A profound exploration of the storied tradition of Arkansas Razorback football unfolds as we delve into the experiences shared by our distinguished guest, Rod Lovin. The episode intricately weaves the narrative of how the Razorbacks, initially known as the Cardinals, transitioned to their now-cherished moniker. The origins of the Razorbacks are traced back to the early 1900s, culminating in the legendary declaration by Coach Hugo Bezdek, who likened his players to wild hogs after a particularly triumphant season. This pivotal moment not only galvanized the student body to embrace a fiercer identity but also set the stage for the unique and enduring culture surrounding the team. Rod's anecdotes illuminate the deep-seated passion that Arkansans harbor for their football team, revealing how football serves as a communal thread that unites families across generations. The discussion further delves into the evolution of the Razorbacks, reflecting on their fluctuating fortunes in the Southeastern Conference while emphasizing the enduring loyalty of their fan base amidst the vicissitudes of competitive college football.

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Stirling Roastery
• Stirling Soap Co.

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You're just in time because here in the pigpen, we're always ready to talk about some great football history.

And tonight we're going on a hog hunt deep in the state of Arkansas.

Our guest tonight, Rob Lovin, is going to talk about his team, the Razorbacks, as we talk about Razorbacks to Razors and everything in between with Rod in just a second.

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Hello, my football friends.

This is Darren Hayes@pigskindispatch.com welcome once again to the Pig Pen, your portal deposit of football history.

And welcome to another episode where we get to talk about some great college football history.

And in the Pig Pen today, very appropriately, are the Hogs.

Yes, we're going to be talking about Arkansas Razorback football with our friend Rod Lovin.

Rod, welcome to the Pig Pen.

Thanks for having me, Darren.

It's a pleasure to be here, Rod.

You know, this is an exciting time you have.

Your company has been a sponsor of Sports History Network and we greatly appreciate that and your products and you shared some products with me.

Maybe you could tell us a little bit about yourself and your company.

Sure.

We.

I was still on active duty at the army at the time and.

Oh, thank you for your service.

My pleasure.

I had recently started wet shaving.

It's old style shaving with a safety razor, a soap and a brush that you, you build a lather and paint it on your face yourself.

A friend of mine in the army had suggested I try that to deal with.

You know, when you shave every day and get razor bumps and razor burn from having to shave before formation and then go out and do PT run, whatever it may be.

It just, it used to tear my face up.

And he suggested I try old sty wet shaving as a, as a solution to that.

And it worked.

I mean it.

Rubbing one blade across my face instead of three or five at a time made a huge difference and kept me from a lot of irritation and ingrown hairs.

So my wife and I had started making soap, just bath soap at the time and I'd used a puck of the shave soap that she had bought me for my birthday.

And I thought, you know what, I could probably make something better than this.

And so, you know, we, we started working at this time, you know, the company was just a hobby.

It was just something we were doing for fun.

We never really intended to make a career out of it because I, I intended to do my eight more years to, to get 20 in the army and retire out of that.

But so we started making shave soap.

And then when I realized that I didn't, didn't want to go another eight years in the military, we thought, okay, well, let's, let's see if Sterling.

Sterling Soap would support our family.

And so that's what we started doing.

We, we.

And that's, I mean, that's what we're known for.

We're, I mean, we have bath soap, lotions, aftershaves, colognes, you know, any, any type of bath and body product you can, you can think of.

But what, where we made our, our, our name for ourselves is in the, the wet shaving world with shaving soap and a brush.

And so that, that's how, that's how we got to where we are today, to where we're, you know, not just self employed, but we employ, you know, 20 other people along with us that make their careers helping us make soap and, and ship it all over the world.

Yeah.

And folks, I just learned before we came on, not only is Rod doing that, he's, you know, a veteran of our armed forces, you know, a hero to us and protect our freedom.

He, and he's a farmer.

He's, he's producing food and things to help our economy go and help us eat every day.

So we appreciate you for that too.

You're a busy guy down there, Rod.

Yeah, it's, it's a lot of work sometimes, but I enjoy doing it.

Mandy and I have three young sons and that's the main reason we keep the farm is I, I like them having things to do and, and they, they enjoy.

We've got, we've got cows, we've got sheep, and, you know, a handful of chickens and they, they enjoy doing it.

So.

And it's fun for us.

Keeps us from being sedentary, I guess.

Absolutely.

So you are in the state of Arkansas and we can tell by your coffee cup that we can see in the foreground here.

You are an Arkansas Razorbacks fan and from, I'm told, a super fan.

