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Stepping Into Leadership Even When It’s Uncomfortable With Brandon Talagtag
Episode 312nd November 2023 • Speak In Flow • Melinda Lee
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In this episode, the Speak in Flow podcast delves into the exhilarating world of new leadership with Brandon Talagtag, a visionary in team dynamics and transformational leadership. Host Melinda Lee is on fire as she uncovers strategies and insights for those stepping into leadership roles.

1. Stepping into Leadership with Confidence

Embrace the Journey: Learn how to step into leadership and navigate the initial challenges with confidence and assurance. Overcoming Uncertainty: Brandon Talagtag shares practical insights on breaking down resistance from individuals uncertain about your leadership.

2. Nurturing Cohesive Teams Through Change

Managing Transitions: Discover effective strategies to maintain team cohesion during periods of change. Building Trust: Insights on fostering trust and unity within teams, even amidst transitions.

3. Effective Presentation Strategies

Embracing Vulnerability: Learn how to present with impact even if you feel you don't know it all. Authentic Leadership: Strategies to deliver compelling presentations while being genuine and true to yourself.

4. Tips for New Team Leaders

Brandon Talagtag’s Insights: Delve into the actionable tips and advice shared by Brandon Talagtag for new team leaders. Practical Steps: Key takeaways and actionable steps for those stepping into leadership roles. Find Brandon Talagtag on LinkedIn

Tune in and join Melinda Lee and Brandon Talagtag as they unpack the art of stepping into leadership roles, fostering team cohesion, and delivering impactful presentations on the Speak in Flow podcast. It's an episode filled with laughter, insights, and actionable advice for emerging leaders.

About Melinda:

Melinda Lee is a Presentation Skills Expert, Speaking Coach and nationally renowned Motivational Speaker. She holds an M.A. in Organizational Psychology, is an Insights Practitioner, and is a Certified Professional in Talent Development as well as Certified in Conflict Resolution. For over a decade, Melinda has researched and studied the state of “flow” and used it as a proven technique to help corporate leaders and business owners amplify their voices, access flow, and present their mission in a more powerful way to achieve results.

She has been the TEDx Berkeley Speaker Coach and worked with hundreds of executives and teams from Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Caltrans, Bay Area Rapid Transit System, and more. Currently, she lives in San Francisco, California, and is breaking the ancestral lineage of silence.

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Melinda Lee:

Hi, Brandon, it's good to see you. Thanks for

Melinda Lee:

being here.

Brandon Talagtag:

I'm Melinda, good to see you as well.

Melinda Lee:

Hi, I'm so glad you're here. And I'm glad you're

Melinda Lee:

here to share your experiences with us in terms of leadership,

Melinda Lee:

team leadership, and well, as well as some presentations,

Melinda Lee:

we're going to talk about how to improve our presentation skills.

Melinda Lee:

As you know, being a team leader, any leader presenting is

Melinda Lee:

very important. So let's start off with your journey, your

Melinda Lee:

journey in the retail space. Go ahead and tell us about what

Melinda Lee:

that was like for you.

Brandon Talagtag:

Of course. So for me, I have about eight years

Brandon Talagtag:

of retail experience. I started at the age of 16 at Target. And

Brandon Talagtag:

target was a very, very different time in the retail

Brandon Talagtag:

fields. very customer centric, very team orientated. And that's

Brandon Talagtag:

something I really enjoyed. So at the age of 16, to 18, I was

Brandon Talagtag:

just a regular target employee. I learned a lot because I was

Brandon Talagtag:

young. And then from there on at age 18, I became a manager. I

Brandon Talagtag:

was probably one of the youngest managers at target at that time.

Brandon Talagtag:

And every year from then on going forward, I became a new

Brandon Talagtag:

manager at a different position. So I first started in

Brandon Talagtag:

electronics going over into market and consumables. From

Brandon Talagtag:

there on going to the presentation, IO creating team

Brandon Talagtag:

leader, and then from there on, became a key holder and then

Brandon Talagtag:

progressed over to h&m right afterwards, took about a year

Brandon Talagtag:

away from Target, move over to h&m. And then there from there

Brandon Talagtag:

on. I moved over to McKenna capital where I am the office

Brandon Talagtag:

coordinator for the building today.

Melinda Lee:

Wow. And so tell me what do you think was your skill

Melinda Lee:

set or your strengths that made you one of the youngest the

Melinda Lee:

youngest leader, Team Leader at Target? What do you think that

Melinda Lee:

was?

