This week on Geek Force, the Squad dives into Marvel's nostalgic hit "X-Men '97" on Disney Plus! They unpack Charles Xavier's annoying characterization, the powerful scenes that tugged at their heartstrings, and all the exciting possibilities for season 2! Ray then takes the Squad on a final voyage through the last season of "Star Trek: Discovery" - a space drama at its finest! Wrapping things up, Marlin shares his insights on Abubakar Salim’s epic “Tales of Kenzera; Zhou." Find out why this is a game you can't miss!

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Hello and welcome to Geek Force, the show where pop culture rules all. I'm your host Kat. With me today we have the amazing G Squad of Marlon, Ray, and Emi. Welcome back you guys. So happy to see you all after 84 years. I missed y 'all. How is everything? How's it going in your neighborhoods? Not good. Okay, that was a big pause.

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Going. No, I'm sorry. I didn't hear Marlon's intros. I just heard silence. So I was confused what was happening. And I realized you guys were frozen. So I was like, is it I should I need to stop it? Like, I don't know what to do. So.

Mostly two thumbs up.

Marlin (01:07.793)

Well also, didn't we say that because we were going so long, we were just gonna start?

You

Right, right, right.

Yeah, but I didn't know how you were starting. So I was then there's like this really long pause and all I heard was nothing for like longer than usual.

Cat was gonna go, I thought Cat was gonna say, welcome to Geekforces.

It did freeze for a moment. It's really funny. I don't know if this section of the show is going to stay in or not. No, I don't mind that we could cut this section probably and just we just jump into how we're feeling again in a second.

Do we need to redo it?

No, no, we're keeping this thing, we're keeping this thing. Welcome back.

Hey, welcome back. If the tech is saying welcome back, you know, we're back in it. But amazing to see you guys. Yeah. We have a lot to talk about, but let's just jump right into it. I'm going to be biased for a second. 2024, you know, great stuff, great video games. But this show, I'm, this is my favorite show of 2024. I'm already going to say it.

Yeah, it's we are we are but things are good

Yep. Yep.

Okay?

What I'm talking about is Marvel's X -Men 97. It is a, I'm never gonna say a revival, it's a continuation of the original animated series of X -Men that was out in the 90s. Basically, if you saw the last season, however long ago, I'm not gonna out our ages, but however so long ago, this is the next season right after that last season. And with that, it continues the stories of our favorite mutants, of our favorite gang, as they are,

old.

going through more things coming up. And a lot of these problems are, I'm not gonna lie, it's a window to our reality, but it was amazing to see how they were doing in their situation and their reality. So I don't even know where to start. It's just 10 out of 10, we recommend. I'm not even gonna just say that. When we're like, shit listeners, watch. Yes, you should, done. But no, we're gonna...

life still better.

sun in podcasts. Roll credits.

Maybe we already have.

I full agree 10 out of 10.

Geek approved.

work. Yes, is Geek Force approved here? But I want to take the time to talk about it because there's so much from the show as far as just emotion writing, acting, music, characters, even the downside where characters were very problematic and stuff. But that's why we love them. That's why we're here to talk about them. So let's get into it.

True.

And also, let's talk about how impressed they even got on the shot of this, because that last season in the 90s was, because they kept moving it to like different studios to like cut the animation and got cheaper looking and cheaper looking. The fact that they said, listen, let's try it again and do it good was a real swing. And it was a grand slam because I think that last season was like they shot it and like, I think it was animated in the Philippines. So it didn't look great. It was just, it was real, real rough animation that like.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Why you got dis to Philippines, Marlon? Why you got a stupid thing that they can't do art in the Philippines? Why? Why? Why can't you pick somewhere in like bum fuck America that they did it in?

Hey, hey, it was they were like shooting this overseas. They can, they can, but they picked the cheapest studio for that last season of X -Men. They were like.

Hey!

Because they don't know how to draw in America, Amy. We're not talented enough.

Apparently they were like shopping around. You know what? Let's reframe. Let's reframe. Apparently no one wanted to work with them except for the Philippines through the last season maybe because they were shopping around and they're like, listen, hey, the fight scenes are going to look a little rough, but as long as you get this last couple of episodes out, that's all we care about right now.

Just saying.

Yeah, it was a little bit rushed to the point where I don't think I even saw the finale before. So some of the stuff, I had to actually go back.

You mean when Xavier leaves? Dies?

I remember seeing that and yeah, dies.

Yeah, I didn't see that. Like, I read that somewhere in my childhood, but I don't remember seeing most of the last chapter. Yeah, I never really saw that last season. Yeah, I think it was, yeah.

Yeah.

It wasn't a great last episode.

Cause it looked bad. Didn't look good.

It looked.

It looked, it also felt a bit rushed and also felt like kind of unsatisfying, like, all right, he's gonna leave now. And it's like, wait, are we gonna wrap this story up? And it's like, that's the end of X -Men, Russer Xavier.

So something I just looked up, because I was curious, I was like, where did this happen? The studio that was doing the animation for that show in season five, it went bankrupt.

Yeah

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Well, that explains a lot.

So the final six episodes, according to where I was looking, were done by Saban. And honestly, that does explain why it was A, a mess, and B, felt rushed, and then there was no more show. There was nothing they could do about it anymore. Whatever studio that was, barely hand -stitched together whatever that bad animation was to finish the c -

Explodes.

wow.

Hmm?

Huh. Interesting.

the show order, but I guess that was it.

Yikes.

Hey, and got revived and it did so much better.

apparent. Yeah, it does. I think one of the best one of the things that really makes a difference in this show is all of the writers, like, I know, well, the Maya was getting a lot of credit. That might have been because his name was kind of out there a lot. His name is right of credit on a lot of these episodes too. But like, this this season would have not been as amazing as it was without the writers, the writing team.

Thank goodness. Thank goodness.

It lives! It rises from the ashes.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For sure. Yeah.

Like it was just a slam dunk from them and everyone else hit the bar that they needed to to like make this story that they wrote like really come to screen and pop. And the animation looked pretty cool to say it was like that weird, like modern, let's try and mimic something from the past. but it looked really nice on the big, I don't know how, what, what resolution that TV screen I was watching it on was, but like it looked really good on there.

And they had the music playing the whole time throughout the episodes and going into it and it just yeah, it was just a solid hit. There was no way that it wasn't going to be any good. I'm actually it was so good. I don't part of me doesn't want to watch season two once it eventually exists because I'm just worried that it's not going to hit the same and. And which I feel bad because.

You

Same.

Yeah, yeah, that's a legitimate fear.

set so hot.

The storyline that it feels like they're about to go into in season 2 is a storyline that they didn't do ever. I don't think they've ever done an animation. And the one animation that was about to do it, I don't know, did y 'all watch Wolverine in the X -Men?

Mm -hmm.

Yes, yes.

Mm -hmm. Yeah.

That show got canceled after its first season. And the season two arc that it was about to go into was Age of Apocalypse, which is what it feels like we're gonna move into in this season is that. So I'm like, that's cool. I love that story, but is it gonna hit the same like this one did? Cause like, I don't know.

Yeah.

Yes.

Hmm.

you

Yeah.

I think if, cause they already wrote it like, didn't they kind of write it back to back almost? Cause it's already like halfway through production, right? So I'm assuming like, go ahead.

I don't know. I'm not sure.

Well, both said he did write most of season two. I don't know if he wrote the entirety of season two, but he wrote like basically almost the majority of it. The thing that he wasn't a part of is directing the supervising of the animation and the sound and stuff. He was hands -on on that for the first season. So he's like, you know, support it, but he doesn't know what it looks like, you know, as his final product. So the story might still have that same strong,

Right.

Right. Right.

Hmm, I see.

Okay.

Interesting.

It might.

just witty dialogue, but at the same time, I don't know, again, if people are changing it post and post to, you know, set up for season three. That's the only thing that I'm concerned about is when does it diverge from the planned story with season one and to the next seasons beyond.

Right.

I mean, it's gonna be great. I mean, you got Apocalypse, whose whole backstory, and I'm looking forward to the Egyptian lore, the Egyptian mutants, looking forward to that whole pantheon it's gonna bring into, are they gonna dip into Bast, are they gonna be able to kind of give us a whole Black Panther thing? Just, if they could do what they did in this season, in what, 10 episodes, if they did, just to make every episode an absolute banger, I'm excited. And they even,

Cat (09:34.384)

Yes.

Mm -hmm.

And even if he said episodes, they gave us, I think, like, what two episodes, no, no, they gave us one episode of filler, which was, I think, Jubilee's episode of like, hey, we're in a video game. And I was like, you have time for this. This is great. You have time to have some fun in the middle of this. And it was like so fun and engaging. That's an example of great writing and great pacing to know I have time. I don't have to like try to squeeze this in. I can just give Jubilee a full 30 minute or a block of time.

Jubilees episode.

and I can still have time to come back to the main story we can give them. So I'm excited to see what season two means. If we're gonna get something just like this to kind of fully flesh out all the mutants. But yeah, Agent Apocalypse is gonna be dope to check out. And also seeing the future with Cable, little baby Cable doing what he's doing.

Yes. Goodness. That's why I kept yelling, send him to therapy please.

Mm -hmm.

That boy has some therapy, needs some therapy.

It's a little baby cable.

So out of curiosity, no, they all need, they should go couples counseling for sure. That was bizarre. That was the most bizarre decision ever. What is wrong with this man?

The whole summer's family needs family, needs therapy. I'm not gonna say goodbye to my son. I was like, Scott, if you don't say goodbye to that baby, what do you mean you're not gonna say goodbye to him? You're making this worse, Scott. It's like, I can't do it. And I'm like, Scott, you won't say goodbye to him because your dad was bad to you? How does this fix itself? How does this spiritual trauma not?

Yes.

Ray (10:53.066)

He hit... It was there so he could grow.

making stronger. Remember, this is the 90s Marlin. The mindset then was different than now. Yeah. Then he's like, I was wrong. I was, yes, exactly. We were screaming at the screens saying that you were wrong. I'm glad you came to it later on in the season.

