Christian, Herbie, and Karai Roe dive deep into the latest pop culture happenings in this laid-back episode of Systematic Geekology. They kick things off by dissecting Steven Spielberg's new flick, "Disclosure Day," and while Christian's not exactly rolling out the red carpet for it, he’s got plenty to say about its flaws. The trio then shifts gears to the iconic "Doctor Who," discussing the buzz around its future and the recent hiatus, which seems like a good time for a breather, considering the mixed bag of the latest seasons. Next up, they chat about the exciting upcoming video games on the horizon, including "Kingdom Hearts IV," "Spyro: A Realm Beyond," and remakes of beloved classics like "Star Fox" and "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time." With witty banter and clever insights, this episode is one for the geeky ages!

Merging pop culture with faith, Christian Ashley, Herbie Ramsey, and special guest Karai Roe dive into the latest happenings in the geek world in this engaging episode of Systematic Geekology. Kicking things off, they explore the buzz around Steven Spielberg's new film, Disclosure Day, which has stirred quite the conversation. While Christian shares his disappointment with the film's lack of compelling narrative, Karai and Herbie chime in with their insights, pondering the implications of the film's take on humanity's relationship with alien life. They discuss how the film's depiction of government conspiracies and the moral dilemmas it presents might resonate (or clash) with their shared faith perspectives. Moving on, the trio shifts gears to discuss the latest Doctor Who updates, contemplating whether the series is truly at the end of the line or simply taking a much-needed breather. They dissect the show's evolution, with Christian expressing skepticism about the direction it has taken under Russell T. Davies's stewardship, while Herbie and Karai offer their takes on how the show has navigated its narrative arcs.

Takeaways:

• Christian, Herbie, and Karai dive into the new Spielberg film, Disclosure Day, and dissect its implications, revealing some underwhelming plot points that could leave fans scratching their heads.
• The podcast crew tackles the latest buzz surrounding Doctor Who, discussing its uncertain future and the need for fresh storytelling to revive the beloved series.
• Excitement brews over upcoming video games, including Kingdom Hearts IV and a remake of Ocarina of Time, as the guys reminisce about their gaming experiences and what these franchises mean to them.
• Karai shares insights about the cultural impact of new releases, emphasizing how nostalgia plays a massive role in engaging both old and new fans alike.
• The discussion takes a humorous turn as the trio pokes fun at the absurdities in pop culture, showcasing their witty banter and natural chemistry throughout the episode.
• Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the impact of storytelling in media, as the hosts debate the balance between agenda-driven narratives and character development in contemporary shows.

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Our show focuses around our favorite fandoms that we discuss from a Christian perspective. We do not try to put Jesus into all our favorite stories, but rather we try to ask the questions the IPs are asking, then addressing those questions from our perspective. We are not all ordained, but we are the Priests to the Geeks, in the sense that we try to serve as mediators between the cultures around our favorite fandoms and our faith communities.

Did anything disclosed in disclosure day matter what new video game releases are coming our way? Is Doctor who dead? We're gonna be discussing this on a lot more. In today's episode of Systematic Ecology, we have the priests of the geeks.

I'm your host, Christian Ashley on another what's news episode to talk about the geeky stuff that we just got into recently that's come out very recently. And I am joined today by two esteemed men. One of your hosts, he doesn't show up as often as I'd like him to, but he's here now. Herbie.

How's it going, Herbie?

Life is good. Life is good.

It's good to hear. And we are joined by a first time guest on the show, my good friend from back home, Coribro of the Foreign Saints podcast. Right.

Why don't you introduce yourself to the audience real quick?

Hey, man, you know I just got my own show. All I do is, you know, preach to preach the word, Encourage the saints, try and revive the hearts of those who are called to die daily.

But I'm looking forward to, you know, the conversation here, man, because as I said last time I was with you, Christian, the only culture I know is pop.

That's what we do over here, Systematicology. And we're going to start off today with what's new episodes we always do with a bigger bit of a lightning round that's being cry first time here.

Just talking about the smaller stuff that we. We watch when they say a little bit bit about but not making the main topic. So I can go first if anyone needs time to think.

Oh, I'm gonna need someone to model it for me, that's for sure.

Okay, well, I'll do it. So a couple of days ago I saw Toy Story 5 with my family and I was hesitant getting into it because Toy Story 4 was kind of. But 5 was stellar.

It's not a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination. But you know what? That sucker made me cry twice. They did a great job this time around.

Oh wow. Oh wow, man. Now I got to watch Toy Story 5. Man, I'd already written it off. That's tough.

So how about you guys for your lightning round picks?

Thanks to a German friend, I've been watching a lot more of the Star wars saga. A lot of the, a lot of their shows like we just went through the Clone Wars. Now we're doing the I think it's bad batch mix in with that.

Went and saw the Mandalorian and whatever the green guy's. Name is I. I would know it if you told me, but I can't pronounce it for whatever reason. I really enjoyed the movie.

It plot wise was not bad, but it's Star wars high budget, so like you can take a not bad movie and make it into a great movie. Has enough of the nostalgia tie in to everything. So all that come around, it was a good, enjoyable movie and I don't ask for more than that.

Correct.

For me, you know, like I was saying just before we got started, just started Spider noir on Amazon.

You know, by the way, for all the money that Amazon makes, they are crap at advertising because something that good really should have had more than half a commercial for it. But nah, man. Cinematography is amazing in that and that's not a compliment I ever give out lightly.

Nicholas Cage, actually, at least two episodes in for me, Nicholas Cage so far is absolutely crushing it as a grizzled Ben Reilly. I mean really, you know, everyone is taking this seriously and it's a nice.

Gives me hope that there are still people out there that know how to write a story and care to make it look decent. Yeah. So that has to be my lightning round pick for this time around.

Okay. All right, we're good to move forward into the main topics because I want to talk about someone who used to be able to write and direct pretty well.

We're going to talk about disclosure day for my main topic. So real quick, anyone who hasn't seen the film, I am going to be spoiling major parts of this because I kind of have to talk about gripes.

I have spoil away because I'm probably not going to watch it.

There you go. If you want to skip ahead, go for it. So disclosure day, it has been hyped up a little bit.

It's been like to the point where even people in the UFO kind of research area like this is Spielberg involved with the higher ups? This is the way it's actually going to be explained. We're going to reveal two aliens. It was never going to be that way, guys.

