Shownotes
First up, we're diving into the drama with Hunter Biden’s tax cases and how Special Prosecutor David Weiss let them expire, raising eyebrows about potential corruption and links to Joe Biden. We'll also chat about FBI Director Chris Wray’s latest warnings on terrorism threats and the growing concerns around border security with millions of undocumented immigrants.
Then, it's all about COVID-19 origins—was it a lab leak or a wet market? We'll debate that, along with discussing how these conversations were often hushed up. We're also hitting on government corruption, bioweapon research, and those ever-watching surveillance cameras.
We'll tackle the pros and cons of more traditional policing versus camera networks, and dive into the heated topic of transgender athletes in sports. Plus, we'll share some thoughts on recent gun-related legal cases in Ohio.
And of course, we're not missing out on some good ol’ nationalism talk, from historical events like D-Day to modern-day perspectives. We’ll wrap things up chatting about family values, the importance of Father’s Day, and how a strong family shapes our future.
Common Sense Moments
00:00 Exploring government power and freedom of expression.
08:01 Warning against coercion in faith and ideology.
13:29 D-Day's impact on American troop morality.
22:05 The Robert Jackson Museum in Western New York exhibits artifacts from the Nuremberg trials and his legal career.
30:58 Incorrect claim about Hitler's spying activities clarified.
43:51 Controversial remarks on IOC decision about transgender athletes.
52:10 Debate on altering humanity’s future; driving forces: money, power, ego.
57:14 Discussion of virus origins was critically important.
58:48 Legal battle over Ohio gun rights reaches court.
01:07:56 FBI director highlights terrorism threat from illegal immigration.
01:08:36 Border security concerns ignored, potential terrorist infiltration.
Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.
Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.
Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.
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Transcripts
Alright. Here we are. June 14, 2024. The summer has, I mean, once you get to June 14, mid June, you know, 4th July is just a hop, skip, and a jumping away. And pretty soon, you're gonna be thinking about, football camp, August 1, and then back to school. It's all over norm. It's done. But it doesn't
Norm Murdock [:Well, before I mean, just some big things unless you guys were already I so today is Flag Day.
Steve Palmer [:It is Flag Day. We're gonna talk about some flag decisions.
Norm Murdock [:Today is Trump's 78th birthday. Today is the day you can go online just today and get Ohio State Fair tickets for half price. Just today, 6 614 day. And, they're starting the, Le Mans, race tomorrow. So this is Le Mans weekend over in France. So big, big day for me.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. So alright. Well, look. Common sense. Alright. It doesn't mean you check your common sense just because the summer's almost gone. In fact, maybe all the better time to reevaluate your Common Sense approach to the world. And what better way to do that than listen to Common Sense Ohio.
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Steve Palmer [:So, a lot more than just accounting, Harper Plus accounting. Everybody knows that by now that I have been going into World War 2 facts of the day now for I don't know how many months, but it's been I I I think it's I think it's popular enough. So despite in in addition to the dates or the events that you're talking about, Norm, in 1940 on June 14, tanks drove into or rode into or whatever it is, entered, we'll say, Paris. So the Nazis took over Paris. It was a dark time in the world of history. You know, they they that means that gave them the all the culture, everything. Yeah. And interestingly, it was also the day they started shipping the Jewish prisoners or Jewish roundup to Auschwitz.
Steve Palmer [:So, but, you know, as every now and then, I I I sort of go sideways from my World War 2 history. And this is, I think, appropriate given the fact that it's flag day. In 1943, the US Supreme Court decided a case called West Virginia Board of Education versus Barnett overruled a prior case. But, Barnett basically said that the West Virginia Board of Education could not compel students, particularly, Jehovah's Witness students to salute the flag. That violated, well, it was an interesting analysis. I mean, it it it sort of premised on the First Amendment, but also on due process. But, Jackson, who you pointed out earlier, Norm, off off the air, I think, wrote the decision, and he later prosecuted Nuremberg. Was one of the chief prosecutor I think he was the chief prosecutor of Nuremberg.
Steve Palmer [:He had some assistance. Yeah. And while he was still sitting on the US Supreme Court, so sort of interesting history there. And and, look, a great movie. If you just don't if you don't feel like reading and you're not a reader anymore and you don't wanna go down the YouTube rabbit hole, go watch Judgment at Nuremberg. I think it was Spencer Tracy. Yeah. Played the Jackson, maybe, I think.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:He did. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And, good movie. You know, just Great movie. Yeah. Really sort of frames it in a 2 hour, maybe an hour and a half. I don't know how long it is.
Norm Murdock [:I was just obeying orders. Right. You know, like, that that was up like like, that was the first time in human history that an international court, judged warring combatants. I mean, it it, you know, it it used to be the war was like World War 1. The war was over. Everybody went home. Yep. This was the first time.
Steve Palmer [:The first time he started prosecuting ideology.
