About This Episode

This episode marks the return of Mythic after a year and a half — and what a place to come back from. I recorded this conversation live at Pachalegria, a retreat and healing center in Zipolite, Mexico, at the close of my first men's tantra retreat. The man who led it — and built the place — is sitting right next to me.

Martin Bilodeau is a Québécois public figure, social psychologist, and bestselling author of Awaken Your Inner Buddha, A Practical Guide to Modern Tantrism and Chronicles of an Urban Buddhist (all currently available in French). His path runs through indigenous shamanism, Tibetan Buddhism, and Tantrism, with lineages from Osho, Yogi Bhajan, and Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche. He spent half his life in India, Asia, and traveling the world before founding Pachalegria in 2020.

This is Martin's first English-language podcast.

What We Cover

We use Martin's framework of four spiritual emergencies as Ariadne's thread into the labyrinth — not naming all four explicitly, but tracing the arc of a life spent following the thread of awakening from Buddhism into shamanism, Tantra, and finally into the act of building a living vision on a hillside in southern Mexico.

Along the way we explore:

Buddhism and the Inner World. Martin discovered Buddhism at 17 through the books of Alexandra David-Néal, the first Western woman to walk into Tibet. He consecrated his twenties to practice — two hours of meditation a day, temple visits in India and Nepal, annual retreats. But the real challenge wasn't the monastery. It was bringing the Dharma into daily modern life.

Bodhicitta and the Belief That Changes Everything. The teaching that cracked Martin open: compassion as a way of seeing the world, not a feeling you wait to receive. The ego sees the world as something to take from. Compassion asks what you can bring. That single reorientation — from appetite to offering — underpins everything Martin does.

Why "Emergency"? Martin spent nearly 15 years managing services for homeless, addicted, and delinquent youth in Québec. What he saw confirmed it: every wound is a wound of unlove. Every act of harm is a cry for it. If all our damage is created by the absence of love, love is the only thing that will heal it. That's not romantic. It's urgent.

Tantra and the Body. We've never been more disconnected from our bodies than we are now. The body is always in the present moment — it's the mind that escapes. Tantra is the path that reconnects them: through breath, sensation, movement, and the radical act of feeling rather than managing life.

The Minotaur in the Labyrinth. One of the most vivid mythic images in our conversation: the Minotaur as kundalini, as primal life force — not a monster to be slain but an energy that got trapped by the engineered maze of the mind. Daedalus built the labyrinth with his head. The Minotaur didn't need to be killed. It needed to be freed. And what frees it? Ariadne's love.

Shame as a Control Mechanism. We were once invocators — beings who danced, screamed, and loved their way back to the divine. Then came 2,000 years of ideology that installed shame between us and our own bodies, our own power, our own direct experience of the sacred. Capitalism inherited that structure and kept it running. The antidote isn't permission. It's sovereignty.

The King and Queen Were Never Meant to Rule Alone. Every true mythology pairs masculine and feminine — active and receptive, power and love, strength and empathy. A ruler disconnected from the soul force — the virgin princess in the tower, the yin inside — becomes narcissistic and abusive. Power without love is abuse. Love without power is passivity. They were always meant to be together.

Shiva-Shakti and Cocreation. The feminine-masculine dynamic isn't about gender — it's about listening before acting, being receptive to what the world is telling you before you move. Martin guides groups this way: 70% listening intuitively before he leads. The Shiva-Shakti principle is the composition of wisdom.

Zipolite and the Living Dream. And then there's the place itself — the last bohemian village, a hillside above the Pacific where people have been living freely since the early 1970s. No rules, no structure, naked on the beach at night, no violence. LGBT community, hippies, artists, locals, expats, tourists — all coexisting. The New York Times writes about it every year. And into this, Martin has built a utopia. Not finished. Expanding. Buying land, building with stones so the iguanas keep their nests, preserving what's real before the commercial wave arrives.

We close with Joseph Campbell's line — dreams are private myths, myths are collective dreams — and the question it raises: what is the shared dream we're missing right now? What would it look like to stop begging for meaning from the outside and start imposing a little vision on reality?

This is that conversation.

Chapter Timestamps

0:00 Welcome Back to Mythic — Recording Live from Zipolite, Mexico

01:00 Introducing Martin Bilodeau: Author, Social Psychologist, Tantric Guide

02:00 Pachalegria: "I Created Boston" — On Being Recreated by a Place

02:30 The Four Spiritual Emergencies as Ariadne's Thread

03:00 First Emergency: Buddhism — Alexandra David-Néal and the Call of Tibet

04:00 Consecrating to the Path: Two Hours of Meditation, Temple Visits, Annual Retreats

05:00 Bringing the Dharma into Daily Life — The Real Challenge

06:00 Bodhicitta: The Belief That Changes Everything

07:00 Ego as Attachment and Aversion — vs. Compassion as a Way of Seeing

08:00 "The Best Way to Feel Love Is to Love"

