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“If you think about what health is, to me, it's the ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt… and then return to homeostasis, that's health.” says Dr. Stephen Hussey, returning to the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to upend everything you think you know about diet, exercise, and the story of health itself.
A successful chiropractor, Dr. Stephen Hussey devoted his life to exercising, following all the right nutrition advice, and mastering mainstream health protocols—until an unexpected heart attack in his early 30s shattered his certainty. That event launched him on a quest to uncover not just what’s missing from Western diets, but what’s fundamentally absent from our medical and health education systems: a deep, quantum-biological understanding of how human beings interact with their environment.
Now an author, researcher, and faculty member at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology, Dr. Stephen Hussey shares how the focus on diet, exercise, and even supplements remains a “reductionist” misconception—one that ignores the primal roles of light, environment, EMFs, and the body’s need for coherence. He reveals the gaps in both medical and chiropractic education, and explains why the biological mechanisms behind adaptation, circadian rhythm, and environmental signals are essential for true health.
Join today’s Quantum Biology Collective Podcast for a radical reexamination of what keeps us healthy, why institutional approaches so often fail, and how you can move beyond mere biochemistry to tap into the quantum and environmental foundations of optimal health.
5 Key Takeaways
- Upgrade your health paradigm—expand your focus beyond diet and exercise to include environment, light, EMFs, and relationships.
- Take radical ownership—your daily choices shape your biology more than any institution or standardized advice ever will.
- Don’t wait for permission—start experimenting, researching, and adapting quantum biology concepts in your life right now.
- Demand coherence in your body—prioritize practices like sunlight exposure, thoughtful movement, and time in nature to restore natural balance.
- Seek out practitioners who educate and empower—if your healthcare isn’t evolving with science, find guides who challenge the status quo and support your sovereignty.
Memorable Quotes
"If you think about what health is, to me, it's the ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt to any signal or stimulus in your life, and your body can have a reaction and then return to homeostasis, that's health."
"When you look at human physiology and biology, most of our education is from a biochemical and structural perspective. But we have to think about every environmental stimulus our bodies encounter—light, sound, relationships, toxins, movement, food, EMF—all these signals tell our body what to do. Most formal education is missing that philosophy of health."
"The most important thing that looking at things from a quantum perspective has given me is that we will never be smarter than nature. At some point, you have to throw up your hands and surrender to the higher power that is nature. If you put yourself in that environment, your physiology knows what to do and you'll see the result."
Connect with Dr. Stephen
Resource Your Health – https://www.resourceyourhealth.com/
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The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life by Arthur Firstenberg - https://amzn.to/4aTYIBP
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If you think about what health is, to me, it's the
Speaker:ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt, like
Speaker:to any certain signal or stimulus or whatever in your life
Speaker:and your body can have a reaction to it and then return to homeostasis, that's
Speaker:health. Welcome to the QVC podcast where we explore exciting new
Speaker:paradigms that have a meaningful impact on our day to day
Speaker:lives. I'm your host, Meredith Oak. Let's keep the
Speaker:conversation going. Join us in our free community by visiting
Speaker:qbcpod.com that's Q
Speaker:qvcpod.com and let's see where the quantum
Speaker:superhighway takes us next. The old paradigm
Speaker:way of looking at health was to focus exclusively on diet and
Speaker:exercise. If you wanted to take control of your health, it was all about diet
Speaker:and exercise. Now most people still operate out of
Speaker:that paradigm. Not you guys, but most people. Not us,
Speaker:but most people, including most practitioners. The
Speaker:practitioners have expanded it a little bit to include
Speaker:supplements and if they're on the allopathic side, then it's mostly focused on
Speaker:prescription and they may not even look at the diet and exercise
Speaker:piece. And my guest today is going to sort of
Speaker:break down what that education looks like,
Speaker:how it impacts the way that your practitioners are looking at
Speaker:health, the benefits of it, the rigor of having a 4,
Speaker:6 year degree and also what's missing, the
Speaker:reductionist way that traditional
Speaker:educational systems look at health and how we can move out of it.
Speaker:So we really dig into what the standard structure
Speaker:of a health credential looks like, what it covers,
Speaker:what it doesn't cover, how we can shift the conversation, how we can
Speaker:shift institutions if we can, and what we
Speaker:really need to be looking at when we look at health today. And it's
Speaker:not just diet and exercise, of course, it's. It is how our biology is
Speaker:interacting with our environment as a whole. So Dr.
Speaker:Hussey has some great insights on that. As somebody who
Speaker:followed very closely all of the
Speaker:standard advice on how to be exceptionally healthy and ended up
Speaker:having a heart attack in his early 30s. So that put him on a
Speaker:totally different course. And he has now gone deep, deep, deep into
Speaker:quantum biology and biophysics and, and has a
Speaker:very in depth understanding of
Speaker:heart health and health in general from this new
Speaker:paradigm, which he has come to
Speaker:understand by doing his own research, by taking extra certifications
Speaker:and he is now a faculty member at the Institute of Applied Quantum
Speaker:Biology. He's written three books and he's an
Speaker:independent practitioner that is really, I think, at the forefront of doing what,
Speaker:what needs to be done, which is shifting the
Speaker:paradigm from the ground up, you know,
Speaker:which is what all of you are doing. Whether you are a practitioner or a
Speaker:health coach or a client of one of those people, just by
Speaker:exploring, researching, applying new ways of thinking
Speaker:about biology, you are in fact making
Speaker:the change happen. It doesn't have to. We don't have to wait for
Speaker:the CDC or the NIH to put out a, a bulletin. But
Speaker:a lot of those lately, we could just do it, which is really
Speaker:what's so fun about being in the world. So enjoy this. It's
Speaker:a really important conversation and I know that you will like it. I look forward
Speaker:to hearing your feedback and questions afterwards. And of course, don't forget to
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Speaker:to read before bed. We use them as flashlights. We use them if we need
Speaker:to see in a room that doesn't have a red light in it at night.
Speaker:Gotta go downstairs in the middle of the night or something like that. They're super
Speaker:handy. Those are my, that's my top, my top pick for this month
Speaker:is the little red night lights. And then of course there is also red light
Speaker:therapy devices. And speaking about making sure that
Speaker:our biology is in sync with our environment,
Speaker:I definitely recommend our new sponsor which is
Speaker:the My Circadian app. You just go to the app store
Speaker:on your device and put My Circadian and
Speaker:there is an app in there that was designed for
Speaker:regular people who are not super
Speaker:techy and not super sciency to be able to track light
Speaker:and dark cycles, the different UV windows,
Speaker:which translates to vitamin D, moon cycles, even luck.
Speaker:There's a lux meter in there. It does all kinds of really fun things. If
Speaker:you're a practitioner, you're definitely gonna want this. The practitioner
Speaker:version allows you to put in the location of your clients so you can
Speaker:see what is going on in their environment specifically and help them fine
Speaker:tune their their circadian habits to make sure they're
Speaker:synced up. It's super fun stuff. It's a super fun world,
Speaker:you guys. There's so much cool stuff happening and I so appreciate you being
Speaker:here and contributing to it and supporting it and you
Speaker:are amazing. Have fun with this convo. Stephen
Speaker:Hussey welcome back to the Quantum Biology Collective podcast. I
Speaker:think this is this three or Four times, I forget. But it's
Speaker:always super fun. I love it.
Speaker:Okay, so I'm going to jump right in. If people want like a
Speaker:deep dive into Steven's story. I have, as I just said, at least two other,
Speaker:maybe three other interviews in the archives. You can go to QBCPOD and put in
Speaker:Hussy H U S S E Y and it'll, they'll all come up. I don't
Speaker:remember the episodes offhand, so I, I wanna jump right in
Speaker:because today we're gonna talk about the field of chiropractic.
Speaker:What's missing, what used to be there
Speaker:that's not there anymore, your thoughts on the whole thing. So we'll start
Speaker:off. You were a successful chiropractor.
Speaker:You'd been in practice for nine years. You were really good at what you did,
Speaker:you were early 30s and
Speaker:as one does, you had a full on heart attack
Speaker:and the trajectory changed from there. So let's start with that.
Speaker:Yeah, well, just you saying the trajectory changed from there, that's, that's
Speaker:interesting because it's this thing that obviously most people would consider
Speaker:this bad thing, right? That happened to me, but it has kind of
Speaker:turned into one of the best things that's ever happened to me because of
Speaker:where it took me, where I went to try and figure out why it happened
Speaker:and the things that I found. And now it's what I'm known for.
Speaker:And now I'm coaching people through their heart
Speaker:disease or to heart health. That's what I do for a living now. I don't
Speaker:even practice chiropractic anymore. I stopped doing that six months ago because this is
Speaker:what I do full time. So yeah, definitely changed trajectory for me.
Speaker:And in a way it, it's, what I'm doing now is more
Speaker:rewarding to me than chiropractic ever was. And we'll probably get
Speaker:into that and I'll get into that more as we get into it. But
Speaker:yeah, so obviously it changes trajectory for me because at that
Speaker:moment in time, obviously I missed something, right? Something happened because
Speaker:I had always been interested in health my entire adult life, ever since college when
Speaker:I figured out that I could live my life in a certain way and have
Speaker:a direct impact on my health, which no doctor ever really told me. I was
Speaker:like, okay, I can take back control and take the reins on this. And so
Speaker:I'd always kind of eaten well, as whole foods as I could, tried various
Speaker:diets. You know, I did paleo, did vegan, did low carb, did
Speaker:all these things and found what Worked for me. Exercise. I was always
Speaker:athletic and played a lot of sports, so that was just kind of part of
Speaker:who I was. But it always kept me active, just wanting to play sports. So.
