Annmarie Chereso is a Transformational Coach who has worked extensively with parents and children, reminding them of the power of presence, understanding relational dynamics, and feeling their feelings. Her parenting work extended from having a blended family of 9 children and her mindfulness and coaching business. She is here to support not only parents and teens but women interested in being their true self as they move through midlife with ease and grace. Annmarie is such a divine guide to hold this role, in this lifetime, and I know you’ll love so many moments of this interview.

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS (what you’ll learn):

• Wisdom on parenting, consciousness and unconditional love
• Parenting is not, and was never meant to be, about perfection
• Why reclaiming femininity and community in modern culture is so important
• Annmarie’s self care practices and how they have changed
• How mindfulness, devices, and free are interrelated
• The curiosity and willingness to trust and hold space for our kids (even our grown
• kids!)

About The Guest:

In her playful, heart-centered approach Transformational coach, Annmarie midwifes you through the expansions and contractions of fear to love, inspires you to see clearly and empowers you to let go of your conditioned beliefs so that you can reach your full potential, experience unconditional love and find true freedom in your relationships and in your life. With more than two decades of expertise, Annmarie has trained people around the globe through online courses, coaching, speaking, workshops and retreats.

Over the course of her career, she has had the good fortune of training with master teachers such as Jon Kabat Zinn, Jack Kornfeild, Thich Nhat Hahn, Daniel Rechsteffan and Susan Kaiser Greenland, Martha Beck, The Conscious Leadership Group and many more. She lives in Chicago with her husband and together they raise their blended family of 9.

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Hello and welcome back to mystical

sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen Spielman. And today I

sit down with Anne Marie Teresa. And Marie is a transformational

coach who started really in mindfulness 10 plus years ago.

She sees it as a thread that's been part of her life story. I

met her when I was setting up social emotional programming for

my local school, and she was on the speaker series. So she

brings her wisdom and her life experiences to this conversation

today. She supports parents and teens and women on a journey of

reclaiming their most authentic selves. And most recently

working with women who are interested in stepping into a

long forgotten role of Matriarch in our culture. I think you'll

find this conversation really fascinating. And I'll see you in

that episode. As always, thank you for being here. Hey there,

welcome to mystical sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen

Spielman. I started the show to highlight the intuitives,

healers and other courageous women that I've met along my

journey and continue to meet. Through amazing interviews, I

seek to ask insightful questions to uncover ways in which you the

listener can apply the wisdom and knowledge to your own life.

I believe that we're all in this together. So sharing healing and

joy, and bringing community together is both my passion and

purpose. If you'd like to learn more about the mystical

sisterhood community I'm building, please visit www

mystical sisterhood.com See you in the episode.

Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,

Maureen Spielman. And today I sit down with Anne Marie

Cerrito. And I'm very, very excited for this conversation.

And Marie is a transformational life coach. And she has a wealth

of experience working with children, teens, families,

schools, communities, around mindfulness, and a lot of

tangents that come from mindfulness presencing, being

with ourselves, getting to know ourselves, showing up as

authentically as we can, I'm just kind of going with the

spirit of who you are. And Marie, and I'll tell the

listeners, I first met you what was probably, I guess, 10 years

ago, plus, maybe even. And I, along with a friend had formed a

group in our local school called Connect for kids. And it was a

North Shore alliance that held a speaker series that we were able

to go to, and I believe that's where we first met. And you were

in the beginning, I feel like the career that we'll talk about

today has taken you on a steady path, but one that's had, you

know, roads that go in different directions to as you discover

where you're your skill set your expertise, your wisdom, your

life experiences are needed, and how that's changed and grown for

you over time. But I'll just say welcome with those few welcoming

words.

Thank you so much, gosh, it's crazy to think

about when I say things, or when I hear you talk about, like,

over 10 years ago, and like how it almost feels like

simultaneously a minute ago, and the way that life is happening

so quickly.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I couldn't agree more

I can remember that time and the endeavors that we were both

embarking on that was, was that the beginning of your career?

