BSG S4E20 & 21 - Religious Babble

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well-done sci-fi

watch cast by a couple of former

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strangers who are now friends and have

finished: 2004

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I'm Laura

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Xhafer: I'm Jafare.

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It's the big moment.

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We did it

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Laura: We did it.

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It's over.

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Xhafer: Well, no, we have a bunch of

terrible auxiliary media to watch still.

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But it is not nearly as well

received or acclaimed as this show.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: we got through to the end.

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You made it to the end

without any spoilers.

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Bless up.

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Laura: We

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Xhafer: Not…

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Laura: I don't know how we did it, but we

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Xhafer: No, we did it.

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So, once this call is over, I

will add you to spoiler town

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Laura: Yeah, Aaron, Aaron, uh, was

like, "I could add you right now, but I

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won't just in case Jafer has a reason,

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Xhafer: A ceremony.

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I didn't…

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You c- he totally could have.

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You could have just shown up in there.

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Laura: He thought Ja'far

might have a plan, so

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Xhafer: no.

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Laura: he, uh

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Xhafer: much like the Cylons, say I

have a plan but am just winging it.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: The actual twist,

there never was a plan.

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Um, all right.

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So listener, if you're

just joining us, one, hi.

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But two, uh,

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Laura: Weird choice

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Xhafer: weird choice, but here we are.

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We are doing, Daybreak part two and three.

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Part one, we are doing the

extended cut, which is a two-hour

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30-minute-long version of this episodes.

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So part one, the first 40 minutes is in

last week's episode, so go and listen

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to that because this picks up just,

like, in the middle of an episode.

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So it might be a little jarring if

you were trying to, like, "Oh, I'll

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just listen to the last, the finale

to see what they say about the end."

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You gotta go back and listen to last week.

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Y- y- you don't, but, you know, you

might not understand a chunk of this

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and where it's coming from if you don't.

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So we cut over/open on

Bill and Saul at the

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strip club.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Did you know this was

the next scene before you…

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Like, did you pause with enough

time to not know that this was

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the next thing that was happening?

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Laura: know this was the next

thing that was happening.

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Xhafer: was so jarring to flip

on and just be all like, "Oh,

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this is what's happening."

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Laura: Yep.

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We're doing this, I guess.

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Xhafer: Probably more jarring than just

watching the episode and it cutting

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to this was watching a chunk of the

episode, taking a day break, and then

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coming back to this chunk of the episode

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Laura: Yes.

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Uh, not only are we, like, just in

the strip club, but Saul is trying

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to pay for a lap dance for Adama,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: keeps refusing and

ultimately tells the lady, like,

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"Here, enjoy your 40 bucks.

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Just go away."

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Xhafer: He deserves it.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Uh, but this is, this is fun

'cause Ellen is also here.

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Uh, we're here

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Xhafer: Sure is.

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Laura: the one-hour job,

the mysterious one-hour job,

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Xhafer: Yeah So They, they give

some illumination, but not a

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lot here as to what's going on.

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He's gonna have a life without

inspections and drills.

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So, he's moving…

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The, the one hour, as we see later

in the episode, is about moving

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out of military life and into

the private sector civilian life

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Laura: Yeah, it's still not…

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I thought maybe it was, like,

some sort of political thing, but

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Xhafer: be.

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Laura: never clear exactly what it is

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, it doesn't matter.

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I don't think it mattered to Bill, so

it doesn't matter to us, the audience

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Laura: Right

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Xhafer: But yeah, Ellen, after they're,

they're having a couple drinks here,

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Ellen just appears from the darkness

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and then gets on the

table and starts dancing

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Laura: Yep.

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Saul is super into it, so I

guess way to be supportive.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We Cut over to Cara and

Lee talking politics.

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Lee talks about the

importance of the vote.

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Hey, we know that stuff from season one

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yep, he's Super into the democracy.

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But Zach is teasing him about

actually being a cynic and

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not being a romantic at heart.

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And also, you don't

talk to Dad anymore, so

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trying to put his brother down

in front of his girlfriend.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Uh, he's all like, "Why'd

you follow dad's footsteps if

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you're not gonna talk to him?"

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And then he's just like, "I only

joined the military for free college."

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: see Laura on her blind date

with Sean, who she realizes she knew

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that name because he's a former student

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Laura: Yep.

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Xhafer: Now, we never…

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Do we know what Laura taught?

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Okay, 'cause there's a…

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I'm not trying-- One,

this dude is, like, 40,

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Laura: No, I don't think so

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Xhafer: right?

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Laura: Yeah, they are both like,

I was thinking, God, like how far

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apart in age could they actually

have been when she taught him?

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Like, It

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Xhafer: it depends a lot on what she

taught because if she taught like in

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college or high school and it was like

one of her first students or something,

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that age gap might be less than a decade

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Laura: Yeah.

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It might be like five

years, six years tops

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Xhafer: But if she taught

like elementary school

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Laura: Yeah.

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It doesn't look like

elementary school really.

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It looks like a high school or

college gap because they really

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do look very close in age,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: At this point.

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Um, but yeah, he was one of her students.

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She's a little weirded out by it, and

he's like, "Well, do you want me to go?"

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And she's like, "I didn't say that."

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And then she pours them both some wine

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Xhafer: Bill yells at Saul for

not wanting to do the thing

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he's encouraging Bill to do

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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And then Saul is like finally able to be

like, "Yeah, I guess I wouldn't either."

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: and he keeps

cheering Ellen on onstage

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Zach passes out.

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Kara grabs shot glasses for her and Lee

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Of course she does

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Xhafer: And then Ellen gets down

off the table, and Saul puts…

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He, like, pulls the dollar bills

in her bra out with his mouth.

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No.

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No.

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Money no go in mouth.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Laura: He's

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Xhafer: was…

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Oh.

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This hurt me.

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Laura: letting you know

he's a dirty, dirty boy.

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Xhafer: Oh, oh.

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Oh, that's not…

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Oh, no.

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I was genuinely upset.

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Laura: They, they have a little bit of a

giggle over her tips that she got, which

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I don't know, I'm a little, I'm like, hmm,

that was, that belonged to the girls on s-

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like, the girls who were really working.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, , she heckles him about

always following Adama everywhere

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Xhafer: His true love, Bill Adama.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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She's been jealous a while.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And then they have a

classic Sol and Ellen fight

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Xhafer: they do.

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While this is going on, we cut over to

Bill, who's, outside in the alleyway,

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so drunk he's puking all over his suit.

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Laura: I didn't wanna see this.

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I didn't wanna

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Xhafer: It was

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Laura: almost puking all over his suit.

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Xhafer: Like you could tell me that

this wasn't like fake puke and that

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Eddie Olmos just willed this to

happen, and I would believe you.

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This looked very convincing to me.

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Laura: gross.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It was so upsetting in a way

that only something like this

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actually happening, I feel.

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Like it was so well done

that if it wasn't real, I,

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I believed it more than the starships.

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Like I-- it was the most believable thing.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: very well done.

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but he looks up at the stars and smiles

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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We know Dad needs the stars.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he's a sailor.

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Laura: Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: see carriers take off

from Galactica and Gaius is

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hanging out alone in the bang bus.

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6BT shows up to give him a reminder

that it is in fact the series finale

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Laura: Yeah, trust yourself.

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Trust God's plan for you.

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and, uh, he's like, "Well,

what exactly is that?"

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6PT says they're…

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He's leading them to their end.

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Uh, and he's like, "Wait a second,"

when Paula comes in and interrupts and

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is like, "Hey, we've got stuff to do."

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It's a pretty good cut.

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I enjoyed it a

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's real good.

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He flashes back to Caprica, where

Caprica Six is hanging out with Calvin.

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Laura: Oh, yes.

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This was funny because I thought

from the basis of our conversation

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last week that Calvin wasn't gonna

show up again, that literally

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that was just in the last episode.

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Xhafer: Well, I mean, he's

in this for three seconds

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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But, Calvin apparently has a

key to Gaius' house and is just

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chilling with Caprica Six, drinking

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So that makes the little

brother story even funnier in my head.

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I am taking that, and it

does sound like Calvin is a

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neighbor now, but I don't care.

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He's his little brother.

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Xhafer: Beth watched this one with me

and she went on a whole thing about

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how Calvin in her head canon is Gaius'

big brother, little brother program

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Laura: Yeah, that's what I was talking

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Xhafer: Yeah, said.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, just like went on this whole

thing and I'm like, I bet you if I update

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the wiki, some podcaster in like four

years will come across this, not know

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that it's all fake, and just buy in.

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Laura: Yep.

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Xhafer: No one's hawking the Battlestar

Galactica wiki for accuracy these days.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Get in there and

make some sneaky changes.

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Laura: Yeah, Ronald E.

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is probably not, eyeing these

things with the same level of

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intensity as a- another creator.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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No names mentioned.

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Laura: names.

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No names

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Xhafer: We should find out who

made Farscape so we know who

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we could potentially piss off.

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Maybe we should spend…

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Jim Henson?

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I'm not worried about that one.

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Laura: yeah.

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I wouldn't even be worried

about that one if he was alive.

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I don't think he was an easy man to…

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Well, I don't know.

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I guess I don't know shit about Jim, Jim

Henson, so I better keep my mouth shut.

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Maybe

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: pissed him off.

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Xhafer: I know nothing about Jim

Henson, so everything I know about

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Jim Henson I know from the Epic

Rap Battle of History he's in.

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Laura: Mm.

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Xhafer: Not a reliable source

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Laura: Yeah, exactly.

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Xhafer: Anyways, he's all like,

"I'm gonna call the cops on Six."

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But she tells him that she found

a place for his dad to live.

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He'll be able to, farm again.

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They've got all these gardens and stuff.

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He'll be able to do all this.

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"I took him there.

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He loved it."

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Laura: Yes.

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He's moving right now as we speak.

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Xhafer: Yep

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Laura: Anybody else would find

this creepy, but Gaius is just so

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relieved to have a problem handled

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Xhafer: Do you think there is a version

of the script where we cut over to

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the nursing home and it's like the

nurse taking care of him is Simon?

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Laura: That'd be so much fun.

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Or another Six, like, a brunette Six

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: Give us that scene

instead of almost any of the other

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flashbacks you gave us this episode.

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We'll talk about it

when we rate this thing.

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I don't know how much of this is the

extended cut, and that might be…

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If all these flashbacks are the

extended cut, then good because

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they do nothing for this episode.

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If you were to task me with re-editing

this thing right now, the only flashback

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I would keep is the Lee Cara stuff.

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Laura: Really?

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: that's the one I would cut

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Xhafer: So I think in term…

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Okay, well, well let's

get through everything.

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Let's get through everything.

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Laura: yeah

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Xhafer: Anyways, Cottle tells

Rosalyn she's got enough drugs to

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keep her standing another two days.

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She is high as fuck.

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Laura: Yep

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Xhafer: And then we have a scene that

mirrors the one we had last episode where

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they were talking about the plan, where

now they're formulating the plan, and

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we cut between four different mission

briefings with Helo, Lee, Adama, and

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Tyrol giving different mission briefings

to the pilots, the Marines, the, gunners

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and Battlestar staff, and then the Cylons

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Laura: Yeah, the Big thing in this is that

Tyrol and his team are like, you know,

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"The only way to do this quickly is to

move Anders to CIC and hook him up there.

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Like,

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Xhafer: Yeah, the big thing in this is

that Hero and his team are doing great.

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Laura: The cables to get the

right stuff to this place.

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We gotta move him."

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And Adama does freak out

having a Cylon hooked up to CIC

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Xhafer: So a couple of weeks

ago when we had Elliot on, we

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talked about the ship of Theseus

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Laura: Yes

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Xhafer: I think this is the line,

and that's why Adama freaks out.

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Having a Cylon hybrid in CIC is the line.

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This is no longer the Galactica

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Laura: Hmm.

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That's his line in

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Xhafer: The, all the networked computers.

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Yeah

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Laura: hasn't come to the conclusion

that because he is still here,

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it is still the Galactica?

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Xhafer: I think objectively when

you're the person that makes it

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the thing that it's still the

ship, it's hard to see that.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: And basically that's what

Starbeast yells at him, is that like,

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"Hey, we all literally just crossed

a line in the last episode, you

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: You and I put that line down,

and people crossed it, and they're here.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: I'm sorry that this is your

line, but you also need to cross it

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and get on board, you dumb idiot."

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Xhafer: She goes full Adama on Adama.

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: 00:15:04

Laura: Mm-hmm.

341

: 00:15:05

Xhafer: It's great.

342

: 00:15:06

Laura: Yeah.

343

: 00:15:07

Xhafer: Speaking of great, in the next

scene, Hoshi's promoted to admiral.

344

: 00:15:12

Laura: Wow.

345

: 00:15:13

'Cause there's literally nobody else.

346

: 00:15:16

Xhafer: I mean, everyone

else has volunteered.

347

: 00:15:18

Laura: Mm-hmm.

348

: 00:15:19

Xhafer: I mean, what are you gonna do?

349

: 00:15:20

Pull Captain…

350

: 00:15:21

Is Kelly alive?

351

: 00:15:23

Laura: Mm.

352

: 00:15:26

Now I don't remember either

353

: 00:15:28

Xhafer: we don't see him after the mutiny

354

: 00:15:31

Laura: Maybe he's one of them

that is, like, volunteering to,

355

: 00:15:36

Xhafer: service.

356

: 00:15:36

Get out of prison rather.

357

: 00:15:38

Laura: Yeah, like, commute

his sentence or whatever.

358

: 00:15:42

But right, I thought he survived

the mutiny, but now that you

359

: 00:15:45

say that, I'm not 100% sure.

360

: 00:15:48

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean,

361

: 00:15:49

who else, right?

362

: 00:15:50

Laura: Mmhmm

363

: 00:15:51

Xhafer: Lee's going, Ty's going.

364

: 00:15:54

Laura: Mmhmm

365

: 00:15:55

Xhafer: Hoshi I guess is the number

four guy on the ship at this point,

366

: 00:16:00

Laura: Угу

367

: 00:16:00

Xhafer: else is going, so it's Hoshi

368

: 00:16:03

Laura: Yeah We like Hoshi though Hoshi

has done nothing objectionable to us

369

: 00:16:08

Xhafer: Yeah, no.