Brandon Talagtag:

Well, first, I really enjoyed working. That was

Brandon Talagtag:

one of the major things that pushed me my dad always worked

Brandon Talagtag:

when he was younger, he doesn't really have a college degree. He

Brandon Talagtag:

just went to high school. And he instilled a lot of work ethic

Brandon Talagtag:

with me, he worked two jobs helped push me to where I am

Brandon Talagtag:

today. And I carry that forward and to target I worked

Brandon Talagtag:

tremendously well with team in a team aspect. I always made sure

Brandon Talagtag:

that I had my team members back, had my managers back and had my

Brandon Talagtag:

team in the best interest. And when I became a manager, I

Brandon Talagtag:

pushed for that as well. Each year I had a different team to

Brandon Talagtag:

work with. And in terms of continuity, that that's

Brandon Talagtag:

horrible. But it really just shows how willing I was to work

Brandon Talagtag:

with a new team, and just work with the new fields of

Brandon Talagtag:

leadership and target. And I wanted to instil team values

Brandon Talagtag:

every time I worked as a team. And when I left each team to

Brandon Talagtag:

move to a new team, I was very, very, very happy to know that my

Brandon Talagtag:

team bond that I had with my team prior kept going moving

Brandon Talagtag:

forward. It was kind of like a plug in place effect where a new

Brandon Talagtag:

team leader was able to take over where I was. And the ball

Brandon Talagtag:

just kept rolling. The ball just kept awesome.

Melinda Lee:

Wow, they must have been so happy that you're able

Melinda Lee:

to do that. And do you think it's because of the values you

Melinda Lee:

said, for each team, we had those clearly defined? What

Melinda Lee:

created the glue.

Brandon Talagtag:

I think it's I think when it comes to managing

Brandon Talagtag:

a team, it comes to building interpersonal communication, and

Brandon Talagtag:

just building a bond with your team, I let them know that I

Brandon Talagtag:

have their back. And just to put their trust in me as well.

Brandon Talagtag:

There's going to be some changes the board, there's gonna be a

Brandon Talagtag:

lot of plans and just a lot of things going on. And I know when

Brandon Talagtag:

it comes to changes, it's very, very daunting. Not a lot of

Brandon Talagtag:

people really enjoy change. I don't like change, but it's

Brandon Talagtag:

something that we have to do going forward. It's just the way

Brandon Talagtag:

that life is. And going back just instilling instilling the

Brandon Talagtag:

team knowing that everyone is here. And we have a process that

Brandon Talagtag:

we want to take care of. Even if it's scary, the team is here to

Brandon Talagtag:

have your back. And we want to just make sure that everyone is

Brandon Talagtag:

on a nice, comfortable level.

Melinda Lee:

Yeah. And so you're when you're managing these

Melinda Lee:

teams, you had some change to go through and change that you had

Melinda Lee:

to help them through. And so what I'm hearing is that you're

Melinda Lee:

able to even though they were scared or worried that you were

Melinda Lee:

able to like make sure let them know that you have their back.

Brandon Talagtag:

Yeah, and it comes back to building

Brandon Talagtag:

relationships. I think that's one of the main fundamentals of

Brandon Talagtag:

having a team and then when you build that relationship,

Brandon Talagtag:

communication becomes a lot more streamlined and a lot easy, a

Brandon Talagtag:

lot more easier.

Melinda Lee:

Were there times where people did not they're

Melinda Lee:

just resistant. Oh, of course. And then what would you do?

Brandon Talagtag:

So I guess very A more recent conversation

Brandon Talagtag:

that I had with one of my team members when I was at Target,

Brandon Talagtag:

this is the one that always comes to me, whenever I have any

Brandon Talagtag:

issues with a team, my team were my teams were very different in

Brandon Talagtag:

age, there was a lot of people that were older, maybe in their

Brandon Talagtag:

40s 50s. And then I had a lot of team members that were in their

Brandon Talagtag:

20s, I was 20, I did not know anything that I was talking to

Brandon Talagtag:

you about. Me and the older generation didn't have a lot of

Brandon Talagtag:

things to connect about. It was just and is something they know.

