In this episode of Wildly Wealthy Life, Kat and Lee welcome Neil Moore, founder of Simply Music, a revolutionary music education program taught in over 135 countries. Neil shares his journey from bankruptcy to creating a global movement, offering profound insights on creativity, resilience, and the transformative power of music. Discover how fostering creative capability in children and adults can unlock human potential and prepare us for the future. Neil’s wisdom and stories will leave you inspired to live fully, contribute meaningfully, and embrace life’s challenges with courage.
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00:00 Neil’s perspective on creativity vs. creative capability
01:15 Introduction: Neil Moore’s journey and the founding of Simply Music
04:16 The bold decision to move from Australia to the U.S. to pursue his dream
07:07 Challenges in building a global organization and the importance of resilience
09:21 Going from $250K to $1M a month—and the lessons from failure
12:08 Finding faith and purpose during tough times
18:18 How music develops neural connectivity and enhances creativity
24:03 Practical ways parents can nurture creativity in children
33:56 Neil’s inspiring story of losing everything and discovering his calling
41:22 Why music education must evolve for the future
46:20 Neil defines what living a “Wildly Wealthy Life” means to him
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Creativity is king.
Neil:There's an important distinction between creativity and creative capability.
Neil:Just let me draw an analogy to that.
Neil:And if I just talk about performance, for example, if I'm walking down
Neil:the street with Usain Bolt, who to this day still holds the record as
Neil:the fastest person in the world.
Neil:If we're both walking down the street together, four miles an
Neil:hour, whatever our performance expression is exactly the same.
Neil:Our performance capability is completely different.
Neil:He has the capability for profoundly greater importance than I do.
Neil:Creativity is the expression of creative capability.
Neil:Creative capability is the machinery that determines how creative we can be.
Kat:Today's guest is Neil Moore, an incredible human being that
Kat:you will just so be inspired by.
Kat:He is an author, a music educator, a speaker.
Kat:He was born in Melbourne, Australia in 1957 and moved
Kat:to the United States in 1994.
Kat:He's the founder of Simply Music, an international organization
Kat:that is the world class leader in playing based music education.
Kat:His breakthrough methodology transformed 300 years of music education and its
Kat:focus on bringing music to the masses.
Kat:The Simply Music program is taught by a global community of teachers
Kat:around the world spanning 135 countries, and I get to be one of them.
Kat:And Neil's massive, transformative purpose is to cause a global
Kat:transformation in music education.
Kat:To transform access to musical self expression and to elevate the
Kat:creative capability of humanity.
Kat:I can't wait to welcome Neil Moore.
Lee:Stay tuned.
Kat:Hey, my name is Kat.
Lee:And I'm Lee.
Kat:And welcome to the.
Lee:Wildly Wealthy Life Podcast.
Lee:In this show, we explore the journey of what it means to live a truly
Lee:exceptional and fulfilling life.
Kat:Each episode focuses on how a foundation of brilliant minds and
Kat:brave hearts Nurtured through the arts leads to lifelong success.
Lee:Get inspired with actionable tips to foster a growth mindset,
Lee:leadership values, and creativity in children and adults, turning
Lee:their potential into lasting contributions for their communities.
Kat:We hope you embrace the challenge to shift your perspective as we equip
Kat:you and the next generation for a
Kat:We just talked to Neil Moore and it was an incredible conversation and
Kat:we just want to tease our audience a little bit before you bring him in.
Kat:What are the a few main things that was like really standing
Kat:out to you in that conversation?
Lee:Neil is a deep thinker and I think the best piece that you're going to pull
Lee:away is just the way To look at life, how things that we sometimes imagine as giant
Lee:mountains in our life are really just little molehills, as they say, and the
Lee:way the elegant way that he describes how to live a wildly wealthy life is amazing.
Kat:Yes.
Kat:I would say this is one of those episodes that.
Kat:I really think you have to listen from beginning to end and might be worth
Kat:listening to a second time, a third time, because of just the wealth of
Kat:experience that Neil has had in his life.
Kat:There's so much wisdom that he is going to share and nuggets that you
Kat:are going to just be so inspired by.
Kat:His life experiences are just amazing.
Kat:And so stay tuned.
Kat:We'll bring him in, make sure you listen all the way through to the end.
Kat:So Neil, thank you for being here.
Kat:I would like to start with what has been one of the hardest decision that you've
Kat:had to make, where you really had to step out in boldness and encouraged to
Kat:kind of, you know, get to that other side of a situation that you were in.
Neil:Well, the biggest looking decision that I had to make was deciding that, Hey,
Neil:let's pack up our lives in Australia, a country that we love, um, with families
Neil:that we love and, uh, my wife and I, and our children, and let's move to the other
Neil:side of the world to pursue a dream.
Neil:And, uh, you know, people look at that and said, that was a really big decision.
Neil:Huge decision and a huge risk.
Neil:And there are, there are a lot of things that ordinarily people would
Neil:consider to be, uh, risky and it would be considered the enormity and
Neil:the weight of that decision would be considered to be very significant.
Neil:That wasn't my experience of it at all.
Neil:My experience was, I just felt so strongly about this being
Neil:something that I was called to do.
Neil:And I've always had extraordinary loyalty from my wife.
Neil:And so it's like, Let's do it.
Neil:Let's go.
Neil:And so the, the bigger challenges have been those times when trying to give
Neil:birth to my organization and bring it to fruition, uh, where there have been, uh,
Neil:enormous financial challenges and, and wipeouts and, you know, having to really
Neil:confront things that we thought were going to have a really positive, successful
Neil:outcome, not coming to fruition and then creating all sorts of logistical issues.
Neil:And the challenges have been more.
Neil:Personal from that point of view and, uh, you know, I run the organization.
Neil:I don't think I should be running it.
Neil:I'm not really that good at it, to be honest.
Neil:Um, and I think at best, you know, I've done an adequate job
Neil:at keeping the organization alive.
Neil:What I have contributed most is the methodology that I've created,
Neil:um, and what that has contributed.
Neil:But from the point of view of running the organization, what did
Neil:I know about, Building and growing an international organization and
Neil:managing the logistics of that.