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: 00:16:08

I mean, he even says it's all

like, "People will listen to you.

371

: 00:16:12

You are universally respected."

372

: 00:16:14

, Those are the important things to be

the admiral, so you're the admiral now.

373

: 00:16:18

Laura: Yep

374

: 00:16:19

but he says I will see you

at the rendezvous point

375

: 00:16:23

Xhafer: Yep.

376

: 00:16:23

Laura: but Adama's reminds him No no

no have 12 hours If we're not back in

377

: 00:16:28

12 hours you get the fuck out of there

378

: 00:16:30

Xhafer: Yep.

379

: 00:16:31

We see the Cylons have installed

that red wall above Anders.

380

: 00:16:36

It really brings the room together

381

: 00:16:38

Laura: Mmhmm Gotta have

it You can't not have it

382

: 00:16:41

Xhafer: Yeah.

383

: 00:16:42

Cylon goo is just all over the place.

384

: 00:16:46

It's just a gooey CIC now.

385

: 00:16:48

Laura: Uhhuh Mmhmm Yeah

386

: 00:16:49

Xhafer: Like…

387

: 00:16:49

Yeah

388

: 00:16:50

Laura: goes to like move some

cables or something and they're

389

: 00:16:52

they're now they're moist

390

: 00:16:54

Xhafer: Yeah.

391

: 00:16:56

What do you do to clean this stuff up?

392

: 00:16:58

Like, do you need industrial

solvent to get rid of Cylon goo?

393

: 00:17:02

Laura: Yeah

394

: 00:17:04

Xhafer: Is it just like

stove cleaner or something?

395

: 00:17:06

Like, does Lysol handle it?

396

: 00:17:08

Like, what's going on?

397

: 00:17:09

We need to break this stuff down

398

: 00:17:11

Laura: Do you have to get the good oxy out

399

: 00:17:14

Xhafer: Right?

400

: 00:17:17

Laura: Oh my God Jafer it's

401

: 00:17:19

Xhafer: Laura.

402

: 00:17:20

I know, he's the president now.

403

: 00:17:22

President Lampkin

404

: 00:17:24

Laura: I need you to know that Romo

Lampkin appeared on the screen and I

405

: 00:17:28

paused I had Aaron pause it so that I

could write down OMG it's Romo Lampkin And

406

: 00:17:32

then I turned to Aaron and I said I bet

he's the president now And then we started

407

: 00:17:37

it back up and he's the president now

408

: 00:17:40

Xhafer: Romo is the president now.

409

: 00:17:42

Love it.

410

: 00:17:42

Good for him

411

: 00:17:44

Laura: Yeah He's gonna love this job

412

: 00:17:48

Xhafer: He is.

413

: 00:17:48

He's gonna take it so seriously.

414

: 00:17:50

And he does, as we see in the one

scene of him doing president stuff

415

: 00:17:56

Laura: Lee gives him a

handshake and Hoshi's there too

416

: 00:18:00

Xhafer: Yep.

417

: 00:18:01

Laura: last Raptor out and everybody

who is left has gotta get on

418

: 00:18:06

it or they are now a volunteer

419

: 00:18:08

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

420

: 00:18:09

Laura: Gaius and Paula are loading

up their shit when Gaius to go

421

: 00:18:15

Xhafer: Yep.

422

: 00:18:16

He's gonna stay and do the thing.

423

: 00:18:19

He doesn't know why entirely,

but he feels he needs to.

424

: 00:18:23

Laura: Yeah

425

: 00:18:23

He says that he never

belonged to Paula's group

426

: 00:18:27

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

427

: 00:18:28

Laura: she's what they need and

good luck And there's a read on

428

: 00:18:33

this you can take that is just like

429

: 00:18:38

Gaius saw that He saw hard work

ahead of him as the leaders of

430

: 00:18:44

these uh leader of these people

431

: 00:18:46

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

432

: 00:18:47

Laura: just decided to nope out of that

hard work He's like I could do hard work

433

: 00:18:51

for the rest of eternity as their guy or

I can do a little bit of hard work now

434

: 00:18:57

and who knows what'll happen but won't

be as daunting as like the tedium of

435

: 00:19:03

being a leader for the rest of my life

436

: 00:19:07

Xhafer: Yeah.

437

: 00:19:10

Laura: So I I kinda laughed at it I know

we're supposed to be like Oh this is Gaius

438

: 00:19:14

big moment He's redeeming himself He's

doing a selfless thing But I was like Mm

439

: 00:19:18

Xhafer: Yeah.

440

: 00:19:19

Laura: is it

441

: 00:19:19

Xhafer: Mm.

442

: 00:19:19

Laura: though

443

: 00:19:20

Xhafer: Is he just a little lazy?

444

: 00:19:22

Mm.

445

: 00:19:25

as soon as he steps on board, it's like,

"Oh, hey guys, you're a Marine now.

446

: 00:19:29

I know you thought you'd

be doing science stuff.

447

: 00:19:32

No."

448

: 00:19:33

Laura: Yeah you are gonna be the reserves

449

: 00:19:36

Xhafer: You could be up in CIC helping

with the Cylon technology interfacing

450

: 00:19:41

with the military technology that you're

responsible for the programming for.

451

: 00:19:44

Laura: Nah

452

: 00:19:46

Xhafer: here's a gun.

453

: 00:19:47

You're gonna guard this hallway

454

: 00:19:49

Laura: Well you've got the final five

up there man or the other fuck around

455

: 00:19:53

four managing Anders really Like do

you need What is Gaius gonna add to

456

: 00:19:57

Xhafer: Yeah.

457

: 00:19:58

Laura: the smarty pants Like they

they have direct knowledge whereas

458

: 00:20:02

Gaius is just general smart guy

459

: 00:20:04

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

460

: 00:20:06

Tory reminds us she doesn't

give a fuck about Hera

461

: 00:20:08

Laura: Yeah She doesn't why

having faith will do her any good

462

: 00:20:14

She's like I don't I don't care

463

: 00:20:16

Xhafer: Yeah.

464

: 00:20:16

Laura: what

465

: 00:20:16

Xhafer: The--

466

: 00:20:17

Laura: do for me Tori

467

: 00:20:18

Xhafer: This scene is to re-remind you

that we don't like Tory, so that way

468

: 00:20:22

in, like, 10 minutes you don't feel bad.

469

: 00:20:27

Laura: Yeah I don't know that I needed

that necessarily I I Once I'm reminded

470

: 00:20:32

of why I don't like Tory I'm like Oh

yeah right right right right right

471

: 00:20:36

Xhafer: I agree.

472

: 00:20:37

I think this scene probably plays

better for a non-streaming audience.

473

: 00:20:41

Laura: Yeah

474

: 00:20:42

Xhafer: 'Cause if--

475

: 00:20:42

Laura: a minute

476

: 00:20:44

Xhafer: It's been, two and a half years

or something since she killed Callie.

477

: 00:20:48

Laura: Right

478

: 00:20:49

Xhafer: So maybe a reminder ain't so bad.

479

: 00:20:52

Laura: Gotta remember Uh we've

done a fun bit of business where we

480

: 00:20:54

painted all our centurions the the

481

: 00:20:57

Xhafer: The red stripes.

482

: 00:20:58

Yeah.

483

: 00:20:59

Laura: That's fun That it's

484

: 00:21:00

Xhafer: Yeah.

485

: 00:21:02

Yeah

486

: 00:21:02

Laura: their body It's cute

487

: 00:21:04

Xhafer: Yeah, it's fun.

488

: 00:21:06

Laura: Mmhmm

489

: 00:21:06

Xhafer: Every station on the ship

checks in While this is happening, we

490

: 00:21:10

see Rosalind and Ishay in med bay where

she's getting instructions on how to

491

: 00:21:15

be a, like, quick little triage nurse.

492

: 00:21:17

Laura: Mmhmm even though Ishay is

the one who said You're so high

493

: 00:21:21

I'm surprised you're not floating

494

: 00:21:23

Xhafer: Yeah.

495

: 00:21:24

Laura: the best we got for a triage nurse

496

: 00:21:29

Xhafer: She's like, "When

someone's done, just, uh, just

497

: 00:21:32

put this X on their forehead.

498

: 00:21:33

They won't know what's going on."

499

: 00:21:35

Yeah.

500

: 00:21:35

Laura: yeah

501

: 00:21:36

Xhafer: and it's all like you've picked

the person who's never gonna put an X

502

: 00:21:42

on someone's forehead to be the person

who puts Xs on someone's forehead.

503

: 00:21:46

And she realizes this about 10

minutes into the actual job, but

504

: 00:21:50

Laura: Yeah Well I think it's not just

that Rosalyn's never gonna do it it's

505

: 00:21:55

also that she's like Oh you'll know

But Rosalyn really doesn't know I think

506

: 00:22:00

like when somebody is gonna make it but

we've got Gaius and Caprica both are

507

: 00:22:07

reserve marine fighters apparently and

he's like I don't think you should be

508

: 00:22:11

here And she's like have fought in many

more battles than you actually have

509

: 00:22:18

and he's like Oh right okay but

everybody's a go Anders is a go

510

: 00:22:24

We gotta have an Adama speech

511

: 00:22:27

Xhafer: the, The admiral gets on the horn.

512

: 00:22:29

If they don't fail Galactica,

Galactica won't fail them,

513

: 00:22:33

is the essence of the speech.

514

: 00:22:34

Laura: Mmhmm

515

: 00:22:35

Xhafer: She'll get us home.

516

: 00:22:36

Laura: it's gonna be her last thing

517

: 00:22:38

Xhafer: Yeah

518

: 00:22:39

Laura: will get us through this

519

: 00:22:41

Xhafer: And then they jump

with what feels like, 100 feet.

520

: 00:22:45

I know that it's more than that because

of the scale of space in these ships,

521

: 00:22:48

but it feels like they jump like 10

feet away from the Cylon battle cruiser.

522

: 00:22:52

Like, could have accidentally been

inside the Cylon battle cruiser

523

: 00:22:57

Laura: We

524

: 00:22:57

Xhafer: or the, the colony ship.

525

: 00:22:59

Yeah, this is the colony.

526

: 00:23:01

Laura: Right And uh guns are blazing

instantly I think from both sides

527

: 00:23:07

Xhafer: Yeah.

528

: 00:23:08

Laura: we plug in Anders to get

him to interrupt the other hybrids

529

: 00:23:12

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

530

: 00:23:12

Laura: Uh and it we hear

the song a little bit as the

531

: 00:23:17

Xhafer: Yeah.

532

: 00:23:17

Laura: shut down and then I think

there's a color change like the other

533

: 00:23:21

hybrids started out a certain color

like their pool and their lights and

534

: 00:23:24

Xhafer: Yeah

535

: 00:23:25

Laura: And then when Anders has

interfaced and interrupted them

536

: 00:23:28

it changes color But I don't

537

: 00:23:29

Xhafer: Yeah,

538

: 00:23:30

Laura: to

539

: 00:23:30

Xhafer: th- they start blue and turn

red, which is the color of Anders

540

: 00:23:35

in the hybrid pod the entire time.

541

: 00:23:37

It is also the color of the

first hybrid from the Racer movie

542

: 00:23:42

Laura: Oh I didn't notice that Okay

543

: 00:23:45

Xhafer: Yeah.

544

: 00:23:45

Little things, little things.

545

: 00:23:47

So these are the hybrids that

are more conscious, I suppose?

546

: 00:23:51

Laura: Oh like they they

kinda have some awareness of

547

: 00:23:55

Xhafer: Yeah

548

: 00:23:56

Laura: other things besides

the math or whatever

549

: 00:23:59

Xhafer: Yeah.

550

: 00:24:00

The Raptors are hanging out in the

unused pod that was the museum.

551

: 00:24:06

Uh, so we get one more shot

of the museum, which is fun.

552

: 00:24:09

There's lots of OG "Battlestar"

fan service in this episode,

553

: 00:24:12

more than any other episode of

this show, even the miniseries.

554

: 00:24:15

Laura: Truly yeah

555

: 00:24:16

Xhafer: We'll see when they start fighting

the Centurions, but it's mixed Centurions.

556

: 00:24:19

It's the old school Centurions and

the new ones all over the place,

557

: 00:24:23

Laura: Yeah

558

: 00:24:23

Xhafer: um, which is fun.

559

: 00:24:25

Uh, but the Raptors jump out from the

museum into a position above the colony

560

: 00:24:30

as Galactica rams the colony ship.

561

: 00:24:35

Laura: Yeah

562

: 00:24:36

this is so good We got our Vipers

out there fighting We've got

563

: 00:24:40

Galactica stuck into the colony

564

: 00:24:44

we've got Lee just like blowing a hatch

on Galactica somewhere and then they

565

: 00:24:48

can jump down into the colony ship

566

: 00:24:52

and they discover they do

have some atmosphere here

567

: 00:24:55

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

568

: 00:24:56

Laura: be helmets off so we

can better understand them

569

: 00:24:58

as they run through the hulls

570

: 00:25:00

Xhafer: Yeah.

571

: 00:25:01

I mean, I don't think the helmets

would offer a ton of protection against

572

: 00:25:04

Cylon bullets, but you would think you

would not take these off in a combat

573

: 00:25:08

situation where everyone else but

you can survive without atmosphere.

574

: 00:25:14

Laura: That's true cause what

if they vent some shit on

575

: 00:25:16

Xhafer: Yeah.

576

: 00:25:17

Laura: any moment That's a

577

: 00:25:18

Xhafer: Yeah.

578

: 00:25:19

You send in centurions,

you vent the bitch.

579

: 00:25:22

Laura: Yeah That would've been

a way to go Well I guess cause

580

: 00:25:22

we can't resurrect anymore

581

: 00:25:23

Xhafer: They got magnet

boots, they'll be fine.

582

: 00:25:25

Laura: Like a Doral is just

stuck in a hallway somewhere

583

: 00:25:28

Xhafer: It's a Doral.

584

: 00:25:28

They're replaceable, whatever, fuck it.

585

: 00:25:31

Laura: I think Doral has like one

line in this whole episode I think

586

: 00:25:37

Xhafer: Besides get shot.

587

: 00:25:39

Laura: right

588

: 00:25:40

Xhafer: Uh, the, uh, the

colony l- launches raiders.

589

: 00:25:46

When was the last time we saw a raider?

