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Machine Learning, AI & Cyber Security Part 1: Used for Good
Episode 317th August 2022 • Razorwire Cyber Security • Razorthorn Security
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Welcome to another episode of Razorwire Podcast! We are joined today by Oliver Rochford of Securonix and Jonathan Care, a mentor of mine who specialises in cyber security and fraud detection. 


As AI and its application in cyber security are such a big topic, this podcast will be in two parts. We will discuss machine learning and artificial intelligence for information security in the first part of our discussion today.  

The second one will be published soon and deals with artificial intelligence, machine learning and its potential dangers. 


All of us are fascinated by the world of AI and begin to imagine the scene we've seen in the movies. But in this podcast episode, we will do some reality checking on AI. We discussed how far artificial intelligence has advanced, how it can be used for cyber security, its limitations and whether it can replace our jobs. 


Find out how AI can be used in cyber security and why we shouldn't place high expectations on it in this episode. Listen to this episode on your favourite podcasting platform. 


If you are a new listener to Razorwire, we would love to hear from you. For more information about us or if you have any questions you would like us to discuss on the podcast email 



In this episode, we covered the following topics: 


  • Where does AI stand in terms of technology, business and governance? 
  • The advancement of artificial intelligence in technology, business and governance: how far has it come? 
  • The role of artificial intelligence in detecting cyber fraud 
  • Differences between using AI for general decision-making and detecting cybercrime 
  • What areas can AI can be applied to in cyber security 
  • An analysis of AI security's limitations  
  • Will we be able to allow AI to take actions without first obtaining human approval? 
  • Are security AI systems capable of replacing cyber security providers someday or in the foreseeable future? 
  • In what ways can artificial intelligence and humans work together? 
  • Why AI must not be held to such high expectations 






Oliver Rochford  

–  worked in cyber security as a penetration tester, consultant and  industry analyst for over 20 years 


Oliver has worked in cyber security as a penetration tester, consultant, researcher, and industry analyst for over 20 years. Interviewed, cited and quoted by media, think tanks and academia, he has written for SecurityWeek, CSO Online and Dark Reading. While working at Gartner, he co-named the Security Orchestration, Automation and Response (SOAR) market, worked on the SIEM Magic Quadrant and also covered the European MSSP Market. Prior to joining Securonix, Oliver worked for Qualys, Verizon, Gartner and Tenable. Oliver is a Senior Director and Security Evangelist at Securonix. 

Jonathan Care 

- expert in the field of cyber security & fraud detection 

Jonathan Care is a recognised expert in the field of cyber security and fraud detection. A former top-rated Gartner analyst, Care was responsible for defining the fraud market and leading Gartner’s Insider Threat and Risk research. He regularly advises cyber security industry leaders on strategic growth and has worked with key figures in industry and government across the globe. He is a lead contributor for Dark Reading, an industry-defining publication. 

Care has testified in court as an expert witness and forensic investigator and is a Fellow of the British Computer Society. He also fuels his creative passion as a composer of film/TV music. 




Connect with Your host James Rees 


Hello, I am James Rees, the host of the Razorwire podcast. This podcast brings insights from leading cyber security professionals who dedicate their careers to making a hacker’s life much more difficult. 

Our guests bring you experience and expertise from a range of disciplines and from different career stages. We give you various viewpoints for improving your cyber security; from seasoned professionals with years of experience, triumphs and lessons learned under their belt, to those in relatively early stages of their careers offering fresh eyes and new insights. 

With new episodes every other Wednesday, Razorwire is a podcast for cyber security enthusiasts and professionals providing insights, news and fresh ideas on protecting your organisation from hackers. 

Listen to this episode on your favourite podcasting platform and for more information about us or if you have any questions you would like us to discuss on the podcast email 


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