So why don't you tell us a little bit about how you became, you know, an Arkansas fan and maybe some of your experiences with Arkansas football.

Sure.

So if you, if you like football and growing up as a kid in Arkansas, I mean, there's no pro sports.

The Razorbacks are, they are your pro team.

And so, you know, from a, from a very young age, you know, my dad would take me to local high school football games and on, on Saturdays, if Arkansas was lucky enough to be the game of the week, you know, we would sit down and that would be two and a half, three hours of our afternoon.

And it's just, you know, you grow up in that you have a lot of memories.

Not just, you know, not with, just with my dad and my brothers, but with my grandfather as well.

Just growing up, cheering for the Razorbacks.

And so, you know, from, from the mid-80s on or about where I can really start remember remembering, you know, being a Razorback fan and, and you know, having a love for a team, you know, kind of growing you.

And it's just, it's just now, you know, I'm in my 40s and it's just, it's just a way of life now.

I'm, you know, I'm not the, I'm probably not the super fan that spends every spare dime I have on, on going to games and merchandise and things like that, but I always make time and follow the Razorbacks.

You know, football, basketball, baseball.

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

That's, that's a common story.

I mean, I know I live in Pennsylvania, lived all my life and you know, of course, you know, we got Penn State football on, but I'm, I'm more of a Notre Dame fan.

Don't tell my dad that, you know, he'll, he'll be upset.

But I think movie like Rudy and things like that sort of affect me.

But you know, Arkansas has got a really neat football history that I was diving into a little bit.

They were called the Cardinals, which I thought was kind of amazing.

And that's, I guess that's where they got their colors from the Cardinal red that they have.

And they got named because I just mentioned Penn State.

There's a Penn State in Arkansas connection.

They had a common coach, Hugo Bezdick, who actually coached in the NFL later on and coached at Oregon and a bunch of other places.

They were, they swept through the, the Southeastern Conference, beating Oklahoma and LSU and some other big name teams.

And he was Getting off the train, people welcomed them, you know, when they came in.

And he made the statement that his players were like a bunch of wild Hogs, a bunch of wild Razorbacks.

And it caught on.

And the next year, school year, the student body of Arkansas voted and said, we don't want to be the Cardinals anymore.

We want to be, you know, something mean and nasty.

We want to be Razorbacks.

And you know, it does a strike sphere into the opponent show.

When you hear Razorbacks compared to Cardinal, you know, that doesn't.

Isn't as fearful, but I think that's a pretty cool name.

It's very unique and that's how they got it.

So that's kind of cool.

Yeah, it is ne unique.

There's not at least in college sports.

I know, I know Tech Sarcana as a Razorback mascot, but as far as college and pro sports, we're Razorback's unique.

I mean that there's no nothing else like it.

And you know, when you have things like the, the main cheer, the woo pig Suey.

I don't know if you've ever seen that where they call the Hogs.

There's nothing like it in sports.

It's.

It's just one of those things that's unique and you know, is that a tradition?

Is that like happened before a game or.

I mean, tell us a little bit about that tradition.

So calling the Hogs, they'll do it before every game, but they'll do it, you know, during timeouts as well.

Like it's, it's just another thing.

It's spree de Cory.

It's.

It's pumping the team up, pumping the fans up.

It's just something.

It's, it's been, it's been done for longer than I've been alive.

Honestly, I probably something I should know, but I don't know when the, the hog call first came into effect and who was the first one to do it.

That's probably embarrassing for me to not know that, but it's, it's just something that's always been there my entire life.

You know, you do woo pig suey Razorbacks.

And it's, it's, it's pretty neat to see, you know, 75,000 fans at Razorback Stadium doing it in unison.

You know, not right now because the football team's been kind of shoddy for the past decade, ever since we had a fateful motorcycle ride.

But you know, normally when you have all the Razorback fans in the stadium and doing the hog call all at once, it's pretty neat to experience.

I forget who it was against, but when they came back there was a group of fans waiting for their time to get off the train.

And most of them were some farmers and they were out there yelling, you know, woo.

Pig sui and some of that.

And that's, that's where the tradition began according to the page on Arkansas football.

So I thought that was kind of a cool little thing too.

Thank you for teaching me that.

That's good to know.

Yeah.

So who are some of the players during your experience of watching that you really, you know, fell in love with watching?

You said, okay, this is the guy I got to watch Saturday.

I'm watching, watching this guy as the game's going on today.

So.

When I was a kid, it was Quinn Grovey.

