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Hello and welcome to the astrology hotline where we

answer your questions about your birth chart or about astrology

in general. Today is Saturday July 3. My name is Tristan

Paylor and Co-hosting with me today is Kyle Pierce. Well,

everyone, we're both professional astrologers with an

eclectic approach built on the foundation of Hellenistic

astrology. And we've got a couple of listener questions to

share with you today and interpret. If you want to do you

want to go ahead and introduce our first question, Kyle?

Sure, we can go ahead and get started. So our first

question is from Katie. Katie asks, transiting Mars opposite

natal Mars, how does that often present especially now with Mars

in the T square with Saturn and Uranus? I'm having a major case

of the I don't cares right now. And I have a feeling it is

because of the pile up of planets involved in this T

square. Uranus is conjoined my natal Kryon and Taurus right

now, too. And Mars is sitting on my natal north node about to

conjoin my natal Mars. The overall energy lately has been

what am I doing with my life? Can I sustain this current work

I'm doing and why am I bothering anymore? Lots of listless I

don't have the drive or care feelings. So, Katie, excellent

question. I was really eager to answer this one, because it

involves a really significant aspect pattern that I think is

really characterizing the the current astrological weather,

but I also happen to be kind of in the crosshairs of it. So I'm

definitely feeling it. I have a like a sun Jupiter conjunction

about 12 ish degrees of Taurus. So it's right and in the heart

of the action. So, you know, to address the first part of your

question, transiting Mars, opposite natal Mars, you know,

that's going to vary a lot, depending on you know, what else

is involved in a transit? I think in a general sense, I

think of it kind of like in terms of phase, like a full

moon. So maybe kind of like the culminating phase of the Mars

cycle, as it pertains to your chart and what it points to in

your chart. But I think in this case, we've really got to put it

in the context of, you know, the current transit, how would you

typically read a transiting Mars opposing natal Mars?

I mean, the first thing I think about is the

nature of the aspect itself. The nature, the nature's of the

aspects get you some of their significations from the planet

they're associated with and the opposition is the aspect of

Saturn. So it has the character of delays and frustrations,

putting things on hold challenges and setbacks, you

know, need to find balance, that sort of thing. So while you

might think any sort of Mars Mars aspect might be energizing,

I'd expect the Mars opposition to be I mean, when you think

about its place, in the cycle of Mars aspects, like, you know,

Kyle was just sort of touching on. It's the point where

whatever projects Mars has been working on get kind of put on

hold or challenged or questioned in some way. So, with transits,

I like to look at the cycle of the aspects I like to look at

the last aspect the transiting planet made to the relevant

planet. So the last time Mars made an aspect to your natal

Mars, it made a Trine aspect from the beginning of March to

the end of April, when Mars was in Gemini. So if you look back

on that period, and maybe identify some themes that are

connected to what Mars represents, in your chart, you

might notice that stuff that you were working on then has been

kind of put on hold now. If you were pushing yourself too hard,

the Mars opposition can represent a time of of burnout.

Yeah. I tend to agree, opposition's do have that that

nature, nature of Saturn. I sort of think that, you know, it

obviously depends on the planet involved. But I think that it

kind of has that quality in part because of it being sort of a a

ripeness or a fullness of that cycle, kind of like you finished

your first draft and kind of submitting it for review. And

that's when you kind of maybe become like aware of all the

problems with Uh, you know, whatever that project is. So I

mean, I think there's already kind of built in to the transit

like, reassessment, you know, how am I gonna move on to the

next phase the sort of culminating or culminating the

disseminating phase where you kind of proceed offload, you

know, sort of carry forward with the project.

And act actually, I've had this transit recently, my

Mars is in Capricorn in the seventh house. So when I was

reading your question that made me think about my own experience

during that transit, and also made me look back at what was

going on the time previously, when Mars made a Trine aspect. I

won't get into you know, the minutiae of my own charts, I'll

just focus on, you know, Mars being in my seventh house and

being opposed from my first house. And the previous part of

the cycle when I had Mars Trine Mars was not long after my

partner and I moved into a new place. And, you know, I think it

was actually during that transit of Mars Trine, my natal Mars

that we, you know, finally finished unpacking the living

room, and we were, you know, becoming accustomed to a new

routine as a couple in a new space. And, you know, that was

all fine and dandy. And, you know, trends are often easy and

not all that noticeable. So then when the Mars opposition comes

around, sometimes, you know, that can represent a time of

those things being challenged. And when Mars opposed my Mars,

my partner got pretty sick, he's fine, everything's okay. But,

you know, the sort of routine that we had established as a

couple in our space, and the division of responsibilities

that had become a routine was kind of shaken up. And I had to

take on more responsibility, just you know, Mars and

Capricorn. And then, you know, during that period, I also

sustained a minor injury to my hand, and one of the extra

responsibilities I was taking on around the house was bringing

the chickens outside in the morning. And it's this whole

contraption with a rope. And it's very hard to do when I

don't have a serious injury. But it was enough, like, there's

some bruising on my hand that it made it difficult. So it's just

like, kind of one thing after another, that was kind of

shaking things up in, you know, forcing me to certain Mars

related projects that I had on the go, you know, in my work

life, or in my personal life, were kind of, you know, delayed

or disrupted. And I mean, none of this was, you know, a huge

deal or anything like that, and everything is fine. But, you

know, I don't I don't tell these stories to scare anyone, but it

just seemed symbolically very fitting. You know, that's just

sort of one thing after another getting in the way, we, you

know, walls in front of you kind of experience.

