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DaBoyDame's main message: authenticity — finding and nurturing real talent and turning hustle into a legacy — beats flashiness every time. I sit with Dame as he walks us from intern days at 106 to top A&R bossing up artists like Glorilla and Paris Nice, and we laugh about the wildness and warmth of Oakland the whole time. We dig into how he spots artists (hint: they usually come to you), why he values real people around him, and why modesty and staying grounded matter more than clout-chasing. Along the way we trade stories about family, faith, and the weird world of social media — plus a few gems on how to survive this industry without losing yourself. I ask the tough questions about mentoring youth and mental health, and Dame gives honest, actionable advice about building your circle and creating your own family when blood isn’t an option. It’s funny, heartfelt, and practical — equal parts career playbook and feel-good huddle — so if you want the blueprint for turning a hustle into something that lasts, come hang with us.
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Sam, What's up?
Speaker A:What's up, y'?
Speaker A:All?
Speaker A:It's Dr. Stanz.
Speaker A:You know who it is I'm here with.
Speaker A:Turning your hustle into a legacy with my guy.
Speaker A:Your boy.
Speaker A:Dang straight.
Speaker A:Oakland in the building.
Speaker A:Top producer, A and R producer.
Speaker A:Listen, honestly, I'm gonna let you introduce yourself.
Speaker A:Cause he got a long list.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I did, you know, I did the research on you.
Speaker A:I feel like he was probably one of the first guests that I researched to.
Speaker A:Cause I'm lucky to have you.
Speaker A:What's up, brother?
Speaker B:No, I'm chilling.
Speaker B:Finally made it out to you.
Speaker A:Listen, they want me to have gray hair.
Speaker A:Like, everybody want me to look old and not look good for 43.
Speaker B:Cause, baby, nah, nah, you good.
Speaker A:Dave is a hard.
Speaker A:Nah, he wasn't hard, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:He actually rocked and came through, so I appreciate that.
Speaker B:I think he wanted to have something going on, but, you know, I just don't want to come waste people time and just talk.
Speaker A:I just told this man, first of all, what we just say.
Speaker B:Nah, nah.
Speaker B:You hyped me, though.
Speaker B:You told me.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Like, no, when I.
Speaker A:When I Google you, it say legendary.
Speaker A:My show is about legendary.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And like, how I even think of myself.
Speaker A:Where you used to be and where you is now.
Speaker A:Like, you doing big things, bro.
Speaker A:And I appreciate.
Speaker A:Honestly, I appreciate your modesty.
Speaker A:You're very modest and humble, and a lot of people I feel like that would be in your position are not like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, what makes you like that, man?
Speaker B:I keep real people around me.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:Even though I work in this industry, my.
Speaker B:My everyday friends and family, not in this industry.
Speaker B:So I'm still talking to, you know, people who could care less.
Speaker B:They happy for me, but at the same time, they got their own issues in life.
Speaker B:And they'd tell you, though, they.
Speaker B:They don't got to be political with me.
Speaker B:So they tell you, like, what you wearing that for?
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Why you talking like, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, they keep me grounded.
Speaker A:So I think that's good.
Speaker A:It's very healthy to have real.
Speaker A:I actually just did one of my YouTube channel on that.
Speaker A:It's hard to find real when you're in the industry.
Speaker A:Everybody either after the bag, the fame, or even you as a person.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's real weird.
Speaker A:But anywho, I just.
Speaker A:When I did a little research on you, I noticed you started on 106 as an intern.
Speaker B:Hell, yeah.
Speaker A:And look at you now.
Speaker A:What was that 10 years ago?
Speaker B:That might have been, like, 14, 15 years ago.
Speaker A:How old are you?
Speaker B:I'm 38.
Speaker A:You're young.
Speaker B:I'm getting there.
Speaker A:You ain't 40.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm 43.
Speaker A:You got kids?
Speaker B:I got.
Speaker B:I got one.
Speaker B:One.
Speaker A:You so cute.
Speaker B:One cool joint.
Speaker A:You know, you are cute.
Speaker A:What's your sign?
Speaker B:I'm a Gemini.
Speaker A:No wonder.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Air sign.
Speaker A:Very authentic.
Speaker B:Okay, I don't believe in signs.
Speaker B:I just know me and Tupac born on the same day.
Speaker B:And in my mind, one day is like, dear Mama, keep your head up.
Speaker B:The next day is like, toss it up.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:That's how I justify my Gemini.
Speaker B:Oh, I.
Speaker A:Trust me, I'm actually extremely compatible with you guys because I'm afloat like this.
Speaker A:But, y', all, I understand both sides.
Speaker A:Everybody can't handle both your sides.
Speaker B:I just feel like a Gemini.
Speaker B:Like, I just feel like I'm extreme.
Speaker B:If I don't with you, I extremely don't with you.
Speaker B:If I with you, I extremely with you.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That's why we compatible.
Speaker A:There's no gray area with us, okay?
Speaker A:We're black or white either.
Speaker A:You feel what I'm saying?
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:We ain't gonna fake it at all.
Speaker A:It's not a fake bone in our body.
Speaker A:That's why we compatible, because you understand me, and I understand.
Speaker A:I'm Leo, so you understand me.
Speaker A:I understand you.
Speaker A:So that's what set.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:One thing I really loved about you.
Speaker A:You go everywhere with moms.
Speaker A:You're a mama's boy, and she's so cute.
Speaker B:Nah, she crazy.
Speaker A:I see that mom's with it.
Speaker B:She the total opposite of me.
Speaker B:She the party starter.
Speaker B:She the walking in here like, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker B:I'm the.
Speaker B:Like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Nah, that's my people.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I see y' all at the games.
Speaker A:I see.
Speaker A:I think that's when I first DMed, yo, but.
Speaker A:And I think I seen you shout out to Carter Block.
Speaker A:I seen you on either Carter Block or Dreg.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker A:You was on one of them.
Speaker A:And I did.
Speaker A:Then that's when I started reaching.
Speaker A:I'm like, who is this cat?
Speaker A:Because if you on a platform talking to him, in my mind, you somebody, right?
Speaker B:Nah, shout out to me.
Speaker A:Yeah, shout out, right?
Speaker A:So I was like, let me see what's up with them.
Speaker A:But anyway, I want to know, like, what made you want to get in the music industry?
Speaker A:Because I know you starting as an intern on 106.
Speaker A:In that moment, how old were you, that's 15 years ago.
Speaker B:So what you 18, 20, 19, whatever.
