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Avengers, Pixar, and Venom: The Last Dance aka "Pixar's Hugabaloo"
Episode 21 • 5th June 2024 • Films in Black and White • Doug Wagner, Marcus Destin, and Bryan Roush
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And let's do this one.

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Welcome to Films of Black and White,

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everybody!

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Alright, alright, alright!

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How are you all feeling?

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It is a fantastic Monday to

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be with you all.

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You know, it might feel a little bit weird,

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because Marcus is...

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I think flying.

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He's either flying or recovering.

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I'm not exactly sure.

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I feel like when we talked with him,

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he would have landed in

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South Dakota at this moment.

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That sounds right.

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That sounds right to me.

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But nah, man.

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It's airplane travel.

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Anything can happen.

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Everything's always a half hour wait.

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It's airplane travel and

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he's coming from somewhere

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that is literally five hours behind us.

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Yeah, that too.

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Who knows?

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Who knows when he's getting here?

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But anyway,

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he is taking some much needed

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time off to rest and

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recover and kind of get back into it.

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Looks like he had a baller

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time out there in Hawaii.

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So glad he was able to do that.

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We've got a great show with you all.

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Guys, this is a potpourri.

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Brian, this is a potpourri episode.

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We kind of have a little

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sprinkling of everything.

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So we're going to talk.

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like a little Furiosa stuff.

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We're going to talk a little, uh,

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like Pixar stuff.

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We're going to talk predator.

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I've got some comic book

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things that I want to,

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I want to get into.

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So we just kind of have like

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some miscellaneous shit

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that we're going to get into.

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Uh, but more importantly,

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how are you doing, sir?

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Brian can't stop reading invincible.

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How are you doing?

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I can't.

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I'm feeling I'm feeling good.

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This was like the first day

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of our summer routine here in the.

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Yeah, I love that.

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Last day of school was last

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Friday for two of the kiddos.

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OK,

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so like today was like the first day of

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like, we don't have a school.

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And like as a parent,

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it's like that is four

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commitments I don't have to worry about.

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It's picking you up and

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dropping you off for each kid,

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which is great.

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I don't have to get in the car.

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I don't go anywhere.

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I don't have to wait anywhere.

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That's phenomenal.

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On the flip side, they're here all day.

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And I work from home.

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And my wife does work from home, too.

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But she works the other shift.

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I basically work during the day.

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She works in the night.

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And...

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Essentially,

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that's a different rhythm that

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we are getting used to.

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There's a minor adjustment

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period happening right now for summer.

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Also, as an adult,

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summer is a different energy.

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It zaps me more.

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You're outside more.

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You feel that heat.

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It takes a little bit more

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energy to do stuff outside.

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It's so nice out.

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So it's like this weird

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cyclical thing that keeps happening.

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So what about you, Doug?

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How are you?

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Doing good.

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Came off.

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I get this, Brian.

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So we've been out of school

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for two weeks now.

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Oh, you've been out for two weeks?

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Yeah.

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South Dakota's a different animal.

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And so we've been... So the

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first week Harrison worked

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was at home with me because

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he didn't have a daycare option.

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Oh, wow.

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So dude, I get it.

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Like you're trying to work from home,

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but also there's somebody

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here that's like, hey,

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I have a question about...

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I don't know,

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everything in the world right now.

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And you're like, oh, can you just not?

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Like,

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can you wait for me to finish what

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I'm doing?

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So I get that.

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This last week on Tuesday,

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I went up to Minneapolis

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and I worked remotely from up there.

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Let Harrison and Harper get

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some time with my parents.

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We got to see the grandparents,

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which was really great.

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And Harrison got I took

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Harrison to his first major

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league soccer game.

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And I want to talk briefly about that.

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I see the Loon hat.

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I see the Loon hat.

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Okay.

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So we went and did that.

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Brian, this was an incredible experience.

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Tell me everything.

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So if you all have not gone

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to a Major League Soccer game, first off,

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go.

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Because the tickets are nothing.

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So we got tickets that were

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in the front row, on the sideline.

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And if this were a football game,

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I would have paid...

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$300 a piece.

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Minimum.

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And that's like a non-division rival.

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That might even be pre-season prices.

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Right.

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Brent, I paid $36 per ticket.

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Per ticket?

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That's not bad at all.

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And so we were right there.

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And so I went...

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I went all out and Harrison

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got himself a little jersey.

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We got him like a jersey.

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And when those players ran

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out and they were wearing

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the same jersey that he was,

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he looked at me and he went,

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they're wearing the same jersey.

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And I went, yep, they are, buddy.

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That's what they wear.

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And then when the mascot was

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wearing the same thing, he was like, dad,

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the loons wearing the same thing I am.

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And so it was just really,

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really cool to see.

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The other thing is that

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Harrison's at this age,

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and I don't know how Liam is, Brian.

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And I am so sorry, Brian.

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I get all of your kids' names.

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Who's the oldest?

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Liam is the oldest?

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Perfect.

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That's who I was trying to talk about.

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You nailed it.

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I nailed it.

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So Liam, I don't know how he is,

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but as Harrison's vocabulary has grown,

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I'm routinely surprised

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when he uses a word correctly.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, oh, no, yeah.

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Yep.

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He was saying to me on the

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drive back to my parents' place,

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he was like, dad,

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some of those were some phenomenal goals.

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I was like, who the fuck are you?

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It was just incredible to

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use the usage of the word

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that was correct.

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It blew me away.

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He had a great time.

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He told me when we got back, he was like,

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can we watch them on TV, too?

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I was like, yeah, we can.

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He's pretty jazzed about it.

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That's so cool to hear that

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he had such a good time.

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Yes.

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That, that is,

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that's going to be like a

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core memory for him.

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It really is.

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And I'm in a core memory for me too.

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Cause this is the first time

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that like he and I,

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cause like I like baseball,

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but this is like,

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this is different because he and I were,

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I had just gotten done

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coaching him for his like soccer season.

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So this was like a perfect

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like transition for us.

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The other thing, Brian is,

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is my son has started reading.

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okay yes and like reading

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kind of starts trying to

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read on his own and there's

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a series of books that I

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shared with you all in the

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chat that I want to talk at

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length about okay okay a

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series called I survived um

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I think I know where this is going.

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Okay.

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Brian,

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these are the most insane series of

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books I've ever heard.

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Because on the one hand,

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there's some pretty cool like titles.

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I survived an earthquake.

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Yes.

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I survived a shark attack.

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All relevant, right?

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Like all like, yep.

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Okay.

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That's something you would survive.

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But then there's like these

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four or five of them where you're like,

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what are you doing to me, books?

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Like,

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what are you... I survived the D-Day

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invasion of 1944.

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I survived September 11th.

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Brian, these are book titles.

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Yeah.

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And so...

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right now because he was so

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jacked about it one of the

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things that we did is we

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went to my parents live in

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the Bryn Mawr neighborhood

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in Minneapolis and they

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just got a bookstore that

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used to be a house that

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somebody turned into like a

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locally owned and operated

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bookshop which is really

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cool and he found one of

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these books here and of

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course they're like

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scholactic books so they

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were like five cents and I

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was like if he wants to

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read it that's fine I'm

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and so and so but he the one

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he picked out was the I

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survived the d-day invasion

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one well and I started

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leafing through it and I

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was like what the fuck is

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going on here like

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So, Brian,

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I last night had to explain to

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my son who the Nazis were

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because he kept seeing the

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word over and over and over

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again and didn't know what it was.

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And I'm not saying it's

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unreasonable for him not to

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know what it is.

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He's seven.

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Ostensibly, no one's taught him this,

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as well they maybe

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shouldn't have at age seven.

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It's tough.

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Yeah, it's tough.

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So it's just I want to I

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don't know who thought it

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would be a great idea to say like,

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because they're not reading about adults.

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They're reading about other kids.

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Yeah,

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this is like a kid that survived the

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D-Day invasion.

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Right.

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Oh, it's just right.

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It's a little bonkers to me.

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And that's all I wanted to say.

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no I think I well welcome to

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dad chat um no I do feel

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like dad's black and white

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or just white this thing

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happened uh what am I

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trying to say I feel like I

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didn't learn about any of

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that stuff until I was in

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like middle school and I

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didn't they my education

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didn't necessarily be like

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These were the Nazis.

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These were the bad guys.

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And this is all the bad stuff they did.

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It was like talked around it.

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So like learned about Anne

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Frank and they're like, Hey,

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Anne Frank had to go hide.

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And you're like, wow, that sucks.

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Why'd she have to hide?

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Exactly.

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It was like, why, why were they hiding?

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Who were they hiding from?

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Why'd she have to hide?

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And like, they were like, well,

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cause she's Jewish.

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I'm in middle school.

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I don't know what that means.

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Right.

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Like, um, so basically they are, uh,

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I feel like this stuff is

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happening earlier,

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and I do feel like it's a good thing,

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but as a parent, you're like,

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I didn't have these

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conversations until I was a preteen.

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With Liam,

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I had a very similar experience

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when we watched Captain America,

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First Avenger, and he was like, well,

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who are those guys?

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And I'm like, well, those are the Nazis.

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And he's like, oh, are they bad?

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And I was like,

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Yep, they're bad.

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They sure are.

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We had a whole war about it.

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He's like, really?

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I'm like, the whole world was involved.

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Like, it was bad news.

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Brian,

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I explained to Harrison who Adolf

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Hitler was.

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And my son, blessed his heart, was like,

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well, I mean, I don't think he, like,

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Cause it's terrible.

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Like when you're like,

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he did terrible things.

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His knee jerk reaction was like, well,

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I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose.

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And I was like, no, no, no.

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He did it.

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He did it.

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This was on purpose.

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And then bless Harrison's heart goes, well,

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I'm sure all the people who helped him,

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I'm sure there were some

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people who didn't want to.

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And I was like, fuck.

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Yeah, you're right.

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There probably were some

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people who really didn't want to like,

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yeah, I don't.

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Anyway, to your book, I was just like,

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son of a bitch.

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I mean, right?

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Because we're trying to

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raise these kids to be like, hey,

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give people the benefit of the doubt.

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That person didn't mean to hit you.

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And then you're talking

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about one of the worst people in history.

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No, this person, straight up bad.

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Awful, evil, don't even...

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Don't even worry about it.

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Enjoy their faith in humanity at seven.

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Like you want to be like, yep,

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there probably were some

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who really didn't want to,

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but didn't have any other choice.

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Yep.

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Their upbringing is just

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full of all these

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contradictory statements

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and stories of like, Hey, I want to,

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I want to, you know, do the right thing.

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I'm going to do the right thing.

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No, no, no.

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Not with this person.

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so you know wow but yeah I

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remember seeing those books

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because I think my nieces

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and nephew were reading

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those at some point and I

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like I was around them and

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it was like I survived this

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terrible thing and I was like kids are

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reading these and then I

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thought about my own

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upbringing and I was

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reading like these horror

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short story horror stories

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like goosebumps yes you

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know goosebumps are like

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the the story of the doll

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that came to life and then

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attempted to kill the whole

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family like yep stay cheese

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and die there's a camera

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and it kills people I was

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like this is fine

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Yep, no worries.

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Oh, and by the way,

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I'm just going to take pictures.

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And now we have cameras in our pockets.

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This is not dad chat, so let's pivot.

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Let's pivot into what we all came here for,

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which is movies.

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We do have a quote this week.

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We have a fill that quote.

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So without further ado, here goes...

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What are you doing here?

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We have Marcus.

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I love you so much.

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Joining us from Oahu with love.

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What time do you think it is?

