The Spiritual Entrepreneur: Trusting the Universe Without Constantly Changing Direction

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Episode 291 • 6th February 2023 • Spirit Sherpa ~ Spiritual Growth for Spiritual Entrepreneurs • Kelle Sparta | Spiritual Coach and Business Coach

Y'all, I'm Jules. Welcome back to another episode of Spirit Sherpa, the show that helps and encourages you on your journey to unlock your magic mojo. With me, as always, is the spirit doctor, Kelle Sparta. Hello, Kelle. How's your week going? Hello. It's going awesome.

I love when the universe talks to me, and it's talking to me from 50 directions at once, which is both confusing and edifying.

It's like... It's like, "Oh, look, I'm getting 50 different messages. How do I put them together?" The answer is you don't. You let them percolate, and they come together- Right ... of their own accord. So if you end up in a space where the universe is talking to you and giving you messages from 50 directions, and, you know, I have so many friends who are psychic and so many friends who are great coaches, and so, you know, every time I turn around, there's somebody else who's looming, who's handing me another piece of the puzzle.

Um, you know, they're like, "Well, what's going on with you?" And I'm like, "Oh, well, this." And they're like, "Oh, here." Boom. Right? Everybody's doing this to me. And so, um, yeah, and then, you know, just random things showing up around me. So like, it turns out that Boquete is turning into Lily Dale, New York. And if you don't know what Lily Dale- I have no idea what that means.

Yeah. Yeah, so, uh, uh, somewhere back in the '30s or '40s, somewhere around there, um, a bunch of psychics moved to Lily Dale, New York, and Lily Dale is now the center for psychic readings. It is... You know, it is the place to go for psychic readings. And so Boquete is kind of... It, it, it's, it, it's just happening.

You know, I was talking to people who've been living here for years, and they're like, "Yeah, this is weird because we haven't had any spiritual stuff here at all in the whole time I've lived here, and I've been here, like, 10, 12 years." And right now, somebody put a post on one of the community groups and said, "Hey, I'd really love to have a spiritual community," and, like, 50 people said, "Yes, me too.

Me too. Me too. Me too." And so now not one, not two, but three different spiritual groups are forming, and they're all doing- Wow ... different aspects of the work. And it's not just newbies. It is a whole lot of elders who have just decided to retire here and, or move here like me, 'cause I'm not retired. But, you know, it's a lot.

No, you're not. You have a lot more to do. Oh, yeah. I got shit to do. But- Exactly ... it's, it's... Yeah. Um, I got way too much to say. I haven't even had a chance to write down, like, a third of even what I wanna say. So yes. Okay. Uh, but, but they're all showing up, and it's not just beginners. It's, it's advanced practitioners here.

So it's... I am very interested to see what shakes out as we go through this process, because something is coming here. Um, and you know, when you add to it the magic of the mountain, uh, the volcano Barú is just... The energy here is amazing. They, they call it tranquilo, right? Uh, it's just tranquility, right? Uh, uh, it, it- Mm

it's almost impossible to get angry here, and if you do manage it, y- you can't sustain it for long. It's just crazy. All of this is coming together, and I'm just watching it, and I'm like, "Huh, that's interesting. I wonder what that's gonna be. I'm not sure." So I'm waiting to see it evolve. Yeah. That's very cool and exciting.

Mm-hmm. 'Cause, you know, when you, you put those intentions out there, and the universe goes, "Hold my beer." And, you know, things happen. Trust me. Hold my freaking beer. That's the ultimate. Yes. That

is the ultimate hold-my-beer moment. Oh my God, that's funny. I love you so much. 'Cause I... You know? Well, I swear because... And, you know, the universe has a great sense of humor, and, and just when you think it's done, like, "Ah," it goes, "Just wait. That ain't nothing." You ain't seen nothing yet. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Mm, mm. Around the world, double snap. Yes, I went old school. So- Oh my God. All right. Well, speaking of the universe, like, you know, providing, it has provided us an awesome guest today. Yes. We, we, we have Dan with us today. Yes. So little known fact, uh, that unless you listened to the last episode he was on, in which case you know, um, Dan was my coach in what?

Like,: 2009

And I was like, "I don't wanna do the p- dog and pony show," is what my answer was. Okay. You're literally telling your coach this. Why am I not surprised? And he, and, and he, he's experienced, and he's like, "This is what you need to do, da, da, da, da, da, da, da," 'cause this is what he does. And you're like, "Nah, not so much."