590

: 00:25:49

Laura: Oh it's kind of been a minute We've

591

: 00:25:51

Xhafer: It's been a minute

592

: 00:25:52

Laura: about like Oh we would send a

raider to look for this but we didn't

593

: 00:25:56

actually see the raider do anything

594

: 00:25:59

Xhafer: Cause even the rebel Cylons

that we've seen fly the heavy raiders,

595

: 00:26:03

not the normal raiders, 'cause

those, the pilots are built in, so

596

: 00:26:07

Laura: Yeah we've got some raptors out

there struggling through the debris

597

: 00:26:12

Xhafer: yep.

598

: 00:26:12

Laura: Racetrack and Skulls

599

: 00:26:15

Xhafer: Yep

600

: 00:26:16

Laura: only for a second

601

: 00:26:17

Xhafer: So s- Racetrack tells Skulls

to start warming up the nukes,

602

: 00:26:21

Laura: Угу

603

: 00:26:23

Xhafer: then gets got by a meteor

after he presses the button

604

: 00:26:26

Laura: Yeah It's crazy

605

: 00:26:29

Xhafer: we see them blow the front

doors off of Galactica as Lee's strike

606

: 00:26:32

team pours in to start the assault.

607

: 00:26:35

Laura: Угу

608

: 00:26:37

Xhafer: of got but didn't really get

that I thought would've been cool here

609

: 00:26:39

is, like, all the human Marines throw

down ropes to slide down, and then we see

610

: 00:26:44

Cylons on the ground running past them.

611

: 00:26:47

We should've seen Cylons jump

612

: 00:26:49

Laura: I

613

: 00:26:49

Xhafer: the top,

614

: 00:26:50

Laura: leaping yes

615

: 00:26:52

Xhafer: with them

leaping down and running.

616

: 00:26:54

That could've been really cool.

617

: 00:26:55

Laura: Yeah Mmhmm

618

: 00:26:56

Xhafer: Like, really remind us

how terrifying these things are

619

: 00:26:59

Laura: Yep I was sitting there

like I love that we've painted them

620

: 00:27:03

with the red stripes so we know

621

: 00:27:04

Xhafer: Угу

622

: 00:27:06

Laura: But like they are still computers

as far as we know or or as we as humans

623

: 00:27:13

Xhafer: Yeah.

624

: 00:27:14

Laura: What if there's some sort of

wireless virus that Cavill could infect

625

: 00:27:18

them with that turns them back Like

that would be terrifying you know

626

: 00:27:24

Xhafer: It's like a throwaway line

like six episodes ago, but there

627

: 00:27:29

is like a chip that they physically

removed from all of these Centurions.

628

: 00:27:33

'Cause they show us the chip at one point.

629

: 00:27:36

Yeah

630

: 00:27:36

Laura: Like where that would be

the device through which Cavill

631

: 00:27:39

could've theoretically done that And

632

: 00:27:42

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, who knows?

633

: 00:27:43

Laura: is that device

is totally gone So these

634

: 00:27:45

Xhafer: Yeah.

635

: 00:27:45

Laura: unhackable centurions

as far as we've been

636

: 00:27:48

Xhafer: They've got the free wills, so

637

: 00:27:51

Laura: Okay It's funny that we I think

we already said this that we gave

638

: 00:27:55

them the free wills and then we put

in a chip to block their free wills

639

: 00:27:59

Xhafer: Yeah.

640

: 00:27:59

Laura: Like why did you even

build it with the free wills

641

: 00:28:03

Xhafer: So that we could take

it out dramatically later and

642

: 00:28:05

give them their free wills back.

643

: 00:28:07

Laura: Mmhmm

644

: 00:28:08

Xhafer: Adama and Ty direct the

battle as four of the raptors land and

645

: 00:28:12

start to cut their way into the ship.

646

: 00:28:15

They move in and encounter

the two centurions.

647

: 00:28:17

This is the first time we see one of

the old centurions running around.

648

: 00:28:20

Laura: Mmhmm

649

: 00:28:21

Xhafer: fun.

650

: 00:28:22

Laura: Did we get guys in suits

you think or is this all CGI

651

: 00:28:25

Xhafer: Oh, this is all CGI

652

: 00:28:26

Laura: Cause you could have guy in suit

and then add some CGI on him That'd be fun

653

: 00:28:30

Xhafer: Maybe.

654

: 00:28:31

They're very shiny.

655

: 00:28:32

They're like the fake metal shiny that

exists in CGI and never in real life.

656

: 00:28:37

Laura: Mmhmm

657

: 00:28:38

Xhafer: it seems like it'd

be a lot of extra money.

658

: 00:28:40

Laura: Yeah That's fair I guess Uh we got

Simon He's like keeps doing medical shit

659

: 00:28:48

Xhafer: Yeah, he's got the

weird thermometer thing

660

: 00:28:51

Laura: he's

661

: 00:28:52

Xhafer: with like the weird probe

662

: 00:28:54

Laura: checking his vitals testing his

syringes I think we hear like a saw

663

: 00:28:59

whirring at some point He's like ready to

664

: 00:29:01

Xhafer: Yeah

665

: 00:29:02

Laura: and Boomer's just like Hey

wh how can you still be doing this

666

: 00:29:06

when we're under siege And he's like

Nah they can't win cause the math

667

: 00:29:10

is against them It'll be fine And

she immediately just snaps his neck

668

: 00:29:18

Xhafer: Got 'em

669

: 00:29:19

we see a Cavill, another Simon,

and a Doral find the dead Simon

670

: 00:29:23

and know Boomer took Hera.

671

: 00:29:24

They're like, "Oh, you, you trusted her."

672

: 00:29:27

It's like, "I didn't not trust her.

673

: 00:29:29

I don't trust anybody.

674

: 00:29:30

I just miscalculated."

675

: 00:29:31

It's like, that's literally the definition

of not trusting someone, Cavill.

676

: 00:29:36

Laura: Yeah

677

: 00:29:37

Xhafer: own ass

678

: 00:29:37

Laura: Yeah he's he's such a dipshit

Uh it hmm uh I don't know We'll we

679

: 00:29:46

can talk about Cavil more at the end

680

: 00:29:48

Xhafer: Yeah

681

: 00:29:49

Laura: Caprica tells Gaius that she's

proud of him and she always wanted

682

: 00:29:53

to be That was the only thing missing

from our relationship really was that

683

: 00:29:57

you weren't somebody to be proud of

684

: 00:29:59

Xhafer: Yeah

685

: 00:30:00

Laura: Which for some reason they

find very romantic and kiss each other

686

: 00:30:05

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

687

: 00:30:05

Laura: Uh

688

: 00:30:06

Xhafer: they

689

: 00:30:08

Laura: yes

690

: 00:30:09

Xhafer: kiss, this kiss, this kiss.

691

: 00:30:12

6BT and Grakish show up

to be like, "Yeah, guys."

692

: 00:30:17

And then they realize that

they see both of them and that

693

: 00:30:20

they both see both of them

694

: 00:30:22

Laura: Yeah This is funny I mean

695

: 00:30:26

Xhafer: Yeah.

696

: 00:30:27

Laura: Gracas suit for

some reason and his hair

697

: 00:30:30

Xhafer: His hair, he's so greasy

698

: 00:30:32

Laura: he's so greasy and untrustworthy

just don't like it But yep we can see

699

: 00:30:38

each other and they're just so pleased

about how the plan is coming together

700

: 00:30:42

Xhafer: Yep Cylons begin to pour

into Galactica as Boomer carrying

701

: 00:30:47

Hera makes it to the strike team.

702

: 00:30:50

Athena takes Hera, tells Athena

to tell Adama that she owed him

703

: 00:30:55

one, and then Athena kills Boomer

704

: 00:30:58

Laura: Yeah Uh you think that

the one that she owes Adama is

705

: 00:31:04

the fact that she fucking shot

706

: 00:31:06

Xhafer: Shot him?

707

: 00:31:07

No.

708

: 00:31:07

No, that would be, that, that, that'd

be paying off the plot that we've

709

: 00:31:11

already seen, and we can't do that with

all these flashback budget we've got.

710

: 00:31:16

So instead, we flash back to Boomer

failing landing protocols on Galactica,

711

: 00:31:21

where she's gonna wash out of the

military, and Adama gives her one

712

: 00:31:26

more chance, so she owed him one.

713

: 00:31:28

And Adama's all like, "Oh, you know,

they never pay you back for the ones

714

: 00:31:32

they owe, especially the ones that,

you know, owe you their lives."

715

: 00:31:36

She's like, "No, Papa Adama, one

day I'm gonna pay you back when

716

: 00:31:39

it really means it, and it's

not gonna be not shooting you."

717

: 00:31:48

Laura: This is so silly and I am a little

718

: 00:31:51

Xhafer: This is the dumbest flashback.

719

: 00:31:55

This actively takes away

from the characters.

720

: 00:31:59

I hate this flashback

721

: 00:32:00

Laura: I would be fine with it I guess

if it wasn't so strange Cause like the

722

: 00:32:07

whole time also that they're dressing her

down a little bit and telling her like

723

: 00:32:12

You have one last chance You're washing

724

: 00:32:14

Xhafer: Угу.

725

: 00:32:17

Laura: but you have one more chance

The whole time they're giving her this

726

: 00:32:20

serious talk Sol and Adama are drinking

727

: 00:32:25

Xhafer: Yeah.

728

: 00:32:25

Laura: drunk

729

: 00:32:27

Xhafer: Yeah.

730

: 00:32:27

Laura: like I guess what they're

trying to show is that life before

731

: 00:32:30

the fall was different I guess

732

: 00:32:33

Xhafer: Yeah

733

: 00:32:34

Laura: and they were like not taking

their work so seriously I guess But I

734

: 00:32:40

don't know I didn't like it I was like

735

: 00:32:43

Xhafer: I, God, it's shit like this

that makes me look at this and go,

736

: 00:32:48

"I think I could edit this two-hour,

30-minute episode into a lean hour 15

737

: 00:32:54

that is a better feeling finale to me."

738

: 00:32:57

And it'd be just for me.

739

: 00:32:59

I wouldn't do it for anyone else.

740

: 00:33:00

I'd just, like, cut out

all this flashback shit.

741

: 00:33:03

I'm gonna cut out maybe 20

minutes of the last 30 minutes.

742

: 00:33:07

Laura: うーん

743

: 00:33:09

Xhafer: And cut out the aggrandizing

space porn in the beginning.

744

: 00:33:13

And I wonder where that puts

this episode in terms of time

745

: 00:33:18

Laura: Mmhmm

746

: 00:33:19

Xhafer: Maybe, yeah, we'll see.

747

: 00:33:20

I haven't done video editing in a while.

748

: 00:33:21

That might be a fun

little side thing to try

749

: 00:33:24

Laura: I guess what they're trying

to do with this flashback is that

750

: 00:33:28

like we had had this impression

of Boomer Adama as like Boomer

751

: 00:33:37

was almost like second daughter to

752

: 00:33:40

Xhafer: Yeah

753

: 00:33:40

Laura: and so they're trying to like

Ah yes and here's why he gave her a

754

: 00:33:44

second chance And you think that this

is about you know this I owe you one

755

: 00:33:49

is about the fact that she shot him but

actually they had this secret private

756

: 00:33:53

thing that it's really about and no

one else knows and Adama may never know

757

: 00:33:58

But she's paying that debt back not

this other debt And I'm like Eh okay I

758

: 00:34:04

Xhafer: Do you think Athena, like, brings

Hera back, talks to the old man and goes,

759

: 00:34:08

"Hey, I fucking killed Boomer for you.

760

: 00:34:10

By the way, she said she owed you one.

761

: 00:34:13

Because we have the same brain up

until a certain point, she meant it for

762

: 00:34:17

this thing, but that's fucking weird.

763

: 00:34:18

She should have meant it for shooting

you, so I just took the bitch out."

764

: 00:34:21

Laura: I hope so I

765

: 00:34:22

Xhafer: Right?

766

: 00:34:23

Laura: that out and he got

to know But yeah we got sick

767

: 00:34:28

bay Ishay's calling for help

768

: 00:34:31

Xhafer: Yeah, it's a bad day.

769

: 00:34:32

Laura: trying to comfort this guy

who is spurting things Like we got

770

: 00:34:37

something is spurting That is never good

in the first aid world Uh and Rosalyn

771

: 00:34:46

cannot or doesn't grab the marker

and Ishay quickly puts an X on this

772

: 00:34:53

guy and is like No no no While while

773

: 00:34:54

Xhafer: Yeah.

774

: 00:34:55

Laura: to say It's gonna be

okay so not good at triage

775

: 00:34:59

nurse but what can you do She

776

: 00:35:02

Xhafer: Yeah

777

: 00:35:03

Laura: of her own drugs

778

: 00:35:06

Xhafer: Uh, We see Gaius and Caprica

take out a centurion as Lee and

779

: 00:35:10

the remaining strike team and the

raptor group, , fall into the ship.

780

: 00:35:15

Laura: Yeah they they met up and

retraced their steps back They had

781

: 00:35:17

told uh for some reason as Athena's

talking to Boomer like Well you can't

782

: 00:35:25

go back to your ship just so you know

783

: 00:35:27

Xhafer: Yeah

784

: 00:35:27

Laura: shoot me and Athena's like

Well we weren't gonna do that anyway

785

: 00:35:31

And Starbuck is like Hey maybe

don't tell this bad Cylon our plan

786

: 00:35:41

And then we meet up with

Lee real quick cause that

787

: 00:35:43

Xhafer: Yeah

788

: 00:35:44

Laura: was like We are taking this other

exit out that maybe hadn't anticipated so

789

: 00:35:51

Xhafer: Yeah.

790

: 00:35:52

Uh, Lee stays with, Gaius and Caprica

to defend as Rosalyn takes some stims

791

: 00:35:59

to keep pushing through and helping out.

792

: 00:36:01

She sees the opera house, and

she starts moving to Hera.

793

: 00:36:06

Adoral shoots Helo, and Hera runs off.

794

: 00:36:10

Helo grabs his own tourniquet to

stop the bleeding, to give Athena

795

: 00:36:14

the ability to chase after Hera

796

: 00:36:17

Laura: Yeah he's Like Go get our

daughter And she's like But you'll

797

: 00:36:20

die And he's like I won't but you

gotta go get our little girl who's

798

: 00:36:24

now running through a war zone

799

: 00:36:26

Xhafer: Yeah, this, this

is a little more important.

