In this episode of Combat Vet Vision, host Aaron Q. Seibert welcomes Jessica Povey, a registered nurse with nearly two decades of experience in emergency, trauma, aviation, and motorsports medicine. Jessica shares her journey through some of healthcare's most demanding environments, from emergency departments and flight nursing to providing medical support at professional motorsports and off-road racing events.

The conversation explores the unique challenges of delivering life-saving care in austere environments, the evolution of emergency medical services, and how innovation is shaping the future of air medical transport. Jessica also discusses her leadership role with Global Medical Response, where she helps develop new technologies and operational strategies that improve patient care and clinical safety across aviation medicine.

Takeaways:

• This podcast episode emphasizes the importance of supporting combat veterans through various organizations and initiatives.
• The conversation highlights Jesse Povey's unique journey as a trauma nurse and her involvement in motorsports medicine.
• Listeners are encouraged to understand the challenges faced by medical professionals in racing environments and the need for proper preparation.
• The episode illustrates the profound impact of personal stories and experiences on community support and healing processes.
• A significant aspect of the discussion focuses on the collaboration between various nonprofits dedicated to aiding veterans and their families.
• The narrative of Chris Carlisle's tragic accident serves as a poignant reminder of the fragility of life and the importance of medical readiness in racing.

Jessica Povey, RN

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Hey, how's it going?

Welcome to Combat Vet Vision.

Hey.

This is a platform for sponsor supporters, volunteers, businesses, things of that nature, that supporting our veterans, our combat veterans, their stories and everybody else's in between.

There's so many non profits that are doing incredible things out there to, you know, veterans that are trying to make things happen in, in, in, in society and everything in between.

Hey, I gotta, I got a great guest on today.

Hopefully we'll get JB Brown on deck.

Obviously, Chef jb, we had a good time this weekend.

Obviously.

It's the 4th of July, 250th anniversary.

Such an incredible time and the spirit of the, of the day was just incredible.

We had some great smoking going on out out in the mountains up in Cold Creek Pass and just, just enjoying some great food and great company.

This, this is being brought to you by the Veterans Transition Resource Center.

Uh, this is where the studios and we're doing some incredible things out of here.

Uh, and, and so many other nonprofits that are doing great.

Uh, Warrior Built Foundation, PTSD foundation of America, Recon Chief Incorporated and, and anything in between.

There's so many other ones I'd love to, to work with and do a lot of things.

My guest today is Jesse Povey.

She is a nurse.

She's been a nurse for a whole bunch of years, 18 years, I believe, and a trauma nurse at that.

And she has an incredible story.

We also have the first responders telling their stories here and their involvement with, with, with, with combat veterans or whatever it is.

And Jesse has an incredible story and, and an awesome story with Warrior Built Foundation.

So Jesse, how you doing?

Thanks a lot for being here.

Hi, thanks for having me.

I'm very excited to be on here.

Yeah.

So we can go back and tell us, you know, you grew up, talk about that a little bit and, and, and what it was that motivated you to get into medicine and obviously trauma racing, all this other cool stuff that you've been part of.

So this will be a great story.

It's your story.

Yeah.

Well, thank you for having me.

I'm very excited to be on here.

Medicine's kind of always been something I've been around.

I grew up actually as a pretty sick kid in and out of the hospital through a good portion of my childhood and with a ton of support from, you know, the medical community, staff nurses.

You know, I can remember being in the hospital and being taken care of so greatly and thinking I want to do this for somebody else.

And then coming from a smaller community, I'm from Reno, Nevada.

But my whole family is from Urington, Nevada, which is a really small town.

And just working around EMS search and rescue, being around that within our small community really kind of brought my attention to what I wanted to do and helping others and being part of that.

My dad raced motorcycles, I met my husband at an off road race.

And so for us, being part of the EMS and racing community is something, something that has always been a strong part of my heart.

High school in Nevada, they let you get your emt.

And so I got that pretty early on.

Went to nursing school and just fell in love with trauma, fell in love with emergency medicine.

Although I think I've done just about everything you can imagine in the nursing field, from oncology to physical rehab to ICU cardiac trauma.

It's just really opened my eyes to all the different avenues of medicine that available to work in and just get experience in.

What, what school did you end up going to and how did that work out and what, you know, what did you have to do to make sure that that happened?

So, thankfully I was super, super well supported by my family and they kind of always were there backing me up and, you know, when I told them that I wanted to go to nursing school and wanted to work in ems, they were right there behind me the whole way.

Went to college at University of Nevada, Reno, and actually ended up transitioning because it was taking too long to get into their nursing program.

So went to Truckee Meadows Community College, got my nursing degree, got my RN and started working right away in our local hospital.

And then from there, after being a nurse for about 10 years, I decided that I wanted to go back and get my bachelor's and so did that program through Marysville university out of St. Louis.

I.

And then I've certified in a number of different areas from oncology to trauma to just board certifications.

Just trying to expand my knowledge.

I'm one of those people that can't hold my attention for very long.

So I'm a lifelong learner in any way that I can expand my knowledge in any form of medicine.

EMS is something that I really enjoy doing and racing.

Obviously your dad got you into that a little bit because he love the motorcycle stuff, right?

Yes.

Talk about, talk about your racing and why that's such an important part of your life too.

Yeah, no, My dad, he raced, ran racing and hare and hound growing up, and I have some phenomenal pictures from his racing days and some awesome stories that, you know, I grew up with.

And oddly enough One of my husband's best friends brought me out to a race in our hometown of Yurrington.

And he said, you'll, you'll fall in love with this.

He's like, this is right up your alley.

He's like, you love the outdoors, you love racing, you love anything with motor.

Like, you'll, you'll be right on point.

And I absolutely fell in love with it.

That was actually where I met my husband was that first race, and we got to know each other.

And from there it just kind of grew into a passion for both of us.

I had always grown up on motorcycles and quads, and he grew up in, you know, buggies and race trucks.

And so together we decided that we were gonna pursue this passion together.

And with that, I took my EMS and, you know, medical knowledge along with me, which opened up a lot of really cool doors that I think a lot of people don.

Know are available, and a lot of that comes to racing medicine.

And it's a really untapped avenue that I think provides a lot of opportunity both for, for racers to get better care as well as for, you know, EMS and, and nursing folks to get involved and realize that there's a lot more that they can contribute to the racing community as a whole.