Yeah, that's making me think of, again, I don't want to

get too off track. Because I want to, you know, we want to

talk about like the aspect pattern in general, but I think

with like, yeah, the Mars opposition. And that kind of

point in the cycle, like Mars is very directed, has a goal, that

it's, you know, can be pretty single minded. And I think the

opposition is kind of when things catch up with Mars, you

know, maybe when all the minutia catches up all the the sort of

issues in details that may be hidden, hinder, or create

obstacles. Think about it as like a, you know, with Mars, I

always have to use like war analogies, but like when you're

on a campaign, and you've like, invaded, you know, the enemy

country, and you've gotten so far into enemy territory, you

take on both land. And at that point, you have to kind of

consolidate your resources, you know, everything's kind of all

spread out, you know, the peasants are revolting. You

gotta kind of deal with everything that you've gained,

so far, before you can make any more progress.

Well, one thing, you know, I do want to say, when

you're looking at planets in your chart that are affected by

transits. I think something that my example really drove home for

me is that you're not only looking at, you know, your own

subjective experience, and what's happening to you, but

also the people around you, because the planets in your

chart represent people in your life as well. And, you know,

this this pile up of, you know, planets in T square, that are

transiting through your chart or transiting through the angular

houses. The fourth, the seventh and the 10th, which are the most

I mean, for one, those are the most sort of active prominent

areas of life. If and, you know, that can certainly represent a

lot, if there's any tension between those three areas of

life, those tensions can, you know, come to a head. But, you

know, with the fourth house and the seventh Paris in particular,

you know, those houses also relate to other people. And so,

you know, with my experience of Mars, opposition Mars, like, my

partner had it a whole lot worse than I did, he's the one who

actually got sick, I was fine, you know, I had a very minor

hand injury that has nothing to complain about. But you know,

he, he was not having a great time. And sometimes those

malefic transits, you know, can show up that way where, you

know, you've got Mars in the fourth house, and Saturn is

transiting over that which, you know, compounds the opposition,

you know, with that sense of frustration and things being

slowed down, or maybe burnout. But that stuff that like maybe

roommates or family members, might also be encountering some

of those themes in their own lives. And, you know, those

situations in their lives also have an impact on your own. So

that's, that's something to be mindful of, too. When you're

interpreting transits. I think, you know, obviously, your

experiences that you are feeling this, these themes playing out

personally, and Mars happens to rule your first house, you know,

so that makes a ton of sense that this would be affecting you

on a very personal level as well. But it's worth worth sort

of thinking about other people in your life too, and what

they're going through and how that might be affecting how

you're feeling.

For sure. I'd say almost more often than not, like a lot

of like big transits, you're expecting something really

significant for yourself, and it's just an issue that you're

dealing with, it involves somebody else, or, you know,

it's not always about you. But from what you've described,

sounds like you're feeling what I think a lot of people with

sensitive points that are being hit by this transit are feeling

and think it, it's gonna play out very differently for, you

know, depending on, you know, what plan is being activated.

But I want to talk a little bit about it, kind of generally.

Actually, Tristan, did you see that clip? Kind of going around

on the internet? Right now? The pipeline burst, the gas line

burst in the Gulf of Mexico?

I have not seen it. Alright, I'm gonna

send you a quick link.

Is there literally fire in the water? Yes.

So for those who haven't seen the video, there's fire

bubbling up, like emerging from the water. But it literally

looks like you know, there's a, like a just, you know, a ball of

flames in the water, like the water itself is on fire.

And I mean, if that's not when I think about the hard

aspect, part of aspects cycles, especially those that involve

Saturn, because Saturn represents time and the

consequences of our actions, you know, I can't help looking at

this and thinking is here are the consequences of our actions.

This is that part of you know, the the narrative where what was

done and seemed like an okay idea at the time. Turns out not

to be such a great idea after all,

yeah, you burning pipelines with the ocean of

flammable gas, or oil, you know, has consequences. But I think

what I find the most interesting about it, because when I think

about for anybody, maybe not watching the the transits right

now, Uranus is in Taurus, about 12 degrees, 13 degrees. Saturn

is in Aquarius, about 12 degrees and Mars, as of today, the third

of July. It's just separating from an opposition with Saturn.