And sort of a new line of work for you

know, that that wasn't it? It was probably those seeds

were planted probably, well, a decade before that, but I can

even go back in my, like psyche or my consciousness and find

them way, way back into my own childhood into the like, you can

see the seeds, how they've been planted over time and how

they're gently guiding you in the right direction or a

direction. I don't even know if I want to call it the right

direction, but an aligned direction.

Yeah. So what did that what kind of through

lines or threads do you see for yourself?

Like I can remember really odd things like as a

child being drawn to things like Jim Mastix and I remember having

a book, it was called calisthenics. And it was like

this hardcover blue book. And I just remember, like, like,

feeling like I was that that book was for me, you know, and

really where that was when I was probably 10 years old or

something. So I was really, really young. And where that's

eventually led me is to this yoga path. And then the yoga

path led me to a meditation path and a meditation path led me to

consciousness path and a consciousness path led me to a

spiritual path and spiritual path led me to a mystical path

and energetic path and all these things that were like, you know,

lily pads on the, on the pond. So ultimately, I think, if you

look back on your life, and really trust that it's leading

you.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it reminds me, I think

I said on an earlier, like an early podcast, but I think of

what comes to mind for me is when I got off my path, and I

studied, I started studying nursing when I got to college.

And that's probably more in alignment with me, but I wasn't

sure if I wanted to do it, because it meant that I had to

leave the campus, I was studying to go to the medical school in

another city. And so I said, Well, I'm not gonna do that. And

then I went into political science and even worked on

Capitol Hill for just a little bit. And that wasn't my

direction. And I sometimes think, like, what was that, but

maybe it was just for discernment, or to let allow me

to see if it was for me. And then I came back, and I went

into speech pathology. So always, it is true that life

does guide us in keeps on inviting us forward as to what

our purpose and path is.

Yeah. And I would say, you know, you and I both have

young adult kids, and they're navigating this time in life,

right, like, what's next? And where am I headed? And, you

know, someone laid out the path for me for 20 some odd years.

And now here I am at 22 years old, and where do I go? And what

do I do? And how do I cover up my own path? And, and there is

this sense, I'm sensing, I sense it in my kids as they've

navigated these stages, but it's like, what's the right thing to

do? And I would say, like you taking that quote, unquote,

diversion is perfect. And everything's perfect. And

everything is here guiding us, even when we find it

uncomfortable, or especially when we find it uncomfortable.

So it's funny, because my daughter just graduated college

in May. And she's, you know, she's figuring things out. And

it's really uncomfortable. And someone said, Well, you know,

what are you doing while she's so uncomfortable? And I, you

know, I said, I'm wishing for the greatest amount of

discomfort,

out hoping for the most possible suffering,

such that she can really wake herself up to what her soul is

calling her towards. And I don't know if that is I have no idea

what

that is. Exactly. We don't know. And you

are able, I'm guessing a lot of people would not wish that. But

you are based on I think your practices I'm projecting or, but

is that you have the ability to hold space for that discomfort.

And I think if we kind of today, I want to talk about like, your

work around parenting, because I think that there's some

important things to say you have very a bigger family because

it's a blended family. You said three children of your own and I

think six national. So you have you have many young adults, you

are guiding, plus all your training and everything and then

weave into your current work with women. But yeah, I mean,

what comes to mind to you when you think about the children

we're raising today, and some have almost the skill set or

ways of being that we were being more invited to be in as

parents? Yeah, yeah.

I think that's a really great question. I think I've

spent the last 25 years trying to figure that out and uncover

that right? Because I don't know about you, but 26 years ago,

when I first became pregnant with my first child, which is,

or actually I was about to give birth to my first child. I got

the books. And I'm like, I'm gonna read about this thing

called parenting. And I'm going to be the best parent I can be.

And I'm going to I want the guidebook I got What to Expect

When You're Expecting and I like highlight it and tagged it and

book Mark didn't, you know, and I was going to do this parenting

thing, right? And trying to figure that out for the last

five years. And, and what I got with like, it's not about

parenting. It's just about like, How can I step more deeply into

the most authentic expression of unconditional love, that I can

be in any given moment in relationship to anyone on the

planet? Yeah, my kids are really like, my greatest teachers to

trigger me to wake me up to poke me to prod me to, you know, just

show me the way Yeah. And so for a long time, my attention and my

work in the world was around like conscious parenting, how to

be the best conscious parent almost. And then all of a

sudden, I got with like, Oh, that's not it at all. That's not

all we're up to, we're here to do. Like, this isn't about me

being a particular way. Or it is about me being a particular way.