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My body is on three different time zones.

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We left Hawaii.

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Our flight was at 1.

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No, our flight was at 3 p.m.

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And landed in Minneapolis at 5 a.m.

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Sir.

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Sir.

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I was just sitting on the

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couch and I was like, you know what?

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I miss my guys.

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And then I've looked at the

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Harrison and all the kids,

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the Brian and Dougson.

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And I was like, I'm just sitting here.

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I could just sit here and just listen.

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Well, well, Marcus from Oahu with love.

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How are you, sir?

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I'm good, man.

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I'm good.

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I miss I miss y'all.

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I miss y'all.

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Welcome back from paradise.

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How was the ocean?

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It was salty.

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My cholesterol was high by

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the time I got done choking.

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I know, yeah.

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My doctor was like,

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what the hell was you eating?

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55 french fries, 55 shakes, 55 burgers.

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55 burgers, 55 taters.

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I was eating all of it.

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It was beautiful, man.

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The water, everything was beautiful.

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Everything was just, it connects.

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The conference was great.

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The environment, the people were great.

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Content was great.

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My favorite comment,

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my favorite comment from the video.

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So Marcus,

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if you're not following Marcus on socials,

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follow him on socials.

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He posted this video of him

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in the ocean and I was like,

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that's like the best part of being there,

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right?

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But then he

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turns the camera around and

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this wave just takes his

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ass out and here's my

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favorite comment was the

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board of regents sent that

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wave to say no while you

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were there it was my I

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laughed out loud at length

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Listen, Matt, my boy,

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Matty said that said they

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said that wave to take me out.

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And I believe it, man.

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Oh, yeah.

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The funniest.

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I don't want to take.

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I don't know where everybody was.

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Go.

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The funniest part of that

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part of the trip was like, OK,

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black people and large

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bodies of water just ain't just like,

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you know, I mean,

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I don't think I don't think

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there's just that

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connection there that we

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just don't click like that.

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it right so I was I'm in the

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water but saeed's trying to

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get me to go further like

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for like way way out in the

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water and john and megan

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are just like swimming

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their asses off they are

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like way out there with the

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little tour boats that like

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can take you all the way

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out there right so I'm in

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my little area but the

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first time you go out there

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it's not like a little wave

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pool this is the pacific ocean

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So I'm like,

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I'm trying to stand up on

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where the sand is to collect myself.

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Because then I realized, okay,

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I went out there with my phone.

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My dumb ass realizes, okay, Marcus,

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you need two hands to swim

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and survive in the Pacific Ocean.

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This is an influencer time.

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You can't just be fucking around.

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Shout out to the waterproof

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case I got from Amazon for like $18.

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Excellent.

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Yeah.

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So take it back to the thing.

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People are laughing at me like, yeah,

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put that phone down.

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You are crazy.

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You are crazy, dude.

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Put the phone down.

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I'll put the phone down.

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When I try to go back to the water,

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I lie to y'all not.

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It knocked me on my ass.

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Every time I tried to stand up,

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I was like a turtle on its back.

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It just kept spinning my

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dumb ass on the sand.

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And I just couldn't stand up

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and collect my feet.

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But you know what?

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I was like,

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the only thought I had was like, man,

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listen, if this is the way I go,

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Like, that's not a bad way to go.

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I mean,

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a belly full of fresh seafood and

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being killed by an ocean on

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a beautiful beach, that's fine.

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There are worse ways to go.

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Before I knew it, I was like, well,

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I guess I'm going to die

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around some fine women.

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And all the girls are like, oh, stop.

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Oh, my God.

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So, you know,

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I was... I would pay money to

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see the video of it spending you around.

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My God.

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I felt like I was breakdancing on that day,

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I'm saying.

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I do want to see that.

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I would laugh at first.

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Yeah, I would want to see it.

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I would too.

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Well, I mean,

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shall we get into Catch That Quotable?

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I guess.

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You were right on time.

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You heard Catch That

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Quotable and you're like,

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I feel like singing and I

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don't really know why.

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We'll play a little game we

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like to call Catch That Quotable.

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Catch That Quotable

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silky sounds of hawaiian

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marcus um gentlemen are you

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ready so this is a failure

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quotable um I am going to

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read uh the quote um with

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I'll do it with words

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removed so I'll say blank

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uh for that one and then

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we'll just kind of we'll

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kind of go from there so um

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So here we go.

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Blank.

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Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

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Are you ready?

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No, no, Brian.

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This is important.

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It's important we do it right.

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Are you all ready?

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Hit me.

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Hit me.

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So here we go.

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Blank population.

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You, bro.

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Pepper Brooks.

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Blank population.

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You, bro.

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No idea.

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That blank could be anything.

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The first blank could be anything.

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The other two are far too easy.

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I'll give them to you so you

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can read them because he

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gave us three of them,

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and I'll read all three,

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but you're going to get the first two,

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and the third one we're not going to get.

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So blank you, Chuck Norris, White Goodman.

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So it's from Dodgeball.

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I mean, I know that.

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That's thank you, Chuck Norris.

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No, no, no.

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It's fuck you, Chuck.

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It's fuck you, Chuck Norris.

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Oh, is it really?

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Is it really?

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Oh, my gosh.

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I need to watch that movie again.

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Yeah.

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Is it Painville or is it

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like it's like Loserville?

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Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Is it Ouch Town?

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Population Ubro?

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That sounds corny enough

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that that might be it.

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I'm willing to go with that.

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Yeah.

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So these are all from Dodgeball.

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So the second one is,

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no blank makes me bleed my own blood.

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No one makes me bleed my own blood.

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I swear I said that on this podcast.

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yeah ouch town sushi special

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admiral akbar roll with eel

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sauce in the chat that's a

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that's a name roman but

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also yeah okay there there

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is someone that says thank

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you chuck norris I swear in

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that movie but maybe not

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maybe they dropped the f-bomb

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I got to go back and watch it, okay?

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It's been a minute since I've watched it.

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It's either thank you, Chuck Norris,

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or fuck you, Chuck Norris,

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in any context.

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It's never an in-between.

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I got an ellipsis.

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I think I got to run.

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So I think it's Ouch Town, Population U,

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bro.

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That's what I think it is.

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All right.

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I'm going to go with that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Here we go.

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Sweet.

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And drumroll, please.

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And here we are.

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Yep, ouch town, population you, bro.

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Look at you, dog.

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Now, technically,

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I didn't get all of it

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because the quote is, ooh, ouch town,

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population you, bro.

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But I'm not going to count the ooh.

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I'm not going to count the ooh.

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yeah well there we go we got

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all three so is that per is

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that a donate is that one I

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think it's one guess you

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lost yeah hey fuck me right

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like I guess I guess I did

::

that's funny yeah I don't

::

know we'll defer to Roman

::

on that one that's fine that's fine

::

yeah before we get into some

::

of the movie news

::

specifically brian I want

::

to hear your pixar story I

::

want to let you all know

::

about two comic books I

::

read recently one is very

::

much my shit and the second

::

one is very much brian's

::

shit and that's why I

::

wanted to bring it up so

::

I'm gonna do mine first

::

because it's really easy

::

here's what it is um

::

there's a new ghost writer

::

comic book out there but

::

the ghost writer comic is

::

not with ghost writer it's

::

wolverine becomes ghost

::

writer and it's literally

::

called hellverine that is

::

the name yeah so yeah I saw

::

the title and I was like

::

well I guess I have to get

::

that right like yeah I was

::

looking around there was

::

nobody else in the store

::

and I said it out loud to

::

myself I was like well my

::

hands are kind of tied here like

::

So you have to.

::

The general story is that

::

someone tries to use

::

hellfire to bring back

::

soldiers so the soldiers

::

can be used for the

::

military to go out and do

::

special operations because, of course,

::

they would.

::

Well, that sounds about right.

::

But one of Mephisto takes

::

the spirit of the Ghost

::

Rider away from Johnny

::

Blaze and gives it to Wolverine.

::

Well,

::

it comes out over the course that you

::

find out that it's not

::

actually Wolverine.

::

It's Wolverine's son, Dokken,

::

who now has that.

::

And so Wolverine's being

::

recruited to go and figure out Wolverine.

::

Like what's going on and why

::

his son is a alive and be how he's now.

::

And then imbued with the

::

power of the ghostwriter.

::

Excellent.

::

Okay.

::

I mean, I mean, yeah, you got me.

::

Yeah.

::

The other story, and Brian,

::

this one is very much for you.

::

I started reading this new

::

Avengers run called Avengers Twilight.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Have you read any of this at all?

::

I haven't, but I've heard a lot about it.

::

Doug,

::

you'll have to link these comics in

::

the description.

::

I will.

::

Yes, I absolutely will.

::

Avengers Twilight...

::

is set in like a future

::

world where all your

::

superheroes are old

::

excellent and where all of

::

your superheroes are old

::

Steve Rogers doesn't have

::

the super soldier serum

::

anymore so he's really just

::

an old white guy he's

::

struggling with this

::

identity of like he used to

::

be a symbol that stood for

::

something the America that

::

he stood up for has gone

::

away and has been around

::

That's a lot more of an

::

authoritarian government,

::

so there's curfews that

::

they're enforcing.

::

Also, they didn't get into that,

::

but he does have a Hispanic

::

lover whose name is Rosa,

::

who I don't know.

::

Excellent.

::

We love that.

::

At first,

::

you're not sure if it's his caretaker,

::

but then you're like, oh, no, no, no, no,

::

no.

::

You're just reading it like this.

::

Nope, that's it.

::

But...

::

But anyway, so in the first few pages,

::

they meet in a park,

::

and old Matt Murdock and

::

old Luke Cage and old

::

Captain America are all

::

having a conversation.

::

And the government has been

::

given suits by – so the

::

person in charge of Stark

::

Industries is Tony Stark and –

::

Janet Van Dyne's son because

::

they're married.

::

And this is all like, I'm old.

::

What do I do?

::

Standing up to fascism.

::

I'm no longer in the prime of my days.

::

And the first issue finishes

::

off with Luke Cage convinces him to say,

::

no,

::

we need someone who can stand up and

::

be a symbol again.

::

And the only person I can think of

::

is captain america and so

::

they give him the super

::

soldier serum again and so

::

he comes back and that's

::

how it finishes but as I

::

was reading this I was like

::

these are all fucking brian

::

roush themes like these are

::

all like standing up to

::

fascism yes you're a little

::

bit older I mean we know

::

you're in middle age brian

::

so hey I am like firmly in middle age

::

being older,

::

dealing with what you once

::

were versus what you are now.

::

Oh yeah.

::

It was just like,

::

I read this whole thing and

::

I'll link them in the show notes,

::

but it was like,

::

this was just absolutely spectacular.

::

Oh man.

::

I love that.

::

Yeah.

::

But Brian,

::

you wanted to chat a little bit

::

about Pixar and get into some story time.

::

So Brian, take it away.

::

Welcome to this, our news episode,

::

our potpourri.

::

We're going to be doing a

::

little bit of everything.

::

And one thing that I wanted

::

to bring to our audience,

::

to our listeners, to our co-hosts.

::

We did a bit like this

::

earlier last year when we

::

broke down Chapix.

::

Essentially like...

::

his time at Disney and how awful it was.

::

And we kind of did like a

::

mini story time to break down this giant,

::

like the toilet episode.

::

You didn't have a nice toilet episode.

