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Accessibility by Design: Baking Inclusion Into the System
Episode 34th March 2026 • Digital Accessibility • Joe Welinske
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Stephen Framil, Corporate Global Head of Accessibility at Merck, shares how he embedded accessibility into enterprise digital governance across more than 125 countries. From authoring a global accessibility policy to integrating controls into procurement, SDLC, and clinical trial protocols, Stephen explains how accessibility must be “baked in” rather than bolted on. Drawing from his background as a conductor, musician, and cancer survivor, he describes accessibility leadership as orchestration—guiding experts toward inclusive outcomes while normalizing accessibility across systems and culture.

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Well, hello.

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I'm Joe Walensky, and here to bring you another episode of Talking with

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Accessibility Practitioners.

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Today I am pleased to be visiting with

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Steve Fremill. Hello, Steve, how are you today?

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Hi, Joe.

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Uh, so far so good. You know, it's, uh, it's about 11 o'clock here Eastern time,

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where I'm at, uh, in a suburb outside of Philadelphia in my home office.

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And, uh,

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so far we're doing well today. Thank you. How about yourself?

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Well, I am speaking, uh,

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from my home office, which is in Bellingham, Washington, about, uh,

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80 miles north of Seattle.

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And there's a slight break from the, the, uh, river of, uh,

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water we've had over the past week,

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but I'm tucked away inside, so it-it's good to be, uh,

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here chatting with you.

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Uh, thanks again for, uh, offering to participate.

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Uh, looking forward to learning more about you.

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And so maybe a good place to start is if you could just tell us a little bit about your work.

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Yeah, absolutely. Uh, and thank you for the invitation to, to share today.

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And just for a, uh,

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a quick visual description for folks, um,

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I'm today I'm wearing a, uh, sort of an aqua-colored blazer with a black T-shirt.

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Um, I have mostly black hair,

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and I'm of, um,

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Pacific Islander and, uh, Caucasian descent.

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So, um, yes, Steve Fremill, uh, the Corporate Global Head of Accessibility at Merck.

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And also, for the past two years, I have, uh,

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been a co-lead of

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the Internally Facing, uh,

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Global Disability Inclusion Strategy Council, um,

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at Merck.

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And the role of that council, really,

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for the workforce

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was to advance a disability-confident workforce.

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So that has been my work, um, uh,

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the Global Disability Inclusion Strategy Council

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for the past couple of years,

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along with my role as the Corporate Global Head of Accessibility at Merck, um,

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uh, really for the past three years.

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But that work really sort of, um, matured into the what it is today,

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really starting back as far as seven years ago.

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And, um,

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that really started with the

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concept and the framework, uh,

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within Merck of enterprise digital governance.

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What we were finding in our nearly 30,000 websites, what the there was a lot of, um,

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uh, lack of, uh,

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governance or control or accountability with our websites.

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Very often the business would stand up a,

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a website for a product and then just sort of walk away.

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And, uh, when things had evolved through the product lifecycle, then, you know,

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we would have a, uh,

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a website out there that just was outdated

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or causing a cybersecurity risk

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or causing some sort of pharmacovigilance, drug safety risk as well.

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And so what the organization needed globally

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was a framework for managing,

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uh, digital governance, uh, particularly with the externally facing digital assets.

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And so, uh,

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that includes things that are around compliance, such as, I had mentioned, cybersecurity,

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such as pharmacovigilance, drug safety, as well as accessibility, um,

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as accessibility is, uh, in,

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in my view, increasingly becoming a regulatory matter, especially with, uh,

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the laws that are in some countries or regions, uh,

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whether it be Canada,

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whether it be Israel or Japan or Brazil,

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and of course the European Accessibility Act most recently for all 27 member states of

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the EU.

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Um, but, uh, also that enterprise digital governance concept was around optimization.

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So are we using the corporate branding as we should?

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Uh, should the design of sites, uh,

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be following some sort of, uh,

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design system, as it were?

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And so, uh, this enterprise digital governance, really, accessibility was a piece of that.

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And because, as I mentioned,

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accessibility is

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increasingly a regulatory matter,

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it was something that needed to be carved out and really stood up on its own.

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And back in 2020, uh,

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there was consensus company-wide that we needed a company-wide policy for accessibility.

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Uh, you know, we have our, our top-line corporate policies,

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and we positioned our digital accessibility policyright underneath our,

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uh, policy for human resources,

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really wanting to ensure that everyone, not just our workforce,

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but patients and consumers as well, had equal access to our digital content.