Neil:And I got into this in the very beginning for the music.
Neil:That's I've always felt like I belonged to music and I got into and
Neil:created simply music for the music.
Neil:But at some point of time, it.
Neil:Became about being in the business of being in business and running the
Neil:organization and the logistics and the contracts and the trademarks and the
Neil:agreements and the licensing and the financial aspects and the recording
Neil:and the reporting and the paperwork and it just has become this thing.
Neil:Um, a great deal of which I, I, I'm not good at doing, and I don't enjoy doing.
Neil:And, uh, and there've been times when the, the demands of just managing the logistics
Neil:of this organization, uh, have been really problematic, but my strength has been,
Neil:you know, I always get back into the ring.
Neil:I just get, I just pick myself up and I get back into the ring and,
Neil:um, so I couldn't nail it down to one particular incident is just being
Neil:lots and lots of those, which is very typical on the entrepreneurial journey.
Neil:You know, I've had the privilege of being around a lot of really, really successful
Neil:people that are enjoying all of the.
Neil:You know, the perceived benefits and trappings of, you know, financial
Neil:success, uh, as well as life success.
Neil:And if I were to look at what's consistent amongst all of the people that I know
Neil:that have successful lives, and that is that this has been one heck of a
Neil:rollercoaster ride, um, with lots and lots of times Rob looked and thought, you know,
Neil:Is this the hill I'm going to die on?
Neil:I, no, I just, I couldn't allow myself to look back and say this thing that
Neil:happened, this incident, this event, this thing that didn't turn out,
Neil:this was the thing that stopped me.
Neil:This was the thing that I, you know, where I gave up on, on what I dream, you know.
Lee:Can I ask, um, The tenacity that you have to get yourself back
Lee:in the ring, the fortitude and the trust you have in yourself.
Lee:Um, can you think back and remember maybe moments, instances, positions
Lee:you were put into where you had to make that choice for yourself and
Lee:for your goals and your dreams?
Lee:And, and move forward with it.
Lee:Cause a lot of times when there's challenges, sometimes people step
Lee:back, you know, or they get wounded and they don't, don't really heal
Lee:and are not able to move forward.
Lee:But do you remember from some moments where you just felt that, ah, you know,
Lee:if I just trusted myself, press into this music thing, that's where my life
Lee:is, my life fuel is going to come from.
Lee:And then, yeah, you know, as we go through life, we do get derailed
Lee:and we need to get back on.
Lee:So what would be a.
Lee:Yeah,
Neil:well, when I first came here, um, the, in the early years, it was very
Neil:much nose to the grindstone, completely focused on developing content and, uh,
Neil:you know, developing the methodology.
Neil:And, um, there was a certain point of time where we had an investor come on
Neil:board and the strategy they felt was best suited to where we were at was to
Neil:my method, create a self study program and market that program nationally,
Neil:like on an, on an infomercial.
Neil:So, you know, simply music.
Neil:Is, and has always been a, uh, a program training teachers
Neil:how to teach the methodology.
Neil:And so in this instance, we were going to say, let's actually create
Neil:a product that we would market directly to, um, to the public.
Neil:And so it became a self study learn at home program.
Neil:And we marketed that on an infomercial and it, that project was, um,
Neil:it was the most extraordinary experience that I had at that time.
Neil:Our annual revenues were about.
Neil:You know, 250, 000 a year.
Neil:It was just me teaching and, you know, developing the content and, um,
Neil:uh, we launched this in the, in an infomercial format and we went from
Neil:doing a quarter of a million a year to doing a million dollars a month
Neil:overnight, just like that ramp up.
Neil:Um, it, it just went from.
Neil:You know, from night to day instantly, and that created all sorts of breakdowns
Neil:and, you know, we looking back on it now, we were just absolutely
Neil:woefully unprepared to handle what had happened, and we even didn't
Neil:have access to information and data.
Neil:Um, all the costing was wrong.
Neil:We had no idea that every dollar in revenue we were
Neil:generating, we were incurring 1.
Neil:40 of costs.
Neil:By the time we got data, you know, we had already accumulated hundreds
Neil:and hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and this thing imploded.
Neil:Fortunately through that whole process, I, you know, I built my organization on
Neil:relationships and being transparent and full disclosure and everybody who was
Neil:involved, the vendors of, you know, there were all sorts of things involved in, um,
Neil:you know, media buying and advertising and shipping and production and duplication
Neil:and distribution and reporting and accounting and, you know, the marketing,
Neil:you know, there's just lots and lots of components to doing something like this.
Neil:Everybody was aware of exactly what was happening and was willing
Neil:to ride True, um, and support me asked through that process.
Neil:And, uh, by the time we had data that was meaningful and we saw the disaster that
Neil:was on, uh, on my shoulders, really, we stopped that project and thought, okay,
Neil:well, I've got to completely redefine this and redesign this whole thing and
Neil:go to market again with a, with a more, um, and more thoroughly thought through.
Neil:Structure and, uh, we spent that next 12 months just redefining, redesigning
Neil:absolutely everything and we're ready to launch and we, the, the last of the funds
Neil:we had, we'd invested in this national, um, you know, television marketing by,
Neil:and that was set to launch on September the 13th, 2001, and on September 11th,
Lee:2001,
Neil:um,
Lee:yeah,
Neil:September 11th happened.
Neil:And, and my issues and concerns and the impact is nothing compared to
Neil:what happened to, you know, the, the lives that were lost and the, and the,
Neil:and the families that were destroyed.
Neil:But I remember my sister in Australia called me early hours of the morning
Neil:and said, have you watching the TV?
Neil:I said, no, she said, turn on the TV.
Neil:And I turned it on and I saw what had happened.
Neil:And I just realized that, wow, our, our lives have changed.
Neil:Just changed and any hope of us being able to trade out of that debt and
Neil:rely on the, um, I have, I think I have had about 427, 000 of personal
Neil:debt, but it wasn't so much that the number of the debt that was the issue.
Neil:It was really more.
Neil:I saw no, no possibility of how I was going to move forward under
Neil:the circumstances that I was in.
Neil:And it was, um.