Speaker B:I got there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think I started with chewy at like 19 maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But I, I didn't have an idea of being in the music industry, you know.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:No, I think it was just.
Speaker B:I mean my first recollection of music is like burning CDs, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like limewire and all that shout out.
Speaker B:And I just always seen what music did for people.
Speaker B:Like even when we was like in these house parties and like I seen with the like turnt up music will make angry.
Speaker B:I seen how the girl songs would get girls dance.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I seen the emotions of like even when you at your like mom or grandma house and it's a Sunday and they cleaning up or you know, somebody might be sad, I'm like, damn.
Speaker B:Music is really plays with everybody's emotions.
Speaker A:Very impactful.
Speaker B:So that's probably like my first just oh, I like music thing.
Speaker B:And then with Chewy, I actually left to go to college and just coming back and forth, I met Chewy.
Speaker B:Oh, and then they actually asked me to be an intern at the radio station.
Speaker B:But they wanted me to do the.
Speaker A:Street Team shout out to what's his name, Mike Filmo, Mike.
Speaker B:Dc, Shay Diddy, everybody.
Speaker B:We was all in the same little collective, but I was already doing radio back in school in Atlanta.
Speaker B:So like I kind of respectfully declined it with Chewy.
Speaker B:Just with the street team.
Speaker A:Oh, street team.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Because I just felt like I'm hosting shows, I'm talking to the.
Speaker B: iewing like this Atlanta what?: Speaker B:I'm talking to the 2 Chainz and the Ti's.
Speaker A:Oh, so you was bigger than the program.
Speaker B:I just felt like it was a little bit more advanced than, you know, hanging up, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So I told Chewy that and Chewy was like, man, just come with me.
Speaker B:Oh, I was.
Speaker B:Me and Chewy been locked in ever since.
Speaker B:But yeah, I was intern.
Speaker B:I was in the little room with him.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker B:Writing up questions for guests, going to get coffee for people.
Speaker B:I was just his intern.
Speaker B:Him and Lady Ray, my emotion.
Speaker B:And I don't know, Chewy took a liking into me and he started allowing me to be on the radio.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:So that's where like the dame, the intern come from.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:He allowed me to be like, dang, what'd you say?
Speaker B:Or dang, what you think about this, you know, or kind of how I do you, Percy.
Speaker B:So yeah, Chewy wouldn't like.
Speaker B:He wouldn't keep me hidden.
Speaker B:It'd be like.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker B:Dang.
Speaker B:The intern.
Speaker B:What you think about this today?
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:You know, I was young, so my thought process was probably way more immature and probably funnier.
Speaker B:And so he used to utilize that.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So that's how I got with Chewie at radio.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker A:That's what'.
Speaker A:I know you A and R. Wait, Top A R. You know, I got to throw that in here, man.
Speaker A:I ain't.
Speaker A:I'm going to get flowers when they need to be given for Yatti.
Speaker A:CMG what I think.
Speaker A:What's.
Speaker A:Who's your biggest with gorilla?
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You can work with hella people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Our.
Speaker B:Our roster probably one of the biggest.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:Think Glorilla the money bag.
Speaker B:Fo two Doug Estg Zillionaire Do Mazzy Black youngster.
Speaker A:Did you do Kayla?
Speaker A:Was that you?
Speaker B:That little Kayla?
Speaker A:You found her or whatever?
Speaker B:No, Lil K her.
Speaker B:I just bring her out when I do shows, so.
Speaker A:Got you.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:We did a Glorilla show and she came out and popped out.
Speaker A:Shout out to little Kelly.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's my peoples.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's a Cutie.
Speaker A: I love: Speaker A:Shout out to you, Little K. What else?
Speaker A:Oh, no, she go crazy.
Speaker A:I. I really love her.
Speaker A:You're over another young lady.
Speaker A:What's that little cute.
Speaker A:The cute little light bright one.
Speaker B:Paris Night.
Speaker A:Paris Nice.
Speaker A:She coming up.
Speaker A:Shout out to Paris.
Speaker A:Get her here.
Speaker A:I want her next because I see she's.
Speaker A:She's moving.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:PE been doing like her style.
Speaker B:I like talking.
Speaker A:Yeah, she do.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker A:She's different.
Speaker A:She's not like who she.
Speaker A:She remind me of an MC light.
Speaker B:A lot of people tell her that.
Speaker A:Do they really?
Speaker A:Like, she remind me of just smooth, real pretty, girly baton boy.
Speaker A:That was a good.
Speaker A:So did you, like, scout her?
Speaker A:Like, did you find her?
Speaker A:How does that work?
Speaker B:Yeah, when it comes to artists, like, it's.
Speaker B:I don't necessarily go looking for artists.
Speaker B:I think they just.
Speaker B:They come to you.
Speaker B:So me and her OP teacher from high school.
Speaker B:From her high school PE teacher.
Speaker B:We went to school together and came up together and he hit me and was like, man, check out my student.
Speaker B:Really happened.
Speaker B:It happened to be Paris.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So talent.
Speaker A:Okay, so that's.
Speaker A:But so you do take the talent, though, and take it to the next level.
Speaker B:Yeah, we tried to take it.
Speaker B:Well, you don't work all the time, but yeah, now we try for sure.
Speaker A:I think you do a good job at it.
Speaker A:I really do.
Speaker A:Like, literally.
Speaker A:I mean, to me, it's so much talent out there.
Speaker A:Like, how do you, like, what made you choose her?
Speaker A:Like, just initially for the people to know, like, maybe.
Speaker A:Cause if they feel they want a chance with you.
Speaker A:Cause I know your phone crazy.
Speaker B:It gotta be sick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You cut it off on Sundays, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Sunday days.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:How do you know to, like, what do they need to, like, get in your presence?
Speaker A:If that makes sense.
Speaker A:How do they get in dang presence?
Speaker B:I mean, I think you, for me, the people who co sign people, I. I know when there's no motives, right?
Speaker B:I know, like, everybody believe in their little cousin.
Speaker B:Everybody believe in their sister.
Speaker B:Everybody believe in their kid.
Speaker B:But, like, if your PE teacher is like, yeah, I think you should hear this.
Speaker B:That's like a little different.
Speaker B:Or, you know, when it's that random person.
Speaker B:Like, even when we tried to do, like, business, like, herpe, teach my boy, Woo, he was like, bro, I don't want that.
Speaker B:I'm a teacher.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I'm like, I don't know what to do with, like.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, I don't need nothing for this.