So the way I kind of look at it, in general, can help it like

focus on Mars and Saturn first, because like they're the most

visible, kind of tangible planets. Mars and Saturn deal

with very kind of opposite principles. Not completely, but

Mars has a lot of momentum. And it's kind of like a, like

relentless kind of pushing forward, kind of bet at any

cost. And so you get like sort of severing and cutting with

Mars, it's just that's in the way, I'm going to cut through

it. With Saturn opposing Mars. It's creating obstacles and

barriers to Mars. And I would say that these transits, you

know, generally come with frustration. And I'm actually

going to nickname this one the spirit Crusher, Leo, Mars in

Leo. It can be it's very egocentric, a very kind of

personal drive and will and getting with you Maybe you want

more or less at all costs, you know, Mars wants what it wants,

right? Saturn is kind of saying now Mars, what you want doesn't

necessarily matter or what you want is unsustainable. And

Saturn I think, is in a stronger position overall being in its

own sign. Mars, you can sort of do its thing and Leo but it's

not particularly you know doesn't have any like essential

dignity. But you know with Uranus kind of in square with

Mars, it's really like pushing Mars forward. It's like Mars

wants to go, go go now, you know, together, it's like just

blasting through obstacles. But Saturn is creating obstacles

for, for for for Mars to the blast through and I feel like

particularly kind of at this phase in the transit, it's just

kind of feeling like defeating it's very repressive and

defeating kind of configuration. I can't help but think of, you

know, Mars and Uranus keep thinking like the Kool Aid man,

how he would bust through a wall and the party. He would like

show up at the party. Kind of blasted rollin. Oh, yeah. And,

you know, it was never really addressed in the commercial, but

he's like, happy to see the Kool Aid man but reality like, Dude,

you just blasted a hole to my house. You know, I think said

I'm saying like, no, come through the front door Kool Aid

man. And the Kool Aid man might just be like, huh, like, what's

the what's even the point? Like, I can't even I can't make my

entrance. Like, I'm not really the Kool Aid man, if I can't

blast through the wall. I think that's what it's transit sort of

feels like to me, it just feels like, you know, like, you don't?

What's the point? I can't bless the wall.

I think one thing too, when you're interpreting your

own transits is to take your perfection year into account and

to perfect not only from the ascendant, but also from the SEC

light, whichever, the sun or the moon. You know, if you were born

during the day, then the sun is your SEC light. And if you were

born at night, that's the moon. And perfecting from that point

can also tell you a lot about the themes that are

astrologically relevant that year. And, you know, looking at

your perfections Katie, you know, Jupiter, is your time,

Lord, perfecting from your ascendant, and Jupiter is going

to make their way back into Aquarius. And I've been thinking

about this retrograde period, as you know, Jupiter kind of seeing

that their friends are in trouble, like, Oh, crap, this T

square is formed since I've been gone, I better go back and help

out. So you know, maybe Jupiter moving back into your fourth

house and getting involved in the T square can can start to

kind of smooth things over.

Yeah, I think that that configuration needs some

attention from benefics. And, you know, Venus is in the mix,

but it seems like Venus is a little bit too involved to

really be able to smooth anything out. She's kind of like

in the mix and like, you know, gonna be on the receiving end. I

think we're at Venus right now is about to hit that opposition.

Yeah, it's about seven degrees. So I mean, it's on its way. But

the thing is, now you've spotted this. Yeah, Tristan, but Jupiter

when it Retrogrades back into Aquarius. Mars is going to be

exiting, like just the same time. But it's sort of like like

as Jupiter makes its way back into Aquarius. It's going to hit

that opposition with Mars, right? It's it's leaving. It's

kind of like Mars like kicking Jupiter in the balls as he

comes. Z shows up or you know, like walking in on an argument

or like walking in like right at somebody is storming out of the

room? You know,

I like that image a lot. Like whoa,

what happened? You know, what's the deal with the dress?

What just happened

here? Yeah, I think in the big picture sense you know,

Jupiter is definitely going to have their hands full but I

think at least for Katie, because Jupiter's a Time Lord,

hopefully that provides some you know, a really it's a positive

Omen in in your chart, Katie you know, on the larger scale,

Jupiter is probably still going to perhaps regret walking back

in that door.

It's kind of like a Yeah, I mean, think Jupiter would

rather stay in Pisces, but yeah, we need your Jupiter.

Please, please come help us Jupiter. Venus can't do

it alone. We need both the genetics in here to mediate this

whole situation.

Yeah, for sure. Um, I'm kind of looking forward to

Jupiter coming back for a little bit. Kind of like all Saturn,

you know, is a little can be a little rough. Speaking of which,

I think that I mean, it's notable or interesting that, you

know, Katie has Jupiter and Saturn in Libra conjunct

natively. So I mean, I feel like the two are used to working

together for Katie. So, I mean, I think that I think relief is

on the way. But I would say, you know, in the meantime, sort of

my remediate of advice, you know, Mars, I think when like

Mars energy is being like suppressed, or or constrained or

restricted, which I think shows up in Katie's chart natively. So

Saturn is ruling Mars and Aquarius. There's like a kind of

a sign based Trine there, which you know, is generally a more

cooperative aspect. But Saturn, you know, without a sect, it's

exalted. But it's still you know, a little bit more

difficult, even through trying like there is some restriction

and restraint and restraining that Mars is always gonna be

kind of dealing with in a Saturn ruled sign, especially if it's

well configured to it. The more constructive, more positive but

maybe not always suggested, subjectively easy. I think that

restriction and restraint can build up think that it actually

it takes a lot of energy to restrain Mars. While like pent

up energy can kind of manifest as like depression, or even like

low energy, like it's, you need like a raw outlet for Mars.