Right. That's basically the story of my entire spiritual evolution, just for the record. And then, 'cause, now, now mind you, Dan, if you've ever listened to the episodes, you will hear Kelle say, "Oh, I've told my spirit guides to fuck off plenty of times." You know, "I'm not doing that. Fuck you. Not happening." You know.

No. So, so trust me when I say, and coming... I was, um, you know, a binging listener. That's how I got involved with Kelle and all. Please tell all of us listeners, how did you handle Kelle and...? Oh. Oh, my God. Like, I've just been laughing the whole time listening to you two speak. And yeah, Kelle, wow, yeah. I just remember I had to really take charge with her, has been my experience.

'Cause she's like everywhere. She's like, "I don't know about that. How about this? How about this?" Uh, but when she gets aligned, when she gets focused, she's like, "Yeah, this is it." Like, "Look out. Now it's, now it's lights out," you know? So that's been my experience work- with Kelle, in part. Like, there's so many stories.

We've known each other, like you mentioned, recently 13 years, so I mean, there's a lot of stories. Yeah, lots of stories, I'm sure. I, I'm afraid to let you tell them 'cause I don't remember them.

Yeah, I know them all. That's all right. Whatever. No, I forgot a lot of them too, I'm sure. Yeah. Well, I remember, um, one of the things that we talked about is you taught me the concept of using an energy scan to get people into, into the work that I do. Right. And that's actually what caused me to do those 3,000 energy scans that I then based my book, The, The, uh, Overachiever's Guide to Nailing Your Spiritual Growth in Record Time, uh, which has way too long a title.

Um, but I, I used the information from all those energy scans that you, uh, encouraged me to do to write that book, and to develop the, the whole system that I, I did. And, and I remember you looking at me going, "I could teach you my energy scan process, but you don't need it. You could do your own." And I'm like- Right.

"Uh, okay, probably. But what, what, what exactly am I looking for?" And you're like, "Oh, just, you know, the chakras and what's in them." And so of course, you know, what you teach and what I do are probably very, very different because that was the sum total of the, the instruction that I received ... and I just created my own system out of it.

And so- Sure ... but, uh, but you were right. You know, you knew that I could create it and, and that it would be uniquely mine, and that's exactly what it turned out to be, right? Um, and that's, that's kind of the thing about working with people in our genre, right, in our field, is that, you know, the, the, the hardest thing about being a coach for people in this genre is not substituting your stuff for theirs, right?

Making sure that their stuff comes shining through. And- Right ... um, and, and then there's the navigating the, the universe loves me, or it hates me, or it's been supporting me, or it's not supporting me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 'Cause we've all been there, right? Right. Right. And, and that's the subject for today.

And, and so before we get into that, I did, I, I gave you a lead-in that said you used to be my coach, but I didn't say who, who you were. I didn't think about you, so let me tell people who you are. Um, for those of you who have not been to his podcast yet, uh, you have, uh, Rock Your Sacred Purpose, is that right?

Or- No. No. Spiritual Rock Star is the name of your podcast, right? Right. You got it. Yeah. Yes, that's right. Spiritual Rock Star is the name of the podcast. And then, um, his website is yoursacredpurpose.com. And, uh, he does a wide variety of things. Why don't you tell a little bit about what you do with, uh, spiritual people so that they have an idea of who you are and where you're coming from as you're giving your advice?

Yeah. Right now I'm primarily focused on the spiritual entrepreneur, of course, which I really always sort of have been. And I'm really focused on helping spiritual entrepreneurs, usually they're coaches and healers, trainers, consultants, people along those lines. And I help them to- You know, honestly, I haven't messaged it this way a lot recently, but I really do help them to claim their deeper true power and really understand how their true gifts and then translate that into doing their, their next thing that's speaking to their soul, get soul aligned.

You know, doing their soul aligned mission in the world. And I help them to do that by guiding them on the practical steps that need to be taken in the business and guide them along that process to create the offerings and the, the value they have to share with the world, and then how does it want to break, be brought out there in a way that feels fun and joyful and light and all those sort of things.

And wee, more like that than ah. I gotta do this, ah. I got to find clients, ah.

Like, but more like, ah. I get to, oh my God, just working. Like, that's what I love to create for my clients. And so I find, like, the people I work with are really powerhouses. Usually they've had successes in their life, and then what I do is I just help them flip that switch to do it in their spiritual business, based business.