So you were able to tie in your, your passion for medicine and your passion for racing and create obviously being a flight nurse on top of that with the, the medicine is super important because some of these remote areas, especially in Reno, the Vegas to Reno race is such a huge piece and warrior built races that the, the Baja races are so incredibly long.

I mean, you got a thousand mile race and there's nothing in between for medicine.

And really a lot of these helicopters are landing and picking up these guys and getting them to where they can go, even if they're not, you know, medically certified, especially in Baja.

But it's such an incredible thing.

So talk about that and what that has meant to you to be so passionate in both different directions, racing and emergency medicine.

What a way, what a cool way to combo that.

Yeah, it was, it was a very serendipitous moment.

My husband had taken a job with a pretty large race team out of Las Vegas, and they had just decided that they wanted to start carrying medical personnel on board that aircraft.

And so the crew chief at the time knew that I was a nurse.

And he asked, you know, hey, would you be interested if, you know, we met all the rules and, you know, we got a doctor to sign off on things, would you be interested in flying with us and kind of being the team nurse, medic, and, you know, racing with us.

And I said, absolutely.

Sounds fantastic.

I had already done some minor work with local racing associations up in Reno, as far as, you know, providing some on call and rescue help in the remoter areas, being able to ride in off road race vehicles, and being comfortable in that scenario.

And that dynamic gave me an opportunity to already have some experience in remote access and almost search and rescue like scenarios.

So I started flying specifically for that race team for about six years, I think.

So my flight experience is very different than a lot of flight nurses.

I worked out at the public sector and so it gave very interesting perspective because unlike most flight teams, you have a nurse, a medic and a pilot, and sometimes you even have a third person, whether it be another nurse or another medic.

And in the scenario where I was working, it was just me.

I always joke that my partner was our camera guy and he learned probably a lot more about medicine than he ever wanted to know.

Flying with me, he knew my bag inside and out.

He worked with me on multiple incidents where there were no other hands on deck to help.

And so it really gave me an opportunity to expand my knowledge and it also opened my eyes to the world of, you know, what is motorsports medicine and how does it actually look like in the field and in reality.

And, you know, one of those experiences was with warrior built.

And it's one that's still near and dear to my heart and one that, you know, I will hold forever in my heart for multiple reasons.

But many times the flight medic or the flight nurse on these private aircraft are the only help for hundreds of miles.

Especially when we're talking about Baja.

There is not necessarily a designated safety team or medical team available to respond to these incidents.

So the closest available aircraft, if they're carrying medical personnel, you are the rescue team and you are the person going to that.

I can tell you that I flew multiple search and reconnaissance missions trying to find lost or downed riders.

We've landed for, for dehydration, we've landed for, you know, wrecks.

We've seen how brutal off road racing can be, especially when you're in another country.

And I think it's a huge aspect of race medicine that is unknown still and has a lot of opportunity to improve.

And we're seeing that I think every season get a little bit better.

And for me, my goal is always that everybody comes home.

You know, no race is worth losing your life over, but it happens.

And any way we can mitigate that and decrease those chances for me is worth.

Worth it.

It's worth every minute, every piece of training, every, you know, decision that I make.

I will stand behind that.

And I think it's a really huge part of, you know, the development of racing overall.

Incredible.

And your passion sounds absolutely amazing.

And I understand medicine because as being a corpsman, that's really what.

What I am.

You know, I'm a trauma God from what they say.

Or, you know, we earn this title doc after we graduate fmss, and we hang out with the Marine Corps and do dangerous stuff all the time, and we still get out of the military and do dangerous stuff.

We're going to get into the warrior build story in just a second, but Chef jb, How you doing, brother?

I just wanted to, you know, say sorry I. I didn't send you the link.

I sent the link to everybody but you, and I was like, oh, no.

Okay, we got you the link.

Good afternoon.

Thanks.

And then my batteries were out of my camera, you know.

Oh, man.

Hey, how you doing, Chef?

It was great hanging out with you on the 4th of July.

We had some awesome stuff.

You.

You cooked it up, you know, Chef, jb, Chef of the Year out here in Vegas and knocking it out just for this awesome party for the VTRC and all the guests for.

For the guys that were out there.

So smoked lobster, we had shrimp, king crab legs, you know, alligator tail fries.

First time for me to try that.

Yep.

And welcome, Jesse.

I was listening to your story there.

That's great.

I mean, what a dedicated thing.

You know, I. I'm.

I'm amazed.

But I do.

I do see the need or know the need when you're.

When you're hurt or you're sick, you need help, you know, and that's.

Thank God somebody's there, you know, my hat.

Hats off to you.

And, And Jesse, when we get back into the story, you know, this isn't just off road racing that you're part of.

You do a lot of track racing, too, right?

You're part of a awesome team that, you know, has all these exotic cars.

Talk about that for a quick minute and then we'll get, you know, Chris Carlisle.

I just want to put it out there.

Chris Carlisle, awesome Marine.

Two Purple Hearts, one for one, one in Iraq, one in Afghanistan.

Good buddy of mine, and.

And we lost him, unfortunately.

And we're going to go into that story of what, you know, everything you did to try to save his life.

And, you know, these.

These things, you know, sometimes just, you know, it's it's internal bleeding that took him.

But.

And we'll get into that story, but, you know, talk a little bit before just about not just the racing off road, but the track racing, too, and what you're involved in with that.

Yeah.

As my career progressed and I. I moved out of the bedside and kind of into the tech world, I was given the opportunity to join a safety team that covers, you know, multiple avenues from.

From NASCAR to us.

And it really has given me the opportunity to learn a lot more about different aspects of racing and race medicine.

I get to work with some incredible practitioners, both emergency medicine docs.

I get to work with some of the most incredible trauma neurosurgeons out in the world.

I learned so much kind of in that vein.

I get to work with some incredible paramedics, some firefighters, and it really just allows you to work in a very different dynamic in the sense of you have a very experienced team.

You have a team that knows everybody's role, everybody has a part to play, and they understand that, and it gives you the ability to do some incredible work.

I mean, we've had cars on their roofs, we've had cars on fire, and we've gotten back to racing in under 10 minutes.

And it just shows that with the quality of training and the knowledge and the talent that is out there and the passion to do what we do, we get to do some really incredible things.

And, you know, between saving lives and just even getting crews back out on the track and giving them the opportunity to get back into racing as soon as possible, it's.

It's an absolutely incredible experience.

And I've gotten to work with some of the.