It's not me being the perfect parent, so that my kids are a

particular way it's about Yeah, we being just my most authentic,

most aligned most alive self, and inviting others into that

energetic space, so that they too can step into their most

lighted, you know, aligned, energetic self. So,

so beautiful. And I think that's a really

important point, that as the different kind of, you know, I

was trained in Dr. Shefali is conscious parenting, but it's

not an end game. It's not a it's not a place of perfection. And

it's not. Because with that, if we're holding ourselves up to

this ideal of what that looks like, or what we're creating it

to look like, can create a lot of shame, too. And I think what

you're saying is that frickin hard. And their kids are our

teachers. And they lead us to our inner wisdom. And so when

you say, the unconditional love for others, I'm guessing that

that's been also worked for yourself.

Of course, yeah. Yeah. Like, of course, you know, and

there's this, this, this thread of motherhood that, as we're

both entering the, you know, middle stages of life, right? So

I'm mothering children, or even children, young adult children,

and then there's your, your aging parents. And then there's

your relationship to your significant other, if there is

one. And then there's the friendships and like there's,

there's a way in which there's this matriarch matriarchal

energy coming forward, that has been stripped away, in service

of showing up the way that the collective and the cultural

norms have had claimed we are to be, and we're forgetting or have

forgotten, the true power that's within us, as women, as mothers

as matriarchs, in our family systems. And it's not about

being perfect. It's about loving perfectly. It's about holding

boundaries beautifully. It's about really owning your power

in the most magical and magnificent ways. And that like

reclaiming that, stepping back into our light, that's the gift.

That's, that's luscious. Yeah, I love that. And

then when you were talking about, you know, how we've been

trained away from it, I find myself going back through the

decades, like when did that begin? When did that begin, and

like my mind's going back through the 80s, the 70s. That's

right. And you just go back and back and back when that like a

modern culture in a way that maybe it's the industrialized,

I'm not a specialist in this, but through every passing year

and decade, cultures just weighed in more and more and

more. And it's reclaiming. I've had so many conversations

recently about getting back to what's essential. I mean, when,

when it's like if I speak for myself, I pick up a lot of books

that are nonfiction. And I love that and that's beautiful and

everything, but man do I miss sitting down with a novel? And

just I come from, you know, sisters, and my mom was a big

reader and we used it that was just communal for us and we

would share the titles and we would discuss them. And it was

simple and it was easy, but you know Just even in that kind of

shared experience, the giving and the receiving and the, the

essential essentialism, the simplicity, I love that. And I

think that there's a real callback for it right now.

Oh, there has been for so, so long, and culture has

sort of stripped us away from that. Just think about our

lifestyle, it's like, wake up, get up, get the kids out the

door, or wherever you're at your stage in life, it's like Get up,

get out the door, go, go, go, go come home, you know, make a meal

workout, do whatever it's like, there's the there's this like

rushing energy. That's sort of at the root that weaving into

our lives, there's very little being spaces to just be, and

were stripped of community, stripped of connection to each

other. We've been put into a competitive culture where it's

me against you, rather than a we like, how can we support one

another? So there's all sorts of ways and, and that's, that

that's sort of like bleeding into all areas of our culture?

Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm thinking, while I'm

thinking of women in us taking the space and the time for

ourselves, and I'm also thinking of that wisdom we hold as we do

guide if one is guiding the next generation. And if we are

rediscovering and remembering ancient kind of tools. Yeah,

we're always within us, you know, what is there for us to

kind of cultivate and hand down to this very, very modernized

generation coming up? Yeah.