800

: 00:36:28

I'll just sit here and

hold this tourniquet.

801

: 00:36:30

It'll be fine.

802

: 00:36:31

And we get the opera house vision.

803

: 00:36:34

There's a lot of this as it's cutting

in and out, so we'll see stuff happen

804

: 00:36:38

in the real world, and then we'll see

stuff happen in the opera house vision

805

: 00:36:43

as they kinda like overlap and overlay.

806

: 00:36:45

, Cavil boards Galactica with

a handful of Centurions.

807

: 00:36:49

Rosalyn takes Hera and hides from Cavil

and those Centurions as they move past,

808

: 00:36:55

but when she, like, gets up, Hera is gone.

809

: 00:36:58

Uh, and she runs into Gaius and

Caprica Six, just like the vision.

810

: 00:37:02

Laura: Угу

811

: 00:37:04

Xhafer: see each other at, like, the

end of a hallway, just like they saw

812

: 00:37:07

each other from across in the dream.

813

: 00:37:10

And then we see the end.

814

: 00:37:11

Gaius and Six get Hera.

815

: 00:37:15

They go into CIC, and they see the

final five on the balcony above them,

816

: 00:37:21

Laura: Yeah they are

817

: 00:37:22

Xhafer: is them

818

: 00:37:23

Laura: perfectly still when

we see that the rest of CIC

819

: 00:37:26

is fucking chaos around them

820

: 00:37:31

Xhafer: is so weird.

821

: 00:37:32

Like, I know we're, like, doing

the Vision thing, but, like, why

822

: 00:37:36

are they just standing there on

the edge to match the like…

823

: 00:37:40

They could have, like, been doing

stuff and been laid out in a

824

: 00:37:43

way where the set design could

have allowed for it to be both

825

: 00:37:48

Laura: Mmhmm

826

: 00:37:49

Xhafer: of them just like, "Ah."

827

: 00:37:50

Laura: They are standing like

arms at sides Everybody is just

828

: 00:37:54

staring straight forward arms at

829

: 00:37:56

Xhafer: Yeah.

830

: 00:37:56

Laura: And I was like no it could've been

more natural It could've been like Ellen

831

: 00:37:59

is is looking at Anders or something

832

: 00:38:03

Xhafer: Yeah.

833

: 00:38:04

Laura: uh Saul is trying

to draw his gun Like it

834

: 00:38:08

Xhafer: Yeah

835

: 00:38:09

Laura: some motion

836

: 00:38:11

Xhafer: Do you think they're actually

doing that stuff and that this is

837

: 00:38:13

just the vision fucking with them?

838

: 00:38:15

Laura: That could be I guess Yeah

839

: 00:38:17

Xhafer: Yeah

840

: 00:38:17

Laura: we had like them standing

stock still but then we see that

841

: 00:38:20

they were actually like in those

places but moving then you're

842

: 00:38:23

Xhafer: Yeah.

843

: 00:38:24

Laura: they're just like seeing

844

: 00:38:27

Xhafer: Yeah, doing the thing.

845

: 00:38:28

Laura: or whatever Yeah yeah yeah

So got like a Simon who's like

846

: 00:38:34

clutching his chest or something

847

: 00:38:36

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

848

: 00:38:37

Laura: kicks him in the

butt and he falls over

849

: 00:38:40

Xhafer: Yeah.

850

: 00:38:43

Laura: So we're like people are

dead and dying all around but

851

: 00:38:47

Xhafer: Yeah.

852

: 00:38:47

Laura: fighting in CIC except for Gaius

and Hera and Six and the final five but

853

: 00:38:55

Cavil somehow gets in here and grabs Hera

854

: 00:39:00

and Gaius decides this is a great

time to just babble about religion

855

: 00:39:05

Xhafer: Yeah.

856

: 00:39:08

Laura: Can

857

: 00:39:09

Xhafer: He's…

858

: 00:39:09

Laura: this here instead

859

: 00:39:11

Xhafer: Yeah.

860

: 00:39:11

Laura: till the end

861

: 00:39:12

Xhafer: We can talk about

whatever you want, Laura.

862

: 00:39:15

That's fine.

863

: 00:39:16

Laura: So

864

: 00:39:17

Xhafer: about?

865

: 00:39:18

Laura: I know what is

happening here like logically

866

: 00:39:21

Xhafer: And, you know

that it will happen again.

867

: 00:39:24

Laura: I guess

868

: 00:39:25

Xhafer: Yeah.

869

: 00:39:25

Eh, the thing…

870

: 00:39:27

, continue, sorry

871

: 00:39:27

Laura: I just am so confused

as to why this works on Cavill

872

: 00:39:34

Because he spent all that time in a

couple episodes back mocking Ellen

873

: 00:39:40

Xhafer: Yeah.

874

: 00:39:41

Laura: kinda mocking God He doesn't

believe in God We know that Like

875

: 00:39:45

he doesn't believe in higher powers

876

: 00:39:47

Xhafer: Yeah

877

: 00:39:48

Laura: I think in his very first

episode with Tyrell he's like a

878

: 00:39:50

priest but he doesn't believe in

God and that's like the joke right

879

: 00:39:54

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

880

: 00:39:56

Laura: yet Gaius religious babble is

so convincing and honestly I'm gonna

881

: 00:40:01

be honest with everybody here cause

that's why why even have a podcast

882

: 00:40:04

if you can't be honest with the tens

of thousands of people who to you

883

: 00:40:09

Xhafer: Yeah

884

: 00:40:09

Laura: who they are I couldn't follow

this Like I don't know if it's just

885

: 00:40:14

like the pace of everything up until

this moment or what is happening but was

886

: 00:40:21

saying a bunch of words I didn't know

what any I was not paying attention or

887

: 00:40:27

something Like I could not absorb them

888

: 00:40:29

Xhafer: Uh, there's God.

889

: 00:40:31

Uh, you know, and Kev's like,

"How do I know God's on my side?"

890

: 00:40:35

And Gaius is all like, "God

doesn't take sides, y'all.

891

: 00:40:38

It's God.

892

: 00:40:39

It's, there's not good or evil.

893

: 00:40:42

Those are our

894

: 00:40:45

constructs."

895

: 00:40:47

Ooh.

896

: 00:40:48

It's, it's, it's on the cutting room

floor on my hour 15 cut of this.

897

: 00:40:54

In fact, I would cut this speech.

898

: 00:40:58

I would cut the entire

temporary ceasefire.

899

: 00:41:04

I'd cut all that.

900

: 00:41:05

I'd cut the giving them resurrection.

901

: 00:41:08

I'd cut killing Tory.

902

: 00:41:10

To cut the flashback with Galen later.

903

: 00:41:12

None of this means anything.

904

: 00:41:14

None of it has no impact on the plot.

905

: 00:41:16

It's a temporary thing, and it feels

like it's filler, and I didn't like it.

906

: 00:41:21

It's the…

907

: 00:41:22

For a finale that has some really

strong points in it and some really

908

: 00:41:26

good character moments, some of this is

just taking it all away for no reason.

909

: 00:41:33

Gaius doesn't need this speech

910

: 00:41:35

Laura: I feel like I was supposed

to be just so distracted by

911

: 00:41:41

how charismatic James Callis is

912

: 00:41:44

Xhafer: Yeah, right.

913

: 00:41:45

Laura: this

914

: 00:41:45

Xhafer: He's good at it.

915

: 00:41:46

Laura: and I was supposed to not notice

that this goes entirely against what

916

: 00:41:53

Cavill's been about up until this point

917

: 00:41:56

Xhafer: Yeah

918

: 00:41:57

Laura: I did not like that very much

but Saul is the one who says We're gonna

919

: 00:42:04

give you resurrection if you just give

us Hera and we can all go our separate

920

: 00:42:08

ways okay Okay buddy Uh and so that's

when we do cease fire We do stand down

921

: 00:42:16

and we're gonna have a different moment

so all the Vipers and Raptors get to come

922

: 00:42:20

back Everybody's back on board Athena

Hera The five have to all interface

923

: 00:42:29

Apparently that's been the secret all

along was not mentioned up until this

924

: 00:42:33

moment either is that the five each

know a piece of resurrection and you had

925

: 00:42:39

to have all of them in order to get it

926

: 00:42:43

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

927

: 00:42:44

Laura: So

928

: 00:42:45

Xhafer: Sure

929

: 00:42:46

Laura: just trying to take it out of Ellen

wasn't gonna work but nobody knew that

930

: 00:42:49

until this moment I kinda wish this had

been mentioned earlier is all I'm saying

931

: 00:42:54

Xhafer: It's like, hey, you know,

we never really touched back on

932

: 00:42:57

the fact that Tori killed Callie.

933

: 00:43:00

We should probably have

Galen find out somehow.

934

: 00:43:03

How do we wanna do that?"

935

: 00:43:05

And so like, what if we have

all the final five mind meld?

936

: 00:43:09

Laura: Yeah So they have to mind meld

to give the resurrection into the

937

: 00:43:13

goo the hybrid goo which will then

go in the data stream because we're

938

: 00:43:18

gonna mind meld everyone is gonna

know everything about everyone else

939

: 00:43:24

Xhafer: Yep.

940

: 00:43:25

Laura: Which you know there is the

whole Tory killed Callie problem

941

: 00:43:31

Xhafer: Yeah

942

: 00:43:32

Laura: we were told a couple

episodes back that Tyrell and

943

: 00:43:36

Tory had been married correct

944

: 00:43:39

Xhafer: Yeah

945

: 00:43:40

Laura: And you know the fuck around

four couldn't remember it because their

946

: 00:43:46

memories were still blocked and all

that But it seems like Ellen knows their

947

: 00:43:50

every like their whole lives before

948

: 00:43:53

Xhafer: So this should get all of that.

949

: 00:43:55

Laura: she

950

: 00:43:55

Xhafer: It does feel like that

951

: 00:43:57

Laura: So Tyrell shouldn't

be just seeing like killed my

952

: 00:44:02

wife but she was also my wife

953

: 00:44:06

Xhafer: Yeah.

954

: 00:44:06

2,000 years of memories from

Ellen of their past that

955

: 00:44:11

they suddenly get access to?

956

: 00:44:14

Laura: Even if they didn't know each

other all: 2000

957

: 00:44:16

clearly knew each other for a time while

they were had this plot that they were

958

: 00:44:20

Xhafer: Yeah

959

: 00:44:20

Laura: right So even then he could

have seen through Ellen's eyes them

960

: 00:44:24

interacting as husband and wife and that

just doesn't enter into this anywhere

961

: 00:44:32

Xhafer: Welcome, welcome

to Battlestar Galactica.

962

: 00:44:35

first time, I know.

963

: 00:44:37

Laura: Mmhmm

964

: 00:44:38

Xhafer: yeah.

965

: 00:44:38

Yep, it's indefensible.

966

: 00:44:40

You're right.

967

: 00:44:42

Laura: yeah

968

: 00:44:42

Xhafer: the logic of the own show

969

: 00:44:44

Laura: I don't don't mind what happens

So as Simon is reporting that the

970

: 00:44:50

resurrection data is good things

are going We also see that Tyrell is

971

: 00:44:54

seeing Callie's death and he loses it

And Anders and all the hybrids start

972

: 00:45:00

screaming as he snaps Tori's neck Like

973

: 00:45:03

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

974

: 00:45:04

Laura: I guess I don't mind that Tyrell

is like so hurt but I feel like you could

975

: 00:45:11

have acknowledged that like the past

that they had in that painful moment And

976

: 00:45:21

so he's seeing like not only did Tori

betray me but she was my wife and she

977

: 00:45:26

betrayed me also I don't know it just

978

: 00:45:29

Xhafer: Yeah.

979

: 00:45:31

Laura: it wasn't enough

It wasn't complete to me

980

: 00:45:34

Xhafer: Yeah.

981

: 00:45:36

Laura: but yeah the data

stream stops and this is very

982

: 00:45:38

Xhafer: Yeah

983

: 00:45:39

Laura: things are moving fast It was

chaotic To me everyone just started

984

: 00:45:42

firing and for some reason Cavill who

has been pretty crafty and resilient up

985

: 00:45:49

Xhafer: Yeah, he's just like, "Nope."

986

: 00:45:51

Laura: Yep I oh no

987

: 00:45:54

Xhafer: It doesn't, it doesn't feel right.

988

: 00:45:57

I think you can cut this in a way where

the fighting never stops, Cavill realizes

989

: 00:46:01

he's gonna lose, and just kills himself

990

: 00:46:04

Laura: You could do that yeah

991

: 00:46:05

Xhafer: is what I, as I keep selling

myself on making this cut mentally

992

: 00:46:09

while we're having this conversation,

well, that's how I'll handle it

993

: 00:46:13

Laura: I mean even if like you kept

this to me Cavill realizes Oh crap

994

: 00:46:19

this is going south He turns to run

and somebody shoots him in the back

995

: 00:46:23

Xhafer: Yeah.

996

: 00:46:24

Laura: I don't know That

997

: 00:46:25

Xhafer: Yeah, that feels more Cavill.

998

: 00:46:28

Laura: Yeah

999

: 00:46:29

Xhafer: Racetrack fires off all the nukes.

: 1000

00:46:33,148 --> 00:46:33,438

Laura: Yeah

: 1001

00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,780

Xhafer: just, like, barely alive

: 1002

00:46:35,728 --> 00:46:41,148

Laura: so was the I I wasn't clear

on it Was the plan with Racetrack

: 1003

00:46:41,148 --> 00:46:45,298

and Skulls they were gonna hover out

here and wait to throw the nukes at

: 1004

00:46:45,298 --> 00:46:48,068

some point Or were they supposed to

be going in with the other Raptors

: 1005

00:46:48,088 --> 00:46:49,778

but they also had their nukes ready

: 1006

00:46:49,838 --> 00:46:54,148

Xhafer: I think maybe the raptors

all had nukes and they were gonna…

: 1007

00:46:54,198 --> 00:46:55,648

That was part of the exit plan.

: 1008

00:46:56,098 --> 00:46:57,248

Or I don't know.