::

that'll definitely make them

::

go back and watch yeah uh

::

that's when we learned bob

::

eiger lives for those two

::

shower days and we had to

::

figure out if we had a bob

::

eiger bathroom like what

::

would our bob eiger

::

bathroom be um he touches

::

himself to himself probably

::

maybe I don't know uh

::

chapik didn't get that

::

shower office it'll hunt

::

for the rest of his life

::

I'm sure um but uh

::

Bloomberg had a piece that

::

is very intentionally

::

talking to the heads of Pixar,

::

like their leadership team.

::

And it is very much like,

::

I'm going to say it's part

::

puff piece and part like

::

analysis of why the Pixar

::

movies haven't been doing well,

::

but it leaves out a lot.

::

So I'm just going to hit you

::

with some highlights here, please.

::

This piece, it came out Thursday,

::

no Friday.

::

Yeah.

::

No, Thursday,

::

May 30th is when it came out.

::

I didn't have a chance to

::

read it because it's like a

::

12-minute read.

::

There's a lot of details in here.

::

But essentially, it talks about,

::

they were like, hey, ever since 2020,

::

Pixar's been struggling.

::

They don't really put this in context,

::

but it's like financially, basically.

::

And they put up this giant

::

graph I'm going to show you here.

::

And I'm going to present it.

::

Real quick here.

::

Brian is sharing a graph here shortly.

::

We will link the article in

::

the show notes so you can

::

see it yourself.

::

But he is sharing that with

::

us here post-haste.

::

So here it comes.

::

Post-haste.

::

So for some reason, thank you.

::

My privileges are not working.

::

I'll have to re-log into StreamYard.

::

That's a story for another day.

::

Anyway,

::

I'm going to blow this up real quick.

::

Get it together, StreamYard.

::

I know.

::

I had to reset my browser,

::

clear all my cookies, lost all my logins.

::

It's been a whole lot.

::

Anyway.

::

um basically we come to this

::

point where like they had

::

toy story 4 which had made

::

a billion dollars with a b

::

so they're oh my god uh

::

just to like put it into

::

context they did finding

::

dory in 2016 cars 3 coco

::

incredibles 2 toy story 4

::

all bangers like the three

::

of those five movies I

::

listed made a billion

::

dollars so everything

::

except for cars 3 and coco

::

We then get to Onward, like 2020 strikes.

::

Weirdly,

::

they don't talk about Onward in

::

this article a lot,

::

but where they lay a lot of blame is Soul,

::

Luca, Turning Red, and Lightyear.

::

And they talk about these

::

four movies as like...

::

these pariahs they also

::

bring up elemental and how

::

they were like hey you know

::

elemental uh it wasn't a it

::

wasn't a good thing for us

::

and like basically they're

::

talking around all these

::

movies and like well they

::

didn't really perform well

::

They get into how Pixar's cut 175 jobs.

::

They've been restructuring.

::

Basically,

::

the thing that really stood out to me,

::

Pixar the studio has not

::

turned out a profit since 2022.

::

Which is two years ago.

::

Pixar, the studio,

::

has not turned out a profit.

::

Yep.

::

Let me get this right.

::

It's Disney's movie studio.

::

I take it back.

::

Disney as a whole hasn't

::

turned out a profit since 2002.

::

um and they disney blames

::

this on light year and

::

elemental oh that's a bold

::

choice right like you're

::

like you're gonna blame

::

light year and element yes

::

okay uh-huh okay it did

::

It took a while to warm up,

::

but it definitely did.

::

And that's the other thing.

::

This article only mentions

::

it for a sentence.

::

They're like, actually,

::

Elemental went on to have

::

some good tale to it,

::

I think is what they call it.

::

But it was like,

::

it had a terrible opening.

::

I don't like that at all.

::

No, but Elemental made $500 million.

::

It was a success.

::

According to your graph,

::

it did better than The Good Dinosaur.

::

There was another one in

::

there that it did better than.

::

That was right before it

::

went on that hit parade.

::

Pretty much.

::

That's also not good, Teo.

::

That's just great ass.

::

That should be our term here

::

for our movie analysis.

::

This movie's got it.

::

great ass that movie's got a

::

great ass and it's got its

::

head all the way up yeah

::

exactly uh but yeah like

::

elemental ended up doing

::

incredibly well but they're

::

like not so much no no no

::

so like the the pixar

::

people are like interviewed

::

for this article they're

::

like that didn't do well

::

for us um and so it goes on

::

to say that uh elio elio I

::

think I'm saying this right

::

was going to be their next

::

movie which is about a

::

young kid who becomes the

::

ambassador of earth and

::

unexpectedly.

::

But when the strikes happened,

::

all the work stopped,

::

and when they came back,

::

the movie that was farther

::

along to get out was Inside Out 2.

::

So that changed,

::

and they are now banking

::

this whole new redirect,

::

this entire new strategy of

::

not doing these more

::

original premise movies and

::

doing sequels and they're

::

going to start out with

::

like inside out too so doug

::

legion of loons I see your

::

hand um really quick brian

::

and anywhere in this

::

article does it mention the

::

I don't know once in a

::

lifetime global pandemic

::

that we were all living

::

through for three of these

::

movies that came out good

::

boy good boy good boy

::

bizarre how they don't

::

mention it okay cool so

::

like one of the things

::

about it is like they talk

::

about how they they

::

directly talk about on the

::

article like pixar movies

::

started going straight to

::

disney plus which was a

::

decision from chapik of how

::

they wanted to distribute

::

movies pixar no longer got

::

a say and if something was

::

a theatrical movie or a disney plus movie

::

But like they kind of dance

::

around the fact that like, yeah,

::

nobody went to the movie

::

theaters like for 2020 and 2021.

::

So, yeah, yeah, of course,

::

it's going to impact your

::

bottom line and your profits.

::

But like they keep focusing

::

on the movies themselves,

::

which I don't really think

::

are the problem,

::

which really leads me to

::

like the money quote that I feel like.

::

is one of the bigger problems here,

::

which is in it,

::

it kind of weaves its way

::

through the whole piece and

::

I'm going to find it here.

::

Um,

::

If you'll bear with me a moment.

::

Bear on.

::

So basically they talked to

::

the leadership team and

::

Morris is one of the Pixar

::

in the leadership team.

::

So their strategy now

::

basically totally revolves

::

around original movies,

::

movie ideas with sequels

::

and spinoffs to like remind

::

the audience of the Pixar magic.

::

So every hit that they've

::

done is now being

::

considered for a reboot or a sequel.

::

And one of the things that

::

they're saying is like, hey,

::

we don't want to focus on

::

the catharsis of people's

::

personal stories or people

::

who who wrote these and directed these.

::

We want to focus on a broader demographic.

::

So we want to make them not good.

::

yeah um yeah yeah yeah you

::

want to you want to take

::

the reason why they're

::

enjoyable to watch and we

::

want to remove that element

::

the direct quote here from

::

bloomberg it from uh doctor

::

I think is how we pronounce

::

it and I i I think he's the

::

chief creative officer here

::

he's like the studio's

::

movies should be less of a

::

pursuit of any director's

::

catharsis and instead speak

::

to the commonality of experience

::

And I just like, Oh,

::

I know what that means.

::

Exactly what that means.

::

Yep.

::

There it is.

::

And then you look back at

::

the movies that they're like, Oh,

::

we're not,

::

we're not super like excited

::

about the movie about a woman growing up.

::

We're not excited about that.

::

the black man who died and

::

needed to come back for

::

music we're not excited

::

about the two different

::

elements that have a love

::

story but come from

::

different sides of the

::

tracks culture to cultural

::

to cultural reference yeah

::

I know what that means you

::

know exactly what it means

::

it's just like oh no we're

::

not gonna do that I wish we

::

had a dog's I wish we had a

::

dog's barking sound effect

::

yes I wish I would like

::

every time there was one

::

every time that there was

::

one whistled we could just be like

::

like we could just like yeah

::

get it and the wild part is

::

like I guess light year was

::

a really big piece of this

::

foundation of this shift

::

because like they were like

::

oh this is a sequel this is

::

toy story you don't cool

::

story and like it just

::

didn't and it didn't

::

perform well for them well

::

you know why that is brian

::

They had that goddamn

::

general who had a wife when

::

she was a woman,

::

and there were so many

::

things wrong with that,

::

and that was clearly

::

someone's woke agenda.

::

I'm paraphrasing and being... No,

::

that's pretty much it.

::

And so, like,

::

when they did these... So they did, like,

::

all these post-mortems, I guess,

::

in the Pixar studio.

::

Yeah.

::

There it is.

::

Yep, that's who this is.

::

Thank you.

::

Thank you.

::

That's it.

::

Instead,

::

speak to a commonality of experience.

::

That's like the worst.

::

I hate this.

::

Just say you don't want the woke shit.

::

We don't like the diversity

::

of ideas and thoughts.

::

To be honest, just say go woke, go broke.

::

At least I get where

::

you're... You know what I mean?

::

At least I know what you stand for.

::

But you know if you say that

::

to the Disney audience,

::

that they are going to

::

disagree with you because

::

that's the exact reason why

::

people fall for these stories.

::

There's a story for everyone.

::

Well,

::

and the wild thing about it is

::

they're like,

::

this article is basically being like,

::

Inside Out 2 is next.

::

Will they be able to do it?

::

And it's like,

::

Inside Out is like the

::

antithesis of this idea

::

because Inside Out is about

::

a teenage girl with her emotions and

::

I am not a teenage girl with emotions,

::

but I could relate to what

::

Riley was going through.

::

I could relate to that human condition.

::

I can relate to struggling

::

with your feelings and what

::

you want to feel or what

::

you don't want to feel.

::

Hold the phone.

::

Brian,

::

you have emotions that you can

::

relate to that all people have?

::

Yeah.

::

I also have anger.

::

I don't know if people notice.

::

Sounds like leftist bullshit to me.

::

Talking about your feelings.

::

You know what?

::

That's how we get to the

::

wussification of males in this society.

::

You know what?

::

There's just two emotions.

::

Beer drinking and getting in jail.

::

And guns.

::

Because they always slide in guns.

::

Can I push back on the...

::

one of the movie inside out

::

I do feel like inside out

::

is a little bit more broad

::

right because it is yeah it

::

doesn't necessarily focus

::

on the young lady as from

::

what I can remember from

::

the first movie it doesn't

::

really focus on her as her

::

character she's just the

::

kind of vehicle for these

::

generalistic characters

::

that kind of sell toys and

::

sell like those

::

Oh, funky emojis,

::

emoticon type characters.

::

There's like, oh, rage is red.

::

And this is that.

::

That's how I view it.

::

Now, when I look at a movie like Soul,

::

Soul is very specific to

::

this man's experience as a

::

black man and as a like

::

going to the barbershop.

::

That's something that I

::

could see a white director

::

of creativity or whatever

::

the fuck his title is being like,

::

I don't know what that means.

::

So why is it in there?

::

So we don't work it out on me.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Like, so that would be my only pushback in,

::

in that.

::

I don't know why light year

::

kind of gets the bum in.

::

i don't know where that

::

comes I do think you make a

::

good point about inside out

::

and it's the emotions you

::

are probably more seeing

::

than riley itself but like

::

you are I i would say that

::

is coming from like an

::

original place where you

::

were you are really trying

::

to like feel this story

::

like I agree right because

::

like it is the emotions but

::

we're still going through

::

the base beats of like this

::

person if this kid moved

::

she's sad she's running away

::

way yes um and it is this

::

like personal narrative but

::

like it it connects with

::

people like I talk to

::

people and they're like oh

::

inside out I cry

::

immediately like it's just

::

it really hits those

::

strings and so I just think

::

it's so hypocritical that

::

they're like anyway we're

::

doing sequels and the

::

commonality of the

::

experience but we're doing

::

a sequel to the movie that

::

is a very specific

::

experience about this

::

teenage girl and her emotions so yeah

::

i don't know what they're

::

wanting to prove here

::

exactly and the idea that I

::

don't know you something

::

like luca I'm gonna take a

::

step back here really quick

::

this is commentary I'm

::

taking a break from the

::

summary here but like

::

luca's like just about like

::

I'm a fish kid and I'm in

::

an italy town I hope I win

::

this triathlon and it's

::

like this really charming

::

story of this kid growing up

::

And if that would have had a

::

theatrical release,

::

I would have loved to see

::

people's reactions.