The best folks in the world when you talk about race medicine.

And it's probably the.

One of my favorite aspects of what I do.

Yeah, it is.

And.

And I just want to throw it out there.

Like, a lot of people might not understand racing and why it's such a.

A such a transition for, I would say, our military to get involved in is because there's a thing called throttle therapy.

And.

And I just talked to.

I just talked to qrfup.com yesterday, I talked to Stephen Hammer, and he was explaining, you know, he's got this big program for veterans to get involved with NASCAR and doing some things.

10.

10 Different seats for that, the pit crew, and being part of the pit crew, and that's really where I am a lot of times.

I love it, too, because when the car comes in, you get to evaluate a.

To make sure the driver's still okay.

Make sure that they're hydrated, got some food.

All these different things, right?

It's not just.

It's not just medicine, like, medicine that's needed.

Trauma.

It's.

It's about evaluation, constantly making sure everybody's okay, making sure everybody's staying hydrated.

You know, so many other aspects to the life system to keep it moving.

And not just for you, not just for the racer, but for the whole staff.

And, Jesse, you do it, and you've done it.

And let's go into the Chris Carlisle story, and you can talk about why and.

And how that whole thing went down.

I wasn't there for this race.

The Vegas Torino is a very famous race.

It's really awesome to be part of.

And some of these guys, man, they full throttle all the way.

And Chris.

Chris was a.

An almost professional race racer on.

On the motorcycle, and he understood their bikes, like it was cool.

And his family's all into racing out in the desert and doing that, and he was just getting it and loving it.

And we talked about it and.

Go ahead, Jesse.

Yeah.

It's.

It's one that will forever be in my heart for, like I said, a number of reasons.

I was racing with our Red Bull team, and I was flying in that race in our aircraft.

We were actually running behind in that race.

We had multiple flats that we didn't expect, and so we were running a lot farther back in the pack than we normally would be.

And so we actually were in between, I think, Pit 11 and 12 just outside of Mina, which is a. I wouldn't even call it a small mining town.

It's a blip on the map if you're lucky on a good day.

You'll probably miss it if you blink.

And so we came over the hill out of the canyon, and we saw another aircraft on the ground with what appeared to be somebody down.

And so our pilot radioed down to that other pilot and asked if they needed assistance.

And they said, yes, we have somebody down.

We need medical assistance.

And so we circled back around, came down, we landed next to him.

I saw Chris down on the ground on one side of the track and his bike propped up on the other side of the track.

I immediately hopped out, camera guy, who, again, absolutely incredible, grabbed my medical bag while I ran over to start assessing him, and he brought up my bag behind me.

We determined that something was very, very wrong at that point in time, just doing basic assessment.

We knew that whatever had happened was significant.

And that we needed to move him.

So we started just kind of the basic maneuvers, you know, C spine, doing pelvic, pelvic patient, trying to determine, you know, what was going on.

Is this internal bleeding?

Is this broken bones, broken pelvis?

Was he hit by, did he fall?

And he had very limited ability to communicate with us.

He was in a significant amount of pain.

He was really struggling to tell us what was going on.

And we were able to get his name and that, you know, he was hurting.

And so we started an IV on him.

We determined that we needed to life flight him out of there.

So, you know, between me and our camera guy, we got him into our aircraft.

We left our camera guy in the middle of the desert and we took off with the intention of heading to the next pit where there was an ambulance station that we could get some more support at.

During that flight, we found additional injuries that were not visible on the ground.

Once we were able to start, you know, removing, you know, his, his jerseys and things like that, determined that there was some significant blood loss.

We landed at Pit 12 and found that the ambulance crew had gone out with the warrior built team, which I had not met in person yet, as they saw on their technology that their rider was down as well.

We made a judgment call being that we had no additional medical assistance, that we were going to fly to the nearest hospital, which was Hawthorne, Nevada, which was probably about a 15 minute flight.

But we did have to cross into military airspace.

So we were taking a risk because this wasn't a standard flight path, this was not a standard maneuver.

So we, we kind of took a risk and decided that that was the best option.

You know, during this, we determined that there was definitely some significant internal bleeding, that he was going to need some follow up once we got to that hospital, and likely need to go to a further trauma center.

Once we got there, we were able to radio in.

They were able to get an ambulance crew out to us to help us get him in from there.

This was a critical access hospital.

This is not a trauma hospital.

This is a hospital that has, you know, five staff members in the ED on a good day.

And so at that point, I stayed in the hospital with them, helped stabilize him.

At that point, he was able to talk to us.

I held his hand the whole time.

We got fluid started on him, X rays, made a plan of attack.

He stabilized at that point.

And then we were told, you know, we needed to move our helicopter because that's the only landing pad at the facility, and they needed to bring in the.

The next medevac for him to fly to the trauma hospital.

So at that point, we knew he had something pretty severe going on, but we had stabilized him.

We had started fluids, started blood.

We done everything possible to set him up for survival.

I told him bye and that I would follow up with him.

And I walked out the door, and that was the last I saw of him.

And he told me, thank you, and, you know, I shook his hand and I told him to hang in there.

And we went back on the flight, went back out to where we had left our camera guy in the middle of the desert.

And that is where I met Nick Ham from Warrior Built, who was actually out there picking up Chris's bike.

And, you know, I gave him a report, told him kind of what was going on, what we knew and how he was.

He gave me his card, and he said, you know, stay in contact.

And so we continued on with our race.

As we got to the final helipad where we were landing, I had messaged Nick and said, hey, you know, any updates?

How's he doing?

And it was at that point that he.

He called and let me know that Chris did not survive that.

He was loaded into the next medevac and was on his route to the trauma center and did not survive that flight.

And from there, you know, I. I developed a very strong relationship with Warrior Belt.

They really took me in under their wing and.

And made me part of their family.

Gave me the opportunity to meet Chris's family, to meet you folks, and really just kind of be taken in as part of their families.

And I still talk to Chris's family today, his mom and his sisters.

You know, I got to meet his children, and, you know, I. I gave them the best closure that I could and.

And told my story of what had happened so that they could possibly.

Every year on.

On the anniversary of his passing, you know, the Warrior Built guys reach out to me.

You know, a lot of the Marines that Chris served with that came into contact with me over social media and through Warrior Built, you know, they call and check on me, his family.

You know, we all, you know, have made, remained in close contact.

And knowing that, you know, he is watching over us now, and, you know, he's.

