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Dear listener, the iron fist and the velvet glove podcast episode 334.

I have caused him Trevor AKA, the iron fist with me as always thankfully,

on this occasion, especially Joe in capitals, the tech guy.

Hi Joe.

Hey evening, is Steve listener.

It nearly didn't happen on here.

Ensconced in a unit at a cooling Gatter, went through all the techie earlier today.

It was all going well, even hooked up a television to be my second monitor.

And then I went to use the whole damn thing, get a going about three

quarters of an hour ago and just could not get this microphone to work.

It was all hooked up.

It should work unplugging, replugging, turning things off, updating drivers,

and then eventually got onto Joe.

He suggested that.

Well, what's the first thing you would suggest to somebody to reboot.

Yep.

And then a few other things and then just swap the microphone USB into a

different USB port and that solved it.

So here we are, it almost didn't happen.

So if you're in the chat room, say, hello, it's a strange time

to be doing a live podcast.

I know, but Matthew and Greg are in the chat room and I

mean, it's Easter Thursday.

What are Joe, can you think of a better way to celebrate the resurrection?

Well, I, I thought we were going to have Matthew mark,

Luke and John in the chat room.

Yes, indeed.

Yeah.

So if you're in the chat room, say hello sort of threw this on at the last minute.

And Shay probably didn't even see my messages.

Sorry, Shea.

But Shay was invited and unlike two.

Old guys.

Who've got nothing better to do on Easter Thursday.

Shay's probably out on the town with friends having a good time,

rather than sitting in front of a computer doing what we're about to do.

So so anyway, we'll try and keep you entertained.

I mean, what's Joe, like you remember as a kid at Easter time with the TV, it

was just reruns of Ben Hur and the robe.

That was all it was on.

That's probably all it's on tonight.

Oh, I dunno.

I'm watching the live stream of the Johnny Depp, Amber Hood case.

That's been quite amusing.

Okay.

So it's live streaming from America, UK where they east,

east coast of the U S I K.

So this is last nights or mornings?

No, it's a local case.

Ah, okay, rolling.

Sorry.

That's sorted out the dogs, he gets boom.

And the other one by now.

I think she's got both of them.

I just a life.

Yep.

There's a few years ago.

Wasn't it?

Six years ago.

It was a while ago.

How, how long?

How long do little dogs last?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, Barnaby was sober enough to threaten them at that time.

I don't think he could do it today.

So.

All right.

Hey, what are we gonna talk about?

Well, we gotta talk about this election happen, but if I was to leave it

another week, because I think next week, I think I'm going to have

cam and and he and Harrison talking about Jesus and whether he really is.

And provided Easter, hasn't mucked up everything, then that's what will be on.

So I figured I couldn't wait then another week before we started talking

about this election and what's going on.

And so I thought we'd give it a crack and we'll talk about it.

So, so if you're in the chat room, feel free to make some comments.

We'll probably have time to get through them because it's just going to be

that sort of a podcast, I think so.

Oh, and I've got a lot of clips as well.

I've been mucking around with restream, they've got lots of

stuff for us in terms of clips.

So hopefully the audio works just as well.

If you end up listening just onto the audio, but this might be one

where if you've never watched the the YouTube or the Facebook video, then

this might be one that's worth doing.

So anyway Joe, do you want to kick off with any first impressions

of this election so far, or just run into it, getting off your

chest as somebody has noted.

Labor are cowtowing to the Murdoch press and they shouldn't because the

murder press really don't give a staff.

They're never going to win them over.

So they might as well go hard and just tell Murdoch to go, we and get bender.

It's like, they're in an abusive relationship.

It is where they keep thinking it's their fault.

And if they just do something right, then they'll be nice to them.

They they've almost, it seems like they've reached that point.

Haven't they?

Yeah.

The rest of Australia is saying you've got to leave, give up.

There's no hype.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So now I'm finding the whole election so far to be just a very interesting

exercise in how our media is working really how it's not working, essentially.

It's just a demonstration of it.

So.

So let's run through what sort of happened in the last week

and we'll do it via some clips.

So Scott Morrison kicked off with his campaign with, with his

video of why I love Australia.

Did you see that one, Jane?

No, I'm pleased to say I haven't.

Well, you're about to sit back and relax.

You always have setbacks or you always have imperfect information.

I mean, And they've been really tough.

There's drought, there's floods, there's fire there's pandemic.

There is now war.

We're dealing with a world that is, has never been more unstable since

the time of the second world war.

We're dealing with an economy which has more moving parts and more risks,

but indeed many, many opportunities that we have to see 40,000 people

are alive in Australia died because of the way we manage the pandemic.

700,000 people still have jobs and, and countless numbers of businesses

that would have been destroyed.

This is why as we go to this next level, What's firing me up.

We're actually in a really strong position.

I was at a trade school the other day in Brisbane, year 11 and 12.

I asked them, I said, how many of you are going to start your own business

more than half of their hands when

Australia

let's rise S Morrison liberal Canberra.

Sorry.

I should've warned you to have a bucket handy.

And the audio is impressive.

Yes.

Very smooth look, a couple of things from that.

The things that they claim as their greatest achievements or

the things they don't control.

Well, that had nothing to do with.

But also I noticed he said, you know, there's drought,

there's floods, there's fire.

And I'm thinking, Hmm, maybe something's due.

The climate is causing that.

That's a time of great instability.

No Scotty.

It's not the end times.

It's fucking climate change.

Yep.

This is the shamelessness of these guys, like given what he did during

the fires, he should be embarrassed to talk about them and mentioned them.

Gosh, I think he doesn't hold the hose.

So obviously he's not responsible for yeah.

So you, if you only listening to the audio on the vision there,

heart of the clip showed his left hand with his wedding ring.

Did you notice that at all?

The dead, but I wasn't paying attention.

Yes.

Just a nod to family values of Scott Morrison, just loitering over his

hand and his wedding ring, because of course Albany's, he's not married.

So he wouldn't be able to do that.

The other one thing, right at the end where he said, we wouldn't be

caught in the prayer room either.

No.

The other thing he said was you know, I went to a school

and you know, what was it?

Nearly 50% of kids are gonna have their own business.

I don't see.

I is that suppose something was supposed to say, they're going to

scrape as an independent contractor being a Sabi that's right.

Because they can't get a job.

I have to be an independent subcontractor to somebody.

Cause I can't be employed on a proper wage or, you know, I spend a lot

of time trying to convince people don't start a small business because

a small business is really tough.

And as the world gets more complex it's, it's a world with big business wins

and big business has exclusive deals.

Big business has monopolies.

If you are a small business, you are just locked into a price war with every other

small business, doing what you're doing.

It's very hard to be unique and to get particular it's very hard to

build a moat around your business and stop people copying you.

So Coca Cola can stop people from copying it.

They've got to spend a lot of money to be a new entrant into the soft drink market.

I mean, red bull did it, but they spent a lot of money.

But you know, you open up a coffee shop.

Somebody else can open one up right beside you.

It's very, very difficult in small business and we.

Want a nation of small business, because all they can do is, is low value stuff.

What we actually want is large industrial businesses that gain expertise and, and

can make something and can create a niche and, and create a market for themselves.

So this whole mantra of isn't that great.

There's going to be these people in small business.

I just think the poor buggers are going to be locked into a small business of a shop

or a or something where we did say yes.

Yes.

But so as a, as an independent contractor on a business side, you've got all

the risks of running a business.

None of the benefits of job seekers.

Yeah, it's tough.

Small business is tough.