::

But these movies never got a chance.

::

Like they just immediately

::

went to Disney Plus and it

::

was to fill the Disney Plus machine.

::

And we've talked about that

::

in our previous episode.

::

And I want to also,

::

I also want to push back on the,

::

on the article itself

::

saying that these movies

::

are the reasons why they did badly.

::

Right.

::

Because I remember right

::

around like the year after

::

Luca came out and the year

::

after soul came out, I remember that year,

::

like January, 2021 is when Brittany,

::

the kids and I went to Disney world.

::

Yeah.

::

And I remember noticing how absent the,

::

luca yeah goal and

::

everything was from their

::

merchandising and from the

::

machine and I was in the

::

heart yeah of like disney

::

territory it's like going

::

over to somebody's house

::

and not seeing a picture of

::

a relative it's like why

::

isn't that there like this

::

is do you guys not like

::

rick like what's his deal

::

like and so it's just yeah

::

it's really weird to not

::

see any of that on there so

::

part of me is like

::

maybe some of the onus is on

::

Disney as a company to say,

::

if you treat a movie like

::

it's the redheaded stepchild,

::

weird that no,

::

if you don't put the machine behind it,

::

weird that it's not going to do well.

::

Well,

::

also the oversaturation of the way

::

that you were pushing out

::

content at that time too, right?

::

To Disney Plus,

::

that goes back to Chapik's

::

idea of uploaded directly to Disney Plus,

::

right?

::

Yeah.

::

And remove the releases process.

::

If you to to Doug,

::

this is just like that was

::

point A. This is point A1.

::

If you don't promote this

::

character from soul like this,

::

this is bad,

::

but I'm struggling to remember his name.

::

Yeah,

::

I think this is a part of what I'm

::

trying to say is I didn't

::

watch the red movie.

::

Turning Red.

::

I did not watch Turning Red.

::

I did not watch Luca.

::

I think we discussed it on this pod.

::

I think you and I did.

::

Yeah, we did a bonus on that,

::

I'm pretty sure.

::

You did.

::

But I didn't.

::

And I don't know,

::

that alignment of

::

characters all has a single

::

thread kind of tied to it.

::

The diversity of the

::

characters themselves.

::

I agree.

::

Because I kind of wanted to

::

play a game of like,

::

can each of you name me

::

three Pixar movies and I

::

would tell you whether they

::

would fall into...

::

disney's new bucket or do

::

they fall into the go woke

::

or go broke bucket

::

seriously I still put

::

inside out in that other

::

category because we've had

::

other stories about young

::

ladies challenging their

::

emotions but just not in

::

this capacity but it's

::

broad enough that you hit

::

that demographic soul is

::

just very fucking specific

::

and luca also feels very fucking specific

::

And turning red is very

::

specific because I think if

::

we're – I think the proof of your point,

::

Marcus,

::

about Inside Out is if you stand

::

it up and you compare it

::

next to turning red,

::

they are essentially –

::

similar similar stories not

::

the exact same story the

::

key differentiator is

::

turning red is told through

::

a asian lens an asian

::

cultural lens and this

::

dynamic that family plays

::

in that environment so

::

inside out can stand is I

::

would put that one bucket

::

but that's why you have to

::

put turning red in the

::

other one it's because this

::

is a very specific cultural

::

experience right

::

I would agree.

::

And I count Inside Out, like,

::

that's a great example.

::

I count Inside Out, I guess,

::

viewing it like Toy Story.

::

You didn't necessarily need Andy.

::

Andy was there,

::

but the story was about the toys.

::

The same with Inside Out.

::

It's like, Riley is there,

::

but it's really about the

::

emotions that are inside of Riley.

::

These other stories that

::

we're told that they are blaming...

::

It's very direct and very, to me,

::

obvious why they're saying

::

it didn't work and why it's

::

not quote unquote broad

::

enough or the thing that connects us all.

::

In reading this piece,

::

you learn that Pixar,

::

and some people might know this,

::

but the way Pixar does

::

their movies is like when they are,

::

when they, during the process,

::

their brain trust of leadership.

::

Like they'll give feedback

::

to directors and the

::

leadership team of that movie,

::

but they have no direct control over it.

::

And the more you think about it,

::

the more it makes sense for like,

::

even their ups and downs,

::

like the down of cars to being like,

::

we're going to be a spy thriller.

::

It's like, okay, whatever.

::

I guess you can try this.

::

And then you get like those

::

high highs of Coco, where it's like,

::

his little boy's going to die.

::

Yeah.

::

he's gonna go to the

::

afterlife and I mean I know

::

there's some magic thudgery

::

happening but the story's

::

like anyway he's he's gonna

::

go to heaven he's he's dead

::

and if he stays there he's

::

really dead well yeah he

::

somehow it gets I mean

::

that's essentially it brian

::

it's just the way you

::

phrased it he doesn't have

::

to die to get there but

::

he's there too long yeah

::

That guy is going to get a skeleton.

::

He's dead.

::

Exactly.

::

Oh, yes.

::

The commonality of language.

::

The dog whistle.

::

Yes.

::

We're firing on all cylinders tonight,

::

people.

::

And Coco, it made $800 million.

::

Fuck.

::

I didn't know that.

::

Oh, shit.

::

Yeah.

::

Trying to meet his dad.

::

Like, that's what that movie's about.

::

And then you want to look at flipping,

::

I don't know, soul and be like...

::

But you didn't promote.

::

I agree with Doug.

::

I don't know those characters.

::

I watched.

::

So I was hanging out with Megan.

::

Sorry, this is dragging.

::

Do it.

::

Do it.

::

Hanging out with my friend,

::

my really good friend, Megan Richard Shaw,

::

who is married to Dr. John Little,

::

for those that want another

::

reference to who's been on

::

the podcast before.

::

Yep.

::

So those are my two close friends.

::

Six degrees of black and white.

::

I get it.

::

I love it.

::

Six.

::

I'll take that one later.

::

So we all,

::

we were hanging out and she

::

wanted to go to the store

::

in Hawaii that the only

::

other place they had this

::

bag from Moana with the pig on it,

::

the character of the pig

::

was in this store.

::

I forgot the name of the store.

::

It was like a LaVray something.

::

I would have never gone to

::

that store as a single black man.

::

I would have never guessed

::

to walk in that store.

::

Anyway,

::

She said the only two places

::

they had it was at Disney and this,

::

and she took the time and

::

she wanted to go and find this character.

::

That's the type of

::

dedication and being tied

::

to a character that you

::

need that I don't think

::

they did with Eternals.

::

I don't think that they...

::

They also didn't do it with Eternals.

::

That was a good crossover.

::

Well done.

::

That was deliberate.

::

We got it.

::

We know.

::

That was intentional.

::

But they just didn't do it

::

with these other movies for

::

me to build a...

::

I think at one point they

::

tried to put out golden

::

clippers for soul as part of like,

::

I don't know.

::

It was like,

::

I don't know the fuck going on, but,

::

and that's Jamie fucking Fox.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Like that's a, that's a big fucking deal.

::

Oh God.

::

I forgot.

::

Yeah.

::

What more do you want people

::

like that should be a

::

knockout the fucking part.

::

So that's yeah.

::

Sorry.

::

Go keep going.

::

No, you're fine.

::

I mean,

::

so basically that they that's the

::

part of the article.

::

That's the part where it's just like, oh,

::

I know what you mean when

::

you mean you want to tell

::

like more broad and common experiences.

::

And that's that's crap.

::

And you're going to make

::

your stuff so much more bland.

::

Ask Warner Brothers how that's going.

::

That's a great question.

::

Ask Sony how that's going.

::

In fact, before you make that decision,

::

go to Netflix and watch

::

Morbius and see how that

::

works out for you.

::

Or Madam Whip.

::

Or fuck Madam Whip.

::

Yeah.

::

Just trying to find this

::

mass appeal thing is like...

::

I hate it.

::

They want, it's just,

::

it's just such a clear

::

money grab and what Pixar

::

it's what Pixar wasn't for

::

so long and why you could

::

count on it to be a step

::

above everything.

::

Even when the competition

::

got more fierce with like

::

illumination studios with

::

despicable me or Kung Fu Panda,

::

anything like that from dreamworks,

::

like Pixar just had the special sauce.

::

And so now what I'm going to

::

end with is that there's

::

seen one of their senior VPs.

::

I'm trying to find her name.

::

Lindsay Collins is now,

::

tasked with essentially

::

looking back at all the

::

pixar stuff and from 2027

::

onwards just finding a way

::

to make new movies with

::

everything from the past so

::

she essentially has the job

::

of being like how can we

::

make a spin off of cars or

::

how can we make a sequel to

::

finding dory they tried

::

that it was called planes

::

and nobody wanted to watch

::

it I forgot about this fucking movie

::

You've done this before, man.

::

I remember that.

::

What's the story from

::

Finding Nemo going to be?

::

Oh, by the way,

::

you know those two crabs

::

that were from Boston and arguing?

::

We made a whole fucking movie about them.

::

You think that that's not true,

::

but that's exactly what's

::

going to happen.

::

That's exactly what's going to happen.

::

Lindsay, call me.

::

I can help.

::

There's such a good quote here, too.

::

She has teenage children.

::

She mentions this in the article.

::

This is a quote.

::

Her son, Cash,

::

reminds her that sequels

::

shouldn't feel opportunistic.

::

Quote from Lindsay Collins.

::

The other day, I was like,

::

what if I told you we were

::

making Incredibles 3?

::

Yeah.

::

Her son, quote, said, money grab.

::

Shut up to that motherfucker.

::

Shut up, Cash.

::

You got a seat on this pod, sir.

::

Because, yeah, he called it immediately.

::

And she mentions this in the article.

::

And that's her entire job is

::

to look back and by 2027

::

have a whole slate of

::

movies that are related to

::

everything that came before

::

basically 2019.

::

That's just crazy.

::

it's it feels like a death

::

spiral and I hope somebody

::

talks them out of it but I

::

mean like I don't want to

::

see a bug's life a buggy

::

life a buggy your life I

::

don't want to see monsters

::

university to senior year I

::

don't I don't a buggy your

::

life I don't know man like

::

I don't want to see the

::

good dinosaur meteorite bug

::

hugabalooza I don't know

::

like it's just it's a

::

meteorite hugabalooza

::

Hugging a meteorite as a

::

dinosaur is crazy.

::

We're going to do a Toy

::

Story movie that's about a

::

yo-yo that we call Ups and Downs.

::

They already have Toy Story

::

5 in the pipeline,

::

so it means that she'll probably be like,

::

hey, what if we did a Toy Story 6,

::

but it's just Bonnie.

::

It's just the girl that had the toys,

::

but not the toys themselves.