Well, there's, there's one of the things I used to say

to parents that I work with, and I say to, to everyone I work

with now is like the real experts actually within so you

can go buy a million books and read a million books, which

raise your hand if you've done that, I've done that. And, and

that wisdom is important. It's important, but it's important to

the to the importance of that is reading something because it's

resonating back to a truth within you. So it's reminding

you a truth it's within you. It's not that no XYZ author know

some truth that they've now just somehow bestowed upon me, are

you? It is oh, it's It's waking me up. It's waking my sister's

waking. Her words are waking up, his words are waking me up. And

we are here are to wake each other up. Yeah, that's what

we're here to do. And sometimes that looks like a gentle nudge.

And sometimes it looks like a pope. And sometimes it looks

like smack across the face. Whatever, like, love will show

us the way love will show us how to wake one another how to wake

ourselves up. If we're willing to trust, trust that path and

follow.

Oh, yeah, I love it. Do you see through your

act of work with people, whether it be through the parenting or

women now? Do you see things changing? Do you find that

there's a new opening occurring? Or what are you kind of seeing?

I I'm seeing Well, it's interesting with the young

people that I talked to, there's, there's like a if

you're if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see me but

like, describe it with words. There's like an angst there's

like a breaking out, right? Like, something like that.

There's like, there's like a shell. And it's like the chicken

inside the shell or something. And it's just trying to crack

out and there's like, Yeah, whatever, whatever has been

created isn't quite, it's not fitting me. Yeah, that's what

I'm seeing happening. You know, and for years, I used to say to

parents, you know, your kids who are not falling into the

traditional paradigm, they there's an actually like, we

have to stop looking at what's wrong with them and start

looking at what's wrong with us in this culture. Right, like,

what's going on that this culture is creating so much

stress, so much anxiety, so much depressant, depression, so much

resistance from the young people like the young people are here

to wake us up? Yeah, absolutely. Whatever's going on over there.

By the way, it's not working. Look, look at what you did.

Look, it's I

so agree with you. And I feel like they are

saying that and it's showing up in their anxiety. It's showing

up in different mental states emotional, you know, crises

really. And I think we are kind of, I don't know as parents

torchbearers, their, their Messengers for it. But I feel

like I know for myself, it is standing up to the system to

because we begin, it doesn't mean you have to be an activist

and have to, you know, crusade like, I think I used to do a

little bit more trying to change systems. But even individually

speaking up for what's right with for our children, and I,

and I don't know from the teacher perspective, if they're

starting to hear more voices, because I, I'm having more

conversations from parents who are tuned in and beginning to

tune in and beginning to be willing to listen to what they

what their child has to say, which is so incredibly

important.

Yeah, I think that listening, like listening,

deeply listening, with all three centers of your intelligence,

that thing that women like, are really good at. So we're really,

really good at listening beyond the words and tuning into the

energy that's coming forward, all of us can do that, with our

bodies, and with other beings on the planet, so me that our

children or significant relationships or anyone in the

world, like we, we have this great ability to be attuned to

it all attuned to all of life. Because the center of creation

lives within us. Right. So we are attuned to that. Yeah. So

when we, when we're deeply trusting ourselves when we're

deeply listening to ourselves, and blocking out the noise of

the culture and and then tuning into what's in right

relationship. That requires some courage. Because it does mean

saying no, to this, like whole, like, onslaught of yeses, right?

Everyone around us is saying one thing, and we're saying, wait a

minute, that's not quite so right. And I want to do it

differently. And then you're getting all the pushback of

like, well, no, you can't. And here's why. And so I think it's

really important. So you asked the question, What am I getting

from who I'm talking to these days? I think the women I'm

talking to particularly us who have entered this mid stage of

life, right? We're like, looking back onto the last, you know,

half of our life and looking forward to the next future. And

we can see more clearly, we can sort of see that what's been

happening hasn't necessarily always been of service. And

where I'm headed, I'm not sure the culture is going to take me

there. In so something new has to be created. If we want to

create a new outcome, a different.

Yeah. Yeah. So beautiful. Such a beautiful

invitation. Gary, yeah, yeah. And we've been, we've been

cultured to think that we always need to turn to our mind to find

out the answers. And what you're saying, I hear you saying it's

probably a combination, but really moving into the heart

space and your divine intelligence. And what you know,

I was, it went in what you were just sharing to, I was reminded

of how we began of sitting with someone else's pain. I mean, in

my training is a lot about sitting with your own emotions.