Norm Murdock [:Crimes against humanity.
Steve Palmer [:Well, along those lines, Jackson, a couple years before, writes this decision. And I didn't look at the dates of the conduct, but I'm sure it predates World War 1. I mean, it probably was, you know, probably 40, 41 when the conduct happened. It usually takes a few years for these things to matriculate up to the to the Supreme Court. But, short of that, what's interesting is he gives a discussion in in in only Jackson prose. You know, if you read these older Supreme Court cases, the prose they use, I mean, the writing is really artistic in and of itself.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. It is.
Steve Palmer [:And and only that type of prose could it make this point as eloquently as he does. But the point he's making is he wants to balance and wants to really analyze not the first amendment implications as much, you know, like, whether you have a right not to salute or right to salute or whether their religious beliefs exempt them from the these requirements and all of that, and he does do a bit of that. But then he goes into the power structure, and this is what I love. I love the lever of government power. I and you hear me on at this table all the time. We have to question, what power is being exercised by the government, and what does that mean beyond this particular scenario? So we could force easily people to salute the flag. You know, all you gotta do is stick a gun in your face, and some people are gonna salute. And you might have some dissenters.
Steve Palmer [:You know, you might have people that get shot. And you think that you think I'm exaggerating? Well, just go study Nazi history. Right? You know? Yeah. Absolutely. It's like they rounded up the dissenters and shipped them off to camps. Look at Stalin. They rounded up the dissenters and shipped them off to camps. This is the gulags.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And, you know, Jackson sort of goes into this a little bit. And, you know, he he talks about how do we create a unity? Because I think the idea was we wanted to create unity. We wanted to create a nationalistic approach at the world. And on the left now, there's this huge push against nationalism, you know, just in and of itself. And they think that nationalism means fascism, and that's not true. That's not true. You know, nationalism maybe was a part or was part not part not even part and parcel, but it was part of fascism. You know, Hitler was trying to force this nationalistic, belief of all its citizens.
Steve Palmer [:But it's not in and of itself a bad thing. You know? No. It's okay to love the government and be proud of your Or love your country. Love your or not the government. Yeah. In fact, I hate the government. Exactly. I hate it.
Steve Palmer [:I love my country.
Norm Murdock [:I I knew you you did.
Steve Palmer [:Right. But it's it's it's perfectly I mean, it's I think it's it's an I think it's an admirable goal to get everybody on board to be, out of our country.
Norm Murdock [:Take the Olympic movement. Movement. Right? Right. Yeah. All the nations around the world are cheering for their own team. That is nationalism. Yep. Right? The Greeks are hoping the Greek, you know, track and field people can get the gold.
Norm Murdock [:And the Russian people were thinking the same thing. The Swedish people, the Nigerian
Steve Palmer [:That's nationalism. That's nationalism. Like, when you're watching the US hockey team in 1980 defeat the Russians, that's nationalism. Right.
Norm Murdock [:You know,
Steve Palmer [:we were we were we needed we needed something to unify the country, and and what Jackson goes into, and I think this is very, very, pointed for what's going on for both the left and the right. What Jackson goes into is that you can't force nationalism. You can't force unity. And government action to say, you salute the flag, is nothing short of a hollow, symbolic thing. So now in in this, it goes even deeper because it sort of changes when you get into the educational structure where you can brainwash kids. I mean, I use that word on purpose. You know, you can you can and that's happened over several, now generations. But, what Jackson says is, look look, is this just these hollow gesture of of You think really that's gonna create nationalism? We need not dig into this idea.
Steve Palmer [:Like, are they really gonna believe it? Are they just gonna do it to avoid punishment because the Jehovah's Witnesses are actually kicked out of school expelled, and there was even threats of criminal prosecution if they didn't do this. Wow. And and, you know, you could say you could say on the right, these people who wanna enforce nationalism, this idea that you should love your country, you should love your country, you should love your country. Jackson makes this point, and I can I'll try to read some of his pros without screwing it up, but I'll I'll summarize it first. He's making the point that the more you pressure that, the less you get of it. So the more you force people into an ideology, the more they're gonna resist it. It it doesn't come that way. And I think that's true of so many things, you know, read you know, we I often talk about the New Testament, but read the New Testament.
Steve Palmer [:It's so true of so many things, you know, if you're walking. At any rate, he he makes that point. And he he also references some of the the worst forms of government that we've the tyranny that we've ever seen in the world in his decision. So and then on the left right now, we're seeing this. You have to subscribe to this wokeness. You have to subscribe to this ideology. And if you don't, then you are you are bad person. And what it's done is I think this this forcing of these ideas from the left upon people who don't buy it has created more of a fracture than it solved.