Neil:A really confronting experience.
Neil:Um, I, I don't want to say it was a dark time for me, but it was a
Neil:very difficult time emotionally.
Neil:And one of the things that I, one of the practices that I've developed,
Neil:which I don't know, I don't even think I could recommend it to
Neil:anyone, but it's a practice that has worked for me, is I do something
Neil:that I call prescribe the symptoms.
Neil:And what I mean by that is like, Oh gosh, you know, is this going to fail?
Neil:Is this going to implode?
Neil:Am I going to be able to make it through?
Neil:And I have found, listen, if I, what I'm going to do is I'm going to
Neil:let myself get fully, I'm going to fully experience the weight and the
Neil:burden and the sadness and the upset.
Neil:I'm going to stay in bed and pull the doona or the duvet over my
Neil:head and I'm just going to give up.
Neil:And I lie in bed long enough and it's like, what the heck am I doing?
Neil:This is so boring.
Neil:I'm done.
Neil:And I actually recreate what the experience of giving up would be like.
Neil:And I also relate to this, look, not everybody, we all see
Neil:the world differently, right?
Neil:We all have different public systems.
Neil:And I like to see, My life and my journey through the eyes of divine design.
Neil:So it's a God thing for me.
Neil:Now, I don't even care whether that's true or not.
Neil:I get value out of believing it's true.
Neil:And that's all that matters for me.
Neil:Faith trumps fact every time.
Neil:And so for me, I've always thought of, listen, I, My organization, it
Neil:comes from the codification of the way that music occurred for me, even
Neil:before I was aware of my own existence.
Neil:I've had my relationship with music since infancy, and it was evidence
Neil:since infancy, and I, I think of it from the point of view of my relationship
Neil:to music and the opportunity for me to bring that to the world.
Neil:That was something that was all preordained.
Neil:I was born with that hardwired into my system.
Neil:And you know, there's that old saying that many are called,
Neil:but few answer them calling.
Neil:I just remind myself that, listen, I have a partner in the divine.
Neil:I've been asked to do this.
Neil:I know that every, every single time I've had something go wrong in my life,
Neil:at some point in time, three months, six months, two years later, I look
Neil:back and, and I'm glad that it happened.
Neil:Because something else came out as a result.
Neil:And so I've had that happen enough times where it's like, when I get to
Neil:those stages, it's like, I can remind myself, one, I'm doing the work of a
Neil:higher purpose and a higher calling.
Neil:Secondly, this is something that makes a contribution to the world and very
Neil:few people have the opportunity or materialize the opportunity to make
Neil:a contribution to people's lives.
Neil:And so it's a privileged position that I'm in.
Neil:And Honestly, let's just cut to the chase.
Neil:Small life, small problems, big life, big problems.
Neil:Now that that would be like, I'm going to, I'm going to live in LA and then
Neil:being annoyed because there's traffic.
Neil:It's like, no, if, well, you're going to be in LA, you know, you're going
Neil:to be deal, that's the reality of it.
Neil:And I understand that the reality of taking on a big project is that
Neil:there's big, complex, chunky problems.
Neil:Bigger opportunity is to be, to live in that question of who do I
Neil:need to become in order to elevate.
Neil:Myself to the next level in order to meet this challenge.
Neil:It's not the hill I'm going to die on.
Neil:I'm doing ordained work.
Neil:This is God's work.
Neil:I'm in a partnership with the divine.
Neil:I'm contributing to people.
Neil:It's an absolute privilege.
Neil:Get the heck out of bed and get on with it.
Kat:I love it.
Kat:It's so many good things out there.
Kat:I just, um, I'm picturing you in bed, just covering yourself and be like,
Kat:okay, I'm just going to give up such a.
Kat:Funny picture, but it's true.
Kat:Like you're, you're probably laying there and you're like, well, if this
Kat:is what giving up looks like, I don't really want this, this, this is boring.
Kat:That's so true.
Kat:Um, I love that, you know, you kind of talked about how, um, cause
Kat:I'm experiencing that right now to realizing that the level of, uh, growth
Kat:that my business is going to reach is based on the level of problems
Kat:that I'm going to be able to handle.
Kat:You know, so if I exactly like big problems, you know, big growth, small
Kat:problems, probably smaller growth.
Kat:Right.
Kat:And I just want to acknowledge you, Neil, because, you know, you.
Kat:Doing all of that, right?
Kat:Like, I mean, I didn't even know, I didn't know a lot of these stories
Kat:that you're sharing and you sharing that right now, it just makes me
Kat:think if you had given up, like I wouldn't have simply music right now.
Kat:You know, I wouldn't have this wonderful tool that I could use this
Kat:process and this method that I could use that is impacting so many kids.
Kat:And so just thank you for that because gosh, like I wouldn't know.
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Kat:Because I have, um, you know, for the listeners out there, especially
Kat:for the parents, some of my students are very entrepreneurial.
Kat:I can already see that they're, they're creating products.
Kat:They're, they're selling it like on, on, you know, school fairs.
Kat:And it's really fun to see that.
Kat:What would your advice be to.
Kat:Parents or educators or caregivers who are nurturing kids who have
Kat:that entrepreneurial mindset, right?
Kat:Or entrepreneurial spirit already coming up at such a young age.
Kat:What would your advice be to them as to how would they nurture that in
Kat:their child and what type of leadership skills should they already introduce
Kat:to their child or to their students who have that spirit of entrepreneurship?
Neil:That's a really great question.
Neil:The thing about it is I see it.
Neil:Is that creativity is King, but there's an important distinction between
Neil:creativity and creative capability.
Neil:So if I can just draw that distinction for a moment,
Neil:creativity is the expression of creative capability.
Neil:Creative capability is the machinery that determines how creative we can be.
Neil:And, uh, and just let me draw an analogy to that.
Neil:And if I just talk about performance, for example, if I'm walking
Neil:down the street with Usain Bolt.
Neil:Who to this day still holds the record as the fastest person in the world.
Neil:If we're both walking down the street together at the same, you know, we're
Neil:walking with four miles an hour, whatever our performance expression is
Neil:exactly the same, but our performance capability is completely different.