09:00 Why It's an Emergency: 15 Years with Homeless and Addicted Youth

10:00 Putting Love Back at the Center — The Heart vs. the Mind

11:00 The Mind as Dissector; Love as Radical Return to Essence

13:00 Om Mani Padme Hum: Compassion as the Ultimate Protection

14:00 Tantra and the Body: The Body as Portal to the Present Moment

16:00 We Were Never This Disconnected From Our Bodies

17:00 Mexico as Sensual Reconnection — Sweat, Stone Walls, Fish from the Ocean

19:00 The Tantra Workshop at Pachalegria: Movement, Community, Breath

20:00 The Minotaur in the Labyrinth — Kundalini as Primal Life Force

21:00 Ariadne's Love: What Guides Us Back to Our Own Power

22:00 Freeing the Minotaur: The Primal Force Needs to Devour the Ego, Not the Self

24:00 The Real Fear Is Not Powerlessness — It's Power

25:00 Leaving the US: The Machinery of Fear and Division, Seen from the Outside

26:00 Shame as a Tool of Control: From Invocators to Beggars for Salvation

28:00 Capitalism Inherits the Shame Structure of Religion

29:00 "Where Is the Adult?" — Outsourcing Dignity and the Crisis of Sovereignty

30:00 The Father Archetype and the Dearth of Authentic Leadership

31:00 The King and Queen Were Never Meant to Rule Alone — Mythology as Template

32:00 The Knight and the Princess: The Soul as the Virgin in the Tower

33:00 Power Without Love Is Abusive. Love Without Power Is Passive.

34:00 The Mind Separate from the Ego — Tantra, Breath, and Reconnection

35:00 Shiva-Shakti: Cocreation and the Art of Listening Before Acting

36:00 Martin's Vision: Building a Utopia at Pachalegria

37:00 Zipolite: The Last Bohemian Village

38:00 Coexistence, Impermanence, and Preserving Authenticity

39:00 Is There Anything We Haven't Covered? — We Need to Be Dreamers

40:00 "Dreams Are Private Myths, Myths Are Collective Dreams" — Campbell

40:30 Our True Mythology Is Caring, Loving, and Sharing — That's It

41:00 Pachalegria as a Living Dream — and Our Responsibility to Keep Dreaming

Resources & Links

• Pachalegria — Retreat & healing center, Zipolite, Mexico: pachalegria.com
• Martin Bilodeau — Awaken Your Inner Buddha: A Practical Guide to Modern Tantrism (French)
• Martin Bilodeau — Chronicles of an Urban Buddhist (French)
• Alexandra David-Néal — Explorer and writer; first Western woman to enter Lhasa, Tibet
• Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche — Tibetan Buddhist teacher; founder of Shambhala
• Yogi Bhajan — Kundalini yoga lineage
• Osho — Mystic and teacher
• Joseph Campbell — The Hero with a Thousand Faces
• The Minotaur myth — Daedalus, Theseus, Ariadne, and the labyrinth
• Bodhicitta — The Buddhist teaching of awakening mind; compassion as the path
• Om Mani Padme Hum — The mantra of compassion in Tibetan Buddhism
• Shiva-Shakti — The divine masculine-feminine principle in Tantrism

About Martin Bilodeau

Martin Bilodeau is a Québécois author, speaker, and spiritual guide whose work bridges social psychology, Tibetan Buddhism, indigenous shamanism, and modern Tantrism. He spent nearly half his life in India, Asia, and traveling the world, and worked for nearly 15 years as an organizer for services supporting homeless, addicted, and delinquent youth. He is the bestselling author of Awaken Your Inner Buddha and Chronicles of an Urban Buddhist (both in French), and the founder of Pachalegria, a retreat and healing center in Zipolite, Mexico. He is also the subject of an upcoming French-language documentary series filmed in Japan and Mexico.

About Mythic

Mythic explores meaningful living through the power of myth — spanning ancient lore, modern pop culture, and depth psychology. Hosted by Boston Blake, certified professional co-active coach.

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Welcome to Mythic.

This is the first episode in a year and a half, and this is a

perfect opportunity to do it.

this is where we explore meaningful living through the power of myth, ancient lore,

modern pop culture, and depth psychology.

And today-- tantra.

I'm your host, Boston Blake.

And I'm recording this.

Oh my God.

I'm recording this from Pachalegria, a retreat and Healing

Center in Zipolite, Mexico.

I've been here for about two weeks doing something I had never done before.

a men's tantra retreat.

And the man who led it is sitting right next to me.

Hello,

Martin Bilodeau is quebecois, a public figure in

Canada, and the bestselling author of Awaken Your Inner Buddha, A

Practical Guide to Modern Tantrism.

And Chronicles of an Urban Buddhist, and they're currently

only available in French.

Martin is French Canadian, so if we run into linguistic bumps, that'll be

part of the fun and part of the ride.

Martin's path runs through, let's see, indigenous shamanism, Buddhism, Tibetan

tantra and lineages from Osho, Yogi Bajan, and, uh, Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche.

Yep.

Did I get that right?

Full exploration.

All of it.