So essentially we start with characters who have names, I suppose I couldn't remember a single one of them. And they're trying to bring to the common man the light, the news and that aliens have been visited before.

They happen at Roswell, they happened in the 70s and more and other crashes and the like. And we've interrogated them, we've, you know, dissected them.

We have been pretty terrible people because oh no, guys, did you know that humans are bad? Because that that's certainly something that's never been said before by anyone.

And our main characters are fighting against the government, but not really the government. It's a group working with the government called.

I think Wardex is actually a proper noun I remember from the film, where they're dispelling and discrediting anyone who has reported to see a UFO or reported to be abducted.

But our main guy was a hacker who worked with them, who has stolen the information, working with this other organization that is trying to expose the truth that alien life is real and that there's so much better and everything, and that we humans need to look at that. And it's all in the midst of this. In the backdrop, you hear reports about Russia and China. Excuse me, not think it's.

I think it's Russia and North Korea. Maybe it's. I can't remember exactly, like, fostering more developments on the dmz. And there could be World War III breaking out at any moment.

Because, once again, humans are bad. We get through the film.

We learn plenty of things about humanity and aliens, and we have to talk about God that are philosophic in every way possible. Where eventually we're brought to the point where. Where our bad guys have confronted our main heroes.

One of the other main characters, she was abducted like the main character was as a kid. And she has become a newscaster in that sense, weather reporter. And they're about to spread the news in Kansas City.

And it gets to the point where she has this alien artifact in her hand that could potentially stop them from doing it, but there's also like 50 guys with guns that could shoot her. And the guy, the big guy who's been in charge of Vortex this entire time, who wants to destroy any sense of telling people that aliens.

Because humans can't be trusted. Like, there's nothing about this that matters. Gives up five seconds away from the finish line and just lets them give it out everywhere.

Everything is disclosed. And the film kind of ends on the hope of, we've told you the news, and that's kind of the end. So if you couldn't tell, I'm not a fan of this film.

I think I walked out of it telling my dad, maybe a C minus. I have given it more thought since then. This is an F. It's an F in every way, shape or form. I still love Spielberg. I still think he's done it.

Great work. One bad film doesn't discredit the rest. I just think this is one of the safest things that ever happened.

So before I go any further, like, initial reactions to what I just said,.

I. I've only seen the trailer that went on before the Mandalorian movie.

That is so different than what I took away from the trailer, because the trailer that I saw didn't say what they were disclosing, just that something big was about to be told. It's going to change your life forever. And that seems a little underwhelming.

So as someone who loves ufology research and stuff like that, Disclosure day has been like a big word in there. So maybe I should be more that. Not everyone knows what that means.

Disclosure has been something in those threads, being like, well, one day the government's going to tell us all. They're going to reveal the truth, or, you know, they'll show the.

The videos that we received in Congress a couple years ago of, like, this strange craft or something like that. But that's. That's not disclosure yet. Like we're going to tell you, actually. No, we have a relationship with them, so. Yeah.

Okay. So like, the term disclosure itself in that context, like, necessitates alien. That's an.

In that group.

Yeah, yeah. Amongst almost that particular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That. That sub. Subculture. Yeah. Look, I mean, it. I haven't seen it, but it doesn't surprise me.

Just kind of fits the. It's a pattern I've seen of, you know, why would we tell a story? We're Hollywood. Did you think we're in the business of storytelling?

Nah, fam, that's not what we do. We tell a story for as long as we can until it's time to just kind of, you know, let whatever message of the day, I guess, just kind of come through.

Though it sounds like. It sounds like this film Disclosure day. It sounds like it didn't know what message it really wanted to make. Primary.

I guess there is one in there about, you know, hope for humanity, like, just exposed the truth and people will get together and bad things won't happen, which is Hollywood frou frou nonsense in the fact that, you know, more truth is great. Don't get me wrong, I.

We believe in a God of truth, but that doesn't automatically mean something because truth is exposed, that people respond to it well. It's infuriating. Go ahead.

From the Christian standpoint, I. I do believe that it doesn't matter if people have the truth. We are a depraved mankind and we are not going to be better even just. Even if something true is presented before us.

The fact that people reject the GOSP proves that people are not going to just be good because the truth is given to them.

It's also like. Like, I don't even. At a, like, equally deep level, I find it interesting that for whatever reason, people just assume that there's some.

That the revelation of aliens is ontologically moral instead of just a mundane thing that may or may not happen in the grand scheme of the unit. Like, you know what I mean? Like, definitely believes that, like.

Like, aliens are the only formal life where people attach some kind of, like, moral quandary to whether or not you believe they even exist. Like, I kind of get it, but I also wonder if people have even stopped to think about it, to think about.

Like, why do you think this topic is in any way an accurate barometer of people's character? Aliens. That's. That's our North Star. If you don't believe in aliens, you're a bad person. And if you do, you're progressive in your thinking. Are you?

They are.

I like how you just told us where to look for aliens, by the way.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go to Polaris.

They're literally alien talking. This movie between a former novitiate and the nun who, like, trained her. And the former nun has been like, you know, I don't really.

I don't even think of God as, like, this person up there. He's more like. Like a feeling or a force or something like that. They're like. But like. But wouldn't.

If aliens were real, wouldn't that, like, stop people believing in God? Because aliens are so far above us, they might as well be deities.

And, like, the one smart person in the film, the nun, kind of looks at her and says something like, you think God made this whole universe and saved it only for us? Like, yeah, he could do that. But, like, how does that suddenly disprove God as a deity?

Simply because you have someone at a higher technological level than you like, and yet somehow we're supposed to side with the other person in that argument more. I. I knew they threw that nun character in, the real nun, as, like, we'll give them something, but the film itself suggests nothing of the kind.

It's very annoying, and it's one of those things. I can't remember what the title of it was, but I think he was writing about the fair folk, as in fairies.

That you could also apply to aliens as well if we found out they were real. Because in the British Isles, a huge thing. Fairy. Fairy folk, fearful. I think it was Lewis. Yeah. And he's like, well, if they thought they were real.

Okay, well, now we've learned there's someone else here besides us, so what was kind of the point?

Yeah, especially when they, like, have all of our vices. Yeah, you're me with superpowers. Neat.

But who says they even have superpowers, though?