: 1009

00:46:57,408 --> 00:46:58,028

I don't know

: 1010

00:46:58,211 --> 00:47:00,781

Laura: Yeah I I cause I could see

it being like Well we're gonna

: 1011

00:47:00,781 --> 00:47:02,471

keep this one raptor out here

: 1012

00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:03,410

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1013

00:47:03,501 --> 00:47:07,261

Laura: about and if everything

goes tits up it fires all the nukes

: 1014

00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:08,160

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1015

00:47:08,331 --> 00:47:11,781

Laura: but it it also seemed like because

they got hit by the asteroid they were

: 1016

00:47:11,781 --> 00:47:13,411

just disabled out there and they were

: 1017

00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:13,840

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1018

00:47:13,931 --> 00:47:17,921

Laura: have gone in with everybody else

I don't know how Racetrack knows when to

: 1019

00:47:17,921 --> 00:47:20,291

fire these nukes but good timing I guess

: 1020

00:47:20,818 --> 00:47:22,768

Xhafer: Yeah, if it had been 10

minutes earlier, that would've been

: 1021

00:47:22,868 --> 00:47:25,268

bad for everyone, but it works out.

: 1022

00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:28,783

Laura: just been open this whole time

and she heard everything in there I

: 1023

00:47:28,830 --> 00:47:29,320

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1024

00:47:29,543 --> 00:47:32,223

Laura: Or maybe it's supposed to

be divine intervention Whatever

: 1025

00:47:32,292 --> 00:47:32,792

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1026

00:47:33,029 --> 00:47:38,109

So Galactica pulls out and they need

to jump the ship, and Starbuck's the

: 1027

00:47:38,109 --> 00:47:42,469

one at the FTL panel, so she has to

enter the coordinates, and she puts the

: 1028

00:47:42,469 --> 00:47:46,509

coordinates from the song to jump the ship

: 1029

00:47:52,362 --> 00:47:53,772

Laura: She's she hears her dad saying

Hey trust yourself Um she sees like

: 1030

00:47:53,792 --> 00:47:59,222

visions of the piano and hears stars

and just keeps playing the song

: 1031

00:47:59,222 --> 00:48:00,562

on the keyboard cause she already

: 1032

00:48:00,729 --> 00:48:01,199

Xhafer: Yep

: 1033

00:48:01,402 --> 00:48:02,462

Laura: what numbers are what

: 1034

00:48:02,991 --> 00:48:07,071

, Xhafer: We cut back to Kara and Lee

drinking next to the passed out Zach.

: 1035

00:48:07,571 --> 00:48:11,291

Kara says she isn't scared of dying,

she's only scared of being forgotten.

: 1036

00:48:11,861 --> 00:48:16,261

This is the only part of any of these

flashbacks that I think is meaningful

: 1037

00:48:17,576 --> 00:48:19,896

Laura: Hmm Okay Yeah Sure

: 1038

00:48:20,292 --> 00:48:22,402

Xhafer: j- and just, just this line.

: 1039

00:48:22,622 --> 00:48:27,232

If there's a way to do these flashbacks

with keeping this line in a way that

: 1040

00:48:27,232 --> 00:48:30,352

makes sense with the other flash- a

little bit of the other flashbacks maybe.

: 1041

00:48:31,162 --> 00:48:32,682

Uh, but I don't know.

: 1042

00:48:33,694 --> 00:48:34,674

we see Galactica.

: 1043

00:48:34,865 --> 00:48:35,815

Laura: jump though This is

: 1044

00:48:35,874 --> 00:48:36,444

Xhafer: This is the,

: 1045

00:48:36,535 --> 00:48:36,885

Laura: talking

: 1046

00:48:36,954 --> 00:48:38,224

Xhafer: this is the big creek.

: 1047

00:48:38,574 --> 00:48:40,774

This is me, uh, this…

: 1048

00:48:40,774 --> 00:48:45,504

Galactica is like my back at the

chiropractor in this, where it

: 1049

00:48:45,504 --> 00:48:49,574

is just all out of place and we

hope it just settles correctly.

: 1050

00:48:49,963 --> 00:48:50,623

Laura: Yep

: 1051

00:48:51,214 --> 00:48:52,264

Xhafer: The

: 1052

00:48:52,643 --> 00:48:56,173

Laura: the first time Galactica jumped

into the colony I was like I didn't hear a

: 1053

00:48:56,173 --> 00:49:02,273

creak Jafer talked about a creak realized

oh yes we can jump one more time so

: 1054

00:49:02,798 --> 00:49:03,178

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1055

00:49:03,333 --> 00:49:04,933

Laura: is that is the creaky bits

: 1056

00:49:05,013 --> 00:49:06,493

Xhafer: That is the creaky bits.

: 1057

00:49:07,043 --> 00:49:08,023

Wave.

: 1058

00:49:08,093 --> 00:49:08,623

Oh.

: 1059

00:49:09,057 --> 00:49:10,247

Laura: thing Not

: 1060

00:49:10,403 --> 00:49:12,383

Xhafer: It's like, it's

not supposed to do that.

: 1061

00:49:13,789 --> 00:49:16,649

Laura: Uh Adama's like

calling for the situation

: 1062

00:49:17,834 --> 00:49:18,264

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1063

00:49:18,699 --> 00:49:20,289

Laura: moping and thinking about Callie

: 1064

00:49:21,802 --> 00:49:22,342

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1065

00:49:22,502 --> 00:49:26,692

We get a flashback to Callie yelling

at him for being sloppy because

: 1066

00:49:26,692 --> 00:49:31,572

this was back when relationships on

board were super illegal, back when

: 1067

00:49:31,572 --> 00:49:33,492

there were a lot more people around.

: 1068

00:49:35,529 --> 00:49:38,359

Laura: Yes and he's being too careless

with Boomer cause she caught them

: 1069

00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:41,749

like in a closet or something And

: 1070

00:49:43,869 --> 00:49:49,919

tells him he needs to know the people he

can count on and those that he can't which

: 1071

00:49:50,649 --> 00:49:54,869

also didn't seem to be doing much for me

: 1072

00:49:55,176 --> 00:49:55,596

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1073

00:49:55,809 --> 00:50:00,939

Laura: line Like is it just a joke that

like ha ha Tyrell's never really gotten

: 1074

00:50:00,939 --> 00:50:06,529

it Like Tyrell's never really understood

who he could count on and who he couldn't

: 1075

00:50:07,456 --> 00:50:07,886

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1076

00:50:08,269 --> 00:50:09,709

Laura: It just seems like a ha ha moment

: 1077

00:50:10,766 --> 00:50:11,606

Xhafer: For sure.

: 1078

00:50:11,966 --> 00:50:13,656

Galactica will never jump again.

: 1079

00:50:14,106 --> 00:50:22,206

Rosalyn asks where we are, and we

zoom out to see the moon and Africa

: 1080

00:50:22,949 --> 00:50:24,069

Laura: It's real Earth

: 1081

00:50:25,032 --> 00:50:26,462

Xhafer: How did you feel in this moment?

: 1082

00:50:27,873 --> 00:50:32,147

Laura: I mean I kind of thought

it was clever in that like oh yeah

: 1083

00:50:32,147 --> 00:50:35,437

we never actually saw Earth when

: 1084

00:50:35,509 --> 00:50:35,939

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1085

00:50:36,697 --> 00:50:43,127

Laura: Like we were told Yep this is Earth

and it's dead Oopsie doodle But we never

: 1086

00:50:43,127 --> 00:50:45,817

actually saw the big blue marble you know

: 1087

00:50:46,229 --> 00:50:46,659

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1088

00:50:47,137 --> 00:50:50,037

They, they're very like, "Oh,

we put so much of that planet in

: 1089

00:50:50,037 --> 00:50:53,587

shadows that you just saw some

of the right colors and stuff,

: 1090

00:50:53,587 --> 00:50:53,967

Laura: Mm-hmm

: 1091

00:50:54,136 --> 00:50:56,616

Xhafer: clouds," and yep.

: 1092

00:50:58,542 --> 00:51:00,282

Laura: I don't hate it

: 1093

00:51:01,073 --> 00:51:01,703

Xhafer: You can.

: 1094

00:51:02,392 --> 00:51:04,212

Laura: I don't hate it I just

: 1095

00:51:04,213 --> 00:51:04,563

Xhafer: Okay

: 1096

00:51:04,712 --> 00:51:11,972

Laura: is kind of silly that then we

like have this discussion later with

: 1097

00:51:11,972 --> 00:51:15,967

Rosalind and Adama and Adama's like

Well this is Earth And I'm like Okay

: 1098

00:51:17,098 --> 00:51:17,548

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1099

00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:23,556

Laura: I don't know but we see them

like stalking a prehuman civilization

: 1100

00:51:23,957 --> 00:51:24,327

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1101

00:51:24,616 --> 00:51:27,396

Laura: and having a little jokey jokes

: 1102

00:51:28,365 --> 00:51:28,735

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1103

00:51:28,795 --> 00:51:33,905

We get Gaius, Hoshi, Adama, Cottle,

and Ty on the ground observing.

: 1104

00:51:34,795 --> 00:51:36,705

Cottle has tested some of their DNA.

: 1105

00:51:36,705 --> 00:51:41,975

He found some graves, and they are

compatible with colonial humanity

: 1106

00:51:42,836 --> 00:51:43,066

Laura: Mmhmm

: 1107

00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:49,629

Xhafer: So these are like Neanderthals,

and the colonials are like our protohumans

: 1108

00:51:50,071 --> 00:51:50,501

Laura: Yeah

: 1109

00:51:50,669 --> 00:51:52,449

Xhafer: like, our own

evolutionary history.

: 1110

00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:52,789

Laura: Okay

: 1111

00:51:53,205 --> 00:51:53,450

they

: 1112

00:51:53,613 --> 00:51:53,863

Xhafer: said

: 1113

00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:58,910

Laura: puzzled about how humans

could humanlike life could be here

: 1114

00:51:59,181 --> 00:51:59,741

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1115

00:51:59,741 --> 00:52:01,151

Gaius rambles.

: 1116

00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:06,938

It's all like, "The chances are

astronomically low, but still possible."

: 1117

00:52:09,397 --> 00:52:11,134

Laura: but this is it We gotta stay here

: 1118

00:52:12,053 --> 00:52:12,583

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1119

00:52:13,624 --> 00:52:14,994

Laura: cause Galactica's dead

: 1120

00:52:15,673 --> 00:52:16,013

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1121

00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:21,038

Laura: even though we do have a base

ship But yeah no I mean this seems right

: 1122

00:52:21,677 --> 00:52:22,017

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1123

00:52:22,038 --> 00:52:23,188

Laura: fine I guess

: 1124

00:52:24,017 --> 00:52:28,047

Xhafer: Lampkin and Hoshi talk city

planning, but Lee is all like, "No.

: 1125

00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:29,107

No.

: 1126

00:52:29,137 --> 00:52:31,567

Let's not do society, shall we?

: 1127

00:52:31,627 --> 00:52:35,617

let's just disperse ourselves amongst

the locals and hope for the best."

: 1128

00:52:36,305 --> 00:52:39,938

Laura: Yeah Romo just kind

of rolls over it this easier

: 1129

00:52:40,072 --> 00:52:40,532

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1130

00:52:40,868 --> 00:52:41,798

Laura: from his character

: 1131

00:52:42,822 --> 00:52:45,702

Xhafer: He is surprised

people are on board with this.

: 1132

00:52:46,382 --> 00:52:47,022

Same.

: 1133

00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,840

Laura: I mean same Yeah these people uh

and we're s we're supposed to believe that

: 1134

00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:59,330

these people have had such a hard time

They're ready to go back to the land You

: 1135

00:52:59,330 --> 00:53:01,490

know they've been four years in space They

: 1136

00:53:01,536 --> 00:53:02,006

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1137

00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:06,750

Laura: a simplistic little

thing but have you met people

: 1138

00:53:07,886 --> 00:53:08,226

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1139

00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:13,150

Laura: Have you met people who

like to be comfortable and don't

: 1140

00:53:13,150 --> 00:53:14,590

wanna give up their comforts

: 1141

00:53:15,652 --> 00:53:16,572

Xhafer: So much comfort.

: 1142

00:53:17,482 --> 00:53:22,782

And yeah, I mean, it's just like we're

gonna throw all the ships into the sun.

: 1143

00:53:23,242 --> 00:53:24,672

What's the worst that could happen?

: 1144

00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:30,566

Laura: Mmhmm well that then that

cause we did say Anders is gonna pilot

: 1145

00:53:30,566 --> 00:53:32,256

all the ships into the sun but we

: 1146

00:53:32,314 --> 00:53:32,664

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1147

00:53:32,796 --> 00:53:34,586

Laura: raptors on the ground at least one

: 1148

00:53:35,054 --> 00:53:35,664

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1149

00:53:35,876 --> 00:53:37,556

Laura: What's gonna happen to that raptor

: 1150

00:53:38,954 --> 00:53:38,964

Xhafer: Shh.

: 1151

00:53:38,974 --> 00:53:42,744

Uh, Adama is responsible for putting

it in the ocean at some point probably

: 1152

00:53:43,652 --> 00:53:47,402

Laura: I was like is Adama gonna

pilot it into the sun Because he's

: 1153

00:53:47,402 --> 00:53:49,812

lost mom and now he's very super sad

: 1154

00:53:50,778 --> 00:53:52,618

Xhafer: Yeah, we should,

we should get to that.

: 1155

00:53:52,698 --> 00:53:54,888

We got a little bit of scenes

before we get to that, but

: 1156

00:53:54,888 --> 00:53:55,908

we need to talk about that.

: 1157

00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:56,574

Laura: Okay

: 1158

00:53:56,838 --> 00:53:58,408

Xhafer: so we get some exposition.