All of this weaving together.

Half of my life in India, Asia and Canada, and around the world.

And that's the spiritual tradition.

But you're also an academic, you're trained as a social psychologist.

Yeah.

So that brings a whole other flavor.

and Martin told me that this is his first English language podcast.

Yeah.

So let's bring what you to.

It's gonna be fun.

It's gonna be fun.

and this place that we, where we are now, Pachalegria, you founded this in 2020.

Yep.

Oh

my God.

It is a dream.

I'm literally living inside of Martin's creation.

I came for a week and I decided

isn't my vision actually, I created Boston.

you've created me inside your space

here.

I do feel like I've been recreated since I've been here.

Ah, you're so right.

Thank you so much.

And I wanna talk about that today, what that recreation

means, what creation means.

I think I wanna approach this with your mission.

So you talked about four spiritual emergencies.

Yep.

What are those emergencies?

And we'll use this as Ariadne's thread as we go into the labyrinth of myth.

How does that sound?

Yeah, it's good.

Great.

I think that I start with Buddhism because it's the path

that, interests me and awakened me at spirituality, like the true meaning

of spirituality, like working on our true self, on our inner world, beliefs,

thoughts and everything that is.

untangible inside of us.

I discover Buddhism around 17, 18 years old through a books of Alexandra David

Neal, which maybe have 30, 40 books.

She's the first adventurer woman, in occident that, literally walk

and discover Nepal, Tibet, India.

And she write about Buddhism, the hermits, the Sanskrit, the teachings of all

those countries, like one century ago.

And I discovered Buddhism through my path of, questioning the meaning

of life and questioning myself.

I was really young, but it bring me with a lot of intensity in the spirituality.

And in my twenties, I consecrate myself to, to be a good Buddhist.

A good Buddhist,

yeah.

studying many hours a week, doing the program of study to teach Buddhism,

two hours meditation, one hours during the morning in the night, visiting

the Buddhism temple in Montreal.

Doing annual retreat of Buddhism, visiting the headquarter temple in

India and Nepal from my tradition.

Just doing the path that I taught was the spiritual path

With a lot of passion.

and I discovered all these different, ways to actualize Buddhism in our

daily life, which is also a challenge.

Was maybe more even 25, 30 years ago, because there was scholarship

Buddhism, monastery lifestyle Buddhism, but it was not like Buddhist.

How we live the Buddhist teaching, the Dharma, in the daily life.

In the, this modern life.

It's so easy when you're in the temple.

When I visit temple, when I live in monastery, when I stay there for

weeks or months in silence, studying, praying, meditation, it's easy.

If you remove yourself from the world, then

the world doesn't disturb you.

It's Nirvana.

It's Nirvana.

How lovely.

No, but also you can bring all your shit inside of

you and bring it in the temple.

Which is you need to clean and, Heal.

Liberate yourself from it.

But yeah, I like the intensity of a practice.

I like the intensity of living the path.

And I like this kind of absorption that you can have when you are surrounded

by all the, even sometime if, it's too much esoteric or folkloric,

ritual or ceremony I think that.

Being surrounded by it and living into it.

It's a way to, to see that it's part of a culture, it's part of a civilization even.

It's part of many beliefs that is sometime esoteric, sometime religious.

So you can also absorb the philosophy, the psychology aspect

that you need to integrate.

In what we are right now in, in this era.

Of life.

So if I understood you correctly, you're saying that

cerebral that in intellectual component is important,

but it's important to understand to

first we need to change beliefs.

Okay.

So the way we see the world, it is also our beliefs can change radically

through experience, but also we need to challenge our beliefs.

There's this kind of a. Scrap there that, made the world good and bad, and

judgment and and normative narrative kind of, storytelling that we say

about society and others and, rich and poor and, and injustice in the world.

So all that.

We can reconfigure that differently.

What's an example, like a specific belief that it really serves

to challenge and reimagine or rewire?

For me in the.

And at the time in the Buddhist path, one of the main belief that

changed my life at 20 ish years old was the path of the bodhicitta

like the way that compassion, need to be, can be everything, can be part of

every action, thought everything you do and every choice The way that we see

the world usually is through attachment.

Something that I like.

It's mine.

Something I don't like, I want to push it out.

So it's It's attachment desire.

And, aversion or push it away.

This is one way to configure it.

Our whole life.

We do vision board about that.

We do strategy about our years.

We do intentions about what we want and, what we dislike.

Compassion is to see the world through a heart that wants to see everybody happy.

Life, nature, there's no contradiction.

And it also make the contradiction disappear between what make me happy

and what can make or contribute to the world, community, society to be happy.

How I can be a happy being surrounded by happy beings and how we live

in harmony all together So that the way to see the world is not

what I will take from the world.

It's what I can bring to the world.

Compassion is this opposite line of energy.

So the ego see the world like what I can take.

more.

It's dopamine world here in the ego world, but compassion,

connecting, more to a true essence.

Soul.

But it's the way to see the world.

What am I bringing to the world today?