Well, I mean, just compared to our limitations, you know, like.

Yeah, and. Sorry. I'm remembering different parts of the film. It's really disappointing me. The more I remember.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The disappointments tend to do that. There's. There's Fridge disappointment beyond just Fridge Logic.

And there seems. It's like that things shown in the films, like, they're so much more empathetic than us. Empathy is like their language or something like that.

Because they're better than us humans. And that's all this nonsense. There too is like, if. I mean, unless there's some unfallen race out there, then I'd give it to you.

But you're not thinking that way. You're thinking that they're not human, therefore they're better is one of the theses of the film as well.

And the idea of, like, higher technology, more empathy, and they've forgiven you for mistreating and dissecting them because they're so much better than us. Go ahead. Correct.

I mean, it's just.

It's an odd arrogance, you know, like, you can reverse engineer a story depending on how seriously a person took themselves in writing it, to kind of get like a psych profile of the writer or writers.

And so it really says a lot that if they're more technologically advanced than humans, they must be deity, because we're already so advanced and progressive that the only way you can be more progressive than me is to be God. That's. That's really. That's really the only thing you could do. Right? Like, I don't have any character flaws.

Our culture doesn't have any real issues beyond just being human, you know, like, it's man. Very arrogant.

Then I must also come through and say, like, let's say that aliens are real.

Who's to say that other than having one specific type of technology that allows them to travel the galaxy or beyond makes them actually superior to us? Maybe they just happen to be able to develop this one part of technology, but they could be weaker. They could be less intelligent.

They could be less of everything in any way. Are you gonna just say that they have to be a higher being because they have one type of technology that we don't have?

Like, the progression of alien stories seems to be moving in that direction, Herbie, that you were talking about, where it's like they have more advanced tech, so therefore they're ontologically superior when, like, you know, in yesteryear's alien movies, you know, I mean, it could run the gamut. You know, they could have been better. They could also have just been colonizers.

They also could have just been straight up monsters like the Thing, which more and more is becoming my favorite alien story. The Thing is ridiculously awesome. I'm part of. I'm part of that cult that considers it a classic. It is legit, man.

But, yeah, like, l. You know, Battle la, or whatever that was called. Yeah, Battle Los Angeles. Yeah, that was amazing because it was just like. Yeah. Nah, these aliens are just us and we are the Middle East. Have fun.

Good luck. You're about to get the teeth kicked out of your face, man. Or you could have just made me.

Think of Independence Day. Yeah. Like, I hope this video comes out around July 4th.

Oh, that would be fantastic. Or it could be. What was it called? I don't think the movie was called Crop Circles, but it was some movie where signs. Signs.

It was some movie where, like, the aliens were, like, weak to water and like, you know, it turns out that, like, the only advantage they had on us was aura farming. Because, you know, our planet is three fourths the thing that kills them. And we are made of three fourths the thing that kills them.

So in that situation, we're kind of the terrifying alien species between the two in the film, you know, it's like it. It could have went in any direction back in the day, but, you know, more and more to me it just seems like, oh, highest budget alien film.

So let me guess.

The aliens are some construct of New Age thought, but in packaged in a story that doesn't know what theme it wants to go with, so it doesn't know what it's trying to say.

One thing you both kind of triggered an idea in me is the unfortunate implications of thinking that simply because one has higher technology than another, that automatically makes them superior throughout history? I mean, does that mean that the Turks that took down Constantinople were superior to the Western Roman Empire?

Does that mean that the conquistadors were better than the Aztecs they were slaughtering right and left simply because they had better technology than them? It's like, I don't know, but I don't think you thought this through.

Nah. But, you know, that would, you know,.

I mean, were the British the best People on the planet because they conquered the majority of countries at one point.

Listen, man. Listen, man. We're. We're Hollywood savvy. We're not thinking of any culture outside of our silicon bubble. Nah, man. And.

And all those cultures that you just named have less tech than us, so we're best.

Of course. Yeah.

It actually seems more like it. Hollywood is less about telling a good story or building a good story, and more about tearing apart a story.

Whether or not it's your history or this franchise that you've loved forever,.

This is a very safe movie. And I mean safe as in, like you could predict where things are going. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

But it is when it's this blatant as where things can go. It's very safe.

And the fact that, well, our bad guys are going to become good guys because the script says so, not because they've had an actual moment of awareness and be like, maybe I am on the wrong side it. Like I said that that scene at the end is one of the most infuriating things I've ever witnessed.

Because throughout the entire film, we have established main bad guy. My life is devoted. Even after my wife died. This is who I am. Thirty years, I'm willing to die multiple times over to prevent you from speaking truth.

But right here at the end, you point one alien weapon at me and I go, I'm just gonna sit down, man, gonna let. Let the good vibes flow. Like, what? That's not who you established this man to be.

I'm like screaming in my head the entire time, trying to keep a calm face in the theater. What? What?

And then his right hand man, who hasn't had the same journey that the other guy went on, has a gun in his hand, could tell the other people around him, who also have guns, to use their guns. And he doesn't because the script says so.

I mean, that, that, that, yes, he is established to be a certain way, but he's established a certain way because of the circumstances of the script, not because that was the whim of the writer. You see, It's a subtle nuance there, but it's important, right? Because the writer doesn't know he established a character.

He just knows he has a tool that's meant to stand in for all the ignorant people he hates. See? And so at the end of the movie, I can do in my script what I would want to do in reality and by divine fiat, make this person, this archetype.

What I Want them to be. We don't develop characters here. What do you think this is Hollywood?

Let's. And everyone clapped. They made millions of dollars.

Yeah.

Because the person with the most guns wins.

There you go. I swear, man, Hollywood writers hate guns. It's like, man.

Yo, these things that if you point and just pull a trigger, they just kind of instantly get rid of a problem, man, I hate that. Can we just say they forgot how to use them? Yeah, why not?

Oh, there is a shootout scene with, like, this guy must have gone to the stormtrooper academy on Carida, man. Like, missed completely. Yeah, sure, he's in a moving car. They're on a moving train. But, like, you're the trained government agent.

You have a gun, you know how to use it. They're not themselves, like, moving away. They couldn't be hit.

Like, in Hollywood, you are more accurate if you leave the base with a bow and arrow than if you do with a. With a machine gun of any maker model.

