head to King David

and they say, look at us.

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We did you a favor.

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And David just rips into

them, has them killed.

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He disgraces and dishonor their bodies

and buries the head of ish beseth.

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And oof there's bookends here, chapter

one, chapter four, where you've got

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guys that, that take matters into

their own hands as far as justice.

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And David is sitting there confident in

the Lord to bring about justice, saying,

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this is unnecessary, this is wrong.

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You don't realize what you've

done and you're gonna pay for it.

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And so David is showing himself

at this point, a man of integrity,

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time and time again in the text.

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Rod: And it's gonna work so well for him.

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People are gonna love

this and they should.

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This is a really good season for David.

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Granted, it's not good

'cause there's two molts.

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But his response to these situations

are going to endear him to the people,

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which I think is gonna be really

important as he establishes his reign.

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Totally.

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PJ: And that's what God's doing.

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He's preparing him for that.

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He's preparing him for that.

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That.

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Being able to unite the nation under him.

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And that makes sense because this was

a divided nation at this point, and he

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was gonna have to take the throne and

be able to bring everybody together

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for the good of the nation of Israel.

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Let's pray and then we'll be done with

this episode of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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God we see the two M in the, just that the

effects of sin at work here in the Bible.

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And we look around our world and

we see the same thing today looks

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different, but it's still here.

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And so God we look forward to the

time when the treat of VI King

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will come back and put an end to

all of this and put an end to sin.

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And he will establish his

throne forever and ever.

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And we will be able to be a part of the

new heavens, the new Earth where there is

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no more sin or any of its consequences.

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We can't wait for that day.

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And in the meantime

here we find ourselves.

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And so we read about the

precursor, the first, David.

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Looking forward to the next, the

second David, the better David

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who will come in the future.

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Your son, Jesus Christ, the

resurrected Christ that we just

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finished celebrating yesterday.

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So would you pray that you'd give us

a great week as we start a new week

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today, and that we would focus on

Christ, that we would focus on the Word,

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and that we would grow as believers?

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We pray in Jesus' name, amen.

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Amen.

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Keep reading your Bibles.

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Tune in again tomorrow for another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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See you.

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Bye.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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Bible Church in north Texas.

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PJ: Yeah.

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I would agree with

everything that you said