Brandon Talagtag:

And they were very upset that a younger individual was coming

Brandon Talagtag:

into their fields. And just knowing that I understood where

Brandon Talagtag:

they were coming from, it's not that they were mad at me, it was

Brandon Talagtag:

just, there's a lot of changes that are coming about. And it's

Brandon Talagtag:

always good to put yourself into someone else's perspective, and

Brandon Talagtag:

try to get them insight on what's going on. So whenever it

Brandon Talagtag:

comes down to a process change, or anything that's changing in

Brandon Talagtag:

the business, I want them to understand that this is nothing

Brandon Talagtag:

personal, the business is just going forward, it's progressing.

Brandon Talagtag:

It's continuing, and we want to be here for the ride. But you

Brandon Talagtag:

need to understand that the newer way of doing things, it's

Brandon Talagtag:

not anything to you, it's just how we're going to progress

Brandon Talagtag:

going forward as a business. And we want you to join us on this

Brandon Talagtag:

journey.

Melinda Lee:

And so was it a matter of just saying, Hey, this

Melinda Lee:

is nothing personal? Did you do is just a word that was helpful?

Melinda Lee:

Are there other things that you did to let them know that this

Melinda Lee:

is not personal? Because I can imagine the people out there

Melinda Lee:

some of the audience members that are like you who are

Melinda Lee:

younger, or maybe less in their eyes, just in terms of age, does

Melinda Lee:

that mean that you're more or less experienced, but you

Melinda Lee:

probably are experienced, more experienced? That's why they

Melinda Lee:

promoted you. But it's just the age, right? And it's the

Melinda Lee:

perception of the disparity of the age. Now you're talking to

Melinda Lee:

someone older, and they're like, Okay, how's this younger person

Melinda Lee:

who's this younger manager teaching me what to do? That's

Melinda Lee:

going to be very hard. So that just the words just now and

Melinda Lee:

letting them know, Hey, isn't nothing personal? Was that all

Melinda Lee:

that, like you use is that what was helpful? What was your other

Melinda Lee:

thing?

Brandon Talagtag:

I think there was a first start having a

Brandon Talagtag:

conversation, the first way to go about it. In the after that I

Brandon Talagtag:

wanted to involve them in the business and show them that this

Brandon Talagtag:

is the process, why we're doing it and what the end result can

Brandon Talagtag:

be kind of like the hand holding process going forward. When I

Brandon Talagtag:

started as a younger employee, I did not know what's going on at

Brandon Talagtag:

Target. I was just told to stock aisles and greet guests. But I

Brandon Talagtag:

had a manager that was willing to teach me and that's what

Brandon Talagtag:

instilled in me to do the same thing with my team. They showed

Brandon Talagtag:

me why we're stocking and why we're customer facing, it builds

Brandon Talagtag:

profit, it helps progress the business and then it makes

Brandon Talagtag:

success for the overall team. And that's what I wanted to

Brandon Talagtag:

share with my team going forward as well, that you're just not a

Brandon Talagtag:

cog in the process, you actually have an important piece that you

Brandon Talagtag:

present to the team. And that's what I did. So going forward

Brandon Talagtag:

after that, after the first initial conversation, kind of

Brandon Talagtag:

held their hand, push them forward through the whole

Brandon Talagtag:

process and gave them insight on why it's important to do this,

Brandon Talagtag:

not just, I'm telling you and get with the page, it's more of

Brandon Talagtag:

a, I want you to know because you're valuable to the team.

Melinda Lee:

Right. So it's about involving them into the

Melinda Lee:

process and letting them know that they're just not a cog that

Melinda Lee:

they're actually very important. And part of the change and and I

Melinda Lee:

imagine that also builds some bond, some type of connection,

Melinda Lee:

more so between you and the employee or you and that person.

Brandon Talagtag:

Yeah. At the end of the day for me, as a

Brandon Talagtag:

leader, it comes back to understanding them as a person,

Brandon Talagtag:

I don't want to make them feel left out. And including them and

Brandon Talagtag:

making them feel valued. Yeah, helped me progress through

Brandon Talagtag:

Target. I had a lot of people that really helped me out

Brandon Talagtag:

throughout my years as a manager. And I wanted to do the

Brandon Talagtag:

same for my team because I do not know what they're doing at

Brandon Talagtag:

the end of the day. Or maybe they want to progress through

Brandon Talagtag:

target as I did. I just wanted to do the same thing as what I

Brandon Talagtag:

learned when I progressed in my career.

Melinda Lee:

Right, right. So remembering passing a bow or

Melinda Lee:

right paying it forward, hey, the people that have taught me

Melinda Lee:

and using that same type of energy to also pass it along to

Melinda Lee:

other people. Yes, what? So now you're at mechanic capital. And

Melinda Lee:

now you do a lot of presentations firm wide, and

Melinda Lee:

that's to higher ups and you know, just across the firm,

Melinda Lee:

delivering big presentations. What has that been like now?