He had to... He had a whole character arc.

That's 97.

I mean

True.

And then we got the summer is BMW scene, which I guess was, which I guess made up for it. The summer's road trip fight scene. It's a BMW. Hell yeah, it is son.

You do.

haha

It was like a commercial.

Hehehehehe

I love it. I love the summer scenes. Like, we didn't get that a lot. Like, I don't think in any media I've never really enjoyed or see in that capacity where, you know, it's almost like they're Incredibles for a moment, where it's just the summers and they're together to fight crime. And they're the, like, they're the top of the top. Like, they are the best at what they do. So seeing them come together in that battle scene, kicking ass in the way that they know,

Hmm.

It was really sweet and I've never seen that in the X -Men universe.

Mm -hmm.

I had one question about that. One of those scenes that I don't think I understand, like some of the background on Jean's situation. So. The regular gene, the real gene. So when I don't know when she invokes the Phoenix Force. OK, my understanding from the cartoon back in the day.

Her or the Goblin Queen?

complicated that's for sure but what's your question?

Phoenix.

Hmm

was that the Phoenix Force left, physically left the scene. So, yeah, sorry. So we're already here, might as well go for it. So what?

Mm -hmm. Yep. You're not wrong.

I mean, you're getting to something that I was gonna bring up later, because it was a plot hole.

Please keep going. No, no, this is great. Yeah. Cause I think everyone had the exact same thought of life.

Let's go. Let's go.

Is it like a speed dial situation like like phone a friend like phone the Phoenix like I thought it was gone And I realized throughout time they do come like the Phoenix comes back and I get that that that's a thing in the comics and that's Probably still a thing I get that but in terms of the realm that we are currently in just the cartoon the Phoenix went away So what what what was that? Does anyone understand that? Okay

Thank you.

I think.

Always.

It did.

That was that was called plot. That was full plot armor. That was full plot armor. They were like, how can how can the summers family ever survived this? The Phoenix? Well, we're not gonna we're not gonna give a good definition of how it happened. We're gonna say she just tapped into it somehow. And she brought it back to life. And then just as fast as you brought it back to life. She's going to somehow willingly extinguish it from her body, as opposed to having the four episode arc around. I can't get rid of it.

Yes, it was that. I agree.

Fair. Fair.

Yeah.

We just broke up. Amicably.

Right.

I don't know how to...

Yeah.

Character art, again, character art. We saw it in the past, now, hey, that was the only thing I had to tell myself to keep going, because I was like, I have questions, but no, I'll ask them later, you know?

I guess.

Gotta move on, gotta keep going, gotta keep going.

Relax.

No, that was definitely, if I said I didn't think it was a perfect 10, it is because that last episode was a mess. And it wasn't bad, but like, there was that moment where it was just like, how do we solve this problem? The magical Phoenix force randomly appears and solves it for them. Thanks. There was another thing in that episode that didn't make any sense either.

Hmm.

And maybe it was once Bastion got up into the asteroid. There was something up there. Yeah. Like I said, there was, there was something there that I'm not remembering right now. Yeah.

where he got into his final form.

Yeah, his final form. He ripped Cable's arm off and I was like...

Yeah, he's like, I'm gonna generate a whole thing.

Wait, yeah, no, it was when Bastion just all of a sudden became suicidal. It was just like, great, I'm just gonna blow myself up with the ship because the nukes are coming and I won, I guess?

Yeah.

Yeah, there was there was something there that was weird like that. It was I don't think he did. I know.

He died. We don't know.

He died off camera, so he's probably still alive. He's one of those like, exactly. If you didn't see it on screen, it definitely didn't happen. Like Gambit, we saw that sad on screen and that hurt.

I don't think he died either. We don't see you die, you're not really dead.

I don't think he died.

We know Gambit died.

gosh, why are we gonna

He's not he's not dead forever either but

That... I... But that episode was a roller coaster.

I mean, they just gotta find the golden ball and then they have to find the guy who makes the golden balls and they gotta make Krakoa and then Remy is back. That's my hope is that they do Krakoa and Remy comes back. Cause that was so sad to see him go out.

He's dead for season one.

No, no apocalypse. I think there was a, I think one of the clues for what they're doing there is I know in the comic books, Gambit is eventually an Omega level mutant. And I, but I think it's through apocalypse is help and power. And so that's why another reason why I think age of apocalypse is coming is because in that story, I'm pretty sure Gambit was one of the horsemen.

Yep.

Yes.

Mm -hmm. Yep, it is.

I think you're right.

Interesting.

He was death. Yeah. Yeah.

And that was, I think he was death, right? Yeah.

That's the part because Morph turned into Archangel in the first episode when they were flying down, he turned into them. So I'm like, okay, so the age of apocalypse happened, because you have this metal winged person. So now we have to have like maybe a second iteration of him like getting that.

Yeah, yeah.

Whoa.

He -

I see what you're saying. They never did Archangel in the original five seasons?

Marlin (16:13.777)

They did, so they've done Age of Apocalypse before.

He was. Yeah.

Well, Archangel doesn't... Age of Apocalypse was an alternate timeline where like there's like a bunch of other people. Cyclops was even a horseman in that storyline. But Archangel has been in 6 .16 without the universe weirdness with Apocalypse.

Mm -hmm.

yeah, no. An animated series, I know they did it.

think from what I remember, I only remember because he did the whole thing about him having metal wings and it being like this big deal of like, apocalypse gave me the hookup and here's my like my new look now. So I think they touched on it, which is why when Morph did I'm like, cool. So Morph is letting us know that like what has happened. So we saw him, we saw old girl that could open up portals with her free arms. She appeared, we got the Hulk because we got to get some extra MCU people in there to kind of bolster the roster a bit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah, Fikie had a checklist of make sure these people appear and we'll pay you whatever you need.

Yep.

Woohoo!

So yeah, I think right we may get Remy back at his Omega level power maybe a brainwashed Remy and then maybe Rogue has to you know kiss him and be like hey I'm so sorry that I was not great this whole season just playing playing the both of y 'all and be like actually I have two boyfriends I have two boyfriends and they don't know about each other.

Hehehehe

That's scary.

But I'm terrified.

Uhhh...

That was sad. I mean, they knew. They knew. Gambit knew.

I mean they did. They definitely did.

The episode five was a lot.

I feel like Remy was like, I'm not gonna admit that I know, but like, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she's just friendly. Maybe she's nice to everybody.

No.

They were in the training room for how many hours? Doing what?

First of all, Morph was trying to break to him. He was like, shut up Morph. You're just, she just likes training. That's all. She's just training. And Morph's like, look at that. Rogan Magneto and Rogan Magneto. Rogan, they have a lot of training. And he's like, shut up. Leave me alone Morph. Morph shut up Morph. I'm going to go up and make some more beignets. Leave me alone Morph.

He's denying the truth!

Yeah, that was denial. He knew what was going on.

He knew what was going on. Doot doot doot doot.

He's like, tss, tss, tss.

I'm such an asshole for that.

I love morph.

hahahaha

Gosh, this is how you know this cartoon was just meant especially for our age group because again, yes, it's a cartoon. What outsiders, the masses will, it's a cartoon. Why are you crying? Look, this show was meant for us. We were the ones, we were that generation that watched the show either early in the morning or right after school. And we dedicated a lot of our time and energy into it to the, you know, this jumped us into the comics when we got a little older.

yeah.

reading all the comics for the past 20 years. And then to see the show still set in the 90s, but they're dealing with stuff that now as adults, we can identify by tone and certain words. It makes the show more real to me, at least for me. Like if I watched this as I was a kid, I would have been like, okay, they're together. So what, you know? But the fact that it's written in that way, it just makes it so much real entertaining. It gives me the tone of those comics.

The older I got, I got more into the comics. I was like, this is getting more adult than how I started from the show. So moments like that, I really appreciated the writing because it was like, haha, it's funny, but that's really messed up. Like really, what's going on between Remy and Rogue and Magneto? We know what that situation entails, but younger me would have not cared or not know.

Hmm?

Well, it honestly... You would have gotten it.

younger, you wouldn't have gotten this because this show was very like, no, you're right. It was written. It was written for us. Like they, there was, they didn't kill people in the first five seasons. They didn't, they didn't have. Yeah. They didn't have sexual overtones in the first five seasons. Like, yeah, like there, there was, yeah. So you, you're right. You wouldn't have caught this because it wouldn't have been there. Like that's, that is part of what this show did.

Multi -layered.

Mm, mm, mm, mm.

Yes, there was blood. There was blood!

They got blasted and laid down.

God, right?

People were in the bed. Like.

Right.

that I at least liked was they made it age appropriate to the people that they knew were the ones that were going to be drawn to it. They didn't try and still keep it very kid heavy. So.

Mm -mm.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah. And I think Ray, like it reminds me of our earliest conversation about Disney Plus, where I think we were all saying, is Disney Plus going to acknowledge that now that they are streaming platform and they're trying to get on FX, they're going to have to start tweaking some of their content to at least meet in the middle with the adults that are going to be looking to engage with what they're making. And I think with the show like X97, listen, like if we're doing the show, we know that the 90s

got away with shooting people and injuring people. If we're going to keep going and we want to age it up and we want to at least pull in these nostalgia people who have money now, we have to meet them where they're at, which is at least like a TV 14 type, you know, type show. And so the fact that it worked out as profitable, I think is a great sign that Disney is probably going to be leaning to leveling up some more of their content to at least listen like.

Mm -hmm.

the people are there, they're going to come for this. So we might have to start being like, Hey, we got the, we got the rated G stuff. And we also got that PG 13 even higher up stuff because the show pulled in numbers, like every episode across the board got like a crazy amount of great reviews, content push, like the merchandising alone was through the roof. I'm thinking that they're probably going to try to do something at the Disney parks now, try to figure out like,

Hey, can we like capitalize on this? Can we like start talking to Fox? Like, yo, can we like license some things out here? So the further success we see with this property, I think the more Dizzy's gonna have to like scrub that squeaky clean image down a bit. Like, listen, let's start throwing in some, you know, sexual overtone with Magneto and his Speedo across his Sex Christ outfit, where he's just, for some reason, Bastion has him stripped to the wall with his underwear on because.