::

andy andy comes back and

::

adopts bonnie and now they

::

both have the same kid it's

::

gonna be so this is where I

::

mean like say what you want

::

about the movie sausage

::

party it's gross sure but I

::

do appreciate like you need

::

a seth rogan in there to be

::

like seth rogan I want you

::

to write a toy story-esque movie

::

oh man that is just about

::

the toys that you buy in

::

that special section of

::

walmart um that you walk by

::

and look at and go yep not

::

today but then you keep

::

walking like and like that

::

I want to like you call it

::

growing up like I don't

::

know you could do anything

::

there but you kind of want

::

them to do it I kind of

::

want them to do it just to do it

::

I mean,

::

the idea of the rejects has kind of

::

been touched on in some of

::

the Toy Story stuff,

::

but the idea that it's, like, a full-on,

::

like, these are, like,

::

the Suicide Squad of Toy Story,

::

that would be really funny to me.

::

With a lovable plug as the lead.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah, I'm into it.

::

And then they, like,

::

I would love a sequence where they meet,

::

like, the A-plus toys, and they're like,

::

well, we're not like you.

::

You suck.

::

I don't know.

::

Okay, all right.

::

I have a question.

::

The butt plug is an A-plus toy?

::

Oh, no, it's technically a B-toy.

::

No, I was talking about Toy Story toys.

::

Marcus, Marcus,

::

a butt plug is a Suicide Squad toy.

::

It knows where it's going.

::

We took a huge turn in it.

::

Marcus, Marcus, that has a specific use.

::

okay like it's so butt plugs

::

and anal no one's oh that

::

was not the choice I was

::

thinking of okay brian I

::

said a lovable butt plug

::

and you're like I'm into it

::

I was like fuck brian I

::

definitely didn't hear that

::

no so you what you dropped

::

out but I heard you loud

::

and clear even when you

::

dropped out yeah that's

::

yeah that's why I like

::

these see that's how my

::

internet comes back to bite you

::

yeah so Toy Story 7 takes

::

place in Spencer's Gifts

::

pretty much I mean the

::

audience would have grown

::

up by then Toy Story came

::

out in like 1999 I want to

::

say nipple piercings as

::

toys speakable figures

::

played by played by who's

::

the lady that I don't

::

really care for sometimes Awkwafina

::

i thought I was trying to

::

think about the academy

::

award-winning actor meryl

::

streep plays the meryl

::

streep does not like meryl

::

I do not narrow street

::

plays the nudie pen that

::

when you turn it one way

::

it's closed comes off

::

honestly this isn't too far

::

off actually like I'm

::

waiting for mark strong to

::

be like the inappropriate

::

t-shirt that never gets picked up but

::

Anyway,

::

we are that that is pretty much

::

that that is a summary of

::

this Pixar piece.

::

It's really sad because it

::

just really feels like

::

Pixar looked at the past and was like,

::

these movies could could I

::

be out of touch and maybe

::

people didn't want to go to

::

movie theaters from 2020 to

::

like recently?

::

No, the stories must have been awful.

::

Like it's lazy.

::

It's just all the wrong lessons.

::

That's probably woke agenda, right?

::

I mean,

::

it also doesn't help that Chapik

::

basically hijacked all of

::

their hard work to just

::

make Disney Plus look better.

::

And they didn't even get a

::

chance to have it in a theater.

::

And now Bob Iger is in the

::

unenviable position of like, look,

::

I know you all make good movies,

::

but we need bangers and we

::

need them back.

::

You know,

::

like that's why they're doing

::

Frozen 3 and Toy Story 5

::

because he knows he's got to fix it.

::

And, you know,

::

sequels are the way to do it.

::

So it's funny.

::

There's a quote in here that

::

I'll end with is some of

::

the Pixar employees were like, oh,

::

once we once we start doing

::

straight to streaming.

::

it's a death spiral.

::

And it's like, man,

::

I think this is a death

::

spiral of just taking out any edge,

::

like just rubbing all the

::

edges down until there's

::

nothing left that everybody

::

can grab onto.

::

When it's just like,

::

you keep doing that and

::

there's going to be nothing

::

there to hold.

::

Like it's just, it's sad.

::

Cause it used Pixar used to

::

be this like symbol of quality.

::

And after reading this, it's like,

::

I don't know, will it be in five years?

::

I don't know, man.

::

And I don't want to tie the basic, uh,

::

I don't want to tie the

::

basic or unseasoned to just

::

being like white creators

::

because I don't think that that's fair,

::

right?

::

It's not a matter of like

::

white versus people of

::

color who provide a better story.

::

There's a story that comes from all of us.

::

I think what I'm more

::

disappointed is the diversity of thought,

::

right?

::

The diversity of ideas that come from

::

um super creatives we've

::

interviewed creatives on

::

this podcast yeah yes we

::

talk to creatives all of

::

all three of us are

::

creatives and yeah

::

different capacities like

::

we have a certain itch that

::

we have and when you go and

::

you try to box us in to

::

just duplicate the same

::

thing and not offer like a

::

new voice to anything right

::

that may it will work for a

::

couple years a few years of

::

course yeah but you'll end

::

up in the same boat that

::

you were when they started

::

telling those stories in the

::

now what or somebody else

::

will pick that up and

::

there's other options where

::

people can tell their story

::

or do it on their own and

::

make a shit ton of money

::

and then you try to hire

::

them on the back end I just

::

think you are I don't know

::

you're playing a dangerous

::

game there but yeah I don't

::

like it yeah I don't like it but yeah

::

Well, you know what, Brian,

::

a way to break it down.

::

We were kind of acting a

::

little foolish there for a while.

::

You broke that down real well.

::

You did.

::

Hey, that's all right.

::

Thanks for letting me do a

::

story time moment here with

::

this giant Bloomberg piece.

::

You can you can link it and

::

you can subscribe if you want.

::

But it is a chunker of an article.

::

There's some history of Pixar in there.

::

If that's your jam with

::

Steve Jobs and Lucasfilm

::

and how that all came to be.

::

So if that's your jam, check it out.

::

Otherwise,

::

that's that's the highlights here.

::

Awesome.

::

uh we got a glimpse speaking

::

of sort of chunkers and

::

movies that we're not sure

::

how they're gonna work out

::

we got the trailer for

::

venom 3 the final chapter

::

today oh yeah and the last

::

dance whatever the last last dance

::

final chapter I don't know

::

um and I kind of want to

::

talk a little bit about

::

like what we saw in the

::

trailer because this has

::

been real I mean we've seen

::

some like shots that tom

::

hardy has released from

::

like through instagram of

::

like different things um

::

but I kind of wanted to

::

talk about what we saw in

::

the trailer um somebody

::

want to give it a breakdown

::

I can try but does anybody

::

else want to give it a

::

breakdown I mean there's um

::

Oh, you can... I mean... No, go.

::

I'll eat all you, man.

::

All right.

::

So, boom.

::

We have the dynamic duo back again.

::

Guess who's back?

::

Back again.

::

Or ground control.

::

Ground control.

::

That was a song that they

::

used in the trailer.

::

And so, Eddie Brock and Venom are back.

::

And you see them kind of

::

doing their little tag team duo thing.

::

They're eating the heads off the bad guys,

::

which is fair, right?

::

You know, that's the rule.

::

You eat the heads off the bad guys.

::

And they are...

::

Kind of they're in sync.

::

They're in lockstep with each other.

::

It seems like there's a

::

soldier and he is played by

::

his name is I want to get his name right.

::

He has a very long name,

::

but a very talented actor.

::

It's a soldier or scientist

::

capturing different pieces

::

of venom from Venom's

::

original home planet from

::

the symbiote planet.

::

And so.

::

You can see the different

::

types of venom that they've

::

captured already.

::

They kind of go and they

::

tease the capture of that

::

loose piece of venom of symbiote.

::

I'm sorry.

::

Keep calling it venom symbiote.

::

That was at the end of the No Way Home.

::

Was it No Way Home credit scenes?

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah, it's No Way Home.

::

No Way Home.

::

And so that was crawling across the bar.

::

They captured that one that

::

was at the bar because

::

they're trying to tell people,

::

we're not trying to let this get out.

::

And in order for us not to

::

let this get out,

::

there's a war that's coming.

::

They have different type of

::

animals that are coming

::

down from Venom's planet,

::

like symbiote type animals.

::

And

::

In order to put a bow on

::

this thing or kind of like

::

keep people from in a panic

::

or prepare for this war,

::

they have to kill all the

::

symbiote or capture all the symbiote,

::

I'm guessing,

::

which includes Venom and Eddie.

::

So Venom and Eddie are now

::

on the outs being chased by

::

different respective parties.

::

It seems like Venom is being

::

chased by people from his

::

home planet and things, people, whatever,

::

from his home planet.

::

And Eddie is being chased by, obviously,

::

soldiers and people from his planet.

::

They're going to work

::

together to kind of do this last dance.

::

And it seems like it's all on the line,

::

like death is...

::

The running the theme or the

::

subtext is like till death do they part.

::

Chiwetel Ejiofor I think

::

that's how you say it yeah

::

he was in 12 Years a Slave

::

Doctor Strange he was in a

::

lot of things yeah he's

::

outstanding yeah that was a

::

great summary that was

::

perfect that was spot on

::

I mean, really, I guess, you don't really,

::

it doesn't,

::

I will give this trailer its credit.

::

We've complained about this

::

before when trailers give

::

away too much in the trailer itself.

::

This plays stuff pretty close to the vest.

::

There's not a lot there that

::

they give away.

::

I couldn't tell you what

::

this movie is about.

::

Other than what Marcus said,

::

I couldn't tell you what

::

the big reveal is.

::

I'm seeing some rumors fly

::

around that they're trying

::

to do a tie-in to the Marvel storyline,

::

The King in Black,

::

but I really hope that they don't,

::

because that would make

::

me... To not give that your

::

full attention.

::

That's a big storyline,

::

so for those of you that don't know,

::

The King in Black is a

::

storyline that came out a

::

few years ago that was about,

::

essentially...

::

Null, who is the king of all the symbiotes,

::

finally sends all of his

::

forces to Earth and

::

everybody has to try to stand up to him.

::

But it puts Eddie Brock and

::

his son at the center as

::

being the one person who

::

can sort of like stand up to it all.

::

And they're trying to say

::

that some of the animals

::

that Marcus is referencing...

::

look very similar to the

::

creatures that are sent down that way.

::

But man, I don't know.

::

That seems like a really big stretch.

::

And that seems a lot for a

::

movie of this caliber.

::

And I kind of don't... No, not kind of.

::

I don't want that.

::

I do not want that at all.

::

Even if it's what they typically... Oh,

::

sorry.

::

Go ahead, bro.

::

No, I...

::

No, you do your thing,

::

and then I have an MCU

::

question after that.

::

Oh, okay.

::

More so, like,

::

even if they do the thing

::

where they try to take

::

pieces of that story,

::

because we kind of saw it

::

with the Carnage story,

::

and we saw it with, I mean, Venom 2,

::

Let There Be Carnage.

::

They took bits and pieces of

::

the villain and Carnage,

::

and they didn't tell the whole story,

::

but they just told a piece of it.

::

Is that what you're not wanting?

::

Yes.

::

I either want you to do it,

::

because here's the reason why.

::

This is Tom Hardy's last Venom movie,

::

or at least as far as we can tell,

::

it's his last Venom movie.

::

So part of me wants to say,

::

because he's played the character so well,

::

even though he sounds like

::

Bane when he's doing Venom...

::

You've played the character so well.

::

There's a part of me that's like,

::

hasn't this man who's put

::

these previous two movies on his back?

::

Hasn't he sort of earned his

::

showdown with Spider-Man at

::

some point in time?

::

Yeah.