Speaker:And people think that that's what it takes to create health, right? You eat right
Speaker:and you exercise. That's what we're kind of been told forever. And
Speaker:formal education was no different. It was the same kind of messages
Speaker:there is that, that you eat right and exercise. That's what. Like in
Speaker:undergrad, I learned my major was health and wellness promotion.
Speaker:And in that, if I wanted to go to chiropractic school, I had to take
Speaker:all these other science classes too, the biologies, the chemistries, all that stuff.
Speaker:But yeah, in health and wellness promotion, I remember, I mean, I had basic classes.
Speaker:It was basically everything had to do with movement and food, right?
Speaker:And that was it. There was no other talk of any other aspect of health
Speaker:really. Like, to get a bachelor's degree in health and wellness promotion, you
Speaker:learned about exercise and you learned about food and, you know, that's great.
Speaker:Those are important parts of living healthy, right? But they're
Speaker:definitely not the full story. It's very incomplete. And so,
Speaker:yeah, even then in chiropractic school, you know, I stayed active and
Speaker:ate well as I could. And in chiropractic school was when I was vegan for
Speaker:two years, which ended up not working well for me in the end
Speaker:for various reasons. But I, I mean, I. I'm thinking back
Speaker:to like, what that education was like. And it was
Speaker:so, first of all, like, just so people have this context, because we're going to
Speaker:talk a lot about chiropractic today. There's. I didn't know this,
Speaker:going to chiropractic school, like I, I went to. My parents took me to a
Speaker:chiropractor at a very young age. And they said that it helped me with my
Speaker:asthma. I have no memory of that, of it helping, but they said that it
Speaker:helped me with that I was able to get rid of asthma later in life
Speaker:by doing other lifestyle things. But then I didn't go to a
Speaker:chiropractor again. And probably until college I started to go into one again
Speaker:and had no concept of this philosophy of
Speaker:chiropractic, the different, like the divide in chiropractic
Speaker:or anything like that. So when I'm applying to schools, no idea that there's
Speaker:different philosophies and different things in schools. We all have the same board exams.
Speaker:We have to pass the same board exams regardless of school you go to. But
Speaker:there's really had no idea that like the school that I ended up going
Speaker:to, which was University of Western States considers themselves one of the
Speaker:most evidence based schools. They're teaching based off the literature, which
Speaker:I appreciate that they taught me how to critique literature and read literature
Speaker:and ways like that. It helped get me a lot of places when I was
Speaker:reading literature about cardiovascular disease. But yeah, there's like that side of the spectrum
Speaker:and there's some schools on that side and on the other side there's the very
Speaker:philosophy based schools which are very much like treat
Speaker:the spinal cord, treat the spine and the nervous system and everything will
Speaker:work better. And there's kind of two different things. Whereas this side is very do
Speaker:what the research says, like treat pain and treat conditions based on what the
Speaker:research says is effective. And so it's very interesting. Whereas
Speaker:two different. And then there's a bunch of schools in the middle where there are
Speaker:varying degrees of either side of those extremes. So yeah, it was very
Speaker:interesting to have no concept of that going in. And then even
Speaker:then like at my school they
Speaker:were very big on, they wanted them to make us as close to primary care
Speaker:physicians as we could. So what that means is basically any
Speaker:someone could come in with literally anything and doesn't mean that I can treat that
Speaker:thing, but I can diagnose it or at least recognize it and refer them out
Speaker:to who they need to go to. So my school was very proud of treating
Speaker:us to be primary care physicians. And I noticed was a
Speaker:chiropractic school. But they, yes, really
Speaker:seemed to have modeled themselves as a medical school. Yeah.
Speaker:And a lot of people would say that people who want to practice
Speaker:chiropractors, they're calling them medi practors is what they're calling them because it's very
Speaker:much that way. And again, there's no problem with that. I'm not complaining
Speaker:about it. It's just the way that school's philosophy was, was to be
Speaker:very familiar with the research. What does chiropractic actually treat as far as these
Speaker:diagnosable conditions? Right. Whereas a
Speaker:very medical philosophy it's we have to find a diagnosis in order
Speaker:to treat something. Whereas if not very non medical philosophy
Speaker:would be like regardless of what the symptoms are because sometimes the collection of
Speaker:symptoms does not match up with your diagnosis or a diagnosis that
Speaker:you're trying to get it to fit. Right. It doesn't match up. You still know
Speaker:what to do. Right. Because you recognize the same imbalances in the body
Speaker:that literally cause all. When a body is telling you something is wrong, you
Speaker:recognize the imbalances that are causing that, and you can fix
Speaker:those, and the body figures it out. Right. Rather than saying,
Speaker:I need to know exactly what's going on, have a diagnosis before I can do
Speaker:anything. So it just to. And I didn't get exposure to that more
Speaker:philosophical side of things until later because I got this
Speaker:education that told me that this is the way to do things, and that's fine.
Speaker:But I've never really. I've never been a person that's
Speaker:more like, hoorah. Get involved in this thing because I
Speaker:like it and I want to be involved in this. And it's kind of a
Speaker:belief. It's whatever. It's all always skeptical to me. Like, I've never been a very
Speaker:big proponent of, like, I believe in
Speaker:chiropractic. Right. I think that it's great. Right. But I've never been that way.
Speaker:I've never been like, yeah, I believe in. This is the best thing to do.
Speaker:I love all chiropractic. It's all great. I've never been that kind of person.
Speaker:It doesn't mean that I don't like chiropractic. It just means that I'm not. I
Speaker:guess I'm not tribal, I would say. I was gonna say it's. It sounds like
Speaker:you're just not an all or nothing thinker. Yeah. Which is
Speaker:incredibly helpful because I do see that a lot, Whether it's on the
Speaker:professional side or even just the other side. Even with light, people are like, I'm
Speaker:gonna watch the sunrise every morning. And then that's it. I never have to do
Speaker:anything else again. All my problems are fixed. It's like, okay, that's not what we
Speaker:said. Yeah, right, exactly. So. So I. I came into things
Speaker:with that kind of mentality. Just kind of like, whatever. I'm just learning stuff, having
Speaker:no idea. But then later, having worked with lots of different
Speaker:chiropractors who went to different schools, I'm starting to
Speaker:see, oh, there's a whole different way of doing this or practicing this.
Speaker:And then I learned that there's this huge divide in the profession, which is why
Speaker:chiropractic, or one of the reasons why chiropractic seems to not
Speaker:be able to get anywhere as far as, like, politically or
Speaker:legislatively. Because when state or federal
Speaker:governments are getting legislation from chiropractic as far as what we can do, what we
Speaker:can't do, they're getting two pieces of legislation, one from the ICA and one from
Speaker:the ACA who have different philosophies and the legislators are like, well, what do
Speaker:you chiropractors want? We don't know what you want, so therefore we're not going to
Speaker:do anything. And that's kind of a big issue. One of them is the more
Speaker:medically evidence based. Everything we do comes from the literature. And
Speaker:the other one being the more philosophical base like
Speaker:treat the, treat the person and see what happens. Yeah, it seems
Speaker:to be that's the divide. Now, you couldn't go to a chiropractor though, any
Speaker:chiropractor, and be like, so which one are you? Because it's all across the
Speaker:board. That's why you really have to go to a practitioner and see if they
Speaker:fit with you and see if you like what they do and how they explain
Speaker:it and everything. Because there's chiropractors that are full
Speaker:blown functional medicine and they're just taking blood work and recommending supplements and that's all
Speaker:they do. They don't even do chiropractic. And then there's chiropractors who just adjust the
Speaker:spine and that's pretty much all they do. Then there's chiropractors who do
Speaker:all kinds of muscle work or physical therapy or whatever.
Speaker:Like there's all kinds of things. And it varies depending on the state of what
Speaker:chiropractors can do. In some states, chiropractors can take
Speaker:blood work and interpret that, and other. And others they can't. You know, so
Speaker:it's crazy. Like in, in Oregon, where I went to school in
Speaker:Portland, chiropractors are technically, at least last time I checked,
Speaker:they're still allowed to deliver babies, do
Speaker:proctology exams and gynecological exams. If you do
Speaker:extra training, you can't do that coming out of school. But under your license,
Speaker:if you do extra training and you get certified in those things, you can do
Speaker:them in that state, whereas most other states you cannot do those things
Speaker:whatsoever. There's even, even minor surgery. Chiropractors can do
Speaker:that. And so going to school in Oregon, I had to learn all those
Speaker:things because in the state that I went to school, that was under my
Speaker:license. So I had to learn them. And to get my state license, I had
Speaker:to test on those. Whereas in lots of other states you don't have to
Speaker:get your license. So just very interesting. It's very different. This
Speaker:is actually very helpful because I always think that you're a doctor and then I'm
Speaker:like, oh no. And then I go check. I'm like, oh no, he's A chiropractor.