You gotta have that. I was like, I was like, they don't trust him to have any metal on his body. Like we have to see everything on your back. We don't trust you at all.

I was like, kinky.

That was interesting.

I mean fair, that man would, yeah.

I got metal in my jockstrap. Ha ha, magnetism.

He would. But yeah.

I mean.

was really good. I'm also looking forward to seeing if they're gonna, you know, make good on all this teasing that they keep doing with morph and Wolverine. Is it gonna happen y 'all? You keep having morph meet Wolverine and be his like, historical best friend like, Hey, buddy, I see you're sad. Literally, he's like, Hey, I brought you a beer and some chips. He's like, leave me alone more. But it's like, Hey, that's like fight as saber to and the force that night. It's like, what is happening here? y 'all are getting

They were roommates. They were roommates.

Yeah!

these like alone scenes and he's like pining after you. The scene where he goes into the bathroom like, hey buddy. And it's like, y 'all, what is this?

That scene! Yeah.

Look.

Go for it Disney, I need to see this happen. They're so cute and Morph really likes Wolverine. So before he's like, listen, I'll turn to this woman for you. So in case you do die, you can at least hear her say, I love you. Even if we both know it's not true, but here we go.

Stop teasing me. Yeah. Mm -hmm.

That's true love. I'm sorry, that's true love. Like he could have just sat there and said, you know, you know, hold on buddy. No, he literally transformed into the one person Logan thinks about 24 seven to say the words to not only encourage him, but his true feelings. Like that was a two, it was a two second scene and it was deep as hell. And I was like, I knew it, but my gosh, it was shown on Disney. Yes, you know.

You

She can't say it, but I can. I love you. I love you, Logan.

Exactly!

exactly! And it's so cute too!

Gosh, I gasped so out loud when that happened. I was like, ooh, my gosh, he said it as the, my gosh, what does this mean, you know? Hope to see more, because the way it ended, those three, we do not know where they went. Storm, Morph, and Lorraine, we do not know where they landed or whatever. So either they're all gonna be together or they're gonna be close or separated. So that's another reason why I'm like, season two cannot come fast enough.

it's those two.

Hmm.

I'm hoping they're in the caveman age so we can see just primal cave Wolverine.

goodness. Well, he's going to go through his character art, too. He's back to his original form. Yeah. I screamed. I was like, they're doing the scene! Like.

Hehehehehe

Because again, because he doesn't have his adamantium anymore. So he's going to be perfect for that for that time era. it was good.

Yeah, that scene was... That scene was... oof.

Yeah, that was.

Yeah, literally every literally every time that happened there was the the moment I realized Gene was pregnant and I was like, no, they're doing that storyline and then The moment I think that we talked about this You'd they're in Genosha their skin it they're about to go over to Show them like the party that's happening and they start in the starlit sky. wait a second

X -Men Red Wedding.

Mm -hmm.

yep.

That's the watcher. Like, that's, well, I mean, as soon as they said the word Genosha, I knew that they could do this, but clearly they're about to do this. That's gonna be hard to watch. And it was. The children, man. But yeah, so, but yes, there was just, every time they did that, I was just like, no, they're doing this now too? This is, I can't believe how much death.

Yeah, something's about to pop off.

Hahaha!

children.

man.

the children.

they put in that show. So yeah, saying that all out again for the people that maybe I don't, I don't, would you say that this show was, if we were eight and 10 years old, like we were back in the day, was this, was this appropriate for an eight or 10 year old? Real fast. It was.

What?

not at all. This was not Saturday morning approved.

No.

No, not remotely. That's why it was for us! It wasn't for the heroes, it was for us!

They're not robots!

If they were robots, okay, sure. Yeah, that's what happens. But these were not robots? I would have been like, what?

No, there was a literal massacre in this show, so...

Yeah.

a full genocide happened in front of our eyes. As a kid, I'd probably be like, I can't go to school. Like I just watched for 10 minutes, mutants get eviscerated and I watched a small child ask Magneto, am I going to die? I mean, it was like not on my watch and the kid still dies. That was terrible.

Yeah, genocide.

I...

I don't feel well.

and the human's just not caring. It's very on par with the universe.

Yep.

Yeah, that part, I was in tea. It had been a moment where an episode had me like sobbing. I was just like, just the voice acting alone in the last two minutes, just, man, I went to work the next day. I was so sad, I was sad for the entire week. And I was like, I don't know what the next episode is gonna be like. I don't know what I need. It was so much to process.

So sad.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

in those next seven days until the next episode came on.

The lead up to like, I think that it's even like the road to that point, like they wanted us to see a different side of Magneto and they really let us see him be this like, Hey, I'm going to do Charles's thing. I'm going to personally oversee saving these mutants and being the spokesperson. So I'm going to get out there and make these prompts. They listen, I'll protect you very Charles ask, Hey young one, if you come with me, you'll be safe. Like really going out of his way.

Yes.

to do the nonviolent thing and to just like see him kind of go through all that being criticized by Scott, by America, the world, being put on trial, like seeing him like, I'm going to tow this line because someone told me I had to, and then to watch them just break him. Then it's like, great. When Homegrown said McNeedle was right, I felt that shit. I was like, yes, he was. He told y 'all in the other season.

Yeah, yeah, he was. He was.

this like church clap.

And he tried to fix it and he told y 'all again and you watch that man tell this little kid in German, it's going to be okay when he knew it wasn't. He knew it wasn't, but that was like, I have to at least lie to you because the reality is this is fucked. And once I get out of here, everybody going to die.

When he said enough, I screamed again when he was like, and the whole wave came. I lost my mind. I forgot why I was watching for a second. I was like, this is the... No, he is, he's up there.

He's an Omega level mutant too, or is he just like up there? Okay, I was gonna make sure. Thank you, thank you, because I was like, that's gotta be, he reversed polarity of a planet. I'm like, that's gotta be Omega level at least.

yes. No, he's Omega. He's...

If the X -Men didn't fix what they fixed, everyone was heading to the dark. There was no electricity. A lot of things were broken. A lot of people died that day. He killed a lot of people what he did. In spite of everything, he didn't care because he's like, the goal is this. That's what makes Charles doing what he had to do.

You... You... You... You... You... You... You... You... You... You... You... You...

Let's talk about Charles.

into his head and playing mind games. Yeah, I think it's time to talk about Charles. It was really important and it was like TikTok, you know? But yeah, let's get into Charles. Yeah.

because...

This asshole. This. Here's the thing. I think in the 90s, it maybe was a 90s thing, you know, we were watching, you know, the color of friendship and all these like very like, you know, hey, everybody violence is never the answer. And so he was perfect for that era of like, yeah, Professor X you tell Magneto that, hey, there's always a path to peace. You just got to wear a suit, pull up your pants, wear a belt and just shake people's hands and.

colour.

you'll get your freedom and you'll get your rights. And we're like, yeah, Magneto, you can't blow up a government building or free people who were illegally arrested to the first, you can't do that. Those are all bad things. And now we're all like, fuck everything Charles Gifford just said, because none of that worked. None of that was gonna get them any kind of rights, any kind of safety. Nothing he said amounted to anything that would actually make sense in the current world. And that's where I feel like we were able to kind of, I mean,

Be polite.

even the writing for him, it felt like everyone was like, he was wrong. Like, yes, like Scott was like, you're wrong. Every person around him was like, Charles, your viewpoint, it's just, it's dated. It doesn't make sense anymore. That's just.

I do feel like when we first see Charles, when Charles came back to the X -Men later on in the season and the way he even talked, the way he addresses and talks, it feels outdated, not outdated in the sense of our today, but outdated as far as these characters have already progressed so quickly that all the bullshit you're sprouting, it doesn't even affect them no more. Years ago, it would have encouraged them, so that's why even the last episode,

Heh heh.

You had a lot of nerve. Come to me, my X -Men. Like, asshole.

He's speaking in like a different tone. He's pleading, he's begging, he's saying the words to get anyone on his side now. I was like, Charles, you know the truth. You're a smart man. You're just thinking in your ideal. Like you're not different from the people who are against you. Like you're doing the exact same thing in a more passive aggressive way. And I don't know if he fully gets that, but I feel like he is, his tone kind of changed towards the end because of that, but also because the world's ending. So I don't know if he was just.

I would say what I've got to say for now, but tomorrow I'm going to go back on my bullshit. I don't know. But I noticed that type of dialogue change when he was speaking in those moments.

And neither of y 'all touched on my biggest problem with Charles Xavier, which was him, which was him literally mind -raping Magneto.

Which one?

Jumping in and...

You mean for a second time? You did the previous one too, with the Holocaust.

Yes. Yes. Just, just, just doing it. he, he, I mean, he did break his mind and then he, that he'd like sat there and was like, let me try and, if he's broken forever, I'll be broken forever with him. That dramatic bullshit. Get out of here. Xavier. We like, I like, I sure Magneto was trying to destroy the planet. This,

I feel like this is more than one time.

almost broke that man's mind.

Reverted, yeah.

That's true.

Mm -hmm.

Toxic X.

Like I get it. but like that, I almost would have rathered them kill him than what they actually did to him. Like he just, it was worse. and then I did he even real, he eventually remembered everything in the end, right? and, but, and then Xavier got lucky cause you know, they got, they got time traveled in that last moment. And so like, and now they're stuck.

was worse.

Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm. Yep.

Nukes runaway.

with each other because if I was Magneto and that didn't happen, I was about to fuck Xavier up. Like, where's my, no, where is my helmet? And I, yeah, no, they shouldn't be friends after this. He apologized, kind of. They repaired something in his mind, but I'd be done with him for a while after that. So I don't.

Right.

yeah. They can't be friends after this. They shouldn't be friends after this.

So yeah.

Yeah.

He is lucky that they are trapped in a time -displaced era together to be forced to figure out their friendship after this, because otherwise...

He's lucky.

You

I mean, yeah. No, I agree.

Yeah.