: 1159

00:53:58,507 --> 00:54:02,302

The The Centurions are piecing on the

base ship, but the rebel Cylons are

: 1160

00:54:02,302 --> 00:54:06,142

staying on Earth and are going to disperse

themselves amongst the human population

: 1161

00:54:06,371 --> 00:54:08,011

Laura: Yeah they're gonna go help

: 1162

00:54:08,568 --> 00:54:08,878

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1163

00:54:10,021 --> 00:54:14,601

Laura: we're gonna give all the civilians

as much supplies as possible We're gonna

: 1164

00:54:14,601 --> 00:54:16,751

disperse them on all the continents

: 1165

00:54:17,148 --> 00:54:17,588

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1166

00:54:18,331 --> 00:54:22,131

Laura: Romo again is our skeptical

audience member going Well what

: 1167

00:54:22,131 --> 00:54:26,821

if those Centurions just gain

strength and come back later And

: 1168

00:54:26,832 --> 00:54:27,232

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1169

00:54:27,371 --> 00:54:34,257

Laura: take that chance I guess we do see

Starbuck talking to Anders She gives him a

: 1170

00:54:34,257 --> 00:54:37,514

kiss goodbye puts her dog tags in the goo

: 1171

00:54:38,011 --> 00:54:38,471

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

: 1172

00:54:38,874 --> 00:54:42,094

Laura: And he has a moment of

lucidity and tells her that he

: 1173

00:54:42,094 --> 00:54:43,624

will see her on the other side

: 1174

00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:44,919

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1175

00:54:45,584 --> 00:54:49,794

, We see just like it's planned, Adama's the

last one off the ship, flying that Viper.

: 1176

00:54:50,134 --> 00:54:54,494

He flies around a couple of times, and

then as the ships all fly into the sun,

: 1177

00:54:54,814 --> 00:54:57,204

the OG Battlestar Galactica theme plays

: 1178

00:54:57,945 --> 00:55:02,553

Laura: Yeah Oh so he also had a Viper on

the surface He has a Raptor and a Viper

: 1179

00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:04,320

Xhafer: Don't ask questions.

: 1180

00:55:06,020 --> 00:55:07,210

It's all part of his plan.

: 1181

00:55:07,863 --> 00:55:11,363

Laura: W Galactica looked really

rough They did a really good job with

: 1182

00:55:11,363 --> 00:55:14,813

these like digital assets or whatever

: 1183

00:55:15,033 --> 00:55:15,373

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1184

00:55:15,487 --> 00:55:19,307

Laura: Galactica was very convincingly

beaten up as it flies away

: 1185

00:55:20,023 --> 00:55:20,313

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1186

00:55:21,007 --> 00:55:23,717

Laura: We find out Tyrol's

gonna go be alone forever

: 1187

00:55:24,113 --> 00:55:24,443

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1188

00:55:24,723 --> 00:55:26,963

Tyrrell is gonna go, chill in Ireland.

: 1189

00:55:28,255 --> 00:55:28,585

Laura: Yep

: 1190

00:55:29,103 --> 00:55:29,493

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1191

00:55:29,713 --> 00:55:30,403

Just hanging out.

: 1192

00:55:31,163 --> 00:55:32,703

The Tys say goodbye to him.

: 1193

00:55:33,503 --> 00:55:38,513

We get a cut to Ty's retirement

party and how him and Ellen just

: 1194

00:55:38,513 --> 00:55:40,163

get to be together for forever now

: 1195

00:55:40,937 --> 00:55:42,237

Laura: Mmhmm Doing shots

: 1196

00:55:42,649 --> 00:55:43,009

Xhafer: Yep

: 1197

00:55:43,847 --> 00:55:49,237

Laura: Ty and Ellen definitely

immediately set up a still on this planet

: 1198

00:55:49,237 --> 00:55:53,407

right They're gonna introduce these

natives to alcohol and fermentation

: 1199

00:55:53,931 --> 00:55:54,781

Xhafer: For sure.

: 1200

00:55:56,567 --> 00:56:00,115

Mom and Dad are watching some

wildlife Roslyn asks if the planet

: 1201

00:56:00,135 --> 00:56:01,935

has a name, and Bill says, "Fuck it.

: 1202

00:56:02,365 --> 00:56:02,735

Earth."

: 1203

00:56:07,347 --> 00:56:07,927

Laura: Okay

: 1204

00:56:08,983 --> 00:56:10,303

Xhafer: You've had first breakfast.

: 1205

00:56:10,303 --> 00:56:11,863

How about second breakfast?

: 1206

00:56:14,349 --> 00:56:17,649

Laura: Yeah because Earth was

the dream That was the dream we

: 1207

00:56:17,649 --> 00:56:19,679

were chasing for most of the show

: 1208

00:56:20,023 --> 00:56:20,413

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1209

00:56:20,589 --> 00:56:21,929

Laura: let's let this be Earth

: 1210

00:56:22,323 --> 00:56:23,523

Xhafer: Yeah, we'll just say it's Earth.

: 1211

00:56:23,533 --> 00:56:25,173

I mean, we're naming planets.

: 1212

00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:25,583

Fuck it

: 1213

00:56:26,129 --> 00:56:29,306

Laura: Mmhmm she's not

breathing so good though

: 1214

00:56:30,085 --> 00:56:30,935

Xhafer: No.

: 1215

00:56:30,985 --> 00:56:34,415

, Bill puts her in the raptor so they

can get a closer look at some wildlife.

: 1216

00:56:34,935 --> 00:56:38,435

And as they're doing this, Lee and

Kara run over to say goodbye to Dad

: 1217

00:56:39,208 --> 00:56:40,898

Laura: Yeah it's real sad

: 1218

00:56:41,290 --> 00:56:41,800

Xhafer: yeah.

: 1219

00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,050

He, uh, he's like, "I ain't

got much time," you know?

: 1220

00:56:45,050 --> 00:56:46,190

And Lee's like, "I understand."

: 1221

00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:49,860

So he takes off, and Lee said that he

spent his childhood watching his dad

: 1222

00:56:49,890 --> 00:56:52,970

leave and wondering when he'd come

back, and this time he knows he isn't

: 1223

00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:54,900

Laura: Yeah

: 1224

00:56:55,804 --> 00:56:58,544

Xhafer: And then Kara's just

like, "Actually, now that you

: 1225

00:56:58,544 --> 00:57:00,354

mention it, I think I'm out too.

: 1226

00:57:00,804 --> 00:57:02,604

Uh, had a good run.

: 1227

00:57:03,204 --> 00:57:04,524

did what I needed to.

: 1228

00:57:05,024 --> 00:57:06,514

Everything feels good.

: 1229

00:57:07,314 --> 00:57:08,834

What are you gonna do

with your time, Lee?"

: 1230

00:57:08,894 --> 00:57:12,524

And as he starts to, like, talk about

it, he, like, looks away for a second,

: 1231

00:57:12,584 --> 00:57:16,884

and when he turns back, Kara has vanished

: 1232

00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:22,130

Laura: Yeah he's he's like I wanted

to be a lazy bones when this was all

: 1233

00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:26,210

over but I'm gonna go explore I'm

so excited And then Kara's just gone

: 1234

00:57:26,596 --> 00:57:27,106

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1235

00:57:27,130 --> 00:57:31,741

Th-th-they show us a flashback

in here of them almost fucking,

: 1236

00:57:32,826 --> 00:57:33,626

Laura: Yeah

: 1237

00:57:33,651 --> 00:57:36,901

Xhafer: which didn't need that

: 1238

00:57:37,822 --> 00:57:40,582

Laura: Yeah But we just need to

know that they've always been will

: 1239

00:57:40,582 --> 00:57:44,402

they won't they since even when

she was engaged to his brother

: 1240

00:57:44,901 --> 00:57:46,291

Xhafer: Ja, duh.

: 1241

00:57:46,512 --> 00:57:50,842

Laura: they were gonna do it that

very night after doing the shots on

: 1242

00:57:50,842 --> 00:57:58,032

the table but they broke a glass Zach

stirred enough to say Oh hey something

: 1243

00:57:58,042 --> 00:58:01,522

has broken like our relationship

: 1244

00:58:02,149 --> 00:58:02,699

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1245

00:58:03,439 --> 00:58:04,759

Symbolism.

: 1246

00:58:04,889 --> 00:58:06,609

I believe the word you're

looking for is symbolism.

: 1247

00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:17,379

Laura: And then uh Lee decides to

go like a gentleman and shake hands

: 1248

00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:18,430

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1249

00:58:19,007 --> 00:58:25,077

Uh, we cut to, Laura kicking Sam

out in her flashback and joining the

: 1250

00:58:25,157 --> 00:58:27,457

Mayor Adar's presidential campaign.

: 1251

00:58:27,952 --> 00:58:32,211

And then Adama flies Rosalyn

over a flock of flamingos.

: 1252

00:58:32,507 --> 00:58:37,507

We see her looking and then, she dies

rather than listen to Bill ramble on

: 1253

00:58:37,507 --> 00:58:39,657

about that fucking cabin one more time.

: 1254

00:58:40,511 --> 00:58:40,521

Laura: Uh

: 1255

00:58:41,827 --> 00:58:43,627

Xhafer: Guys, humor's

my defense mechanism.

: 1256

00:58:43,627 --> 00:58:45,067

This is big sads, okay?

: 1257

00:58:45,373 --> 00:58:48,313

Laura: big sads He starts crying when he

: 1258

00:58:48,491 --> 00:58:48,811

Xhafer: It's

: 1259

00:58:48,993 --> 00:58:50,613

Laura: that she's gone and I

: 1260

00:58:50,827 --> 00:58:51,417

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1261

00:58:52,177 --> 00:58:53,547

This is the saddest moment.

: 1262

00:58:53,647 --> 00:58:57,257

She finally, you know, she passes

as he's talking about building that

: 1263

00:58:57,257 --> 00:58:58,727

cabin together and all that stuff.

: 1264

00:58:58,737 --> 00:58:59,637

It's so sweet.

: 1265

00:58:59,647 --> 00:59:04,097

He holds her hand, he kisses her hand,

he puts his wedding ring on her finger

: 1266

00:59:04,563 --> 00:59:04,923

Laura: Mmhmm

: 1267

00:59:05,664 --> 00:59:08,884

Xhafer: And then he sets down at

the perfect spot to build the cabin.

: 1268

00:59:09,869 --> 00:59:11,839

Laura: Yep Uh

: 1269

00:59:11,874 --> 00:59:13,284

Xhafer: And then the episode ends

: 1270

00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:15,849

Laura: It felt like it should've

: 1271

00:59:15,896 --> 00:59:16,626

Xhafer: It should have.

: 1272

00:59:17,316 --> 00:59:21,386

But it doesn't, because we see a group

of survivors finding places to settle.

: 1273

00:59:21,836 --> 00:59:26,736

We see Gaius and Caprica Six see Helo,

Athena, and Hera talking when Six,

: 1274

00:59:26,736 --> 00:59:30,376

Baltar, and Gracchus tell them that

their lives will be significantly

: 1275

00:59:30,376 --> 00:59:33,046

less eventful, and then they vanish

: 1276

00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:35,789

Laura: Mmhmm Yeah

: 1277

00:59:38,063 --> 00:59:43,700

does say like be a farmer now

I know how to do that And that

: 1278

00:59:43,748 --> 00:59:44,198

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1279

00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,840

Laura: liked that cause we did find

out that the whole Aralon thing was

: 1280

00:59:49,870 --> 00:59:53,790

real and I was like I kinda like this

for him like a return to the earth

: 1281

00:59:54,548 --> 00:59:55,018

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

: 1282

00:59:55,060 --> 00:59:59,820

Laura: Like I am accepting that I'm

no longer the most special boy it

: 1283

00:59:59,820 --> 01:00:06,703

feels like so I didn't I didn't hate

that part but yeah he sees himself

: 1284

01:00:07,663 --> 01:00:10,613

meeting up with Caprica back on Caprica

: 1285

01:00:11,269 --> 01:00:12,550

Xhafer: Угу

: 1286

01:00:13,483 --> 01:00:17,283

Laura: talking about how he can get

her into the mainframe for her l

: 1287

01:00:17,343 --> 01:00:24,213

little curiosity tour I guess but

he's counting on her discretion and he

: 1288

01:00:24,213 --> 01:00:29,974

makes a remark about the things that

we do for love And Caprica's like Love

: 1289

01:00:31,233 --> 01:00:31,803

Xhafer: Ooh.

: 1290

01:00:31,923 --> 01:00:31,943

Yeah

: 1291

01:00:32,204 --> 01:00:36,474

Laura: Love I'm so excited And then

he's like You know you know what I mean

: 1292

01:00:36,484 --> 01:00:44,844

Like You know it's just a phrase kinda

thing I'm just a guy and I wondered if

: 1293

01:00:45,094 --> 01:00:51,094

this scene was telling me that if he

had admitted that this was love that

: 1294

01:00:51,094 --> 01:00:57,014

Caprica wouldn't have done it like

she wouldn't have gone through with it

: 1295

01:00:57,129 --> 01:00:59,519

Xhafer: whole show, all those dead people

: 1296

01:01:00,124 --> 01:01:06,824

Laura: Yeah It kinda seems like at

least this Six woulda backed out know

: 1297

01:01:06,901 --> 01:01:07,431

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1298

01:01:07,654 --> 01:01:10,954

Laura: all the stuff woulda still

happened but maybe not through

: 1299

01:01:10,954 --> 01:01:12,544

this channel I don't know It

: 1300

01:01:12,732 --> 01:01:13,082

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1301

01:01:13,254 --> 01:01:13,634

Laura: about

: 1302

01:01:14,333 --> 01:01:14,567

Xhafer: see.

: 1303

01:01:14,657 --> 01:01:16,757

Adama talks to Rosalyn at her grave.

: 1304

01:01:17,327 --> 01:01:21,797

The heavenly eastern

sunrise reminds him of her.

: 1305

01:01:22,927 --> 01:01:24,557

He looks over at the hills.

: 1306

01:01:24,597 --> 01:01:30,707

We see this beautiful, beautiful

landscape, and then the episode ends.

: 1307

01:01:31,817 --> 01:01:35,437

And done, nothing else definitely

happens this time, right?

: 1308

01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:38,810

Laura: Is this the last 30

seconds that everybody hates or

: 1309

01:01:39,043 --> 01:01:39,613

Xhafer: Yes.

: 1310

01:01:39,943 --> 01:01:40,283

Yes.

: 1311

01:01:40,293 --> 01:01:41,793

This is, yeah, this little bit here.

: 1312

01:01:42,293 --> 01:01:44,043

Uh, we cut to the present day.

: 1313

01:01:44,496 --> 01:01:48,666

survivor count 6 billion, 700 million.

: 1314

01:01:50,446 --> 01:01:51,936

and hey, Ronald D.