Personally, my preferred method of remediation is a punching bag

I find that I sort of like opens my channels up when I sort of

lay in my punching bag and throw some some Mars energy at it sort

of like getting that raw Mars energy out to make way for you

know, a little more of a balanced you know Mark that you

can apply to writing projects are or more mundane affairs,

getting the dishes done. And you have a Saturn ruled Mars.

Granted, you have the exalted Saturn ruled Mars. I as well as

Katie, I have Mars and Aquarius. So it's a little bit more of the

challenging Saturn ruled Mars, but I do think you get similar

themes. Maybe Mars doesn't like to be as constrained in

Aquarius, I don't think it likes Air signs as much in general

doesn't really do as great with mine stuff.

I like your point about restraining energy takes

energy, and what looks on the surface, like, like calm inside

can actually feel very fatiguing, trying to maintain

that state of calm. Yeah. And I think when there is desire or

energy that wants to be expressed somehow, and it's been

held down for so long, that can manifest as that sense of

pointlessness, like I've given up caring because every time I

try to let this out, or try to get this ball rolling, something

gets in the way.

I think to you know, Katie, describing that sort of,

I don't care sort of feeling which, you know, dealing

similarly, you know, what it takes, like, some effort to kind

of get up and going. times, I think that that is sort of like

the face that we paint on Mars as I don't give a fuck energy,

you know. And I think that that's sort of what needs that

an outlet. Because I don't think that's how, you know, any of us

want to feel regularly but you know, if we don't have an outlet

for it, if we don't have an outlet for the aggression, that

Mars points to, I think with with Mars and Aquarius,

specifically, because Saturn's like so negating, and so, in

particular, an Aquarius is kind of more on the ideal plane idea

plain. Mars will just kind of say, nah, nah, I'm not going to

show up to that party. Not only like it, you know, like Mars

shows Mars in Aquarius shows aggression by walking out of the

room, which is kind of like a passive, passive aggressive,

passive aggression. So if you can find something to like, be

actively aggressive towards that safe and healthy and

constructive, think that some of that blockage will clear. But

also think that the energy is about to shift, because Mars

sort of gets away from that opposition from Saturn and hits

Uranus. Which is that is it doing that now? Is that like

exact? 21 It's on its way it's close. Really, by the time this

gets out, it'll get passed. But I think that's the point when

like Mars is kind of separating from the opposition, and is a

little more on the Uranus side, when you'll get more of that,

like, Mars energy coming through, and I think you may not

get a choice, you know, you might, if you're not finding,

like appropriate channels, you might start snapping, you know,

at people, hopefully not publicly in the 10th house. But

I did want to mention real quick, I found it really

interesting that, you know, Bill Cosby being released from

prison, when I looked at his chart, his Uranus return is

going exact, like, literally, it might even be separating from it

now, like within days of going exact. So that kind of surprised

me a little bit with like, Mars, Uranus, I mean, it seems like

kind of constraining and like, I think maybe Uranus has like, the

more, we're more dominant in the configuration, as far as Bill

Cosby is concerned, not speaking, you know, talk about

his filter, in essence, really, but you're getting more of that

liberation, and of Uranus. And I guess that's like, the big theme

is that I think that there is potential for liberation, even

in like a difficult monolithic T square, I think it's sort of

begging for something to be liberated. And that could be

more constructive or more negative, you know, maybe you

have a car. Imagine having like a car that you're leasing that

you're like, I paying way too much for this is costing way too

much money. You know, that could look like crashing it getting

out of it that way, which is, you know, a little less

productive, or you could, you know, find somebody to sort of

take over that lease for you or, you know, get sort of some sort

of trade and trading arrangement. Car Dealership.

Katie kind of brought up sustainability. Right. Did you

already say something about that?

Or about sustainability? I mean, I

mentioned burnout,

burnout. Yeah, for sure. I think that's I mean, yeah,

it's kind of like the burnout point. I think for a lot of

people.

I mean, that makes sense to like, coming to getting

to a point in the pandemic, where a lot of people are

vaccinated, and things are opening back up. Just you know,

I'm in Canada. So that's happening a little bit more

slowly here, but it is happening. All of this sort of

frustration and pressure that has built up, you know, during

that time, there is that, you know, sense of wanting to be

released and a sense of fear, and, you know, all that kind of

stuff that's happening on a collective level for us all

right now. And, you know, I think some of us, I'm

definitely, in the camp of people who put, you know,

perhaps too much pressure on myself during lockdown to sort

of make something of that time, while you know, living through a

global pandemic, which is an extremely stressful thing for

all of us to live through. So you know, that kind of pressure,

when undergoing a lot of external stress at the same time

can reach a breaking point. And, you know, sometimes when we're

feeling that, and we look at the transits, and we see things that

resonate with that feeling, it's a sign that it's actually time

to take a break. It's okay to take a break, it's okay to

relax. And, you know, with the way this is playing out in your

chart, Katie, you know, affecting all of the angular

houses, basically, you know, your identity, your home and

family, your relationships and your career in public life, and

your coworkers, all that stuff is relevant to these transits

moving through your chart. And if there is tension between

those areas of life that takes a lot of time to sort of tease all

that out. And, you know, work out your priorities, you know,

and where some of those areas of life might be interfering with

priorities and the other ones in a negative way. And it's just it

takes time, and it's okay to just take a vacation from it.