So so yeah that was my first impressions of that very smooth of course, and just

willing to cross over all of his mistakes.

And also, you know taking claiming the 40,000 people saved from COVID.

It was the state governments that introduced the lockdowns

that he refused to introduce.

Indeed.

Yes.

So again, the greatest achievements are the things that are going in control.

So yeah.

Julia said Morrison's voice artificially lowered.

He's won me over swimming.

Julie.

You've been on fire on Twitter, by the way.

You really, you know, you've, you've got to come on this podcast at some stage.

Julia, we'll get you on at some stage.

It sounds like you've got a lot to get off your chest.

So so you've been on fire on Twitter.

I've been seeing you there.

So yeah, so that was Morrison.

And let me just see it, the other comments.

Yeah, actually Matthew said he also noticed a difference in

his voice, you know, Morrison.

When you watch him at a lectern, he is channeling every Pentecostal minister

he listened to in his lifetime.

That's what he's doing.

He's, he's being Mr.

Fatherly advice at the lectern giving a Pentecostal sermon.

That's that's the, the role that he slips into in those situations.

And, you know, in the same way that the Pentecostal preacher doesn't get

questioned he doesn't expect hard questions either and frogs in them off.

So so yeah, when I see him up at a lectern, I see I see a Pentecostal

minister jabbering away, so, so so that was his kickoff and labor in return.

What was, what was labor's response?

I'll play that one.

And there's drought, there's floods, there's fire.

There's pandemic.

It's not a race.

It's not a competition.

That's not my job.

That's not my job.

So my job to do that with the recipe, Erickson, Australian

labor party Cambra sums it up.

Really.

It does probably a smart move for the labor party ed to

be showing Scott Morrison.

But really you couldn't get Albo to say something to camera, to just, you know,

you're spending money on advertising and you're giving people more of Scott

Morrison really couldn't have, couldn't have got alibi to do something to camera

and something more context, brilliant quote, which was oh, the, the, the media

are complaining that elbows and unknown quantity, given that he's been in.

Parliament since whenever it was the late nineties, early nineties, yes.

Said if he's an unknown quantity, that's because the press

have given him zero coverage.

Yes.

And when you're going to pay for an ad, what do you do?

You put Morrison in it as you're out?

I don't know that that was the smartest move.

So this of course was all overtaken fairly quickly on day one by the gotcha.

Where the journalist asked him.

If he could say off the top of his head, the cash rate and the reserve bank cash

rate, and then another journalist asked.

Yes.

That's what we're asking the unemployment rate.

Yeah.

I mean, everybody's probably seen it, but just for completeness and I think,

cause I've got it here somewhere.

Let me just Let me just see if I've got that one here.

Actually this will be a new one.

It will do it this I'll bet.

I didn't know.

It's coming up there with me

and here we go.

It's on the economy.

We know that that's going to be a key focus for Australians when you know

we're coming out of this pandemic.

Can I ask you mentioned the reserve bank earlier.

Do you know the official cash rate off the top of your head?

Oh, look wait.

We can do the old Q and I stuff.

I bet.

50 different, 50, 50 different figures.

The truth is that what they have said the reserve bank is that over, over the coming

period the reserve bank have said that there'll be multiple links, just writing.

Regardless of who's in government, regardless of who's in government.

What's the national unemployment, right.

National unemployment rate at the moment is I think it's 5.4, sorry.

I'm not sure where it is.

Yeah.

You know, his problem is he actually knows shame.

He was feeling some shame at not knowing a figure.

This is the beauty of Morrison.

Who's shameless, who blusters on and just doesn't care.

It's Alvin Easy's prob problem was that he actually cared a little

bit that, that he didn't know it.

Are you surprised that he didn't at least know the unemployment figure?

I mean, I think he has other things to worry about.

Yeah.

And I think his correct answer was no, I don't know.

I leave that to the accountants to deal with.

My job is setting policy.

Yes.

It would've been nice if he'd had some practice with these things.

Yes.

I don't know what they do, but surely they must practice press conferences.

What do you do when you get a question?

You don't know what, what the price of bread or the price of milk or something.

Like, I just, it just seemed to be a lack of preparation, not so much

in memorizing the various economic statistics, but just preparation for

dealing with the press conference.

He sort of looked quite rusty for somebody who, and sort of

unskilled being in front of cameras.

No, seems to be the case.

Doesn't it?

So of course the thing about it is that they ask about the the cash rate.

Lots of people later on said, oh, the cash rate was 0.1 of a percent or whatever.

But it's actually the case that, well, we'll talk about later, but

there's a target cash rate and there's a cash rate and the cash

rate varies can vary every night.

It's not actually set.

So so the, the actual question was a dud question because it should

have been what's the target catch rates set by the reserve bank.

Otherwise you, unless you checked every morning, you wouldn't know what the cash

rate real was from the previous evening.

So, and lots of people sort of didn't understand that.

So so but so that was, you know, and that's completely dominated the headlines,

of course, in all of the Murdoch papers and also the ABC, all of the ABC indeed.

So it's dominated everything.

For such a small thing, the Murdoch papers obviously just loved it.

Couldn't get enough of it.

And I'm going to talk about the ABC and their involvement.

But we then, you know, came to the greens leader, Adam Bandt and and

he was asked a question, let me just find, or just bring this one up.

So he was at a press conference just yesterday.

I think it was.

And another gotcha call.

So really I got your question is really a question where the journalist is

asking something where the journalist isn't actually seeking the answer,

but trying to sort of expose that the question, you know, doesn't know something

that they, that they should know.

So this was Adam banned at the national press club for the greens.

So.

And just very quickly talking about object, backtracking exercises.

You said in the speech that wages growth, wasn't going particularly well.

What's the current WPI.

Google at night.

I mean, I am, I am sick.

If you want to know, if you want to know why people are turning off politics it's

because what happens when you have a, an election that increasingly becomes this

basic fact checking exercise between a government that deserves to be turfed out

and an opposition, that's got no vision.

This is what happens like elections should be.

A contest of ideas.

Politics should be about reaching for the stars and offering a better society.

And instead, and instead there's these questions that are asked about, can

you tell us this particular step, or can you tell us that particular status?

And those questions are designed to show that politicians are somehow out of touch

and not representative of everyday people?

Well, newsflash, most of the people in Canberra are on six-figure salaries, just

passing time until they go out and work for their coal and gas corporations and

get a six or seven figure lobbying job.

Do you know what would be a better way of showing?

Do you know what would be a better way of showing that politicians are in

touch with the need of everyday peoples?

It would be passing laws that lift the minimum wage.

It will be making dental and mental into Medicare.

It would be making sure that we've wiped student debt and build affordable.

And when you've got wages growing at about two and a bit percent and inflation

growing at about three and a half percent, that is part of the problem

well, that was, yeah, it was well said.

It was really well said.

He wanted a lot of people over with that speech, I think.

And it'll be interesting to see, is that an end to the, to the gotcha questions?

I mean, almost certainly no, because they have no shame either.

Yeah.

Well, you know, you could, you would have seen advisors would

probably all going, ah, that's what we should do it, trying to say it.

Yeah.

So a really good response by a perfect response.

And.

I played the whole thing because at least he then got on to talking about

some policy and, you know, we're going to talk about this during this podcast,

but it's really hard to get any policy out of what's happening in the greens.

We've got some interesting policies, so but I think core

promises or non-core promises.

That's the question?

Well, I think as far as the greens are concerned, they are let me

just try and find a, my notes here.

Ah, yeah, let me just find it here.

I've got it.

So I'll mention them now because I can remember what the 12th may and

actually, you know, what the vote compass, if you don't vote compass yet.