Speaker B:Like, I just wanted to make sure she was with my people.
Speaker B:So I like that.
Speaker B:When it comes to just finding new people, though, if you take peers, I think for her, she from East Oakland.
Speaker B:She not hyphy.
Speaker A:She's not.
Speaker A:That's why I like her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think for, like, Oakland is different sides of Oakland that don't get showcased a lot.
Speaker B:So for her, I was like, man, you kind of like the girl next door.
Speaker B:You're not necessarily in the streets, but you know it.
Speaker B:You see it.
Speaker B:Your people in there.
Speaker B:But you also, like, you know, to me, she reminded me of like, the D boy little sister.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Who was like, I know this life, but they not in it at all.
Speaker B:She's dealt with the circumstances of East Oakland as well.
Speaker B:So, yeah, she just.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:She rapped better than anybody.
Speaker A:To me, she's raw.
Speaker A:Yeah, I've watched her.
Speaker A:I've studied her too.
Speaker A:And what?
Speaker A:She has the look as well, though.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's very pretty.
Speaker A:She seems very classy and graceful when she do rap.
Speaker A:And it ain't like I feel like,.
Speaker B:Steph, you know how she ain't rap.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:She ain't for zero, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And guess what?
Speaker A:She don't have to oversell sex to show talent.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:I. I'm so tired.
Speaker A:This is why a lot of times I don't scroll.
Speaker A:I'm so tired.
Speaker A:You already know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker A:I'm tired of the bbls and the ribs in the case they have your titties sitting up.
Speaker A:Like, I'm tired of the plump lips to you.
Speaker A:Get what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And they think that's what is going to create fame.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it overshadows they talent.
Speaker A:And I think.
Speaker A:But I'm going to keep it 100.
Speaker A:I feel like not you per se, but other guys that's in your position.
Speaker A:That sells for them.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Meaning that.
Speaker A:That captivates them.
Speaker A:So they're like, yeah, I'll make you a star.
Speaker A:Because they.
Speaker A:They're whipped with the.
Speaker A:The look.
Speaker A:You definitely am.
Speaker A:Don't you like that?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think for, like, the women, it's just about being unique.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:Like, you say when you scrolling down somebody page and you see them rapping, you want to be like, oh, I never seen this person before.
Speaker B:Rather than like that look like the girl from the other scroll.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So now I've been kind of blessed to come across girls artists, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:From Paris to Kamiya to Dej Loaf, like, Shout Out.
Speaker B:I don't know why, but I'm always a part of some.
Speaker A:This show purpose.
Speaker B:I'm just saying I come across the women.
Speaker B:That's like, original.
Speaker A:What you think about Tuesday?
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:You know, I'm from West Oakland, so I'm.
Speaker B:I'm for anything.
Speaker A:She putting y' all on a little bit.
Speaker B:She the biggest thing.
Speaker B:Our moms went to school together, actually.
Speaker A:Yeah, she.
Speaker A:She's moving right now.
Speaker B:She doing it right and she capitalizing.
Speaker B:That's opportunity.
Speaker A:That's what I'm very proud of her about.
Speaker A:Shout out to Tuesday.
Speaker A:Hopefully we see her too.
Speaker A:But she's capitalizing in from what I was told.
Speaker A:I did a little research.
Speaker A:She literally.
Speaker A:It was unexpected.
Speaker A:She wasn't even trying, and it just happens.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think realism is big.
Speaker B:It is in the.
Speaker B:In the industry.
Speaker B:Like, if it.
Speaker B:Because I think everybody's trying to create real, and you can't create something that's like a mom going in the studio with her kids and you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:It's like if I put my mom on the song, like, she don't know about verses and twelves and like, she just gonna get on there and say whatever, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's what Goes viral.
Speaker A:That ghost me, I think it's.
Speaker A:I guess I could speak for myself even.
Speaker A:Me too, with this podcast.
Speaker A:Like, I wasn't had no idea I would be.
Speaker A:It would be like this.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:I'm thinking I'm going to do this for my foster kids, Give them some mental health services and spend time quality.
Speaker A:Like after you.
Speaker A:I got one of my foster kids, I got my first boy that will be sitting on the platform.
Speaker A:Hispanic at that.
Speaker A:You know, cuz in the foster care, Dr. Cham said it, but in foster care, 90% are black young women.
Speaker A:So I think just creating this platform and you know, just like Tuesday, it just took off.
Speaker A:It's like, damn, what?
Speaker A:Like I'm thrown in the pit now.
Speaker A:It's like I can't stop now.
Speaker A:I'm too far in the game.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker A:Have you been in situations like that where you just.
Speaker A:You kind of got thrown in the pit and it just took off?
Speaker A:Like, imagine you sitting in the front row watching a Warriors game.
Speaker A:Like, nigga, did you just expect you would be there?
Speaker B:That's big.
Speaker B:I mean, you know, like certain things, I. I just was a kid watching tv.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Me too.
Speaker B:So when you, you know, when you see the Birdmans and Puffies and that, you know, Dr. Dre, that's like all I seen as a kid.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I didn't never think about being in that industry.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:What did you want to be when you want to grow up?
Speaker B:Like, man, really originally I was gonna take over Chewy job.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:I was trying to take Chewy and Big vine in them job, but I take their job.
Speaker B:But I realized that's how I even got out of radio, because I like, it's only four slots on radio.
Speaker A:Uhhuh.
Speaker B:You know, that morning, afternoon, evening and overnights.
Speaker B:And then I think one day Chewy told me how much he made, and it was like, I'm.
Speaker A:How much?
Speaker B:Some six figures.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So I kind of assumed everybody had to be making the six figures.
Speaker B:I'm like four hours a day, six figures.
Speaker B:You got kids?
Speaker B:Why y' all not about to quit this job?
Speaker B:At no time I was like, I gotta pivot.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:And yeah, certain just happened.
Speaker A:That's dope.
Speaker A:I heard you say college.
Speaker A:So you went to school?
Speaker A:You're an educated black man?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I went to Clark Atlanta.
Speaker B:I graduated from Park Atlanta.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What's your degree?
Speaker B:Masscom.
Speaker B:Tv, Radio, Film?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:So you knew.
Speaker A:Okay, so growing up, right, this was your purpose so you, you feel like you living in your purpose then, right?
Speaker B:Oh, I definitely feel like I'm living in purpose.
Speaker B:I didn't know though, like, what I wanted.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I just was like, I like entertainment, I like the radio, I like music.
Speaker B:So that's what I figured, you know.