Okay. It's not just Hollywood. It's also stuff like anime, too. Let's be honest.

I mean, fair, fair, but anime, it's.

Because it's cool, not because it's.

Yeah, I was gonna say, bro. Like, rule of cool. Like, we noticed some bull crap, but, like, an anime will hit you with that animation.

It's like, we know that you know that we know it's bull crap, but this animation is fire. Let it ride, please.

It's gonna make you believe.

Christian here. Preach.

Yeah.

Hey, I've been telling him this, man. A preacher. Preacher man. I've been telling him, man.

So I'm kind of done with this. We need to move on to the other stuff. Unless there's something you really want to talk about more. I don't want to make it all about this one film.

Oh, no, no, no, no. You're. You're good. You're good.

Okay. We got some new video game releases soon, Herbie. I believe the first one was one of yours, Star Fox. What's going on in Star Fox world?

Well, they're going on the nostalgia train. Really hard to sell some Switch 2s. So they're re releasing Star Fox 64 as a remake. They are.

Basically, you've got an entire recoding of the game so that it plays on a modern console with modern graphics, new voice acting, new video graphics, but from what I can tell, it's still the same game, which looks really awesome.

So I thought it was a new game, the sort of remaking the 64 version of Star Fox.

Yes.

Okay, very nice. Are they guys? Big into Star Fox?

I only played the 64 version, but it was an amazing game when I was a kid. Star Fox, like it's a simple game in a concept. It's a on rails shooter.

You're flying a little, little thing called an Arwing, which is like a TIE fighter basically, but a little more powerful. And you're going to save the entire solar system, the Lilac system from this evil monkey guy. And I.

It sounds really lame when I say that, but he's taken over the entire system. He's evil. He's destroying life everywhere by polluting and everything.

And you come in with a team of four guys with four fighter jets, basically, and you save the entire galaxy.

I know man, that's pretty epic.

Oh, the only thing is lame is that Andros is this evil monkey guy.

That's all good. It's all.

I never really played the games. I tried playing 64 with at miles at my second cousin's house. I think that's the. I think he's kin to me in some way down the road. I'm awful.

I've always been awful when it comes to piloting ships, driving cars with the Batmobile. Like every time I'd be like, man, I'm gonna go replay the Arkham Games and I go three play night. I don't wanna.

So I'm complete, not a garbage at that. Star Fox Super Smash Brothers is really like what I know him from the most. And I was garbage at playing him too there.

So he's never really been my guy.

So see, I'm sure Star Fox is a nice guy, but man, because of Super Smash, I'm obligated to hate him, man. Like, I don't know, man, like the people I played with just mastered Star Fox, man.

Like the stuff they could do with that guy I didn't know digitally physically possible, you know, I didn't know it was possible for a human being to lose in the ways that I lost the Star Fox, you know what I'm saying? So. So, you know, vendetta is there, but. But I recognize the legacy. I recognize the legacy to gaming though. And so in that sense it is pretty dope.

But as the era of nostalgia continues, you know, they give him his flowers with a remake.

I will say that, you know, I'm not going to buy a switch too. I'm not going to play this game because frankly, Nintendo hasn't earned my money that I don't have to give them. But I think in the case of this Game.

I think it is a really good tribute to a game that came out in the mid-90s. It looks great. They. They aren't really changing anything big. Sure, yeah.

The higher quality on the voices kind of is, you know, it kind of loses a little bit of the charm. But let's be honest, communication is not what it was then. When you're talking on the. On Discord or anything like that, you get really clear audio.

So it's not like you're having to hear somebody from a telephone. I. I think from what I've seen that they've done a really good job. And it does tempt me to buy a switch too.

It's just not going to do it. You say you're just not gonna fall for that temptation, but I see you. You brought this time. Yes, yes.

If I had money, I'd have a better chance.

Oh, there's that.

But by the time Gen 10 comes out for Wind and Waves Pokemon, I'm sure I'll be able to do it.

There you go. Always stay a gen or two behind and you can afford whatever you want.

Just take. Take the hand me downs from the newer generation that's got all the money. It's the wrong way. It's more like hand me up, isn't it?

But.

I'm a retro game. Retro's in the name.

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

It's very true. So, Karai, I believe you were the next one on for Spyro. Is this one actually.

It is actually.

Okay.

It's not.

I mean, they got their remakes in the Reignited trilogy, but I just saw the other week that Toys for Bob, the dudes that did Crash four, which is fantastic. They have announced a new Spyro game. Spyro, A Realm beyond. Made after, I guess you might say, like the.

The bare bones skeleton, I guess of the original trilogy. But they're trying to push it in some new directions.

So.

You know, I saw a trailer that was. I hesitate. I mean, it was gameplay, but like, it's gameplay from like one of their alpha builds. So, like, it's not done yet.

But I mean, Spyro had just at a base level, full flight capabilities. Like, you needed a. You needed the power updates to be able to do that in the first three. But they're just gonna let him fly just at a base level.

It seems like that seemed to be like the thing they wanted you to focus on in the advertising. And so, yeah, it would be pretty cool to see what you can do with like, because technically that should be an oxymoron. Right.

A platformer where you can just permafly sounds like a contradiction, so. But I'd be interested to see what a studio could do with it.

And like, like I said, you know, Toys for Bob, they did good on the remaster for Sly 3 or Slide 3 for like Spyro. No, you know, 1, 2, 3, the Reignited Trilogy, they did great on Crash 4.

So it's like, you know, y' all know how to make a platformer and a dang hard one at that. So it'd be great to see, I think, what they're, you know, with their next gen, their classic next gen Spyro can be.

And also my two sons were extremely interested in the trailer. I saw it as I was cruising the PlayStation Store, looked at the trailer, they were both doing whatever and then they both just like ran up.

They were like dag in gagging and just like plop themselves on little beanbags and just. They're just glued to the screen looking at it. Trailer finishes, they're like, dad, again, again. I was like, okay, well, now I'm obligated to buy it.

Nice. The good thing I kind of want to, though.

Well, that helped. Spyro for me is another one. I never grew up on Spyro. I had a friend who played it. I tried it once. I hate platformers with every fiber of my being.

I, I'm, I don't have the reaction time for it. I'm slow, I'm, I'm dull. Dim witted in those regards.