And also, like, again, this man left and was like, great, they don't need me. They'll be fine. That was his actual, he fully believed like, listen, I'm going to go off planet. I guess my work here is done. Like, did you, he was like, cool. I fixed it. I'm going to leave now. Hey, Magneto, you got it from here. Like you, you, you can't have, like, even if you were sick and needed to come back, that's one story. But for him to be like in that planet being like,

monologue!

My ex -man, they're taking care of things, you know? They're probably enjoying freedom.

He was I'm gonna I'm gonna chill here on this planet have sex with an alien. Yeah

Basically, he did this because he wanted to get some Marlin at the end of the day. It was sex. That was the motivator.

Yeah, he was retired. This man, this man thought it was cool enough to retire. He's like, you know what, I'm good. I'm gonna retire and have sex with my little alien queen, my little my little bird alien. I'm going to retire from civil rights because I've solved it apparently.

You

That's over, right?

She also sucked. Lil 'Andra? She was not great. I cannot believe she said yes to all those things.

The balls on this man would be like, they don't need me anymore. My ex -man got it. no, he was a pet.

I mean, yeah, she's not great.

Gosh.

Look, I was on her sister's side when she said the Milky Way was ghetto. I was like, she's right. I think she's the one we should be listening to. Yes. Like everything she said, she wasn't wrong. That's what Charles was trying to do. And he was just going to be like, well, let me, let me sit you down sister girl and tell you about some, the history and how your ignorance is blinding. It's like, no, let's not do this. it would have been embarrassing, but then, you know, he had that little vision.

That backwater planet.

back water.

which stopped everything. I'm like, like.

Well, I think that goes to show his like, I think that that whole scene goes to show his like savior compass. Like, like, listen, I'm gonna, I'm gonna educate you aliens on peace. And it's like, are you, are you for real right now? You're going to educate a whole other alien species on peace. Like everything back at home is good. Like you just left a full like, like he just left an entire utopia like great. It's good. So let me educate y 'all what peace looks like. Hey, racism bad.

Yeah, for real.

Yes. This is the most tone deaf thing.

Hahaha!

That guy.

and bitch slapping them with erasers? Yeah.

And on my planet, my X -Men, we saw all that. Wait, my X -Men! no! I got it!

We good.

Yeah, I couldn't understand like that part of like him not knowing until he like really thought about them, which I guess makes sense, but also doesn't make sense to me that that was the reason why he found everything out. Like. Yeah, like.

That one also felt like plot. It also like reminded me of like a Star Wars, like, there was a great disturbance in the forest. He was like, so many mutants lives flash. And it was exactly.

Stirrups in the Force.

Mm -hmm, mm -hmm, agreed, agreed.

Yeah.

I mean, he's also an Omega too, right?

just called out to me in this moment.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, he's an Omega. He's an Omega.

I think, wait, let me see. I know Jean Grey is.

If so, yeah. Yeah, you should.

I mean, he's very godlike, especially once they showed a little bit more of some of the stuff that he could do with Cerebro in Kukuroa timeline. He's very godlike. So I can imagine him being on another planet and being able to hear Earth's minds in some way just because he's fucking broken. But also, he's the worst. So.

He could turn things off, probably.

Hmm.

Yes, the worst.

He could go again for all IA. If I had my way, he'd be out. I remember that time in comics after Cyclops lost himself some because of the phoenix and he killed Xavier and I think I was one of the only people who was...

He's not.

Mmm.

still on Scott's side after that process. I was like, this guy sucks. I know he did this accidentally. I know he wasn't trying to do this on purpose, but like, did Scott really mess up? He needed to go.

I'm gonna go to bed.

Hahaha!

I was like, well.

Not that I'm older, no, he was right. He was right. Scott was right.

Also, fun fact, Charles Xavier is an Alpha Level 1 telepath. He is not an Omega Level mutant.

course. He's not an out omega, he's alpha.

Really?

which makes him getting that Jedi thing even more confusing.

Yeah it is. That was actually the Phoenix, is what I'm gonna just assume at this point.

Hmm.

You

She was connecting. Yeah, she was busy in the whole season. We just didn't know. my goodness. Yeah, Charles.

Yeah, it was just off screen the whole time.

Cheers, Paul and Wade.

for the rest of the show.

no man. It's so much to be said but then at the same time I'm like, season two will have, like he'll be on the, like at least almost every episode of season two so to see if he is ever going to not change per se but at least address things differently is gonna be interesting knowing that we're in the past, I have to deal with Magneto.

Because you know Magneto is the only person he loves more than anything. Let's get this straight. Yes, he loves X -Men. He loves his children. He loves, but it's Magneto. Because why would you do that?

He could fool me that he loves Magneto more than anything else.

No, you don't do that to someone.

No, no, it's true. It's because again, Xavier, Xavier doesn't know what love is. And he thinks, remember, he has a savior complex. He thinks love is controlling in a way where I can make things better for you. This is how I show you my love. That is not love, Xavier. Like you leaving your, your, your children and you know, hands off all those years and then coming back and be like, so how can I help after everything that's gone wrong was your fault? Like, you know, like.

So to see his progress, if you want to call it, in season two, it's gonna be interesting, because I'm gonna be like, no, no, no, the whole time. I don't really listen.

Well, my hope is that we wind up getting a Charles Xavier that we got in this like,

I think keep going.

we wound up getting a Charles Zerua that we got in this most recent, is it in Cracow where he's like, listen, we're gonna have our own government and the government of the world is just gonna have to deal with it. Like either you're with us or you're against us and it doesn't behoove you to be against us. My hope is that he, season two is Magneto and him having the philosophical dialogue and then being like, listen, you've been gone for a lot. This whole path of like we're in the past.

It's still the same. People are treated the same treated badly and it has, it won't progress ever unless they're some of the strong force makes it be changed. So you, if we go to the future art of our present time, what about this is going to be different? What about what you do is going to change anything. You say that what I do is bad and what you do doesn't work either. So either we meet in the middle or we keep button heads again, because there has to be a singular way to fix it. So I think I'm hoping that we get that.

Xavier with the X helmet is like, yo, we're going to band together all these mutants and we're going to make Krakoa and we're going to make the world recognize us and defend ourselves by any means necessary.

It will hopefully be like that. I also had a piece discussing it with my friends when we watched the show of like why he, where is he coming from with all this crazy power complex from him? It's compared to Magneto, as you know, like Magneto, how he grew up. Basically, the end of the day, I said, Xavier hasn't had enough trauma in his life. He has had more of a, more,

Go.

He's privileged.

Yeah, he's privileged, he's coming from a place of entitlement. He hasn't been hurt enough to understand what everyone's been struggling with and trying to deal with. Magneto is on the extreme opposite end where everything has gone wrong for this guy and he's so angry and he's justified to be angry, but it's his actions to handle that. Like some stuff I'm like, again, he's one of those villains where I'm like, he ain't wrong, but at the same time, destruction, you know? So.

Yes.

Yeah.

for Xavier to still have that mindset into season two of like, well, if they just know how to do this and that, it will be, no, like I need someone to slap him and be like, it's not gonna work. Like you need to just stop that. You're back here and this is how it's gonna go. I don't know if that's gonna have to be Magneto or someone else. It might have to be Rogue, but that whole, we haven't even got to Rogue, but I need someone to do that because to me that should be,

wrong.

be said out loud, at least to Xavier, for him to be like, okay, maybe I have messed up. So maybe I could do something about it. I don't know. But I had to say that where I was like, the mansion.

I mean, he grew up in a mansion. He grew up in a mansion with butlers and his dad was like a nuclear physicist. Like he grew up with like a silver spoon in his mouth and is telling every other mutant, listen, you just gotta, you just gotta toe the line. You just gotta pull yourself by your bootstraps, work hard, go to school.

For real.

Yes.

Work hard.

Yes!

Xavier is not saying any of those things if I slightly defend that man. He's just preaching nonviolence and that we can live in harmony. That's all.

Yeah.

You

That's true. He's a bait.

The other thing that pissed me off was when it was like what six hours to the end of the world and he's gonna calmly walk into the president's office and be like sir we can stop Magneto give me time. Meanwhile everything's gonna die in six hours. I'm like you need to like get into who is doing all the backstabbing in the government because someone in the government is pulling strings for all this to accelerate and bash inside but no we want to talk about Magneto.

And I was like, see, this is how I know this is a very entitled man, because you're like, this gives me more case to fix Magneto, and then everyone will like me and everything will be fine, when the problem's literally in front of your face. It's the government, AKA the American government, and you can use your powers and figure out who's actually doing the bullshit. But you know, because Xavier is that, I come from that area, I'm gonna...

fix it the best way I know. And I think to me, that's why I was so angry at Charles at that point, but that's before he even jumped Magneto. I was just like, can't stand that man.

Well, I mean, he had help because apparently Captain America during a threat to the planet goes to hang out with the president. I'm like, Captain America, are you really just protecting the president in an underground bunker? Does he really need you there? I hate it. I hate it so much. It was him and Iron Man. I was like, y 'all, this is why, like, what's going on here? Y 'all are just full on cop mode like we got to the president. We're like,

The cop.

Covia Accords.

Yeah. I hate it too!

They made the Sokovia chords.

I hate y 'all.

Peter's out on these streets. Right.

We could be out there with the Avengers. We could be out there with the Avengers trying to also help with this event. But no, no, no. We gotta protect this man under 10 acres of just underground bunker to make sure that he stays alive.

I was so mad when I saw that too. I was like, you freaking c -

But I also feel like it was, I think, a point because, I mean, I think fans widely know that the X -Men are very much like, yo, we are like the large minority group. We're like, we're pretty much anti -police and the Avengers tend to be like, we're the world cops. So we're kind of on this side of the political spectrum. The X -Men are on this side. So we're not really like, we have some overlap, but we really come into butt heads when it's about like.

Right.

governmental involvement.

Yep, I agree. And I think that's why it's so interesting, the rogue and Captain America scene, I think was just...

She chucked his shield and I felt so much more respect for her at that moment. Just fuck the shield.