Back when I was, you know, before I was even a teenager, you know, he was running the triple option under Ken Hatfield and it was just so fun to watch, just never knowing where the ball was going to be or where it was going to end up or who was actually going to be making the run.

And Arkansas had some really, really good underrated teams during the Danny, not Danny Ford, the Ken Hatfield years.

When Quinn Grovey was, was running the show.

He just.

They just never could get over the hump.

You know, they'd always have the one game where the option got shut down.

And you know, that's the problem with an offense like that.

You, you get a little bit behind in the score and you're, you're forced to start passing no matter what.

And that's not your forte.

And it just, I think on for a lot of fans or it probably, probably felt like that, well, we've reached our pinnacle.

It's time to move on.

We need to find something else because.

But I mean that, that's a whole nother story.

That's.

I think that's more between Frank Broyles and Ken Hatfield than anything else.

But you know, if you had to, if you may be at.

Tell you my all time favorite player, it have to either be Darren McFadden or Matt Jones.

Great choices.

We've.

I don't know that college football has had a.

You know, I know that the kid from Boise State this year put up some insane numbers.

But as, as far as, as far as just a, just an old style run right over, you run right up the middle and you're not catching me.

I don't, I don't think we've seen anything like Darren McFadden since him.

Maybe, you know, maybe Derek Henry, I don't know.

But it's.

I absolutely loved watching McFadden play because on any play he could be gone.

And the same thing for Matt Jones.

You know, the Matt Jones years were probably, probably some wasted talent, but he was, at any, at any time, the guy could just be gone.

I mean, you, you would think you could have him down, and the next thing you know, he's prancing through the end zone and it's just, just exciting players to watch him.

And the fact that both of them were homegrown Arkansas products, you know, that, that, you know, people grew up knowing who they were in high school, and so that means a lot still down here.

Yeah, I'm sure it does.

Now, I mean, you've had some, some great coaches there, like you said.

And I told, I told you earlier, you know, I'm Notre Dame fan and told you about Penn State having a shared thing.

Well, Lou Holtz, the famous Notre Dame coach, coached at Arkansas in the late 70s and took them to some pretty good heights, including an Orange bowl appearance against Oklahoma, 10.

1 record and, you know, really got.

Cut his teeth in college football at Arkansas.

So that's, that's kind of a cool thing.

I didn't realize that Lou Holtz was out of Arkansas.

Yeah, he, he'll forever be loved here for the, the, I think it was 78 Orange Bowl.

I mean, they, they were, they were bad underdogs in that game.

And they'd had two of their, their starting running back and a couple other starters had gotten in trouble and were suspended for the game.

And they, they absolutely punched Oklahoma in the mouth.

And it's excited.

I wasn't even, I wasn't even alive at that point.

I was still seven months away from being born.

But I've known about that game my entire life.

My dad's old basketball referee, partner played on, was an offensive lineman on that team.

It's just something you know about.

And I grew up a Notre Dame fan as well because I grew up in Catholic boys school.

So I've got a framed Rudy jersey at my office.

I wish I was in my office for this.

I've got a frame, you know, along with my razorback gear that I have in the office, I've got a frame Rudy Rudiger jersey that's autographed in there.

And yeah, the connection between Lou Holtz and Arkansas and Notre Dame was always Cool to me growing up as well.

Yeah, I think that's true.

I went, I went to Catholic school too when I was younger and I think that the nuns sort of beat that India, you know, you're Notre Dame fan and yeah, maybe that's where I got it from and you know, so.

But I'm glad to see it.

It's happening all across the country, so too, so that's kind of a neat thing.

They, I mean they have a great array of hall of Famers that have come out of there, you know, not only Bezdick and you know, Darren McFadden like you talked about and Dan Hampton made it in College Football hall of Fame just this past year as an offense tackle, played for the Bears and Lou Holtz is in there as from Arkansas and you know, just, there's just a long list of probably a little over dozen, dozen and 20 players and coaches with Arkansas roots that have made it in College Football hall of Fame.

So that's quite a testament to the program.

For 131 years or so they've been playing.

So that's kind of a neat thing too.

Yeah.

If you look at like, I mean most of the all time rankings of teams, you know, Arkansas usually falls into around the number, you know, somewhere between 18 and 20.

And if you look at revenues of football, Arkansas deserves a little bit better than the records they've had, they've put up over the last 12 years.

It's, it's been.

Being a Razorback fan is hard to begin with, but the last 12 years being a Razorback fan has been, especially for football, has been absolutely miserable.