He's kind of our guardian angel every time we.

We suit up and head out into the desert or head to the track.

And it.

It's a reminder of how fragile life is, and that even when you're doing something that you love and that you're passionate for, nothing's Guaranteed.

And it's one of the main reasons that I continue to do what I do in, as a medical professional in racing is, you know, I want everybody to come home to me.

No race is worth your life, but at the same time, it's the risk that we all run.

My husband's a racer.

He'll be racing in two weeks.

I think.

It's not something that I take lightly as both a medical professional and a wife and a MOT and somebody who in, in my own right, really enjoys throttle therapy myself.

And, you know, it's something that I think we have, you know, plenty of room to improve and to really make strides in motorsports medicine, especially when we're talking about off road racing, because there are very few support mechanisms in place.

It doesn't mean that we're doing it wrong.

It just means that we can do it better.

And I think there's huge opportunity there.

And Chris's story is one of those where I think, think there's lots that we can learn from it.

I don't think that any of us did anything wrong.

We did the best with what we had to work with.

Similar to, you know, military medicine.

You don't always have the resources, so you do the best with what you can.

And, you know, I've been super well supported afterwards.

And while it is something that, you know, still weighs heavy on me, and as any medical professional will tell you, you'll sit there and you'll look back and you'll go, well, what if I did this?

Or should I have done that?

If I did, this would have been different.

And, you know, I've told this story to many of my other, you know, racing professionals and, and race medics and, and docs, and they all say the same thing.

You know, hindsight's 20 20, and there's nothing that you could have done in that moment that would have changed the outcome.

All you can do is learn from it.

And so that's a big thing for us is, you know, taking those moments and appreciating life for what it is and then learning from, you know, those scenarios, no matter how tragic they are.

Exactly.

You know, and thanks.

Thanks for taking that on.

This is the first time I've ever heard the story in this kind of detail.

And, you know, Chris was one of these guys that was bigger than life in a lot of ways.

And if anybody ever ran into him, you know, he.

He was just a guy that you just took advice from and he had advice.

He had life experience, life Marine experience, combat experience.

And I Remember we shot a video of a group for the PTSD foundation of America and Warrior Built.

Like, hey, here's what we do at Warrior Built.

We got this lounge and Chris was doing.

It was.

It was.

It was a fake group.

It was just like we're filming it just to show that we do this group.

But I remember Chris gave a.

A speech in there when he was talking about it, that he could learn from each one of us at any given time.

Time.

And this is where I got the whole puzzle pieces that I talk about all the time.

He's like, I can get a puzzle piece from this person or that person and it puts it together and it helps deal with PTSD on a different level or it helps deal with life in a different level.

But Chris was just bigger than life.

And, and it's such an honor for you to tell the story that you did, and thanks for helping and trying to make this happen.

And the.

Cool.

I didn't know you had to fly through, you know, military territory, but Hawthorne is a, A is.

Is an army base, and it's one of the largest bases we got that, that munition base.

And it's kind of crazy.

If you go out and see this place, it's in the beautiful mountain scenery and there's just tons and tons of, like, bunkers everywhere, and you're just like, as far as the eye can see and warehouses.

It's crazy.

So for you to have to fly to Hawthorne, incredible.

I mean, just for you to, you know, take the.

The initiative to be like, hey, we got to get the job done.

Yeah, this is military territory.

The communication probably didn't take place, and it.

The amount of time it would take to get permission, hey, we're going to take this and make it happen.

And those things have to happen.

Sometimes in emergency medicine, you have to make rational decisions in a unrational world sometimes.

So it's great that, that you were there and, and thanks for being part of Warrior Built Family because we do tend to have some awesome volunteers, awesome people that we associate with all the time that make incredible things happen, incredible stories that, that are part of Warrior Built history, part of our military history now and part of, you know, somebody else's history and, and Chris's family.

Thanks for being in touch with them and, you know, just.

Just honoring him on his day of loss, you know, our day of loss of Chris, you know, and I, I also get to honor Chris coming up here on the 30th for the gray Stars golf tournament in Southern California.

They put on for a fundraiser for the PTSD foundation of America.

But I was asked to do these honor boards for 18 different veterans.

Chris is one of them.

But I will say in doing this, it had to make me think about each one of these guys in a weird light that I normally don't have to, I normally don't go to that depth of thought process and doing these things.

It's important for us to all be able to talk about it and for you to share the experience with your medics and all these different things.

But to be able to talk about these things sometimes opens up new thought process that help you manage in trauma, in loss, in every everyday, you know, occurrences.

And you as a nurse, you're always going to be on the edge of life and death, especially as a trauma nurse, a flight trauma nurse at that and a racing nurse.

So you've got like a double, you know, triple quadruple whammy and you're a racer.

And physical fitness.

Talk, talk about your physical fitness.

Dude, thanks for everything you did for Chris.

Thanks for being part of Warrior built mission.

Thanks for being here with us today at the BTRC with Chef and I, Guy and Brian Colburn in the background doing some really cool stuff.

But talk about your physical fitness and why that's so important.

I know you really put on some really good stuff.

You put it out there on Facebook.

It's an inspiration.

And talk about that.

Yeah, so I mean I've always grown up as an athlete.

I come from a family of athletes.

My dad was a football player, power lifter, you know, road, motorcycles.

My mom was a runner, also super fit.

So for me it was always something that it was kind of a non negotiable.

I grew up riding horses, grew up, up, you know, playing soccer, running track.

You know, for us it wasn't an option.

And the thing that happens, I think to a lot of us is as we get older, we, we change and life hits And I got to a point after I got done surviving cancer to where I just wasn't happy with where I was at.

I wasn't happy with, you know, how my body felt and how I felt in my body and decided that I was going to do something about that and I really took the time to sit and figure out what to do next.

I won't say that, you know, I didn't have a lot of help along the way but you know, I, I was close to 200 pounds for a while and managed to lose 60 pounds with the help of some amazing people and support, you Know, having a plan, I won't lie.

I used, you know, GLP1s to kind of jumpstart that and really, you know, but made a plan, plan with it, right?

Use the tools at your disposal.

I think that a big part of what people are not aware of is that there's a lot of tools that can help you, but it's finding the right ones for you.

And so through that journey, it really helped me realize the benefit of health and having my son and realizing that I need to be fit for him.

I need to be able to, you know, change his tires, fuel his car because he's also a racer.