Neil:He has the capability for profoundly greater importance than I do.
Neil:If I'm driving down the car and, uh, and you're in a Lamborghini and I'm in
Neil:a 1960 Volkswagen and we're both rolling down the street at 20 miles an hour,
Neil:our performance expression is the same, but the performance capability of the
Neil:Lamborghini is exponentially greater.
Neil:Similarly, with regards to creativity, in order for anybody
Neil:to deal with any situation, we need to see things differently.
Neil:We need to think about things differently.
Neil:We need to do things differently.
Neil:And it's the seeing and the thinking and the doing things
Neil:differently that I say is creativity.
Neil:So anything that we can do, if you are on an entrepreneurial journey, you
Neil:are going to have far more challenges than successes for the most part.
Neil:One of the greatest skills you can learn is how am I going to resolve
Neil:the issues that I come up against?
Neil:And that is going to require that you look at things differently, that
Neil:you think about things differently, that you do things differently.
Neil:And so from that point of view, I think the focus needs to be
Neil:on what is it that we can do?
Neil:Anything and everything we can do to help develop creative capability
Neil:will give us the ability to be able to look at situations and see
Neil:more potential solutions to the challenges that we're going to face.
Neil:So anything we can do that helps to develop creative capability is really
Neil:important for us to be able to explore and assimilate and absorb and take advantage
Neil:of one of the great things that I think, and one of the fortunate, well, it's a
Neil:privilege, but certainly very unfortunate.
Neil:We're learning something very new about music, learning about musicianship.
Neil:We're learning that it has a very unique impact on the brain.
Neil:And as we understand more about that impact, we've always
Neil:known that it's a good thing.
Neil:And in decades gone by, we've learned more about what we mean by a good thing with
Neil:music learning that, you know, it helps with math scores and it helps with IQ.
Neil:And, you know, there are certain benefits that we've known about
Neil:music, but what's happening now with our understanding is, is different.
Neil:We're understanding now that learning music more than listening
Neil:to music, actually learning music.
Neil:It provides the brain with this critical neurological nutrition.
Neil:It changes the white structure, the white metastructure of the brain.
Neil:It actually changes the gray matter, grows the gray matter.
Neil:It increases the connectivity in the brain.
Neil:And from that point of view, as in doing that, The correlation is neural
Neil:connectivity translates to increased creative capability and increased creative
Neil:capability translates to the ability to consider and think of more options, which
Neil:is exactly what every forward thinking.
Neil:Not just an entrepreneur, every, every person needs to be able to have a skill
Neil:set and an enhanced and expanded skill set to be able to deal with any and all
Neil:of the problems that we're going to face with in our lives and our ability to
Neil:deal with those situations has everything to do with creativity and creativity
Neil:has everything to do with creative capability and creative capability has
Neil:everything to do with neural connectivity.
Neil:So as a parent, what can we do?
Neil:We can focus on developing children's neural connectivity.
Neil:Is there anything that we can do that enhances that?
Neil:Lots of things.
Neil:Because anytime the brain confronts something new and different,
Neil:it actually requires that new neural pathways be established.
Neil:And we've learned with neural plasticity that the brain will
Neil:continue to alter and adjust.
Neil:It'll create new neural pathways, it'll alter existing neural pathways
Neil:in order to accommodate and deal with new situations and circumstances.
Neil:So, as a practice, there are so many simple things that we can do that
Neil:will help develop neural connectivity.
Neil:Anytime we do something different.
Lee:Yeah.
Neil:So what did that mean?
Neil:Try eating different foods, get the sensory stimulation,
Neil:new flavors to think about.
Neil:The brain will have to adapt.
Neil:Listen to different music that you're not familiar with.
Neil:The brain will have to adapt.
Neil:Learn a language that you can't speak.
Neil:The brain will have to rewire, reconnect, create new neural pathways.
Neil:There are games you can play.
Neil:Sit down, you know, with your children at a table and put an object in the table
Neil:and say, five minutes, here's the game.
Neil:You've got to write down every possible use that you can think of
Neil:with this fork and whoever's got the most unique answers wins the game.
Neil:Okay, well a fork could be used as an eating tool, yeah, it could also
Neil:be used to scratch my back, well that's true, I could use it as a
Neil:spade to plant seeds in the garden, well that's true as well, I suppose I
Neil:could use one of those sharp bits as a toothpick, well that's true as well.
Neil:Now, as we're doing that, we're taking something that's practical and right in
Neil:front of us, but we're forcing the brain to see it differently, see it differently,
Neil:think about it differently, think about it differently, new neural pathways,
Neil:impacting creative capability, creates a more creative person, Gives them the
Neil:tools and skills to be able to deal with issues and problems in their life.
Neil:So neural connectivity is key.
Neil:Doing things differently is the key to get there.
Neil:And fortunately, we've got this added bonus that musicianship impacts the
Neil:brain so uniquely and so profoundly.
Neil:We, we're seeing now like that study that came out of the German Institute for
Neil:Economic Research that showed musicianship alters the brain and helps develop.
Neil:Uh, this capability more than twice as much as sports and other forms of art.
Neil:I mean, it's amazing.
Neil:And this is still an area of science that's in its infancy.
Neil:And my prediction is we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg.
Kat:Yeah, absolutely.
Kat:Thank you, Neil.
Kat:That was really wonderful.
Kat:With that, you know, you're saying seeing things differently, right?
Kat:And you earlier said you've had a lot of wipeouts and how did you
Kat:see things differently every time you had, you know, a wipeout so
Kat:that you can step out of that.
Neil:At the end of the day, it's the action that one is willing to take, right?
Neil:And, and I, I consider that to be an act of free will.
Neil:And when I say free will, what I mean by that is that sometimes we have to
Neil:enter into, we have to enter into a.
Neil:An arrangement with our spirit and our body to do something that
Neil:the mind doesn't want us to do.
Lee:And
Neil:so from that point of view, that often involves,
Neil:okay, I said, I would do this.
Neil:I don't feel like doing this at the end of the day, though, where
Neil:am I going to direct my actions?