Speaker B:But they had me doing a bunch of.
Speaker B:In that.
Speaker B:In that degree, like writing movies, writing stuff that I didn't even think I would need.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But eventually, like, it came back and helped me.
Speaker B:Like, when it's time to write a music video, I'm like, I wrote a TV script or like, I know how to do this type of stuff for the cameras and all that.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:So you got your bachelor's from crime.
Speaker A:That's what's up, bro.
Speaker A:People don't be knowing.
Speaker A:That's why, you know, I always try to.
Speaker A:I like it more personal.
Speaker A:Like I'm, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm interested in you guys on where y' all came from to get y' all here.
Speaker A:Now do you feel like you living in your purpose?
Speaker A:Like when I said, when I googled you, it said you're a legend.
Speaker A:It don't matter if it's for four years, five years, obviously.
Speaker A:That's how Google view your ass.
Speaker A:So listen, hey, listen.
Speaker A:Hey, I. I was like, okay, well, listen, we happy to have this one.
Speaker A:Percy.
Speaker A:This is a good one.
Speaker A:Look, didn't I say that?
Speaker A:I said, he's a good one, Percy.
Speaker A:This is a good one.
Speaker A:And it's like I said, I appreciate God.
Speaker A:Like I said, you have no idea.
Speaker A:Well, no, you probably do know.
Speaker A:But when we get people of that status and are modest and humble.
Speaker A:Do you believe in God?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Are you God fearing?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:You Christian?
Speaker A:Muslim?
Speaker B:Christian.
Speaker A:Okay, me too.
Speaker A:Look, pray, listen.
Speaker A:The nigga start praying, throw him up.
Speaker A:Okay, look, I love you.
Speaker A:You just adore me.
Speaker A:Listen, you gonna be my little brother.
Speaker A:And look, he only me.
Speaker A:You the first one only DM me.
Speaker A:Don't just DM me and not give me your number.
Speaker A:Like, I ain't gonna harass you.
Speaker B:I text you.
Speaker B:You was talking.
Speaker B:We was, but I was responding to dm, right?
Speaker B:No, I was responding to the dm, but you know.
Speaker A:No, I'm putting you on blast.
Speaker A:You first told me, here, talk to my manager.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker A:She never responded.
Speaker B:I know Sam won't like leave right now.
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker B:That's why I even had to.
Speaker B:I'm in my DMs now.
Speaker B:Like, cuz Sam was handling like all like the, the interviews and stuff.
Speaker B:But Sam bouncing back, though.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:She bouncing back.
Speaker A:We love her, but I got him without you.
Speaker A:Thank you, Sam.
Speaker A:I still love you, but I got it.
Speaker A:But I was on you, though, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, respectfully.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:I believe in anybody that believe in their own shit.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:And I think that's, like, even with the podcast, you know, everybody doing podcasts, like, everybody being a rapper, everybody photographer, everybody was like, a.
Speaker B:But, like, I think you see people who actually believe in their stuff, and it's not like, I need you to do this like, you was doing this before me, you're gonna do it after me.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So that's why I didn't even mind, like, locking in.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:And you didn't.
Speaker A:You know, I gotta.
Speaker A:I gotta talk shit.
Speaker A:You didn't charge me.
Speaker A:He was close to being on time, but he didn't charge.
Speaker A:Most important, though, you didn't ask for nothing.
Speaker A:It was very organic, and that's what I appreciate.
Speaker A:That's why I feel like when I do make it big, like, those are the type of people that I want to keep around, because it's not about grief for you.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This shit is organic for you.
Speaker A:You gonna get it regardless.
Speaker A:You gonna have the views and all this.
Speaker A:A lot of people come with motives, and so even your energy, like I said, it's just different.
Speaker A:I told you, Percy, this is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You my first guest for the day because, you know, I got them lined up, but I need to start.
Speaker A:I wish I can start more like this because it keeps me afloat.
Speaker A:So your energy is just very.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's rubbing off on me.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, and so I appreciate you even, like, just everything about you.
Speaker A:I really think that you're a good, spirited person.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:You know, it's hard to get in contact with your ass.
Speaker A:Cause he's big, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:He's bigger than what y' all think.
Speaker A:And he trying to act all modest, but he know he be.
Speaker A:Oh, you just was at the Paramount with.
Speaker A:How was that?
Speaker A:With Keisha calling him?
Speaker A:Is that over or.
Speaker A:It's coming.
Speaker B:Nah, it's coming.
Speaker A:Yeah, I need my tickets.
Speaker A:Mic check, mic check.
Speaker A:Send me where I can get them tickets.
Speaker A:When is it?
Speaker B:June 19th.
Speaker B:It's actually on Juneteenth.
Speaker A:This year in New York?
Speaker A:No, I'll be recording.
Speaker A:Wait, Juneteenth.
Speaker A:Wait, you know about the Lake Fest?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's the next week.
Speaker B:The next week.
Speaker B:Is that the 22nd, 26th or something?
Speaker A:You going to that?
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll pop out on Traville.
Speaker B:I always pop on.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I think shout out to Adante.
Speaker B:He want me to be the lawyer.
Speaker A:He want me to be the podcast.
Speaker B:There's crazy.
Speaker B:It's a side story.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:I met a Dante back in the day.
Speaker B:I had an issue in San Jose.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:We ended up suing the people, but my mom wanted him to be my lawyer, but he wasn't.
Speaker B:He didn't have his thing.
Speaker B:If he was, like, just.
Speaker A:Just starting, like, paralegal life.
Speaker B:But she was like, no, he needs to be.
Speaker B:He need to be my lawyer.
Speaker B:That's how I even know who that is.
Speaker A:But shout out to Adante, like, he.
Speaker A:He was actually my first guest when I first started.
Speaker A:If you check and scroll all the way down, he was my first guest.
Speaker B:Nah, that's a good dude.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:Even when we was, like, we wasn't looking as, like, raw, you know?
Speaker A:But it didn't take long.
Speaker A:Percy.
Speaker A:We had one shot.
Speaker A:Day after that, we branded out, and we look raw on tv.
Speaker B:Y' all gotta set a camera up for Percy.
Speaker B:So anytime she say Percy, at least, hey, I'm chewy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't want to be on camera.
Speaker A:I'm chilling.
Speaker B:I've been on camera for so long.
Speaker B:This way, like Percy.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Hey, honestly, I couldn't have a show without him.