He's 8 years old and he's got a race coming up here in two weeks.

So you know, mama's pit crew.

So that means that I have to be able to, you know, support him.

And you know, everybody's like, oh, I would die for my kid, right?

Or I would die for my husband or my family.

But are you willing to be healthy and to live for them?

Because that's a lot harder to do at the end of the day is to sit and be very self critical in a productive way.

You know, not beating yourself up, not sitting there and, you know, talking badly about yourself, but going, okay, how can I be better?

And that was one thing that was really hard for me and is still hard for me to overcome.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I don't have days where I find every imperfection when I look in the mirror, I absolutely do.

But at the same time, I also know the importance of sharing that journey with people.

I know that watching those people helped me get to the point that I am today.

And I want to be sure that I can share that with other people.

So I make sure to share my workouts, my struggles, when I'm doing good, when I'm doing bad.

If somebody has, has, you know, needs help or advice or anything like that, I'm going to steer them to where I know I can.

And even though I don't know everything, I'm not a personal trainer.

I'm not definitely not trained in that side of things.

I've learned a lot in my own journey.

And you know, for me, being physically fit isn't just about how I look, but so much how I feel in my body.

Can I do all the things that I want to do?

Because I can tell you, running into a gravel trap, trying to get to an upside down race car is not the easiest thing to do when you're 60, 70 pounds overweight.

And so just being able to, you know, be comfortable in my body and know that it's going to support me and all the things that I want to do is a huge part of, you know, why I take my fitness so seriously.

You know, because whether it's supporting my son and his racing or being able to get to an emergency, or just knowing that I am showing up every day for myself, it's one of those things that I think, you know, takes a lot of introspection, and some days are easier than others, but at the end of the day, you're only going to be benefiting yourself by spending that time and making it happen.

And it's never easy.

If it was easy, then we would all look like supermodels or football players or soccer players, but, you know, we're not.

Everybody's different.

And so finding what works good for you.

Me, if I'm running from something, if I'm running at all, I'm running from something.

I'm not a runner, but I will lift all day long.

So finding whatever it is that brings you joy, that allows you to be fit.

You know, some people is playing soccer, some people it's, you know, going for a walk.

Whatever it is, I think, you know, there's not a one size fits all.

And as long as you can find a way to take care of yourself, then you're doing it, and that's what's most important.

Nice.

And thanks.

Thanks for sharing all that.

You know, it's.

It's so awesome to see you going through this and, and where you've been and obviously visualizing medicine that for racing, getting your cameraman involved, because you always need an assistant, and that's something we do as corpsman.

We train our Marines to be our assistants, too, because they are the ones that are going to need that assistance.

It's first aid, buddy aid, you know, self aid.

And then it's time to call the corpsman.

So you get all these things.

It's such an important part.

Start.

What are you going to do for the next?

I mean, what do you see yourself doing in the future?

Do you see yourself doing this for, for a long period of time, or are you going to train others to be, you know, this racing medicine, this whole cool thing.

You've made huge aspects in your, in your health and, and everything.

It's such an inspiration to see that.

But talk about what you're going to do and and are you training others to be flight nurses and other medics?

Yeah, I get, I'm blessed to work in the field, that I am, and that I have a lot of opportunities to train and teach.

You know, I still work with a lot of off road teams to get them ready for Baja and out of country racing, you know, so one of the things that I do is medical logistics where I help teams prep for the medical side of things, which has for a long time gone largely unnoticed.

So I work with those teams in ensuring that they're, you know, what medical team members they have going are prepared, what that looks like, what to bring in a bag, what not to bring into a bag.

A concept that is very difficult for a lot of first time Baja medical professionals, whether they're medics, firefighters, doctors, nurses.

Is that there is not backup coming to help you.

You're on your own.

No one is coming.

It's up to us.

We have that banner at Warrior built.

We have that 30 seconds out company that makes these cool banners.

Yeah, no one's coming.

It's up to us.

Exactly.

And so, you know, I always tell them, I said, you pack your bag on what you're willing to do by yourself for two hours minimum.

Because the reality is, is most wrecks, most scenarios are going to be two hours by ground to the next pit crew or to the next support service.

And that doesn't mean that it's even a real support service that just might be somebody in a chase truck.

And that's a very difficult thing for a lot of medical professionals to grasp because they're used to working in teams, they're used to working with backup, they're used to working with somebody's coming.

And so having them realize that a big part of what you do is, is going to be, can I, can I do this for two hours minimum?

You know, can I intubate and bag somebody for two hours?

Can I stop bleeding for two hours?

Can I, what can I do for two hours by myself?

Myself?

Because that was kind of the time threshold that I found with any portion of Baja in particular, because that's where I'm Most familiar is 2 hours is going to be a standard time for a vehicle to get to you and to provide that backup.

And then it might be another three hours to a clinic if you're lucky, or maybe there's a hospital within four hours.

And so you really have to look at it in a much different perspective almost in a military or a combat perspective.

You know, you might get lucky in that some of these aircraft are going to be in the area and be able to land and help you.

But that's not always the case and it's not something you can count on.

So a big part of what I do now is ensuring that people come home.

And by doing that, kind of just conversationally, anecdotally, this is what I've done in the past.

This is what I bring with me.

You know, you bring what you are comfortable with because you are, you know, potentially working out of liability, out of scope, out of country.

But you have to be prepared for that if that's the role that you are choosing to walk into.

And then the other thing that I do is I set most teams up that come to me with a repatriation plan so that if they get to a clinic, we can fly them back to the States emergently.

And then I also set up a logistics of the track itself.

So from this race mile to this race mile, if something happens, you're going to go to this clinic for anything that involves this or you're going to drive to this hospital for anything that involves that, that and then that way that gets put in the pit books and they have at least a better idea as to, you know, what the plan of attack needs to be when that worst case scenario happens.

You know, for me just learning motorsports, I take every opportunity I get to, to really learn more about it.

You know, there's some really cool things coming out as far as impacts and G forces and brain injuries, which is something that we see very familiar with with, you know, combat veterans and, and how that impacts decision making, how that impacts long term survival rates, depression, anxiety, things like that.

So just learning a lot more about that, you know, traumatic brain injury aspect of racing has been very interesting and something that, you know, I'm very passionate about sharing and, and bringing awareness to as well.