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And this policy, which I authored, uh,

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was, uh, company-wide.

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Uh, it applied to all divisions, all countries, all business units, um,

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and so on, both externally facing digital assets as well as internally

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facing assets.

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And so that really, uh,

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creating that policy, getting it approved by our Policy Governance Committee, which is, um,

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you know, is a whole uh,

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takes quite a bit of time, um,

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to convince a very large global multinational organization that they need another policy. Um,

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but they, uh, accepted it.

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And, uh, and we published that policy on April 1,

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no fooling, of 2021,

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and since then have been rolling it out strategically,

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uh, based off of di different digital channels,

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but more importantly,

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really inserting it into the

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processes and the, um, uh, the,

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the systems that we're used within the company

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so that you what you really have is something

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accessibility by design, so that, uh, when people are building digital assets, uh,

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the digital SDLC, Systems Development Lifecycle,

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they get flagged for specific accessibility activities

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while they're planning or creating, designing, coding, building,

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and so forth throughout the lifecycle. And I think that's really important.

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Um, so there's a few areas. I mentioned the digital SDLC.

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We got that accessibility controls into there.

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Uh, we also got it into our procurement language, uh,

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where, uh, our, um, vendors and our suppliers, uh,

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for any digital products or services would,

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uh, need to deliver on accessibility standards according to the latest version of, uh, WCAG,

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Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. So, uh, that's another measure in which we did this.

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Also, getting it into our governance, risk, and compliance.

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So anytime there was a need for an exception made,

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at least our leadership would know and be able to

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accept the risk if we were not

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going to make a particular asset,

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um, accessible, at least at that point in time. So really building it in.

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And some of the things that we recently have, um,

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started is getting accessibility controls into the,

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uh,

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protocols of our clinical trial studies.

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And so what are those digital touchpoints that happen within a clinical trial

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and ensuring that any supplier supporting the clinical trial

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ensures accessibility, whether it be through, uh, recruitment, uh, of, uh, patients? Because,

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of course, patients, as you know,

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they have frailties, they have comorbidities, and they have disabilities. And so absolutely.

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Um, and, uh, you know, often, uh,

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therapies for different,

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uh, uh,

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disease states cause disabilities.

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Chemotherapy causes disabilities with neuropathy and things of that nature.

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So, um, certain disease stages such as diabetes have,

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uh,

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retinopathy or also neuropathy. And so this is where it really makes a lot of sense when you're,

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um, testing new drugs in phase three,

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where you're really designing those studies so that patients who are going to have disabilities, um,

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that your digital, uh,

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touchpoints are accessible. So really baking it in, uh, to the process, the systems,

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the templates, uh, you know,

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depending on what, uh, content management system, uh, you're using,

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making sure that those guardrails are there

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so that the business doesn't have to

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go back and fix it or

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have to suddenly become an accessibility expert.

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You know, not everyone can, you know, be an expert on all these things, um, accessibility, pharmacovigilance,

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cybersecurity, you know, branding, all that.

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You have to put these, um, uh, these controls in place so that they get done and,

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uh, uh, you know, that there's, there's accountability along the way.

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And so that's really the,

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uh, what we've been doing at Merck over the last, uh, you know, six,

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seven years is really baking it into our ways of working, uh,

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so that the business, who always wants to doright by the company, uh,

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and by the patient and the consumer, uh,

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doesn't, um, have to, uh, uh,

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go back and fix things

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or have to, uh,

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suddenly become an expert in this particular aspect of, uh, the work that they're doing. So,

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uh, so yes, that's, that's my current role.

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That's what it's been for the last, uh, few years

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and really, uh, continuing to, um, to, you know, to lead that forward. So.

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Well, yeah, thanks for providing such a,

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a detailed, uh, uh,

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uh, look at all of what, what it sounds like a very robust and progressive, uh, set of, uh,

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accessibility-related activities.

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Uh, you I, I think it was, you know, it was interesting to hear you talk so much about the,

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the governance and policy areas.

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You mentioned that a, you know,

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a very large organization like that doesn't necessarily need another policy,

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but yet you've,

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you've established something very significant.

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And, and I, I it in most of our mainstream conversations, uh,

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you know,

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online and with colleagues about accessibility,

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I would say that at least in my world, most of it surrounds the, uh,

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the bits and bytes, uh,

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of actually executing accessibility. Uh, and, and governance is such a huge part of it.