Speaker:But the way you talk about things, which is how I know he was talking
Speaker:to you, I'm like, you sound and speak like a doctor. Okay, so
Speaker:now I'm seeing why. Got it. It's interesting. It's interesting that you say that and
Speaker:you notice that because I wouldn't know that. It's just my experience that I'm
Speaker:speaking from. So going through that. Like, I remember, like in
Speaker:chiropractic school, everybody thinks that. I mean, first of all, the first
Speaker:two years of chiropractic school are just like medical school,
Speaker:like a traditional medical school. And the reason I know that is because in
Speaker:Portland, where I went to school, they had the four big kind
Speaker:of medical discipline schools were in Portland. They had the ohsu, which is the
Speaker:medical school, and dental school. They had University of Western States, the
Speaker:chiropractic school, the National College of Natural Medicine, which is naturopathic school, and then
Speaker:Oriental College of Medicine. So they're all there. So they had this group called
Speaker:same. I forget what it standed for, but it was basically students something, something. So
Speaker:we all got together to talk. People who wanted to come got together. So I
Speaker:got to know people. Yeah, I was also dating somebody in
Speaker:the naturopathic program, or I did for a little while. So I got to know
Speaker:people in the naturopathic program. And then a friend of mine in chiropractic school,
Speaker:her boyfriend, who's now her husband, was in. At medical school.
Speaker:And then a friend of mine in chiropractic school, his best friend from college was
Speaker:in the dental program. So we all kind of got together and. And got to
Speaker:know each other and compared our curriculums. And the first two years was
Speaker:exactly the same. Like we're learning all the basic science, all the
Speaker:physiology, all the anatomy, all the pathology.
Speaker:Everything was exactly the same. We were taking all the same courses. And then after
Speaker:that it differed. Right after that, we started adjusting a lot more,
Speaker:looking at very neuromusculoskeletal type conditions. The medical school
Speaker:went pretty deep into pharma. The Natural College of Natural
Speaker:Medicine did. The naturopaths did lots of herbalism and
Speaker:lots of other therapies. They did all kinds of things. So it was very interesting
Speaker:to see things change as we were going through our education.
Speaker:But the reason I say that is because people don't are
Speaker:unfamiliar with the types of education. Right. And so.
Speaker:But then when we got. When I got into later quarters and I'm learning things
Speaker:like nutrition, that was. I had two or three nutrition classes in chiropractic school.
Speaker:People think that, oh, yeah, chiropractors learned all these alternative ways to do
Speaker:things. And technically that's true. But when I think back on my
Speaker:nutrition courses, absolutely terrible. Based on what I know
Speaker:now, just terrible. No offense to the professor or the school or
Speaker:the curriculum or whatever, but it was basically just like nutrition
Speaker:meant to them, supplements. That's what I was learning. I was learning,
Speaker:okay, we have this evidence for this supplement to do this. You can do that.
Speaker:And then, like, when I was going through clinic, like a student Internet, I had
Speaker:to get certain nutrition credits, so I had to recommend nutrition to someone. That meant
Speaker:recommending a supplement to them. That was my nutrition credit. Yeah. So it's like
Speaker:a prescription model, but with supplements instead of
Speaker:drugs. Yeah. And unfortunately, so. So I.
Speaker:I guess I've always been curious or like, I was going through chiropractic school and
Speaker:got this education and felt like that's not what I wanted
Speaker:to learn. It wasn't what I. Everything I thought, there has to be something more.
Speaker:Right. It can't just be you adjust the spine and give supplements. I can't. That
Speaker:can't be right. And it can't just be. Doesn't make sense to me to kind
Speaker:of think of it as a. As a trying to diagnose somebody with something.
Speaker:Right. Because there's chiropractors that just do sports medicine, and all
Speaker:they do is treat athletic injuries and things like that. And so
Speaker:after chiropractic school, I was like, there has to be more. So then my school
Speaker:had just launched this human nutrition and functional medicine master's program.
Speaker:So I was like, okay, I'll go do that. Because it was like, partly. It
Speaker:was like half online, half in school. So I did the in classroom
Speaker:part, and then I went to Ireland while I finished the rest of it. Because
Speaker:I went to Ireland after chiropractic school, and that didn't tell
Speaker:me what I thought I wanted to know. I. It just didn't. It was just
Speaker:unsatisfying to me. I mean, we. I learned a lot of things. It was good.
Speaker:Like, we talked a lot more about actual nutrition in that program. We
Speaker:talked about things like oxidative stress and genetics, but there was a lot more
Speaker:supplements. Right. And actually, to his credit, the guy
Speaker:who started that program, his name was Alex Vasquez, and he started the
Speaker:whole program. He built the whole program. And then the school wanted to sell out
Speaker:the standard process, which Standard Process is a good supplement company if you're into
Speaker:supplements. Right. They wanted to take a bunch of money from Standard Process in order
Speaker:for them to recommend only Standard Process products in the program.
Speaker:And he was like, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to
Speaker:sell out. So he left. And I was like, good on him. That's
Speaker:awesome. You know, so. So he left. But so anyways,
Speaker:that's kind of my formal education. It was that kind of
Speaker:story. But even after the functional medicine program, it was like, I'm unsatisfied. I
Speaker:don't know what causes disease. Nothing told me what caused this disease, and that's
Speaker:what I was looking for. So you had like this intuitive sense that the
Speaker:picture was incomplete. Yeah. And then you had
Speaker:a health event that kind of proved the picture was
Speaker:incomplete. Because if all of that had been sufficient,
Speaker:why would you be having a heart attack at 30 years old? Right. Or
Speaker:so even then, like as a chiropractor, you know, I learned
Speaker:about neuromusculoskeletal disorders and about the nervous system and things
Speaker:like that. But the way that I see
Speaker:that stuff now is totally different than what I think the traditional chiropractor would think,
Speaker:whether they're more medical based or more philosophical based. But yeah, it was
Speaker:clearly something that I missed because even then I was eating well and exercising and
Speaker:all that stuff. And I did that for after chiropractic school for nine
Speaker:years. And then, yeah, had this cardiac event
Speaker:seemingly out of the blue. All my testing looked great. There was nothing that told
Speaker:people this was going to happen, and it still happened. So
Speaker:that got me more curious and looking into more things
Speaker:to try and figure out what that was. But it also got me really focused
Speaker:on heart disease. I mean, I was already somewhat focused on heart disease because I'm
Speaker:type one diabetic. And so that heavily predisposed me to heart disease
Speaker:technically. So I've always kind of thought about that. But
Speaker:this got me really thinking about it, obviously figuring out why this
Speaker:happened and. And that led me down this path of where I am
Speaker:now. So, yeah, knowing what you know now, when
Speaker:you look back at that curriculum, which I think by
Speaker:general standards was actually pretty good, it. I've
Speaker:heard, you know, it could have been a lot worse. What was missing? When you
Speaker:look at the especially western states and trying
Speaker:to be more of a medical side of things, like that education
Speaker:was the standard. Like if you go to any medical school anywhere,
Speaker:like OHSU in Oregon, like, you're going to get that same education. It's just going
Speaker:to vary a little bit after when we go to treatments, like based on what
Speaker:you can treat. So, yes, it was very good. And it's standardized across
Speaker:all chiropractic schools, so we all have to pass the same boards and get the
Speaker:same credits for things. So. So, yeah, so that was the case.
Speaker:Very, very high level of education. What was it missing?
Speaker:Why did I. Why could I not prevent this? Right. Those are answers that I've
Speaker:had to come to through my own research. I always credit my
Speaker:dad for this and giving me this curiosity because he's always, like, when
Speaker:we were growing up, he'd ask us just random questions, and we. Even if we
Speaker:knew the answer, he'd be like, but why? You know? And so we're just always
Speaker:having to tell him why about stuff. Or even, like, science
Speaker:projects in elementary school. Like, we do the product, this is what we got. And
Speaker:he's like, yeah, but why? And we have to think about that. So it gave
Speaker:me this curiosity. Fortunately, I have hardly been reading a lot about health in
Speaker:general. And it wasn't until after the heart attack that I really
Speaker:started getting into light because I was aware of
Speaker:circadian rhythm and I was aware of sunlight being healthy and things
Speaker:like that. But the whole reason this started for me, which
Speaker:I don't often say on podcasts, was that I didn't. I didn't
Speaker:know what I was doing right after the heart attack. And I've had this success,
Speaker:and I've been able to figure out why I was successful and all this stuff.
Speaker:And that's great. But in the first, I didn't know what I was doing. They
Speaker:just scared me into thinking I was going to develop heart failure because I just
Speaker:had a heart attack. Which is the biggest. A big issue after you get damaged
Speaker:to tissue in your heart is you could develop heart failure. And the only thing
Speaker:I knew at that time was I was well aware of the research that showed
Speaker:that infrared sauna was phenomenal for heart failure. And I was
Speaker:like, infrared light, this is it. So I got a sauna and started
Speaker:doing that and then just started researching more and more and more. So that's where.