Speaker A:How you say you have real people around you, like, P. Money has supported me through this, you know, and even guests like you shout out to Jay Stalin that came, you know, people was like, you ain't gonna be able to get Jay Stallon.
Speaker A:I'm like, watch me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now stalling is crazy.
Speaker A:Oh, he.
Speaker A:Wait till you see his whole interview.
Speaker A:I almost fell out my seat on a key.
Speaker A:You've been seeing the little clips, like,.
Speaker B:Why people become rappers, bro?
Speaker A:Yeah, Like, I've never.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:I'll say him and the Boy Mac.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:You know him.
Speaker B:I'm not familiar you.
Speaker A:I bet you know him if you see him.
Speaker A:If you see the Boy Mac.
Speaker A:But he's.
Speaker A:Am I saying it right?
Speaker A:Don't kill me.
Speaker A:The Boy Mac.
Speaker A:Mac or whatever.
Speaker A:What was his name?
Speaker A:Percy with the red on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:From the city.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, okay.
Speaker A:I know he signed.
Speaker A:He with Jay Stalin now.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Funny as hell.
Speaker A:Him and Jay Stallon were.
Speaker A:When I tell you we was in here crying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Jay Stalin is not rap, right?
Speaker A:He is missing a few screws.
Speaker B:He like, the first, like, first rapper that I seen do A music video.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:Like, in my space days, I'm like, that's what stuff.
Speaker B:I'm like, wait.
Speaker B:Engaging yourself now?
Speaker B:No, that's fine.
Speaker B:But, you know, I was just like, this is pos.
Speaker B:Like, he wanted the people to let me know, like, music is possible.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Because before that, it was just like.
Speaker B:To me, it was just the superstars, like, short 40 delinquents, all that stuff.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Styling.
Speaker B:I was like, wait.
Speaker B:He looked like my.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:He look so.
Speaker B:Yeah, Stalin.
Speaker A:I forgot, you know, you got to.
Speaker B:Be around the same man.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think he.
Speaker A:I think he said, like, 40 something.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay.
Speaker B:He's 43.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm 43.
Speaker A:38.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We older than you.
Speaker A:Ah, nah.
Speaker A:But anyway.
Speaker A:So wait, is you single?
Speaker B:Yep, I am.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:You want more kids?
Speaker B:I'll have some kids.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You want to get married?
Speaker B:I believe in marriage.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:That was the best answer in the world.
Speaker A:It wasn't like, no.
Speaker A:Yes or no.
Speaker A:It was like, yeah, I believe in it.
Speaker B:I believe in it.
Speaker A:If you.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:When I go to weddings, I believe in it.
Speaker B:I'll be like, damn, it's beautiful.
Speaker A:You think you'll cry as a groom up there?
Speaker B:Probably for, like, the animation of it.
Speaker B:Just the.
Speaker B:Like, one tier.
Speaker B:You know how Denzel had the one tear on Glory?
Speaker A:I think, if you notice.
Speaker A:If you notice with marriages, the men always cry.
Speaker A:The women don't.
Speaker A:When they walk down.
Speaker A:I don't know if you people.
Speaker B:I think y' all be like the women trying to save the.
Speaker A:The look.
Speaker A:Well, we.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:Cause they say women do ugly cries.
Speaker A:No, I think I look pretty when I cry.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:Shay.
Speaker A:The baddest thing, walking out.
Speaker A:It's one of my besties.
Speaker A:Little chocolate bright shot.
Speaker A:When she.
Speaker A:I've never seen a beautiful like a woman.
Speaker A:Beautiful when they cry, like dead ass.
Speaker A:Like, she.
Speaker A:Y' all don't never gonna meet no crazy.
Speaker B:She be like, men.
Speaker B:We let the tear drop.
Speaker B:And then it's just kind of like trying to hold ourselves.
Speaker B:But the women, it's like, do you.
Speaker A:Cry when the last time you cry?
Speaker A:And what was it about?
Speaker B:I had some personal stuff.
Speaker B:In August, somebody passed away, so that's probably like, my first time probably truly crying.
Speaker B:But I don't cry often, though.
Speaker A:You should.
Speaker A:It could be happy cries.
Speaker B:I ain't never cried joy.
Speaker B:Like, tears of joy, though.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm happy it happened, but I ain't never just been like, probably.
Speaker A:Because you smile a lot.
Speaker A:You know, you smile out even when you talking.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker A:Like, a lot of people don't smile like that when they talking very serious.
Speaker A:I don't even see you really getting mad like that.
Speaker A:I know you got another side, but.
Speaker A:Because he's that Gemini.
Speaker B:But there's some extreme stuff a lot of times.
Speaker A:Cause y' all don't even.
Speaker A:Like I talk.
Speaker A:Two of my best friends.
Speaker A:I got about four best friends, two of them Geminis.
Speaker A:And long story short, like, we went out Mexico.
Speaker A:We all took a trip.
Speaker A:I'm fire.
Speaker A:I watch everything.
Speaker A:Like, I mean from.
Speaker A:I pay attention to everything.
Speaker A:Geminis, y' all really be tripping.
Speaker A:Y' all be in your own world.
Speaker A:Like, you know, somebody might even say some slick shit.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker A:Boom.
Speaker A:You let it go over your head.
Speaker A:You don't trip.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everything ain't worth it.
Speaker B:Cause I mean, I think like I say we extreme.
Speaker B:So I think if we do react, it's bad.
Speaker A:Bad.
Speaker B:It's gonna be like, it's bad.
Speaker B:Nah, I really say, I think Tupac is the perfect Gemini.
Speaker B:So you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:It's definitely the hit em ups and Hail Marys, but at the same time, it's like, come on, brother, like, we could be better.
Speaker B:And you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:It's just depend on what side you want to be on, who.
Speaker A:I stay on the good side of everybody.
Speaker A:Cause I don't even.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:I ain't finna be.
Speaker A:I just don't want to be involved with it.
Speaker A:Question.
Speaker A:Did you go to fabs pool party?
Speaker B:Nah, I was out of town.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:I heard a lot of drama.
Speaker A:I know it's so much going on about that.
Speaker B:I saw the good part of it.
Speaker B:I, I, you know me, I'm kind of oblivious to things.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I don't be knowing when is beefing.
Speaker B:I'll be like, oh, I didn't even know.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I, I purposely don't like, even though it sounds crazy, I don't like stuff on social media because I don't know if is dissing.
Speaker B:Like, I just don't know.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, I'm thinking just getting it off or a girl just talking some.
Speaker B:Next thing you know it's about somebody and it looked like you co signed it.