And I know when I was looking through just your bullet points

on your online course of feeling your feelings, you know, it's

really honoring. I feel like when I was younger, I always

used to hear Mind Body Spirit. But I was attracted to it. But

he didn't really have a sense of what it really was. Yeah. And we

are truly multi dimensional beings we are. And I think we're

meant to operate from all of these places that we are maybe

equally

for the mind is not the master. And I would say when I

first started studying mindfulness, I just didn't get

it. I was like, I don't understand what does it be

present? And I'm sitting there and I'm doing it. And I'm doing

it. It took me a few years until I finally got it. And it sort of

takes time, right to unwind the workings of the

Manas. Yes.

And then it takes a little bit more time to drop in

to the heart.

Yeah. Yeah. And thanks for sharing that

though. Anne Marie, the part about that you didn't get it for

a while because I think it's such an unraveling, to get to

the space of our emotions and what we're feeling in our body

and sort of learning the teachings because like You were

saying like when we pick up all those beautiful nonfiction

books, they're full of information that touch and light

and bring that light forward within us. Another thing that

came to mind when you were speaking in that segment was, I

often think that when I read some of those books, whether

it's Eckhart Tolle or Wayne Dyer, Caroline Meese, whoever it

is, that they're channeling the information because it seems so

divine when I'm reading it, yeah, but the we're all

channeling information all the time. So let's not put ourselves

as inferior to others, just because that channeling like

we're perceiving it a certain way. One thing that AI is a

guiding light for me for the podcast, and I didn't know this,

and I started inviting people. I think today, I think you're

around like the 39th or 40th episode. But what I was

realizing that we're gurus were amongst us, and that we are all

gurus and you just said something to that fact like the

the We Are The Creator within. So I mean, let's, for the

audience, let's talk about that. And just that we are all the

Guru's we have the answers we, you know, we can we can bring in

whatever we need. But we also can be looking within ourselves.

Yeah, I think that's the most important lesson I

think I've learned, yeah. And my life to date. And I expect there

to be many, many, many more unfolding. But it is like the

gurus in here, I have all the answers. I just have to get all

the doubts and the fears, and the garbage and the gunk, and

the programming and the culture, all of that out of the way. So

that I'm available to hear the wisdom that's in here. And

that's not an easy thing to do in our culture. That's just not

an easy thing to do. So I want to honor that piece too, which

is why community is so important. It's why practice is

so important. It's why creating safe spaces to to remember is so

important. Because we have plugged ourselves back in

well, and I think the deep need is is seen

as well because I always say this but years ago, a former

guest, Susan Lucci. She held circles in my town, it was

probably around the time that I met you. And my my takeaway was,

when you asked the question, and these were in women's groups,

typically, I don't think they were intentionally that way. I'm

not sure. But when you ask the question, oh, it's just the

sharing comes pouring out. The people are so vulnerable. They

said, that to me says, Yeah, we're looking for safe spaces.

We are looking for the upgraded conversations. We want to be

there in that vibration.

Yes. Because we want to be more connected to that part

of ourselves that is connected to the truth. Yeah. That that is

such a missing link for us.

If you I think that finding a practice that

works for, you know, a person, I can speak from my own

experience, finding a practice that works is, it's it that can

be a journey to you know, we can think one thing do you tend to

look at your self care? Does it look the same way? Or do you

like to mix it up? Do you try not to put a time limit or, you

know, like shoulds, too, I saw something the other day, I get

these emails from an upstart a few years ago called commune I

think it's called the commune commune. And I didn't read the

article, I didn't need to but it said like, five reasons you

should throw away your spiritual checklist and it made me laugh.

So anyway, I mean, anything that you have to offer or guiding

wisdom for a listener who might feel cash, I just can't find

what practice is there for me. I, I think I want to be doing

something. Where do I even begin? Or how, how do I not be

hard on myself about it?