I'm replaying Kingdom Hearts 1 right now, which I know is going to make Joshua really happy when he hears this as he's editing. And there are times I just want to punch through the TV screen because of the platforming King Horse 1, which is the worst in the series.

And I will fight you over that, Joshua. So, yeah. I will say though, to Spyro fans, I just ran a Geeks on a Roll episode where he was chosen as one of the characters by the two people there.

And there is going to be a scene there that you're really gonna love. And that's all I'm gonna say. We call that hyping things up in the business.

Man. Spyro was one of my first ever games, just period. I remember Shadow Realm.

Yes. I remember Spyro was really big on the PlayStation days, but then it kind of went silent for a long time.

I remember Skylanders came up and it was somewhat associated with that. And then I just didn't remember seeing anything Spyro for a long time after what happened.

I mean, mommy you know, like you have your original trilogy, right? 1, 2, 3. And that stuff is great.

But by the time, you know, your Spyros and your crashes and stuff got to their third iterations, you know, the gameplay loops had kind of reached the max of what those gameplay loops could do. Even with some of the.

In Spyro's case, in Spyro 3, the shake up to the gameplay in your different characters with like the freaking the kangaroo and the sergeant penguin guy. And then in crash three's case, how like 50 of the game is classic Crash platform and the other 50% is like different gameplay stuff.

So like by the time they reached their third iterations, it was like, okay, our gameplay loops are not bad. We've just squeezed all the juice out of these lemons. Spyro goes off and kind of does their own thing.

They kind of take a different direction with the art style and the storytelling, which me and my little brother actually liked, but we were in the vast minority apparently. They kind of took a more serious, almost Lord of the Rings tone with Spyro. Gave him like elemental breaths. Introducing different guy.

I thought it was pretty cool to take a dragon and put him in an epic. I mean, that just feels like a natural progression. But, you know, for whatever reason, you know, just didn't know, just didn't sell as well.

And that's all it takes for you to enter, you know, for you to enter the shadow realm for. For the next decade. Yeah, but, yeah, that would basically be in my memory, what occurred with Spyro. Yeah, I remember those titles, man.

Spyro, the Eternal Night. You're not forgotten. You're not forgotten. That lightning breath scene was epic.

Herbie, another one you brought up was the Ocarina of Time remake also coming out on Switch two? I believe so. What do you have to say about that?

Okay, so this is where I'm going to sound a little hypocritical. I love what I see about Star Fox, but I don't like seeing an Ocarina of Time remake.

Why though?

Honestly, just feel like that this one, it's really just that they're trying to fuel off of our nostalgia.

Maybe it's because Star Fox 64 kind of ruined their franchise and kind of fell off after a while and the Legend of Zelda just kept going and, well, now we're seeing them try to feed the nostalgia from games that are from the 90s and I just don't like it. Yeah, sure, it's going to be a great game. People are going to love it. It's going to sell Millions of copies.

But what's it doing for the franchise that never died?

There'll be a million minus to 70 they could have gotten from Herbie.

That's fair. That's fair. Okay, I'm gonna say at the outset, herbie, I agree with you on that. But for entertainment value's sake, I'm gonna play devil's advocate.

All right, go ahead.

I mean, we don't ever do that around here.

Never.

You could argue, you could argue that even though that is a shallow, soulless cash grab and an abomination in every sense of the word, you could argue that what it would do for a franchise that never died is bring all of the people that are too young to have really enjoyed the glory days of the Ocarina era back to actually experience the glory of said Ocarina era without having to deal with, you know, the just as difficult difficulties of actually acquiring, you know, prior gen tech to play said games on, you know, or.

Is that in the switch online or the.

I, I, I said devil's advocate. You already know that means I'm not working with truth here. Okay. Like, I'm just, I'm, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, okay, to.

Give you a little bit more. If they're going to give an updated controls, it can make it actually easier.

Is one of the problems with the Zelda of that era is the N64 controller had one analog stick.

Now we use two analog sticks because it's better for three dimensions because you have, you know, different way, different things you're controlling with each analog stick. So there are some things you could do good. I just hope that it reminds people what Zelda used to be and not what Breath of the Wild turned it into.

Ah, see that, that's tough, man. See, because Breath of the Wild was my game, bro.

Like, it was a good game to me. It didn't feel like Zelda.

That's my Zelda fam. Breath of the Wild was my Zelda dog. Like, that's not, that wasn't even on that one. Even on one of our topics, bro.

But like, like, okay, so I, I've left Devil's Advocacy. You have me now. Okay? Without, without any kind. And it might be the fact that I.

It might be the fact that it reminds me of Avatar the Last Airbender, and some of the things I liked about that showed up in Breath of the Wild's main plot that might have something to do with it, but unironically, man, Breath of the Wild was like One of my favorite games I've ever played, and I've played a lot, honestly. That was one of my favorite ones.

I loved Breath of the Wild. It was a fun game. However, I felt underwhelming. I felt an underwhelm it from it because the puzzles were easy.

I didn't get this sense of accomplishment when I figured out a puzzle, or I unknowingly cheese it and just get through it.

There is, like, this joy you get when you really figure out this really hard puzzle, or you go back and you find that one key in the water temple that you couldn't find, and you've spent three weeks playing the water temple, and you get mad because it was just that easy. So.

But see, that's because you've been trained on who knows how many decades of Zelda, and. And this is a compliment, brother. I don't know if there's a puzzle Nintendo could craft that could keep down like. Like a. Like a. Like a Ph.D. zelda.

You know what I'm saying, bro? Like, you. You don't seen every temple. You don't seen every permutation. You got every light arrow. You got every dark arrow. You got everything, bro.

You got everything. Me, I was a Zelda virgin, bro. I came into Breath of the Wild like, okay, what is this, bro? What is this?

That.

That light opened up, I think, said, link, wake up. I was like, oh, my loins girded. I was like, I'm on an adventure.

So, Christian, should I introduce him to my favorite Zelda game? Because I'm a black sheep. My favorite game was Zelda 2, and that game is known for its difficulty.

Oh, okay. So, yeah, you're just smarter than me when it comes to, like, puzzle games. That's what it is. Because Breath of the Wild's puzzles are actually, like.

Well, they weren't all hard, but they were hard enough that I didn't feel like I was missing a challenge.

So I don't know if either of you are familiar enough with Zelda 2 to actually be able to hit the elephant that I brought into the room.