Because whatever reason, people have these disconnects between spirituality and power and money and all this stuff. So I help them realize, "No, it's okay. We can play here, play full out." And so that's the found- energetic foundation of where I'm coming from. And then, yeah, there's tactics, there's strategies, and all the rest come into that.

And yeah, I do a lot of things to support certain clients. Some, some of them I do go as far as helping them manage their business and copywriting and all this stuff. I feel like I do so many things. I love it, all the... I was making telemarketing calls this morning for a client. I mean, it's fun. It, it, it's fun.

I get to dabble in different things that way, and then I get to learn more how to make all these different little systems more efficient and effective and fun and And so it's, it's a great adventure, isn't it? Yeah. You never- Yeah, so- ... get bored, do you? Try not to. That's my goal. Seriously. I'm not gonna be bored.

I love it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So today we're gonna tackle one of what I see the most when I look at people who are newer in the process, and, and even those of us further along, we get in these spaces every now and again, which is, uh, what I like to refer to as the panic pivot, right? It's the, "Oh, crap.

That didn't work. Let me, let me go somewhere else," and, and it's usually right after you've thrown spaghetti on the wall and hoped it would stick, and you gave it all of, like, you know, five days, maybe 10 to stick, and then you went, "The universe didn't line up behind me, and people didn't start coming in all," and run, run, run, run, run, run, run.

"They didn't come running to me, so this must not be the right thing, and the universe must not be behind me, and I've got to go figure something else out," right? And then they go into confusion and, and lack of clarity and blah, blah, blah, right? "I'm a failure. Why is this happening to me?" Yeah. Well, the, yeah.

We've all been there. That's why we're having so much fun with this, right? We've all done it before. Right. Absolutely. Uh-huh. Absolutely. Been there so many times I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm stunned I got out.

Yeah. So many times I was there, so. Yeah. Yeah, and it's, it's always this, this, um, lack of clarity piece which for the longest time I thought was something real and then later realized that it was actually a resistance. Um, and that's really fascinating to me. So- Mm. Uh, you know, lack of clarity is just simply not trusting yourself to do what you know you need to do.

Yeah. I would say that's extraordinarily true, 'cause that's often what I say to my clients. I'm like- They say, "Well, I'm not clear," right? And you've d- dealt with this a lot, too, Kelle, with your client. "I'm not clear. I don't really know what it is." I'm like, "That's a lie. You actually do at some level know what's- what's true," when they put it to me that way.

Like, no, you do. So if you knew what was true, then what's true? And sometimes they still play the game, "No, I don't know." But we get to it faster sometimes when people give me that as their excuse. I'm like, "No, you actually do know. You do know." I always say you always know your one next step. So what's your next step, though?

What's your one next step? So everybody's like, "Oh, it's gotta be vastly complex and complicated. There's gotta be a hundred million different steps to build my business." It's like, it's like, no. There's like the more simplified, the better. Like, how can you do it in the most simplified way possible and allow it coming from that place?

But people, "Let's do ads," and I mean, I'm not against ads. I- I- I, again, I support all these different things. "Let's do ads, and let's- let's- let's try to build up the Facebook group, and let's try to get them there, and then let's do it onto my profile page, and then let's do the emails, and then let's..." I mean, it just, it goes on and on of just, "Oh, we gotta start our podcast.

Let's try a book. Let's try to..." We try so many different things, and yet there's these, like, very simple, more efficient, clear ways it could just happen. It could just, like, really expand your business And I do find it's much better optimally to start, for most people, everyone's a little different, to start with just one, maybe two max, like lead generation tools when we get into like lead generation here.

Just start with that and just really crush it there. And then we can look at ad- Okay. That's autom- And you get it automated even, right? Then you can build other systems. But to just constantly be just throwing shit around hoping something's gonna work, it's not a great strategy overall. It, it's not a great strategy.

Yeah. Well, and, and, uh, you know, I f- I think that that's sort of the advanced level of what I was talking about with the panic pivot too, right? Yes. Because the, the panic pivot is initially the what do I offer thing, right? Yeah. It's the, you know, well, I, I'm, I'm good at all of these things, and that's usually the big problem, right?

Is that I'm good at way too many things, and I can't offer them all. And so I'm just gonna do a two-hour class here and a two-hour class there, and a, a half-day workshop here and a full-day workshop there. And da, da, da, da, da. And none of them are connected, and none of them are coherent. And, and it's just a whole bunch of random stuff that you're kind of interested in teaching, right?