Speaker:That's how I got onto light was just that little bit of information
Speaker:right there, and then applying it to all these different things, like, well, that makes
Speaker:sense because the sun is always infrared light. Anytime it's up, there's an
Speaker:infrared light. And so I just started making sense of all these things
Speaker:and then recognize, like, based on your question, is what was
Speaker:missing? Is that right there. What's missing is that we're
Speaker:looking at human physiology
Speaker:and biology from a
Speaker:biochemical perspective, from a structural and a
Speaker:biochemical perspective. So even then, I think about it
Speaker:like as I wrote this book on chronic pain. It's been out a couple
Speaker:years now, and I'm thinking about that too. People think of pain as this very
Speaker:physical thing. I think about a physical therapist or a chiropractor. We're
Speaker:thinking that we have to treat this tissue physically to get it to stop
Speaker:expressing pain. And that's not the case
Speaker:necessarily. I mean, a physical ailment can be one contributor
Speaker:to why someone would have a change in a tissue that would cause the brain
Speaker:to express a pain signal. But it's.
Speaker:It's much more than that. There's more than just this physical aspect of something
Speaker:or the biochemical changes that happen due to the physical aspects of it.
Speaker:And so as I'm starting to learn all that stuff, I'm like, where was that
Speaker:in my education whatsoever, all we're learning about? I mean,
Speaker:I had to take organic chemistry and then biochemistry and all
Speaker:these courses in college and in chiropractic school, because it was all based on
Speaker:that. It was just little letters that interact with each other and make different things.
Speaker:And it was very linear and it was very one step after the other.
Speaker:And even your labs, it was just trained you that that's the way physiology works,
Speaker:is that you just one reaction after the next. It's these biochemical
Speaker:interactions. That's what drives everything. Even like nutrition and even
Speaker:supplements in pharmaceuticals, they're all based off of, how can we
Speaker:change the biochemistry? Right? We're looking at nutrition.
Speaker:We're reducing it down to the nutrients in the food or in the supplement
Speaker:or whatever that have the biochemical reaction to change this. And so
Speaker:that's where I think you just trained that. That's the way that it is, right?
Speaker:And then from a physical perspective, all you're doing is you're looking from the outside
Speaker:like, I got a shoulder problem. Okay, there's something wrong in the
Speaker:shoulder. You're not really connecting that and chiropractic. There's a little bit
Speaker:more of this where you're connecting it to the nervous system and how it's signaling
Speaker:to the shoulder and things like that. But I've come across other
Speaker:techniques and philosophies of things that make way more sense from a physical perspective
Speaker:and how it is about the nervous system. But I think about
Speaker:it way differently than how chiropractic thinks about the nervous system. So there was just
Speaker:all this stuff missing. And to some extent it's
Speaker:understandable that it's Missing because if you're going to bring people
Speaker:in and give them education for four years,
Speaker:like you've got to make it this and you got to give them that, that's
Speaker:what you're paying for. Right. If you try to teach somebody all the things that
Speaker:I've learned since then in a four year program, that's impossible. You're not going to
Speaker:do that or be able to very successfully. You're not. It's definitely
Speaker:hard to standardize it too. Which, that's the thing is you have to standardize. Yeah,
Speaker:I know. Yeah, you would know that, wouldn't you?
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, you would know that. There's a lot of moving parts. So it's, it's
Speaker:like that's what's, what's missing is philosophy of health. Because
Speaker:if you think about what health is, to me
Speaker:it's the ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt
Speaker:like to any certain signal or stimulus or whatever in your life
Speaker:and your body can have a reaction to it and then return to homeostasis. That's
Speaker:healthy, right? So if we think about it from that perspective,
Speaker:we can't just think about the biochemical interactions
Speaker:or the physical things that happen to us. We have to think about every
Speaker:single environmental stimuli that our bodies come into contact with day in and
Speaker:day out. And now you're thinking, oh well, that
Speaker:could be light, it could be sound, it could be
Speaker:relationships, it could be toxins, it could be movement, it could be food,
Speaker:it could be whatever, emf, it could be all these things. All
Speaker:these things are just signals to our body that are telling it to do one
Speaker:thing or the other, which is a very important concept. Especially when I talk about
Speaker:how I do chiropractic now. It'll come back, but
Speaker:we have to look at all of it. And most educations,
Speaker:medical, chiropractic, maybe even naturopathic, they may be a bit more
Speaker:broad, but are looking at it from very, very
Speaker:biochemical perspective and physical tissue perspective,
Speaker:because that's how you can standardize something. That's how you can make it an education
Speaker:and make it four years, make it reasonable, that kind of thing. But it's missing
Speaker:and it's, it's so incomplete that any sort of
Speaker:formal education on some sort of professional healthcare
Speaker:practice is incomplete. And it's why coming out of
Speaker:school today, I think students are just incredibly
Speaker:ill equipped to handle what we're seeing because
Speaker:their education's been so reductionist into what is
Speaker:contributing to all this disease. And reductionist is the right word because it's not
Speaker:that it's incorrect, it's just like
Speaker:one layer. But if everything is reduced to
Speaker:that one layer, then any part of health or symptom
Speaker:or condition or experience that a person is having that is
Speaker:coming from the other layers is not going to be addressed. And I'm
Speaker:critical of functional medicine because I have a master's degree in it, but I'm
Speaker:critical because I've had clients and people over the years, patients as
Speaker:a chiropractor, that come to me and say, yeah, I'm professional medicine practitioner and
Speaker:I'm taking 15 supplements a day. And there's a few issues
Speaker:with that. One is that that's incredibly expensive for someone to do. But
Speaker:two is that it's the same philosophy as Western
Speaker:medicine. You take blood work and you treat the blood work with supplements rather
Speaker:than treat the blood work with medications. It's not health. You're not going to create
Speaker:health by that. And the reason I know that is because, and you know,
Speaker:functional medicine does address environment, they do address lifestyle, and so I'll give them
Speaker:that. But if you think that 15 supplements is more important than
Speaker:the environment, then you're not doing a service to somebody, right? Because
Speaker:you could take all the supplements in the world. You could take a medication, you
Speaker:could go to a clinic and have a treatment, right? But if you come back
Speaker:from doing those things or you do those things in the environment
Speaker:that's giving you the signals to tell your body to be sick, they're not going
Speaker:to help, right? And so now the
Speaker:person is just doing these things, thinking that it's helping while not addressing the
Speaker:actual things that are telling the body to be sick, which means their light
Speaker:environment or their lack of movement or their EMF or their whatever
Speaker:else would be their dental infections. What, like, whatever it could be. There could be
Speaker:so many different things. It's incredibly lacking. And again, at some point
Speaker:it's understandable because it's really hard. How do you get all that information into
Speaker:one education and give people a piece of paper that says they can do something
Speaker:now? That's really what education is. Yeah. Piece of paper. Yeah. And,
Speaker:and truly, as we were just talking about, there are some
Speaker:basic ways you can be equipped, but then it needs to be to be an
Speaker:ongoing process. And I also think that if the
Speaker:paradigm shifted a little, right? And that's why
Speaker:I really, you know, God bless the scientists who
Speaker:invented the term quantum biology, because quantum, to me,
Speaker:that like, gives instead of just, you know, one section
Speaker:of the library, it's like the whole library all the books on
Speaker:all the different things that you've just mentioned have a place on the shelf
Speaker:if you expand from a biochemical view to a quantum view
Speaker:and mechanisms of action to go with it, which is always what they're
Speaker:after, right? Well, I think that just.
Speaker:You said mechanisms of action, and that just put this whole thought into my head,
Speaker:because I think that the most important thing that looking at things from a
Speaker:quantum perspective has given me is that we will
Speaker:not ever be smarter than nature. Ever.
Speaker:Right? And so if we think we can be, if we think we
Speaker:can master the next biochemical pathway, which, again,
Speaker:is what medicine is trying to do. I used to. I used to work in
Speaker:a clinic as a chiropractor across the street from the Virginia Tech School of Medicine
Speaker:and Research. I would get all these PhD students coming in. I'd always ask them,
Speaker:what are you working on? And they tell me, oh, I'm working on this very
Speaker:specific biochemical pathway to see if I can create some molecule to change that. Because
Speaker:it's all, where's the next pharmaceutical, Right? Where can we make something?
Speaker:And again, very reductionist. But they're trying to change this one
Speaker:biochemical pathway and think they're going to affect a whole disease process that has all
Speaker:these complex mechanisms or within a complex
Speaker:biological ecosystem. So when you look at things from a quantum perspective and you realize
Speaker:that something can happen and that a hundred different things can happen all at the
Speaker:same time, and how that makes it almost impossible to predict
Speaker:what's going to happen, you just have to throw your hands up and be like,
Speaker:why am I even trying to research this biochemical pathway? Because that doesn't even
Speaker:make sense, that I'll never be able to figure it out. And,
Speaker:yeah, like, when you, like I've heard mathematicians talk about it, and like, you get
Speaker:two things, you can kind of predict how they're going to interact with each other.
Speaker:You get three, it becomes harder, you get four, you get five. It's almost impossible
Speaker:now. And we're talking about hundreds of reactions at the same time.
Speaker:So when you think about it that way, to me it's.