Hmm.

Yeah.

And I remind saying, well, Paul was heading firmly towards the greens

and he was very upset by that.

And he surprised, and he was surprised I aligned with the greens, except for

when it comes to science, interfering with environmental ism, where I

follow the sides and they follow the environmental activism GMO.

There were a couple of other things that they're very much

not following the evidence.

Right.

Yeah.

They're, they're known no to nuclear power.

I'm willing to discuss nuclear.

They're not willing to discuss nuclear.

And I think this is ideological rather than fact-based.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well you never going to agree with a party, a hundred percent

and M and G to me, they seem the sensible vote in this next election.

Vote one greens and then preference, labor, and put

liberals and nationals dead last.

Maybe some independence, depending on who they are up a bit higher.

Although with some of those independence, even though they're ex liberals who claim

to be independent, they, they have some fairly sort of strong neoliberal policies.

Still.

I, I saw I was going through the state petitions, the Queensland petitions.

And there was one guy who was after the ability to recall politicians,

which seemed a bit strange.

So I looked him up and it turns out he'd stood as an independent

start going through his bio.

And he, he claims to be very much about democracy, but all about how his Christian

values influence everything and how he thinks abortion was a wrong turn.

And I'm thinking, yeah, so independence can be theocrats.

Yeah.

Yep.

And I think they are some of these sort of ones in the

liberal electorate, Stan, south.

I've got some fairly strong liberal views as well.

So it's a liberal, safe seat.

Hmm.

They're certainly better than the LMP.

Yup.

Yup.

So the other thing is in terms of secularism and what's the other one

that labor seems to sell that, oh, just working people, working people seem to

have been totally lost by labor as well.

Yes.

That just given up the big unions.

So what's in it for the unions.

I agree.

Labor's looking out for, but the average person, I don't think.

Well, there was that review of the minimum wage, which had decided not

to go ahead with and there's no talk of any change to the taxation system.

So the, the cuts that the Morrison governments coalition governments

have proposed are all going to just keep sailing through.

So so yeah, that very disappointing on a number of levels.

It, they really are just going for, you know, we're not that dissimilar,

but we're just not Scott Morrison with with an ICAC thrombin in maybe.

I mean, when you, when you think of what are you going to get from labor that

you wouldn't have got with Morrison, it would be, hopefully they're just not as

shambolic in everyday decision making.

They can eat.

They are going to do something about climate change.

Yes.

Something about that.

I wouldn't really be relying on them a lot, but no.

And less than nothing, I think less than paying them, although they've

said they're going to keep the carbon credits or whatever it's called.

Yeah.

I, I'm not totally up to speed with that, but basically they pay people

not to pollute and it turns out that the place, so they're paying them not

to cut down forests that don't exist.

And then selling those are the cheap price to oil and gas companies

to offset their carbon emissions.

Yeah.

It's sort of a bastardization of how it was supposed to occur.

So, yes.

But I'm just going to change the screen.

I did have excellent.

I can still do it just on the greens.

So, you know, I've been watching it carefully.

What's been going on with news reports, et cetera.

And.

The only way I could find out what the, in that Adam van speech, I

thought, oh, it seems like the greens have got some interesting policies.

Just have to go into the greens website to actually look them up.

Like they you'll just never read about them in a mainstream media article scars.

No, you have to, you have to go and look for it.

So so, you know, week where it's all been about the horse race and who's winning,

who's losing without looking at the policies, just in terms of the greens.

I like these.

So put in place a new corporate super profits tax of 40% on big corporations.

Sounds good.

Introduce an annual extra 6% wealth tax on billionaires and tax.

The mega profits of big corporations earning over $100 million annually and a

crackdown on multinational tax avoidance.

And end to government handouts to billionaires and big corporations.

So let me just this screen is going to annoy me.

I'm going to shift this across to my other screen because it's

just, how are they going to get political donations if they do that?

Yeah, indeed.

Yeah.

Yes.

So good question.

The 6% tax, I like the idea of this 6% billionaires tax would

only apply to the net wealth held by Australia's billionaires.

So if you're not a billionaire, relax to stop the billionaires shifting

as it's offshore, the tax will still apply to 90% of their original wealth.

So this is just going to tax 122 Australian citizens, but it would

raise $40 billion to pay for services.

I think the hardest thing is Justifying what you're counting, you know, how

do you know what's owned by them?

It's going to be quite difficult.

Is it, is it difficult?

The Australian financial review comes out with the figure every year

for it comes out as a guesstimate.

Yep.

We have a tax office should know something about what people own.

Well, so the Panama papers and the what's there, the three leaks shows

how much money that's hidden off shore that we just don't know about.

True.

But someone like Gina Rinehart and for that matter, Clive Palmer and

forest, like the mining ones, it's pretty apparent how many shares

you've got in your mining company.

And that's the mining company on our stock exchange.

We know how much you have, and we're going to tax you 6% on your wealth.

You know, it, of course some cases will be more difficult than others, but I think

some could be surprisingly easy to, to work out how much money people have got.

So do you know, on the seven 30 report, apparently Lee sales was interviewing

him and said something to the effect of, well, isn't this a funny way of doing it?

Would it be more efficient if the billionaires could just give away

their money to charity rather than it all going through the government?

Counter-arguments if you, has she become a Neo liberal or something?

One of the arguments I've heard against it is that the gates

foundation is very very, very political in what he chooses to respond.

These boss, these billionaires are altruistic and that's great and wonderful.

Yep.

It's not necessarily going to the places where it needs to go

and the society wants it to go.

It's going to things that either bring the billionaires press or the

peaks, their personal interests.

Yeah.

Yep.

I mean, and their wealth has increased dramatically, so I'm not sure if

I'm going to have the figure here.

I actually, I do.

So just since the pandemic Gina Reinhardt's wealth has increased

from 16 billion to 36 billion just during the pandemic.

Andrew Forrest from 13 billion to 29 billion and Clive Palmer

from four and a half to 9.7.

That's not urgent.

Well, that's just gifted because we we haven't taxed these people enough.

So what about Jerry Harvey?

Yeah, I don't have the figure for Terry Harvey.

But he's actually on the Green's website.

He was using as an example, but I didn't, I didn't crab that one.

So so I mean, after all there's a lot that, that socialist cash that he

accepted quite happily and then kept, yes.

Yeah.

So he was on their list and there was a description of how much he'd

received in terms of subsidies from the government and how much tax he paid,

how much and how much had returned.

So that is on the Green's website.

If you're interested in the, in the details of, of Jerry Harvey, the, the

Clive Palmer and he spending 70 million in this election and a hundred in the law.

Yes hate now that's not altruistic.

He's got to have seen at least that value back just in terms of the policies that

the government has introduced to make it worth his while to spend that money.

Yeah.

Yep.

He clearly sees it.

So so yeah, so the greens, that's at least some policy that the only

other policy I've heard of in watching this media is really that Morrison

says he's given up on an ICAC, any basically blames labor for not agreeing

to the version that he came up with.

And labor's coming out with a policy about some emergency GP clinics that

they'll set up around the country.

And they immediately copped flack from the AMA, who said, what are you doing?

I mean, 'cause they could see them vendors having businesses affected by

some government run GP clinic set up next door to them, you know, which the AMA

as deep throat has mentioned, there's a conservative organization indeed.

And it sounded like they hadn't run anything past the AMA probably because

of a scare campaign or whatever.

But just, it was a strange policy to release.

I thought I mean, we have GP clinics.