Steve Palmer [:You know, so, you know, and I I say this as only as an example, not not only going to debate about pride month, but it's pride month. And, you know, for people who don't agree with that lifestyle, this is an in your face moment that only strengthens their resolve against it. Right. The the more you force people to believe something, the less they're gonna believe it. And Jackson is making this decision and making this point. He's saying, look, wow, we all would agree that saluting the flag is a is a good thing, but I think what he's really saying is saluting the flag on our own volition is a good thing, but it shouldn't be forced by the government. We wanna somehow create a culture, create a society, create a nationalistic view of our country that people want to salute the flag. Right? You don't do that by putting a gun to your face.
Steve Palmer [:You do that by, through the culture, or right, or through the family structure, through whatever, through the education. But you cannot force it. And, you know, Jackson I'll try to find the quote here. Ultimate futility of such attempts to compel coherence is the lesson of every such effort from the Roman drive to stamp out Christianity as a disturber of its pagan unity, the inquisition as a means to religious and dynastic unity, the Siberian exiles as a means to Russian unity, down to the fast failing efforts of our present totalitarian enemies. Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. I mean, it just is, like, a really, really incredible thing, and it's on flag day.
Norm Murdock [:That's poetry.
Steve Palmer [:Right? It's on flag day.
Norm Murdock [:That's that's
Steve Palmer [:really all. Flag day was official in 19 43, but maybe it was. We did, like, years ago, we did a show and know your talk on this. But, anyway, it's the point he's making is you can't force people to believe in ideology. No. You cannot do it. And the left should learn from this. The right should learn from this.
Steve Palmer [:Everybody should learn from this. Right. And the more that they're saying you have to believe that men can become women, that women can become men.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:The more people are saying that is insanity.
Norm Murdock [:Sure. And and and hate hate speech codes on campus.
Steve Palmer [:That's right. It's crazy. And and and It's crazy. Tamping out. He goes further into this.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, we don't want hate. Right? And and and we don't want people to, stamp on the flag or burn the flag. Correct.
Steve Palmer [:Right? But And years later, Pointer versus Texas, you can burn the flag. Right?
Norm Murdock [:So Yeah. Right.
Steve Palmer [:But the you know, what they're getting, you you can't force this. You can't stamp out dissented viewpoints. And what he also goes into a little bit of a discussion about how doing that and, you know, this is relevant, to what's going on in today's day and age with, social media and government attempts to sort of, curb the other viewpoints, say, on transgender ideology, wherever you stand.
Brett Johnson [:Right?
Steve Palmer [:So if if you're gonna suppress opposition to that using government pressure, that's what this is. And it doesn't work. It only creates a greater resolve.
Norm Murdock [:I like I like, what Jackson said. I guess I would use the word stigma or the attraction, for the forbidden. You know, how, for example, families, you know, they don't want their kids to become alcoholics. Right? So they have these ultra strict, rules at the at the table, you know, like on a holiday. Nope. No alcohol for the children. But, you know, in other countries, France or Italy or whatever, if if the child is allowed to have, you know, a small taste of wine on a special holiday or whatever, it removes that stigma. But a complete banishment almost makes it attractive.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And and I think that's also what gave rise to the Skinhead Movement, for example, in Germany. After the war, they banned all the books about Nazis, all the symbols of Nazism. You know, you couldn't study it. It was suppressed. And lo and behold, you know, the biker culture or the or the rowdies or whatever you wanna call it, the the the slam dancers or whatever, there was this rise in skinheads in Germany.
Steve Palmer [:Just just, I think, just for descent purposes. Yeah. Just just for descent purposes in itself
Norm Murdock [:in and of itself. Forbidden.
Steve Palmer [:I'm doing this forbidden thing and f you, you can't stop me. And there's a lot of that going on.
Norm Murdock [:There's a lot of that.
Steve Palmer [:You know, Brett, last week, we talked, Norm and I, I was remote, but we talked a lot about, D Day. And, you know, Reagan's speech at D Day is, like, where did we find these men? You know, where do we find these men? You know, you find them at home. You find them on the farms. You find them in the church. You find you find them in the fan. I think you and I, Norm, sort of got this conclusion. This this is created sort of organically through a strong family unit and a healthy culture, and you can't force it. And yet that was the difference between the German troops and the American troops in a lot of ways.
Steve Palmer [:You know, they were forced into this thing forced into this, And, they Hitler would say, there's no way these soft Americans can beat us. But guess what? We did. Now we had more money and more resources and and eventually greater numbers, and and that was Hitler's fault for taking on Russia at the same time he was gonna take on the rest of us. Yeah. But but at any rate, I mean, we we were not weak enemies to them. We were not, weak adversaries. In fact, quite the opposite. Right.