::

Like hasn't, hasn't he earned that?

::

That's rumored.

::

I have a theory about it,

::

but I want to hear what Brian has first.

::

Okay.

::

This ties in.

::

So I was confused and I

::

wanted to talk about it on

::

the podcast because when I

::

watched the trailer, um,

::

the soldier,

::

he captures the symbiote that

::

we're alluding to at the

::

end of No Way Home.

::

And feel free to correct me,

::

but I thought that in No

::

Way Home it was implied

::

that Eddie came from a different...

::

like multiverse.

::

Okay,

::

so I'm confused if that they captured

::

it there.

::

Like the two ways I logic stay there.

::

Yeah,

::

is it are they the soldiers are not

::

traveling the multiverse or to

::

eddie is eddie in the same

::

universe but he got

::

teleported back I don't

::

like that's the part where

::

I'm like if you can nail

::

that part I I'll probably

::

be more invested in this

::

movie okay but right now

::

it's a little confusing

::

because it's like you're

::

telling me he came from a

::

different universe but this

::

soldier guy that he's having issues with

::

is in the Spider-Man No Way Home universe.

::

So I'm very curious how

::

they're going to untangle that.

::

What I'm going to say is

::

going to sound really shitty.

::

This is from the same studio

::

that brought you Matt and

::

Webb and Morbius.

::

So there's a part of me that's like,

::

they're probably not going to address it.

::

They're not going to address it at all.

::

Third option, they don't care.

::

They don't give a fuck about it.

::

And they're just going to

::

hope you didn't see No Way Home.

::

Or it's because...

::

Sony is still building their,

::

they look like they're

::

putting a bow on their

::

weird Spider-Man boneless universe.

::

Yes.

::

And they're trying to build

::

something that's a

::

Spider-Man villain universe.

::

I'm not really sure what it is.

::

A boneless Spider-Man universe.

::

A boneless Spider-Man.

::

It's just what it is.

::

Just a limp Spider-Man on

::

the street that has no bones.

::

He's just like this wet pizza,

::

just being like, I'm coming!

::

He's just rolling over himself.

::

Someone throw me at the villain!

::

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

::

I feel like it could go

::

maybe two ways if I had my own theory.

::

when Eddie and Venom disappear,

::

they could disappear to the

::

same place in their universe, right?

::

So the same bar exists.

::

It just exists in two different places.

::

And or the symbiote split itself again,

::

right?

::

So while it got transported back,

::

that one was crawling on

::

the bar in Eddie's universe,

::

but the other one did

::

sliver away because the

::

rumor is for Spider-Man 4,

::

the black suit will be a

::

part of that story.

::

Unless they have a

::

completely different way of

::

going about introducing.

::

But how do you do that

::

without having a Venom?

::

I think they're both having

::

the same issue.

::

One has a Venom.

::

One has a Spider-Man.

::

Both don't have each other.

::

I mean the only other way I

::

could think that they would

::

do it is in the Marvel side of things.

::

You give them a black suit

::

because you're really

::

hoping for that Secret Wars piece.

::

But I don't know the timing of things.

::

And that's – again,

::

that's a lot to have to lay

::

foundationally.

::

So I don't know.

::

This just – this feels really messy.

::

Yeah.

::

sony messy spider-man we're

::

in our element oh I mean oh

::

my gosh like even how

::

spider-man gets the suit in

::

the original like original

::

original secret wars is

::

just like dude literally

::

goes up to a machine and

::

he's like what's this and

::

pushes a button and a black

::

ball pops out and he's like

::

it's a suit and we go on

::

our merry way it doesn't

::

turn out to be a symbiote

::

until like 30 or 40 issues later yeah

::

Yeah.

::

And so, I mean, I'm going to give it,

::

I'll probably,

::

I'll probably see it

::

because I want to support.

::

I like Tom Hardy.

::

I like what he's done with this.

::

I think despite it feeling really sort of,

::

he's done a,

::

they've done a good job

::

trying to give it some

::

level of a through line here.

::

And even though it sort of

::

felt like with just the

::

Venom side of things,

::

it's been a little all over the place,

::

it's still been good.

::

Like I said,

::

I feel like he's done such a

::

good job playing Eddie

::

Brock and Venom together

::

that I feel like he's sort

::

of earned a Spider-Man

::

showdown at this point.

::

I agree.

::

It'll be a different version of Eddie,

::

I think.

::

I think that's a good opportunity to do.

::

Oh,

::

if he still exists in the other

::

Spider-Man universe, he just...

::

Eddie Brock looks different.

::

They don't know each other.

::

Peter and Eddie don't know

::

of each other because Peter

::

no longer exists and Eddie

::

Brock will be a different

::

version of Eddie Brock in

::

this universe who's not a hero.

::

He will be that asshole.

::

I still think you can get it.

::

I still think you can get

::

that Venom Spider-Man.

::

They have to at some point, right?

::

I mean,

::

I feel like they would be foolish not to.

::

That's such an untapped opportunity.

::

They're also scared not to repeat.

::

They don't want to repeat.

::

No, they don't.

::

I mean,

::

I think the bonkers thing about

::

this is like,

::

venom and spider-man's like

::

rival rivalry I think is

::

maybe the best way to say

::

it is is so fun because it

::

it always dives into hey

::

this is like the mirror

::

version of yourself and how

::

do you deal with that

::

because there's parts of

::

you that like it right and

::

that's something that I've

::

always enjoyed about this

::

story of venom and

::

spider-man and have it

::

always being this like

::

not Romeo and Juliet.

::

I mean, I guess it could be romantic,

::

but it's just like, they're always,

::

they're always fighting each other.

::

They're always opposing each other.

::

Like it's, it's the Sisyphus thing.

::

You can only roll the

::

boulder up so many times.

::

I keep it.

::

Like you have,

::

this conflict keeps

::

happening in different ways,

::

which I think is engaging.

::

So it is just kind of a

::

bummer to just not even

::

being able to have these

::

two characters connect in

::

any meaningful way.

::

And like the business brain in me is like,

::

man, if I was Marvel, I'd be like, Hey,

::

make this one last movie with Tom Hardy.

::

Cause like,

::

We're taking it from here or

::

like we need to find a way

::

to integrate it into the MCU.

::

And like,

::

that's just kind of what it feels like,

::

even though there's nothing

::

public or any leverage out there.

::

But like,

::

I think I think the I think Kevin,

::

we all know who Kevin is.

::

I think Kevin knows that

::

they need that if they're

::

going to do any more Spider-Man stories.

::

Listen here, Kevin.

::

Moving forward.

::

It definitely feels like

::

from Tom Hardy's previous statements,

::

that weird interview he did

::

at a golf thing, if you remember that.

::

He's like, yeah,

::

can't wait to do Spider-Man.

::

We're doing Spider-Man 4.

::

We're in development.

::

It makes me think there's a

::

connection there that they're like,

::

close the chapter, be done, and then

::

We're bringing Venom.

::

We're bringing Venom over to

::

the MCU because then

::

there's a whole lot of

::

other things you can do.

::

But yeah,

::

what a weird twisted tale for

::

this Sony Venom.

::

From a success to just an

::

oddball character in that universe.

::

And Brian,

::

I think one thing that you mentioned,

::

like I think to your point

::

is I think that that

::

dichotomy between

::

Spider-Man and Venom plays

::

out really well in the

::

Spider-Man 2 video game because literally,

::

literally Venom in that

::

feels like Spider-Man is told power,

::

responsibility, like that side of things.

::

What if you just stopped

::

caring about the

::

responsibility piece and

::

you got all the power like that?

::

That there is such an

::

interesting like it does

::

that that part of it really, really well.

::

So, yeah.

::

um any other thoughts on

::

venom the final chapter or

::

whatever it is I'm excited

::

to watch it last dance I i

::

am excited to watch it I

::

still got it wrong no

::

you're fine I don't know

::

like I'm still I'm still

::

excited like the venom

::

movies are just fun like

::

chocolate yeah they are hot

::

like I still think about

::

that when I'm like really

::

really hungry and I'm hangry and

::

I just think of that first

::

Venom movie and it's like,

::

I want chocolate and tater tots.

::

I'm like, hey, that's me.

::

Got it.

::

Tater tots.

::

Sorry, I wasn't.

::

I was doing my Tom Hardy voice.

::

You said chocolate and tater

::

tots and I was like,

::

please don't eat that.

::

Together.

::

I'm excited.

::

That wasn't what I heard.

::

I did not hear tater tots.

::

Oh my.

::

What did you hear?

::

It rhymes with tater tots,

::

but it's damn sure ain't tater tots.

::

That's all I'm going to be

::

able to think about.

::

Tune in the next episode.

::

I'm going to be up at night

::

with a big list on my wall

::

like tater tots.

::

Greasy thoughts.

::

That's not it.

::

Greasy thoughts.

::

T-H-O-T-S.

::

Not the thought in your head.

::

Here's what we got.

::

I did want to talk a little

::

bit about predator because

::

there was an exciting revelation.

::

So I don't know if y'all heard this,

::

this kind of flew on the radar for me,

::

but we are getting another

::

Dan Trachtenberg predator movie.

::

Um, I don't think it has a release date,

::

but it is going to be a

::

followup to the Hulu movie prey,

::

which was though,

::

which was set in 1719 and

::

started Amber Thunder, um,

::

as a Comanche woman.

::

Um, yes, this one though,

::

just got announced that L Fanning,

::

From Mary Shelley,

::

from How to Talk to Girls at Parties,

::

from The Box Trolls.

::

That's not a good one.

::

Maleficent, We Bought a Zoo, Super 8.

::

From all of those movies,

::

she got tapped to lead in that.

::

So she is going to be, I think,

::

the thing against the Predator.

::

And the movie is called Badlands.

::

Um,

::

which I can only assume means that it

::

is exclusively about the song Badlands.

::

Um,

::

In the Badlands.

::

Who's the fucking artist?

::

Who's the fucking artist?

::

From New Jersey.

::

What's his name?

::

Bruce Springsteen.

::

In the Badlands.

::

The time it took him to set

::

his own joke up.

::

I still think it's funny.

::

It's exclusively about

::

someone who's a roadie for

::

Bruce Springsteen when the

::

album comes out.

::

But they also said that

::

there's like a bunch of Dan

::

Trachtenberg stories that

::

are being slated for in development.

::

So THR reported in February

::

that in addition to Badlands,

::

20th Century Fox has a

::

bunch of prejudical

::

projects in development.

::

And Dan Trachtenberg is at

::

the center of all of them.

::

So he's sort of...

::

dictating and moving the

::

Predator universe.

::

Okay.

::

The Predverse, where it needs to be.

::

The Prediverse?

::

The PCU?

::

The Predator Cinematic Universe?

::

The Predator Cinematic Universe.

::

But yeah, so anyway.

::

That's what the Google

::

search on Pornhub is.

::

The PCU.

::

It's just not in that order.

::

It's not in that order.

::

The rapper in me,

::

that makes perfect sense.

::

PCU, it sounds like.

::

You know what I mean?

::

I got you.

::

We'll workshop it.

::

We'll workshop it for you.

::

But we were really high on that movie.

::

We loved it.

::

I mean, that was one of our highlights.

::

When we did our movie bracket,

::

that one made it a long way

::

because we were really jacked about,

::

you know,

::

just the story itself was just really,

::

really well done.

::

And so I'm excited to see

::

what they do with it because, I mean,

::

with him back leading it,

::

Elle Fanning is a great actress,

::

so I'm excited to see what

::

they do with this.

::

She most recently has been

::

in The Great on Hulu.