Right. And so there's no coherency to your message, and there's no coherency to your path. And so you're literally going off in 15 different directions, and then wondering why you're not getting anywhere because you aren't going in a single direction. Right. You're frittering your energy in way too many spaces, right?

And then it... Once you commit to a path, and one of the best pieces of advice I ever got was actually from a coach named Taki Moore, and he said, "Do one program with one lead magnet to one target market using one social media channel or one, you know, one, one marketing channel- Right ... for one year. Mm-hmm. And if you do that, you will be successful.

And I will tell you that that was true for me. And so- Mm ... it, the, the discipline to do that was intense, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, even today, I have empowered my assistant. Every time I come up with a wild new idea, which I do every two or three months, um, I- Two to three minutes, right? Two to three minutes. Two to three minutes.

Yep. I, I have empowered her to look at me and say, "We are not doing that this year. No." Right, right. She's my no girl, right? It's just like- Yeah, yeah ... 'cause I'm the yes girl. I'm yes to everything. And she's like- Mm-hmm ... "No, you can't do that." I'm like- Right These? And she's like, "No." Well, it would be fun. No. I'm like, "Pfft, okay."

Well, my angels are saying, they're all saying yes, yes, yes, right? No. Yeah. That's never my case. My case is just- That's not your case. Not is for some people. Well, I mean, you are religious. Some people say, "I'm inspired. My, I, I can hear Archangel Michael," or whoever it is, you know. They're all saying yes.

They're all saying yes. Yeah. What's your bottom line in your body saying? "Uh, let me see. I'm not sure. Let me check that out." Maybe not, right? Yeah. So we have to look at, like, right where you're sitting in this, this dimension, in this space. Right here on Earth, like, what's the real truth? What's the bottom line?

We get lots of inspiration. People like me and Kelle, yeah, we sit there and just come up with billion-dollar ideas all day long. "Oh, we are doing our own sue." And, like... But, you know, as far as what we're supposed to actually ourselves put our attention to, you know, it's, it's very mu- very much nor- narrow. And, and I've done it.

I, I've been, I've been that person that's like, "Let's do one of these, and let's do this. And, you know, I'm a channel. Let's just do spiritual stuff, and now let's do business stuff. And let's, let's do some life coaching. I got this other thing I share about men's empowerment." I mean... And, and I do do all those things, but it's got to happen in a certain sequence, order, flow, et cetera.

Otherwise, it will not, it will not be ultimately satisfying. It might be like, "Oh, it's so fun in the moment." And then you look at your bottom line in your business. You're like, "Crap, my business sucks so hard." That's what happens- Yes ... when you're just going all over the place, right? Yeah. It piss all over the place.

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So if I came to you, and I, I don't know if you can use a, a, a client, you know, no names mentioned, but I'll say I'll- Mm-hmm ... I'll come to you, right? We're gonna make this up. And I have a business, and I, I'll just say, um, I'm, I'm a Reiki too. We're gonna pretend that I'm a Reiki master and that I'm opening up a business.

We're gonna pretend that, okay? Okay. Great. Okay. And say, "Okay. So I can go work in the salon, and then I can also take clients at my house. Oh, but I'm kinda psychic too, so I kinda wanna do, like, the tarot readings and all of that. And I can market myself on Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and all the social media, and I wanna do all this stuff," and go.

So, so how do you help- The first thing I'm gonna ask you is how tired are you- ... from not doing all of that? That would be a great question, right? That'd be one, one approach. I'd be like- ... I would usually it's like I just, I just give them a download of what I actually heard that they're really meant to be doing.

"Oh, it sounds like you're a psychic consultant, and you ought to do it at a high level," or something like that. Like, it... "That's what I'm hearing. I'm not hearing all this other noise. I'm... That's what I'm hearing. That's what I'm hearing from Source right now. That's what we, we want to focus you on." Oh, okay, okay

everything else is avoiding stepping into your deeper power, right? It's like let me diffuse myself all over the place so I'm not called a heret- too much of a heretic. I don't wanna get strung up again like I have in all my past lives. Let me just do all that to keep it safe and make a little bit of money.

Maybe it'll work out, right? It's like, no. Boom, just do your thing. You know? You're safe. You got the ghost seal. You already did the persecution game, all right? It's time to thrive this lifetime. Now. Let's do it. You're meant to be rich doing this stuff. Let's go. Okay. So, well, I'm a Reiki- How do you feel about, how do you hear, feel about hearing you're meant to be rich?