Steve Palmer [:We had a resolve and a creativity that he had not expected. No. And, he thought we were soft. That was created organically, not through force of government. Right. And Jackson is making this point, ironically, in 1943. It it it really is,
Norm Murdock [:On Omaha Beach at the cemetery, which I've visited one time in my life so far, been there one time, chiseled on one of the granite tablets is a quote, I think, by a sergeant. Kind of a, you know, like a a an unknown guy but they they they gave his name. And the quote was something like, you know, you can make rifles and artillery and bullets in factories, but but these men cannot be mass produced.
Steve Palmer [:Mhmm.
Norm Murdock [:Meaning, they rise up organically from the culture as we're talking about there. Yep. They're a product of America but they're not one that you can command to be made. They just are.
Steve Palmer [:Sure. And so how does it happen? You know, it's like, I think a lot about this stuff as I you know, in med school, they say you have to read it once, do it once and then teach it once or something like that. You know? So it's common sense logic and experience that that that that sort of creates this this path in front of us. And does. So, you know, it sort of falls into, I think, what we all, not to get too, poetic about it, but something that we try to do at this table. Right? We want common sense. We want a discussion about it. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Because if you tamp down the opposition just, from the outset, then you you're never gonna have you're never gonna reach anybody with common sense.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:If you have a discussion with people and you drop the monikers, drop the labels, you're left and I'm right, and you're blah blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. Ultimately, you find maybe some common ground. And that that's what's interesting about what Jackson is saying. Yeah. And it's not a new idea. Right? That's what's even more interesting. You
Norm Murdock [:know, part of our culture too. So, like, one thing I left out, this is Father's Day weekend. Oh, yeah. And, you know, we're all 3 fathers and, and, you know, and it's rough. It's there's nothing easy about being a father, but the the thing is that culturally, part of the slide and this is all races, all religions. I mean, it's just it's a cultural thing. There's more children now being born out of wedlock and naturally that leads to an absence of fathers in a lot of their lives. And part of the difference between that greatest generation and today is the lack of the guidance of a father, setting an example of what manhood really is and what it means.
Norm Murdock [:You know? And it's not abusing or it's not bashing your kids or overly, you know, punishing them. But it is setting the guardrails of what proper behavior is and, you know, worship that there is a god, you know. There is something bigger than us to aspire to, etcetera, etcetera. And that would be also part of the answer to Reagan's question, where do we get these men?
Steve Palmer [:You know, it's interesting to bring this up. The, first of all, fatherhood or father's day. I'm a father. You're a father. We're all fathers here too.
Norm Murdock [:Right. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:I've never looked at this as a day of reverence for myself. In fact, I find it sort of foolish.
Norm Murdock [:I think of my dad. I I Yeah. Correct.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. I find it sort of foolish. Yeah. I'm I'm like, the every year, what do you wanna do for Father's Day?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:I wanna cut the grass.
Norm Murdock [:I'd like to I wanna watch golf maybe.
Steve Palmer [:I
Brett Johnson [:wanna hang out with you guys. With
Steve Palmer [:you guys. Right? I'd like to do what I did last week.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Right? Yeah. And I I don't want I don't need a celebration for it. Alright?
Norm Murdock [:You know,
Steve Palmer [:I get that why we do it because it's a Hallmark holiday in Hollywood.
Norm Murdock [:And I
Brett Johnson [:I think I think Mother's Day, definitely, they needed a tribute day.
Norm Murdock [:You know? Yeah. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:But you said something else that you you teach how to worship. You know, I I listened to this. After this, we'll get back to the what we what we come here to do, but I I listened to, what's his name? Russell, Russell Brand? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. Interesting guy. Oh, really? I disagree with him on a lot of stuff.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. But I just happened to catch one of his, like, video shorts as I was wasting time yesterday or maybe the day before. And he made this point. He goes, we're worship, not culture. Our humans are worship oriented. In other words, we need to worship something. And he wasn't even making an argument of toward God, but he was saying, we need to worship something. And in the absence of God or something positive to worship, we worship something else.
Steve Palmer [:And that is self, that is ego, that is, ideology.
Norm Murdock [:Yep.
Steve Palmer [:And a lot of times, really bad ideology. So if we're gonna subscribe to something, if we're gonna, you know, if we're gonna worship something, and it's not God and I used to tell my son this. It's like, look, when you're walking on a path towards Christ or to God, whether you believe or not, if you're walking towards that goal, then you're not focused on all this otherworldly crap that bogs you down and makes you do stupid stuff. Yeah. You know, and and you're not you're not focusing on getting more. You're not focusing on being this perfect human. You know, it's like Right. Or that making everybody like you or whatever it is, you know, you're you're focused on something better and bigger and a higher power.
Steve Palmer [:And then ultimately, what happens as a result of that is you get these other things.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:It's it's sort of like what we're talking about. When you're trying to cram down unity, you don't get it. But when you're not folk when you're not trying to cram
Brett Johnson [:down unity. Point you get what you what what the higher being wants you to have. Yes. Exactly. Because he knows best.
Steve Palmer [:And then you find contentment in that because you appreciate that that's what you need.