And you know, as we learn more in, in the motorsports world through different impacts and working with different teams and different engineers, it really has given us the opportunity to learn more and more and more about how those different injuries impact the brain as well as the body, whether that's dehydration, spinal cord injuries, even musculoskeletal injuries.

It really is a very unique opportunity that we can learn from and take to different avenues outside of racing.

Right, well, thanks a lot for sharing all this stuff.

If you, do you have any last words from you and a shout out to Brad real quick, I just want to put that out there again.

And all of our listeners, thanks a lot for making that it's always good to see Brad fight on deck.

I'm gonna get you on the show here pretty soon.

Combat Purple Heart recipient as well.

But, you know, if anybody wants any last words from you, how they could get a hold of you, and I want to reiterate, you could get a hold of her through me if that's the case.

Case.

But, you know, I want to also say you can always come back on the show for any given time.

I put these 10 minute segments out so that if there's some race you want to talk about, some event that's coming up, something that you want to promote, and, you know, I know you touched very lightly on cancer.

Thanks for, you know, surviving that and, and, and being who you are today, you're still just getting it, getting it done, and it's, it's amazing to see that.

So I just want to highlight that for a second.

Jb, you got anything to say to her before she says any last words?

It's so amazing how we've come a long ways from the early days.

You know, I used to run a motor lifeboat off the Oregon coast.

And, you know, some of the things that we had to deal with in those days, and, you know, we run bigger boats, faster boats, better boats.

You know, the aircraft's better.

I mean, all we can do is sharpen our skills and try and deal with what we have to deal with.

But, you know, it's always great to have the tools.

You know, I, I live by a, by a saying every day.

It's okay to lose.

Don't lose the lesson.

You know, and as long as you're learning lessons in life, you'll be smarter, faster, and better, you know, and that's, that's what you need, especially in this kind of rescue operation.

So, you know, my hat's off to you.

It's, you know, I, you know, I, I'm on the other side of the foot.

I wanted to rescue people, not fight with people.

So.

And that's what I did.

So.

But that's my choice, you know, and, but you taking on rescuing drivers and people that are out there trying to have fun and trying to excel at what they love and hurt themselves.

I mean, that's wonderful.

We appreciate you, Jesse.

It was a great story.

Really great.

Thank you.

It was a pleasure to be on and kind of along your line.

A running line that our team always uses is fail fast.

It's okay to fail, but you learn and you get back up and you better do it fast, fast.

So that is very similar motto that we stand by is it's okay to fail, but fail fast.

So it's, it was a pleasure talking with everybody.

I'm available on social media.

You can message me on, on any one of those.

And I think that got put.

Chief got those put up.

But you can also get, get a hold of me through him if you have questions.

And just, you know, it was a pleasure talking to everybody today and, and getting to share some of my stories and experiences and, and it was an absolutely blast.

Absolutely in a blast.

Well, thanks, Jesse.

Our hats are off to you and keep doing what you're doing.

Okay, Deal.

We need you.

All right.

Nice.

Hey, jb, Good to see you.

I mean, we got a lot of lot to talk about.

And then we'll break into your, your, your, your kitchen, Chef JB's kitchen, and talk about that for a minute.

And obviously we talked about it a little bit.

You know, with all the cooking you did that, this and the adventure of getting the smoker up to the, the canyon and everything.

I mean, we always have some good adventures.

And there's some tires involved and some axles involved and all kinds of amazing stories.

You know, it's like every time we touch the big smoker, we have a big, about a 4, 000 pound smoker.

It's on a trailer and you could.

Feed 5, 000 people a day.

Yeah.

5,000 Off of it if I had to.

And, and every time we go to move it someplace, we end up with an adventure.

So.

Yeah.

But what do you, what, what do you recommend?

I mean, what do you got going on this week that was super cool?

Obviously the 4th of July, 250th year anniversary and I, that's what's on my hat.

Yeah.

Shirt.

I just want to celebrate that for a little bit longer.

Yes.

Talk about, talk about your week, jb.

Well, you know, we, we did the Fourth of July.

We did it up in Cold Creek, which is about 55 miles from Las Vegas.

It's up in the hills in the foothills of Mount Charleston.

So one, it's about, it was 82 degrees that day with a five mile an hour breeze, which is most wonderful, especially when we're living in 106 in Las Vegas.

That's like a 30 degree temperature change, which is really wonderful when you're cooking.

And we smoked lobster tails, we smoked some shrimp, we smoked some walleye pike, we fried some alligator tail.

We, we, you know, did a seafood boil on the, on the king crab legs.

Just had a great time, did some cajun fish and just people brought stuff.

We had about, about a hundred people come and go throughout the day.

Everybody's celebrating, everybody having a good time.

You know, it was, it was, this is my fifth year doing this and, and it's absolutely wonderful.

You know, I mean it's like I get to celebrate the birth of our nation and our country.

And you know, Jim Litner is one of the founders of the Veterans Transition Resource center that you're at and working out of and, and, and he was.

On the podcast about four weeks ago.

Yeah.

And I couldn't get to the shop in time to do the show, so I had to come home.

I have set up here and Today I have Dr. Annie from UNLV's Wellness center and she's a health doctor and does health and wellness for unlv.

Works with the school there, the physician school, the doctor's school and the dentist.

They're starting to, starting to realize that, you know, to be optimal as a doctor or a dentist and doing that, they have to be in good shape also.

Like, you know what Jesse was saying, you know, she has to be somewhat at a peak performance, especially what her job curtails.

And so Dr. Annie, you know, works with, with the blooming bistro for St. Jude's Ranch.

I do workforce development for 18 to 22 year old kids that are on, still on foster care.

They're on adult foster care and before at when they were 22 and off the foster care program, adult foster care, they just go back to being homeless.

You know, they were never trained to do anything.

You know, it wasn't like we now realize that we have to train them at least workforce development.

Like we work with the state of Nevada and we're not talking they have to be in a restaurant setting, but we're teaching them.

You know, this is how you need to get dressed.

It's sort of like the military in boot camp.

You know, you, you got to get dressed every day, you got a shower every day, you got to show up and suit up and, and you got to be available, you know, and those are the things that we start to teach them.

And then, you know, through the state of Nevada, we, we actually interview them.

Mock interviews, we set up job fairs for them with like Caesars International.

They, some of the managers come out and interview them.

Besides the mock interviews, they get some resumes built form by Nevada state unemployment.

Some of the people come out and talk with them about what's good on a resume, what people are looking for, managers and such.