How I contribute?

what I serve.

That's making me think of, appetite and desire.

And then love and compassion, as you say, like one is getting and

one is giving and compassion.

To use a, a, uh, capitalist term or a economics term.

It's a resource.

Yeah.

But it's something that's self-generated.

It's always available.

It's not something you can get out there.

Oh, someone is giving me compassion.

It is yours to give.

Yeah.

Love is the same thing.

the better way to feel love, actually, is to love.

Say you are sure that you are full of love and filled by love when you love.

You allow yourself to love everyone as much as possible.

You don't deserve love.

You don't deserve to be loved.

You are love.

You are love in action.

You are love in thoughts.

You are love in your eyes.

You are love in every heartbeat.

You're love.

You let yourself be filled by love.

We're a creator of love.

So just be caring and loving and kind, and you're sure that you're in love.

I'm trying to remember how you articulated

this as a spiritual emergency.

You said something, let's see if I may have actually written it down.

Oh.

Oh yeah.

You, yeah.

You said putting love back at the center of our lives.

When you say this is an emergency, it's a powerful word.

What do you mean by emergency?

I work for almost 15 years.

as an organizer and manager of a youth service association for

homeless, addicted, and delinquent.

And I observe in this work that even what we fear in the world,

like the violent people, the delinquent, addict people that.

It's true that they are only suffering creators right now.

So even us the day that I'm not at my best, it's because

I don't feel good inside.

So in repetition, it proved me that it'll take time.

We will need to be patient, but I'm pretty sure that if all our wounds

are created but lack of love or the opposite of being a love and care, what

will heal us will be love, for sure.

So if we want a world that everyone.

It is not, dangerous for us.

Is not violent, is not desperate.

We need to put love right now, like more than everything.

And love for me, it's the way of the heart that is stronger than the way of the mind

because the mind can always disassociate ourself for a group of person.

For, political view, different ideology, different race even.

I don't even understand that we talk again about races, fuck, we're

human we're just, on the earth.

But the mind can even give us good reason to hate someone, to have resentment about

someone, to not forgive that memory or.

But the heart wants to love and what make your heart at peace.

Love.

So the way of the heart is always love.

So just fuck, love.

You just made me think like the way we use our minds in this

modern era is we use it to dissect, yep.

To cut things up, to separate things.

It is this and not that.

It is that and not this, I am this and not that.

I am more of what I want and less of what I don't want.

And you are different from me and blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the heart.

As you use it, no age, know things as a whole.

Yeah.

It's a six, month years old Child that just love, look at the world and love.

There's no good, bad, evil, blah, blah.

There's no, he did that to me yesterday.

Says you reborn yourself in this kind of field of joy and peace

and compassion that is love.

And I really think that we need to talk again about that.

That, okay, that looks cheesy.

It's looks romantic, but we just confuse everything about

attachment, desire, romantic view.

Love

is a radical offering of ourself.

It's a radical come back to our essence.

It's really what every kind of real spirituality talk about

being your own great spirit, being reconnect to your soul.

It's like it want to love.

There's something inside of us that just want to love

everything, everyone, every day.

We are born to express that love, like infinite waves of oceans in the world.

I really believe in it, but we need to listen less that and really more

body, heart connected together.

Somebody say something bad to me, my head can spin and I can hate it

and revenge myself and criticize or have a superiority complex.

It can go any direction.

What my heart want to be in peace to love.

Say I want to love, I can really make an effort to love a little bit more.

We talk about using the head to protect the heart, like the

head thinks the heart can be injured by something other than a bullet or an arrow.

but the heart wants to expand,

The heart is the protection, the ultimate protection

already there's a field of joy, peace and love that is there.

In Buddhism, we'll say that the, Om Mani Padme Hum, the mantra of

compassion, is the ultimate, protection.

Because when I wish you to be happy and whatever you told me, whatever you do

to me, whatever you are in the world, whatever you do, not what you are

actually, because we confuse that also.

When I wish you happiness, I wish happiness to a coyote

in the desert of Arizona.

not because he eat or hunt rabbits in the night when he is frenzy, just

because it's a creature that exists.

And I can wish for everyone to be happy.

I think we can wish and we can be more kind to each other, like a lot more.

Doesn't mean that we need to give everyone permission to do everything.

We still need to have justice and protect the innocent and have a meaning of

life and educate people that don't know how to behave even before they learn.

We can do something for them to not behave in a society maybe and be in

close environment, but there are our emotion even that need to be loved.

Like a parents that will give permission or a rules in the house.

It's not because she hate, or they hate their kids.

Is because they love them.

We can be good parents to each other.

We can be good brothers and sister.

Love doesn't mean to allow everyone to put bombs everywhere because

he find it fun or he slap in his face, his sisters and brothers.

Parents love and he educate, transmit values, talk about things, give you a

chance to go in your rooms and think about what you It's that it's, but

in your heart, it's full of love.

There's no hatred, there's no revenge, there's no resentment.

that's poisoning the world right now.