Brett Johnson [:At that moment, at that time yeah. Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:I forget where it is in the Bible where Christ is saying, look. Do you see the birds? Do you see the animals? They're all they're all doing just fine. The God Lord is providing for them, and he'll provide for you. Yeah. You know? Yeah. We're doing just fine.
Norm Murdock [:We are a talk the talk culture now instead of a walk the walk. Yeah. You know, like my dad you know, partly because there was no Internet. But, like, none of our fathers got online and were looking for people to approve of their belief system. Right? Yeah. They just lived it.
Steve Palmer [:They just lived it. Right? Because you had you're walking in a direction that that is laid out for you in advance. And they knew their son's eyeballs and their daughters
Norm Murdock [:are watching how they go through life, how they handle conflict, how they handle disappointment, how they handle success.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Link and I are watching them. Link and I said, if you want your son to walk a path, you surely better walk it yourself first or something like that. Yeah. You know, he's probably more eloquent about it. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:But the the point is that path is already laid out for us. Right. And it's a non egotistical Yeah. Selfless path. Right. You know, it's it's not that you better accept me and my and who I am right now. It is, I'm gonna try to make myself better because I'm walking this path. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:So I don't need you to accept me, Norm, who I am, because I know that I'm on this constant mission to make myself better, to live in this certain image, and live in this certain way. Right. Imperfectly, of course, at every step. Yeah. Of course. But, instead now
Norm Murdock [:But you're trying.
Steve Palmer [:We're worshiping this culture that says you have to accept me for what I am. And if you don't, then we're gonna cram these ideas down on you, and we're not gonna let you even dissent. And that's what Jackson is saying.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. That's a that's a great thanks for bringing that. That's a great opinion. 1, I didn't have any idea existed. Never studied that case. That's a great great case. Yeah. I
Steve Palmer [:would like to say I knew about it 2 days ago, but I didn't.
Norm Murdock [:Is it a flag day thing?
Steve Palmer [:Know what I do every when I prepare for these shows, I always just search for the state in history. Okay.
Norm Murdock [:Sort of
Steve Palmer [:see what's going on.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. That's very cool.
Steve Palmer [:And that happened to come up.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. He's well, you know, we could go on about him. I I do want to mention for people that maybe in Western New York and near Chautauqua, New York, there is a Robert Jackson Museum and it has all kinds of stuff from the Nuremberg trials as well as his Supreme Court career. And also, you know, his town lawyer career. That's back when guys, you know, like, organically came up from, you know, like like, they practice law, and then they became a judge, and then they got on the Supreme Court. Now you got people who's, like, you know, that's their career path. But it's it's he's a fascinating guy and a and a solid American and, you know, at any rate. Good case, Steve.
Norm Murdock [:Cool.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. Back to the Common Sense Ohio agenda that Norm has outlined in his chicken scratches over there. I don't know where the where's the steno pad? Where's the
Norm Murdock [:steno pad? So, you know, just kinda riffing, off of of what we just discussed, you know, about where you really get your guidance from. On Good Morning America this week, which is, you know, ABC Network. The Dayton City Schools were featured, with a new policy. And we kinda talked about that there was legislation compelling local school boards to develop a, a cell phone policy. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Oh, yeah.
Norm Murdock [:So city is city but Dayton City Schools either already did that or or because the legislation, promulgated a rule. And basically, they took WiFi off of the school buses. I didn't even know there was WiFi for the kids on school, but but they took that off the school buses. They took Wi Fi out of the school.
Steve Palmer [:They had Wi Fi on school buses.
Norm Murdock [:Can you believe can you believe it? So the kids are not inconvenienced, you know.
Brett Johnson [:They just Wow.
Norm Murdock [:So I mean paying
Steve Palmer [:for Wi Fi on school buses? Dude.
Brett Johnson [:Well, wait a minute. Okay. So so it's Dayton Schools.
Norm Murdock [:Dayton Schools took took that date.
Brett Johnson [:It could very well be a let's play this.
Norm Murdock [:But A
Brett Johnson [:lot of these kids don't have the Wi Fi access at home. That's right. It they'd at least
Norm Murdock [:give them
Brett Johnson [:a little bit on maybe.
Norm Murdock [:Maybe. Hold on.
Steve Palmer [:If they have a device. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:I I don't
Norm Murdock [:Well, they may they
Brett Johnson [:may not have
Norm Murdock [:a phone account. Right? They may not have, like, a cellular account. So they
Steve Palmer [:just get the they get the school issued. Maybe they get the school issued Google pad or whatever
Norm Murdock [:or something. Alright.
Brett Johnson [:Alright. Maybe. So Again, let's play
Norm Murdock [:it out a
Steve Palmer [:little bit.