Take all the time, you need to process it.

Yeah. I think you brought up a good point about like the

pressure thing and like what kind of pressure is sustainable?

Obviously, you need like a certain amount of pressure to

propel things forward. But when that reaches like a critical

point where it's too much like gas in a pipe, it explodes and

creates a big ball of fire in the ocean. You know, Despite is

able to sustain itself. I think that that, like might tell

anybody something maybe about who has many planets

significantly configured to that pattern. But you know, there is

there's something there that needs to be released in a

constructive way, rather than destructive one. But you know,

you have to hit the release valve I suppose for, you know,

waiting for the explosion to happen, or stop putting so much

gas in the pipe. But, um, yeah, with that, we want to move on to

our next question.

Sounds good. And on the topic of Mullah fix, Keith

has just dug a 100 foot, two foot deep trench through the

yard, and is now breaking into the foundation of our house. So

it's around me Oh, and I feel great about it. Oh, he's Yeah,

running electricity out to future chicken coop. So

that's badass. That yeah, that's, that's constructive

Mars, Saturn opposition? Yes.

Yes, it is. All right. So our next question comes from

Sammy, who has a grand Trine in the water signs and their birth

chart and wants to know more about what grand trines mean, or

what their grand Trine specifically means. So a grand

Trine, you know, obviously represents a chain of support

and a chart. And while it looks very beautiful and dramatic,

something I find with trines is that they can actually be very

subtle, we have a real tendency to notice things that are not

working or that are not going well, or that are challenging.

And when things are going smoothly. There's a tendency

that we all have this is universal, I believe, to sort of

take that for granted. It's like when you get a bad flu, or bad

colds, that feeling when you start feeling better again, and

you're like, I am never going to take for granted just feeling

normal ever again. But we all do, right. Like we just we

forget how good it feels to just feel normal until we have a cold

again. So I think a grand Trine can be a little bit like that,

it can be a little quiet, it can be a little subtle, you have to

kind of do some thinking to tease out how it shows up in

your life because it's often things underlying your, your,

the structures of your life that just you know, tend to go. Okay,

and so they're hard to see. But the condition of the planets

involved in a grand Trine is also important to note because

trines are indicative of support. If you have a planet

that's in kind of rough shape and your chart, and it's

supporting a planet that's also in kind of rough shape, that can

look a little bit more like enabling than like constructive

support. Kyle, do you want to say anything sort of more

generally about the grand Trine as a configuration?

Yeah. So I think like you said, a grand Trine, you know,

points to most of the time support, like you were saying,

like, we don't necessarily know the things, notice the things

that go well in our lives as much as we notice. And the big

problems, like squares are more like direct confrontations. And,

you know, depending on the type of person you are, you know,

some people I do hear that these people exist, that, you know,

notice how, how lovely the sun is being out today, or how nice

the flowers smell. I know that those people do exist, I think

for the rest of us when something's going smoothly, like

oh, yeah, that's, that's just kind of there. But I mean, it

does speak to cooperation and support and there's kind of like

a feedback loop of it too. You know, when you see, like a grand

Trine like that, you know, I think kind of what you're saying

to like, the conditions of those planets matter a lot. But I also

believe look at reception to like, what kind of reception is

taking place those planets? I don't know if you're gonna get

into that a little bit, but it does look like there's quite a

bit of taking place.

Yeah. I will, I will start a little more generally.

And then I think move into the details because you know, you do

you want to get into the nitty gritty and look at which planets

are involved and what they're saying to each other. But I will

say sort of more broadly, that the the Trine is an aspect that

has the nature of Jupiter and so it has this quality of bestowing

blessing or favor, you know, sort of like someone in a in a

issue of great influence, or someone with a with great

wisdom, or a lot of resources is able to sort of bless people

with with this wisdom or with these resources. And you know,

you also want to look at, obviously the houses that are

involved in the grand Trine. And in Sam's case, that's the first,

the fifth and the ninth. And so what you have is a chain of

support between the first house which is identity and self

expression and personal agency, and the fifth house, which is

creativity and the ninth house, which is spirituality and higher

learning and all the ways that we sort of transcend what you

know, we're normally capable of seeing or understanding, you

know, whether that's through study or through spiritual

practice are through exploration, through travel,

that kind of stuff. So you've you've got this supportive

configuration between those three areas of your life. And

then if you want to get more into the details of what's

happening in the grand Trine, it's important to look at which

planets are earlier in zodiacal order because that's how you can

see what direction the chain of support is moving in through the

grand Trine planets that are if a if a planet is making a an

aspect to another planet, the planet that is earlier in

zodiacal order. So say for example, in this grand Trine

Mercury is in cancer, and Jupiter is in Scorpio. So cancer

is earlier in this series of signs than Scorpio is and the

planet that is earlier is going to be the one with more

influence in the configuration. So that planet is the bestower

of the blessing that's characterized by the Trine that

planet is in a position of offering help and support to the

planet that's later in zodiacal order do tend to start up, you

know, please do

I agree with that. I also I mean, I sort of look at to the

planets earlier in the dial order. It has, you know, it is

kind of the Bestower. But it also can call upon, you know,

the other planet to like it's sort of in charge, you know,

kind of like what you're saying of the nature of Jupiter.