Speaker B:So I don't even know.
Speaker B:Like, I saw the, the money in there.
Speaker B:I seen people was there, the vendors was talking.
Speaker B:I, I only see the Positive.
Speaker A:So I like that.
Speaker B:I didn't even know no crazy what you was about to tell me.
Speaker B:I didn't even know no crazy happened.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was something crazy.
Speaker A:But for me personally, I'm like you.
Speaker A:Before even like getting in all of this, I never was on social media.
Speaker A:Now it's like my life because I'm posting, I'm trying to run.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's just like I even be telling people like, oh my God, I be so over the scrolling, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:And all the trolling and you know, now people watching me.
Speaker A:Now I got people DMing me and you know, and I never respect your brand.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I just, you know, like, I'm not even.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm really, you know, I'm an old hoe.
Speaker A:Like I say from.
Speaker A:I'm a CEO now.
Speaker A:I'm not a hoe.
Speaker A:And I'm not in the streets and I don't go to clubs and I'm not in the limelight or nothing like that, you know.
Speaker A:And I dang sure don't like drama, which it seems like you don't either.
Speaker A:You seem very positive in your own lane.
Speaker A:Like you can go to an east ok and club or.
Speaker A:And not have to feel like.
Speaker A:I feel like you don't have to watch your back.
Speaker A:Cause you loved.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm loved, but I for sure still watch my surroundings.
Speaker A:Oh, that's just off top.
Speaker A:But you know what I mean, though.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:I mean, I think once you survive an era of Oakland that we survived, you kind of just like you in the like glory stages of it now.
Speaker B:You like, I could miss that event.
Speaker B:I've been to so many, man.
Speaker B:I could miss that drama.
Speaker B:I didn't seen it and been a part of it.
Speaker B:You just gotta, you know, you outgrow it.
Speaker A:You definitely.
Speaker A:And that's good.
Speaker A:You we young and we outgrown.
Speaker A:What's the one thing you hate about Oakland, man?
Speaker B:You know what I actually love, like Gotti and them roast me about it.
Speaker B:They like, you know, it's so much more than Oakland.
Speaker B:I'll be like, I just like the familiarity, like to be familiar with it.
Speaker B:I like knowing where to go, where not to go.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Like, I just like Oakland.
Speaker B:I love Oakland.
Speaker B:But I mean, I guess it's a negative in every city, though.
Speaker A:Where do you think the negative is?
Speaker A:Cause I always ask that.
Speaker A:I'd be curious.
Speaker A:We need clickbait.
Speaker B:Now.
Speaker B:I know everybody want to say, like the unity and everybody want to say we need to be.
Speaker A:That ain't nothing new.
Speaker B:Be together, but, I mean, negative, wise man.
Speaker B:We just.
Speaker B:I would love to see people act with some sense.
Speaker A:Me, too.
Speaker B:That's probably, like, the biggest.
Speaker B:Like, you know, if you go to places, act like you've been there before.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:We from Oakland.
Speaker B:I understand.
Speaker B:We want to get our moment to say, like, them some Oakland niggas.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:But it's like, you could be an Oakland player, too.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker B:You could just act like, you know, correct.
Speaker B:Cause there's a lot of people from our city in this, like, world and industry that maneuver through it, and, like, they know when to say that they from.
Speaker B:You know, they know when to show they from Oakland.
Speaker A:No, that's facts.
Speaker A:I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker A:We ain't that bad.
Speaker A:And I just went to.
Speaker A:And I say this to say I just went to that Chrisean rock fight, okay.
Speaker A:Up in Philly.
Speaker B:Philly turn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it's some shit that's, like, way.
Speaker B:Like, it's way grimier than us.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:I was like, okay, let's leave all the jury at the house.
Speaker A:Like, everything's plastic.
Speaker A:Don't even bring your Gucci and your Louis Chanel purse.
Speaker A:Leave everything.
Speaker A:Matter of fact, wear some Amazon shoes.
Speaker A:Like, it's shout out to Philly.
Speaker B:No disrespect, but now, like, when I left for school, I thought Oakland was the, like, worst, worst, hardest.
Speaker B:You can't.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:All we gotta say is, we from Oakland.
Speaker B:And when you go to school, like, I'm from Chicago, and I'm like, what that be?
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:But then when you see people and they telling you their circumstances, like, Chicago, they got some, like, very hood places.
Speaker B:I don't want to say ghetto.
Speaker A:No hood.
Speaker A:It ain't.
Speaker B:It's Chicago, Phil.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's some that you be like that.
Speaker B:How you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I was jaw dropped.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, I didn't leave my room.
Speaker A:Nigga.
Speaker A:On my soul, I didn't leave the room.
Speaker A:Like, I was like.
Speaker B:And then when they come out here, they like, this.
Speaker B:Oakland, it ain't that bad.
Speaker B:You know, they think, like, you got your.
Speaker B:Like, that's Alameda got palm trees.
Speaker B:We don't got palm trees.
Speaker B:But, you know, they be like, y', all, it's sunny out here.
Speaker B:The houses look nice.
Speaker B:Cause I think people automatically assume projects.
Speaker A:Why do you think that?
Speaker A:Maybe is it because we was on the map at One time.
Speaker A:Why do you think Oakland has a bad rep and it's way worse.
Speaker A:Like, even.
Speaker A:Didn't Trump or somebody say, like, Oakley?
Speaker A:Like, why is.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Cause we was at one point, number one, murder capital.
Speaker B:I think murder, the drugs in the 80s.
Speaker B:And then you hear about, you know, the music was painting the picture for everybody who wasn't here.
Speaker B:So Your shorts, your 40s, your loonies, all that was painting pictures to people in Seattle who never been to Oakland, Dallas, who never been to Oakland.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So, you know, they was just rapping what they seen, but in real life.
Speaker B:Yeah, but, you know, everybody then grew a little bit.
Speaker A:I say.
Speaker A:I say, honestly, Oakland has come a long way.
Speaker A:I. I rarely go out there because I. I moved away.
Speaker A:I moved kind of far.
Speaker A:But when I do go, you know, before, I wouldn't feel as comfortable with jewelry.
Speaker A:Now I feel kind of cool.
Speaker A:I feel a little better with my car being parked.
Speaker A:I don't feel like I'm gonna get pipped as bad.
Speaker A:I might be in the vip, but still, I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker A:But, you know, I don't feel like.
Speaker A:I feel a little safe, you know, safer, if that makes sense.