Speaker:And I've expressed this to clients recently a lot, which is probably why I popped
Speaker:into my head. It's almost as if we're creating this false
Speaker:idol that is medicine, that is science,
Speaker:right. And that this is the standard by which we're trying to do things. And
Speaker:those things are trying to basically tell us, or we're trying
Speaker:to using those things. We're trying to tell ourselves that we're Smarter than
Speaker:nature or smarter than God or smarter than the universe or whatever you want to
Speaker:say, right? When in reality, what quantum, I think biology
Speaker:teaches us, you see that from that perspective, is that at some point you have
Speaker:to kind of throw up your hands and surrender to the
Speaker:higher power. That is what I would to consider nature, right? And if you put
Speaker:yourself in that environment, your physiology knows what to do and you're never going to
Speaker:understand how it's doing it or why it's doing it, but you
Speaker:will see the result. And so it's not about
Speaker:me trying to do this science or diagnose this thing that
Speaker:I think that I can control the way the body's doing something or give this
Speaker:pill or give this whatever. It's about throwing your hands up and saying, go back
Speaker:to this environment and make that be your baseline.
Speaker:Right? And if your baseline is that, then that's a
Speaker:great place to start right now you've created this as much as you can within
Speaker:the confines of your modern world. Go back to nature, recreate nature. And that
Speaker:means that sometimes, yes, we have to use some modern day things that help us
Speaker:recreate that because we all just can't go live in the woods. And then you
Speaker:can use some select maybe supplements or maybe this here and there, but your baseline
Speaker:has to be this. Throwing your hands up and going back to this and
Speaker:surrendering to that because that's the only really way that your
Speaker:physiology is going to get the right signals. And what it does with that is
Speaker:up to the body. But we have to at least give it that chance. And
Speaker:that's the almost like people ask me all the time, like, how do you know
Speaker:you're not going to have another heart attack? And I'm like, that's why. Because I
Speaker:just kind of gave up and said I'll give myself to this
Speaker:higher power. That is the philosophy that I have. And yeah, I could tell you
Speaker:all these different things in science about why I think that works, but in reality
Speaker:I don't need to understand that. I just kind of like to, because I'm curious.
Speaker:But yeah, I hope that makes sense. It makes perfect sense.
Speaker:And I think going back to what you were saying, how you were trained on
Speaker:diet and exercise, diet and exercise. You know, for
Speaker:women my age, we grew up on that. The adults when
Speaker:we were teenagers, the adults in our lives getting middle aged,
Speaker:wanting to get healthy diet and exercise. And so they
Speaker:see me doing all this stuff and talking about all this stuff and they're kind
Speaker:of like, what are you doing? And I'm like, everything in our environment
Speaker:is affecting us, and our environment has
Speaker:changed a lot since. Since we were teenagers. So. Yeah,
Speaker:it's exactly what you're saying and what I feel like quantum biology does.
Speaker:And I'd love for you to give a little of the science on this is
Speaker:like, give that grounding to ex
Speaker:a little bit, like, for your dad. Right. Okay. But why? It's like, what do
Speaker:you mean? Who cares? Like, it's fine. Seems
Speaker:fine. When in reality, we could be like, we're putting ourselves
Speaker:in a, you know, destruction chamber every day and not even
Speaker:realizing it. Yeah. So, like, from. From perspective of, say,
Speaker:like, some research article. Let's take that. Right. We take this research article,
Speaker:we look at it. What's the goal of a research article? What are they trying
Speaker:to do? They're trying to show that this causes this. And you can start out
Speaker:with an associational study to just see if something's associated. But that doesn't really tell
Speaker:you much. You have to figure out why it's associated. And then the standard, like
Speaker:the higher standard is randomized controlled trials. And then higher than
Speaker:that is the systematic reviews of all the randomized controlled trials. But the controlled
Speaker:trial is the highest thing because, like, you take this intervention versus the people
Speaker:who don't do the intervention, and you see if it causes something. And so it's
Speaker:like, okay, that's great. You. You tried to isolate all the variables
Speaker:and see if this one thing that they did versus the people who didn't do
Speaker:it caused a certain thing. It's like, that's great. However, last
Speaker:time I checked, I'm not exposed to one thing at a time. Nobody
Speaker:is. And at the end of the day, the way that we're doing research, even
Speaker:the standard of care randomized controlled trial is fundamentally flawed. Yeah. Because it
Speaker:can never tell us anything. It can tell us what this study
Speaker:showed, but that's about it. That doesn't apply to any of us because
Speaker:we are all in different environments. We've all had different experiences, different
Speaker:traumas, different whatever. And so you can't really say that. You
Speaker:can't apply that to everybody. And we're all exposed to multiple things
Speaker:at multiple times, all the time. And even then, you could say that in that
Speaker:randomized controlled trial, it's completely. The results are completely void
Speaker:because everybody in that trial had different environments, you know, did different
Speaker:things. You didn't control for light, you didn't control for emf. You didn't control for
Speaker:childhood, you didn't control for car accidents, you can't, like. It'S
Speaker:literally impossible to control for all that stuff. So, so that's what I mean
Speaker:by putting this faith in this thing that literally can't give us what we think
Speaker:that it's going to give us. And we have to put our faith
Speaker:somewhere else. So from that perspective, without that
Speaker:philosophy, for me, of, of nature and again,
Speaker:people who call it God, they call it prana, they can call it universe, they
Speaker:can call it ether, whatever they want to call it, for me, it's
Speaker:nature. Without that context, then you can't
Speaker:interpret what that study said or what it meant, right? Then
Speaker:you just basically focused on the result of that study and you say, see
Speaker:this study lowered LDL with a statin and it
Speaker:created less heart disease. And aside from all the statistical
Speaker:manipulation that probably happened in that study, like you're taking that
Speaker:result as the end all but because this is the standard, this is a man
Speaker:made standard that has been created just like a man made
Speaker:standard of care has been created through medicine. And that
Speaker:is us trying to think we're smarter than nature. So
Speaker:again, I mean you read my book, there's like 750 cited articles of science
Speaker:in there. So it's not like I'm anti science, I just am expressing the
Speaker:limitations of it and being aware of those and realizing that if I don't have
Speaker:this foundation of what nature is, then this doesn't make sense. So
Speaker:here's an example. So if you look at research on
Speaker:electromagnetic fields, right? Wireless signals, radio frequency or electromagnetic
Speaker:fields, and you look at, say you read Andrew Marino and you read
Speaker:Robert Becker, you're like, this is some things, there's some things here that we should
Speaker:probably pay attention to, right? But there's also a lot of other studies that say
Speaker:that it's not an issue, right? They don't get any results. They
Speaker:didn't get any like harmful. You could argue that they designed those studies
Speaker:poorly or that there's other variables and you could make all those arguments.
Speaker:But all that stuff without the context of nature
Speaker:doesn't make sense. And here's why. Because if you look at what nature
Speaker:provides us, nature provides us with
Speaker:a radio frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum of
Speaker:UV through infrared, right from the sun and that's it. Anything outside
Speaker:of that is non native to us. And so for me,
Speaker:if, for historically, revolutionarily, if all we had
Speaker:was these wavelengths between here and here, anything outside of
Speaker:that, that's suspect until proven innocent, right?
Speaker:And whenever we, I mean you read Arthur Fursten's
Speaker:Berg's Book about how they were studying like electricity came and then all the
Speaker:radio frequencies came after that. And the things that they saw, those are just
Speaker:observations, but it's a 200 year observation that every
Speaker:time that something happened we saw these issues. Right. So
Speaker:just to, just to clarify. So that is like
Speaker:electricity came and then there were some major epidemics,
Speaker:illness. Well, yeah, well, first of all, the early scientists who were studying
Speaker:electricity and kind of like inventing this thing got sick. They,
Speaker:they had flu, like viral like illness. Right. And then, yes,
Speaker:every time we had this major jump in some sort of electromagnetic or radio
Speaker:frequency thing, we saw these epidemics, we saw these people
Speaker:get sick. Whether that was after World War I, we all know
Speaker:that. What was it? The Spanish flu? Was that what it was? I forget what
Speaker:it was after all of the radio. Yeah, after the radio towers. Because
Speaker:radio frequency is what came out in World War I. That's why that's
Speaker:how they communicated. And then radar in World War II and like there's all these
Speaker:different things. And he tracks it very well. And again, it's just associations.
Speaker:I'll say it. So you don't have to.5G in the late
Speaker:2000s. Yeah, I mean that's the latest one. Did we
Speaker:have an epidemic of a flu like virus after that? Yeah,
Speaker:exactly. Right. And he traces that really well. And again, it's just
Speaker:associations. But it's a very consistent association every single time for
Speaker:the last 200 years. So it's kind of hard to ignore that whether we know
Speaker:the mechanisms or not. So but anyways, getting back to
Speaker:like. So nature also provides us an electromagnetic field. And that
Speaker:is assuming resonance of the earth or the electromagnetic field coming from other living things.
Speaker:Those are compatible electromagnetic fields. Anything outside of that
Speaker:is non compatible. Which means the electromagnetic field is created by this
Speaker:artificial thing we've created, which is electricity. Right. When we do
Speaker:that, and we put it at much higher voltage than say what's coming from
Speaker:the earth when we touch our feet to the earth, that creates this field that's
Speaker:non compatible with us. And so again, that's guilty and
Speaker:proven innocent until proven innocent in my mind. Because it's not something that we have
Speaker:been exposed to for historically for forever really.
Speaker:And so that's just one example. So if you look at this
Speaker:research and you say, see this research shows that it doesn't cause harm, or see,
Speaker:this research says that it does, you're tied to those things and you don't know
Speaker:what to make of those things because there's conflicting results. There
Speaker:Whereas if you have this foundation that is nature, you realize,
Speaker:oh, that that stuff's not natural to us.