Norm Murdock [:But that's just that's just wild. But that that's just a minor part. They also took, the strict prohibition of of phones in school. Just, you know and what they said is the teachers have come back and we're on Good Morning America saying an immediate like Of course. Of course. Immediate in both their attention span because they're not, you know, middle class, you know.
Brett Johnson [:Exactly. You
Norm Murdock [:know, hey hey, sweetie pie. Do you want to meet at the Coca Cola machine?
Brett Johnson [:Oh, that that ain't what
Norm Murdock [:that is. Right. Right. Right. I'm being nice.
Steve Palmer [:I'm being nice. Sweetie pie Coca Cola. Hey.
Brett Johnson [:Let's go hang out with Archie.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Yeah. You wanna go to the soda jerk after this? You wanna watch Scooby Doo? No. I mean,
Brett Johnson [:like, head to do skateboard style.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly. Mayberry. And, also, they're great.
Steve Palmer [:They're going to the vape shop.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And, also, they're great. So, like Of course.
Steve Palmer [:I mean Who would think anything else would happen?
Norm Murdock [:Well Yeah. I mean, look.
Brett Johnson [:I know. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Who would Exactly. Like, you know who's gonna you know who the only people that would ever argue against this are the students. It's like that that is it.
Norm Murdock [:So, I mean, I thought that was pretty good. You you know, and and it kind of it kind of it kind of encapsulates like who should you be listening to? Well, you should be listening to your dog on teacher. Right? So instead of, you know, talking to Billy, in the other room about what you're gonna do after school. Another interesting thing, again, riffing off of of, the the Nuremberg trials and, in World War 2 history. There's something I mean, this this so I've been watching this brand new Netflix series. It's a 6 part series called Hitler and Nazis on Trial.
Steve Palmer [:I've seen I've seen I've seen it, I've seen the icon, but I haven't I haven't watched it yet.
Norm Murdock [:So features a lot of our man, Robert Jackson. Right? And and and the other lead prosecutors, one from Russia, one from England, one from France, etcetera. So, at any rate, I I I have to I have to just, like, say, they they ruined the series for me. So I'm on I'm on episode 6. I have one more to go. I've seen the first five. And there's the the the professors who are featured, there's one that's really good and the other 4 are terrible. But the professors are injecting their own personal hate of I have I I mean, I don't even wanna say, but Donald Trump.
Norm Murdock [:There so there's there's there's comparisons of Trump, Hitler that are that that is running it's it's a thread throughout the thing. And
Steve Palmer [:piss you off.
Norm Murdock [:Totally piss me off. And I'll give a a few examples, and then we can dive in. So the one professor said, well, you know, Hitler Hitler during the the beer hall putsch and all that, he was trying, you know, to make Germany great again. So he threw that in. Another professor compared the Berchtesgaden which is, you know, Hitler's mountain retreat, that that was just like, and this is a direct quote, just like Mar a Lago.
Steve Palmer [:It's so absurd.
Norm Murdock [:I I it's so absurd. And then, economically and
Steve Palmer [:What about Biden's, coastal Delaware house?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And Obama in the Bush's ranches and and like Reagan's rent. They all had a vacation place but that's really different than a butcher like Hitler. I mean, if that's if that's your way to connect Trump to Hitler, how facile is that? And then probably the thing that drove me wild the most, and you talked about nationalism earlier in this program, Steve, is nationalism in this show is always a right wing or a Correct. Or or a Nazi like characteristic.
Steve Palmer [:Well, the only one.
Norm Murdock [:And so I just A
Steve Palmer [:lot of times.
Norm Murdock [:I just wrote up a quick list of very nationalistic countries that are either socialist or the religious states like Iran, like North Korea, like the Chinese, like the, you know, CCP, like Cuba, like the you old USSR. Very nationalistic. So I don't know what they're talking about. It's not a right wing characteristic to be nationalist. It's it's just it's just people choosing upsides. Now can it bleed over into something evil? Well, sure it can.
Steve Palmer [:It absolutely can. But so can everything else.
Norm Murdock [:So can every so can eating marshmallows. I mean, like anything
Steve Palmer [:Well, so you the the way you the way I always take these arguments apart Yeah. Is that if you say nationalism in and of itself is bad, then I'm gonna ask you what's the alternative? What's what's the opposite of nationalism? It's hate your country. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And then Or just not giving it to you.
Steve Palmer [:Go read Animal Farm. Right? So nationalism is bad. We hate our country. So we're gonna create our own, and then you're gonna have a nationalistic viewpoint to the towards the one you create. Right. Inevitably, you would because that you've created it.
Norm Murdock [:And then
Steve Palmer [:Then it's bad again. So then it has to start over. So nationalism as a defining characteristic is is not a bad thing by itself. It can be utilized for bad purposes, and that's what, with all due respect, the left is doing now. They're creating their own little movement that if you subscribe to this and if you're part of this Right. Then all of a sudden you have virtue. Right. That's nationalism on its own little level.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And that's what Hitler did. He created the Hitler Youth. We have this 3rd right, the greatest gen the, you know, the the greatest genetic, human beings that ever walked the planet. You know, we're we're this we're this great thing.