I was like, I love Rogue, but now I love her even more, if that was even possible. Because...

Hehehehehe

Because you know it took him forever to find that goddamn shoe.

He had to call Tony like hey Tony do you have Do you do you have an answer man to you metal detector cuz I Think that's the only way I'm finding this

Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Is there a tracker on it?

Who totally did?

And you know Tony gave him shit like, Hey, Rodgers, what, what, what happened, buddy? It's like, nothing. I just, I just misplaced it. How'd you misplace it? It's just, I was, I was doing something. Okay, Tony, it's like 4 ,000 miles away from you. What happened? It was like, nothing.

I'm going to go to bed.

Yeah, it is a mile deep into a mountain. How did it get there?

Yeah

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

I want that scene played out. That's what I want to see. God, but no, it's great. It's it's back. X -Men is back. The revival is back. I'm excited for it. Like they have so much more content. I mean, the X -Men comics have been so much more. I've been super enjoyable from House of to Krakoa. Like I'm wondering if they're just going to do season two and we can get more. I mean, I don't want to get, you know, I don't want them to.

pull like an MCU and like start throwing out more and more, but like, if they can kind of keep it consistent, I wouldn't mind seeing more of this.

Right.

Yeah. Now my question to you is, do you still want a live action movie, movies from the MCU?

No, I mean, there's just so much. First of all, they haven't even finished. They're on their third Blade director. I don't want anything.

It's coming. It's coming.

It's coming though.

Doesn't matter, it's still coming.

conversation we gotta have.

Mahershala Mahershala's lawyer is so pissed. And so is his agent like, they promised us a movie and it's been like, almost 10 years we have had nothing. So listen, it's been it's been like maybe like five years. I don't know. It's been a minute. He's been like, teased. He has a game of baseball cap. They gave him a teaser and one of the turtles and they have his show for it. All that to say.

It's almost been 10 years. Yeah.

Captain.

He showed up in the internals, yeah, the voiceover.

I don't need a live action of any of this. I don't need live action of any of this if it means that I get 10 episodes that look like this. I'd much rather 10 episodes of good stuff versus 10 movies that are mediocre to poor in quality. I don't need that.

I agree.

Hehehehehe

And for me to go off for two hours and Amy's here like, so Amy, did you see the dark fetus? Just talk about it for two hours. I still haven't recovered. I don't want to live like that for the rest of my life. I think we should just have the animated series and let it be. Let's not go live, but greed is greed. It's coming regardless, but I'm my energy will be for the animated series at least.

No, we don't need it.

Perfect.

It will. It will.

My energy and my eyeballs will be for the animated series. I'm not watching any of these Disney Plus live actions. I'm done.

Yes.

I will not stomach a third dark phoenix thing. Please God. Please God, no.

Yes.

Exactly.

Another revival? God is gracious.

Goodness!

Goodness.

Yeah, I also do want to know more about that storm scene because I had to watch it so twice because I was like, so is this out because I was like, is this thing real? So like, is this real? Like, I'm trying to figure like, no, because it's hitting him too. So but but then like, but then like, he's but then he got hurt. So I'm like, so are they both depressed and it's hitting just them two? And I was like,

The adversary?

Yeah, that did just kind of fall.

Yeah.

It's depression, that's all. It's manifested depression.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, remember, they're dating, so they're entering into that part of their relationship where they're exposing stuff that's uncomfortable for both, knowing how Forge's background conflicts with Storm's views, especially now, so she didn't have powers. So I feel like being connected like that, and this is me making stuff up for me to rationalize to continue the show, I feel like that's why he got hurt, because he's a part of her now that they're each other's lives. Even though, you know, right before, what were they doing? Exchanging histories, and she was slapping him because of...

Mm -hmm.

Hehehehehe

the work he did that eventually led up to the problems of this season. So that was what I was thinking. I mean, Storm always have these under press episodes. I think this was one of the better ones, maybe because of the animation. But back in the day, she would just fake and cry. And I would be like, come on, girl, you can do it. This one, she was like, I'm a big girl. I'm going to go through it. And then look, I look better than ever. And I'm like, exactly.

Damn, Storm has these depressed episodes.

Yeah.

And big girls don't cry.

Hey girls don't cry. Exactly. That was how I rationalized.

It's fine. I would just, it's just, it's just the adversary came out of nowhere. And I was like, are we ever going to get an explanation? No, we're not. Okay. I guess we're moving on it. But I was like, are we doing a whole record? Because I mean, I'm into it. I love this like scary owl creature that came out of literally nowhere. But I was very much like, so real. Not real. Did y 'all smoke something? Like, is this like a full like initiation thing? It was a night. Yeah. Is this like an ayahuasca trip? Either way. Love the design.

I've been using, yeah.

It was really cool.

I'm gonna go.

It was the nineties. Yeah. What, what were I saying? They're in the desert. There was something in that one. It was something in that line that they had.

Ayahuasca.

Mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm. They're having a moment. Just let them have their moment.

Now in a moment.

cello is down the street.

Yep, yep, yep, yep. And she had to get.

Yes, I've even been called my depression the adversary now. I'm like, the adversaries here.

Not enough water.

Yeah, I mean, it did give us and it really helped. And they give us you know, storms is like sailor moon moment of like, I'm gonna wear a brand new outfit. And I was like, what the fuck? Okay. I like the other one too. Just

probably healthy.

I'm gonna go to bed.

Yes, because she's a magical girl. Yes, we need that. I love that.

shoo shoo shoo shoo

I was down for that part. I was very down for that part too.

I'm going to go to sleep.

favorite costume and she wore it in the animated series? I was yes, I love that. That was so amazing.

The yeah the the thigh high to bikini bottom to arms

Yep, SpongeBob and all.

Yes! Yes!

Give me that. I had a poster of that outfit at a time. Yeah, she's barely, I'll be like, yeah, she's barely wearing any clothes, but like also it's Storm. She's awesome. She's a goddess.

God is gracious.

SpongeBob and all.

I had the poster too!

UGH

You

Hey, it's Storm.

It's Storm.

She is a goddess. Well, it's because Magneto, it's because Magneto didn't want anybody to forget it. Every scene, Storm, the goddess. That was her full title and every song to her, Storm, the goddess. I have a question for you.

That was said so many times that I was like, okay, okay, we know, but you can say it, I guess.

Yeah, that was why I said it now too.

Yeah, even Magneto!

Yeah.

Even Forge, Forge was like, she's just doing her goddess things, you know? I was like, gosh. And then later on she's like, and that's what I do. I was like, I mean, yeah, exactly.

Heheheheh

Well, she does.

But yeah, season two, looking forward to it.

I think I mentioned this in the chat, but if you, I don't know if you guys checked out the documentary, the assembled making of the animated of X -Men 97, it is, I highly, highly recommend it because it made me feel closer to the show of what they went through to not only put out the first show back in the 90s, but also the show of today. And it's so fascinating. The cast is so diverse, like,

Mm, not yet, no.

of all walks of life came together to write the original X -Men show. They wanted to make an X -Men show back in the 80s, but the executives were like, nobody wants to watch this, nobody wants to watch this until like, I think I want to say it was, it might have been Batman or something that people were like, people will sit down and watch episodic shows on the superhero, like an animated show. Okay, maybe we can do a first season. And it started off so,

Simple where they got these two TV writers who are really good at character plot, but they didn't know X -Men. And so they hired this one guy who was, he is still the ultimate X -Men fan. Like he's been there since the beginning, since he was a kid that grew up in like the 70s. So in the 90s, he was like, I know all this. So they all worked together to write that amazing first season script. And then they brought in all the animators and stuff to draw. And...

The music was, so there was this one guy, see, I really need this to be on during Black History Month, because I didn't realize there were so many like, black people behind the scenes that created all the things that we love. Like that music, the guy who animated the intro, he did it over a weekend. Like he was like, I got to do this, animated it. And it was two minutes and they cut it down to like, I think a minute and 30 seconds. And that is what we have today since.

since now and he was like, yeah, I did over a weekend. And I was like, what the heck? They brought the best of the best people in that show. And even though as far as Disney, Marvel, executive, like totally messed them up with like money and firing them and stuff, the fact that they came back to do the animated series and worked with these younger directors and supervisors and writers to continue this legacy, bringing back the voice actors.

Like it was a big thing. A lot of people were so happy and got to buddy up and hang out with each other again. And I got so emotional because it was just so happy to see these people in business for over 40 years. Still about this fandom. The voice actors were like, this is still my favorite role out of my 50, you know, 50 year career. And I'm just like, I'm so happy that this came together, you know? So I highly recommend watching it. I haven't really watched those assembled shows, but that one was.

That was a perfect documentary to accompany me after finishing X -Men 97.

Okay, I'll give it a watch.

Well, we said it at the beginning, but Geek Force approved. Go watch X -Men 97 if you haven't. Even if you just liked X -Men that one time when Wolverine was trying to save that little girl, you will almost definitely like... It was a Logan reference, I guess. But you'll almost definitely watch...

Yes.

Check it out.

You

at one time.

I was like, does it really?

and really enjoy X -Mas 97. It's really... You don't even need to see those old shows. They cut right into what they needed to do and explained a little bit that they wanted to explain and it was still very good. So go watch it.

Yes, go watch it. Yeah. So now, have fun in our comic book world. We're going to take it back to sci -fi to one of our favorite other shows, Star Trek, Star Trek Discovery. This is their last season that just passed. I think, Rae, you have at least the full coverage of how you felt about it.

Check it out.

Yeah, I watched it all. You Star Trek fans not watching Star Trek. It was two things. It was good. I enjoyed it. It was still CW Star Trek. It wasn't anything different from that. That was still there. The storyline this season almost like...

Was it good?

I know. I feel bad.

Okay.

gives you Indiana Jones vibes where they're off on a quest trying to find something throughout the whole season. And more or less every episode is on that premise of, hey, we're going to work through the next clue that we found on this new planet until we can find the next clue. And it's one of those anime quest seasons, basically.

Right?