There, there have been far, far more downs than ups.

And I think most of us are either numb to it now or just, you know, if something good starts happening for the football team, you're almost waiting for the other shoe to drop and just, okay, so when, when are we gonna blow this lead or when are we gonna lose the next four and drop out of the ranking?

Something like that.

But I mean it's, it's all cyclical.

Eventually it'll turn it around because I mean the, there's still a lot of support for the university.

They bring in a huge amount of revenue still.

And it's just, it's a different animal now than it was when I was growing up.

You know, you've got a 16 team SEC now that is just full of monsters, you know, full of blue chip football programs.

So it's, it's hard for a smaller state with a, you know, university like Arkansas to, they're not, they're never going to be in Alabama, but they shouldn't be kicked around every year the way they have been for the past Baker's dozen years.

Well, you never know because look at, you know, I mean, it's a great conference.

I sort of like the super conferences, you know, myself, I, I think it's kind of entertaining because you, this year we had a good ball game on every single Saturday, even at noon.

You know, you had good games.

You had it all through the day.

Where before the old style you had, you know, some real sleepers.

You'd have, you know, Alabama playing, you know, some, you know, Division 1 double A school or something like, okay, this is, this isn't much fun to watch them beat the snot out of somebody.

But you have some competitive games going on all through the season.

But I think there's, like you said, it's cyclical and you had teams like, you know, Ole Miss this year.

They've made some noise in the SEC with all the big boys, especially with Texas and Oklahoma coming in with all the powerhouses already in the sec.

I thought that was kind of fun to watch, just everybody knocking heads.

Same thing in the Big Ten.

I thought that was kind of fun to watch with sort of the pack 10 teams coming in and know, competing with some of the, the things.

That's a lot of fun.

And that's what you, that's what us as football fans want.

We want competition.

We want two evenly matched teams and, you know, beating a snot out of each other, scoring touchdowns or a defensive, you know, scoreless tie.

I, I like those too.

I like evenly matched games, I think.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I do, I do like the, I do like the fact that they're, they does seem more competitive.

Now you said the fans like, no one likes seeing, you know, Alabama beat up on little sisters of the poor.

I would much rather see, you know, before that, I would much rather see, like you said, a 16 team super conference where every week, you know, you're playing someone that's going to give you a good game in most cases.

Yeah, absolutely.

And programs come and rise, you know, all the time.

Look at 10 years ago, would you think that Oregon would be a powerhouse?

You know, they were kind of a.

Okay, they're out there on the west coast and you know, they're gonna get, they were getting beat up on the west by west coast teams.

Not that, you know, they were ranked number one for most of the season this year.

That was kind of a cool thing, especially moving into a Bigger conference.

So I think there's a time and place for everybody and I think Arkansas is going to have their day.

They just got to get the right coaching in there, get some recruiting in there, some players, and they'll get the right mix one of these days.

And you'll be proud to have that Razorback coffee cup.

I certainly hope so.

Yeah.

So let's talk a little bit about some of the products that Sterling Soap and the Sterling Roastery have and you know, share where people can get their hands on them too.

Okay.

So I mean we sell all over the world.

We, we've got, we've got a handful of stores scattered out.

I mean not, not that, but resellers that, that sell it.

Buying our products wholesale and sell throughout the United States.

But our main storefront is here in Paris, Arkansas, right on the square.

And that's also where we ship from.

90% of our business is online@sterlingsoap.com sterling with an I like, like the city, not the silver.

But it's sterlingsoap.com that's, that's where 90% of our orders come from.

So while we have a.

While we have a really nice storefront here.

I mean it's small town, rural Ark.

So we don't have a lot of, we don't have a ton of in store traffic.

If we were just relying on foot traffic to keep us afloat, we would have been out of business 30 seconds after we opened.

It's, it's our website that keeps us running.

So.

And that's where we ship from.

We'll, we ship orders all over the United States and we've got resellers all over, all over the world at this point.

You know, We, I like to tell people, you know, that one of the cool things about us, we sell more soap in Italy than we do in Arkansas.

Oh yeah, that's awesome.

By a long shot.

So we, we do our, through our distributor in Italy.

You know, we've got, almost every country in the EU has at least one store that, that carries Sterling Soap now.

So you, you can get our products just, just about anywhere.

You know, we've got, we've got resellers in China, South Korea, you know, South America.

It's, it's, it's good for you.

Congratulations on that.

That's cool.

Thank you.

It is cool.

I mean, like say it was something that, that started as a, as a hobby just so my wife and I weren't sitting around on our butts watching TV all night.