So it's giving them a leg up, you know, and that's.

It's about, like I said, suiting up and showing up, but also having the tools to go out to the workforce in today's market, you know, and that's what's important.

And, you know, I get to be a part of that.

You know, because of my years in the restaurant business and.

And hospitality business on a lot of different levels, I've been able to set standards, build systems, you know, front of the house, back of the house, teaching syllabuses to what they actually need and what they're going to use in, you know, probably starter positions, you know, in the food and beverage industry or hospitality industry.

Doesn't mean they got to stay there.

I mean, you know, we have people working as, you know, marketing.

We have people working in other aspects, you know, office employment.

It's kind of like they start here and then they move forward, and that's really good.

And a lot of our early students were high school kids that were kicked out of high school and then went to Mission High School, which is a very exclusive high school, about 20 students.

And, you know, they have to stay clean and sober.

They have to, you know, go to meetings, they have to go to work when we schedule them, they have to come to school, they get graduated, they actually get a diploma, you know, and before, what chance they had to do any of that was pretty small, pretty, you know, people.

I mean, it wasn't like we weren't paying attention.

It was just.

Just nobody was focusing on that.

And in law, the focus has always been the medical care, the foster, you know, fostering care and just making sure they.

They make it to 18.

But.

Yeah, 18 now.

Yeah, yeah.

And now it's 22.

But if.

If you don't have any of these skills that Chef's talking about, you know, that they're.

They don't put a big importance on, you know, know, being disciplined enough in your life to get a shower, brush your teeth, do these simple things.

How can you expect them to be responsible in the job world?

And Chef's got this, you know, great program going on.

It's not just for them, you know, it's.

It's.

It's.

It's also, you know, for society.

It helps society out in so many different ways.

And, you know, Chef has incorporated me in there sometimes.

And, you know, I get my eyes open to, you know, take these guys, you know, not.

They don't have driver's licenses, so it's kind of hard to.

To navigate some of their Their, their, their transportation, their logistics.

I mean, there's just so many things to it.

You know, riding a bus properly to get to work on time versus, you know, there's just a lot of things that Chef is putting in there.

Schedule yourself and be responsible.

Coordinate.

Yeah.

And you know, today with communication the way it is, you know, the first thing you got to do is take away their phone, which they don't like, you know, but it's like if they go to a job, they can't, can't be on their phone while they're at their job.

It's like they're getting paid, you know, so.

But it's a learning process and, and you know, it's, we do a lot of things for like United Way and other non profits that we're working with churches and, and Chef, if I, if.

I can, you know, the Blooming Bistro is what is, is the work, work environment for these guys and that is giving them that place and it's, it's a great place to have lunch, but it also caters and that's why you're talking about the United Way.

You catered to them a couple weeks ago.

Yeah.

You also did a retirement.

You did so many, you know, so many other things.

Yeah, capability out of that.

Yeah, These were people that interacted with, with the Blooming Bistro since its beginning and we've done box launchers for them and now we're kind of branching out a little bit, doing charcuterie boards and thing in our catering program, but obviously,.

Obviously, obviously sponsoring the Blooming Bistro and the students that are coming out of St. Jude's to learn from that.

Such a cool thing.

And thanks to United Way and all.

That, if you're in Las Vegas, it's 860 South Rancho off of Charleston and Rancho down in the University Medical center down there in Smith's parking lot.

And we're open Wednesday, Thursday and Friday right now from 11 to 6 and everything.

You know, you just keep taking it one day at a time.

And, and you know, I work with the veterans, I work with the chefs, I work with St. Jude's Ranch now.

And then I have, you know, a spice line that I do and you know, eventually I might put a school together.

Who knows, God's got the master plan.

I just, you've already, you've already been in, in the schools and you know, these schools, but you're talking about another one.

Chef is never done.

You know, that's what's, that's what's motivating about you Chef, thanks a lot for, for, you know, motivating me to be here at the vtrc, you know, veterans, you know, Veteran Transition Resource Center.

Obviously, being a resource center, there's so many resources, so many passions that people have.

What is yours out there?

And chefs is always, you know, helping these crazy situations.

And I, I say that because I've seen him work before and the guys.

Yeah.

And this week has been a good week.

I got a call from one of the new chefs like that graduated from the culinary program at CSN and he's 100 disabled, he has a therapy dog and stuff.

But one of the guys in, in Munitions, he was a 20 year retiree Marine and his house burned down in, in Peram and he's got a wife and a couple of kids.

So Adam called me, me and said, you know, this guy needs some help.

You know, he's, he's been, I mean, you talk about night and day.

I mean, one day.

Yeah, you can, you can see, you can see that on.

Yeah, you can see that on my social media.

I actually shared that through the network that, you know, it's being put out there.

You know, he's a 20, 20 year Air Force vet, if I'm not mistaken.

No, this guy was a Marine.

That might be a nice.

Another one.

Yeah, his name was Jacob Pernell.

Okay.

Pinell.

And I called a couple of friends that I work with in, in that own, you know, realty company and they have some rental property out there.

They said they'd give them a call and I gave them their number.

So I think we're going to get him set up.

Okay.

I mean, you know, you never know what we can do in the VTRC until you call us and ask us if you, if you need some needs for not just veterans, but their spouses, their family.

You know, I put a couple of kids into, into apprenticeship programs that are, are children of, of long term vets.

So, you know, it's just, just, you never know what we can do.

I touch a lot of people's lives and they touch mine.

So it's about networking, you know, that you got words, you got.

Yeah, it's all part, you know, it's all.

It gets right.

It gets right wrapped up into the vtrc.

So the Veterans Transition Resource center.

Obviously my resources become that resources that.

Your resources that I know about become that and other people's and, and so on and so forth.

Forth.

Yeah.

Jeff, you got any last words?

Jesse's on.

So it's like, you know, we keep.

And every week we get somebody new on the, you know, new family, you know, it's great.

It's happening.

Exactly.

And.

And that's kind of what keeps us going.

So tomorrow I'm headed to.

To Oxnard, California, just above Malibu, and I'm gonna go down and.

And.

And the spice plant, pick up some more spices, my tri tip and my barbecue rub and.

And some barbecue sauce that they make for me.

And we'll have those at.

At the Blooming Bistro now, so we'll have an outlet form, and all the proceeds go to St. Jude's ranch.

Nice.

Well, thanks a lot, Chef.

Yeah.