There are some 24 hour ones around, but we have hospitals and emergency.

The idea is to take the stress off the emergency departments, right.

Because people are turning up to emergency who are not urgent cases.

And this is the problem because the gap payments, yeah.

And people are going, I can't afford that.

And so they're either hanging on and then turning up and emergency

because they haven't seen a G.

Or they're going to see emergency you for something that didn't

need to go to emergency for.

Yeah.

Are they getting those at midnight though?

When the GP isn't open, there's the idea of these 24 hour ones that people

are people going with an ingrown toenail to the emergency at one in the

morning that I just, I find that, jeez, I think that abuse of the emergency

clinic is happening while GPS are open.

So yeah, it's but the problem is the funding for GPS is the gap payments.

The Medicare funding hasn't kept pace.

And so virtually no in bulk bills anymore.

Yeah.

So put money into that.

I agree with you, the bulk bill.

That's what seemed to me to be where that money should go.

So anyway, I'll do vote compass myself in a little while.

I'm sure I'll end up somewhere down near the greens cause I did last time and

yeah, that won't surprise me a little bit.

Yeah, it did remind me how Paul was amazed that that was where he ended up.

Okay.

We were all over the shop here, so still just in terms of the media and

how it's transpired during the week.

So we had we had Morrison we had we had the GAF by Albanese and then

we've had Adam band come back and just of course, the amount of coverage

in the Murdoch papers over this has been just a deluge and meanwhile,

there's any number of errors, mistakes, horrific things happening

on the liberal national party side.

And.

Crickets, of course, people get frustrated by this, but you've got to stop thinking

of the Murdoch press as a newspaper.

You have to pick it up, look at it.

I go, oh, it's just the liberal party newsletter.

That's, that's what you're reading.

That's what you should expect to see the infuriating part about all this

Joe is, well, of course nine now and Fairfax have all leaned heavily in

the same direction now with Peter's Costello as the, as the chairman.

So let me just find here in my notes about the So this was an article I saw

from a website called captured states.

I don't know much more about it, but there's a link to it in the show notes.

Australia's media ownership is among the most concentrated in the world.

One study ranks Australia third, worst behind only the repressive

state run medias of China and Egypt.

This intense concentration means that only a few people control

the messages that reach the vast majority of Australians each day.

Long-term liberal politician, Peter Costello.

He's still actively fundraisers for the liberal party.

He chairs nine entertainment, which owns the Sydney morning.

Herald the age, Australian financial review nines, television channels,

various lifestyle websites, including pedestrian and drive and major talk

back radio stations in several states.

So the lurch or the editorial lurch of nines, newspapers towards the coalition

since Castillo assumed control in 2016 has been noticeable and concerning,

especially when it has resulted in partisan coverage of important issues.

So what people noticed for sure was the age was very anti Dan Andrews during

the pandemic and Victoria, very harsh coverage, which was in stark contrast

to what the Sydney morning Herald in how it was fawning over Gladys Berejiklian.

And it's hard heartbroken Requiem for her during a COVID-19 and ICAC journey.

So so you've just got to realize that Castello in charge of that group have,

have certainly lurched to the right.

Many former news Corp journalists have been recruited to senior

roles at the Costello's.

In recent years, the executive editor of the age and Sydney

morning Herald was James Chesil.

He's a former staffer of liberal treasurer.

Joe hockey Chesil has since been promoted to become managing

director of publishing at nine.

I mean, these people don't change their spots.

I mean, if you've been a staff or of a liberal treasurer, you're

not going to change your spots going to work somewhere else.

I haven't Perth seven west media is another major Australian media empire.

The chairman's, the company's chairperson.

Carrie Stokes has been a longterm liberal party, donor and supporter Carrie's son.

Ryan Stokes is seven west chief executive Ryan chose current liberal treasurer.

Josh Frydenberg, to be the best man at his wedding in 2016.

So that's Western Australia.

And that's, that's what that talking about news Corp, which we'll get

to now it's tabloid such as the daily Telegraph, Herald sun savagely

attacked live governments in why is that surely border on defamation?

They protect liberal leaders and regularly feature LMP puff pieces that

lay there cannot even dream of receiving.

NewsCorp, tabloids are free advertising, predicted barriers and

fears of foot soldiers, all in one.

Kevin Ronnie had that petition now, ABC and you see an article about Why the

Murdoch rags in the UK were so keen to get rid of Britain or get personality AAU.

And the answer was because the British prime minister will listen to him,

but the EU wouldn't yeah, indeed.

That's right.

Brussels will not listen to him.

So that was a big reason for him.

Yep.

So even the ABC's accused of watered down standards in recent years, prime

minister, Scott Morrison's, handpick chairperson, ITA Buttrose has hosted

liberal party fundraisers in the past.

In recent days, the ABC attracted widespread anger for platforming a

climate change denier from the Institute of public affairs on Q and a, without

booking a climate scientist to appear on the same program, leaving false balance.

Yes.

A naive idea of balance has allowed outright lies to appear

on ABC with increasing regularity.

Let's see, so Albanese small, tight.

According to this rider, Albanese small target strategy has

been a product of necessity.

The mate the media is most powerful figures are waiting with foaming

mails for Albin, easy to shout even the slightest weakness to attack.

I think this was written before the GAF over the cabaret.

Compare the media is two week long front page hysteria about Kimberly

Kitchings unfounded claims of labor bullying with the immediately suppressed

bombshell allegations of racism and fraud against Scott Morrison by Michael Toke.

Inexcusably tokes clients had not appeared on the front page of

any Murdoch or Costello newspaper friendly Jordy's no, indeed.

So.

If library's discussed in the coverage for the election coverage will largely

ignore the party's policy and focus instead on whatever Morrison has

decided are Alvin easy, supposed personal weaknesses, and Marlin's long

list of failures will be forgotten.

You did see the Australian headline with his elbow gone, or his

elbow an early onset Joe Biden.

Yes, I did see that.

Yes.

Yep.

I mean, we shouldn't be shocked.

It shouldn't be, but it's just so blatant that you still a shot.

Even after all these years of witnessing it, predicting it, knowing it was

going to come just the shameless.

I can still shock.

I'm shocked.

And I'm shocked, Joe.

I thought, I thought I'd be a bit more last head publication implying that both

Albanese and Joe Biden have Alzheimer's.

Yes.

Yeah.

Look I'm going to apply the ABC one here.

This was highlighted by Michael West media and, you know, we all know

that the Murdoch and Castello press mouthpieces for the conservative side.

If you're, if you're a journalist with warm blood on the ABC, you

should be fully aware of that, that they will on their front pages, run a

campaign in their own interests and.

You just can't treat the front pages of these papers as, as indicative of what

is important in Australia, but what does the fucking ABC do except repeat

these headlines as if they actually are what's important in Australia and I'm

going to play this the segment from an ABC mornings program of some sort here.

It's just apply this one.

You'll get the picture.

Let's have a look at the morning's headlines online.

And from the major news outlets around the country, the guardian

online is leading with that campaign.

Stumble from the labor leader where Anthony Albanese didn't

know the jobless and interest rights off the top of his head.

The age reports, the prime minister will ramp up his economic attack on Mr.

Albanese today by making a big jobs promise.

The Sydney morning Herald says the PM's job's announcement is

pouncing on labor's rates for.

The financial review debunks, a labor claim that the number of Australians

in casual work has increased.

Well, the courier mail says Anthony Albanese is failed.

The economic test, Mr.

Albanese didn't notice nearly 190,000 people have a job.

That's the Adelaide advertisers take on the GAF yesterday.