Because when, you know, when I got Back from my third tour in Iraq.

We didn't have any kids at the time, and it's just.

It, you know, we'd come up with the idea when we were on our honeymoon in Scotland that, hey, we should try making soap.

And, and that's.

That's where the name comes from.

It's from Scotland because that's where.

That's where we first hatched the.

The idea that we could.

We should make soap as a hobby.

So when we.

When we decided to become a company that we.

We threw it back to that just as a, you know, a thanks to that.

That town inspiring us to do something.

But even that, we never expected it to be anything more than me and her making soap and selling it at, like, farmers markets and things like that.

We never expected it to be something where, you know, we're selling all over the.

You know, not only do we make a.

A good living doing this, you know, we.

We enable other people to make a good living doing this.

And so that's the American dream, brother.

It really is.

I mean, we.

We've.

You're not the first person that's told us that.

And it's.

It's certainly not lost on us.

Like I said, it's.

We are.

We are very blessed to.

To be where we're at, because they said we got in at the right time.

You know, when we started our company, we originally were just doing bath soap.

And like I said, we.

We started on the shave right about the time that wet shaving was experiencing a renaissance.

And so you had a lot of people moving over to wet shaving because they.

To them, it's a better way of shaving.

Yeah, it may take you a minute, two minutes longer in the morning to do it, but their.

Their skin felt better because they're.

They're using an actual natural soap product on their face versus, you know, some chemicals they pumped out of a can, and they're using a single blade and a, you know, versus a three or five blade.

But the big thing is, you know, for me, for my razor, I can buy a 100 pack of blades for about 10 bucks.

Whereas 10 bucks will get you two Mach 5, you know, replacement cartridges, if that.

And so you.

You had a lot of, you know, all these things came together in a perfect storm, and a lot of people moved into wet shaving, you know, creating this.

This.

This resurgence and wet shaving.

And so we got in at the exact right time.

And so as wet shaving grew, our company continued to grow.

And, you know, and we've We've been able to.

Whereas a lot of companies like us have come and gone in the last 13 years, we've managed to maintain a foothold and continue to grow by adding more products.

So we're not just doing shaving soap, aftershave, post shave balms and things like that.

We've got lotions, beard oils, beard balms, lip balms, colognes and candles, wax melts, things like that, and brushes, razors, you know, anything you can think of.

You're probably drinking specialty coffee.

So that's why, that's when we moved into roasting our own coffee.

So that's a completely.

While it's sold through Sterling Soap.

Sterling Roastery is its own company that is wholly owned by my wife.

So it's a woman veteran owned company that she runs and I stay hands off unless she just needs me to.

These are her own mixtures, like the house blend I'm drinking.

This is something, a recipe that she put together with the roasting and everything.

100 her, she, she roasts all the coffee, she puts together the blends, she decides which, which country's beans are going to be, that we're going to be buying.

So I mean we, we buy our beans a pallet or two at a time from an importer out of Minneapolis.

And so, you know, we're, we're getting beans from Colombia, Ethiopia, Brazil, Indonesia, just all over the world.

And then, you know, and the difference between like what we're using and what you'll get it at, say from your local grocery store or even at Starbucks.

They're specialty grade beans.

They're, you know, they're, they're hand sorted and so there's, you know, any beans that are, have imperfections or anything like that are pulled out as they're coming through the line and you know, she's roasting the best of the best and she, she roasts them really well.

Do you folks ever sleep?

Holy cow.

You're all the things you got going on, your wife's, you know, mother and three young boys and you're roasting coffee, picking out beans, making soap.

Holy smoleys.

That's because I got a busy life down there.

You're definitely not watching tv like you said.

That's, that's what the Coffee for is for is to keep us going.

And we do.

There are plenty of times, believe me, where we sit the boys down.

It's like, all right, we're gonna watch a movie or we're gonna play.

We're gonna play some video games for a while so mama and papa can rest.

Yeah, I'll bet.

Well, that is really incredible and what a, what a great story your family's been in your company and I'm glad you told us about, you know, how the Sterling name came on because that's pretty cool too.

You guys are over in Scotland and on the honeymoon and picking that name because I was trying, I kept trying to make the connection.

That was one of the questions I was going to ask you.

So I'm glad you said that and then told us that.

That's.

That's really cool.

Very, very interesting, sir.

You have a great life, a great company, you have great products.

And I'll tell you what, my experience, I shared it with my listeners the other day.

I.

You sent me some samples and one of them is the, the post shave balm.