Jupiter, often think of as is like a patron or a has a bunch

of stuff to offer wisdom, money, but they can also you know,

being the the patron or the bestower of the good can call

upon you to like, oh, I you know, hey, can you you know,

you're a musician? Can you write a song for my my niece? It's her

birthday, you know. But anyway, not to cut you off?

No, that's a really, really good point. And I'm glad

you brought that up because there is it's not like it's it

only goes one way if there's an aspect it does go both ways. But

there is one planet that tends to, you know, have this sort of

play play that role of being more of the leader in the

configuration. So if we move through the Trine in your chart,

Sam in zodiacal order, you know, we start with mercury, Trine

Jupiter. And you know, here you have mercury in the in the first

house. So there is self expression supporting

creativity, supporting artistic creativity, supporting you know,

fun and recreation. The Fifth house is the party house. It's

the fun house. It's where we do things that feel good. And then,

you know, as you move along, you have Jupiter supporting Saturn

and Saturn's in the ninth house. So you see, you know, the fifth

house this creativity, supporting spiritualities,

supporting higher learning, supporting exploration, and then

Saturn supporting mercury. And because I know something about

the context of of Sam's life, I really I'm focusing on the

spirituality signification of the ninth house here in

particular, you know that spirituality then supports self

expression supporting mercury in the first house. The most

interesting detail I've noticed about this specific grand Trine

is the configuration between Jupiter and Saturn within it.

Jupiter is actually quantifying Saturn, because Jupiter is in

you know what's called the superior position being earlier

in zodiacal order Jupiter is bestowing that favor upon Saturn

and can also ask Saturn for things. And Saturn in rural

Saturn too, and there's reception Saturn is in Pisces,

Saturn is in Jupiter sign. So that's like a very, very

positive configuration between these two. You know, Jupiter is

playing host to Saturn because Saturn is in Jupiter sign. And

because there's a positive configuration that you know,

Saturn stay in Jupiter's house is, you know, perhaps that of a

well liked guests, Saturn is going to be taken care of in

this situation. And you know, to get some details of how that

would actually look, or what areas of life to look for that

theme playing out, you know, you'd look at the houses they're

in which I've briefly touched on, you can also look at the

houses they roll. In particular, I was looking at the houses that

Saturn rules, because Saturn is the one being bonafide and

Saturn rules, the seventh house and the eighth house. So you

know, the seventh house obviously, is relationships, the

eighth house usually shows up as, you know, other people's

resources, and some darker connotations, obviously. But,

you know, those those topics are being given some support by

Jupiter. And that doesn't mean that those topics are always

easy. Jupiter's actually being maltreated through an opposition

with Mars who's the out of sect malefic So Mars is the most

challenging planet in this chart. So Jupiter, you know is

is trying

mean there is reception with that opposition. Mars rules

Jupiter

in Scorpio, yes, there is there is reception between

them. So it's, you know, a much easier opposition than it could

otherwise be. But it's still challenging. Jupiter still has

an Jupiter's retrograde. Jupiter still has, you know, some

challenges to deal with and Saturn, no matter how well

configured or well placed is a challenging planet Saturn

doesn't represent things that are easy. So it doesn't

necessarily mean that the topics of those two houses are always

easy, and being ruled by Saturn. You know, getting good things

out of those houses can still take more time, because Saturn

does not do anything quickly. And has very high standards for

you know, for what they will let into those houses in your life.

But it nonetheless is a good place to look. If you're

thinking you know, how, where do I look for support in my life

around these topics, that aspect from Jupiter can give you some

insight into things that might support relationships and

support, you know, we all end up in debt of some kind, you know,

at some point in our lives, which is something the eighth

house represents Jupiter, you know is is optimism and faith

and spirituality and because I think spirituality is a big

component of this grand Trine in general and of the relationship

between Jupiter and Saturn. You know, I would expect that things

like artistic creativity, which is in the fifth house as well as

you know, spirituality, divination, those are our topics

that would be supportive of what Saturn is trying to do in your

chart and, you know, ruling the seventh and eighth

Yeah. I guess I'm on that topic. It's making me think of

student loan debt. It's like Saturn in the ninth ruling the

eighth wonder, I wonder if there is a lot of student loan debt,

but I would tend to think that that's going to go go better.

Like you know, I would say if, you know, this person was

asking, like, I want to go to I want to study this, but you

know, I have to take on so much debt to get that degree or get

that series of degrees. I don't know if it's worth it. I would

say it's, that's probably worth it. I mean, it's probably gonna

work out. The other thing I can't help but I mean, there's a

bunch of really interesting stuff about this chart because

you know, Jupiter, so Mercury being in the first house and

that trine with Jupiter you know, there's some reception

there since Jupiter you know, exalted in the sign of cancer. I

it being in the fifth house like I know the whole configuration

like seems like really good for storytelling. Might be like a

very, like Jupiter in Scorpio for some reason I always think

of kind of like suspense, like like being I don't know like

knowing how to like foster suspense effect. We'd like

Alfred Hitchcock had Jupiter in Scorpio. I think Stephen King

did two very good storytellers. And, you know, Mercury has his

joy in the first you know, like the somebody who like likes,

likes to talk likes to and it made me more comfortable

speaking publicly. Maybe maybe not. Mercury's retrograde but I

think what also maybe reinforces that to me going off on the

wrong track but but mutual reception with mercury and in

the moon I know we're talking about the grand Trine, the Water

Trine, but there is kind of a Grand Earth trying to it's not

super tight by aspect. But there are planets in all of the earth

signs. Mars and Taurus, the moon and Virgo in the third and

Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn. There's kind of like a what do