Brandon Talagtag:

It's, it's daunting. In all honesty, I'm

Brandon Talagtag:

still nervous when I go do presentations to the firm. I'm

Brandon Talagtag:

not because I'm scared of presenting, it's more, so I'm

Brandon Talagtag:

just not comfortable. Because I've been in target and retail

Brandon Talagtag:

for my entire career. And now joining an office management

Brandon Talagtag:

kind of Spectre kind of the financial field, I don't have

Brandon Talagtag:

too much knowledge in those aspects, I do know, a fair

Brandon Talagtag:

amount of knowledge, I do have knowledge that could get me

Brandon Talagtag:

going through the job. But I can't compare it to a lot of

Brandon Talagtag:

financial analysts. Here to some accountants being in Target, I

Brandon Talagtag:

was able to nitpick certain aspects, you know, I know some

Brandon Talagtag:

HR, I know, some sales, I know some project management, etc,

Brandon Talagtag:

etc. But when it comes to being here, in this office, I'm just

Brandon Talagtag:

not too comfortable as I was before.

Melinda Lee:

Yeah. And you're in like a year in a year and a half

Melinda Lee:

at McKenna now. And so what do you do to prepare for the

Melinda Lee:

presentations? And tell me more about the presentations that

Melinda Lee:

you're delivering? Is it? Uh, is it about the office

Melinda Lee:

administrator? Like, what did what is the content that you're

Melinda Lee:

covering? And what do you do to prepare?

Brandon Talagtag:

It's, it's more. So my presentation is like

Brandon Talagtag:

information that can be beneficial to the firm, whether

Brandon Talagtag:

it be events, whether it be anything pertaining to the

Brandon Talagtag:

office, it's just making sure that the Office runs smoothly.

Brandon Talagtag:

And if we have anything that helps benefit the office, I'll

Brandon Talagtag:

help present that. I am probably the most intertwined when it

Brandon Talagtag:

comes to Office affairs. When it comes to presentations, I don't

Brandon Talagtag:

want to just make myself feel comfortable on what I know what

Brandon Talagtag:

to speak of. To be prepared for whatever may come from there on.

Brandon Talagtag:

It just comes with being comfortable in what you know

Brandon Talagtag:

what to speak about, I suppose for me, as the individual. But

Brandon Talagtag:

whenever it comes to presentation, I just try to take

Brandon Talagtag:

a stride and whatever I can do.

Melinda Lee:

How often do you have to do it?

Brandon Talagtag:

I'm presentations for McKenna have

Brandon Talagtag:

been kind of dropping as of recently. You go right. It's

Brandon Talagtag:

very quick. But I see no issue. It's kind of like a quarterly

Brandon Talagtag:

basis do I know when to expect it at least within a certain

Brandon Talagtag:

quarter, but it kind of just gets plopped right in.

Melinda Lee:

I love it. I love it. And that's why you're that's

Melinda Lee:

I see you this is why I see is the great leader. And I'm very

Melinda Lee:

articulate. And I think that that's a part what I would like

Melinda Lee:

the audience to take away is that a you never know when it's

Melinda Lee:

going to happen. It could just plop I mean, you're going to be

Melinda Lee:

asked to speak and you never know when, right and then to

Melinda Lee:

just you have to be prepared. And so Brandon here, he's taking

Melinda Lee:

the time to be on this podcast, and stretch himself and be here

Melinda Lee:

to speak about his experiences to to know even though I may not

Melinda Lee:

feel as comfortable with some things, but I'm just gonna go

Melinda Lee:

lean into it anyways. And so for audience members that are you

Melinda Lee:

just know that the opportunity is going to come. So it's not

Melinda Lee:

about if it's going to come when it's going to come, it's going

Melinda Lee:

to happen because you're a leader. And so how can we better

Melinda Lee:

best prepare ourselves, especially if you don't have

Melinda Lee:

much time. And, and you're, especially if you're also a new

Melinda Lee:

leader, you might be in a new firm, and you might not know

Melinda Lee:

everything? And who really does, right? So how do you best

Melinda Lee:

prepare for some of these moments like this. And so one

Melinda Lee:

thing that you do do is do the best you can to do all the

Melinda Lee:

research, give as much information about your knowledge

Melinda Lee:

area, and then to know that you're not going to know

Melinda Lee:

everything, and that's okay. They're not asking you to know

Melinda Lee:

everything, but you do know enough and that they have faith

Melinda Lee:

in you, Otherwise, they wouldn't have put you and asked you to do

Melinda Lee:

that to step up and do that. And so then the rest is just about

Melinda Lee:

owning your space. And, and if I could share a technique, just to

Melinda Lee:

be able to allow us to feel more confident. So a lot of times

Melinda Lee:

when people prepare for the presentation, they focus on the

Melinda Lee:

content, what am I going to say? Right, I do all the research.