Which, which was good. Like it got it out of like, it got it away from having to really worry about much of the world politics that they have done in the past. That was just kind of okay. they didn't really have to do like, they didn't have to do anything that lived in the old consequences of all the rest of the weird nonsense that was this show that much. Like it just, they were on a quest. yeah, the burn and some of these other things that they, and whatever.

Like the burn.

DMZ stuff. The only person who was still dealing with consequences was Book, but he... rightfully so, yeah. So, yeah, he did. So, you know, he's making his amends. I think one of my favorite parts was one of the few new characters that they added. They got a new... she has a new...

Mm, mm, rightfully so. He did fuck up last season, epically, epically.

second in command this season because Saru is off on his own little side quests and so she has a new first officer who's grumpy and it's honestly very good and I can't think of names the actor's name who plays him but we've seen him in stuff for years in these sci -fi shows I'll have to look it up yeah

Mmm. Mmm.

The new character?

Okay, now I wanna look at it.

Yeah, I, he's Commander something. Commander Rainer. Yeah. What's his name?

the white dude?

I don't know.

Callum Keith Rinne. That's his name. I don't know if y 'all know who that is, but because if I didn't know wouldn't have guessed that name. But as soon as you see his face, you'll be like, yeah, I know this guy. And he's he's very good. And yeah, till he's in it for most of the season. They bring her back because it's the last one that and two of the bridge crew.

Yeah, okay.

That's the name right there.

have to look out the space. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thanks for watching!

the two of the bridge crew couldn't make it this season. It was weird that they weren't in it for like most of the show. And then they'd like made up a reason halfway through for them to like not be on the ship. And then I read something later on that was like, yeah, they were busy with some other project when they were trying to film this and they just couldn't, they couldn't film very much. They got to come back for that. Like they filmed this whole season. Then we're told it was going to be the last season and they let them come back and like.

Whoa.

interesting.

film an epilogue basically at the end for the last episode and that was nice but yeah good season still see still cw star trek i don't think i want to go into a lot of spoilers on what plot of the show is unless y 'all have questions but i've said enough

Mmm.

I do, because I have one question. So I know it harkens back to an old episode of the episode from when Picard finds some artifact. And I know it has to do with that. Do you think that was a good move to kind of connect old and new Trek? Or does it get another like, nice try, but no.

Yes.

I don't think they tried to.

I don't think, like yes and no, because there was definitely, because of that, there was more reference to, because they're following clues left by a team of people. And the team of people that they're following the clues from are from that same TNG set of timeline. And so there's a couple of other references that they do there. I don't think it tries to be.

very referential to anything other than like they do a little bit. It gives them some reasons to like end up at Trill and find something else that's kind of old and no one's really heard about the Breen for a long time. So like the Breen may play a major part. Yeah, yeah. Like you actually see Breens, they take off their helmets. I don't know if that's something that I've, if I would have...

Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

I see. Okay.

Yeah, I heard about that. They brought the brain. Fascinating. Yeah, I heard about that too.

pictured brains looking like this, but you know, they've, the discovery has, has done weird with Klingons in the past. So I don't know if this will, if they'll decide to change what brains look like after this, but, yeah, I wasn't mad at their use of that. It just, it, it, it told the story that they, that they were trying to tell. and I don't think it did it. I don't think it, what's a brain?

This is true. This is true.

so green.

Green.

No, I'm saying they're just so green looking.

They are.

I guess my last question for you is like, do you feel like this is the end of this series? Like, are they going to do spin -offs of this? Do you think the characters are like being prepped to like do their own little thing? Okay.

yeah, well, it's... Well, they are doing a spinoff. They've announced a spinoff.

Michelle Yeoh, right? Is that a movie or a TV show?

No, that's, that's one of the two spinoffs that they've announced. That's a movie now, but that's taking place not in this timeline. Cause you remember they're in the 32nd century. that's taking place somewhere back closer to TNG timeline, I think. and I'm excited for that mostly cause the cast looks really good for that, whether it's going to be bad or not, we'll see. But I, I'm just excited for that cast.

No, that's different. That's that's a movie, isn't it? Yeah, OK, yeah.

Okay, I'm looking forward to that.

Of course. Naturally.

Okay.

Yes, yes.

And then the other thing they've announced is that we'll see if it still happens. They call it Starfleet Academy and it's supposed to star Tilly and others as she's teaching at Starfleet Academy in that 32nd century time.

Hmm. Hmm.

Okay. wow. That'll be interesting. Wait, she's the star of that show or she's just like one of the ensembles?

Yeah, it will be. At least I think she's supposed to be in it.

Is this gonna be another CW drama or is this gonna be more of like regular Star Trek stuff? Because if it's Academy, it sounds like young people getting into things again.

The CW word just keeps throwing around so easily.

I'm going to go ahead and close the video.

Because...

Yeah. And that's where I'm like, it actually might be more CW style. but w when it's not based on a ship trying to tell us that it's a Star Trek show and it's trying to tell us that something different because it is a school, like it's a school story. Like that, it might fit better there. Honestly, it might still be bad. Also we will see. cause Star Trek doesn't have the

But at the same time, yeah.

Mm -hmm. Right. Right.

We will see.

They don't have a spotless record right now either. I think the other thing that I'll say about this is that with all of these Star Trek shows, they've really complicated the timeline of Star Trek.

Yes, thank you for saying that loud.

Well, that's what we're known for, isn't it?

Yeah. Like, but at least like old school Trek was at least like always like the next, like it was, there was one more or less one show on at a time. There was a couple of overlaps, but for the most part, there was one show on at a time and it was always like for also for the most part, the next show in the timeline. And maybe there were somewhere else in the universe, but there was at least like going forward.

Mm -hmm.

except for enterprise, which went back a lot. But because of this, because of the show ending, I've actually finally turned on it enterprise. And that's, that's been, that's been funny. I actually don't think I actually think I like it more than I thought I would. I don't think it's, I don't think it's the best. cause it's still partially cause it's not CW trick partially. And because.

Nice. Nice.

Really?

Can you explain why?

True, true.

Okay, fair. Yeah, it's UPN track.

Yeah, it's UP Intrek. Definitely. yeah. Yeah, it is where it came from. Yeah. And I like, and you can see it, like the, the special effects are, the special effects are low budget. That's for sure. But I think I, the actors are doing a fine job of making this, making it feel at home in this universe.

Hey, I miss UPN. I like that UPN tone. Yeah, that drama, the tone. I miss those things.

B .A.

But that's where it came from!

It was you paying until they didn't need us anymore.

Mmm, okay, okay.

Interesting.

And I love the, I love the guy who's playing the doctor on there. I think John Billingsley is his name. something like that. So like, I'm a little, I'm a little biased just cause I like that actor a lot. and honestly, some of the storylines, it's still, it's still old school Trek where like every other episode, you're kind of like, eh, this one was just all right.

Mmm.

Mm. Mm.

And then you get a good sci -fi episode. They're like, okay, this is why I'm watching this show. And I still, I can think of a couple of enterprise in these first like 10, 11 episodes I've watched. And I was like, I was actually pretty good sci -fi. I, I just, the show got a lot of rep, bad rep, but it has okay episodes. It was probably just less of them than the next generation DSpace nine Voyager ones, but we'll see. I'm only a couple of episodes in.

Hahaha.

I've heard a lot on like the the Facebook groups that the theme song is really annoying.

yeah, it is really first time I listened to that first on a theme song started. It's you. So you've you've watched the Star Trek Next Generation theme song. Hold on. Before you listen to this one, let me preface with a good you've heard all these old school theme songs like it's high orchestral, like it's Star Wars kind of feel, you know, like it's big. Yeah, it is. It is none of that.

gotta hear it now.

Well, check it out.

Ugh.

Okay, okay.

Yep, yep.

Yeah. Orchestral. Yeah.

It is none of that! It's full nope!

It is none of that. It is like, hey, do you like yacht rock? It reminds me of that. So no, no, Star Trek Enterprise. Star Trek Enterprise. Discovery does have an orchestral opening that actually fits.

I'm gonna...

I'm gonna look at right now Star Trek Discovery main theme.

my god.

You just made...

Enterprise, okay, Star Trek.

Not discovery, not discovery. Yeah, they do. It's not as...

wait, i gotta see this live reaction

I think it's...

We're, but as we, wrap up this section, do I think you should watch it? have, if you've watched the rest of discovery, I think you'll like this ending. it, like I said, it's not, yeah, it's not, it's still CW Trek, but I think if you, if you, if you got through the rest of discovery, I think you will be at least happy with how they treat most of the characters in the, yeah, basically.

Okay, okay, that makes me feel good. There, it's array approved.

Yeah. If you survive the burn, you can survive anything, really.

Hahaha!

Yeah. So.

Marlon already listening to it. I can't tell if he's playing it or not. I guess he is now. I don't know.

decide if you can cut it after I wrapped I suppose. Are you yeah he is listening to it I'm pretty sure.

Why is he?

Eming (01:08:25.794)

Does the trash panda approve?

If he says no, I'll be late.

You haven't seen any enterprising me?

I so long story short Min knows I don't want to watch it and so he's like we should watch this Enterprise and I'm like, I don't want to so he just keeps bringing it up that I should watch it and I haven't seen it

Why did they do this? Why did they choose this? Why? Why did they want it?

Hehehehehe

If you if men if men ever wears you down I could give you a couple first season one episodes where you really don't need to watch the pilot to like Get what's going on and you'll just see some sci -fi

Okay.

Okay, yeah, if you can give me a list of things I should watch, I will, but I'm not gonna sit through a whole, like, full season of this, like, which is not, not likely. But I'll do it because he's been acting this whole time.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marla, did you just rewind to hear whatever you just heard again?

I have to.

Sorry, am I too loud? Sorry.

I'm sorry.

I have to, cause I have to be wrong. Like this, this, this, this.

No, that's the opening. No, Marlon, that's the opening. You found the right opening. That's the reaction you're supposed to have. If I give you the premise of this show, Marlon, yeah, why is there singing? Yeah, why is there singing is the best question. But if I give you the premise of this show, this is the first real star like...

Wrong in what way? Wrong yay? Wrong meh.