Speaker:Right. And so therefore, it's for
Speaker:me, just as my personal decision, I'm more likely to say, yes, it's
Speaker:probably the study that shows that there's harm. And then there's all the other issues
Speaker:with research too, as far as who's funding it, what type, where the scientists
Speaker:paid off, like, all the stuff, did they mess with the statistics and make it
Speaker:show a certain thing, which we can talk about all like that, with statins and
Speaker:everything. But to give examples, there's this again, I'd say, like,
Speaker:almost false idol in modern medicine and modern
Speaker:science, and it's taking us away, which is a very, I'd say, I
Speaker:don't know, like, spiritual or religious kind of foundation. Like, you
Speaker:surrender yourself up to a higher power, and that's how you find
Speaker:enlightenment and those types of things. So it's kind of led me to that. And
Speaker:that's just, you know, one example. We could talk about light as well. The only
Speaker:light that we get is UV through infrared. So these other unnatural
Speaker:forms of light, it's not surprising that we're finding that they're harmful. And people will
Speaker:say, like, why? You know, because we can adapt, right?
Speaker:And to a certain extent, we can adapt to things. But
Speaker:true adaptation, I mean, I think from an evolutionary perspective, true
Speaker:adaptation comes many, many generations. So in my first
Speaker:book, I talk about this Russian scientist named Dmitri Belyav,
Speaker:who basically started selectively breeding foxes for docile
Speaker:traits. And after about 30 generations, he had pretty much foxes who
Speaker:were dogs. They were like his. He domesticated them after 50
Speaker:generations? No, after 30 generations, basically he started seeing
Speaker:characteristic changes, like the fact that their ears were up like this all the time
Speaker:in nature, always perceiving their environment. They didn't have to anymore,
Speaker:that their ear started to droop, like is what we see in dogs, right? And
Speaker:their coat started to change because they didn't need camouflage as much. And then after
Speaker:50 generations, he actually died, but people continued his work. After 50
Speaker:generations, he pretty much had these foxes that were like dogs. They were completely
Speaker:domesticated. And so that shows us that it takes, you know,
Speaker:30 to 50 generations to get significant changes in adaptation.
Speaker:And that's with very select breeding. So in nature, it doesn't happen that way.
Speaker:It probably takes longer. And for humans who have a much longer
Speaker:reproductive cycle, it probably takes longer to get these true
Speaker:adaptations to a change like that. And so if you think about how long that
Speaker:takes and you think in the last three generations
Speaker:at the most, four generations at the most, the drastic amount of changes we've
Speaker:seen, there's no way our physiology could adapt to that. And
Speaker:so it's not like it's adapting enough to just kill us off immediately,
Speaker:but it's definitely enough to make us ill. And we're seeing the
Speaker:repercussions of that with a chronic disease epidemic. That's what I mean
Speaker:by, like, when we change the environment too much, these things are
Speaker:unnatural to us. Our bodies give us signals. This is not okay.
Speaker:And we're interpreting, like, the historical way to think about it has been,
Speaker:like, from a medical perspective is, oh, our genes are causing
Speaker:disease. Right. And that's not the case at all. Our genes
Speaker:respond to the environment. If even that's the way it works. I don't even know
Speaker:from a quantum perspective. I'm not even sure if that's the way it works. But,
Speaker:yeah, it's all about the environmental signals and how our body perceives them and then
Speaker:chooses to respond to them to keep us alive and adapt.
Speaker:If we're constantly trying to adapt, that's what we call disease. Like,
Speaker:if we're constantly trying to adapt to an apparent signal, that's what we call disease.
Speaker:You give it a better signal. It's adapting to that. It's easier to adapt to
Speaker:that. We have health, we have homeostasis. Our technological
Speaker:evolution so far outpaces our
Speaker:biology's ability to keep up, but also our
Speaker:institution's ability to keep up. You know, going back to
Speaker:your curriculum that focused on diet and exercise, that had
Speaker:its roots at a time where that might have been enough because
Speaker:we didn't have LED light bulbs. We didn't have screens in our faces
Speaker:before we fell asleep at night. We didn't have TVs on in the bedroom all
Speaker:night. We didn't have wifi. We didn't have 5G. We didn't have
Speaker:headlights on cars that could blind you when they come
Speaker:around the corner. Like, none of those things existed and
Speaker:we are proceeding, or the institutional
Speaker:education system is proceeding as though none of those things
Speaker:are having a biological impact. Meanwhile,
Speaker:the research to show that it is, like,
Speaker:piling up. People always assume that, like, oh, you're kind of out on
Speaker:the fringe talking about these things, because the research must be out on the fringe.
Speaker:No, it's all there. It's just we're not equipped. We
Speaker:have no mechanisms or structures that are
Speaker:equipped to update themselves quickly enough. Yeah. To
Speaker:connect that research to the
Speaker:people giving health advice to the people receiving health advice
Speaker:down to like the mainstream understanding of, you know,
Speaker:maybe turn those LEDs off, you know, in the middle,
Speaker:when it's the middle of the night. Like that should just be common knowledge. And
Speaker:it's not because of all these layers that are
Speaker:unable to keep up with the absolute insane pace
Speaker:of technology change. Yeah, and not just technology,
Speaker:but all kinds of stuff that we've seen over the last, I'd say 150 to
Speaker:200 years. Major changes. But yes, even the last 50 has been crazy
Speaker:as far as technology. But yeah, and there was that study, I can't remember, I
Speaker:think it was 2011 when it came out, that was just.
Speaker:Basically, it found that the average amount of time for
Speaker:something to get published in the literature to be something that your doctor may tell
Speaker:you in the doctor's office was 17 years. And that was the average. So
Speaker:yeah, like all this literature is there and I, I talk about
Speaker:that all the time when I talk about cardiovascular disease. It's like the
Speaker:amount of things that I found in the literature that I have never met a
Speaker:cardiologist she's aware of astounds me, you know, because
Speaker:I've. Like the work of Giorgio Baraldi itself just throws
Speaker:cardiology on its head. But it was completely ignored. I've never met even more in
Speaker:the. No cardiologist I've never met anybody who's aware of him in the field of
Speaker:cardiology. Doesn't mean there's not somebody, because I don't know all of them. It's crazy
Speaker:to me that his work is not recognized. But of course it's not,
Speaker:because if his work was recognized, they would never do electrostens and
Speaker:bypasses, but they do. So yeah, it's just there's so
Speaker:much incongruency between what medicine's actually doing and what
Speaker:the research is showing for because of A, the philosophy of medicine and
Speaker:B, how fast things are changing. There's just like, it's,
Speaker:it's crazy. Like a medical school would have to, you know, revamp its whole curriculum
Speaker:to teach what's actually causing modern disease, even if that was their
Speaker:purpose, like to try and actually prevent disease rather than just treat it and profit
Speaker:off of the treatment of it. But yeah, it's just, it's too much.
Speaker:But it's a good segue based on what you said was that like
Speaker:even the modern day practitioner now is up against so many different things
Speaker:that even 20, 50 years ago they wouldn't have had to address or be
Speaker:aware of. Right. Because there's so Many new things. And like
Speaker:if you look at some of the early things that, like the early
Speaker:chiropractors like DD Palmer and the people that worked with him were doing and
Speaker:the results that they say they were getting, if you looked at that now and
Speaker:saw A, what they were doing and B, the results they were getting, you'd be
Speaker:like, this is crazy. There's no way they could do that. But it's
Speaker:because of what they were doing. But also in 1895, there wasn't
Speaker:near as many of the problems and changes that we've had today. So
Speaker:it's interesting about, you know, how
Speaker:that was possible then, even if it seems impossible today.
Speaker:It was very possible then. Right. You could, with an adjustment,
Speaker:probably change somebody's life because that was, that was probably
Speaker:the main thing going on. They didn't have all of these other assaults on their
Speaker:body. Sure, yeah. So what was, so what was the early
Speaker:chiropractic like? What did they do? So I have a good friend, his
Speaker:chiropractor, who introduced me to a lot of this stuff. So especially
Speaker:in my program that was very much like I told you, very
Speaker:medicine based look at the research. What has chiropractic shown to be helpful with. And
Speaker:we teach that, whereas the philosophical schools, I didn't get much of
Speaker:that. And so they got more of this background of the philosophy of chiropractic and
Speaker:what D. Palmer did. But first of all, DD Palmer didn't invent an
Speaker:adjustment. People have been manipulating people for however
Speaker:many years, ancient civilizations were doing that. He just kind of formalized
Speaker:it into what's chiropractic or not even he did, his son did. BJ
Speaker:Palmer is the one who really formalized it into a career of chiropractic or a
Speaker:profession anyways. Yeah. So if you
Speaker:look at like some of the early quotes of the Palmers, they'll say things
Speaker:like, all you really need is a space and a
Speaker:patient. And the magnetic manipulator is what he called himself.
Speaker:And he wasn't using magnet. He didn't, he wasn't like putting magnets
Speaker:about. Some people do that today. They use magnets. He wasn't doing that. He's using
Speaker:his hands. And he called himself a magnetic manipulator.