Neil:Am I going to direct my actions in line with how I feel, or am I going to
Neil:direct my actions in line with, with what it is that I'm being called to do?
Lee:Hmm.
Lee:Yeah,
Neil:easy choices.
Neil:Translate to a harder life, harder choices translate to an easier life.
Neil:So in those situations, I've had situations where I've had to really,
Neil:you know, creatively think about how am I going to, I'll give you a scenario.
Neil:We went through a financial wipeout, total like wipeout.
Neil:Uh, you have a memory of standing at our fridge with my three children
Neil:there and opening the fridge and there's absolutely no, no food
Neil:in the fridge to feed my family.
Neil:What am I going to do?
Neil:You know what?
Neil:I've got a wedding jewelry that, um, we could sell and actually get some money
Neil:in order to be able to feed my children.
Neil:So, I mean, it's not even the enormity of the problem that is the issue.
Neil:It's more a matter of, can I look at anything and everything that
Neil:will provide a potential solution?
Neil:One of the things that I've found quite amazingly, uh, consistently over
Neil:my lifetime is that when I act in the face of difficult circumstances, I get
Neil:more lucky, opportunities show up now.
Neil:They're, um, There's a, there's a spiritual interpretation that some people
Neil:would say, well, that's, you know, that's God lending a hand when you need it.
Neil:There are others that would look at it from a, you know, from a more
Neil:like an energetic point of view, like putting something out into the
Neil:universe and the universe responds.
Neil:I mean, at the end of the day, there's different languaging, but I tell you,
Neil:um, regardless of what your language is and how you interpret that situation.
Neil:I've seen it not only again and again in my life, but in
Neil:the lives of people I'm around.
Neil:And that is that the more committed in action they are towards what they're
Neil:being called to do, the more that circumstances and situations seem to align
Neil:to support what it is that people are.
Kat:Yeah.
Kat:It's a universal principle.
Kat:Yeah.
Kat:It's just universal truths.
Kat:Wow.
Kat:That's amazing, Neil.
Lee:When you get to those points.
Lee:It's amazing just seeing the, the rejuvenation of the hope when you take
Lee:those steps and then you have that, the favor, the coincidences, you know, the
Lee:return of however people interpret it, uh, and it's such a big, big encouragement.
Lee:When.
Lee:You made that first leap of coming to the U.
Lee:S.
Lee:You had that, like, just that extreme confidence that you
Lee:were coming, uh, for a purpose.
Lee:You had, you know, just this will, as you said, to prove it.
Lee:It, whatever's going to happen, you're going to make it work.
Lee:Do you have a memory from your childhood of when that first was instilled with you?
Lee:Like when, when did you kind of start to feel that, that divine connection
Lee:and what were some of the signs for you that this is your calling?
Lee:That's
Neil:also a good question.
Neil:There's a couple of layers to that.
Neil:I.
Lee:Hmm.
Neil:I always knew, I think I said this before, I always knew that
Neil:I belonged to music and I didn't, I didn't even really understand
Neil:when I was young what that meant.
Neil:I just felt like if I had a, the place where I was situated, I felt
Neil:most me, if that was in music, like listening to music, playing music.
Neil:Uh, thinking about music, having a desire to do music that has
Neil:never, ever not been with me.
Neil:That feeling, that, that way of thinking has been with me for as
Neil:long as I have a memory of thinking.
Neil:But I didn't think of it as a calling.
Neil:I was too, I was a kid.
Neil:I didn't have the maturity to be able to see it that way.
Neil:I don't think I really started to see it as a calling until early adulthood.
Neil:And, um, I came from a family, my parents were self employed, successful
Neil:business people, amazing people.
Neil:I definitely won the parents lotto and born into a beautiful family.
Neil:And I knew that I wanted to get into businesses at a young age.
Neil:And my thinking had always been, I want to get into a business at a young
Neil:age so I can do well enough and make enough money so I can then pursue music.
Neil:The opportunities to have a very successful career in
Neil:music are limited in Australia.
Neil:You know, here, you know, Australia is a country that's the same
Neil:physical size as the United States.
Neil:In the United States, we've got what, 350 million people.
Neil:50 million people driving an economy in Australia, you know, had, had at that
Neil:time, like, you know, 15 or 18 million.
Neil:So it's just not as big a, um, yeah, an opportunity.
Neil:Um, casserole.
Neil:And so from that point of view, it's like, well, I couldn't really see
Neil:opportunities to pursue that would suffice what it was that I wanted
Neil:to be able to do with my life.
Neil:I'll tell you, I'll get into business.
Neil:I'll do business.
Neil:I'll get successful.
Neil:I'll make enough money really young.
Neil:I'll retire and do music.
Neil:I still didn't even know what do music was.
Neil:So my first venture in my early twenties into business was, um, in the restaurant
Neil:industry, I, you know, I bought a.
Neil:An established French restaurant and cook that over.
Neil:And that was an amazing experience to do that.
Neil:And I was very successful, double the business within a year.
Neil:The business was this one, but, but I was just unsatisfied.
Neil:It's a weird thing to be success, sort of successful financially,
Neil:but really unsatisfied.
Neil:Now I didn't understand that.
Neil:And I thought, well, what do I do?
Neil:Should, you know, I need to get into another business.
Neil:I, you know, got another restaurant and the same thing.
Neil:I was able to build it up, increase the business, but not be satisfied.
Neil:And, um, I ended up getting out of it.
Neil:We had three restaurants over a period of time and I got out of that industry.
Neil:I won't get.
Neil:There's a whole story about that, but I made a series of really
Neil:bad financial decisions and we went through a bankruptcy, just
Neil:lost everything in Australia.
Neil:When you lose everything, you literally lose everything.
Neil:And so, um, I remember there was this particular day where, um,
Neil:you know, there were, Our home was being sold in, in Australia, they'll
Neil:often sell homes via public auction.
Neil:And they put this big board up outside your home announcing that
Neil:there's an auction coming up.
Neil:And on the day the auctioneer comes outside your house and all
Neil:the people gather in the street and they auction your, your home.
Neil:There was this day where they were putting up the board to sell our home.