Because you do realize that you're talking about this. You're make, quote unquote, "making this up," but you're not. Right. So, yeah. Right. So how do you feel about hearing you're meant to be rich? For me, I'm, I'm happy with that, trust me. I'm, I'm like, "Woo-hoo, let's go." If I, if I hear that this is your, what you're supposed to be doing and, and this is your path and you're gonna be, um, I always say finan- uh, financially peaceful.

You know, like I don't have to worry about stuff. I'm gonna be rich. You know, and, uh, for me, my ultimate, which I think would be so fun, you know, I'm this millionaire woman and I just donate to... You know, I hear about a single mom who is having trouble with her utility bill. Paid for a year. You know- Mm-hmm

and I, and I'll do all that anonymously. Do you know how much fun that would be? Oh my God, that'd be so much fun. Oh my God, so much fun. And so- Oh, I would take advantage of that of you. I'd be like, "Don't you wanna have all that fun? Let's go." You're like, "Yes, yes, yes, yes." Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. How do I get there?

You know? So it's like okay, well, I'm gonna have my Reiki practice, and da da da. But wait, but you know, I'm kinda getting really good at, you know, tuning in on people and giving them Reiki, and I might wanna go into being like a, a medi- how you call it? A medical intuitive. We're gonna make- Mm-hmm ... I, I think that's the right word.

Yep. That's the right word. So a medical intuitive, and then I can work in hospitals and... Well, I'm making this up. And, and work with clients or whatever. And so, so you actually look at all the information I'm giving you- Mm-hmm ... and you go through, kick out all the noise- Right ... and then you get all the information just direct from source going, "Nope, this is what she's supposed to be doing."

Right. Right, and you'll know it too eventually. At first you might be like, "I'm not sure. I'm not sure." And then all of a sudden it'll be like, "You know what? I think you're right. I'm feeling it. Yeah. That's for me. I wanna go in that direction." But yeah, some people are more stubborn than others at first- Or you can be like me

but yeah, they've, eventually people come around. Or you can be like me and kick and scream the whole time. Yeah. Right. Um- I'm doing it! No way! I can't even tell you how many times I don't wanna do the dog and pony show came out of my mouth. Right, right. You did. Not only just, you know, with everyone around me for months.

And I'm like, "Let's do a dog and pony show." Yeah. Everyone around me for months. That's all they heard. So, um, yeah. Right. So we, but this is what we do, right? We resist. We resist. Mm-hmm. And that's the pattern. And so initially we do the work in ourselves, and then we have to do the work in our businesses, right?

Mm-hmm. And so I, I, I wanna come back to the panic pivot, 'cause that's where we started, and that's what the- Mm-hmm ... we promised with the title of the episode. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, um, when you launch something and you don't- You, you, you throw it up, and you give it, like, a week, maybe two, to be successful. And then you're like, "Oh, nobody keeps locking in.

I must have to do something else." Okay? So what you're doing is you're handing an intention to the universe, and you're telling the universe, "This is what I want." And then two weeks later, you yank it back and go, "Oh, never mind." And then you put something else out and you say, "This is what I want." And then y- two weeks later, you yank it back and say, "Oh, never mind."

Right? And the whole time you're going, "Well, the universe is my parent, and it isn't delivering, and therefore it must not want me to have this." Mm-hmm. And the, the inherent problem is not the universe or its approval or disapproval. The inherent problem is seeing the universe as a parent and not as a partner, and not seeing it as a, you tell it what to do, and it goes and does it.

But you've gotta give- Mm-hmm ... it time, and you gotta give energy to what you're doing in order for it to... And, you know, give it, and then give it time to show up, because you're building energy in a direction, right? Right. And so you've gotta build that energy up. And, uh, the biggest challenge I see, and the biggest one that I faced, was this constant, "Well, how about this direction?

How about that direction? I don't know which direction, but blah, blah, blah. I'll, I'll go here. I'll go there. I'll go to the other place." Right? Mm-hmm. And, and, uh, then waiting for everything to, to percolate. Um, and if you're like me, and you have the, the misfortune to be about 10 years ahead of your time, you will launch things way too early and then come back around to them 10 years later and go, "Oh, it's time for this now."

Right? Mm-hmm. So yeah, we're, we're doing that in my business right now. So it's, it's, uh- Right ... yeah, I mean, that's just sort of the nature of the beast. So, um, but there is, there is a lot to be said for that. And so Dan, I'm sure you have stuff to say- Yeah ... on that subject too. Like w- I can think of some of my clients right now.