Yeah, it's really funny. You bring this up today

because for a period of time now let's call it the last nine or

10 months. I've had my practice has been you know, get up at 530

have a short yoga practice, just let something to get my body

moving. A couple of couple of kinds of meditation, depending

on what's in my practice in the moment, some journaling reading.

There's like a whole there's a whole thing I had and it was

literally a three hour experience which was incredibly

decadent and quite delightful. And not sustainable. Right? So

suddenly like summer came and you know, the house got Fuller

and the season change. So then I wasn't as diligent about

practice. So suddenly they got like, Okay, I'm gonna not do

this part and do this part. And I started getting in judgment

around it. And then the more I got in judgment around it Avella

less I wanted to go to my altar and And so today, I had this

awareness was like, well, let's just shake this thing up a

little bit. Like, maybe we don't need to do a three hour thing.

Maybe maybe we need to try something different. So I

changed up my my morning practices today. And I did make

them a little bit briefer. And I added in a new meditation, I was

just like, I gave my, my morning practice facelift. I love it.

And so what I would invite people who are listening in to

think about it as like, what is nurturing in this Now moment for

you. And by the way, what's nurturing for you is not

nurturing for me or may not be nurturing for me. So find what's

right for you. For some people, it's like, go on a hike. For

some people, it's like, you know, take a swim, I have a

friend who swims every day, religiously for an hour in the

mornings. So whatever it is, that drops you into your body,

out, you know, of the noise of the world around you. I invite

you to do that. Maybe for two minutes, or it can be for two

hours, I don't really care.

So interesting. I love it. And

Maria love the shakeup. And I'm thinking that's an interesting

thing to me, because I think a lot of people like to dip in and

take some time hearing messages on podcast too. And I never knew

anything about podcasts really, or the reach they could have or

how it could you know give just something to a person's life and

I listened to a few now more than I ever have. But it that

can be a refuge to to hear messages like this. And I And

that's I think that's something that I love to do through

mystical sisterhood is to bring some soul nourishing ideas to

the energy, the energy and the experience of listening to, you

know, like this conversation today.

Yep, I podcasts were on my list for a while to where I

would listen to them in the morning. Like find something

inspiring. I was not listening to like the news. And soul

inspiring I wrote that down. Soul nourishing ideas. Love

that.

Yeah. And, and also, that idea of what

nourishes you versus what drains you. Yeah. And talk about like

with your work now with stepping into our womanhood in the

matriarchy, like really being discerning, discerning of with

that. And you know, a lot of some people like to listen to

the news. I hear so many people say they choose not to, and I

tend to fall on that side of things for sure. As, as I knew,

gosh, I knew from a young age, I didn't like scary things, right?

And yet, and I saw my daughter go through it. Like, it was all

the thing to watch scary things, freshman, sophomore year of high

school, and then she's like, scared out of her mind. But that

we don't want to be bringing in fear inducing mediums, whether

it be the news or the

need any more of that than already exists thing. No.

So, you know, maybe I'm not sure. I guess each

individual has to decide what's right for them. And I guess, I

guess the question would be is, how does it make you feel?

Yeah, I mean, my, my main devotional practice right

now is letting my body lead me. Paying attention to what is my

body telling me not what is my head telling me like? What are

the sensations that are occurring in my body here to

tell me Yeah, and can I get radically, like acquainted with

my body? And that's, that's a huge invitation that I think I

would like to invite your audience to is like, can you

really pay attention? Can you quiet the mind long enough to

drop in and feel what's occurring? So that you can use

the intelligence that's beyond the intellect right? There is an

intelligence that we are plugged into that goes way beyond the

intellect that is far more intelligent than we can ever

imagine. Yeah, yeah, that's like that's mystical like that

stepping into the mystical in a big, big way.

Yeah. And offering that to our children,

our teens, our, and my youngest is at the end of high school

now, and I don't know about you, but I laugh sometimes I'm like,

Okay, this kid out of my three kids have has gotten the most

spirituality in a different sense. Like, I'll talk to him

about everything. But I really think in the, it allows him to

consider things in a different way, it allows him to know that

he's more than just his grades or his performance on a sports

field. And I know that's gonna benefit because I think that's

what's being called for like a new. I don't know, just the

deconstruction of the older paradigms, to usher in what's

new, and we don't even know what that's gonna look like, yet.