Just a moment ago, you mentioned the head, the heart, and

then you brought the body in, which is where tantra comes into this.

Yeah.

Will you talk a little bit about that?

Tantra as this path.

Yeah.

I think that the body is also the recipient of everything.

It's the, it is the way that we can feel and be connected to the world.

Not to our instinct.

Not only desire, not only pulsion and compulsion, but truly we can

feel the, actually the body, with its 5 senses and maybe even more.

It is the way that we truly connect to the world.

I feel the wind right now.

I see you and at the same time I smell flowers and I hear the

birds, and I'm already in, ecstasy.

I just need to open the doors of every sense.

And the sensuality of this day, of this moment is there for me to enjoy.

And in this, there's a serenity, there's a peace.

There's no more thoughts.

So the body is always in the moment present.

So we talk about this present moment at this time that you're

here now the power of now.

The body is always there.

And we talk in the spirituality about how we need to be united,

in communion, connected together.

This body is always a doorway to everything that's surrounding me.

Like in the pure feeling sense of it.

So if we listen to it, if we go deeper in it, if we just submerge

ourself to the feeling, sensation, sensuality of living, there's a joy,

there's a celebration, there's life.

This body's a alive, the mind can be so dead.

The same idea, the dead idea.

The wrong idea.

The negative idea, the regression idea.

This body, every heartbeat, every breath is a symphony of life force.

This is there.

So we need to reconnect.

I don't think that in any societies before us, we were that much

disconnected from our body because we don't need the body as much as before.

we don't breathe, walk, fight, scream, enjoy, do fire dance around.

There's a connection with nature, the elements, each other,

that pass through the body.

Now we living in the different houses and different rooms.

Even the couple live in different beds and it's like.

We touch when we want, but the rest of the time we're not emerged, we're protected

even from the environment here in

Pachalegria, Zipolite,

Mexico, we sweat we laugh, we eat with our hands.

We hug everyone, it's, there's something sensual, but what it mean it's feel good.

There's even hormones oxytocin that is not only attachment, but

love and compassion and empathy and happiness that is activating our body.

it's show us the way to be related to everyone.

And everything.

This is something I have noticed since I've been in Mexico

and it was true in, Puerto Vallarta and it was true in Oaxaca City.

But in Zipolite it's dialed up and that is the connection to the world around.

the waves are intense.

We hear them crashing.

Last night it sounded like a demolition, but you have to

be aware, and it's luxurious.

Yeah.

Yes.

They're dangerous, but it's just delicious.

And

we play with it.

We play with nature.

Actually.

The nature play with us.

Yes.

We don't play.

We're fucking nothing, just it play with us.

Yeah.

And the people, there's the cooking, the way people throw themselves into the

cooking, the way they throw themselves there's a lot of work happening.

Yeah.

All the time.

People are using their bodies.

And it's hot and it's

sweaty.

Yeah.

We do our, we do a wall of stone with the, my workers here, they do

stones by themselves one by one.

We do the walls, we cook, we go, we walk down, we take, actually

the fish is in the ocean here.

the pollo give us, eggs.

The fruit and vegetables is everywhere.

We can grab it, smell it, see it.

We're surrounded by the world can be really more sensual

than intellectual and rational.

This is what we need to go back to.

Otherwise, why this form?

Yes.

Why those feelings?

All the hormones in the body is secreted in this body.

So everything that configure it, even organs in the immune

system our mental health.

It's there to be felt.

This experience, this life, it's an opportunity to feel

Not to think otherwise.

It will be a computer, it will be a book, it will be, something

that will script in the wall.

In the wall, but.

We are here to feel

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

And we'll feel, at the end of our lives, we'll feel just a moment longer Yeah.

Than we think.

And all we'll want is one more breath.

Yeah.

And that is something that we forget.

I don't know what it's like in Montreal, but in San Francisco for

30 years I spent a, well as a massage therapist, I used my body a lot.

As a coach and creative, I was on my laptop all the time.

Mm-hmm.

So my brain, so my eyes are on my laptop, my world gets this big, and

then I go out to the gym to use my body.

I go dancing to use my body, but it's all in a contained environment.

Yeah.

And then I come back this an

hour and after that, yeah.

You freeze again.

Yep.

Here at Pachalegria and the way our, our tanha workshop was structured with

movement in the morning, followed by communal time at a table, followed

by going and weaving into the town, coming back for more movement.

then when it was over, that flow has continued dancing,

moving, eating with other people,

breathing, laughing, hugging, feeling, crying, screaming,

enjoying this is the way to live.

Yes, we miss that.

Everybody's craving for a life.

The meaning of life.

It's to live more.

That's it.

Yeah.

Enjoy more, cry more, scream more.

That's it.

Hug more, smell more.

It's more why we disconnect ourself from all of that I don't know.

We talked about the power of the body and the power of the sexual

energy of the body, and the kundalini, you used this image of the labyrinth that

at the center of the labyrinth is the Minotaur I had never never heard this.

Yeah.

I like to mix my mythology.