they call that seems like a spider web or something but like

more pleasant spider web. But like the moon you know the moons

and it's joined the third Mercury's and it's joy in the

first and kind of mercury having like Jupiter to lean on can be

even like latent storytelling ability or something like

because Mercury and Jupiter both retrograde Yeah, I mean, Saturn

to being in the ninth house. It isn't kind of the overcoming

trine with mercury. But I would say that, you know, Saturn is in

pretty good condition. Gonna, you know, think traditionally,

even like mercury, Saturn aspects were to be kind of like

stabilizing, sort of give mercury, you know, more

direction a little more.

Yeah, I've something that I learned early on, in my

astrology studies, I had a teacher told me, It's better to

have any aspects between Saturn and mercury than none. Because

Saturn can really ground mercury and organized mercury. And I

also it's interesting that Mercury rules the third house,

and Saturn is in the ninth house. Which, you know, seems

like a nice aspect for someone with a great deal of spiritual

insight, but also a good student. You know, these are

both both houses that are relevant to the topic of school

and also the topic of spirituality. And Mercury's

trying to manage that third house for you. Mercury's in

charge of that. So getting some support from Saturn, especially

when Saturn's in the ninth is definitely you know, an ally in

those areas of life and will help with you know, third house

stuff and ninth house stuff and Mercury stuff. All that kind of

stuff. It's it's pretty easy to become unglued. You know, when

you're, you know, really, really stretching your mind to its

limits, whether that's through study or through spiritual

exercises or mystical experiences. So retrofittable

Yeah, I would bet yeah. So having Saturn there to ground

those areas of life and focus things I think is really, really

important. You know, Saturn is a good BS detector and can, you

know, help you with discernment and, you know, can help you you

know, when Mercury is taking on, you know, too many interests.

Saturn can kind of narrow that a little bit and keep mercury on

task.

Yeah, I think mercury in cancer to kind of tends to talk

circles sometimes. And I think that Saturn can help that out a

little bit too. You know, you know, we have these kind of two

opposition's to the moon is supplying to an opposition with

Saturn, which, you know, it's pretty challenging aspect. And,

you know, we have that Mars Jupiter opposition, but what I

like about that grand Trine, and the way it's configured to those

opposition's like, it's kind of in a position to like to think

of those you know, there's an opposition between two planets

and like a Trine and sextile respectively with another

planet. That planet can sort of serve as a mediator. Like, like,

think of, it's like translating a mediator, like, you know,

these two planets are having a conflict. And this third planet,

you know, has a more cooperative relationship with both of them

and can kind of think of like to kind of like high school, or

know like to friends or having an argument and like the third

friend can talk to both of them and be like, hey, you know,

surely, thanks. Your backflips are really great on the

cheerleading team. And Katherine's like, Oh, I didn't

know, she felt that way about me cheerleading. You know, like, I

don't know, like, they may be able to like open open dialogue

between the two of us to to facilitate it with a more.

Yeah, and I mean, just looking at the big picture of

all those aspects and how they relate to each other, you know,

the way the opposition's are getting a bit of help from that

grand Trine, and from the harmonious aspect patterns that

are going on in this chart. Makes me wonder if, you know,

maybe there's a skill for mediation, or a tendency to find

mediators when they're necessary. That that's, that's

perhaps a theme that's going on. And you know, I'd have to dive

into the weeds a little bit, you know, to dig out details of how

that might look more specifically, but just, in a

broader sense, like, could indicate a skill for conflict

resolution, or a tendency to, you know, find people who do

have that skill when it's necessary to employ it. Doesn't

mean there's no conflict. But, you know, accessing those

mediation skills, whether within yourself or from other people is

perhaps something that's helping when there are challenges in

conflict.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would say that I mean, it does point

to there being conflict. Yeah, but even you know what, that's

what I love about actually, some of my, like, my personal

keywords with Jupiter in Scorpio is like the gaining wisdom

through conflict. There's so much here too, that points to

like divination or, like occult wisdom called knowledge, like,

thinking to have a door at door theists. Because the Egyptian

retort is rhetorical, or as the Egyptian

Yes. Pretorius, the Egyptian says that Saturn and

mercury and aspect make astrologers. I don't know if it

you know, they have an interest in in astrology specifically. I

mean, they're asking a question to a couple of astrologers about

their charts. So probably answers that but they, you know,

they might be actually very gifted astrologers if they chose

to go that way.

Yep. Or taro or tarot, or any other form of divination

and also the eighth house connection with, you know,

Saturn ruling the eighth house from the ninth also makes me

think of mediumship Yeah, you know, talking to talking to

spirits talking to the departed, you know, feeling a connection,

spiritual connection with the departed with with ancestors

doing ancestor work, that kind of thing?