Why is this man singing? Why is there a human being?

That's it! That's what I've been hearing in those chat boards!

I'm crying.

Starfleet Starship to go off planet earth. so like it's pre federation, it's pre the first episode, they're like meeting a Klingon for the first time. Like it is really early in the Star Trek universe. So I think that was what they were going for. There was like, plus they, it was, it's very low budget comparatively to other Star Treks. Like I, I would bet they were like, can we pay a whole orchestra to do this?

Marlon, are you okay? I think you broke him, Ray. I think you broke him.

Or should we just get my cousin Jim who could write a Yacht Rock song and...

His brain, his ears and brain.

trying because what Raymond's saying, and I'm trying to justify it in my head of like, why someone picked this, I'm trying to figure out artistically what what just because Raymond's painted me a great picture. Like, it's it's a prequel, like they had their meetings for the first time. And they chose to have it's been a long road to get from there to see like, that's what you wanted to be. They're meeting aliens for the first time. And you got them in space.

drugs.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah

You

You make it sound like a Creed song when you sing it.

It basically is. I'm giving it to you now. But you have to watch, you have to at least watch this, even. You don't have to watch any episode of this show. You have to at least watch 20 seconds of this theme song.

driving to divorce dad rock. What's happening?

You

Divorce them? Yes, exactly.

Shit.

No, I don't!

And mind you, I'm gonna put a check, because mind you, I'm literally just looking at the whitest of white men on this cover screen.

Archer?

yeah, it's a lot of white people. There's a black guy in the show though.

It's just, it's just, it's just like, I'll put it in our group chat, but the thumbnail is just the whitest man on it. Like if you go to Facebook, it's just, that's what you see when I type it.

Somewhere?

I think there is. Is he?

No, he's on the... he's on the bridge.

I don't want to even watch this at all.

This isn't Star Trek.

theme from Enterprise.

Eming (01:11:36.866)

It was, it was, they were just so tired after Voyager, they just made this. That's what it is. They were just tired after Voyager. They were tired. They were burnt out.

I think I'm going to give you this, this opening. Yeah, they were tired, but it like, but it's still, it's a lot of the same people. So like, that's where it gets kind of funky of just like, if I.

It's such a bad idea.

When did this come out? Does anyone know the year, the premiere year?

Voyager was weird too, so...

It was right after... Right after Voyager.

It was Raptor Voyager, I believe.

See, here's the thing. I don't want to harp on it too much. I feel like... I feel like...

Hmm.

Harp, harp, harp all the way!

2001, which that's around when Voyager ended. Yeah.

Okay, that makes so much sense.

feel like this song I feel like the song makes sense if it was like the last episode and like it's like hey we're ending and we're gonna like do this real like 90s esque final episode we like do a flashback to we met an alien we got fired on someone got sick someone got married someone had a baby it's been a long real and like the show is ending maybe and like the 90s theme of how shows ended in the 90s

Go ahead.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Right.

maybe it makes sense at the very end of the series. But for this to go straight into like space, like us being used to space traveling and long distances and the galaxy we've ever been before, these are the tails. It's just be like, to go from that type of setting to just like dad rock, it's just, it's jarring. It's just jarring.

But...

So rude.

you

Dead rock.

So, so, so Marlon, another thing you should know is that the very end of this series is only because I've heard both discussions for him. The end of the series, they turn the end of the series is Riker and someone. It's basically a hologram. They're what the whole series is them watching the hologram of the show. No, I'm not because I've heard multiple people say this, so I know it's true. So it's like. It's.

Are you kidding me?

I hope.

Sorry, can you, can you just, so I'm sorry. I don't want to interrupt you because I know this is important to hear. I just want to clarify for my understanding. How many episodes is this whole show?

heck no!

No, go ahead.

I don't know.

It only got four seasons out of most of these. Most of these shows got seven. Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Only four?

Wow, that's less than discovery. Wow. Okay. Interesting.

Okay, okay. Then this is it. This is this question is even more important. So four seasons of this show. And in the last episode, they give you it was all a dream.

confirmed.

Yeah. It was all hologram by Ryker.

It was all a dream. And this is why we don't watch Enterprise.

Fuck that completely. Fuck all of that.

Fuck that noise. I would be absolutely livid if I got hit with it was all a dream and or it was a TV show we watched.

I don't know if it was just, it's all a dream.

It was a hologram. It was a historical recording.

It feels almost very much like it was a hologram and we were watching the TV the whole time and none of it happened.

They're eating popcorn going, hm, couldn't be us. And that's how it cuts out.

I was crazy. Couldn't be, yes. I'd lose my mind. I'd lose my mind.

IT COULD BE A -

Cause, cause, cause I'm, I don't know if I'm completely convinced they can, they have the ability to, watch the whole process of this thing, but I, but I'll probably get there eventually and be like, yeah, guys, it was all a dream. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Did I spoil that for you, Ray? I thought I thought this was known.

I hope this act - yeah.

Although it, no, it is, that was a spoiler, but it's, it is, it is okay. I knew Riker and Deanna were in the last episode in some way. So it wasn't a full spoiler. it was just, but I need to, I need to get there. Yeah. No, don't. Cause I, I told, I'm not that invested in this show. I've, I've avoided it for a very long time also. No, no, no, no, no, absolutely not.

Sorry, I'm sorry.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I did not mean to spoil that for you. Sorry.

but now i need to hear ray's journey to that to justify that. right. so now he has a new quest.

Now I feel bad. I'm sorry.

Okay, all right. As long as you're not like in love with it.

That's infuriating. That just makes me mad for people.

That's wild.

Yeah.

But that's what's, I think the wildest thing about this show is that there's still, Brendan Braga's name as one of the executive producers, Rick Berman's the other name who was also a big player in all of these shows. LeVar Burton directs a lot of episodes. yeah. So it's, it is interesting that they had a lot of these people around that were very Star Trek.

Hmm.

I mean, he directs a lot of Star Trek, so that's not that surprising, but yeah.

Really? All right, Levar.

proud of you.

people and they still fucked this up as bad as they did but that's what they did.

Anything's possible. You put your mind to it.

as possible. Goddamn, that's disappointing.

That's wild.

Yes, right. If you can give me like a crib note, like what to watch, I will watch it. But I can I will not invest full seasons of my time for this.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah, I don't blame you. That part. I don't blame you on that part at all.

I know Ray gave me a great crib list of TGN and I told folks about that to Ziv like, you know, I watched a full Next Generation with a cheat sheet and was able to understand everything and it was great. And it felt worthwhile. But if you were to tell me that at the end of TGN someone's like, and the whole thing was a was a hologram. I'd want to strangle Raymond. If he was like, Marlon, we took you to the last episode. It's like, after all that, it was all data running a running a

and

Yay!

Hahaha!

hahahaha

a program in the simulation machine the whole time. I'd be like, no, you can't do this.

He was playing Sherlock the whole time.

Right.

You

Gosh, but they would because that was the time for those types of episodes. Gosh, so scary. I realized I could have segue X -Men to Star Trek when I... Because the old lady in the last episode was voiced by Beverly Crusher and I was like, I could have done... Never mind. I was just thinking about that. Like, yeah, that was...

would be horrible.

You're fine.

Yeah.

That was the Star Trek thing in X -Men for people who were paying attention to the clues on Twitter. That's fine. So yeah, Rachel Summers. So that's a thumbs up for checking out Star Trek Discovery on Paramount. That's the end of that story, right? Or the spin -offs are gonna continue their own thing in that universe. Is that what I'm getting?

Rachel Summers.

I think they're ending Lower Decks. They have ended Discovery. I do think they're trying to move into the next set of shows that they're like for cards over. We still have Stranger Worlds, which is better than both Discovery and definitely Enterprise. And...

That's right.

dang.

sad.

We still have the strange new worlds.

Yes.

God, I'm glad you said that.

Cheers. Cheers.

Yeah.

And so like, we still have that to look forward to. But it is interesting how this timeline is like, how they're just kind of all over the place in Star Trek. So I, if they're, if what they're really doing is watching Disney fail at doing huge universes and being like, eh, we should probably pull back on the amount of different things in this franchise we're doing at once. I'd be down with that because give me a, give me two quality shows, one quality show. I don't need.

Yes.

Mmm.

Four or five shows that half of them are gonna be like not great anyway

Agreed. Yeah. Well, hope we can see what the universe will bring in the future. I'm sure we'll probably find out sooner or later since all of them kind of ended by the end of last year and this year. Cool. Marlin, it's your turn. It's your turn. I want to hear more about this game that's gotten you hyped.

Yeah.

What? I'm hoping for good things.

soon.

Yeah,

Hmm.

since you're the whole game, and you're just making them ready to go to beyond and shed off their mortal coil and continue forth. So I'm really into that. And a game that kind of combined that and also combined platforming is a game called Tales of Kinzara Zao, which is this platformer game that is fully African -themed. So you're playing this character, Zao,

who just lost his father. And it's like Afro -futuristic as well. So you're in the future. And then your mother is telling you the characters out like, hey, like your father did all these things. He also lost his dad when he was around your age. And he went on this journey internally to kind of figure it out. And so you as a character kind of read this old journal and you kind of go down this path of your father basically platforming.

It's his whole journey is that he wants to talk to the God of Death and the whole game is like around these kind of African deities and African gods. It's very African aesthetic. There's like languages in there. There's outfits. There's culture. It's like dripping with beautiful like artwork. And so your character wants to bring back his baba and in doing so he talks to the God of Death. And listen, I heard there's this trial where if I, you know,

If I'm able to defeat these three deities that are running amok, the God of Death will grant me whatever I want. And the guy's like, yeah, whatever you want. It's great. I want my dad back. So, well, you can do it. Many have tried. Go for it. And you as a character are just kind of platforming your dad with a shaman. So he taught you the ways of like saving people, healing people. And you kind of go on this journey as a young Brashram man who has these shaman powers, but along the way you're kind of like fighting with the God of Death.