So go from a kundalini, the dragon of the Taoist, Kundalini, and the Minotaur That

is a life force, brute, pure life force.

And it works like the image works so well.

Daedelus, who created the labyrinth was an engineer from the head.

the mind with the mind.

And so he, the king says, we have to trap this beast.

Yeah.

Beast me, meaning, out of control force.

Strength.

And instead of killing it, and they couldn't kill it because

they cannot kill it.

So they created a way that it couldn't get out.

And so that vital force goes in circles until the hero comes

along and starts to connect.

connect with that primal force.

Yeah.

And Ariadne's love.

She's the one who guide, who loves.

So it's love that will guide us to come back to our true strength force power.

I And the heroes is always the conscious.

It's who is conscious of itself.

Of himself It's the quest of the self, I feel this year when we talk right

now in the world, what is happening?

We feel always powerless.

And we feel that we fear to be cut of our power.

But me, I really feel that we fear most of all to be powerful, to create

a life, to create a vision, to manifest ourself, to live truly and fully this.

What happened when I'm free myself, I free the Minotaur my creative

instinctive inner primal strength

If I tap on it every day and I say, my God, I'm so free,

I'm so free, I'm so alive.

I want to devour this existence.

I want to contribute to it.

I want to see this world to be better.

I want to love more.

What happen if you do that and you free yourself from your daily

life, your thinking, judgment, convention, attachment, fear.

If you free yourself, the Minotaur is free in the labyrinth which is the mind stop.

What is when there's a inner space that everything is free and liberate.

What?

You're not trapping yourself again and again and again.

Because the labyrinth it's not a way to find ourself.

It's was a way to lose ourself.

We lose ourself in too many thoughts, too many judgment, too

many analyze, too many strategies.

Too many.

Just live, breathe, enjoy, erect something inside of you.

it's there to say yes.

I'm part of this amazing creation, this mystic creation, this, magic creation,

and I just need to dance and love it and enjoy it and honor it and take care of it.

And there's something in there too, like there are all

these positive emotions or what we call positive emotions, the passion,

but inside of that there's also anger and rage and frustration at the way

things are, but that can be channeled.

Like once that's free, it can be put with love, it can be channeled in a loving way.

And there's that thread again.

Yeah.

That, that there, the fear is that the Minotaur is going to overtake us.

that primal force is going to devour us.

It need to devour us.

It's true.

Say that.

It need to devour the ego.

Ah, it needs to

devour.

It's there because it need to destroy the mind, the complexity of the mind,

the hesitation, the confusion, the ignorance, the source of all or freeze.

stuck resistance, uh, lifestyle.

Hmm.

So this need to be devoured completely.

But who I am when I'm a free spirit, a free body, a free fire in this world,

when I'm dancing with every day, every moment, I don't need nothing

and no one to be happy and find this celebration inside of myself.

Who I am when I can love freely without receiving love

or not in return, don't care.

I'm here to love.

I'm not here to be loved.

I'm here to love.

I need to share who I am when I'm free from all that bullshit,

I cannot be controlled anymore

by others.

Society, pain Pass, I'm completely free.

I reach a inner power that nobody can destroy and this everyone

is afraid about because it's a radical change of lifestyle.

I cannot complain.

I cannot be a victim anymore.

I cannot put the responsibility in the power of others.

This is what I'm afraid about.

You're making a really, you're.

Man, getting out of the United States has sort of boggled my mind and it,

I already knew it at one level, but I didn't really understand the depth of

the way the strings are being pulled to keep people afraid and divided.

That this, it is systematically designed that way.

I'm, it's a control mechanism.

This sounds so obvious to say out loud, but once you're really on

the outside and watch it happening from a distance, it's crazy.

And if you are in charge of your own state.

Yeah.

If you are choosing to love and express and be authentic and

you're not afraid to die that way.

Yeah.

We will die anyway.

Yeah.

So die the way you are, die the way.

Die in celebration.

Die in a state that you wanna be in.

Oh, I like that.

Die in celebration.

Each moment that is impossible to control.

We cannot be afraid anymore.

So we will see the world like a big one village.

We'll see humanity as a big one family where we'll see ourself have nothing to

be ashamed about or, but it's also so much controlling and manipulative the

narrative about the body, the beauty, the stigma of, or characteristic or

desire that is configured through, something that is so small right now.

We can love, enjoy, be touched, touch the world, see the world infinitely.

Let's go into that a little bit.

The shame piece, how that is used to control.

I was up against that during the workshop.

It was really alive.

Just all of the things that I felt shame about.

what's what's going on there?

What do you see happening and what's the antidote?

But

it'll always be love.

But it'll be also kind of humility.

The ego need to compare it to be in competition, to perform So being

ashamed, it makes people feel small about themselves It's created by, 2000 years

of ideology that make us being ashamed of our pulsion, desire, sexuality,

woman body, orgasm, everything that was there to make us reach gods, from

erotic books of, China, Arabic society, Japanese society, Taoists, India.