We have no idea. And I think this is the thing that we

are selling our kids short, this next generation really short,

because we've sold them the story that we know what the

outcome is, like, if you do this, and you do this, you're

gonna get this job. And you're gonna have this kind of life.

And that's what it's all about. And they've really been, like,

sold a lie. It's yeah. vision about the reality of life. Yeah.

And that's why they're so suffering. This is why they're

anxious. This is why they're depressed. This is why they're

struggling so much, because it's not turning out the way they've

been promised.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they're so honed into

it with your kids, because I've been thinking more kindness. For

myself, you know, when I'm talking to you about sitting

with a book sitting, I'm not distracted, is just this whole

idea of like, how, how do we mindfully get away from our

devices?

So hard? Yeah. It's so I have a really hard time with

it. Yeah,

I think, connection. And I know that I've

seen within myself if I'm transparent, more, more usage. I

don't look at numbers or whatever. But I feel and you

know, when I go to bed at night, you know, my daughter's in

college, my older son's at college, and I feel like, well,

if I'm not there to answer the call, and all these things, but

so I think that but there are spaces where if I am watching a

TV program at night, if I put it in the other room, it's better

for me, because I don't need to be multitasking. But any kind of

simple things that you try for yourself?

Well, it's so funny, because I find it really, really

difficult. And we are remote is on our phone. Even if I'm to sit

and engage with a big giant phone, which is my TV. I still

use my little phone to like, access the podium. It's like I

can't escape it ever. Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think I

have anything new or interesting to offer that anyone else

doesn't really know other than this is about free will. This is

about choice. This is about awareness. I really, it's it's

about being unconscious relationship to this device.

That can be a really useful tool.

Yeah, maybe it's, it's right, I was just

gonna make a joke about sending compassion to our phone.

Unconditional Love, but

I do have a lot of gratitude for my phone. Like it

keeps me connected to my kids. It keeps the people I love it's

a really useful tool when I get lost. And I need directions and

Right, right. So there's all sorts of beauty in it. Again,

it's about the device itself. It's about how we're in

relationship to it. And, you know, I have a lot of fear about

the next generation and their addiction to these devices.

Because we're not nearly as addicted, our brains are not

nearly as addicted as their brains are. And that's something

that they're going to have to really grapple with. Yeah,

I often wonder if there'll be a backlash, but I

do think, you know, technology is ushering in the future so

many ways. And it's, and we're still, you know, in ways like

we're in that in between still right? Like when with AI, I can

have that freewill. The choice about whether I want to use that

or not right now, so And how will that change? I was I went

to a college night recently at the high school in the high

school counselors are calling the colleges to say how was aI

factoring into your applications and just all these cash and I

think I remember, it was a while ago, maybe less than 10 years,

but I remember someone saying we don't even know what the jobs of

the future will be. And I found that fascinating because at the

time, I'm like, What are they talking about? Well, now I know

what they're talking about.

We have no idea. Yeah, we had no idea. And I also heard

myself think like, who cares if people are using AI? Like, who

even cares? Like, why are what are we going to do? Are we going

to start chasing down every college essay and see if it was

written by a like, what? What are we doing?

Yeah, and at some point, it's the I know, you

said, you're not on Instagram much anymore. But maybe maybe it

was. I don't maybe it was an old one. But just like, acceptance

and surrender and letting go and acceptance of the as is the

present moment.

Yeah, maybe AI is a beautiful gift. Who knows? I

don't know. And I get to choose how I'm going to be in

relationship to AI.

So yeah, it's kind of funny too. Because if

you, if you like you were saying earlier, if we are to crowd out

the voices, then then you get to decide right? And then don't

have to read all the articles about it. It's just like you get

decide you get decide and seems like a lot cleaner to me like a

lot purer if we get to decide and make our choices.

Yeah, and again, I want to, like bring home this point.