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But I, uh, I don't think we, uh, you know, we talk about it, uh, as much.

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Maybe it, it, it, it's not quite, uh,

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as interesting to talk about. But, but just on that particular, um, area, uh, you know,

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what was the, you know, the beginnings of that? Or were you involved with that?

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Or has it been that way for a long time where there's actually this,

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uh, uh, significant, uh,

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uh, internal representation in, in policies within the organization? Right.

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Well, uh, at Merck, you know, one of the, uh, the slogans is,

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"Patients are our purpose." And so, uh, for all the reasons I had mentioned around, uh, patients,

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uh, uh,

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often having disabilities, this really resonated, you know, with the, uh, the values,

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the values of the company.

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And so but, you know, I,

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um, you know, having, uh,

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written the policy and, and really, uh, you know, moving it forward company-wide,

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I often, um, you know,

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had to reflect personally, like,

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how did this happen?

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Because it was not a matter of, uh, uh, uh,

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you know,

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something that I was looking to do.

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Something I'm probably a little bit of imposter syndrome when it's like, how, how, how did,

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how did I arrive here?

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Because, you know, I am not a marketeer.

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I'm not a designer.

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I'm not a scientist.

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I'm not a physician. I'm not a lot of things.

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But, uh, you know, one of the things I'm,

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I am is I'm all I am also a patient.

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You know, I'm now a, uh, a two-year cancer survivor and having gone through

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the types of, uh, disabilities that come with therapies.

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And so, um, you know, so far, so good.

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But this is where, uh, it, uh, it, it really, uh, you know, started to resonate with me.

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But then I mentioned, like, all the things that I'm not, uh, professionally.

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In fact, uh, uh,

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my, uh,

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my formal training and is all in music.

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I have a doctorate in music, in cello performance.

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And I have, you know, taught in, in higher ed for 30 years, uh,

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both cello and chamber music and conducted orchestra.

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And so I have had a very, uh, you know,

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uh and I continue to do that, um, with, uh, uh,

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various, uh, performing arts organizations that I've created over the last 20 years. And,

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uh, when I think about that, like, well, how did I arrive here?

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And what I,

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you know, in retrospect observe is that there's always been this thread of accessibility, um,

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in what I've done throughout life.

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I can recall as a, um, as a teenager, uh,

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going on high school mission trips to, uh,

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build greenhouses

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in New Mexico, uh,

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for, um, uh,

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for, uh, Indigenous Native American, um, lands,

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really trying to ensure that there was good,

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uh, uh,

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good food

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accessible in these, uh, very dry environments.

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And I think I go back to building schools in the Dominican Republic, um, as, as part of,

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you know, really creating, um, access to education.

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But what really struck me was that in the early 2000s,

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uh, I was in a, uh, an opportunity in,

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uh, the inner city, West Philadelphia.

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Uh, and I created an inner city conservatory where we provided

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free music lessons to the at-risk youth in the neighborhood,

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making great music accessible to everyone.

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And even today, I'll get stopped by parents whose kids were, um, in the program.

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I'll get stopped in the train station. And I say, "Hey, you know, that was really great.

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It really helped my kid," and so forth.

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And that, of course, is, is really wonderful to hear.

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But the I also mentioned the performing arts organizations, uh,

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Camerata Philadelphia and the Port City Music Festival in Wilmington, North Carolina.

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And for the last 20 years, all of our concerts have been free admission, uh, to the public,

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really making music accessible to everyone,

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breaking down those barriers that can so often, uh,

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limit, uh, people's, uh, ability to experience things.

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And so that has and so when I arrived at Merck and,

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you know, we had, uh, the need for, uh,

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this policy around accessibility and really what that meant to breaking down barriers

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and providing equal access to our digital content,

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it really kind of was just, uh, uh,

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the next step in my journey,

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lifelong journey of making things accessible.

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So, uh, I know, uh,

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you know, everyone's, you know,

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journey through life takes a lot of twists and turns and things like that.

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But that's something that, um, is,

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is really it, uh,

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has followed me in various ways, in various ways, uh, for the last, uh, 20, 30, 40, 50 years.

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Well, as you, uh,

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moved from this, uh, uh,

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sort of, uh, natural, uh, work, uh, natural life experience of, uh,

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doing accessibility activities in communities, um,

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and you,

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you moved into doing things more formally,

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uh, in your, in your current position, um, what,

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what types of things did you need to do, uh, or did you feel you need to do to, you know,

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just build your own knowledge of accessibility as a,

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a professional practice?