They might be a... Like, let's say if someone's on Instagram. I'm, like, hypersensitive to confidentiality of people. So, so let's say someone's on Instagram, and they're doing reels, and maybe they're a- actually having some success. But then we talk about, okay, but, okay, double down on that and, you know, get more intentional and, and focus more on that.

"You know, but I was also thinking of going local, and I was thinking about doing this other thing." Like, show up bigger here. "Well, I thought I could do this other thing though too." And so even when it's, it's like you said, like, if it's not working, it's one thing. Like, yeah, like, people stop right away often.

That's a whole issue. I see that too. But even if it's working, to go to that aspect, it may be working to a degree- And then, "Oh, well, I don't know, like, I'm not sure." And, and yet this same, same person might tell me like, "I know if I just trust it'll all work, but I don't know, what should I do these other things?"

And it's just all a matter of I'm not willing to trust the universe enough to just set my intention, get very intentional, just know these are the results I'm intending by going in this direction, period You know, the, people don't do that a lot in this industry. Like, they do not just set the intention very clear, coming up from the connection of source and, and more of that, like, intuitive, like, "I just, I just want X.

I want, I want five clients this month, and, you know, this is the way I wanna create it. You know, this is the way I wanna manifest that," right? And just trust that feeling you get. Like, that's the way. I don't know how it's gonna work, but that's what, the way it wants to happen. I can feel it, you know? I can feel it.

Or you get an, a, an inkling of it at least, so it's a possibility. And then at least if it's a possibility, then you can lean into it, and then it becomes reality. I had one client recently, he's like, I told- he's got, he's done work with, like, thousands and thousands of clients. Ton, ton, he's just done tons of transformation work for people, and yet he doesn't have anybody referring to him 'cause he's shut down around referrals.

Not because he isn't good enough, 'cause he hasn't opened his energy, much less ask anybody for referrals. And after one... I've been talking to him for, after, for a while about this, but I, I, after one session of really pointing the energy on it and saying, "Okay, listen, you've got to go down this pathway of opening to referrals.

You, heck, you know, you, you know, you, this is you." Uh, bottom line. Like, again, giving out too much information. And the next thing you know, uh, even without he taking, he just got open to the possibility, and then he was just like, "Yes, you're right. Hallelujah. Okay, let's do it." And then he had, like, three people out of the blue, like, start referring to him right away.

Like, we didn't do anything on the physical level to take new actions. But it all, it just, boom, it just happens. And that's what happens. So one of the things, one of the gifts I have for people that are open, like in my own life it happens when I get clear on something, I just bring in the intention. I'm just like, "This is happening," and then, and then bang, in no time flat, right?

It starts happening, and I'm sure listeners have had this experience, right? When you get clear, then things are gonna happen. And yeah, the mechanism, the strategy is usually pretty simple and clear. It's not like some highly complex thing you gotta figure out all the time. Sometimes it is. If that's the kind of fun you like to have, maybe it becomes complex.

You gotta figure out this funnel, and it's all gonna work. If that's part of your fun and for your spirit, like, you really wanna do that, then that's fine. I don't, I'm not against any of it. I'm like, what lights you up? What do you wanna do? What do you wanna create? What's your, your thing? And then we create that.

So whatever it is, it's a matter of getting clear about what kind of fun you wanna have, and then creating that, as long as you're not BS-ing yourself, which happens quite a lot. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. I- Y'all got to keep it real, peoples ... I apologize. I- Yeah. I got kicked out of the recording for a second, so I missed some of what you said, so if I repeat you, that's why.

Okay. Okay. So, yeah. It's all good. So, you know, a lot of this comes down to inner belief structure. Nothing like losing coherency in the middle of an episode. Woo-hoo. All right. That's no fun. So, um, yeah. So a lot of this comes down to, uh, the inner belief structure, right? It's, it's- What we, what we will allow ourselves to have...

And now she's gone. And what we will not allow ourselves to have. So, um, you know, the, uh, I think that a lot of times when people are successful and they try and go off in another direction, or they don't wanna double down or stuff like that, I think a lot of times it's because they're comfortable with the level of success they have, and despite the fact that they're like, "I want more," they, they aren't ready to receive it.

They aren't ready to become the person who has more, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and I think this is why it's so important. I think this is... Honestly, I think this is why the, uh, the, the comment about your income is the sum of the five people you spend, the average of the five people's incomes who you spend the most time with.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I, I think that's absolutely true, because it's the mindset. It's the, the way that you think. It's the, the, you know, literally the higher your income goes, the, the more the way you think about money, the way you think about business, the way you think about, uh, uh, c- customer growth and things like that, everything changes as you go higher up in the process.