Melinda Lee:

And then before their presentation, they're only

Melinda Lee:

focusing on rehearsing that research. But that's only a part

Melinda Lee:

of the presentation. The the other part is, how do you how do

Melinda Lee:

I feel right now. So just getting in tune if you're

Melinda Lee:

feeling nervous, acknowledging that nerves, acknowledging, hey,

Melinda Lee:

I feel nervous. And taking about 10 minutes to because if we hide

Melinda Lee:

it, if you try to bury it, it actually gets a little bit more

Melinda Lee:

triggered. It wants to be heard. It's like hey, I want to like

Melinda Lee:

you just all you have to do is say out loud, I am nervous. And

Melinda Lee:

then you can start to journal. What am I nervous about? Or just

Melinda Lee:

say it out loud, walk around, say it out loud and the more you

Melinda Lee:

say it actually it starts to unravel from your ear. VA

Melinda Lee:

system, you'll start to feel better. Hey, I am nervous. And

Melinda Lee:

that's okay. There's no judgement. When you're like, I'm

Melinda Lee:

nervous. So you've already this at this point, you've already

Melinda Lee:

done the research, you know, the content. But then sometimes even

Melinda Lee:

though we know the content, we've done the research, we're

Melinda Lee:

still nervous. And you wonder why, right? Right? As we want to

Melinda Lee:

acknowledge the nerves, and when you acknowledge it, I'm nervous.

Melinda Lee:

I'm nervous. And that's okay. And then journal about it, and

Melinda Lee:

then transition and then transition, this is what most

Melinda Lee:

people are really good at doing. I'm going to pretend the nerves

Melinda Lee:

are not there. I'm going to do it anyways. But allow for like

Melinda Lee:

510 minutes to just say I'm nervous. It's a very powerful.

Melinda Lee:

Have You Ever Have you ever heard of the the technique in

Melinda Lee:

negotiations where we label if someone's angry, say, Hey, I

Melinda Lee:

hear that you're upset? I hear that you're worried about

Melinda Lee:

something. And when you say that to the other person, the Ashley,

Melinda Lee:

you can see that the nerves go away that you can see that the

Melinda Lee:

upset, actually diffuses you might as well do that same thing

Melinda Lee:

for ourselves. Yeah. Does that sound? How does that sound?

Brandon Talagtag:

Yeah, I think it just comes back to try and

Brandon Talagtag:

find a level of understanding whenever someone and they

Brandon Talagtag:

understand that this is a very pressing matter, or this is

Brandon Talagtag:

something that's important, or, you know, any emotions that's

Brandon Talagtag:

involved. And we understand that this is the conversation that

Brandon Talagtag:

needs to happen. It just changes the whole level of playing

Brandon Talagtag:

field.

Melinda Lee:

Yeah, it needs to happen and the emotions around

Melinda Lee:

it are not bad, or we don't judge them. I think most people

Melinda Lee:

want to avoid it. Right? We don't want to lean into it. So

Melinda Lee:

it's okay to give it some time to lean into that emotion. That

Melinda Lee:

if we're if we're nervous, five or 10 minutes before your

Melinda Lee:

presentation, lean into it, going knowledge that emotion, if

Melinda Lee:

you're feeling concerned about something worried about

Melinda Lee:

something. Now, the key is we don't you know, most people may

Melinda Lee:

stay there for too long. So then if that's the case, then you

Melinda Lee:

might want to seek some help write it, but if you go into it

Melinda Lee:

for a bit and lean into it and find that get curious, what do

Melinda Lee:

you you know, nervous about and write it out, it actually starts

Melinda Lee:

to help, it starts to defuse some of the nerves versus

Melinda Lee:

ignoring it. Like what you did, right, Brandon, you're here,

Melinda Lee:

you're doing this and then we're leaning into it versus avoiding

Melinda Lee:

it. Right? Avoiding. avoiding

Brandon Talagtag:

you, knowing the importance of the

Brandon Talagtag:

conversation as well. So for me, for example, when Black Friday

Brandon Talagtag:

or any important, you know, days come and there needs to be a

Brandon Talagtag:

conversation to the team, to help them to better them helps

Brandon Talagtag:

you know, myself, that helps making sure everyone is on the

Brandon Talagtag:

same page. Comfortable. That that pushes me to, to make sure

Brandon Talagtag:

this conversation has to be done. I may be nervous, or maybe

Brandon Talagtag:

a little stressed out. But at the end of the day, this has to

Brandon Talagtag:

get done to make sure that everyone is on the same page.

Brandon Talagtag:

And everyone's secure, safe, comfortable.

Melinda Lee:

I love that. I love that. Yeah. So once you've

Melinda Lee:

addressed the nerves, then you when you go into what is my

Melinda Lee:

reason for being what is my reason for doing this, whether

Melinda Lee:

it's a conversation with your team, or whether it's a firm

Melinda Lee:

wide presentation, then you say your your what is my reason for

Melinda Lee:

doing this, and whether it's, I just have a drive to support the

Melinda Lee:

vision of the firm. But you know, transition into that

Melinda Lee:

feeling of I'm so passionate about, you know, my leadership

Melinda Lee:

and who I am and speaking from that place, and then and then so

Melinda Lee:

having some special time to recall that at least five

Melinda Lee:

minutes and actually feel it that will help people that will

Melinda Lee:

help people to feel more that will help you to feel what it is

Melinda Lee:

that you want to feel like you want to feel courage or

Melinda Lee:

confident you feel it and then it'll help you actually manifest

Melinda Lee:

that in your presentation. Versus um, what am I gonna say?

Melinda Lee:

And then have it memorised? Or you know, what is my script?

Melinda Lee:

That's a different energy. Oh my gosh, I better be sure I know

Melinda Lee:

all my stuff. And then that's a different announced the, you

Melinda Lee:

know, just having that awareness of where your energy that before

Melinda Lee:

the presentation. Yes, right. Yeah. And so with your point is,

Melinda Lee:

Hey, I am so passionate about helping my team. I'm so

Melinda Lee:

passionate about getting this information out. Right and then

Melinda Lee:

and then embodying that passion.

Brandon Talagtag:

Yes, definitely. Yeah.

Melinda Lee:

Awesome. Thank you, Brandon. And so what do you have

Melinda Lee:

any what like 10 pips or last, what is your tip that you want

Melinda Lee:

to share for managers out there right now who are starting to

Melinda Lee:

form their team.

Brandon Talagtag:

Um, for, for me, it's always good to build

Brandon Talagtag:

interpersonal skills. And that's what pushed me through my eight

Brandon Talagtag:

years of retail. I don't think I could have done it by myself. I

Brandon Talagtag:

know a lot of managers that like to work without involving their

Brandon Talagtag:

team kind of just using them as workers, not really knowing what

Brandon Talagtag:

their day to day affairs are not knowing what goes on throughout

Brandon Talagtag:

their life. Learn I more about my team helped build a bigger

Brandon Talagtag:

relationship with my team, obviously, of course, but it

Brandon Talagtag:

just made everything so much easier. And at the end of the

Brandon Talagtag:

day, we're where people, we enjoy having those

Brandon Talagtag:

relationships. And that's what pushes you through any

Brandon Talagtag:

workplace. Right? You can't do it by yourself. Love,

Brandon Talagtag:

relationships pushes you through and it makes everything so much

Brandon Talagtag:

better.

Melinda Lee:

Yeah, that's a sign of a true leader. I take the

Melinda Lee:

time to get to know every single person on your team. So that

Melinda Lee:

when you know the times are tough, and you know they're

Melinda Lee:

coming, then it makes it easier for you to move through all of

Melinda Lee:

the challenges, because you have that bond and a connection with

Melinda Lee:

the team members. Yes, definitely. Awesome. Thank you

Melinda Lee:

so much, Brandon. I appreciate your time. And I thank you for

Melinda Lee:

being on the show and and good luck in your endeavours and

Melinda Lee:

continuing to rise.

Brandon Talagtag:

Thank you, thank you for the conversation

Brandon Talagtag:

today. And thank you for reaching out.

Melinda Lee:

Yeah, it's no problem. Take care. See you all

Melinda Lee:

next time to the next on the next episode.

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