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As, as a professional practice. So, uh, you know, I mentioned that I'm,

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I was I think I also mentioned I was not an engineer.

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Um, so when it comes to designing and coding, uh,

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that's not something that, uh, I,

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you know, would necessarily do unless I, you know,

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took on, you know, those, those types of professions and, and studied up on it.

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So I knew that there was always

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folks who were could do that. My wife is a UX designer.

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And so, um,

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and really, as you know, accessibility is just part of UX design.

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It's one of those, uh, principles that, um,

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you know,

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it makes a good user experience.

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Um, and of course, you know, the, the, the coding with that as well.

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So I knew that there really wasn't anything, um,

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that was covered. That space was filled.

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You know, we had people who were designing, you know, using, uh,

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WCAG standards and, and, and developing.

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And that's why we inserted it into our procurement so that

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our suppliers were delivering on that.

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But what we found, what I found was really needed in a large

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global company was the,

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uh,

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orchestration of how we're going to be

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progressing this policy forward.

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Uh, when you have over 125 countries that you're

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working with and you have

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an accessibility steward network

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globally of over 70 people, and you're really getting them all on the same page,

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the same time, and here are the requirements year over year that we're going to try to

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advance accessibility for

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different digital channels,

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that takes a little bit of, um, orchestration,

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conducting.

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And of course, you I mentioned that I have also done a lot of orchestral conducting.

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And I make the comparisons, like,

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I don't play the oboe,

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but I can tell the oboe player

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when to start, when to stop, how loud to play, how soft to play,

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and really

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communicate the, the artistic expression.

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But I'm not I, you know so that's really providing that sort of, um,

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that sort of guidance

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with the experts that you're working with.

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You know, you have

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to have a great respect for

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the oboe player and the bassoon player

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and the clarinet player, maybe not the flute player. No, I'm just kidding.

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Um, but everyone,

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all the professionals who know their craft but be able to provide them that sort of, uh,

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that strategy, how you're, uh,

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going to move things forward, giving them the,

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uh, the, the time to be able to, uh, take on, uh,

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new digital channels that they were going to start to make accessible.

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You know, I'm we were working on websites, uh,

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first with automated testing. And this says, "Okay, the next year,

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we're going to start doing manual testing. You have to do things incrementally.

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We're going to start adding mobile apps.

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We're going to start adding PDFs, um, make sure that all your videos have captioning."

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And so all these things, when you have a global company, um,

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and over 2,000 websites, uh,

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and, and so forth, you have to incrementally roll this out so that

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it can get done, um,

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and not be overwhelming to the business because then they'll just throw their hands up.

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So it's really, uh, leading the strategy of implementation globally.

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And that really I pull and I draw from

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my experience as an orchestral conductor

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and also providing that support

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as a cellist in

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chamber music, string quartets,

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you know, letting the,

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the violins be the star of the show, but really being that foundation, um,

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to be able to, uh, to, to support them.

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And so I really pull heavily from, um, my,

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my, uh, experience as a as a cellist and a conductor and chamber musician,

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as well as teaching. I mentioned I teach for over 30 years.

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And so there's a lot of when you're training, when you're working with stakeholders, uh,

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introducing the concept of accessibility. I've been doing this for a while at Merck.

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And honestly,

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there's always a new group who have never heard of this, never heard of it.

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And of course, they ask, "Why haven't we heard of this before?" Um,

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so it's, uh,

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there's plenty of opportunity to communicate,

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to train, and, and to point them in theright direction.

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So and of course, working with your, your designers, your engineers, your developers, testers,

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uh, on, um, making sure that they have, uh,

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what they need to be able to deliver on accessibility as well.

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Well, uh, your orchestral communication analogy is, is such a grand way of,

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of thinking about your, your work.

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And so I think I'm going to internalize that a little bit because, uh,

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it's kind of a great.

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It's kind of a joyful way of thinking about the work that we do.

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Well, the thing is also,

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what's a successful

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in these days, maybe not, you know,

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100 years ago, um, is that, uh, when you're, you know,

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conducting an orchestra,

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it's really having that

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utmost respect for the professionals that you're working with.

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And I think it's the same way when it comes to

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running accessibility in a global company, really,

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uh, working with your designers and your developers and,

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and respecting their expertise, their craft, and really together, um, uh,

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progressing that forward. And I think that that's what's key.