Speaker A:But I don't really be out there in them streets neither, you know, but when I do go, like, downtown Oakland is beautiful now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it's like, all changed from.
Speaker B:It's changed the era of, like, people reminisce about.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:Like, even though you got the social media and the kids is wilder.
Speaker B:Oh, they still didn't experience the.
Speaker B:The creation of wild in Oakland, man.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, man, people was being bombed and right.
Speaker B:And like, they was bombing cars.
Speaker B:Like, you hear all these legendary.
Speaker B:Not legendary, but you did.
Speaker B:You hear all these legendary gangster stories.
Speaker B:And then you see in real time of like, I was explaining to somebody about house parties in Oakland, and they just couldn't fathom we understand.
Speaker B:It was like, what you mean?
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I'm like, nah, it used to be this, you know, I don't want to say because people probably grown up and everything now, but it used to be a crew of people.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:At the end of every party, you know what they had to do?
Speaker B:They was.
Speaker B:They had to find somebody to do something too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you know, you parted it too.
Speaker B:Was your time to be like, oh, should they select you?
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, it used to be some wild, but, like, yeah, they don't understand, like, sideshows was like a black thing.
Speaker A:Oh, that shit.
Speaker B:Now it's like a rice rocket thing.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:It's like, I'm definitely about that era.
Speaker B:Clubs.
Speaker B:It used to be clubs in Oakland, not bars and lounges.
Speaker B:It was actual clubs.
Speaker A:All of them got shut down.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, Jack London used to be something.
Speaker B:I was just telling somebody about how Jack London used to be, like, that's the spot.
Speaker B:The TGIF Friday.
Speaker B:I was just a kid out there, though.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:No, that was the spot on Broadway.
Speaker B:Mingles, kennels, all that zazzle.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But I was just a little kid with the hoodie and the beanie on, you know, parking lot pimping.
Speaker B:But Jack London used to be fired up completely.
Speaker A:I was there every weekend.
Speaker A:Like, it used to be lit.
Speaker A:Now it's planks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:People like Jack London.
Speaker B:What are we going?
Speaker B:I'm like, damn, this used to be, like.
Speaker A:Used to be lit.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Fridays used to almost look like the club it did.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:TG and then.
Speaker A:Yeah, then was back in the dizzy.
Speaker A:I want you to tell me, drop a gym for the people.
Speaker A:Because you know me, I work with the foster youth, and a lot of times we deal with a lot of troubled youth, and they trying to find themselves.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:And they trying to figure it out, you know?
Speaker A:But I think the population that I deal with, they're 18 to 21.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And like I told you, this was the reason I started this, because we don't have a lot of mental health services in Alameda County.
Speaker A:What do you think about that?
Speaker A:Like, do you believe in counseling?
Speaker A:Do you go to counseling?
Speaker B:I don't, but I do believe in talking to somebody.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:A professional or just a partner?
Speaker A:Cause that's a huge difference.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I believe in speaking to somebody that's unbiased.
Speaker B:Who could tell you when you write or could tell you, like, you was wrong.
Speaker B:I've never talked to a professional, so I can't say, well, you always smile.
Speaker A:I don't think you need no mental health surgeon.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, we all go through our stuff.
Speaker B:But like I said, I do got people around me that tell me, like,.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker B:My mom is.
Speaker B:Listen.
Speaker B:My mom would call.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I'd be like, all right, I got you.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, she.
Speaker B:She straight cut, but not.
Speaker B:I do believe in it.
Speaker B:I know it helped a lot of people.
Speaker B:So I just haven't physically did it to say yeah.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Did you have a good childhood?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I was raised by my mom.
Speaker B:My pops was in my life for sure.
Speaker B:He from North Oakland, so.
Speaker B:And then my mom had five, six sisters.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And a brother.
Speaker B:So you close to them?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, we like a big unit of, like.
Speaker B:And they all had boys.
Speaker B:My mom and her best friends, they all had boys at the same time, so cousins is like brothers to me.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Nah, we came up on principles and morals and what to do or not to do.
Speaker A:But, Yeah, I could tell that makes a difference, actually.
Speaker A:And the reason I asked you that is because I have a lot of kids that do not have family.
Speaker A:And it's a big difference.
Speaker A:When you don't have nobody to talk to, when you don't have nobody, you can call when you're going through something, and I could tell you got people to call.
Speaker A:And it's like you said, you got principles, you got morals, and.
Speaker A:And it shows.
Speaker A:I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker A:And I don't know if it's my PhD talking right now or me just being Dr. Stans, but I can just.
Speaker A:It's a trip because all the different personalities that I deal with, so I study people, and like I told you, you ain't stopped smiling since you've been here.
Speaker A:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:I actually.
Speaker A:It's very.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's warm.
Speaker A:It's, you know, and it's contagious.
Speaker A:And I think this is a prime example of having somebody to talk to.
Speaker A:This is a prime example of having support, a prime example of having family.
Speaker A:And I'd say that to say, because I have a lot of kids that don.
Speaker A:They don't be smiling all the time.
Speaker A:What is something that you would tell them to keep them smiling?
Speaker A:Like, give them inspirational.
Speaker A:You know, give them something inspirational to look forward to.
Speaker A:With no family.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Because you come from it.
Speaker A:But what would you tell somebody that don't come from it?
Speaker A:Man, That's a deep question.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:I gotta think about that.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:How did you tell somebody who don't come from family?
Speaker A:I'm one of them actually, too, to be honest.
Speaker B:I will also say family is what you make it,.
Speaker A:And it ain't always blood.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because even though my mom got five sisters and everything, like I said, all her best friends had boys at the same time.
Speaker B:So one thing about, like, our family, we don't necessarily treat People differently via blood.
Speaker B:Like, auntie is auntie, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Your cousin is your cousin, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So I would say, you know, family is what you make it, but at the same time, like, your experiences create your journey and allow yourself to have these experiences, good or bad.
Speaker B:Because I know it's probably rough as hell, but you know what I'm saying, that stuff actually builds the character for who you're gonna become.
Speaker A:I like that you say that, because I was just thinking, I've been running into people, like different people.
Speaker A:And me, I'm always friendly.
Speaker A:I'm always like, oh, gosh, in my little friend group, it's like seven of us.
Speaker A:I might get a new girl.
Speaker A:And they'd be like, who is this bitch Audrey?
Speaker A:You don't know her.
Speaker A:And I'm like, she's my friend.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And they be like, how do you tell these kids or youth, young adults who to trust?