Speaker:And so I think that he had this concept of what
Speaker:chiropractic was that I don't even think
Speaker:maybe he didn't or early, early disciples didn't, or
Speaker:students. But I don't even think that the philosophical schools have a
Speaker:concept, a true concept of what was going on. And what he was doing.
Speaker:Because when I think about it and when I learned about it from a quantum
Speaker:perspective or quantum aspects of what the body does, it
Speaker:makes more sense to me on what he was doing and the results that he
Speaker:was seeing. And what chiropractors can still see today, it's much less common, but can
Speaker:see today. If you ask chiropractors, I will lecture to groups of chiropractors and ask
Speaker:them these things. Like, we all see people that come in and they're in a
Speaker:lot of pain, or they're, they have all these health issues, or they're just like
Speaker:a disgruntled person. They don't even want to be there. And like, their
Speaker:wife made them come or something like that. And then we start treating them
Speaker:and whether their pain goes away or not, they just seem more likable, they seem
Speaker:more amiable about life. And we're just kind of like,
Speaker:okay, that's great. And we assume, oh, they must be feeling better, that's why they're
Speaker:happier or whatever. But when I thought about things differently and I thought about what
Speaker:de Palmer was saying, originally, it is magnetic manipulation.
Speaker:And then I learned things from a quantum perspective. I put a lot together.
Speaker:And so what I think was happening in those early days is that when you
Speaker:adjust the spine, which is the main treatment that most chiropractors
Speaker:do, you do a hvla, a spinal manipulation of joints or
Speaker:whatever, you're creating sound. Obviously we hear sound, but you're
Speaker:also creating electromagnetic field. You're having a piezoelectric effect that
Speaker:creates electrons, you know, a streaming potential of electrons that go somewhere.
Speaker:You're creating light. You're actually emitting. There's studies that show that when you adjust
Speaker:the spine, more biophoton emission happens in that area.
Speaker:And so you're doing all these quantum, like things to it. And then
Speaker:if you understand that the fascia is a communication system for all
Speaker:this stuff, and you adjust the spine and the
Speaker:communication system picks up on all that, and it's instantly relayed to the entire body.
Speaker:And you recognize that the better the fascia
Speaker:communicates, the more coherent the body is. It's one thing,
Speaker:one contributor to coherence of the body, which is how synced up
Speaker:and on the same page, all the systems of the body are all the
Speaker:cells, all the tissues, everything is. And when you do that, you're creating the
Speaker:signals that are creating coherence, right? You're, you're improving. You're also breaking
Speaker:up scar tissue where. Cause scar tissue is a place where the
Speaker:signals through the fascia can't flow very well. So if there's any around
Speaker:the spinal cord, you're breaking that up in the spinal cord and the spinal column.
Speaker:And so when all that stuff's happening, you start to understand that what you're really
Speaker:doing is you're creating coherence in a system. And
Speaker:so back in the day, it could be that you get a
Speaker:couple adjustments and you've created coherence. Now there's all
Speaker:these things that we're exposed to today and it's
Speaker:taking a lot more or we're not seeing the same result. Right. Well,
Speaker:there's things like you adjust somebody, they go back right into the environment that was
Speaker:making them sick and creating incoherence. And it's like it's not going to matter.
Speaker:Whereas back in 1895, they were barely having
Speaker:electricity. Right. So it wasn't even like this situation
Speaker:where you're surrounded by emf. And now we are. So there's all this stuff.
Speaker:And so, yeah, so then when you realize that the heart
Speaker:is what's measuring, it's sending out the electromagnetic field and it's measuring
Speaker:the coherence of the body internally and externally, what's happening on
Speaker:externally, and you start to increase the coherence internally
Speaker:by chiropractic or any other body work therapy. I'm not saying chiropractic is the
Speaker:only one. There's lots of different bodywork therapies that will increase this. And you start
Speaker:to see the effects of chiropractic or any body work therapy on heart rate
Speaker:variability. Which heart rate variability? People think it's measuring balance in the nervous
Speaker:system, when in reality it's measuring coherence and
Speaker:it picks up on coherence and sends that message to the brain, sends that message
Speaker:back down through the body as nervous system balance. And so,
Speaker:yeah, it looks like because chiropractors are all like, oh, yeah, adjust the spine, you
Speaker:create nervous system balance. We're balancing sympathetic and parasympathetic. But that's only
Speaker:through creating coherence. And so that's what's actually happening in
Speaker:chiropractic. That's why we see the results. And you can relate heart rate variability to
Speaker:pretty much any chronic disease. If heart rate variability gets better, there's less rates of
Speaker:cancer, there's, there's better cardiovascular outcomes, there's better
Speaker:neurodegeneration outcomes, there's metabolic outcomes. It's all of
Speaker:it. Right. Because we're creating coherence. And that's the thing that
Speaker:chiropractic is actually doing. Because, you know,
Speaker:traditional chiropractic philosophy will say, oh, you adjust the spine, you relieve pressure
Speaker:on a nerve. The brain is. The brain is able to send a signal down
Speaker:to the body better. And that may be happening too, right.
Speaker:But in reality, what's really happening is the other way around, is you're creating coherence
Speaker:and the heart's picking up on that. The heart's sending that information to the brain.
Speaker:The brain is sending the signal back down of more coherence, more balance in
Speaker:the nervous system. So that's what's really going on. And I think that's what they
Speaker:were seeing in early chiropractic, whether or not they knew that or not. But
Speaker:now, you know, chiropractic has this very
Speaker:interesting history of being like, chiropractors went to jail because they were
Speaker:accused of practicing medicine without a license when they were just practicing
Speaker:chiropractic. The American Medical association, literally,
Speaker:there were statements out from them that medical doctors should accuse chiropractors of
Speaker:practicing medicine so that they would get arrested. It's crazy. And then
Speaker:I can't remember what year it was. I think it was the 60s. I can't
Speaker:remember. But eventually it went to a court, and the court, I think it
Speaker:was a superior court somewhere, like, literally told the American Medical association to
Speaker:cease and desist, that what they were doing was unconstitutional. You cannot do this.
Speaker:And then finally it stopped at that point. And I think that
Speaker:over time, depending on which school or which person you're talking
Speaker:to, to stay relevant, chiropractic had to become more medical,
Speaker:to a sense, which is. I mean, that's kind of the name of the game
Speaker:is you have to create this standardized education. It has to be evidence based. You
Speaker:have to do all this stuff. Even though we talked about the evidence and how,
Speaker:I think that's false idol. That's the standard by which you have to be
Speaker:relevant or create relevance to survive as a profession. And
Speaker:so now we get today these chiropractors that are thinking very
Speaker:neuromusculoskeletally rather than very quantumly, which is
Speaker:where I think it started, whether they understood that or not. And that's why
Speaker:they were seeing the results they were seeing, especially in 1895, without
Speaker:all the other stuff around them. So, yeah, I hope I described
Speaker:that well. But, yeah, that's my perspective on what chiropractic was
Speaker:and is now. It's so fascinating. And I think,
Speaker:like, for me, the thing that is hard to get my head around,
Speaker:and I know this for a Lot of people, too, is the idea that all
Speaker:of the structures that we believed
Speaker:had our best intentions at heart and all of the
Speaker:structures that we put our faith in to keep us healthy
Speaker:or help us get back to being healthy if we get sick
Speaker:are flawed. I'll say flawed. And I
Speaker:think over time, even dis. Totally disincentivized for
Speaker:us to be healthy. Which leaves us in this space
Speaker:of, you know, you have now
Speaker:started your own independent practice where you can
Speaker:treat patients with all of the knowledge that you've collected
Speaker:as a curious researcher. And it also, I think,
Speaker:is tough for people to swallow because it does put a lot
Speaker:of personal responsibility. Right. If my environment
Speaker:matters that much, I have to think about it. I have
Speaker:to make the changes. And I'm going against the tidal wave of
Speaker:culture, which is hard to do. Right. Like,
Speaker:I use the example of having a home birth. I lived
Speaker:in Ontario, Canada. There was like, a midwife
Speaker:was covered by insurance. I learned with my first
Speaker:child that you had to get on the list, like, the moment you conceived or
Speaker:the midwives were booked out. So by the second one, I figured it out. I
Speaker:was in a culture that supported that. With my third child, I
Speaker:wasn't. And it's. I was living overseas and it was,
Speaker:you know, I realized, like, I actually don't have the energy to go
Speaker:counter to what everyone wants me to do in this situation. So I went
Speaker:back to the hospital and I just use that as an example,
Speaker:because what I'm hearing from you is that, like,
Speaker:we do have to take this responsibility for environment, and it's
Speaker:not straightforward, and it's not what everyone else is doing. And
Speaker:so to have a practitioner or a coach or somebody at least, who is
Speaker:supporting you in those choices becomes so important and is helping
Speaker:you to be that detective. Yeah, I mean, I. An analogy I use
Speaker:with people, because I'll get on with a potential client and I'll be like, how
Speaker:do I know this is going to work? Can you guarantee me results? And I
Speaker:say, okay, so whether or not you went to college, when you go
Speaker:to college, does that guarantee you in education, they're like,
Speaker:well, yeah, if you pay for it and you go through anything. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker:but did you learn anything going through that? What determines if you learn something and
Speaker:how much you get out of this? So you can pay the same amount as
Speaker:everybody else, but your education will be very different. Whether or not it
Speaker:works and gets you where you want to go is very, very different based on
Speaker:how much you put into it. Right. So it's really on you. Even if you're
Speaker:all paying the same tuition, paying the same amount, you get out of it what
Speaker:you put into it. And that means you really have to invest. You can't just
Speaker:pay and expect someone to give you the answer or fix you.