There was a way that we were orgasming, living, enjoying, touching, dancing,

screaming to reach, to, to celebrate, to dance until we reach gods.

We dance like a Shiva.

we reach the Great Spirit.

There was those pathway all around the world forever because we know,

what we need, but to have someone else have power over us, between us and

what is divine and absolute and great.

But you need to be ashamed and feel guilty of something.

because you don't deserve to be saved until I save you or it

save you It make us so small.

We were a celebrator.

We were invocator.

Say invocator.

And the one, invo all the one who possess the power to invoke, to bring inside all

the divine energy field of consciousness, awareness, and magic in the world.

We were that for so long in this planet.

and there's some ideology that cut us from that.

And they put shame and guilt as a prison.

So the way that now it's the capitalist view.

they create this, they take the same kind of scheme

To say, ah, but you don't deserve to be love until you use this

cream, this surgery, this new color, this car, this, whatever.

You need more to just deserve to be saved actually.

And now we don't want to save by God.

We want to save by society, but, but by others, by being

loved, by pleasing everyone.

We beg, to be saved from a supreme power, and now we just

beg each other all the time.

politics, father couple relation.

your boss.

You just beg to be saved.

Tell me, I, I deserve that.

Tell me I'm good enough to be loved.

Just the dignity to be alive sometimes.

to have happiness, to, to deserve success.

No one is supposed to give us that.

We have the right to be, happy.

outsourcing your dignity, like to, to the outside.

give me dignity.

Give me respect.

Yeah.

Make me respectable.

Give the right to exist.

It's even that sometime.

It's so infantilizing.

Yeah.

it is.

Right now there's no adult anymore.

Sometime I say that when I, with kindness, I look at each other humans and I say.

Where is the adult?

Who's the fuck is the wise man, the wise woman, of the world?

Even when we get old, we just beg for more we beg for mercy, we beg for bill.

We beg to be saved.

We beg to have attention.

We beg, we always like four years old, like the kids that need

attention and need to be saved and because we never reach this power.

We never reach the state of pure joy, love, power, infinite, primal force.

That creative force that is inside of us.

Nobody celebrate life.

Nobody let this light, this in this life celebrate itself.

Letting the life celebrate itself.

I do feel like the father archetype, a good representation of the

father archetype or the, or a good king, a benevolent king.

We don't see that right now.

There is a real dearth of authentic leadership, of leadership worth following.

And when I say follow, I don't mean get behind them like the band, but emulate.

This person is doing something that works.

our politicians certainly aren't representing that.

but that's the ruler.

I think we need to go back to the origin of the mythology of a ruler.

It is, there's not a king that is a king by itself.

No.

First there was always a queen.

It's a, and it's a inner mythology.

So there was never supposed to have one yang masculine, power that lead alone.

In every mythology, which is gods and goddess, all the pantheos and the pan,

everything is God, everything is theos.

it was always a diversity of.

gods and goddess, let's say just expression of feminine masculine energy,

receptive and active forms of life.

So we were supposed to be in path and listen before acting.

We were supposed to have a heart open and caring, to act with strength.

it was already supposed to be a beautiful mix.

It was, there's no unique ruler.

In every true mythology of the world, there was always this dance meeting

chemistry of masculine feminine form that was going together.

And before being a king and a queen, there was a princess and the knight, there

was this ego that need to prove itself.

And there was a princess that in most mythology was outside the kingdom.

And was virgin not touched by anyone?

Not contaminate by thoughts, by society, by the world, and live far away up.

Like the soul.

And this virgin part of herself, which is the soul was there not to be

saved, to be reconnect by the hero.

It's the quest of the knight go for the grail which

help to see inside of you.

What is there.

So the princess, it's the yin energy part of the soul inside of us.

And the knight will go and Reach it and bring it to the kingdom.

Which is our life.

My kingdom is what I do with my life, but this force inside of us,

it's craving for something greater and pure and beautiful and virgin.

So the ruler, without this connection with the soul force, it's the ego authority.

it's a narcissistic, it's manipulative, it's abusive.

Because power and love and compassion need to be together.

Power for power is abusive, always power by itself.

It's abusive.

And love by itself, by the way, it's passive.

So if we want love to reach power and power to reach, they

are supposed to be together.

We're supposed to be fully active and strength and proactive and creative.

With love and empathy and compassion and kindness for each other.

Otherwise, one is anemic and the other one is abusive.

It is the collision.

It's the union of them that are supposed to make us full.

And holding that tension, that's something that gets lost.

People start seeking one or the other.

I hadn't thought about the maiden in the tower from that perspective.

and when you use the word virgin,

there was no vagina about that.

she didn't make love.

I hope she make love a lot.

once connected with the body

because, but it is the, it's the untouched by, actually, it's the

mind that is untouched by the society.

Nobody touch it, touch it a lot, but the mind was not corrupted by

the, the, the world of man and egos.

The mind is separate from the ego.

Yeah.

That there is mind, that it just minding world.

Yeah.

It's a space.

It's a space

Yeah.

Awareness.