: 1315

01:01:51,936 --> 01:01:52,516

is here

: 1316

01:01:54,537 --> 01:01:58,417

Laura: It's like okay I don't

hate Ronald D being here It's

: 1317

01:01:58,427 --> 01:01:59,647

really funny that they're

: 1318

01:01:59,714 --> 01:02:04,484

Xhafer: people give that out of everything

to give this sequence shit about.

: 1319

01:02:04,804 --> 01:02:05,374

the Ronald D.

: 1320

01:02:05,374 --> 01:02:07,954

Moore cameo is the thing

people seem to latch onto.

: 1321

01:02:08,314 --> 01:02:09,994

I could not give a shit.

: 1322

01:02:10,174 --> 01:02:11,304

That's fun

: 1323

01:02:11,685 --> 01:02:16,175

Laura: Yeah I don't care about the

Ronald E cameo He deserves it He

: 1324

01:02:16,418 --> 01:02:16,838

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1325

01:02:17,365 --> 01:02:21,875

Laura: And it's not like I

don't know super invasive Like

: 1326

01:02:22,028 --> 01:02:22,428

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1327

01:02:22,445 --> 01:02:25,805

Laura: himself lines He's just

holding the newspaper or whatever

: 1328

01:02:26,524 --> 01:02:28,514

Xhafer: He's not trying to

sneak a SAG card or something

: 1329

01:02:28,564 --> 01:02:29,884

like, "This is fine, guys."

: 1330

01:02:30,325 --> 01:02:34,395

Laura: yeah And you know we got 6BT

and Gracas are the real thing they're

: 1331

01:02:34,395 --> 01:02:36,045

talking over Ronald E's shoulder

: 1332

01:02:36,594 --> 01:02:36,764

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1333

01:02:36,845 --> 01:02:43,805

Laura: Um they aren't really impressed

with how Earth has turned out It's uh

: 1334

01:02:44,985 --> 01:02:52,935

up rather like other Earth Kobol and

Caprica but 6BT believes like Gracas

: 1335

01:02:52,955 --> 01:02:57,355

is pretty cynical but she's believing

that this will be better this time cause

: 1336

01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:57,910

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1337

01:02:57,975 --> 01:02:58,505

Laura: y you give a

: 1338

01:02:58,530 --> 01:02:59,760

Xhafer: Statistically it might be.

: 1339

01:02:59,965 --> 01:03:00,555

Laura: yeah

: 1340

01:03:01,420 --> 01:03:02,590

Xhafer: Maybe it won't happen again.

: 1341

01:03:03,121 --> 01:03:06,721

Laura: it's all God's plan but

Gracas says it doesn't like that name

: 1342

01:03:08,207 --> 01:03:08,417

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1343

01:03:09,611 --> 01:03:13,711

Laura: then we get some

robot montage to the end of

: 1344

01:03:13,925 --> 01:03:14,255

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1345

01:03:14,571 --> 01:03:15,291

Laura: robots and

: 1346

01:03:15,575 --> 01:03:16,025

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1347

01:03:16,181 --> 01:03:16,641

Laura: going on

: 1348

01:03:17,065 --> 01:03:20,345

Xhafer: As Jimi Hendrix's cover of

"All Along the Watchtower" plays,

: 1349

01:03:20,345 --> 01:03:22,055

the most famous version of the song.

: 1350

01:03:22,137 --> 01:03:26,597

Laura: Mmhmm Jafare I'm gonna

suggest one thing to punch up this

: 1351

01:03:26,725 --> 01:03:27,035

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1352

01:03:27,327 --> 01:03:31,357

Laura: Just really punch it up

Have you been seeing this footage

: 1353

01:03:31,407 --> 01:03:33,797

of the robot Olympics from China

: 1354

01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:38,047

Xhafer: All the robots

falling over and stuff.

: 1355

01:03:38,561 --> 01:03:41,501

Laura: All the robots falling over

I think that that would just be

: 1356

01:03:41,501 --> 01:03:45,871

a real real chef's kiss on this

: 1357

01:03:46,737 --> 01:03:48,647

Xhafer: Just all the

robots messing up, yeah.

: 1358

01:03:51,007 --> 01:03:55,027

People tricking GPT with how many

Rs are in strawberry and stuff.

: 1359

01:03:55,395 --> 01:03:56,035

Laura: Mmhmm

: 1360

01:03:58,895 --> 01:04:00,495

Yeah And that's it

: 1361

01:04:01,195 --> 01:04:05,235

Xhafer: that's the actual end of the show.

: 1362

01:04:06,855 --> 01:04:07,625

Now

: 1363

01:04:08,376 --> 01:04:08,596

Laura: Mmhmm

: 1364

01:04:08,675 --> 01:04:10,055

Xhafer: we can talk

about whatever you want.

: 1365

01:04:10,625 --> 01:04:15,255

We do have an episode set aside next

week to talk about our thoughts and

: 1366

01:04:15,255 --> 01:04:16,865

feelings of the series in general

: 1367

01:04:17,558 --> 01:04:21,328

So we can, you can save it for next week.

: 1368

01:04:22,638 --> 01:04:24,238

You can talk about it now.

: 1369

01:04:24,278 --> 01:04:24,878

If we just wanna…

: 1370

01:04:24,988 --> 01:04:26,368

Do you wanna rate this episode?

: 1371

01:04:26,468 --> 01:04:28,758

We should probably start there,

'cause that's the thing that we do

: 1372

01:04:28,904 --> 01:04:36,534

Laura: Here's what I propose We rate this

episode talk about two things next episode

: 1373

01:04:36,884 --> 01:04:44,684

I would love if you have some like recap

of like Remember this thing it didn't pan

: 1374

01:04:44,684 --> 01:04:47,534

out or remember when you said this thing

: 1375

01:04:48,130 --> 01:04:50,950

Xhafer: I would have to listen

to our entire podcast in,

: 1376

01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:52,600

like, three days to do that.

: 1377

01:04:52,684 --> 01:04:52,984

Laura: if you

: 1378

01:04:53,060 --> 01:04:53,470

Xhafer: I,

: 1379

01:04:53,494 --> 01:04:54,224

Laura: handy

: 1380

01:04:54,310 --> 01:04:55,590

Xhafer: I don't, no.

: 1381

01:04:55,904 --> 01:04:56,954

Laura: about something,

: 1382

01:04:57,184 --> 01:05:00,444

Xhafer: I mean, Laura, I do

have to tell you something.

: 1383

01:05:00,943 --> 01:05:01,473

Laura: Okay.

: 1384

01:05:02,014 --> 01:05:04,064

Xhafer: You're already in spoiler town.

: 1385

01:05:05,317 --> 01:05:06,147

Laura: Oh, somebody

: 1386

01:05:06,254 --> 01:05:07,844

Xhafer: did it 30 minutes ago.

: 1387

01:05:08,194 --> 01:05:10,884

Aaron, drop a little

Watchmen Ozymandias for me.

: 1388

01:05:15,299 --> 01:05:16,038

Laura: Okay

: 1389

01:05:16,426 --> 01:05:20,546

Xhafer: so maybe we can ask Spoiler

Town if there's stuff they wanna call

: 1390

01:05:20,546 --> 01:05:22,496

out to talk about in the recap episode.

: 1391

01:05:22,626 --> 01:05:23,356

We should do that.

: 1392

01:05:23,826 --> 01:05:27,056

Why don't you do that actually as

your first post in Spoiler Town?

: 1393

01:05:27,694 --> 01:05:28,574

Laura: sounds good.

: 1394

01:05:28,716 --> 01:05:30,216

Xhafer: Uh, ask them to link stuff.

: 1395

01:05:30,376 --> 01:05:36,088

I might have pinned things Uh, Okay, I've

got a couple pins in here that are…

: 1396

01:05:36,298 --> 01:05:39,898

there's a lot more in here, but

I've got two pins that I just saw

: 1397

01:05:39,918 --> 01:05:42,838

that I haven't thought about in two

years that are gonna be perfect.

: 1398

01:05:42,907 --> 01:05:43,747

Laura: Those will be useful.

: 1399

01:05:43,747 --> 01:05:44,047

Okay.

: 1400

01:05:44,087 --> 01:05:44,297

That's,

: 1401

01:05:44,438 --> 01:05:45,108

Xhafer: okay, so,

: 1402

01:05:45,187 --> 01:05:45,637

Laura: I want

: 1403

01:05:46,088 --> 01:05:46,438

Xhafer: okay.

: 1404

01:05:46,627 --> 01:05:47,207

Laura: episode,

: 1405

01:05:47,338 --> 01:05:49,598

Xhafer: And then I also have,

we did r- I did a recording with

: 1406

01:05:49,598 --> 01:05:51,408

Kristen, I did a recording with Bob,

: 1407

01:05:51,867 --> 01:05:52,197

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1408

01:05:52,238 --> 01:05:53,188

Xhafer: a recording with Ryan.

: 1409

01:05:53,188 --> 01:05:56,438

Ryan and I talked about the finale

and the show for 30 minutes.

: 1410

01:05:56,657 --> 01:05:56,957

Laura: Yeah.

: 1411

01:05:56,958 --> 01:06:00,568

Xhafer: know how much of that's gonna

end up in the recap episode, but, uh,

: 1412

01:06:00,568 --> 01:06:04,218

there's 30 minutes of us talking about

the end of this show on there as well.

: 1413

01:06:04,238 --> 01:06:05,738

So there's, we'll have things.

: 1414

01:06:06,138 --> 01:06:07,848

so let's talk about the two

things you wanna talk about.

: 1415

01:06:08,313 --> 01:06:08,683

Laura: Yeah,

: 1416

01:06:08,818 --> 01:06:09,718

Xhafer: rate the episode first?

: 1417

01:06:09,793 --> 01:06:11,153

Laura: I wanna rate the episode,

: 1418

01:06:11,228 --> 01:06:12,478

Xhafer: Okay, let's rate this episode

: 1419

01:06:12,833 --> 01:06:14,813

Laura: man, I hate to do this

: 1420

01:06:15,260 --> 01:06:17,690

Xhafer: On a scale of one to 13 colonies

: 1421

01:06:17,853 --> 01:06:18,173

Laura: really,

: 1422

01:06:18,190 --> 01:06:19,110

Xhafer: the last time.

: 1423

01:06:19,223 --> 01:06:20,103

Laura: a 13.

: 1424

01:06:20,133 --> 01:06:20,873

I did.

: 1425

01:06:21,020 --> 01:06:21,910

Xhafer: Yeah, it's not

: 1426

01:06:22,593 --> 01:06:24,443

Laura: it's just not because…

: 1427

01:06:24,583 --> 01:06:28,033

A- and I, I get the feeling I probably

don't hate it as much as other

: 1428

01:06:28,033 --> 01:06:30,453

people hated it 'cause I have the

: 1429

01:06:30,586 --> 01:06:35,766

Xhafer: I do think it holds up a lot

better in streaming consecutive weeks

: 1430

01:06:35,866 --> 01:06:38,946

world than it does with all the breaks.

: 1431

01:06:39,396 --> 01:06:44,736

And I think a big chunk of

that is you don't have time.

: 1432

01:06:45,446 --> 01:06:48,736

Like, by the virtue of watching

it every week, you don't have a

: 1433

01:06:48,736 --> 01:06:51,796

year and a half between seasons

to sit there and think about all

: 1434

01:06:51,806 --> 01:06:53,566

the plot holes and all that stuff.

: 1435

01:06:54,046 --> 01:06:56,136

I think the show benefits there.

: 1436

01:06:56,456 --> 01:07:00,176

And then I think the show benefits from

being able to, like, connect the dots

: 1437

01:07:00,176 --> 01:07:02,476

easier because everything is fresh.

: 1438

01:07:02,876 --> 01:07:05,646

So I think it ha- I think it works

both ways in the show's favor

: 1439

01:07:06,103 --> 01:07:09,160

Laura: Yeah not a 13.

: 1440

01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:09,779

I, I'll

: 1441

01:07:09,923 --> 01:07:10,193

Xhafer: No.

: 1442

01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:13,230

Laura: a nine, 'cause I did

probably like it better than a

: 1443

01:07:13,230 --> 01:07:14,770

lot of other people liked it.

: 1444

01:07:15,943 --> 01:07:16,373

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1445

01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:22,220

Laura: most distracting thing for

me resolving the colony and Cavill,

: 1446

01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:24,690

'cause it really felt like…

: 1447

01:07:24,730 --> 01:07:28,350

Maybe if I go back and read Gaius'

speech, 'cause, you know, sometimes

: 1448

01:07:28,350 --> 01:07:30,120

when everything is happening very fast,

: 1449

01:07:30,299 --> 01:07:30,839

Xhafer: N-no.

: 1450

01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:35,100

Laura: subtitles on, I don't,

like, absorb the content.

: 1451

01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:37,149

Xhafer: It's, it's self-aggrandizing.

: 1452

01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:38,129

It serves no purpose.

: 1453

01:07:38,149 --> 01:07:39,029

I-- No.

: 1454

01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:42,650

Laura: it just didn't

feel like anything to me,

: 1455

01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:43,029

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1456

01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:45,950

Laura: was very sad.

: 1457

01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:51,279

And if they were, trying to redeem

Gaius' character for me, like, in a, in

: 1458

01:07:51,279 --> 01:07:54,220

a sort of, grandiose way, they didn't.

: 1459

01:07:54,260 --> 01:07:58,930

The, the most redeeming thing to me at the

end was him going, "Well, I'm a farmer.

: 1460

01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:59,920

I know how to farm.

: 1461

01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:00,779

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1462

01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:01,510

Laura: can do this."

: 1463

01:08:01,779 --> 01:08:03,890

And, and even that was

just kinda like, eh.

: 1464

01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:08,050

He did, like, set himself up as

a leader with this whole group,

: 1465

01:08:08,050 --> 01:08:09,110

and then run away from that.

: 1466

01:08:10,236 --> 01:08:10,706

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1467

01:08:11,650 --> 01:08:14,800

Laura: It's very on brand, but

he wasn't really redeemed for

: 1468

01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,810

me, if they were aiming for that.

: 1469

01:08:17,529 --> 01:08:21,319

And his speech certainly didn't

fucking do that to me, and

: 1470

01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:22,830

Cavill was out of character.