::

Yeah.

::

I've seen a few episodes of

::

that and she's been, I mean,

::

she's been super

::

entertaining and great and very happy,

::

very happy to see that

::

they're making a sequel.

::

Like I knew that Badlands was announced,

::

but I'm very happy.

::

It's not in development hell

::

and they have a lead moving

::

forward with it because man,

::

that was just one of the

::

movies during that weird 2020,

::

2021 time where it was like, no, this is,

::

this is like a movie you see in a theater.

::

And like,

::

I had that realization about a

::

quarter of the way through it.

::

So very excited to go see

::

this in a theater.

::

Cause man, like if,

::

if it's that same magic as pray,

::

like I'm in, I have to be awesome in it.

::

Yeah, it's going to be really awesome.

::

Marcus, anything that you have?

::

A couple questions.

::

Maybe a couple questions,

::

but I just want to

::

highlight some of the

::

things that I did watch on the plane.

::

One, Doug,

::

I left all of your comic books

::

sitting on top of a speaker,

::

and they did not make it in my book bag.

::

Excellent.

::

Oh, that's fun.

::

Not on purpose.

::

Completely on accident.

::

I thought you were going to

::

say that you left them in Hawaii,

::

and I've been like, oh, cool,

::

someone will read them there.

::

No.

::

I would never do that.

::

That was the biggest thing I

::

was afraid of.

::

But no, I got on a plane and was like,

::

time to read some comics.

::

Shit was not in my bag.

::

But John Little gave me,

::

Dr. John Little gave me I Am Bane Part 3.

::

So I read that.

::

That was really good.

::

That was a great read.

::

Doug,

::

you would love that if you haven't

::

read it already.

::

I bet I would.

::

A couple things I watched.

::

Some of this is over the

::

shoulder of people while

::

they had captions on,

::

so I'm also just... Excellent.

::

Good.

::

I love it for that guy.

::

That makes me happy.

::

This was great.

::

I was watching like five

::

different things at one time,

::

also simultaneously.

::

Which, for your ADD, is fucking perfect.

::

I was having a great time.

::

It was like the perfect

::

little slot down the line,

::

like down the row,

::

where you could see all the stuff.

::

He was like, fuck yeah, great choices,

::

everybody.

::

So, I watched... You three head.

::

You change it.

::

I don't like you.

::

Hey, great job, everybody else.

::

Great job.

::

The Beekeeper with Jason Statham.

::

That looked really good.

::

Great action throughout.

::

I wasn't sure what the plot was,

::

but it's basically every

::

other Jason Statham plot.

::

This guy probably wanted to

::

just take care of bees and

::

be retired and not kill people,

::

and then they made him kill people.

::

But it was good.

::

The violence was great.

::

I enjoyed myself.

::

Bob Marley, One Love.

::

I did watch that.

::

I had that one actually I

::

was watching and that was like a good,

::

it was like a documentary

::

telling of Bob Marley with

::

our guy who was the Skrull leader.

::

The Secret Invasion.

::

The Secret Invasion, yeah.

::

So that was good.

::

Then somebody watched American Fiction.

::

And then John Little watched

::

American Fiction and said

::

that that was good.

::

So I was watching over the shoulder.

::

So I need to go back and

::

finish that one and watch it for real.

::

I watched Superman.

::

Of course,

::

when I got on the plane and then

::

I watched it was something else.

::

I watched it.

::

That was like, oh,

::

I've been meaning to watch

::

this.

::

I've been meaning to watch this.

::

I watched it.

::

They did have Dune 1 and 2,

::

but I never got a chance to

::

get around to it.

::

That was my watching.

::

Listening,

::

I listened to that entire

::

playlist of music.

::

If y'all want me to review it,

::

I will do a bonus episode

::

and just a quick review

::

somewhere later on down the

::

road of the music that I did listen to.

::

Then I wanted to get into reading,

::

but the flights were so long.

::

I was itching.

::

It was so much stuff.

::

I'm going to do this, that, and the third.

::

Then I got on a plane and was like,

::

I'm going to sleep.

::

you know what I mean like

::

that's oh yeah but I got a

::

great list from brian and

::

on things to read and gary

::

recommendations too I

::

bought a fantastic four

::

full circle by alex ross

::

graphic novel in hawaii

::

beautiful beautiful piece

::

uh beautiful beautiful

::

piece um it's great yeah

::

I'd have to show it to you

::

I'm looking at it right now

::

I'd have to go grab it but oh

::

That's amazing.

::

So, there was that.

::

I had questions.

::

Brian, Roush.

::

What's up?

::

For you.

::

Captain America,

::

the brave new... I don't

::

even know what the title is.

::

It is on its 17,000th reshoot.

::

Yes.

::

What does this mean?

::

I mean, like... So, right, like,

::

these movies, like,

::

when you're getting above $100,

::

$200 million, reshoots are normal, right?

::

Because there's a lot riding on it.

::

But I...

::

It does make me pause

::

because it's a lot... This

::

is like the second or third

::

round of reshoots.

::

One is understandable.

::

It's a big movie with lots

::

of moving parts.

::

But if we're on our third set of reshoots,

::

I think...

::

It signals to me that it

::

might be bigger than the movie.

::

I think it might be MCU reshoot stuff.

::

Maybe a character's there

::

that isn't supposed to be there.

::

Or we need to introduce

::

somebody because this other

::

movie isn't happening.

::

That would be my guess for

::

Brave New World.

::

I'm going to keep going.

::

This is just rapid fire.

::

This one is for everybody.

::

Warner Brothers reportedly

::

wants to make a Barbie

::

sequel with or without Greta Gerwig.

::

but not out there.

::

Don't do that.

::

The Boys will probably go

::

longer than its intended

::

five-season plan.

::

The director, I think,

::

is the one who said no one

::

was ever more wrong in all

::

of human history about how

::

many seasons this show was

::

going to go other than this guy,

::

meaning himself.

::

So there is that.

::

Any...

::

I mean, I'm not surprised.

::

I mean, people love that show.

::

Even if they haven't read the comics,

::

they can say they love that show.

::

So no surprises there.

::

I mean, I think Amazon,

::

they didn't know what they had.

::

And then when it blew up the way it did,

::

they're like, this is our MCU.

::

So I definitely think it's

::

going to run out of juice.

::

I still think we got another

::

two or three seasons before we get there.

::

And it's so different from

::

the graphic novel that I

::

think they'll continue to

::

have ideas for it and draw from it.

::

Because the graphic novel is not...

::

It's not the show.

::

If you like The Boys,

::

don't read the graphic

::

novel because you won't

::

look at it the same.

::

And I've told people that who've said,

::

well, I really like The Boys,

::

and I've said, don't read it.

::

The artist style is really kind of odd.

::

It's not bad.

::

I enjoy it.

::

But if you're not ready for

::

it after watching the super stylized show,

::

you're not going to be ready for it.

::

And also, it's rough.

::

If you think the show's bad,

::

think about in a book that

::

they don't think anyone's going to read.

::

Like they like just fucking go nuts.

::

So Godzilla minus one is on

::

Netflix right now.

::

That's for Doug.

::

I do that.

::

Yep.

::

Oh, that's great.

::

Godzilla minus one and

::

Godzilla minus color minus

::

one minus color is also

::

going to be there.

::

A minus one is there both

::

dubbed and subtitled.

::

And then you can,

::

I think they said minus

::

color will be there in July.

::

That's a good pickup for Netflix.

::

Robert Downey Jr.

::

says he is surprisingly

::

open-minded about returning

::

as Spider-Man.

::

It's just crazily... This is

::

from a Variety article.

::

That's a bold move

::

considering he played Iron Man.

::

It's just crazily in my DNA,

::

probably the most like-me

::

character I've ever played,

::

even though he's way cooler than I am.

::

That is via Variety article.

::

And my last two pieces,

::

Josh Brolin has been cast

::

in Knives Out 3.

::

I love everybody that they

::

have casted so far in Knives Out 3.

::

that's going to be a very

::

sexy movie and I'm just

::

excited to hear and my last

::

one is Paramount and

::

Skydance have agreed to

::

merge via CNBC oh that's

::

huge that's huge that's a

::

big one we'll have to talk

::

more about that next week

::

that's a very big one yeah

::

all the cast for Knives Out

::

3 looks awesome I mean the

::

Robert Downey Jr.

::

one

::

Okay, yeah, come back.

::

But it's also funny because

::

what's my guy who played Hawkeye?

::

Jeremy Renner also just

::

recently did an interview and said,

::

I would love if we all came

::

back together.

::

So to me,

::

this is like the setup for Secret

::

Wars or it's the setup for,

::

you know what I mean?

::

Like it just, yeah.

::

I feel like there's a lot of

::

ways you can bring him back.

::

Half of Ironheart is Riri

::

Williams in the comic

::

working with a hologram of Tony Stark.

::

That's an AI.

::

I feel like you could do that

::

pretty easily but man this

::

all this all really feels

::

like secret wars or

::

whatever they're gonna call

::

that bringing back the

::

original feel yep it feels

::

like this the six of them

::

will show up yeah somehow

::

and help our current

::

avengers but man it sure

::

feels like this is inevitable

::

much like Thanos you two

::

would be very proud of me I

::

crossed two movies of the I

::

can't believe you have not

::

watched that list I have

::

crossed those off I've

::

watched Dawn of the Planet

::

of the Apes and Rise of the

::

Planet of the Apes over the

::

course of the past week or

::

so I'm deep in with some monkeys man um

::

And I was very surprised.

::

I thought I was going to hate it,

::

to be honest with you.

::

I thought that I would find

::

the apes off-putting.

::

Yeah.

::

But there's moments where I'm like, no, no,

::

no.

::

They did a really good job with that.

::

The one with James Franco,

::

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, that one,

::

there's a couple of the

::

Uncanny Valley type moments.

::

But shit,

::

they figured that shit out for

::

the second.

::

They figured it out real fast.

::

And I really like the storyline.

::

I really like the storyline

::

for Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

::

And so I heard the game changer is war.

::

of the Planet of the Apes

::

I've heard that one's like

::

the big one so that's next

::

on my list so who knows

::

maybe I'll be this is the

::

Matt Reeves monkey universe

::

like yeah the reason that

::

he basically got the Batman

::

I think a major piece of

::

like yes why he got that

::

Batman universe that he did

::

was how he did this shit

::

yeah so I'm excited to I'm

::

excited to watch that one

::

next and also every single

::

meme every single image of

::

that monkey going oh no

::

makes me laugh I was just

::

about to ask you if that

::

was what part of your

::

inspiration for sending the

::

monkey saying no me yes by

::

the way I needed to like

::

find context for what am I

::

watching right now yeah

::

brian I sent to the chat

::

while marcus was in hawaii

::

at least three of the

::

monkey going oh no like at

::

least three of them being like

::

oh no I googled this doug I

::

had to google monkey thing

::

oh no I had to like I had

::

to like figure this out

::

because I was like I don't

::

know where this is from

::

well because here's the

::

problem referencing the

::

algorithm caught me

::

watching so many clips of

::

that monkey that it was

::

like well this person

::

actually probably just

::

should watch planet of the

::

apes right and so then it

::

just fed me clips from the

::

first two and I was like well

::

Fuck, I might as well watch the movie now.

::

Because I had to see how

::

they got from wearing no

::

clothes to now wearing clothes.

::

To wearing clothes.

::

That's the important dynamic,

::

the thread that we need to follow.

::

I mean, the war?

::

Fuck it, I get it.

::

They made Planet of the Apes.

::

I know what happens.