Hey, we're gonna get Brian Colburn on here to do Feed Drops, and every, you know, every week, I talk about it.

Feed.

Feed Drops is a live version of, you know, criticizing positively or negatively, you know, the podcast and seeing where it's going and seeing where we can go into making improvements.

And if you look it up on online feed, Drops is also, you know, taking live.

Live podcast and giving them that same critique, and it's great.

Brian, how you doing, brother?

United States Marine Corps on deck.

Thank you.

Here with.

With me here in the vtrc.

I am.

Yes, Chef.

Yeah, awesome job, man.

It was good to see you this weekend at the barbecue.

Yeah, I'm getting to see you quite a bit now.

You know, for some reason, that.

That smoker looked absolutely amazing.

I hope to see more of it and what comes off of it, but awesome to see you.

And driving that hill to the location.

I can only imagine what it took to limp that.

That smoker up that hill.

We didn't limp this.

We had a backhoe pick up the back of this, we left it on the track, and we went four miles an hour for two and a half miles.

Miles.

Yeah.

In my world, we call that limping.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was quite.

It was quite a trick, but we made it happen, too.

Too funny.

It became a military rescue mission.

Yeah, there you go.

Absolutely.

But.

But you know what?

That speaks volumes to the military mind.

It's like, we have a mission.

It's not, oh, we're stuck.

We can't do this.

It's.

No, this thing has to be in this location at this time.

What do we have to do to get it?

There's there, and that's just how we stay focused and.

And we accomplish everything we need to accomplish in life.

So it's.

It's awesome to see that still play out so many years after we've left, you know, put the uniform away.

Awesome.

Hey, today's show, I. I had the Fortunate.

Pleasure to meet Chris and interact with him a few times when I was working with the Warrior Belt foundation with a photography program.

And that to.

To hear Jesse's story and the situation from her point of view was.

Was awesome.

So kind of a cool story.

I did drop the link to the tribute video on YouTube on Warrior builds channel in the chat.

It is on Facebook, LinkedIn, and YouTube.

So if you haven't seen it, take.

Take a look.

He was an incredible guy.

And as far as today's show, one question at a time, man.

Chief, you were fired two or three questions, and the issue is you want them all answered, right?

But now we're giving control to the guest to answer which ones they want to answer, and it's easy to forget ones they don't want to answer.

And it's also easy for them to rearrange which question they answer, but that might screw up the storyline you're trying to paint.

So.

And I know it's like these things are all in our head, but that's where those bullet points.

Points come in.

And.

Or if it's something on the fly, just make a quick note, you know, and then you can incorporate that into that bullet list so we don't miss something we want the audience to hear,.

Which is very cool.

And Chef, man, it was awesome to see you come in and adjust your camera angle and zoom in a bit.

That was perfect.

I loved it.

My.

My little remote ran out of battery power.

That's all right.

Right?

That's all right.

You handle it.

But, hey, you got it.

You got it squared away before it did because it's perfect.

Yeah.

And FedEx comes right in the middle of the show, rings the doorbell, you know?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And those are some pretty sexy shorts you're sporting.

Their Chef.

Yeah.

You can't see shorts.

Oh, yeah, I got up.

You got up and walked away.

I'm like, oh, let me pull him down.

Yeah, too funny.

But you know what?

And that's the beauty of live, man.

It's like so many podcasters take themselves so seriously, and when it's live, you can't help but to chuckle, if not laugh at yourself from time to time.

Oh, yeah, it's just.

It's real.

This is real life.

And these are real guys trying to help tell a real story and share awesome information that are going on with local youth here in Las Vegas.

And.

And it's.

It's phenomenal.

You know, it's really cool to see, but you guys did a great job today.

Great story.

It was awesome.

To hear Jesse's side of the.

Side of the story.

And very.

I mean, Chief, you were the one that called me and told me, and, you know, it.

It hit me, you know, and I didn't serve with Chris.

I only interacted with him a few times, but we spent some time together, and yeah, just good to.

It kind of brought some closure, you know, because I heard it from you, I heard it from the warrior build.

I watched the tribute video, but now I got to hear her side, which was really cool, man.

So great, great episode, great guest.

Keep crushing, boys.

It is.

They had him stabilized for a little bit, so, you know.

You know, probably in the old days, he would have laid out in the desert.

Desert, so to speak.

And I don't want to say that, but, you know, that'd be a. I wouldn't even like to think of that.

You know, I used to wake up sometimes thinking about, you know, drowning in the ocean all by myself, you know, it's just what it is, you know?

Right.

But good job, boys.

We'll see you next week.

Hey, Brian, thanks a lot.

Hey, the critique is awesome.

Thanks for.

Thanks for really, you know, sending it out there.

You know, I need to slow down my questions and.

Hey, it's great.

You know, this is.

This is how cool it is to get live critique to better this show and to.

To.

If you're a podcaster, it's going to better your show if you're paying attention to some of the things Brian says.

And, you know, you check out that feed drops, and this is being feed dropped right here live for you, you.

And.

And Chef, thanks for being here with me all the time and making this happen with us, brother.

It's so, so great.

It is good.

Any last words from you, Chef?

I love you, man.

And I love Brian.

It was good to have him around now, so maybe we'll be able to incorporate him in some more things.

I'll keep you busy, Brian.

Don't worry.

All right.

Hey, I just want to say thanks to the vtrc, the Warrior Bill foundation, and, you know, just to put it out there, Jesse is sponsored and supported by Red Bull.

The Warrior Belt foundation is sponsored by Monster Energy.

So I just want to say that that's one of our biggest sponsors, so it's great to have that.

And I want to say thanks to the PTSD foundation of America for having the warrior groups.

I do three of them a week, so.

So if you need a warrior group for you, just some camaraderie, some good stuff Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, hit me up and we'll, we'll get you on that in, in one of those groups.

And the other thing, you know, Recon Chief incorporated and all the other non profits that I'm lucky enough to be part of and doing some stuff with, even though you're not here.

Qrf.com I just talked to you guys yesterday and qrfup.com and check that out.

It's such a great piece to be involved in.

And that's another racing category as well, with all kinds of other things.

Part of that, that and Brian Colburn, sitchradio.com for putting the show out and Chef JB Brown for making this happening thing through the VTRC.

Chef, you got anything else?

Nope.

That's it.

Have a great day and bon appetit.

Until next time.

Strength and honor out the only way and we need nothing more.

The only way to get forever, that's for sure.