: 1471

01:08:23,029 --> 01:08:28,080

Like, for me, what reduces this rating,

like, if you started with 13 points and

: 1472

01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,210

then you, lose them throughout, you know,

: 1473

01:08:30,304 --> 01:08:30,584

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1474

01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,800

Laura: things, it's that whole thing.

: 1475

01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:39,224

don't hate the thing with Tyrell snapping

Tory's neck and then, oops, that's the

: 1476

01:08:39,469 --> 01:08:39,788

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1477

01:08:40,203 --> 01:08:45,264

Laura: breaker, but we also didn't

acknowledge that supposedly they had

: 1478

01:08:45,264 --> 01:08:48,254

a big, long history with each other

that they don't know anything about.

: 1479

01:08:48,264 --> 01:08:50,174

They've never tried to explore it together

: 1480

01:08:50,849 --> 01:08:51,299

Xhafer: Mhm.

: 1481

01:08:51,354 --> 01:08:53,283

Laura: "Oh my God, can you

believe we were married?"

: 1482

01:08:53,344 --> 01:08:55,104

Like, "Do you remember anything?

: 1483

01:08:55,124 --> 01:08:56,274

Do you remember anything?"

: 1484

01:08:56,464 --> 01:08:58,134

They don't, talk about it ever.

: 1485

01:08:59,033 --> 01:09:01,964

That resolution wasn't satisfying,

and it felt like they were trying

: 1486

01:09:01,964 --> 01:09:05,203

to paper over that real quick

with like, "Ah, it's Earth.

: 1487

01:09:05,234 --> 01:09:06,064

Oh, we're…

: 1488

01:09:06,374 --> 01:09:07,834

These are our ancestors."

: 1489

01:09:08,474 --> 01:09:08,924

I don't know.

: 1490

01:09:09,224 --> 01:09:09,504

It was just

: 1491

01:09:10,234 --> 01:09:12,260

Xhafer: Yeah No, that's fair.

: 1492

01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:17,840

Um, I mean, I'm gonna go ahead

and say, yeah, I'll do nine.

: 1493

01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:20,750

There's some really good stuff in here.

: 1494

01:09:20,859 --> 01:09:23,600

The scenes where they're doing the

planning and cutting between all the

: 1495

01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,520

characters and all that, I have said it,

like, four times now, I love those scenes.

: 1496

01:09:28,180 --> 01:09:29,920

That's the highlight

of this episode for me.

: 1497

01:09:30,029 --> 01:09:30,479

Laura: The

: 1498

01:09:30,956 --> 01:09:31,475

Xhafer: the end-

: 1499

01:09:31,540 --> 01:09:32,080

Laura: dad

: 1500

01:09:32,216 --> 01:09:33,556

Xhafer: ending with Mom and Dad.

: 1501

01:09:34,086 --> 01:09:35,926

I like Starbuck just ghosting.

: 1502

01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:36,590

Laura: Yeah.

: 1503

01:09:36,779 --> 01:09:37,279

I do like

: 1504

01:09:37,734 --> 01:09:40,964

Xhafer: I know that's, like, a thing

that's drived and people, like, the

: 1505

01:09:40,964 --> 01:09:43,564

fandom, the number one question the

fandom have is what was going on with

: 1506

01:09:43,564 --> 01:09:46,993

Starbuck, which is absurd to me because

Starbuck is clearly just a fucking angel.

: 1507

01:09:47,214 --> 01:09:49,234

They tell it, they beat you

over the fucking head with it.

: 1508

01:09:49,234 --> 01:09:50,714

She's got a fucking wing tattoo.

: 1509

01:09:51,033 --> 01:09:55,964

We see other angels that are, like, the

Six BT and Gracchus are fucking angels.

: 1510

01:09:56,074 --> 01:09:57,274

They say that all the time.

: 1511

01:09:57,434 --> 01:10:01,294

We have no reason to doubt that and

them being angels, their divinity

: 1512

01:10:01,294 --> 01:10:03,304

is nigh proven by the epilogue.

: 1513

01:10:03,724 --> 01:10:07,284

If, if that epilogue does nothing else,

it proves that, yes, these are angels,

: 1514

01:10:07,777 --> 01:10:08,147

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1515

01:10:08,204 --> 01:10:12,654

, Xhafer: And they exist independent of

the minds of, , Caprica Six and Gaius.

: 1516

01:10:13,067 --> 01:10:13,427

Laura: Yeah

: 1517

01:10:13,524 --> 01:10:17,304

Xhafer: So knowing that they disappear

in the same way Starbuck does.

: 1518

01:10:17,314 --> 01:10:20,524

Starbuck says she's a fucking

angel, she gets told she's an angel.

: 1519

01:10:20,804 --> 01:10:23,924

In all the flashbacks they bring up

every time they mention she's an angel.

: 1520

01:10:23,924 --> 01:10:24,693

She's a fucking angel.

: 1521

01:10:24,954 --> 01:10:27,794

I don't understand why this is a

question for people, why they refuse

: 1522

01:10:27,794 --> 01:10:28,934

to accept that she's an angel.

: 1523

01:10:28,934 --> 01:10:29,824

She's a fucking angel.

: 1524

01:10:29,834 --> 01:10:30,454

Deal with it.

: 1525

01:10:30,854 --> 01:10:33,834

Um, it doesn't have to work perfect.

: 1526

01:10:33,864 --> 01:10:34,674

She's an angel

: 1527

01:10:34,982 --> 01:10:37,672

Laura: Can she, So here's the other thing.

: 1528

01:10:38,272 --> 01:10:44,902

I did say a couple of times in person

and on this podcast that if the Daniel

: 1529

01:10:44,902 --> 01:10:47,692

shit wasn't resolved, I was gonna be mad,

: 1530

01:10:48,190 --> 01:10:48,420

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1531

01:10:48,512 --> 01:10:49,202

Laura: I am

: 1532

01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:50,260

Xhafer: Mad.

: 1533

01:10:50,940 --> 01:10:51,340

Yep.

: 1534

01:10:53,872 --> 01:10:58,222

Laura: I wanna still believe

that Daniel was her dad, and

: 1535

01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,230

Xhafer: is, it, it's one of the

: 1536

01:10:59,742 --> 01:11:02,672

Laura: an Angel is because

she is the first Hera, but we

: 1537

01:11:02,672 --> 01:11:04,842

don't know that she was Hera

: 1538

01:11:05,395 --> 01:11:09,285

Xhafer: That's entirely possible,

except for the fact that this fan

: 1539

01:11:09,285 --> 01:11:11,095

theory has been squashed by Ron.

: 1540

01:11:11,695 --> 01:11:14,255

Ronald D has said this,

that fan theory is not true

: 1541

01:11:14,710 --> 01:11:16,059

Laura: Ron, how dare?

: 1542

01:11:16,701 --> 01:11:19,681

Xhafer: For someone who's all like,

"Starbuck might be an angel, guys.

: 1543

01:11:19,681 --> 01:11:22,691

We don't really know, like, ooh,

what's going on with Starbuck?"

: 1544

01:11:22,771 --> 01:11:26,061

And then to be all like, "Yeah,

but Daniel's not secretly her dad.

: 1545

01:11:26,196 --> 01:11:27,516

Laura: But it's definitely not that.

: 1546

01:11:27,596 --> 01:11:28,076

Yeah

: 1547

01:11:28,211 --> 01:11:30,381

Xhafer: definitely not this

thing that we didn't think of."

: 1548

01:11:32,124 --> 01:11:33,234

Laura: Ronald E.,

: 1549

01:11:33,264 --> 01:11:34,164

come on.

: 1550

01:11:35,274 --> 01:11:36,224

Come on.

: 1551

01:11:37,061 --> 01:11:37,441

Xhafer: I know.

: 1552

01:11:37,774 --> 01:11:41,294

Laura: You clearly, like, love the

mystery of it, so why don't you just

: 1553

01:11:41,294 --> 01:11:42,954

let people have their fucking mystery?

: 1554

01:11:43,281 --> 01:11:43,751

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1555

01:11:44,061 --> 01:11:45,431

Just don't give us an answer.

: 1556

01:11:46,164 --> 01:11:46,684

Laura: Yeah.

: 1557

01:11:46,684 --> 01:11:48,214

Xhafer: Commit to giving us less answers.

: 1558

01:11:48,554 --> 01:11:49,184

100%.

: 1559

01:11:49,742 --> 01:11:50,222

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1560

01:11:50,609 --> 01:11:51,419

Okay.

: 1561

01:11:51,629 --> 01:11:58,169

Well, the whole super secret 13 Cylon

Daniel business, like, why did you even,

: 1562

01:11:58,924 --> 01:11:59,464

Xhafer: bother

: 1563

01:11:59,949 --> 01:12:00,839

Laura: Yeah.

: 1564

01:12:01,024 --> 01:12:05,324

Xhafer: they messed up by making

Sharon an eight instead of a seven

: 1565

01:12:05,443 --> 01:12:06,674

because they were bad at math.

: 1566

01:12:06,817 --> 01:12:07,037

Laura: But

: 1567

01:12:07,047 --> 01:12:07,317

they

: 1568

01:12:07,584 --> 01:12:08,124

Xhafer: That's it.

: 1569

01:12:08,554 --> 01:12:09,174

That's the whole reason

: 1570

01:12:09,177 --> 01:12:12,277

Laura: laziest, way to just be like,

"Oh yeah, there was that one that

: 1571

01:12:12,327 --> 01:12:14,837

Cavill killed him, killed his, line.

: 1572

01:12:14,847 --> 01:12:15,577

Ha ha."

: 1573

01:12:16,487 --> 01:12:16,997

And then

: 1574

01:12:17,154 --> 01:12:17,514

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1575

01:12:18,473 --> 01:12:21,973

Laura: mention it or, or even just,

like, let people have their mystery.

: 1576

01:12:22,003 --> 01:12:24,163

Like, what the fuck?

: 1577

01:12:24,641 --> 01:12:24,931

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1578

01:12:26,113 --> 01:12:26,623

Laura: Okay

: 1579

01:12:27,375 --> 01:12:27,735

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1580

01:12:27,752 --> 01:12:28,202

Laura: All right.

: 1581

01:12:31,164 --> 01:12:32,244

Xhafer: There was a plan, I promise.

: 1582

01:12:33,242 --> 01:12:33,602

All right.

: 1583

01:12:33,662 --> 01:12:35,472

Uh, was that the two things

you wanted to talk about?

: 1584

01:12:35,476 --> 01:12:36,486

Laura: I, just wanted to acknowledge

: 1585

01:12:36,612 --> 01:12:36,972

Xhafer: Okay.

: 1586

01:12:36,996 --> 01:12:39,416

Laura: because I had said

it, that I was gonna be mad,

: 1587

01:12:39,416 --> 01:12:39,716

Xhafer: Yeah

: 1588

01:12:39,741 --> 01:12:40,351

Laura: I am mad.

: 1589

01:12:40,651 --> 01:12:42,521

You can rest assured

: 1590

01:12:42,765 --> 01:12:47,065

Xhafer: Well, we've got a whole lot

more to talk about in terms of plot

: 1591

01:12:47,065 --> 01:12:50,385

threads and things that we'll be picking

up next week in our recap episode.

: 1592

01:12:50,875 --> 01:12:52,995

But before we get there, we of

course have to say thank you to

: 1593

01:12:52,995 --> 01:12:55,705

Jeremy, jeremysegal42.bandcamp.com,

: 1594

01:12:55,715 --> 01:12:57,695

for our lovely theme music.

: 1595

01:12:57,705 --> 01:13:01,945

Thanks so much for putting that

together for us all those years ago.

: 1596

01:13:01,945 --> 01:13:02,975

We really appreciate it

: 1597

01:13:03,233 --> 01:13:03,943

Laura: Yeah.

: 1598

01:13:04,043 --> 01:13:07,383

And thanks to Angry Duck Time Machine

on Instagram for the podcast artwork.

: 1599

01:13:07,756 --> 01:13:10,026

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much for

editing this podcast and making

: 1600

01:13:10,026 --> 01:13:11,166

sure it gets released on time.

: 1601

01:13:11,166 --> 01:13:12,406

We appreciate all the work you do

: 1602

01:13:12,662 --> 01:13:17,152

Laura: And listeners, if you have

anything else to say about "Battlestar

: 1603

01:13:17,152 --> 01:13:18,912

Galactica," you can do it in the Discord.

: 1604

01:13:19,022 --> 01:13:19,812

Xhafer: It's, too late.

: 1605

01:13:19,832 --> 01:13:22,532

By the time you're hearing

this, it will be too late to get

: 1606

01:13:22,532 --> 01:13:24,092

something in for the recap episode.

: 1607

01:13:24,213 --> 01:13:26,113

Laura: come into Discord

and remind us years

: 1608

01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:27,342

Xhafer: you can still come hang out

: 1609

01:13:29,576 --> 01:13:34,006

, I, I, we got an email, a couple of days

ago actually from someone who had sent one

: 1610

01:13:34,006 --> 01:13:39,286

in that I had kind of skirted the question

because I didn't wanna do spoilies asking

: 1611

01:13:39,286 --> 01:13:40,916

if we would go back and answer it now.

: 1612

01:13:41,206 --> 01:13:41,616

So,

: 1613

01:13:42,137 --> 01:13:42,437

Laura: So,

: 1614

01:13:42,656 --> 01:13:42,976

Xhafer: Mr.

: 1615

01:13:42,976 --> 01:13:44,676

Beast's dad emailed us back

: 1616

01:13:44,717 --> 01:13:45,817

Laura: glad to hear from Mr.

: 1617

01:13:45,817 --> 01:13:46,797

Beast's dad.

: 1618

01:13:46,967 --> 01:13:47,297

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1619

01:13:47,627 --> 01:13:50,107

So that we'll save that

for the recap episode.

: 1620

01:13:50,417 --> 01:13:52,375

And then, uh, anything else?

: 1621

01:13:52,375 --> 01:13:54,585

Uh, I mean, if you're, if you're

hearing this, you already asked in

: 1622

01:13:54,585 --> 01:13:57,055

spoiler town, so there's your chance.

: 1623

01:13:57,462 --> 01:13:58,192

All right.

: 1624

01:13:58,383 --> 01:13:59,723

we'll see you next week, internet

: 1625

01:14:00,378 --> 01:14:00,968

Laura: Bye

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