ABC news online is leading with a lethal stabbing at the Sydney Royal

Easter show overnight after a violent brawl $56 million road to nowhere.

The NT news says taxpayer money has been wasted on the gunpoint road.

Upgrade, upgrade, rather that is now deemed on vulnerable.

Don't count on me.

The Herald sun's is Anthony Albanese.

His bid for the top job has stumbled on day one, but mercury is featuring

polling that suggests a quarter of voters.

Do not know who the labor leader is.

Economics not so Alvin easy.

That's the headline in the history.

Not so Elvin easy as the headline in the daily Telegraph, the paper is

published and economic cheat sheet for the labor leader, as he attempts

to reset his campaign and the west Australian also has a shopping list

of key figures, just a run down at the bagging of labor by by vested interests.

And that's the ABC for you?

Terrible.

It's it's mind boggling that.

So one of the one of the journalists I think gave Scott Morrison a

hard time during some interview, and then there was outrage the

following day that how dare this?

Why, why is this left-leaning trash supported by our taxpayer funds?

Well, Andrew bolt has come out because Laura, yes, that was it.

But that's the one you're thinking of.

Let me find this, let me find this on my notes here.

. Yes, Andrew bolt on sky.

So so she ran a segment on ABC seven 30 report.

It raised issues that are dogged the PM, including bushfires COVID-19 deaths in

nursing homes, the government's failure to establish an anti-corruption body.

Tingled said the issues, quote, raised questions about the prime minister's

character and would leave an indelible mark on his prime ministership.

Andrew bolt said taxpayer should not be paying for biased coverage.

And this is Andrew on sky news, talking about Laura tingle on ABC.

He said last night, the ABC around probably the most shameless Savage and

biased smear of the prime minister in his government that I've ever seen.

It ran for eight minutes claiming to be a review of the

government's last three years.

And if you believe the presenter Laura tingle, the government in those

three years has been a complete and utter failure led by a bungling fraud.

Sounds about right.

That's right.

If that's the impression you got was probably a fairly accurate eight

minute report, I would have thought.

So, so hang on how much money has news international got news Corp

news limited, whatever they call it.

Continue to get handouts.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

And how much I don't know the exact figure, Joe, but I do

know how much tax they've paid.

New-school uncle, that's it?

Yeah, exactly.

Yep.

So, so talking about these biased media pundits who are getting

government hair nails yes.

Indeed.

He's cool.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

So I mentioned earlier about the cash rate, so yeah, and, and other

journalists were leaping on here.

There's a journalist Samantha maiden.

And she said labor leader, Anthony Albanese has now refused twice to state

the RBA cash rate for interest rates.

Yes, it's a gotcha question.

However, he should know it and ports to show a thing, showing the RBA cash

rate, but at, at 0.1 of a percent, but as this guy points out Peter

tulip, he's chief economist at the center of the independent studies.

He said the 0.1 of a percent is the cash rate target.

The correct answer was actually six basis points.

So it can be pedantically correcting others, then you've got

to get the answer right yourself.

So that's sort of got your question really what Anthony Albanese should have said

to the journalist asking that question.

Was you talking about the target cash rate or are you talking about the

overnight cash rate and what, what do you reckon the journalist sort of said, Joe?

I dunno, which of course for anybody who's familiar with Monty Python and

the holy grail will bring back memories in Monty Python and the holy grail

early in the, in the movie king Arthur.

With his aid who's, he's pretending to be on a horse and he's

clopping sort of copping coconuts together to make a horse sound.

And they arrive at this castle.

These guys yell out, what are you doing with this cake?

And that's where to get those from.

And, and he said, oh, maybe a swallow drop them.

And they said, well, how could I swallow?

I do that.

And there was a discussion about the flying velocity of a European versus a

Asian swallow or something like that.

And anyway, that was at the beginning of the movie.

And then later at the end of the movie they're trying to cross this bridge

and there's this like gatekeeper wizard type character who, who

asked questions and well, who is it?

What's it Tim, the engender Tinian charter.

And the Knights are asked a question and in they, if they get it right, they can

progress over the, over the the breach.

And so.

I'll apply a bit of that because I was reminded of this with this

whole question of the cash rate.

It is king of the Britain,

the holy grail.

What is the Ash speed?

Velocity of an unladen swallow.

Well, do you mean African or European swallow?

I reckon it felt uneasy.

It said give me the target cash, right cash.

Right.

See what's going on tonight?

A bit luck when can only train Joe.

Okay.

Maybe we could set up a springboard microphone stand.

Where if you, if you get the question wrong, you get launched.

That's it.

And if you've asked a question incorrectly or vaguely, then you get launched as well.

If the question you can turn it back on you, which I think is

what Adam Bandt did to that guy.

He literally literally sent him off into the, into the never, never as well.

Yep.

So what's yeah, hang out in the chat room here.

So Alison says, don't forget Bobcat Katter saying that we need

to give all kids guns at school.

That's right.

You know, talking about policy.

So that was while there's been a dearth of policy statements,

that was one that we had.

Thank you, Bob Catto.

John Jack Haidt says the figures regarding the wealth increase.

What's the figures within the Morrison government timeframe.

Well, not sure Jack, but at least with Gina Rinehart, she doubled her

wealth in just the pandemic years.

So that was for her And this one from Alison last election, I got

my mum to do a vote survey based on the candidates in our electorate.

So it was very similar to vote compass.

She swore black and blue.

She was a liberal voter.

She did the quiz and best matches the socialist Alliance candidate.

I was not at all surprised by this.

Yeah, that's true.

And Julia is going to vote greens by looks of it.

So that's in the chat room, keep them coming.

If you've got comments to make, we will have the time this evening

to get through some of them.

Right.

But other things that I have to say, what are the videos that I have

while I'm here, just to make sure I've got the relevant ones for that?

Yeah, actually horse race, journalism.

Cause that's.

That's the other issue that's going on here, where we're not getting

discussion about the policies at all.

We're just getting discussion about mistakes, errors.

Who's winning.

How can ma how can Albanese lose this?

How can Morrison win it?

We're not getting the contest of ideas that MBA was talking about, and that

the most disappointing thing about this is where not just not talking

about ideas about how we should change this country in different directions.

What's going to be good and what's going to be bad for us.

We've just got these banal statements where essentially Morrison will say

labor, can't be trusted with money.

They've got no experience.

And.

I'll keep you safe against the Chinese and the Russians and the boat people

and, but not against climate change.

No.

And, and, and that's it.

And, and all labor's saying in return is I'll give you an,

we'll give you an ICAC and we'll throw a bit of money at Medicare.

And, but otherwise we're not going to change much at all.

What sounds of it?

Adam band at least had something.

So, so yeah, we're in the horse race journalism here is a bit

of an explanation of that.

Oh, you didn't evidence here too.

Well, horse race journalism is sort of a reusable model for how to

do campaign coverage in which you focus on who's going to win rather

than what the country needs to see.

By electing a prime minister and it's easy to do because you can kind of reuse it

sort of like a Christmas tree every year.

And it's requires almost no knowledge either.

And it it's kind of imagined the campaign as a sporting event, right.

And everything that happens in the campaign can potentially

affect the outcome.

And so you can look at it as how is it going to affect the horse race.

And every day you can ask who's ahead.

And what is their strategy?

And I think this perspective appeals to political reporters because it kind of

puts them on the inside, you know, looking at the campaign the way the operatives do.

By the way, I'm told that you actually have a program here on Sunday morning

called the insiders, et cetera.

And the insiders are the journalists.

That's remarkable.