Norm Murdock [:Well, the first word in the name of the Nazi party was nationalist.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Sure. The National Socialism.
Norm Murdock [:Second one was and this will lead me into my my other big complaint, is socialist. Sure. National Socialism. That's what it was.
Steve Palmer [:But was it nationalism that created these great men who stormed the beaches of Normandy? I mean, there's a facet of nationalism to that.
Norm Murdock [:Gotcha. Right.
Steve Palmer [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:It wasn't national social. Right?
Steve Palmer [:You know, was it was that nationalism? And are you gonna quit? Because without that nationalism, then Sure. Hitler is in charge of the world right now.
Norm Murdock [:Love a country is not in and of itself a bad thing. But this so all of these people were saying that the Nazis were right wing and that they were conservative. And the one lady that just drove me crazy, Anne Berg from the University of Pennsylvania, She's the one that compared Berchtesgaden to Mar a Lago.
Steve Palmer [:That's so absurd.
Norm Murdock [:So so she said in particular that Hitler was sent in by the army to spy on right wing organizations. Oh, no. He wasn't. That is a factual error on her part. The n d s a p that Hitler was to spy on was another socialist underground party. And he ended up liking it so much, he became more or less their president. He took it over and left the army. And the thing is about these groups is the reason they were called National Socialists is they were trying to get popular support away from the Communist Party and the other like the Democrat Socialist Party, which was another party.
Norm Murdock [:They were trying to get those members to leave those parties that were that were very left wing but owed a debt of allegiance to Bolshevism, to the to the Reds in the Soviet Union. They were trying to to get them to be pro German socialist. That's what that struggle
Steve Palmer [:was all about. It it it was the idea that we don't need to take over the world with communism is that we can do it within our own country.
Norm Murdock [:That's right. And and be socialist.
Steve Palmer [:Be socialist.
Norm Murdock [:But be loyal to Germany. That's right. Not loyal to Stalin.
Steve Palmer [:It is it is it is a very far left ideology.
Norm Murdock [:It was too left in England. Fighting each other.
Steve Palmer [:Go start researching. There's a guy named Genevieve or yeah. Giovanni Gentile. Alright? He's a he was an Italian philosopher and thinker and a Marxist student, a communist, and, he helped in he was sort of this father of the National Socialist Movement, this sort of breakaway from the communist and the Marxist. But it's all the same idea. They have the same father.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Right? They all have the same father. And it they were all against something very obvious in in their viewpoint and as capitalism. Yeah. They thought that the capitalistic society was, you know, they they were initially preaching that the capitalists were, oppressive, that the workers were oppressed. And, eventually, they expected that the Marxist revolution would occur in, like, the United States or Great Britain or one of these more capitalistic economies, but it didn't never happened. So then they had to cram it down, and they started they started doing it from above. And they started infiltrating things like labor unions and creating their own revolution, by planting the seeds of it and stirring up agitation. And that that's what these guys that's that's what starts all this.
Norm Murdock [:So look what look what's going on today, for example, in France. So they have a left wing prime minister, Macron. He just dissolved the French parliament. Like, he just he just said you're out of business. We're gonna have all new elections. I know France no longer has a working parliament as of today because the prime minister with a stroke of his pen just got rid of it. I mean, it's almost like, you know, burning the Reichstag down and getting rid of the German at the time what Hitler did, getting rid of the German parliament.
Steve Palmer [:Yep.
Norm Murdock [:Right? So they can't function anymore and critique him. And and and And that's
Steve Palmer [:coming from the left folks.
Norm Murdock [:It's coming from the left. Right?
Steve Palmer [:This is this is Coming from the left.
Norm Murdock [:Like, what kind of wack
Steve Palmer [:is say that they're that they're that a far extreme right wing, whatever any any extreme is gonna be bad. Right? Right. But it doesn't it's the evil is not on only one side. And I don't even know what right wing at this point means. At least my version of conservatism is we I wanna conserve our freedom. Right. That's my version of conservatism.
Norm Murdock [:Europe right now. They are calling people right wing like this Le Pen lady, that that is popular in France and may may win the election against, Macron. That basically anybody who is calling for immigration control
Steve Palmer [:It's right wing. Right. They're right. It's become a trope of its own. You're Hitler.
Norm Murdock [:Right? You're Hitler.
Steve Palmer [:What's interesting about the European Crazy. Viewpoint of this is that they their meter is set differently than ours Yeah. Based on the historical, evolution of their cultures. Yeah. You know, they they are all socialist.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Very deeply.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And so to them, the the the the meter starts at a different place. You know? The like, the the marks on the ruler are different for them Right. Than they are for us. Sure is. And, you know, so when people say, well, Europe blah blah blah. It's like, I don't give a rat's ass what they think.