You're arguing with them about like, hey, like death shouldn't be real. Death is harmful. It takes people away from people. People should be happy. Why is life not all about being happy? And you kind of go further and further discovering the truth about your father in terms of like, hey, like he was a guy who raised you to help others and is wanting to bring him back really in that same vein of helping others. Are you?

sacrificing the greater good for a very selfish goal in mind. And so it's a really fun game. It's very metroidvania -esque because you get these masks and these masks have powers and you can platform more when you discover more upgrades to them. And they got a really great score on MetaScore for just like regular critics, but it's getting like a very like mixed review from users. And I just want to say if you're someone who's just really into just story building,

And it's like it's one of those games where you listen to the dialogue just all the way through Because whenever someone's speaking, it's just like it's just so beautifully worded It's so funny. It's so raw. The emotions are there and they're like actual like parts of the game where you were just your characters having a full like Debate with death and it's just like so angry with him and you can feel the emotion coming through into the screen as this young man is like

doesn't understand his place in the world and doesn't understand why bad things happen. And his mind, if I do this thing, you know, I'm defeating all the bad things by bringing back my dad. And then also adds to the further story of this character's son in the future, who's having the exact same thoughts. So kind of all ties together in this really beautiful way. So I've been enjoying it. It's really fun. It's about maybe like seven or eight hours of gameplay.

I know it's free on PlayStation Plus right now, and it's just been a blast to play.

Wow.

free on PlayStation Plus for everybody or...

I think it might be one of those PlayStation. You know what? I'm going to check. I know that I got it for free because I was like, I got to like is one of those games and say, hey, like this game is available this month. I just got it on a whim because it just looked really cool. And then I Tales of Kinzera and then it's semicolon Zao. Yeah, it's really fun that you fight these really fun creatures and you have the two mash of the.

Wait.

It's called what again, Merlin?

It is free.

water mask and the flaying mask and the way your character moves is just it's so fluid and it's so beautiful looking and if you play it you'll have a blast playing it and it's from Surgent and I think this might be one of their first games because on their website when you look at what they produce it has like tv short films or selected projects and it only shows you one video game which is Tales of the Kinzhawn so it might be their first stint at trying it out.

Yeah.

Right here is, yeah, I was gonna say it. Go ahead. Mm -hmm.

But it was founded by Abu Bakr Saleem, who's a black man. So it's like, I can see his footnotes all in this. And it's amazing.

Yeah, he's an actor who founded the studio to make this and it was published by EA Originals. So maybe this will be, yeah, it will be the start of many other types of stories and maybe not in a similar format, but like, you know, a character that's from another culture or another part of the continent that has a story to tell, but then it's like, what do I have to do to complete my quest?

Mm -hmm. The original, so it's got good backing.

Mm -hmm.

I love games like this.

Yeah, it'll get to you like the last part of this game it plays. And it does those things that I think a lot of games that are like emotional do where it's like the last you know, 30 minutes are going to hit you with some like real intense, like self help or like real deep comments. And this game does a great job around saying, essentially, you know,

keeping people in your heart is a part of life's gift. And another part, I get this choosing to let them go. And it's just like, it's, right?

god. That's so heavy! I don't... I don't think I'm ready for this!

That sounds like a, that sounds like a Pixar plot right there.

Right? Yo, it was a, and mind you, you are fighting creatures with like swords and like a javelin, you're like shooting water and ice and it's like, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. And then it just hits you. You're just like, right, this is a game that has like a real emotional stake to it. yeah, there it is.

Yes.

So I've been loving it. I've been loving it and like doing like, I'm done with it now, which I feel so bad about being done with it because I want it to happen so much longer. But yeah, it was just, it was really fun. And if you want to give it a shot, give it a shot. I'm hoping it's still free. If it isn't free.

It is.

It looks like it is not a essentials free game for everybody. It's one of the tiers. Yeah.

it's a tear thing.

Dang it. Okay, it's $15 on Steam and...

And its theme reviews are like, eighty, seventy nine and eighty percent. So like, yeah.

Yes! Okay, it's also 15 bucks on PlayStation until June 19th.

Solid.

$15 game.

June 19th. Wait, on Juneteenth?

Mm -hmm.

Well black owned black owned game black black game basically so they must have some They must have some sale going on for Juneteenth from black creators or something Yeah Yeah And last week all the LGBT games were probably on sale or they still are because it's fried time Yeah, yeah Just make some money

That's the last day, right? Hmm, hmm. Suspicious, that's what it is.

You know they do you like this game out

Yeah, check it out. sorry. It's

Marketing.

You're probably right.

you know they were.

They were. And movies, yeah, it was.

yeah, give it a shot. I'm hoping that they do more games like it because again, it's titled Tales of Kinsara, semi -colon and that's in this person's name. My hope is that we get more games like this from Surgeon like this because it looks really great. Some of the user scores on a Metacritic aren't great, but from Ray's statement on scene, it's getting really good scores. I'm hoping that this pushes away the current

Right.

dialogue around black led games like with Assassin's Creed, where people are like, I can't I can't really get into that or relate to this game now because that I'm hoping this is like, listen, all that's bullshit. Like just get into the game. It's enjoyable. You'll like it because this game is enjoyable. And I think you're gonna like despite not being black. If you're black, fantastic. It's a great little like dive into like a Black Panther Wakanda Ask Future kind of plane. But even if you're not,

Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

The tale and the story alone is just beautifully done.

I love it. I'm definitely going to check it out. That sounds amazing.

We have to talk about Summerfest stuff next time because there's a lot of video games I want to discuss. I know for you it's just Dragon Age, but like there's so much to talk about from... Yeah, I care about that Expedition 33 game because I was like, look turn -based, action oriented. It hits all my check boxes as far as like a Final Fantasy Kingdom Hearts.

That's me.

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That's all I care about.

to the Cephonia looking like game. And the voice actors are my favorite type, like has been Star and the lady who played Shadowheart in Baldur's Gate. I'm like, I'm there and I want to learn more. I learned that was another small European company that made it. They were actually Ubisoft desks that dropped out. Like they quit to form that studio to make this game. So yeah, I'm excited to learn more and talk about it on here. Cause...

Mmm.

I didn't think I was going to get a game, like looking forward to a game later on in the year, but that might be my game until who knows what comes out. But yeah. Are we still on to talk about Shogun? I also want to say that's one of the best shows of 2024. So I know there's a lot of stuff to digest and dive in. Did we still want to talk about it now or want to do it for the next episode?

yeah.

Well, we can wait till next time. I mean, I'm down to talk about it if need be.

So up to you guys.

We are at an hour and a half, so it's not a rush. This one is, if we're gonna bring the showground back up again, it's been off the air for a little bit now, so.

Mm -hmm.

That's fine with me if we talk about it next time, because I'm not gonna watch it, because I will be talking about House of Dragons next time, but Amy, please say you're watching it tonight. I need someone to talk to after I watch whatever this happens.

I will, I'll watch it tonight. It might ruin me for tomorrow, but I'll watch it tonight.

I feel like I'm all steamed out on that show.

My favorite thing about watching this show is going to Twitter directly because Black Twitter makes this. I think that's what made me like the show more. It's because of Black Twitter because the memes, the catchphrases, the everything like just this week alone, they brought back all the old tweets from last year. It actually got me hype. Yeah, OK. Yeah, I definitely should make time to watch this. So that's why I was like, I'm watching this. Is anyone else watching this so that I can be like, let me see you this meme.

Shogun, not hot take, Shogun is better Game of Thrones.

Yeah, I agree.

It's, I mean, it's different. It's historical. So it's just different. It's a different kind, but it's similar in feel. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different, but it has, it has that. I mean, that's, that's definitely true, but I just, I mean that as like the, the political intrigue and the what's going to happen next stuff is like same energy and just, just good.

It's a better adaptation. The adaptation process was way better. I would agree.

Okay.

Mm -hmm, mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Which is funny because they were inspired by Game of Thrones to adopt this book into a TV show only to eclipse it and be better. I love when that happens.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously.

Yeah, it was definitely very heavily like inspired by the time.

Hey, here we go.

yeah, for sure, for sure, but better?

Hehehehehe

And they're like.

Yes, I mean, cause... cause, what's his name? I can't hear Yuki Sanada.

I love it. I love it.

Yeah, he's he's amazing. I feel like I feel like we've been waiting for a role for him to like inhabit that like really just like lets him go off. And I was like really happy that he found this one. I feel like he gets assigned these roles that are like they're good, but they could be better.

Mm -hmm, mm -hmm. He's a treasure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But... you...

He still scenes, but it's not his movie. This is his show.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I, yeah, this is his show from being on screen and to being behind screen. This is his show.

Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. I agree. We'll get to that later.

So I look forward to hear more about that. Yeah.

I feel like I should read the book because I'm like, well, I'm reading everything else. Why don't I just go ahead and read the book just to see.

how good it was on paper. Anything else you guys want to mention, drop before we take off into the moonlight?

Yeah. Anyway.

one thing but now I'm not remembering what it was so you can cut that out I was hoping if I stall it long enough I could remember but

Hehehehe

Same, I was doing the same thing, because I was like, well, a lot of stuff is coming out this month, next month. There's more conventions, because Comic -Con is about to be out. I haven't seen any advertisement, but I know like in my geeky little brain, that's supposed to be coming up. So that should introduce more. What's happening for the second half of 2024? Because all I know is Lord of the Rings animated movie, because that's the only thing I really care about right now is that.

Mm -hmm.

But as far as video games and TV shows, I am unclear on what's happening the next six months. So stay tuned.

Just at the bears, and that's all I know.

That's fair. yeah.

Yeah, that's coming out what, next week? This week?

very soon. The bear and the boys are very soon.

The boys are now.

I gotta watch, I gotta watch GenV first. I'll get there.

Hi.

I do too, but I already jumped in the... I have to go back to watch it, but yeah, I agree. And we'll probably have time to talk about those shows. So much to discuss on that too. But with that said, thank you guys for coming together and talking about all the wonderful things that we talk about. I appreciate you. And I love hearing our discussions on this and how we can meme it for social media. I'm looking at Amy. And then for listeners, thank you for...

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I'm looking at anything.