::

We lose.

::

I get it.

::

This is where this is going.

::

We lose and they're in charge.

::

What I don't get is,

::

why'd you start wearing pants?

::

They won the war, Doug.

::

Clearly.

::

It's all about how you

::

conquer and then become the

::

thing that you conquered.

::

And that, again,

::

in the one that I just watched,

::

Rise of the Planet of the Apes, holy shit,

::

there's a line that Caesar

::

says out loud where he was like,

::

I've learned that we are

::

not really that much different.

::

And I was like, god damn.

::

That was an incredible moment.

::

This is still connected to Ben Affleck.

::

I mean, not Ben Affleck, but Gracious.

::

Are you thinking of Mark Wahlberg?

::

Mark Wahlberg, yeah.

::

I think they're all still

::

connected to that universe, though.

::

I saw a list how you could

::

watch from Dawn all the way

::

to the Charlton Heston ones.

::

Because they're prequels still,

::

technically.

::

These are all prequels still.

::

Before you get to him

::

showing up in the spaceship and then,

::

I guess,

::

traveling back in time or whatever it is,

::

these are all still setups

::

to get to that moment, technically.

::

Yeah,

::

they're all – Which all makes sense

::

because they did not

::

differentiate how many

::

years he was or what year –

::

how many years they had

::

conquered and been in control.

::

So these are still – if

::

Caesar is still there,

::

that's still early.

::

Jeez.

::

Because he's the beginning.

::

And I think he's technically

::

like – in the Charlton Heston one,

::

I think it's still – he's

::

like Caesar 2 or 3 because

::

if I'm not mistaken,

::

I think the big rumor about

::

the one that's set to come

::

out in theaters –

::

I thought it was next week

::

or it's already out.

::

Maybe it was last week.

::

It came out.

::

Is that Caesar's dead?

::

the original one is I don't

::

know and can't confirm that

::

and I just started watching

::

them so please no one take

::

anything we're about to the

::

latest one that came out

::

came out like at the

::

beginning of may so that'll

::

be I'll be going to

::

streaming here you know

::

what then I shot my shot

::

perfectly I shouldn't have

::

to do any additional accidental mistake

::

I mean, the fall guy,

::

the fall guy only had three

::

weekends in theaters.

::

Now you can watch that.

::

And I heard that movie was really good.

::

I've heard great things about it.

::

Y'all,

::

this is the thing that we didn't

::

talk about because we're

::

coming up on time.

::

Oh, something about you.

::

What's that movie?

::

The movie that the two sexy

::

white people kissing.

::

Listen, I didn't actually watch it.

::

I didn't but I kept leaning

::

over because every time

::

these two Glenn Powell and

::

Sidney Sidney Sweeney got

::

to kissing these

::

motherfuckers was kissing

::

for real I think that the

::

director told them y'all

::

need to have sex for real

::

in real life in order to

::

have real chemistry because

::

the way that they was

::

kissing that was ridiculous

::

sorry that was the other

::

movie I couldn't think of

::

anyone but you they got

::

someone's credentials who

::

were exclusively like dirty

::

sites they're like you're

::

gonna do all of those

::

scenes but nothing else

::

Yes.

::

Mac it hard.

::

Kiss it.

::

I don't want Brian to tell me that.

::

Mac it hard.

::

Fucking mac it hard.

::

But that's one thing we

::

didn't talk about was

::

Furiosa at the box office

::

and how everyone is like,

::

another bad box office showing.

::

You guys...

::

Can we not do this?

::

We don't know what's going

::

to happen to the movie is, you know,

::

I'm really nervous about it.

::

It's it's just so it's it's

::

kind of goes back to what

::

we were talking about with Pixar,

::

but in a different way of like.

::

oh the movie we spent 200

::

million dollars on the

::

movie certainly that's the

::

problem then they're like

::

no no that can't be the

::

problem and it's like yeah

::

you're spending like 200

::

million dollars on spinoff

::

prequel movies that like

::

were already kind of a

::

lucky shot at the box

::

office like you can't do that

::

I don't know who is doing the money,

::

but spending $200 million

::

on this movie was maybe not.

::

Maybe that was not the ticket.

::

Just going to put that out there.

::

Brian, you know,

::

that scene in Arrested

::

Development where Tobias is

::

telling his wife that he goes,

::

I think we should try a

::

separation like a like a

::

like a separate marriage.

::

because that might work and

::

she goes oh will that work

::

does that work for your

::

clients he goes oh no like

::

they all end in divorce

::

like it never works but

::

then he stops and he goes

::

but maybe for us that feels

::

what like theaters are

::

doing because they're like

::

hey we could have a really

::

big hit with some obscure

::

hit does it happen a lot no

::

it doesn't but maybe for us

::

it might just it might just hit for us

::

I don't know what to tell these people.

::

At some point in time,

::

there's a reason you can

::

only catch lightning in a bottle once.

::

It doesn't happen a lot.

::

That's why it's such a rare

::

thing to have happen.

::

And you all act like it

::

happens all the time.

::

It goes back to the

::

conversation we continually have here.

::

Where did these mid-budget movies go?

::

Well,

::

they went away so we could make stuff

::

like Furiosa,

::

which I'm sure is a fine movie,

::

by the way.

::

I'm interested enough to see

::

it when it comes to streaming.

::

I just don't want to go to theater for it.

::

I've heard exciting things about it.

::

I really want to see it.

::

And I,

::

but I don't think that they pulled the,

::

I don't think this was

::

something that was a

::

Memorial Day weekend movie necessarily.

::

Like,

::

because the other Mad Max with Tom

::

Hardy was kind of like a surprise.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

It wasn't a for sure thing.

::

So it's just kind of like, yeah,

::

you could bring back like

::

mid budget movies,

::

like stuff that you're OK

::

taking a flyer on and

::

seeing if it does well,

::

rather than making like the thing is,

::

is like when you make

::

everything a blockbuster every weekend,

::

it doesn't matter.

::

Like,

::

it's just it's there's no there's no

::

there's no exclusive event anymore.

::

y'all watch Barbie and

::

Oppenheimer and learned

::

nothing from how to market these things.

::

Like you learned nothing

::

marketed as an event,

::

have a little like of a dress up space,

::

this shit out.

::

But you're right.

::

When I, if everything is special,

::

nothing is like,

::

if there's everything that

::

I have to be at, it doesn't matter.

::

So,

::

right like I just I don't

::

get it like you'd think

::

they would have figured it

::

out by now so anyway I'm

::

ready for the mid budget

::

movie to come back we all

::

are mid budget action

::

movies we're waiting for

::

you gentlemen anything that

::

you all would like to plug this week

::

Hey, folks,

::

check out Color Me Confetti on Etsy.

::

Head over to Etsy.com,

::

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::

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::

of printable party designs

::

designed by your truly's wife,

::

Maggie Roush.

::

Brian's about to take fucking credit.

::

Bold move, Brian.

::

I am not.

::

My wife did everything.

::

Marcus, what do you got?

::

Make sure you follow the mantra.

::

Never offend it.

::

Always humble.

::

Go stream Soul Tide's song

::

Link out right now.

::

The song name is Link,

::

and the link is in my bio.

::

Follow me on socials.

::

New music coming out soon.

::

Just make sure you follow the mantra,

::

whatever it is.

::

Never offend it.

::

Always humble.

::

Absolutely.

::

I would like to plug this podcast.

::

Hey, if you enjoyed our potpourri episode,

::

share us with a friend or a

::

family member.

::

That is the best way for podcasts.

::

You love to get traction.

::

If you're feeling generous,

::

head over to Patreon dot

::

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::

Sign up for one of our tiers there.

::

We greatly appreciate the

::

financial support as well.

::

Help be a producer for the show.

::

So, yeah, you can check us out there.

::

Gentlemen,

::

we have a three-step process to success.

::

Brian,

::

lay us on with that funky first step.

::

Hey, folks.

::

As you can see by my chyron,

::

or maybe you can't because

::

you're listening, it says,

::

can't stop reading Invincible.

::

And I'm just here to say, just read.

::

Because then you'll trip

::

into a story like

::

Invincible by Robert Kirkman.

::

And you just you can't stop reading it.

::

You just you can't stop

::

because it's so good.

::

And I've read I read for

::

four hours last Wednesday night.

::

I just read.

::

I couldn't stop reading.

::

My wife is like, OK,

::

probably going to turn off

::

the lights now.

::

I'm like, OK, I'm going to keep reading.

::

Did you read in the dark?

::

I read it on iPad.

::

I have it digitally.

::

Were the lights off in the room?

::

So, Doug, when you say off...

::

Yes, I read in the dark.

::

When you say off, okay,

::

so they were all off.

::

Yeah, yeah.

::

Look, all I'm saying,

::

don't get lost in a book.

::

It's such a good feeling.

::

It put me in such a good mood.

::

Four hours,

::

it might be a minor exaggeration,

::

but like, no joke, three and a half.

::

Like, I just, that's all I did.

::

I read, I got some tea, kept reading.

::

It was great.

::

Read a book.

::

Absolutely.

::

Marcus,

::

care to lay us down with that second step,

::

sir?

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Make sure you drink some water.

::

I mean,

::

I had the pleasure of having to

::

drink water because I felt

::

like I was a little bit

::

closer to the equator in Hawaii.

::

That was a little bit different.

::

So I had to make sure you

::

stay up with your water.

::

Drink your water,

::

even if that water is $8.95 in Hawaii.

::

excuse me take out a

::

mortgage drink it you have

::

to drink it that's just

::

part of the rules all right

::

so just drink the water

::

there you go that's fucking

::

hilarious um last I'm gonna

::

give you is that last step

::

is yo wash your ass we are

::

it's 80 degrees right now

::

and it is almost 9 40 so

::

like y'all we're firmly we

::

were kind of leaning into

::

two shower season maybe you

::

got away with it

::

If you're doing stuff in the

::

morning and then you're

::

going to work and then

::

you're doing more stuff,

::

you might be in two shower territory.

::

Yeah.

::

There is no reason that you

::

can't be taking one shower,

::

washing your ass,

::

not carrying that stank

::

around with you all day.

::

It's hot.

::

Take care of yourself.

::

Take care of your body.

::

Wash your legs.

::

Wash your feet.

::

All of those things are important.

::

So make sure you do those things.

::

Yeah.

::

Go ahead.

::

Wash your ass.

::

Next week, Brian will be on hiatus.

::

Brian is doing some fun traveling.

::

Brian, what are you doing, sir?

::

I'll be headed to Tennessee

::

to see those Smoky Mountains.

::

All right.

::

I'll be out there with family.

::

That's not what I expected you to say.

::

You know, the kids, that's what they said.

::

That was something they wanted to do.

::

They wanted to go to the forest.

::

My one son thinks for camping.

::

We are not.

::

There's black bears there.

::

I'm not doing that.

::

Who wants to sleep on the ground?

::

I'm not doing that.

::

I very much look forward to

::

a classic Films in Black

::

and White episode with Doug and Marcus.

::

Very excited to hear that.

::

This is going to be OG.

::

This is going to be the original.

::

We're going to be doing some fun stuff.

::

So Marcus and I will be back

::

next week with another

::

fantastic episode of Films

::

of Black and White.

::

But in the meantime,

::

and in the between time, stay safe,

::

stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

We'll catch y'all next week.

::

I thought you were going to

::

just play the dogs barking.

::

I thought about it.

::

That was going to be my first thing.

::

We do need that on the soundboard.

::

I like that.

::

That's fantastic.

::

Jet lag, Marcus.

::

Coming in at the last minute.

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