And, you know, the way that you think about it when you're making 1,000 or 2,000 a month versus 5,000 versus 10 versus 25, so on and so forth, you know, it, it changes every time you get to a new level. Right. And you have to be willing to allow your mindset to change as your income, as you want your income to change, because it has to or else you're not gonna make the shift.

Right. Right. Exactly. Your mindset absolutely has to change. Everybody... You know, it got really popular and, and I was a part of it to a degree, but, like, what got really popular is this idea just raise your frequency, which is true, but there is a mindset container ultimately that's there, however you wanna conceptualize that, but there is a mindset container.

"Man, I'm in joy all day. I'm happy." Yeah. Well, what's your mindset around money? That, uh, it doesn't matter how high your joy is, if your mindset around money is shit, you're still not gonna- Right ... see the results you want financially, right? "Yay. I don't care how much money. I don't need no damn money." Okay, that's fine.

I don't think you're being honest with yourself, but- I do. Right. I do. Most people are honest. They're like, "Yeah, I mean, I could be okay without money." Some people, if you're that high, uh, level of actualization, sure, you might be okay without it, but you want it. Trust me. You want that money. So, so you gotta get that...

You gotta sharpen up your mindset around it and do all the things everybody's heard before, like- Money does grow on trees. You know? Like, just all the different things. I am infinitely valuable. I have incredible value. One of the big blocks is people don't think they're actually that valuable. They're like, "I don't know.

I'm another coach. I'm pretty good." And, or if they think they're really good, then, "But I don't wanna mess up my perfect streak, you know? If I expand beyond this, then maybe someone's gonna judge me. I'll be wrong. I'll be horrible." Okay. Okay, that's just a fear. We need to move through that, 'cause even if that shows up, we need to move through that.

Okay, we need to move through it now and just pretend it happened. You were s- someone judged you, you were harshly judged, or you went bankrupt or some horrible thing hap- All right, it already happened. All right, now what? Okay. Ultimately, it leads back to expansion. It's like, oh, I would start again. I would...

Or something like that, right? I wanna go, I wanna expand. I want to expand. I do wanna expand with this. And just continue to take a look at the v- like, the fear of visibility, that I'm gonna be rejected. I'm empathic. Oh my God, it's gonna be... I, I... People will be throwing daggers at me. I feel it. And okay, what if you get daggers?

I won't be taken seriously. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like- Like, so what? Oh, whatever, daggers. Whatever. Okay. They're just a little- Well, I wanna, I wanna I wanna charge more money, but rich people are assholes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so. So just be you and thrive. You can be you. Be you. Just be you. Like, I- we've heard it all before.

I'm saying, if you just be you fully, and you're like, you wanna serve, like, that's what creates wealth, is the want, desire to serve in some way, right? Right. Even the people you think are assholes, they're looking to serve in some sort of way, whether you like it or not. They want to serve. Well, and y- They want to serve

you know, yeah, what I'm saying is that there's a, there's a cultural norm in the, in the woke world... And I'm not saying that in a bad way. Uh, but there's a cultural norm in the woke world that, that rich people are assholes- Mm. Mm ... that rich people don't care about people, right? Mm-hmm. And, uh, what I'm saying is that it's a falsity, right?

Right. Completely. There, there are people who are rich, and there are people who are poor who are assholes, who don't care about people. Right. And there are people who are rich, and there are people who are poor who love people and care about them and a- act in ethical ways. And so this is the other reason to hang out with people who are in the echelon that you're aspiring to, because then you get to prove to yourself that there are people in that echelon who are not in that cultural norm that you're being programmed with every day through media, right?

Mm-hmm. And so, you know, this is, is one of those situations where you've gotta recognize not just what is yours, but what is being programmed into you on a daily basis, right? Right. Yeah, you don't want wealth. We need more worker bees. Be... Realize we're all assholes and you just wanna stay down there, right?

That's how I see the programming. I mean, I really do. Uh, work hard, maybe you'll get ahead, maybe you'll get a promotion. Keep working hard, you know? Instead of, like, operating from the huge space that you are. Where are you getting that in your education? You don't get that from the mainstream, right? Never.