Speaker A:Like, how do you.
Speaker A:I just did a session on that.
Speaker A:Like, how do you know who to trust?
Speaker A:Like, how do you know?
Speaker B:Yeah, unfortunately, I don't trust too many people, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:But I think people will show you eventually.
Speaker B:I don't think there's nothing you can ask, there's nothing you can say.
Speaker B:I think people show you that you can trust them, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:And some people show you that they don't need you for things either.
Speaker B:So I think that's how you, you know, they got to show you actions.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, words.
Speaker A:I agree with you on that because I.
Speaker A:It's been a struggle being in the industry.
Speaker A:And you know who it's like, who do you.
Speaker A:Who the.
Speaker A:Because people wear masks too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, how do you know when to take that mask off?
Speaker A:Or even if they wearing a mask or if that's really who they.
Speaker A:Or, you know, I'm sure you've experienced that, like people trying to get up under you cause of your connections.
Speaker A:Have you dealt with that?
Speaker A:Like groupies, do you be.
Speaker A:Do they be groupie again?
Speaker B:I don't believe if they groupie, they might just.
Speaker B:They might just like me.
Speaker B:They gotta be a groupie.
Speaker B:Nah, it's definitely people who think they getting something.
Speaker B:But to your question, I would say allow people to be fucked up too, though.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Like, I think everybody tries to like, make sure nobody.
Speaker B:Or like now you need people to up around you so you can like make that decision on.
Speaker B:Like, is this who I with?
Speaker B:If I'm not gonna with them.
Speaker B:I think, you know, we try to protect ourselves so much.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:That's trauma.
Speaker B:You almost like of you up by doing that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:So I allow people to be who they is.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, yeah, y' all not judgmental at all.
Speaker B:Yeah, you come around, it's cool.
Speaker B:But, like, I think maybe Gotti might have told me that.
Speaker B:Like, I think when we first came around him, he was like, after a year or so, he was like, I know which every around me gonna do good or bad.
Speaker B:Like, I know when y' all switch up the character y' all showed me.
Speaker B:I know when you, like, if some shit was to go down, like, I. I already know who gonna go this way or go this way.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So I took that from him.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, I need you around.
Speaker B:I need to see you do I want to see you gossip?
Speaker B:Because I need to know for myself, like, yeah, this go bad, I'm sure we'll be on social media somewhere.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:But I know what to allow you to be a part of, too.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker B:So, yeah, yeah, now you gotta allow people to be fuck ups and be.
Speaker A:Like, I love that.
Speaker A:What does a first date look like with you typically?
Speaker B:Like, with a woman?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:I said it.
Speaker A:Like, I'm curious.
Speaker A:Like, like, as far as a first date, where would you.
Speaker A:What would a first date look like?
Speaker A:Cause the man's a single.
Speaker A:The boy.
Speaker A:This is a good.
Speaker A:This is a good catch right here.
Speaker B:I really don't even like the word date.
Speaker A:What you mean?
Speaker A:You can't get married on the first meeting.
Speaker A:What we call it.
Speaker A:Meeting.
Speaker A:What would your first meeting with a woman be like?
Speaker B:I vibe with you, right?
Speaker B:Because I feel like with dates, everybody's putting on this perfect act.
Speaker B:When you go out to eat, the girl fake eating, you know, she like chewing a little bit.
Speaker B:Like, you know, you fuck up a plate.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:But you try to be perfect.
Speaker B:You answering every question perfect.
Speaker B:What you like to do?
Speaker B:Oh, I don't mind my nigga playing video games or I ain't gonna be in this business like that.
Speaker B:Like, you just being perfect.
Speaker B:Cause you trying to get whatever goal you.
Speaker B:You got.
Speaker B:I think you like I say you allow people around you.
Speaker B:You just could hang out in a group setting and could tell like, oh, that's a dope person.
Speaker B:Okay, I fuck with you.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Me and Lord Rabb was having A conversation.
Speaker A:He actually questioned me, and I thought it was funny because I'd be interested on what different guys think.
Speaker A:Because he was saying.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna be honest, I kinda agree with him.
Speaker A:He was saying on a first date that a lot of these women.
Speaker A:Cause I could see you, like, classy, probably women, you know.
Speaker A:You know, like, you don't like no hood rat.
Speaker A:Stop lying.
Speaker A:You better not.
Speaker A:You like the hood rat.
Speaker B:What would you consider a hood rat?
Speaker A:West Stoke a little bit.
Speaker A:I'm just playing.
Speaker A:Not Tuesday, but I'm just saying.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:You know, I could be a hood rat, you know, but I could be a doctor stance, too.
Speaker A:But so, I mean, it's levels to it, you know, a hood rat.
Speaker A:You know a hood rat.
Speaker B:I'm cool with you being who you need to be in your atmosphere.
Speaker A:Hell, no.
Speaker B:Nah.
Speaker B:Like, if we go and we dressed up and we on some players shit, I'm cool with that.
Speaker B:But if we in the neighborhood, at the backyard little.
Speaker B:You feel me?
Speaker B:Shit.
Speaker B:Be who you.
Speaker B:We in the backyard be who you need to be.
Speaker A:Forget y'.
Speaker A:All not judgmental.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, for real.
Speaker A:Gemini's.
Speaker A:You guys aren't judgment.
Speaker A:You actually let people.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Y' all just did that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I. I just feel like it's a time, like, my mom might be turned up, but my mom is a retired woman from the government.
Speaker B:Like, she know how to act.
Speaker B:Okay, but when she get in West Oakland with her people.
Speaker B:Yeah, she gonna laugh.
Speaker B:She gonna be the joke.
Speaker B:She gonna be laugh.
Speaker B:She gonna cuss.
Speaker B:Same woman who be like, watch your mouth.
Speaker B:I'd be like, I grew up with you cussing.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So I believe in, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I feel you a ladies man.
Speaker B:Be who you are.
Speaker A:You can get the ladies.
Speaker B:I'll be chilling, man.
Speaker A:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:The ones that be like, I be chilling them the late.
Speaker A:I know they swarm you.
Speaker A:I know they do.
Speaker B:We be chilling, man.
Speaker A:Look.
Speaker A:Oh, Lord.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:What was Lori Rapp saying?
Speaker A:He was saying, like, on the date, since you don't say date, how some women, they expect this luxurious date and, you know, to go out and a man to spend a gang of money on them.
Speaker A:I actually disagree with that because one.
Speaker A:Well, I'm going to say for me, I wouldn't expect that.