That is, all the things that I complained about not being in Breath of the Wild were actually somewhat missing in Zelda 2, but Zelda 2 had other things that kind of give you that sense of accomplishment. But in Zelda 2, it wasn't about puzzles. It was a platforming fighter game.

I mean, it was also the second one, you know, so, like, anything it did was new at the time, but.

You still got that same sense of accomplishment when you found out how to fight a bit a boss when you found out his attack pattern. And I just didn't get that in Breath of the Wild.

I didn't play Tears of the Kingdom, and from understand all the things that I kind of didn't like about Breath of the Wild got doubled down in Tears of the Kingdom. Yeah.

Yeah. I played both. And that's. Yeah, that's an accurate summation. Yeah.

If you didn't like Breath of the Wild, there's no logical reason you should like Beers of the Game.

I did enjoy Breath of the Wild. It's just the things that we're missing are kind of core to the Zelda game experience.

Well, see, I don't have a core Zelda game experience, so I was not, I would say, handicapped in that way. I just went into it like, all right, what can this franchise give me? I never touched it. I don't know nothing about it.

It took Super Smash Brothers for me to learn that Zelda is not even the name of the hero, bro. Like, let's see. Let's see what's in here, bro. Let's see what's in here, bro. And I won't lie, man. Like, the. Like, slowly unraveling.

Oh, this world looks like something really bad happened here, you know? Like, even the. Even the music is broken. And I mean that, like, the best way possible.

Like, they were haunting scores, but especially in the beginning, they would never play, like, full courts.

Be, like, you walk past places, you get a couple notes evocative of a memory that is maybe tickling at the back of Link's mind, but not quite there yet, you know, and slowly peeling back the onion of, like. Yeah, so a really bad thing happened. Yeah, there are a lot of people that used to live here. Yeah, they all died. Not just died.

They all got massacred by ancient AI. Oh, and I was supposed to save the day, and I didn't. Dang, bro. So this whole world is kind of. Because I was not him. That's tough. That's really tough.

And, like, you know, I think the most.

What.

What would be the biggest accomplishment emotionally for me in that game? Probably discovering all the memories because I played it legit. I was like, no. No guides for me. I'm actually gonna do this off the freaking pictures.

And, like, yeah, that was. That was one of the hardest things I've done in a minute.

Getting to, like, one of those last memories that was in, like, the cat, like, Hyrule Castle, but while it was still covered and all of Gannon's bull crap. Yeah. Yeah, I felt really accomplished that I actually got there and got out in one trip.

That was fantastic, you know, but, you know, for Herbie here, he's probably seen that permutation of guards like, 90 times, bro. He's like, oh, this. We don't.

You know.

This is water Temple times four, bro. This is light. Temple times seven, bro. Like, easy work, easy work, easy work. Do this blindfold.

I would really love to see you play Ocarina of Time. So maybe you would be a guy who needs to play the remaster lifelike Ocarina of Time so that you can see this.

This zombie, like, thing come and attack you out of nowhere. Or have the mummy coming and trying to, like, just squeeze the life out of you.

Okay, okay. I won't lie. There is one thing in Tears of the Kingdom you would actually like. You just.

That description just brought something from that second game to my mind. The Gloom Hands. Those things.

Did I. Did they take you back to the entrance of the castle or at the entrance of the dungeon?

No, but you'll kind of wish you had the way that, like, spawning worked down in the depths. You might wish they brought you somewhere safe, but no, no, no, they don't teleport you, if that's what you're asking.

So in the original Zelda, the very first one, there were some dungeons that when you went to a room, there would be these hands that would come out of the wall and they would grab you and take you all the way back to the very beginning of the dungeon again. So the. All these things that you just wasted two thirds of your health kill getting past.

You've got to do it again, dude. You would love Tears of the Kingdom, but only.

But, but.

But with. With an asterisk. You wouldn't like all of it, but you would like the underground.

That Nintendo, somehow they were able to be competent and at least to my knowledge, did not advertise the depths at all. So when I encountered that. It also helps because I'm a punk, you know, I'm. I'm terrified of the dark. So, like, an entire underworld that's.

Lights out was like, are you serious? This. This isn't. I don't have to be down here to, like, beat the game, do I? Nah, fam. You. You gotta figure that out. But there's no light.

And the game is like. Yeah, there's not, is there?

You gotta go buy a candle.

You should probably figure that out, shouldn't you? You should probably figure that out, man. Yeah, yeah. It also took me a while to realize that the topography was a mirror image of the.

Of the surface world. But until you figure that out, yeah, you are disoriented as heck down there. But that was also pretty. That also felt really accomplished.

To go down into an underworld where there is no light, no nothing, and the game does not hold your hand in any way, shape, or form, and says, yeah, you know, you're the. The hero of Hyrule. You're the hero of legend. You can figure it out. I like that. I actually like that.

So another note on the Zelda one. The first one, there were rooms that you'd go into, and they were dark,.

And you don't know how to light.

Them up, and you've got to figure your way through it.

There were some things you could kind of see in the dark, but it really increased the difficulty until you find out that, hey, you can get the candle. And when you start a fire with the candle, it lights up the whole room and you can see again. You don't need it. If you're good, you don't need it.

But I'm not that good, so I needed it.

Yeah, you couldn't light up the whole underworld. You could light up, like, bits and pieces of it here and there. But you see, Christian, you see what I did? See what I did?

If someone was keeping score, they could probably be like, dang, bro, this man really just said that Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom had nothing to do with classic Zelda. And then you just named, like, at least three or four things that it kind of mirrored from classic Zelda, bro.

No, I said the core Zelda experience, so.

Hey, amen. Amen. Now. Now we see Christian Secret.

All right.

Ye got. Got him with that.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I know we have other topics to discuss. Zelda has never been my thing because it involves platforming and riddles and puzzles and hate them. Not my thing.

So, riddles. But what's our next thing?

Oh, everyone thinks that. Christian, you're so smart. You should love puzzles. You should love riddles. No, get them away from you. Speak to my face.

You tell me what you want to say. Speaking in these philosophical things. You tell me what you want, and what I want to talk about is Kingdom Hearts 4.

Oh, my gosh, bro. You hypocritical dog. What are we talking about, bro?

So is this another. Another game from a franchise that kind of, like, went, like, off the radar for forever for me?