You're never gonna get that message. Well, maybe in the future, right? We'll see. Yes. But we're not g- we're not getting that for a reason, okay? We can rise, we can rise above that. We can allow ourselves to realize who we are, finally. Listen to Kelle's podcast and whatnot, right? We can start to realize we're a lot more than that.

We're a whole lot more than that. We just get to have fun in this physical experience, doing these businesses, doing our, calling our purpose and mission, and then serving people, which is what is the real juice. And the money just happens to come along for the ride. The, the, the container is first of service and it's like, yeah, we need the money flowing because that's what's creating the level of service that, that we're intending to circulate, right?

The bigger the amount of cash, the higher the level of good that is b- being realized in the process, as long as you're holding it in a container of love and service for, for everything, right? This is servi- this is gonna, gonna totally, uh, serve, serve this person that I'm serving right here and this, this group of people, and then it's gonna go out back into the community.

It's going here and there. As long as you continue to be of that focus and intention, that's all it can do, 'cause that's all it is. It's just we're just playing this energetic game. Yeah, who cares? What are you gonna do? Give all your power away because other people play it a different way? Forget about it.

Like play... You know, stop giving your power away. Take it back. Start being you beautifully, and do your big thing in the world, and just be like, "Hey, you know, 100,000 a month is nothing. That's a drop in the ocean." Think about the economy. The economy has got like countless trillions of dollars in it, and we can make, put more zeros anytime at the end of...

You know, that's what they do. They just, "Oh, let's add some, uh, let's put some zeros in here." It's not... There's nothing real at all about it. We're making it all up as we go along, so you may as well make it up in your own way, right? Just make it all up and start having fun with it. Okay. Well, I think Dan just delivered the Kelleism for the day.

Oh. Take

your power back- I love it ...and have fun with it. All right. All righty. I love it Okay. I love it. So, so, um, the, how do they find you if they want to talk to you? Sure. They can find me at yoursacredpurpose.com, and there's a couple of things there. One, you can... There is a free meditation, so if you want to start there, that's incredible.

Like, I use it myself. Uh, so you've got the ability to- I know you're listening ... just become open, open up the chakras a little bit, start getting your downloads for the day, and get connected to the energy of money. It's the money... Uh, meditate and make money meditation. So meditate and make money meditation.

And I defy anybody to listen to it every day and not see your prosperity grow. I defy anybody, ever. As long as you go in open and wanting- Challenge accepted ... results. Okay? I was just gonna say that. Challenge accepted. Okay. All right.

I'm telling you, it works. It totally works. So go get your free meditate make money meditation. Also, there's the Rock Your Sacred Purpose energy scan consultation. Rock Your Sacred Purpose energy scan consultation on my website. That's the other thing. For those of you who are ready to rock, truly, you know, you are a powerhouse or you know you're a powerhouse- Mm-hmm

you're ready, you're ready to rock. You're ready to start your business. You're ready to take it to another level or take it in a new direction, whatever may be the case, I'm here to help you to do that. It starts with that consultation. You actually have to invest in it, okay? It's unlike a lot of consultations out there.

You have to invest in it. You can't just, "Oh, I'll just, I'll talk to him for free, and I'll do all this stuff for free." I will give you real value through this real consultation, and if you're ready for more and if it's a fit, we can do more together. I can only work with so many people at a time during, uh, in my one-to-one container anyway, because, you know, I work really powerfully and deeply with people.

I really want to intimately work with people. But I can definitely- And I can attest to that. Yeah. I can definitely bring you real results in a short period of time through a consultation. I even do quick tune-ins on my podcast where my guests are like, "Oh my God, that was so important to me what you said, and it's changed my life."

So imagine what a full consultation could do for you. So just check that out at yoursacredpurpose.com. Awesome. So he will rock you people. As always, we'll put that in the show notes so that you can find it- Yes ... if you're listening and you can't, you can't get to it right now. Awesome. All right. Dan, thank you for coming on the show.

This has been awesome. I s- uh, and I'm a complete student and learning every day, and I've learned so much in this episode talking with you. So thank you so much, and I accept your challenge. I'm gonna listen to that meditation, just saying. Yeah. That way I can become, you know, boss millionaire and just, you know, hand out money-

and, you know, anonymously to help out people, 'cause that would be way cool. All right. Mm-hmm. So, um, that is all that we have for, for you this week, folks. Uh, tune in next time when Kelle adds another chapter into your guide to energy, magic, and the spirit world. I'm Jules, here with Kelle and Dan, and you have been listening to Spirit Sherpa.

So long, everybody. Bye. Bye-bye.

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