Like, to me, the most fundamental thing we can be

learning as women, particularly as women, because I believe that

like reimagining the matriarchy, and our culture is fundamental

to our future success. And if we can remember to tune in to that

still small voice within that voice of wisdom, that deep voice

of knowing, really stepping into that mystical part of ourselves.

And trust in that voice. That is the single most important thing

that we can do as women on the planet right now.

Yeah, and so I'm thinking of that right there

and Marie, and anything that a listener is going through,

whether it is you know, a child going through a hardship or a

social issue, or deciding, you know, if you should move your

aging parent, just this, the sitting and the quieting in the

stillness, and that's why, you know, to the point of doesn't

have to look like a practice that is this long or anything

like that. You can cultivate these practices within the

moments of your day, and breach like we began today setting an

intention just to kind of bring an open heartedness and

truthfulness, I think we touched upon, you know, safety, and in

going almost like, following. I almost feel like sometimes it's

magnetizing. But listen, a lot of the conversation today, I

feel it's like really listening into your truth. Yep. And

deciding on the outer what that is for you taking from this

conversation, what that is for you. And but just taking the

self honoring time every day, to sink in and appreciate yourself,

know that you have the wisdom and ask the inner questions

like, What do I think about this? How do I feel about it?

And just wait? Just give yourself some time?

Yeah, and I would even say like, what to spirit one, if

you have a spiritual, you know, if you have a connection to your

higher self or an Ask asking for that guidance every day and

listening for what comes through, and

not expecting it to make sense. You know, not in don't expect it

to be comfortable.

I agree with that. Yeah. I feel like we're

getting guidance all the time. And whether we're going to

accept, it's like dancing around us all the time, what we're

being called to step into, and it's old patterns that sometimes

keep us back. I see myself in my business all the time. There's

many things I do do, but I'll have like, so many ideas, but

then they don't get off the paper because of my my

resistance because of conditioning or where women's

places. So I really honor and I'm excited about the work that

you're stepping into and following that path that's

unfolding in front of you to bring the beauty and the

invitation to women. And so, you know, as we kind of finish up

here today, we we touched upon a lot of different things. Is

there anything else that you would like to add before we tell

listeners where to find you? It's gonna settle into that for

a moment if there's a little quiet on the other end, and

Marie's sinking into how she? What information is here for

her?

I think I think I mean, I always think my, my biggest

message is really trust yourself. That's the biggest

message that trust the guidance that comes within. And what I

think what I just said a minute ago, it's like, it won't always

make sense. It won't always feel comfortable. And it might be

really messy. And trust that too.

Yeah, that's really pretty. And it makes me

think that when we trust ourselves, and we put the

investment into trusting and creating safety within

ourselves, it's going to allow us to trust in those around us

and the decisions they make and the path they're on. Because we

can trust in ourselves.

Yeah, yeah. And if you can trust the messy,

uncomfortable stuff. And you can hold that for yourself, then

when you see it happening out there, in your children in your

significant other in your family system, in your workplace, you

know, that that too, is of service to some part of

awakening that is necessary for personal and collective

awakening. So it's really like, trust the mess.

Because it's messy.

Yeah, and it's here for a reason.

Yeah, I love that about you is that I, I know

that you bring a real humanity to who you are, and being able

to name that this whole perfection thing never was meant

to be never. It's it's

wrapped up in it, though. Maureen. was trying

really hard for perfection.

No, and then, yeah, then here we are with this

beautiful conversation. So where can the listeners find you? What

are the best places right now?

Best place is my website and Marie teressa.me. I

am on Instagram. And I'm really sporadic talk about messy and

consistent over there. I've been really posting but I may get

back to that. But those are the two places that you can find me

I'd love for anyone who wants to hang out a little bit more to

join my newsletter. You can do that on my website. And

yeah, well, thank you. I'll put that in the

show notes. And may your work exponential eyes and just expand

into the universe. And like we were saying before we started

just the perfect people coming to sit and be and have these new

conversations. Yeah, I'd

love that. Work. You say the word again for me.

They said exponential lies. Yeah, I

love that word. I was trying to spell it in my head as you said

it. Will the same for you. Thank you for inviting me to your

orbit. And yes,

yeah, thanks for being here. Thank you for

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