No. Maybe. I don't know if you ever played it or not.

I got into it really late and I was going to be like, was Kingdom Hearts ever on any rails?

It was never on the rails. Don't pay attention to what they're selling. You just, just, just enjoy the Disney worlds and kill things. That's why I love. Yes.

So we've gotten into some new things here with Kingdom Hearts 3. We had the whole thing with Sora being lost after using the power of waking.

And now we're showing Quadratum again after the first trailer that came out three to four years ago. This released about two to three weeks ago. The newest trailer. So nothing really new is shown outside of some characters. Like we see Luxor there.

We see a younger Xehanort at some point in time. Maybe it's Ansem. Who knows at this point in time? It's a bunch of nonsense. And the nonsense isn't why I like the game.

It's funny because there's a ton of nonsense, but ain't nobody trying to make sense of it that can do it. Well, just shut up. I'm in a Disney World. I'm a Donald Duck and we're killing these heartless right here. That's what I need in my life.

So I'm looking forward to Kingdom Hearts 4. Yes. Is it a contradiction? Absolutely. But we contain multitudes.

I'm just never. Kingdom Hearts really is the only franchise I've ever seen where I took a. Like I took a glance at the lore and just said, nope, no.

And I like Complicated Lord. Like, I really do, bro. But I'm like, bro, are we fighting the shadow of Ansom or Ansem shadow? Like, what are we doing, bro?

Look, look, I love convoluted lore too. That makes sense. I write convoluted things. But if you're paying attention, you'll be fine.

Kingdom Hearts, if you're paying attention, you might get 25 of the way there's because they're making it up.

It's worse. If you pay attention, dog, like your.

Eyes will go cross eyed. Yeah, it is what it is. But you know what? It makes me happy. And that's why I put it there.

It's got the most. It's got the most accurate to life depiction of Mickey I've ever seen though.

You know, I'm like, like every time I go to a Disney property, I'm like, the Mickey that runs IRL Disney World is Kingdom Hearts Mickey, bro. They just haven't confirmed it. But that, that's the one, bro. You know, pimp cape and magic wand and all that, bro. That Mickey, That.

That's the one, bro.

All right, we have one final thing to discuss today. I know it's going on a little long, but just kind of happened that way. That last thing is we got some news on the Doctor who side of things.

Yes.

The series has been put on hold.

I have been waiting all episode for this topic.

Yes.

Oh, my gosh, bro.

I spoke when the last season ended on this show about how I felt like it was a 6 out of 10 at best. I have once again reevaluated something I previously watched. And I said, you know what? I was too kind.

Yes, you were. Yes, you were.

At best. That second season of the new run was a three out of 10.

But I'm gonna give it a two because you can tell now with hindsight, all the cracks that were there, all the people who should have been there, but because of actor differences and creative differences, things didn't happen the way they were supposed to.

You want to talk about some nonsensical nonsense that's thrown for convoluted reasons just to, like, poke the bear and be like, hey, guys, you still interested that. That it succeeded massively at that. So for me, this is good news, because you know what?

Russell T. Davies, without him, we wouldn't have Modern who as we have it. Like, I don't want to say, like, he's a. He's a hack. He's never been good, because that'd be incorrect. But he also ran the series into the ground.

So that's where I'm thinking, we need a break. We need someone new. Fresh blood. Take the time you need. BBC. Go ahead. Correct.

Oh, man. I mean, the thing is. The thing is, he's just right about Doctor who. Except, you know, I'm.

I'm always a bit more harsh towards storytellers that prove that they were good. Like, if you were always bad, then, you know, you were practicing at the height of your capabilities. Russell, what is this?

What am I looking at, bruh? What am I watching?

You know, except it's worse for me because I've looked at some of the, like, you know, the extra stuff, you know, the interviews with the creatives and stuff like that. So Christian's not gonna say that Russell T. Davis is a hack who's never been good. I will say you were good, and then you decided to be a hack.

That's not good. His own words, bro. His own words. The story does not matter as much as the agenda that he wants to push.

That's not a hidden Thing with Russell, he's just come out and said it on multiple occasions, right? Like Stephen Moffat. You know what I'm saying? Son of the devil needs to find Jesus. The man knows how to write a story. Okay, like we can.

We should all be able to agree on that much. All right, sit down. Conversation between the two of them. Stephen Moffat says there are some things about who that can't change.

The Doctor has to use a sonic screwdriver and the TARDIS console has to be in the center of whatever room you make the TARDIS to be.

Because there's a value to traditions, there's a value to moorings, and there's only so much you can tamper with the moorings of anything before it is just not that thing anymore. Ship of Theseus to any of my philosophy heads out there, bro. There's only so much you can mess with it before it's just a new thing.

Russell, in response to that, says, yeah, whenever I see moorings, I just have this thing in me that just needs to change them. Get him out of the writer's room. That's. That's pathological, man. He can't even say why he wants to change this stuff.

He just wants to change it because no one else has changed it. Like, that's not. That's not writing. That's.

I mean, dare I say rage baiting, but rage baiting has some ounce of intellect to it, and I'm not sure that this does. So, you know, I don't even have a word for that. That being said, right? Modern who, this is a hot take.

Modern who should not have gone past Matt Smith's era. But I combine that with the tension point in my head that Peter Capaldi is the best Doctor to ever play the role.

Both of those things, I think, just are true with the way they were writing the story from, you know, beginning of the reboot to Day of the Doctor.

You know, they did that thing where you put your thesis statement at the end and the thesis statement for that whole series, that whole section of Doctor who for me was when Matt Smith in his final monologue and Day of the Doctor, says, clara oftentimes asks me, where are you going? You know? And, you know, they talk a bit about Clara saying, you're not really going anywhere, you just wandering about.

And the Doctor is like, yeah, I used to think that too, but recently I found out I'm going where everyone's going home. I'm just taking the long way route. And it's like, okay, sweet. So you set it up that he's the last survivor of the Time War, last of the Time Lords.

All that stuff that moves into finding Gallifrey, the final arc for his final life should be finding Gallifrey and then maybe for whatever reason, settling down, you know, or maybe not, but at least finding Gallifrey, right? That should be where it ends, where it book ends. They didn't want to do that, so they pushed it.