Neil:The truck was there, you know, it came to take our cars, we were losing everything.
Neil:And I, I remember I had this really.
Neil:Extraordinary experience, two things.
Neil:I actually saw my life as an equation.
Neil:I thought, Oh, wow.
Neil:I've been pursuing business to earn money, to do what I love.
Neil:And it suddenly occurred to me as a broken equation.
Neil:It's like, Oh, I'm going to flip that a whole equation around.
Neil:I need to be doing what I love.
Neil:And if there is such a thing as divine design, a pathway will reveal itself.
Neil:What occurred to me was, wow, I'm losing everything I have, but
Neil:I'm losing nothing of who I am.
Neil:And I felt completely whole and complete it's like, okay, from this
Neil:day forward, I'm going to pursue music.
Neil:It's like, this is what I'm meant to do.
Neil:And I think probably that was the first time where I felt utterly
Neil:viscerally connected to my relationship to music as a spiritual calling.
Neil:Wow.
Neil:At the same point in time, I was broke.
Neil:I've got a wife, I've got three children.
Neil:How are we gonna live?
Neil:I mean, you know, I'm, I'm committing myself to do this.
Neil:And by the way, I mean, I've been playing musical all my life, but
Neil:I'm not an advanced musician.
Neil:I mean, if you're a total beginner and you hear me play, you'll probably think,
Neil:wow, you're, you know, he's pretty good.
Neil:If I compare myself to, I listen to, I'm not even, I'm not even the ballpark.
Neil:I don't consider myself, I'm not a performing artist.
Neil:My strength is in composition and in education.
Neil:But not in performance and, and also my, my relationship to learning
Neil:music was completely different.
Neil:I never learned how to read music when I was going through all
Neil:those years of music lessons.
Neil:I didn't really, I couldn't read.
Neil:I didn't have theoretical knowledge.
Neil:I wasn't that great a player.
Neil:And here, here's me in my thirties with a wife and three children saying, Hey
Neil:guys, I'm going to do music as a career.
Neil:It's like it made no logical sense through the lens of what
Neil:people would consider to be.
Neil:Responsible adult decision making was absolutely the right decision,
Neil:even though I had no idea.
Neil:So if anyone said, what's the plan?
Neil:No plan.
Neil:Or what are you going to do?
Neil:No idea.
Neil:How are you going to live?
Neil:Don't know.
Neil:How are you going to feed your family?
Neil:Don't know.
Neil:But you're going to commit yourself to music?
Neil:Absolutely.
Neil:Why?
Neil:Because that is what I'm told to do.
Neil:And then I had a miracle happen.
Neil:A gentleman who I, uh, I had met, but I didn't really know he, um, his girlfriend
Neil:at the time had worked with me and, um, I, you know, I think I'd been an
Neil:assistance in her life and he just rang out of the blue and said, I know you're
Neil:going through a difficult time and, uh, I'm in a really good financial position
Neil:and, um, I'd like you to, you know, to support you in your path moving forward
Neil:and provided a means of us financially being able to take care of the family
Neil:and allow me to be able to, um, Begin music studying and start learning how
Neil:to read and learning about music theory and, you know, all of that process.
Neil:And I discovered that I had the ability to teach and started teaching
Neil:and there have been a whole series of miracles that occur, you know,
Neil:through this whole journey where things, and that was a significant one.
Kat:There's so much to unpack there, Neil.
Kat:Um, you know, when you're saying that doesn't even look like a logical, smart
Kat:decision, you just lost everything.
Kat:And then you're going to go into music and.
Kat:You don't even know where to start with it.
Kat:And it just didn't look logical at all.
Kat:But the other thing that I wanted to kind of gather from that is, you
Kat:know, back then, maybe we don't have a term for it, but now, you know, they
Kat:call it the imposter syndrome, right?
Kat:Where you realize that.
Kat:It's not, you don't think you're an advanced player.
Kat:You don't have strengths and you know, you don't feel like you're a
Kat:strong, uh, performer as a pianist.
Kat:You didn't read notes, like all these things that, especially back then, when
Kat:you think about a music teacher, a music teacher is someone who probably went to
Kat:school for music and learned how to read music and would teach the traditional.
Kat:Right.
Kat:And, and even nowadays, uh, we still, a lot of people still have that thinking.
Neil:Absolutely.
Neil:That's still prevalent.
Neil:That's the problem.
Kat:It's still prevalent.
Kat:I mean, I see a lot of, you know, people on Facebook groups talking
Kat:about like, well, you know, do they teach, it actually had a very,
Kat:um, tangible experience of that.
Kat:I had a student, um, And the mom was so, so stuck on, like, making sure that
Kat:the student learns how to read first.
Kat:And so, and obviously with Simply Music, that's not what we do.
Kat:So I just kind of stuck with what I do.
Kat:And then I taught the child, uh, improvisation.
Kat:And this was very early on.
Kat:It was the first four lessons.
Kat:And this child loved the improvisation, like enjoyed it so much.
Kat:And he was getting so much value out of that and so much joy.
Kat:And then at the end of the four, you know, trial lessons, the mom said,
Kat:I really see that he's enjoying it.
Kat:It's really awesome.
Kat:He's never done anything like that before, but I really want him to read music first.
Kat:So we're not going to continue with you, you know, and.
Kat:And I was like, okay, you know, I mean, it is what it is.
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Kat:What would you kind of say or advice you would give to those people who they
Kat:feel like they don't have the skills?
Kat:Like to, to pursue something that they love, or maybe they lack
Kat:the quote, unquote, what people say would skills should be right.
Kat:Like the, the, the common, uh, so societal norms that are like, Oh, you need to be
Kat:this, this, this to be able to teach that.
Kat:Um, how would you encourage those people?
Neil:Well, we have a number of things on our side.
Neil:I mean, as you know, Kat, in, in the world of simple music, given that this
Neil:is such a non traditional program, we deal with that all the time.
Neil:You know, that we are, we're in a culture where the, um, what is most prevalent
Neil:is the illusion that some people are musical and other people are not.
Neil:Culturally, we think there are some people that are creative types
Neil:and others are, are not all human beings are profoundly creative.