The nature of basically what you've just described there is basically

what modern cat, the day, the day to day reporting of modern campaigns,

what would be an alternative?

Well, an alternative model might start with what are the people in Australia

want this campaign to be about?

What are the issues they want to see the candidates discussing and then to ask each

day, well, how did we do in advancing the discussion of the citizen's agenda today?

Was it ignored?

Was it addressed?

Was it demagogue was was it slided?

And if the journalists helped citizens get their agenda

addressed during the campaign, they would be performing something.

That's actually a very important, a role that's very important for them

to do, but instead, if they want to simply become the chroniclers

of the inside game and tell tele.

From the point of view, sort of the, of the professional

strategist who's doing better.

Well, they're going to in a way, join the political class and

that's the attraction of the horse.

I think that I think that partly explains the ABC journalists.

I mean, I understand that the Castello and Murdoch journalists might want to do

something, but they know they're just not going to fly with the bosses in charge.

You would have thought if you pushed a little bit in the ABC, you

could get some talk about policy.

But

I, I think they're lazy most of them, and they want to take that easy insider

horse race view, and it's a shame we're just, we're not getting policy.

So it's a sad situation, Joe.

And so.

This leads to, yeah.

Okay.

You got up on the screen, this, the cave Plato's cave.

This is what I think of.

Like we're in a tough situation where our as a civilization, not just Australia

around the world where we've reached the point where information can be so freely

exchanged, where we should be just booming ahead in progress, but because of the

misinformation perpetrated by people in charge, we're actually going backwards.

And and so this reminds me of the story of Plato's cave.

I've got a picture up on the screen for those who are watching the

live stream or watching the video.

So Plato Plato begins by having Socrates ask gloss on Glaucon to imagine a

cave where people have been imprisoned from childhood, but not from birth.

These prisoners are chained so that their legs are next or fixed, forcing

them to guide at the wall in front of them and not to look around at the cave

each other or themselves behind the prisoners is a fire between the fire.

And the prisoners is a raised walkway with a low wall behind which people

walk, carrying objects or puppets of men or other living things.

The people walk behind the wall.

So their bodies do not cast shadows for the prisoners to see, but the objects

they carry do just as puppet, showman, have screens in front of them, which they

work, their puppets, the prisoners cannot see any of what is happening behind them.

They are only able to see the shadows cast upon the cave wall in front of them.

Socrates suggests the shadows are reality for the prisoners because

they've never seen anything else.

They do not realize that what they see are shadows of objects

in front of a fire, much less.

These objects are inspired by real things outside the cave, which they do

not see the fire or human made light.

And the puppets used to make the shadows are done by the artists Plato.

However, indicates that the fire is also the political doctrine

that is taught in a nation state.

The artists use light and shadows to teach the dominant

doctrines of a time and place.

Also few humans will ever escape the cave.

This is not some easy task and only a true philosopher with decades of preparation

would be able to lead the cave up.

The steep incline.

Most humans will live at the bottom of the cave and a small few will be the

major artists that project, the shadows with the use of human mode light.

So that's, you know, you can see a metaphor with our current

times with, you know, we're being given very limited information.

Only what we can see.

Some people I feel are.

I like to think understanding what's happening in the true world, but others

are stuck looking at the cave wall, trying to make sense of the shadows.

Play-Doh then suggests that one prisoner is freed.

It would hurt his eyes and he would escape by turning away to the

things that he was able to look at.

Suppose then so much a dragon by force, the prisoner would be angry and in pain.

And this would only worse than when the radiant light of the sun

overwhelms his eyes and blinds him slowly, his eyes adjust gradually.

He can see eventually he's able to look the stars and moon at night until

finally he can look upon the sun itself.

Only after he can look straight at the sun.

Is he able to reason about it and what it is?

Plato continues saying that the freed prisoner would think

that the world outside the cave was superior to the world.

He experienced in the cave and attempt to share this with the prisoners remaining

in the cave, attempting to bring.

Onto the journey he had just injured.

He would bless himself with the change and pity.

The other prisoners, according to Plato, the returning prisoner, his eyes

have become accustomed to the sunlight would be blind when he reenters the

cave just as he was when he first exposed was first exposed to the sun.

The prisoners, according to Play-Doh would infer from the tree from the returning

man's blindness, that the journey out of the cave had harmed him and that they

should not undertake a similar journey.

I conclude that the prisoners, if they were able, would therefore reach

out and kill anyone who attempted to drag them out of the cave.

Sounds like the anti-vaxxers it's an interesting thought experiment

and there's certainly some.

Get me thinking.

Yeah, I can see some, some of that right now.

Yeah.

It's an interesting one.

Those who become enlightened, who want to go back and say, Hey, you guys it

could almost be killed by the ones who are remaining sad and depressing.

Sorry about that.

But that was Play-Doh.

Right.

I was watching an Rushton and she was basically saying that, of course

the labor party has a reputation of not being able to manage money.

And it does have a reputation of that.

It does.

And I was my boss from Victoria was up and we were driving around visiting

some customers and stuff the other day.

And just, I don't know.

Actually I'm just going to try and bring up this.

No, I'm not gonna be able to.

And I was talking to her cause she was saying something similar about,

or course labor's terrible with money.

And I said, well, it was about tax labor, you know, highest taxing the other tax,

everything I said, you realize, you do know who was the highest tax in government

in the last 40, 50 years, don't you?

And she said, oh no, you're going to tell me it was John Howard.

Are you?

I go, yes, it was actually, if you look at the tax taken as a percentage of GDP,

the Howard government was was indeed the highest because we had minerals.

Boom, indeed.

So, you know, there wasn't actually some excuse for it.

Because of the mining boom minerals, boom meant there was a huge tax take indeed.

But if you want to know about.

Middle-class welfare D they did the big end of town and ruined the

budget for years to come because these things become entrenched.

But so say there'll be three things.

We'll, I'll talk about it.

It still is about the economy stupid.

Like this is what bill Clinton famously said.

You know, there, all these talk about social justice issues and other things,

and he said, it's the economy stupid.

It was about people just care about the economy.

And this is where labor has to drive home.

More of the message that if you just want to look at the figures,

highest tax in government was the Howard Costello government.

It actually dipped during the Rudd and Gillard years, and then increased

again during the coalition years.

Tax number means nothing.

Who's paying the burden of it.

Is it the low end of town or is it the top end of town?

Yeah, indeed.

But you, you know, if they, if the people won't even want to

get into the complicated story, you can just talk about okay.

Total tax.

Here's the figure.

Yeah.

Shut up.

All right.

You want to talk about the details of where it went or fine?

Because it's still not a good look, but so so the first one is the total tax rate.

Then of course, they'll talk about Australia's debt and you've then only

got to look at what's happened to Australia's gross debt under the liberals.

Yes.

Now.

Sure.

It went up under Rudd global financial crisis, pumped money in the economy, but

he'd been left for dead by the Morrison.

Frydenberg government.

So again, you can say, look, if you're worried about debt and debt being repaid,

then it's the Morrison and Frydenberg government that has got us into this mess.

And didn't the Rudd spend actually leads to increased GDP, the economy starting

and more money coming back in the end.

Yeah.

If you want to look at where the money where there's all sorts of

great arguments, but just in terms of basic figures who got us into

this mess with the debt, it was the Morrison Frydenberg government.

And then people will say to you look okay, but Hey, it was a

pandemic place was shut down.

And you know, not for the first five years of his government.

Yeah.

But indeed, but you can also point to Another statistic, which is

the, the increase in our debt for the five years, from 2013 to 2018.