The reason that pushing it, though it was bad worked is because Peter Capaldi was so freaking good that it didn't matter. I was sitting there like, I was sitting there like you were filming the show on borrowed time. But this man is amazing. He is finally my Doctor.

You know, all the teenage girls had their doctors for the first year old man who's crumpety and grouchy and hates everyone, but still does what's right. That. That's my Doctor man. Anyone that knows me knows, yeah, that's Corey. That's Corey, yeah. He'll insult you, but he'll die for you.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, heaven sent, best episode in history. But still borrowed time, right? Jody Whitaker comes along. Here's my other hot take.

Jody Whitaker was perfectly fine in the role as the Doctor. No one else, no one could have done better with the piss poor material that was given to her.

I agree.

You know, and she got scapegoated because she happened to be the Doctor during this time when red pill was fighting blue pill. And that's really, in my opinion, why she got scapegoated.

I'm like, anyone that's listening, check the episode, you know, the Villa of Dia Vittori or whatever. There's a scene where she's talking trash to a Cyberman. I swear you can hear David Tennant's Doctor in her performance. Incredible.

The only scene that was written like the Doctor was in the room and she aced it, you know, so she could do it, but, you know, the story was crap, so that's where we are. And then we had, I don't know, like gay fan fiction of Doctor who for like a season or two. Like, I don't know. I don't know what that was.

Like, what are we doing, bro? What are we doing, bro? Like, and. And y' all might say, oh, conservative Christian. Rah, rah, rah, rah. You'd be right.

But you also can't deny that we dang near had at least two gay sex scenes in the tardis, bruh. You can't deny that. I mean, one, we almost definitely had shoot. You know, just tough.

It's like you'd have decent moments that rise out of the sea of crap. And the question is, are the moments of awesomeness like the toy maker talking trash to Dr. 14amazing? Is it worth the crap that it came in?

The people that signed the checks for a living finally said no. That's basically where we're at.

Thank you for that monologue. Desperately needed.

You know. Hey man, you can just tell something's.

Been blowing up inside. Yeah. Even wanted to say this for so long. Like I am sick and tired of the idea of we're just gonna put agenda over story.

We're gonna put my thought over story over characters, over all this. Look, you can have an agenda. I love the original 60s Star Trek. You know what? There were agendas all over the place.

Sometimes handled really well, sometimes really poorly. Like it's not you can't, it's. I'm not saying you can't have agendas in your show. You can't have something be like, I want people to think about this.

Good fiction will make you think about those things. That's the problem. That's good fiction.

When you're heavy handed, when you don't care about your audience, when you care more about what you think versus the story you want to tell and the characters you want to present, you're going to fail. And that's exactly how we got to this point in time. But look, I love shooting. I thought he was great.

He looked like he was having a time of his life at the start. But then when things kept going bad, when he said I don't know if I can wait two, three years in between seasons, I gotta, I have a.

To feed myself, be an actor, you know, do my job well, no wonder he left after everything I was going wrong there. And like then we've got some supposed leaks of what would have been the Christmas special for this year which has also been canceled.

Where with the whole thing with the end was like Billy Piper shows up. Did she actually Rose Tyler? It would have been like kinda.

It's a temporary face would have been the thing because the location the doctor ended up at had seen her at one point in time and like the person knew her there so temporarily she looked. The doctor looked like Rose Tyler for that. And then at the end of the Christmas special we might have gotten the reveal of the next actor.

It would have been complete and utter. Like we're never going to tell you until an actor is announced.

Like the problem is right, you can write stories One of two ways. Your story can either be theme driven or it can be character driven. Problem is, they didn't know what they wanted to do. Right?

But either way, whichever way you go with that, the universe has to be internally consistent, right?

So, like, people have always been kind of shocked by me being the conservative Christian watching Doctor who and being like, ooh, how can you watch, you know, how can you stand your male Doctor transforming into a woman? And I'm like, he's an alien. And they're like, what? And I'm like, he is an alien. Am I the only one that remembered the lore? He's an alien.

Why are you putting these human things onto an alien? Like, what? This, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever that Time Lords would like. If this is. If this is the way I want to build the universe, fine.

But they like to have their cake and eat it too. And it kills internal consistency within the universe.

But because Time Lords are, you know, some of the most scientific races in the universe, that the, this is what the show has shown us. They're all nerds, all of them. Gender should care to them because it's real and it matters.

Like, you can't have it in either situation, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't get to the theme that you want to get to without rewriting the whole universe.

Even though, you know, they, they desperately, they desperately try.

Yeah, Doctor who is just such an interesting case study and, like, you can try to pull the, you can try to pull the values out of your hero, but if you write your hero well, the values just kind of show up. Because you can't write a hero without value, man. Like, I was telling Christian this, I think it's funny.

One of the best pieces of anti abortion media I've ever seen was made by the BBC in Russell T. Davies's era of Doctor who, the Doctor's daughter. It's not possible to watch that and not come away thinking, man, was that a pro life agenda? And because it's the BBC, you know, it's not right.

And it's like, okay, you guys are such hacks at writing stories even back then, that you accidentally wrote one of the best episodes that Advocates against one of your entire corporations core positions. This is how I know y' all can't write. Because if y' all understood what you wrote, you would have never greenlit that.

But I'm glad you did because it was amazing.

Well, we do have to end at some point in time here. We have places to be. Thank you both for being here. Had a really great time.

One of the things we do like to do at the end here is asking which of the topic we discussed today would be your top recommendation. I'm gonna say spider Noir. Like wasn't my topic. But you know what? It was great.

I'm gonna say Ocarina time because I'm actually, if I can find the funds for it, I'm actually going to play it. I'm actually going to play that remaster.

I'm gonna have to agree with you if you're gonna. You're gonna get one of these things that we talked about.

You need to play Ocarina time so that they can get away from the open world concepts that they doubled down on. I'm okay with the open world, but there kind of has to be some closed nature. Zelda's always kind of been semi open.

Go back to what made it it's or experience.

I'm not gonna come away hating Breath of the Wild if that's what you desire. But if you want me to give you like a whole video essays worth of praise on Ocarina, you already know that's gonna happen.

All I'm gonna want is for you to say that, hey, Zelda did lose something.

Hey, hey. If I see something that they lost, I'll be the first one to report on it, my brother.

Matter of fact, I'll be sure to come right back here to Systematic, bro, and I'll. I'll let you have your victory lap on that.

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