Speaker:And that's a very hard thing to face. And it's. I've especially
Speaker:become aware of how hard that is for certain people with trauma,
Speaker:because you have to face some very, very hard things, and that's not easy. And
Speaker:I. My heart goes out to them, and I empathize with them. I can also
Speaker:be there to encourage them. Then it's worth it. So it's not just environment as
Speaker:far as having to change things. And, and you may
Speaker:lose some friends if you decide that this isn't going to be my hard line.
Speaker:I'm going to change this, and I'm not going to do that. This friend may
Speaker:be like, oh, I don't want to hang out with you anymore. Okay. You have
Speaker:to kind of be okay with that. Right. But it's also making you look at
Speaker:internal things, things that may be in the way of you getting to the place
Speaker:where you want to be, which is difficult. And those are things that
Speaker:I've had to learn over time. And working with people, that. That's. That's something that's
Speaker:probably one of the most important things to deal with. So you're right. It's not
Speaker:easy, and it's not easy sometimes. It depends because.
Speaker:Because half of that's really empowering. It's like, oh, man, now I can make the
Speaker:changes. I'm in control. I don't have to rely on the next blood test or
Speaker:this medication or what this doctor says, or I can take my control. It's very
Speaker:empowering. But it's also like, man, now I've got this. This climb
Speaker:to face. Right. I got this. All these things I got to change about
Speaker:my environment. I got to deal with things internally, all this stuff. And. And
Speaker:there's so many resources out there for people to use and utilize
Speaker:and help them. So it all depends on how you see it,
Speaker:right? Do you see it as, man, I'm back in control, or do you see
Speaker:it as, ugh, this is way too much, I can't do it. Yes.
Speaker:And I love that you said that, because ultimately
Speaker:it's a gift. If it was just in the hands of somebody
Speaker:at the top of the food chain in a higher. In the hospital
Speaker:structure like that, it's locked away. Like, I don't have
Speaker:that person in my living room, I don't have that person in the, you
Speaker:know, when I wake up in the morning. But if it's me,
Speaker:like, the world becomes just infinite
Speaker:possibility. And I've embraced that.
Speaker:Going through some deep challenges 20 years ago. And I was
Speaker:like, no, you know what? I'm just gonna take 100% responsibility for
Speaker:everything. And people are like, oh, don't be so hard on yourself. I'm like, I'm
Speaker:not. I'm choosing the freedom. I'm choosing the freedom path. Because
Speaker:if I could take responsibility, then I get to make the
Speaker:changes and make the choices. Yeah. And, you know, if they
Speaker:don't work out, I just make. I'd make a choice again not to get mad
Speaker:at myself and blame myself. But that's a choice too. Yeah. And it's about, I
Speaker:mean, it's the same thing. It's like, how long do you stay stuck in a
Speaker:situation because you're waiting on someone else or you're waiting on some information
Speaker:or something like that, when a long time ago you could have decided, I'm going
Speaker:to do this because I'm in control and get whatever you need from
Speaker:that, having that mentality. And then there you go, you're. It doesn't mean it's going
Speaker:to be all like sky high from there. It'll be ups and downs. But if
Speaker:you're the one in control making the decisions and you have the information that
Speaker:allows you to make the decisions, that's the most important aspect of it. And that's.
Speaker:So there's something that's completely missing from medicine and from a
Speaker:formal education is it's more like
Speaker:the mentality, I feel like, especially of medical education is this is
Speaker:the standard of care, do this to people. Right,
Speaker:right. Rather than this is what we think, we understand,
Speaker:this is the best way we think about it, educate people on this and allow
Speaker:them to make their own decisions. That's a much different way of
Speaker:doing anything medical or anything health related. And so
Speaker:that's. I didn't know that's what was going to happen for me. But, you know,
Speaker:I thought that I was going to come into this, starting my own business and
Speaker:coaching people and teach people about heart disease and help them with their heart disease.
Speaker:But then I realized what I was doing was I wasn't empowering them, I was
Speaker:educating them so they can make their own decisions and that's what gives them the
Speaker:peace of mind. So that mentality, that whole
Speaker:philosophy is incredibly missing from any formal, I think,
Speaker:education. And it's this beautiful paradox of I'm
Speaker:in control and I'm surrendered. I don't know
Speaker:how those two things are true at the same time, but they are. Well, if
Speaker:you're in control, it's your choice to surrender. There you go. Oh,
Speaker:Stephen, this has been so delightful. I can keep doing it. And I'm so
Speaker:excited that you are faculty at the Institute of Applied Quantum
Speaker:Biology where we are doing our best to put some
Speaker:curriculum around all of these concepts and
Speaker:provide that educational structure so that
Speaker:the, this missing piece can be slotted into whatever it is
Speaker:that, that, you know, whatever field of expertise a person comes to
Speaker:the table with. This is like a lens to go over top,
Speaker:not a replacement, just a widening and expand, expand an expansion
Speaker:of the view of health that can be taken. And we
Speaker:talked a lot about research today and you know,
Speaker:as I mentioned to you, that's the next phase is
Speaker:we're going to be rolling out programs
Speaker:so that the practitioners can be pulling research
Speaker:from the field, from those real life individual and bio
Speaker:individual interactions so that we aren't completely
Speaker:reliant on lab data and randomized control
Speaker:studies that control for all of the things that actually happen in people's
Speaker:lives. Yeah, there's a really interesting, there's a really interesting
Speaker:article out there that is published that I've cited in a few of my books.
Speaker:Maybe you're aware of it, but it's basically, it argues against evidence based medicine
Speaker:and argues for medicine based evidence. So basically
Speaker:perfect. That's exactly it. Yes. Yeah. Because it's
Speaker:basically, it would be more useful if we had this huge database of
Speaker:people came with this condition or this symptom. Right. And this is what we tried,
Speaker:this is what happened. Right. If we have a huge catalog of that,
Speaker:rather than let's try and prove this is a good treatment for something and we
Speaker:can't do it until we prove that it is. And that's evidence based medicine. Let's
Speaker:try and make this one sequence of events, this one sequence of
Speaker:cause and effect, the standard of care for everyone. When we live
Speaker:in a quantum universe that has infinite variables at
Speaker:any given moment. Yeah, it's just like my reversal of the plaque in my
Speaker:leg and how I was able to do that. I just finished writing up the
Speaker:case, that report for that. We're trying to get that published. But that case was
Speaker:sport. Like if you had 50 case reports, like that's data.
Speaker:Right. Even though they're case reports and they're the lowest form of research, like
Speaker:that's more significant than these clinical Trials where
Speaker:they try and control for everything, like what worked for this person in this
Speaker:instance based on their situation and everything. And if we had a bunch of those
Speaker:things deciding what you want to do for your someone, if they came in with
Speaker:peripheral disease like I had, then this is ideas of
Speaker:what you could do. And it worked really well for this instance. That's much more
Speaker:useful as a practitioner rather than trying to sort through all the clinical
Speaker:trial stuff that they try and control for and prove that this one thing
Speaker:causes this. It's. It'll be much more useful. Yeah, please do. We will
Speaker:add it to the database and I'm excited to have you. We're doing a practice
Speaker:based research accelerator for people to come in and learn. It's going to be a
Speaker:good time because Nico Kennedy was saying that she was reading research and
Speaker:you know, the, the practitioners would implement the
Speaker:standard of care based on the research and it wouldn't work. And then they'd go
Speaker:back and the research would be like, oh no. Well, we controlled for this and
Speaker:this and this. And they're like, well, my patients have all of those
Speaker:variables in their lives. They're like, oh well, yeah,
Speaker:yeah, like. Again, like trying to isolate one thing
Speaker:and from all the different variables. It doesn't make sense because humans are not
Speaker:exposed to one variable at a time. Sure are not.
Speaker:All right. If any of them. You'd like to be exposed to any of our
Speaker:variables. Steven, where can people find you to book a
Speaker:session? Particularly if you have, if you are a man
Speaker:or you have a man in your life. It's really worth a consult just
Speaker:to check in on your, on your heart. Because I
Speaker:promise whatever you are told is not the full story.
Speaker:I mean my website is resourceyourhealth.com pretty much everything is
Speaker:on there. I'm also on social media posting.
Speaker:When things pop in my head, I get ideas. I post stuff on there. Informational
Speaker:stuff. Just Dr. Stephen Hussey. Dr. Stephen Hussey. People can
Speaker:find me there. Amazing. So resource your health.com or
Speaker:Dr. Steven Hussey on Instagram and all of the big
Speaker:platforms and you can come and learn. If you're a practitioner, you want to take
Speaker:the certification. Dr. Hussey is there
Speaker:for Q and A's and we would love to
Speaker:see you all. Thank you, Stephen. This was so fun.
Speaker:I look forward to interview number five. Yeah, I'm sure it'll happen sooner
Speaker:rather than later. I think so. There's so much to talk about.
Speaker:All right, everyone, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker:Appreciate it all. Thank you Stephen.
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