So this is the five years prior to the pandemic.

And if you line up the 36 RECD countries and who was paying back debt and

who was building up debt Australia had the second worst performance.

The only one worse was Sheila.

And that's just a fact that during the five years prior to the

pandemic, the coalition conservative governments increased our government

debt to be the worst in the GDP, in that period, other than chiller.

So now MMT says that somebody is going to be in debt and it's either.

The people in the population or it's going to be the government.

Yes.

So when the government gets yourself out of debt, that just

means private debt goes up.

Yes.

And private debt.

Isn't that a good thing?

Yes.

So actually increasing debt, increasing government debt is a good thing, but

the problem is if you're doing it to pay you rich mates out to help the poorest

people out, it's not a good thing.

Yeah.

So do this in response to people who say our labor always taxes too high.

Well, the response is this is a board figure.

No they don't.

And if the, if the argument is are, and you know, labor always gets us

into debt and never pays back the debt, they're not good money managers.

Well, just give him the ball and figure.

Those sorts of people are highly unlikely to be talking about modern

monetary theory though, Joe, I think so.

Cause yeah, just the basic numbers are great for labor in that sense.

That's why I'm saying that I'm losing the last election was the best thing that

could happen to the labor party in the term for the next 50 years, because could

you imagine Joe, like labor would have had to have done the same spending, hopefully

better targeted, but let's face it.

It would have been a lot of spending and they would've been just crucified

for the next five decades because they were because of the GFC.

Yes.

Now at least there is a very good counter argument to say, Hey, you guys did it to.

Shut the fuck up, right?

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's, it was incredible about how socialists

Turnbull was not turtles.

Scotty was as soon as the pandemic started, but then of course they went,

how can we wrote this for our mates?

I know, rather than paying the people who are unemployed, we'll pay the people who

might have employed them to not sack them.

And then they made it anyway.

Yeah.

So as the campaign progresses, I'm really keen to see, is there a labor

party spokesperson who, when this topic comes up, can say it succinctly

and well and convincingly and make some undecided people go, oh, I

didn't know that is that right?

Like, is there anyone there who.

Who can do it because sure as eggs, when they appear on sky news or on the

Murdoch or on Castello stuff, at some point, somebody will say, oh, you guys

have a problem with economic management.

Can somebody please on the labor side at that point, just coming out

and do an Adam bans and just explain something really well in 30 seconds and

push back, let me know if you see it.

It's about controlling the conversation.

Hmm.

And the people they've got just don't seem to be able to control the conversation.

Yes.

It's about selling.

Yep.

Yes.

In Canada.

Yeah.

So I think you can be, if you see a clip where he doesn't Alison, let me know.

So I think he can, but let's wait and see.

Alright.

Other topics are George Christianson.

So you hear what he's doing, John.

Oh yeah.

Do you see the article I sent you?

Yes.

The one that said, Hey, he's, he's retired from politics.

Oh no.

He hasn't these kind of Stanford one notion.

Yes.

But apparently the reason he's standing for one notion is that if

he leaves parliament under his own of his own volition, he gets no payout.

But if he stands and is a sitting member of parliament or a candidate,

who's a member of parliament and loses his seat, he gets a

hundred thousand payout, correct.

A six figure payout resettlement allowance just by standing for

one nation, he'll get a payout.

So I think he's going for the third spot in the one nation Senate

ticket, I think is what it is like.

It's clearly a hopeless case that he will never.

When a sentence spot being in that position on the Senate ticket.

And yeah, there's this resettlement allowance.

So you qualify if you have retired in voluntarily through defeat at an election,

including defeat and an election where he, or she has campaigned to be elected to

represent a different electoral division or to the other house of parliament.

So because he's currently in the house of reps, isn't it?

So so the F so yeah, he's going to be defeated in another house of parliament,

but there's be this resettlement allowance, which will be worth somewhere

around a hundred thousand dollars.

So

nice.

If you can get.

Yep.

And, you know, Pauline Hanson will claim.

She hates politicians and she's for the working man and all the rest of it.

And stupid people will believe her and, and say, she's not

like those other politicians.

And meanwhile, she's enabling this.

Meanwhile, she's enabling this.

They'll talk about experience, of course.

And I've never heard her say that she, she thinks she's a waste of oxygen.

I still can't believe how nervous she is in a voice.

After all these years, you would have thought she would have settled into being

able to speak in front of the camera, but it just seems to be an excruciating

experience for her every time she has to front the camera, it must be horrible.

Like just, you can feel the unease in her, the lack of confidence, and

I have to do it so often for so long.

Let's be awful.

They'll talk about our elbow is inexperienced.

And I saw this thing on Twitter by somebody said elbow in 2007 became

Australia's first infrastructure minister and became leader of the lower house

that was in 2007 Morrison in 2007.

Cheated his way into Powerment after losing pre-selection to Michael Toke,

82 votes to eight allegedly and yes.

So this other tweet by the sky, Dave city-wide chaos, he said, get

Scott Morrison really get beaten.

ADT votes to eight in a pre-selection vote, hard to believe this is factual.

Does Toke expect us to believe this those voting would have

known Morrison personally?

What were those eight people thinking?

So I thought that was good.

Oh, and you know, when you want to talk about economic management, then the other

one to talk about is the submarines.

$5 billion.

Nothing.

No.

His it's important for Australia's security.

Yes.

Here's penny Wong at some Senate estimates committee or something like that.

So that is still underway by our defense science and technology group,

for instance, doing studies and those sorts of funds still on the C

1000 project around future submarine capability is still in the say 1000

it's funded out of that provision.

Yes.

Signed

up to five and a half, 540.

For instance, Senator is part of what was always spoken about as the 89 or

the ADA billion-dollar provision that it all part of it, the total vision.

So it takes best will be up to up for five and a half billion dollars

in submarines that don't exist.

The final negotiated settlement will be within that price within that

ouch five and a half billion dollars for nothing, but it's not their money, but

any of the great economic managers imagine what labor could have done it must've they

would advice a different that's the beauty of Morrison he could shamelessly say.

Oh yeah.

But imagine if labor do mean in charge, what are they?

10 billion.

Well, only flavor thought that we needed submarines.

Yes.

Did you look at that video?

I mean, obviously it was in branch.

I don't know.

Yeah, I, I didn't persevere with it cause it wasn't great.

Sorry, not speak French, Joe.

No, no, I, I thought it was strange that you were asking for the link, but so this

was a French, former spy, former head of a division of the French space agency.

Talking about the submarine contract and saying that they should have

seen the writing on the wall.

They were arrogant, the French.

This is that a government.

I don't know, an Australian government report had said that things weren't

going well and that the writing was on the wall and they should have at least

had a, a plan to re to, to fix that.

And it not be a total surprise.

But saying that the French weren't allowed to sell us nuclear site.

Because the non-proliferation treaty had expressly forbidden nuclear states to sell

nuclear technology to non-nuclear states.

Yup.

Yup.

And that effectively, that treaty has now been torn up by the

Americans and the Brits offering us nuclear powered submarines.

So that's interesting at one one does what other states are going to get

given submarines by Russia slash China?

Yes.

Yep.

And saying that there was a change in requirement, operational requirements

that Australia would now require subs to be able to sit in the China sea on

the station and attack Chinese vessels.

Whereas the current submarines would only be able to get there and then

we'd have to turn around and come.

Yup.

Yup.

They are so hairy chested about the military, these guys it's, it

should be embarrassing for them.

Here's one, a picture of the Tim Wilson, just in his army fatigues in front of,

in front of one of these tanks that I think we're sending to the Ukraine.