Neil:I mean, just look what your brain does every night when you dream.
Neil:I mean, it is astounding what the brain is capable of doing and everyone's,
Neil:you know, carrying this device pre installed we're all profoundly musical.
Neil:And, you know, there's such a fine line between obvious and
Neil:oblivious and we are so musical.
Neil:We are utterly oblivious to it.
Neil:We're not, we're not conscious of the musicality that underscores
Neil:walking and underscores talking and underscores gesture.
Neil:And I know if I, if I hung around any person who was absolutely convinced
Neil:they're not musical, if I just spent a morning with them, I could drive them
Neil:crazy with examples of things that they're doing that demonstrate a mastery of their
Neil:musicality and they're oblivious to it.
Lee:Yeah.
Lee:You
Neil:know, I can just see him getting to the stage an hour after
Neil:an hour being like, I get it.
Neil:I get it.
Neil:I'm musical.
Neil:I get it.
Neil:Even so culturally people are oblivious to it.
Neil:In fact, if I could only achieve one thing, if I had to choose only one
Neil:thing that I could achieve with my life, if that could be that I could bring
Neil:into human consciousness the fact that we are a profoundly musical species,
Neil:that and in and of itself would have a global transformative impact, I believe.
Neil:So first thing is.
Neil:If someone is not aware of that.
Neil:It's just like, forgive them father for they know not what they do, you know, it's
Neil:just that they're just not aware of it.
Neil:They're well meaning, but the reality of it is we're a
Neil:profoundly musical species yet.
Neil:So then history's on our side because we've been approaching music education
Neil:a particular way for hundreds of years.
Neil:And I'm of the view that the fundamental charter of music education is to
Neil:equip the population with the ability to be musically self expressed.
Neil:And at some point in time, I think it's fair to say, okay,
Neil:how are we doing after 300 years?
Neil:Have we fulfilled our charter?
Neil:And the reality of the matter is that Only a tiny fraction, tiny
Neil:percentage of the population have really been able to acquire music and
Neil:retain it as a lifelong companion.
Neil:And I think it's time for us to look and say, Hey, are we
Neil:going about this the right way?
Neil:Well, one way of doing that would be to ask the question, is there any other
Neil:model that we could compare it to, to have a look and see how we're doing?
Neil:And I think there is a, there is a very obvious model and that is speaking.
Neil:We speak, speak, speaking is just truncated singing.
Neil:Okay, what's, what's the model for imparting speech from
Neil:one generation to the next?
Neil:Well, it's left up to the parents.
Neil:Have they studied speaking?
Neil:No, they just speak.
Neil:You know, do they understand the theory of speech?
Neil:Well, no, they just speak.
Neil:We know that if you just allow a child to be in an environment
Neil:where there's speaking taking place, language will emerge.
Neil:Why are we not doing that with music?
Neil:Are we asking children to learn how to read and spell as a
Neil:means of learning how to talk?
Neil:No, that's preposterous.
Neil:Why are we doing that with music?
Neil:Why do we say music's a language but not treat it as a language?
Neil:When we're learning how to speak, we're not teaching children adverbs and
Neil:adjectives and participles and pronouns.
Neil:We're not teaching any of that.
Neil:Why are we teaching theory in the early stages?
Neil:Well, firstly, we learn how to speak, then we learn how to read and spell
Neil:and we learn grammar and we learn nouns and adjectives and adverbs.
Neil:All of that comes later on the foundation of performance.
Neil:Why are we doing that with music?
Lee:Hmm.
Neil:Yeah.
Neil:And, well, because we believe that we should do it a particular way,
Neil:well, maybe that's valid if the goal is to create some highly advanced
Neil:adult concert level performers.
Neil:But that's not what we need.
Neil:What the world needs now is to understand that musicianship provides the brain
Neil:with Critical neurological nutrition.
Neil:We are facing a revolution in existence, unlike anything that we have ever
Neil:seen in the history of humanity.
Neil:That being advanced technologies coming down the pipeline that will absolutely
Neil:transform life on earth, and that will redefine what it means to be human.
Neil:And it will require, it'll demand of us to completely rethink who and what we are.
Neil:And this is going to happen very quickly over these next several years, we're
Neil:going to have to really seriously adapt and we have to look at what can we do to
Neil:prepare our ourselves and our children to not just function in the new future,
Neil:but to flourish in the new future.
Neil:And we're seeing that now that musicianship has this unique
Neil:role to play in, in helping to develop a more creative brain.
Neil:So we've got to look at what can we do to get music into the hands
Neil:of as many people as possible.
Neil:We've tried this way for several hundred years, and in and of itself, the way we
Neil:are teaching creates a barrier of entry to immediately connecting to a musicianship.
Neil:So let's treat it like language, let's democratize it, let's deformalize
Neil:it, let's move away from the theory and the math and the technique and
Neil:the technicalities and the scales and the drills and the exercises.
Neil:Let's just get people playing.
Neil:And let's create a system that's designed to bring music to the masses.
Neil:And just like we do language.
Neil:And just as we would never question, a parent would never question their ability
Neil:to impart language to their children.
Neil:The same thing can be true of musicianship.
Neil:I can show an eight year old child how to play this simple song,
Neil:and they can go right home and show their friend how to do it.
Neil:And that friend can show their friend how to do it.
Neil:And that is what I call democratization.
Neil:But we not only need to revolutionize that, that method.
Neil:But we also need to revolutionize accessibility because if this method
Neil:could only be taught by that highly trained, formally qualified person, then
Neil:we've created a social barrier of entry.
Neil:So we need to revolutionize the teaching process as well.
Neil:And say, listen, this is a skillset that you can learn adequately.
Neil:Are you going to produce adult concert level, uh, pianist?
Neil:I'd probably not.
Neil:For the average person, if you haven't gone through that route
Neil:yourself, it requires a very particular set of skills and
Neil:understanding and knowledge, et cetera.
Neil:But that's not what we need.
Neil:What we need is something that's, that's ideal to be able to get people connected
Neil:and have them enjoy the sheer fun and absolute pleasure and all the emotional
Neil:benefits and the psychological benefits.