But then it gets corrupted by the need to dominate, the fear of the other, the

pathological impulse to dissect things.

Yeah.

And that this connection of the body and the soul then together,

that's where the breath came in.

Yeah.

With tantra, mind, body, heart.

In service.

That seems like the next thing that's missing is because the mind is still

trying to consume, to extract, but to turn that around, take that power and that

love, but let the love steer the power.

Yeah.

and create something new.

Actually, the cocreation is Shiva Shakti.

The feminine masculine energy is the yin and the yang.

I need to be receptive.

And listen to the world to know how to act in the world.

This is the, exactly the composition of my inner feminine masculine ruler.

I have empathy for others, so I know how to talk to them.

When I guide a group, if I don't listen 70% of the time, the even intuitively the

group, I will never know how to guide.

If I just want to guide and teach and I the authority of someone

who know the process, I will be wrong half of the time, or always.

Oh, all the time.

Half of it or more is empathy, listening, compassion, feeling, being in service.

Can we bring this around, to the personal for what you are making here?

Because you are clearly somebody who is driven by passion and creativity,

but also a sense of purpose.

What are you make, what are you up to?

What is your vision for this?

You up to?

What are,

what are you up to?

What are you up to?

What is your vision

for that?

Thinking about is finding a mango today to eat and I want to go play

with the waves that is so big today.

So I need them to just play with me a little bit.

But yeah, other than that, I want to create a utopia.

I think that we can own and be owned by, actually we can have a

part of this land, this planet.

And for the power that we have, we can create something good.

So I, I imagine that I create a place where people are free to be

And can explore spirituality, wellness, healing themself,

and the as free as possible

of the rest of the world, wherever they came from.

To forget all the social persona and to reach this kind of fresh

land of the heart, soul self that is there with each other.

So I create this space and I continue to make the space

bigger and I buy land around and

Pachalegria Center and Spa and the people that live here and share a

place for coming back every year.

Another one just visit us for one time and a festival and different facilitator

that also take the space for a different group we preserve and we take care of,

cats and animals and lands and iguana that we respect and we keep all the

stones in this land to build around because there was nest for iguanas.

So they are still living with us now and.

it's utopia how we can coexist in harmony evolutive healing environment.

What makes Zipolite the perfect place for this?

'cause it is clearly the perfect place for this,

It's a place to be free.

It's maybe the last boheme village.

neo hippie environment.

LGBT Community take part of it now for 10 years approximately, but mostly it was

the hippies that arrived here in the early seventies and installed themselves, which.

Actually a fisher village.

Port Angel was there three kilometers of beach.

We can be naked or not.

We live in camping in hammock or we build houses and spa and the yoga center.

And there's a circus.

There are artists here.

There's a authentic creative way of life.

Because there's no structure.

and there's so much freedom and diversity that it all allow all of us to just.

create a new paradigm for ourself.

So it's also like a shock sometimes.

It's shocking how everything is there and coexist together, but there's

something that make it exist in harmony.

No violence.

The people sleep naked in the beach in the night that nothing is happening here.

Every ages are local people, tourists, expat, residents.

We all here for now, more than 50 years almost, living in this

place and making it happen.

So I think it's really the last.

boheme hippie free lifestyle compared to Ubud and Goa, that became more commercial.

We will be more commercial too.

New York Times talk to about us every year.

Now different, TV show, like Expat they, they come here and

they film because it's a. Kind of place outside time and space also.

It really is.

So there will be more people.

We need to preserve the authenticity, the culture, but it'll change

because life is changing.

It's impermanent.

I hope because of that, we continue to have the good people that they

came here, they don't want to impose no lifestyle, no identity, no rules,

So we need to be fully aware here.

Everything coexist.

Is there anything I haven't asked you today that

you'd like to bring into the mix?

We need to rethink life completely.

We need to be dreamers.

We need to go to another vision.

I think we need to seek for vision.

There's the big popularity of being meaningful but meaning came also by

understanding, by rational thoughts ., I think we need to be dreamers.

I think we need to be keeper of the dreams.

What is the dreams, the collective dreams, the individual dreams.

But how we dreams the world need to just guide us.

I can't let that go without bringing y was it Jung or

Campbell who said, dreams are private myths and myths are collective dreams.

And that is, it is what's missing right now.

Yeah.

is a cohesive myth.

Yeah.

We're in a crisis of meaning right now.

No one is happy to fight each other and create

a war and killing each other.

There's no dream in it.

We all dream to take a boat, go there and, hug them and, and save them.

Say, we want to save each other.

We're there, or our mythology is, it's caring and loving

and sharing and that's it.

But we need to dream.

In the real life.

In the real world.

That's why I do with Pachalegria, how with our resource right now and my life

and who I am, I can at least impose a little bit of this dream in reality.

And you have,

this is our responsibility.

This is a living dream.

Martin, thank you so much for your time today.

Thank, I really appreciate it.

Oh, thank you.

And I, I hope we'll get to have one of these conversations again.

Thanks everybody.

Have a great day.