Absolutely. They're all like, very visible, that whole

configuration, it's very, it's all has, like a kind of a clean

relationship with, with the ascendant.

Yeah. Yeah. So it has a lot of opportunity to actually

be personally expressed. And there's an extent to which, you

know, I mean, if, if a grand Trine was happening, between

supporting houses, like, you know, the 11th house was

involved, and, you know, that might, the symbolism of that

might have more to do with other people or circumstances and the

environment, giving you support, and not necessarily something

that, you know, you naturally consciously take hold of.

Whereas, you know, with mercury in the first house, being

involved, there's kind of an opportunity for this grand trine

to be expressed in the personality and for, you know,

the strengths and resources that it represents. Being able to

really consciously take hold of that and like, kind of a good

sign that, you know, the decisions that you make with

your own agency are probably sound, because that's what the

first house is all about is, you know, your own decisions. So if,

you know, this is the kind of support that you know your chart

is giving you then I feel like that's that's a good indication

that like, you're probably on the right track when you make

choices.

Yeah. Yeah, I'd say that. Yeah. Can your big decision

making planets are well situated especially you know, the ruler

of the first being the moon in its joy and the third that

awesome, really badass, mutual reception with mercury. I'm

like, I love that looks. That's awesome. Again, you know what?

I'm thinking about it like you know if they're really into

tarot, maybe a lot of Tarot to me my expense So what is

storytelling? It's being able to connect you know the cards

together and pull a story out of that you know resonates with

people yeah I would say be very gifted tarot card reader if it's

something that they're into

yeah I mean the whole Major Arcana is just you know

one long narrative it's a very it's it's a divinity story art

that lends itself very well to narrative.

Yeah. Which I mean astrology I feel like is similar

to you know, oh yeah hopefully meaningful from from the symbols

Yeah, and figuring out you know, what kind of stories

they're telling you've got your characters and they're all

having their dialogue with each other and you know, how are they

moving the plot forward or you know, which which ones are foils

to the others? Yeah are always all kinds of stories going on in

a birth chart.

Just thinking at the most trying to like counteract a

little bit I can do that way my brain works like look for what

could possibly be negative about this. And the only thing I can

think of, I guess what like that, you know, grand Trine

specifically it's like the could be like, a tendency to to look

for drama in the story. I don't know create drama in the story.

I don't know.

Maybe like Saturn's. Saturn's probably gonna lean

that in? Yeah, Saturn's not very pro drama. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I sort of like that. I mean, I think they

could if they wanted to. Jupiter, like come on Saturn.

Let me just let me just embellish this like a little

bit. You know,

that's true. Jupiter has a lot of power here to push

Saturn around.

I kind of see Jupiter as having like the most sort of

power in that grand Trine?

Definitely.

Yeah, I mean, it'd be like the right kind of drama

just like a little suspense.

Well, in the fifth house, too dramatic. That's

that's that's about fun. Yeah, you've got it. You got Jupiter

in the fifth? Definitely, like big on Good Times. Yeah. And

with a Mars ruled fifth what those good times are might be a

little unconventional.

Yeah, for sure. Again, too, may or may not be a tarot

card reader, but they are. I've been to several. For awhile, I

wasn't going getting readings all the time. And often we just

like to I like the ones that like made it fun. I don't know

that like we're fun and easy to be with. I don't know. Like the

we're like a little too serious a little too like business like

you know, like a and then there are those that were like a

little too kooky a little too fluffy in like

little two will Yeah, and

I think that you know, with Saturn kind of in the mix

there and even like Mars that opposition with Jupiter which I

don't think is like the end of the world I would actually say

if anything like that. Martin kind of configured to all of it

like Mars is very like yeah, Taro cool. Does it do something

though? Like, does it does it accomplish a goal a task, you

kind of get like that fun. Jupiter energy that could like,

you know, make it interesting, spice it up, make it a little

you know, whatever fun sounds like that like strong spiritual

component. But you also get like a grounded kind of practical

component with Mars and Saturn. Like it's very balanced. I think

that's what I like about grand Trine is they tend to indicate

balance.

Yeah, it's it's a very self regulating aspect pattern.

self regulating,

I mean, that's, that's one of the characteristics of of

Jupiter is balance. Yeah. And stabilization, you know, with

aspect patterns that involve squares and opposition's you

know, things become unbalanced, or, you know, go to extremes

really quickly. Whereas, with a grand Trine, anywhere that you

know, something might reach an extreme it's kind of kept in

check by the configuration to the other planets so that

nothing really goes too far. Nothing really crosses the line.

Yeah, it's very moderated.

Jupiter can see everything to just about

everything. Sure, like in a day chart, you know, the more

Jupiter can see in day charts, the better

definitely.

Yeah, I mean, that's all I can really think about. Just

going off the aspect pattern in itself. It's anything you have

to add interest So

now I think I think we're good.

All right. Well, I think that we will call it a day here.

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Awesome. Well, we will sign off for today. Best of luck

to you Katie enduring the Saturn Mars. Uranus T square will pass

you so I'm telling myself that every day. Seriously, it will.

And thanks for sharing your chart with us. Sammy,

thank you both very much for your your questions.

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