Anyway, somebody doctored the picture on this particular one.

I don't know if you can see it, but it says a mobile

armored prayer room, all ranks.

So yeah.

That's yeah, so hairy chested on this stuff.

Just on let me just see here, the yeah, and that just have a fascination with

the military in general and very pro.

SIS of course here.

And O'Reilly makes the point that we've got the daily grind of the Ben Robert

Smith court case, exposing the sadism and psychosis of the SIS simultaneously

running alongside a reality TV series, celebrating the essay and sprained.

So I, I found it interesting.

There was another different discussion that came up about East Timor and

saying that the Australian SAS had behaved in East Timor in a way that the

New Zealand SAS had reported up their ranks and that New Zealand, military

lawyers had opened an inquiry into potential human rights violations.

Right.

So no, I think they found that the Australian SAS ha.

Committed war crimes, right?

Yep.

And we just didn't hear about it because it was New Zealand or I don't

know, but it seems to be an ongoing problem of, unaccountability that

other countries don't have the problem.

So the other countries have their own SAS and don't have this problem.

It seems to be peculiar to Australia.

I've got the answer here, Joe, in this next clip here.

Here's the answer for our politicians fascination with the SAS.

Here we go.

No, our role has changed substantially since that time.

Now that we are here primarily to act as a masturbatory aid

for various backbench MPS.

Yes, I'm afraid to say it seems that a lot of today's parliamentarians are quite

unable to achieve sexual gratification without fantasizing about DSAs.

It's simple, Joe, that's it?

I thought it was also reflects his fixation and oranges.

Ah, there we go.

Right.

What else do I want to get off my chest here in this particular?

Yeah, we mentioned labor in terms of policies, labor decided to drop an

independent review of the job seeker payment and refuse to increase it.

Thanks a lot labor party and quite thought something relevant, not to the

election, but the woman in America.

Did you see who got charged with murder?

For the abortion.

Yes.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Under the new abortion laws.

Yeah.

I mean, we think things are bad here, but then that extra bit worse over there

because they've had a headstart on us, but we're heading in that direction.

I was about to say gifts got a year, 10 years.

Yeah.

Hey, I forgot to mention satanic wise.

So not this Easter Saturday, but the following Saturday where I'm doing a

thing with the news of temple of Satan at the gold coast, at that cultural center

where we're going to reclaim the demons.

Did I mention that last week, Joe?

I can't say you did.

Yeah.

So if you're free not this Saturday, but next Saturday, which would be

the let's get the date right here.

That would be Saturday the 20.

Third at the gold coast hauteur center.

That's where that where that lady was since the demonic spirits that

she as the spiritual advisor for the Lord mayor decided to drive them out.

So we're going to meet at the coffee shop there at one o'clock and at two

o'clock, we will re summon the demons on behalf of Satanist at the gold coast.

So that's that.

And then let's say, if you're interested, please get onto the news

attempt with Satan Facebook page.

There's an event there and let us know that you can come.

And then you heard about the prayer room that was down

there at the gold coast, Joe.

So where the spiritual advisor had set up a prayer room in the

council chambers and I had not.

No.

Yes.

So she's, she's done that has that the same as the federal

parliament prayer room?

I don't know, John.

But I thought to myself, you know what?

I'm on the gold coast for 10 days.

I think I'd like to say a prayer.

So I, I reached out to the council by their websites, send an email

and asked how I could go about booking the room for a prayer.

And I've received a word back from the Lord Ms.

Spiritual advisor.

She phoned me this afternoon.

Excellent.

Yes.

The room is free and available.

I just she has to have the names of the people gonna attend.

Cause we get a land yard just to escort us into the building

cause it's a council building.

So so we need our names and she was curious about what

organization we might be from.

And I was a bit cagey on that, but I will have to disclose

it earlier later this week.

So anyway, Friday so not tomorrow good Friday, but Friday the 22nd,

if anyone's available and would like to join me in prayer, the council

chambers at 10 30, 10 o'clock for 10 30 start, let me know, send me a message.

Go to the website, iron fist, velvet, glove.com to you and send a direct

message or get in contact with the Noosa temple of seitan and join me as we now

you're not going to have to get up your name because I have to get a lanyard for

you and join me as we are led by, well, it's just gonna be a prayer, Joan don't,

you know, just going to keep it clean.

It's going to be praying.

Yeah.

So yeah, so I do need some people for that.

So if you potentially able to be there Saturday, And join me, let me know.

Cause I need a few names to put on a list and we'll see what happens.

So that will be interesting, Joe, right?

Yeah.

I forgot to mention that.

Should put that at the top of the show.

Yeah, lots of people have gone to bed already.

Yeah, it's probably yeah.

Sh chaise not with us, of course.

And it was a late, so she's just got off a plane.

Did she say she just got off a plane?

Yes.

Right.

Well, I'm thinking she, as you heard last time that she's resigned

from Quantas, dear listener, and you know, she's been barely gone.

What's that?

I was going to say.

Nope.

I read the messages just got off a plane, so she, sorry, just landed.

Right.

Okay.

So I think the place has fallen into rack and ruin with Shay's leaving because

you've seen the queues at airports.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So according to Alan Joyce he says the miss, the problem is that

our customers are not match fit.

Did you hear that?

No, but I see that apparently they have to take out their assholes.

I don't know.

So aerosols that's it.

So, so the problems at the airport are that the customers are not match fit.

It's taking them too long to get their laptops out of their

carry on luggage and other stuff.

And that's the cause of the delay we're going to get match fit again.

And that's probably why he's the highest paid airline executive in the world.

Cause this.

Golf Joe, you wouldn't have watched the masters golf at all?

No.

Okay.

The winner, there's a guy called Scotty Scheffler and he's got a new caddy.

So he picked up his new caddy recently when Scotty Scheffler heard that bubble

Watson and catty, Ted Scott had parted ways in the fall Schaeffler figured it

was worth a call to see what Scott who had been on the bag for Watson's two masters

victories planned to do next after all.

It's not every day that our veteran caddy with Scott's resume becomes available.

So Scotty Scheffler, the winner of the recent masters.

He'd met Scott in Bible study a year earlier.

And I already thought the world of him as a person Jeff Lewis said, and

Scott said he thought he was done with caddying, but that changed when the

phone rang, he called me up and he said, I really want to work with a Christian.

That's how I try to live my life.

So a recent winner of the U S masters made is Katie and Bible school and

pre prior to their own gold diner.

Yep.

And and just wants to work with Christians.

That's how he rolls.

So hopefully he loses a few fans because of that.

And, oh, I think we're just about done Joe there.

We're going to know seven.

That'll be enough.

Everyone's going to bed anyway, so, alright.

We have five stalwarts.

Good on you.

The stalwarts are there.

All right.

Well, that's it.

I think on, on Tuesday it will be cam and here talking about the historical Jesus.

So he's planning against.

Hugh is going to argue that there definitely was a historical Jesus.

I think cam is going to argue the case for why there wasn't, even though in

reality can kind of concedes to 50 50 situation, but for the purposes of a

debate, he's prepared to take a position.

So anyway, it'll be interesting to see how little evidence there

is of the historical Jesus.

So I think that's the crux of it.

Hmm.

Yep.

All right.

We'll rehash that.

Thanks Joe, for coming along again and thanks for the brilliant suggestion

of switching the microphone into a different view as people, no

wonder you are the, the tech guy.

Hi.

I just know the divine incantations that you need.

Yep.

All right.

Thanks everyone.

Talk to you next week.

Bye for now.