Neil:And you can get total beginners that are playing great sounding music being taught
Neil:by relatively total beginners themselves.
Neil:That's what the world needs.
Neil:We need a democratization.
Neil:We need to revolutionize both the method and who can teach the method.
Neil:Wow.
Neil:And, and that's going to require people being sort of evangelists about
Neil:this saying, look, what we've done.
Neil:Has been great for traditional times, but we are far from traditional times.
Neil:We're about to enter a new era and we have a tool at our disposal that will really
Neil:help us to flourish in the new future.
Neil:And we have to disseminate this on a scale, unlike anything that we've ever
Neil:seen before, revolutionize the method, revolutionize accessibility, who wants to
Neil:join that and be able to make an enormous contribution to helping to elevate
Neil:the creative capability of humanity.
Neil:I'm, I'm up for that.
Kat:It's so powerful.
Kat:It's
Neil:awesome.
Kat:I just, that last night I was, uh, it was, uh, was it
Kat:last night or the other night?
Kat:But anyway, um, I was telling Lee, I'm like, babe, you can
Kat:learn how to read rhythm.
Kat:You know that?
Kat:Like, like right now you'll learn how to read rhythm.
Kat:So I just pulled up like one of the masters of rhythm exercise and I told
Kat:him, look, this is how you read it.
Kat:And then I like have them like march it and just put it in his body.
Kat:And then like in literally like about five, 10 minutes, he was reading rhythm.
Kat:I was like, did you know you could read rhythm?
Kat:And he's like, No.
Kat:I was like, see, like, you just read it.
Kat:I'm like this.
Kat:And, and I, you know, Neil, right?
Kat:Like I, I do this every week.
Kat:But the magic and the profound wonder that I have for it doesn't go away.
Kat:Every single time.
Kat:I'm still like, that was so cool.
Kat:Every single time.
Kat:I'm always like, that was the coolest thing because it's not the way I learned.
Kat:The way I learned was so cool.
Kat:Difficult and so tedious and I didn't have this experience of fun, you
Kat:know learning, you know Of course, I think I just naturally love music.
Kat:So over time I actually enjoyed it, you know But just the learning
Kat:process was so difficult and this way it's just been amazing . Yeah.
Kat:Well, Neil, um, we're gonna come to a close.
Kat:I guess
Lee:as a, maybe a final question.
Lee:With everything that you've experienced, uh, the training that you'd be able to
Lee:put out and produce for kids, adults, you know, humanity as a whole Mm-Hmm.
Lee:being at the top of the game, top of the pile, and then all the way down
Lee:to the bottom where people are taking your home and everything else away.
Lee:Um, from all of those different experiences, could you define
Lee:what a wildly wealthy life is?
Lee:A few things
Neil:to experience being fully and freely self expressed to experience
Neil:contributing to the quality of life of others on as large a scale as possible
Neil:to experience adventure and excitement and a lifestyle that's
Neil:not thwarted by any form of insufficiency or constraint or disease.
Neil:And most importantly, I think to be immersed in the experience
Neil:of both loving and being loved.
Neil:That's amazing.
Kat:That's good.
Kat:I love that last one.
Lee:Yeah.
Lee:Like precise, just boom, boom, boom.
Kat:Awesome.
Kat:Well, Neil, thank you for your time.
Kat:This was incredible.
Kat:I'm so excited to.
Kat:To share this and, uh, yeah, I'm just so incredibly thankful that
Kat:you took the time and I got to learn a couple more things about you.
Kat:I feel like Neil, every time I talk to you, I'm just like, just really
Kat:in wonder, just in awe and wonder.
Kat:So thank you.
Kat:Thank you.
Kat:Thank you.
Neil:Thank you.
Neil:My pleasure.
Neil:Thanks for having me here today.
Neil:And Kat, thanks for what it is that you contribute to others.
Neil:And thanks for valuing music to such an extent that you're willing to commit.
Neil:And bring that level of commitment.
Neil:I know how much you care about your students, and I've seen, I see how
Neil:continuously it moves you to tears, um, what it is that they experience.
Neil:Even like right now, I've only got to mention it.
Neil:I can see that it just
Lee:brings it up
Neil:here.
Neil:And, uh, you got that man behind you that's committed to you being the biggest,
Neil:brightest, best version of yourself.
Neil:And so
Lee:we basically just pay for the hair to get dyed.
Lee:That's it could be bright and wonderful.
Lee:Just kidding.
Lee:I appreciate that.
Lee:Neil and Neil, just being on the back in the background, just knowing the
Lee:contributions that you've made already.
Lee:With your life, it's really inspiring and it's also beautiful to see because
Lee:I think about like I see cat, I see the impact that she has on the students
Lee:that she connects with and everything.
Lee:But then I think about the tens of thousands of instructors you've probably
Lee:inspired in the course of your lifetime.
Lee:And then that ripple effect.
Lee:And, you know, when, whenever you connect with that divine,
Lee:hopefully, you know, yeah.
Lee:50, 60, 70 years from now, but to see that, that ripple, that stone
Lee:that you threw in the pond of life and how far those waves really
Lee:carried, it's, it's going to be.
Lee:Uh, a beautiful, beautiful moment.
Lee:I think.
Lee:Yeah.
Lee:Thank you, Lee.
Lee:I appreciate that.
Lee:Uh, Neil, where are a couple of places people can find you and connect with you?
Neil:On social media at the Neil Moore and the neilmoore.
Neil:com or simply music.
Neil:com.
Neil:Beautiful, I just
Lee:want to make
Neil:sure we give you a chance to show you very much.
Neil:Yeah, have people check out my TED talk.
Neil:That's
Kat:it.
Kat:Yeah, I've shared that.
Kat:I'm going to share.
Kat:I'm doing a whole round of like email sequences, reengaging my my email list.
Kat:And that's part of the thing that I already have in mind to to share.
Kat:I'm excited.
Kat:Thank
Neil:you very much.
Neil:Yeah,
Kat:awesome.
Kat:Thank you, Neil.
Neil:Bye guys.
Neil:Thank you.
Neil:Bye.
Neil:Listening to you guys.
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