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The reason why I said, uh, the last 100 years when it comes to conducting,

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because very often the maestro would just be,

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you know, not the nicest person.

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And that was the culture, the orchestral culture, you know,

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in previous times.

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But these days, it's different.

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And I think that's something that

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the business world honestly can really

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learn a lot from.

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Well, you've provided

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an excellent overview of your work and how you've found your way into that.

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I always like to kind of finish things up with a little bit of an open-ended question.

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You could kind of pick what you wanted to, uh, reply to.

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But, you know, one area is just that, uh,

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you know, having been in the accessibility profession for a long time,

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I've seen a lot of cycles.

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I've seen things that where I've thought we were making a huge amount of progress.

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At other times,

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I'm mystified by how little progress it seems, uh, things have been, uh, how,

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how little progress we've made maybe as a profession.

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Uh, so I was wondering if you have any, uh, thoughts on that.

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How does it feel for you in your tenure in terms of, uh, kind of the highs and lows? Right.

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Well,

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I think when you

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when we talk about accessibility,

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whether it's the digital environment or the built environment,

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it's very much

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hand in hand with

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disability inclusion.

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And for the disability community, it's really, you know,

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breaking down those barriers so that they can fully

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experience life.

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And so I think what I,

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you know,

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there's plenty of folks to fix your website

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or design it in such a way.

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But of course,

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we know that accessibility is only a moment in time

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because as soon as you change the content, it can, you know,

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perhaps break accessibility.

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So it's, it's a could be like a little bit like playing whack-a-mole to try to, you know,

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fix everything because it's, it's someone's going to come along, put in some new content,

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and it's going to break it.

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So I think and this kind of leans into what I mentioned about,

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you know, building into your processes.

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And so this notion of accessibility by design,

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how can we normalize

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accessibility so that it is part of everything that we do?

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Remember back in the day when responsive design was new

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and it was something that the business had to really think hard.

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Is this what we're going to invest in?

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You have to make a decision for different viewport sizes.

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Well, today, we don't even think about that,right?

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And so I think this is something where we would,

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we want to be there. We want to normalize accessibility.

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And so as I continue this work

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and also, you know, you know, starting,

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starting something new

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with a,

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a consulting company, AI1Y,

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that's new.

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It's and really

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with the idea of normalizing accessibility and getting it into

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a company's processes,

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their policies,

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their systems so that it becomes normalized

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and so that it is something that

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is you don't necessarily have to fight for all the time.

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And so I think that's perhaps why

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there may be ebbs and flows and ups and downs

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for accessibility professionals.

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It's because perhaps we're just

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going after the digital assets and trying to fix them

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when we need to normalize the whole way of working so that it's part of what we do.

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And so that's what I think, you know, I'll be continuing to focus on,

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particularly with a new consulting firm, AI1Y, and,

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you know,

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going forward in the future here.

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Well, that's a very great,

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excellent way to think about

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the kind of the evolution of

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where things have been going.

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In just in wrapping up,

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I always like to ask if there are just any final things you'd like to talk about

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that you're excited or passionate about, either personal life,

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professional life,

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things related to accessibility, things not related to accessibility.

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Are there what's

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getting you going as we move into the new year? Right.

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Well,

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one of the things that I started doing,

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I think as I

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was approaching the half-century mark

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a few years back,

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was getting into

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endurance sports with marathons,

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half marathons,

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and also triathlons

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and Ironman races.

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I'm a three-time Ironman.

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And, you know, back in 2022, had cancer in 2023, came back in 2024,

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and then again in 2025. So that's something that I really enjoy doing.

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And I often going back to what I mentioned about a little bit of imposter syndrome,

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especially working with the disability community

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and everything.

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And I think it's important that if it's something that we can do

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in life,

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we should definitely do it because we can. And so I often ask myself, "Why do I run?

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Why do I swim?

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Why do I cycle?"

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Because I can.

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I may not be able to do this forever,

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most likely.

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And I think for everyone,

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this is important to really embrace life.

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And if it's something that you enjoy doing and you can do it, do it because things,

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as we know,

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can always change

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in an instant. So yes.

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Well,

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thanks for sharing so much, you know,

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about your health challenges and the

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many details associated with

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your work.

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It's been great hearing about your journey and how accessibility fits into what

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you do.

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So, you know, thank you very much for participating in this. Absolutely.

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And thank you, Joe, for the invitation.

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So very much enjoyed our time.

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Have a great year, Steve. Thank you. You too.

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