Is that what you called it?

The.

I.

I'm sitting there thinking, okay, this is like a lotion, you know, just to moisturize my face.

I said, it's, it's pretty dry up here in P.E.

pennsylvania, middle of February.

It's.

It's cold up here.

And I'm thinking, okay, I can use some wish.

So I put a little bit.

That bit of that on and holy cow, man.

I was, you know, it was Uchihawa.

I was woke up and really exciting.

You know, your face comes alive with that and, and the aftershave too.

So it's some good stuff and it really makes, makes you feel good in the morning after, after a shave.

So I appreciate that.

And then I sat down and had some sterling roastery coffee that your wife handmade.

And, and that was great too.

I really, I was ready to go to work.

You know, I was, I was flying all day.

So I appreciate you.

I'm really glad you enjoyed it.

Quick anecdote.

The.

The.

When I first knew we'd made it as a company, back to the name.

Still to this day a lot of people will like if they're writing reviews or they're sending us an email, they'll write it S T E R L I N G Sterling soap that way.

And when, when we realized the day had come that you could type in Sterling with an E into Google even if you typed in Sterling so Google would re.

Redirect you to the correct sterling.

So, and I was like, we've made it.

Yeah, yeah, you got, you got some popularity now.

Google's recognized.

Yeah.

So, so if somebody just tell us real briefly, you know, if the novices, you know, maybe you got some, some folks interested in the shaving aspect of sort of the old style shaving and you've got a lot of videos on how to's and everything.

But if somebody wants to start started.

Why don't you tell us a little bit about like your starter packs for somebody who wants to get into that style of shaving?

Sure.

I mean, so we've got three different levels of starter packs.

I mean and you can buy stuff a la carte, but we, we discount our, our starter packs ex.

I mean just super heavily, just, just as a way to get people to try it out, to get their foot in the door.

And, and so like our, we got a budget, a budget kit, a basic kit and a deluxe kit.

And the budget kit's all you really need.

It comes with a synthetic brush.

It comes with a handful of shaving soap samples that are, you know, it's enough so for probably two to three months worth of shaving, it'll come with a, a sampler pack of blades and, and the razor and it'll come with an aftershave sample as well.

So.

And it comes with it.

Rather than just using a normal pack of blades, we do a sampler pack.

So there's a, there's a saying in, in wet, the wet shaving community, your mileage may vary because one blade that works for one person another person may absolutely hate.

So you get a chance to try a handful of different blade brands in your razor and see which one your skin is the most comfortable with.

I mean everyone, everyone's skin is different.

Everyone's hair.

You know, some people have really wis thin beards and some people have, you know, super wiry barbed wire beards that, you know, you need a weed eater to whack through.

So.

But our budget kit is really all you need to get started.

And it's, it's around $30 and it'll be enough to, to easily, you know, shave for a few months and learn, you know, just this style of shaving.

Because there, I mean, to be honest, there is a learning curve.

You know, if you go in like you're shaving with a shick or a Gillette Mach 5 or whatever and press a safety razor against your face, you're going to draw a little blood.

But for, for those, it's very rare that we get somebody that gives it a full three weeks and, and learns the ins and outs of wet shaving.

It's very rare that we have someone that goes back to modern, you know, cartridge razor shaving and shaving with a, with canned gel or foam.

That, that's incredible.

And I'm glad you're bringing back some of these, these old lost arts and some things, you know, those before us had better ideas and some, some great ideas to do it because I remember my grandfather having those style razors and just amazed by the, the mechanical aspect of it, which is kind of cool when you're a kid, but it's, it's doing a good job shaving too.

So folks, if you're driving or you're not available to go online right now and go to the site, we're going to have the links in the show notes of both the podcast and the YouTube channel so you can get to Rod's products, both the shaving and the coffee.

I highly recommend both sides.

You're going to want to take a look at those and get some of those sample packs and get started this and get involved in this.

And like I told you at the top, we're going to talk about razors to razorbacks and we, and everything in between.

And we certainly have done that.

And Rob, we thank you for joining us today, sharing Arkansas football history and telling us a little bit about yourself, your family and your products.

Thanks so much for having me, Darren.

This has been a lot of fun and I'm, I'm really glad to, to be able to come on, but I'm also, I'm glad to support, you know, the entire Sports History Network and the Pigskin Dispatch.

It's, it's a blast.

And we, all of us at Sports History Network greatly appreciate you for what you're doing and supporting us and for coming on our shows too.

So thanks a lot, Rod.

My pleasure.

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