Norm Murdock [:They're failing huge.
Steve Palmer [:They have failed time and time again throughout world history. And we've had to save your asses now twice and probably 3 times, actually, if you count.
Norm Murdock [:Good example. That national health, system in in England. So it's incredibly expensive. So they have single payer health care in England. Right? And if you're extremely wealthy and you want to have concierge medicine, you can still hire private doctors, right? So like, you know, if you're Prince Charles and you're getting cancer treatment, which he is and, you know, we all hope he gets better. But, you know, he doesn't have to go down to the hospital, wait in But 99.9% of Britons get their But 99.9% of Britons get their health care through this NHS tax funded. Right? And you talk to I I have a lot of friends in England. You talk to them and you just go.
Norm Murdock [:And they say, well, it's free. My co pay is $5 and I can get a heart transplant or whatever I need. It's $5. And you're like, do you realize how many more jobs and what your what the rise in your as in your, economic fortunes you would have if you went back to being able to buy your health care. Because there are no factories being cited in the United Kingdom anymore. They're all they've all left or they're leaving. Yeah. Of course.
Norm Murdock [:Why would you locate there if you've got to pay these enormous taxes? Of course
Steve Palmer [:you wouldn't.
Norm Murdock [:To ensure all your, you know It's
Steve Palmer [:the same thing happened. So pretty soon you have to build walls not to keep people out but keep people
Norm Murdock [:Keep them in. 100%.
Steve Palmer [:And that's what the Soviet
Norm Murdock [:Union And that's what Brexit's vote was all about. Vote was all of it. The people were saying to the to the elites, we've had enough of this. We want Britain for the Britons and the elites, of course, are fighting that tooth and nail.
Steve Palmer [:Yep.
Norm Murdock [:You know, so they're being invaded. So anyway, that Netflix thing. The other thing is, of course, anything hate this is another trope and and this exists in our culture here. Anything where there's hate expressed. So like take the Ku Klux Klan. Right? They hate me. I'm Catholic. They hate me.
Norm Murdock [:I'm dark. They hate blacks, my neighbors.
Steve Palmer [:I mean, I thought they like the Catholics.
Norm Murdock [:No. They hate them.
Steve Palmer [:They hate the Catholics too.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah. They lynched a few. And and they they burned that. The KKK actually burned down the Catholic church in Johnstown, Ohio, believe it or not. They really? Yeah. Down the Catholic church in Johnstown, Ohio, believe it or not. Did they really? Yeah. Back in a 150 years ago.
Norm Murdock [:At any rate, the, any group that the Southern Poverty Law Center would identify as a hate group, they also say that's a right wing group, which is ridiculous. Right. We just had Hamas protesters, which are lefties, on the subway in New York go down the aisle and ask people to produce ID to see which ones are Jewish. Now, that sounds a little bit like the brown shirts.
Steve Palmer [:It sounds a lot like the brown shirt. Well, I mean
Norm Murdock [:I mean, that's identity politics.
Steve Palmer [:It is it is that is a scary thought. Right. Exactly. That's a scary that mob rule is a scary thought.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly right.
Steve Palmer [:Yep. And that crap is going on after
Norm Murdock [:tell me who are the jack booted fascists?
Steve Palmer [:That's right. Well, look. These these regimes always come out of the left. They almost always do. Right? I mean, it it just just how it is. Alright. Well, as we as we keep chugging along through the hour here
Norm Murdock [:Yep. Quick fact out of nowhere, just to make me laugh, I was researching research. Can you believe that I did research on the Beach Boys? Because I heard something about the beach. So I get online, and I'm thinking, oh, they're they're they're all probably from LA or, you know, like, no. Al Jardine of the Beach Boys was born in Lima, Ohio. I'm just gonna throw
Steve Palmer [:that out. Was he really? I didn't know that. When did so he moved out. I thought he was was Jardine the cousin of one of them or he was not the cousin? He was the,
Norm Murdock [:I can't tell you.
Steve Palmer [:I can't remember. One of them was a guy. I don't know the history.
Norm Murdock [:I stopped right there with my research. I'm like, but that's an incredible thing. Lima, Ohio.
Steve Palmer [:But go go listen.
Norm Murdock [:Not a very beachy place.
Steve Palmer [:Go listen to Good Vibrations. Anybody who hasn't done that, listen to it. It's phenomenal.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, that's phenomenal.
Steve Palmer [:It's like it's a wall of it's like the proverbial sixties wall of sound coming at you. Put on the headphones, listen to good vibration.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. That that Brian Wilson was a genius.
Steve Palmer [:I mean, it was, Or is. What's What's interesting? So look, we can break that down a little bit. It's probably worth a discussion because he was a he was a musical genius, but went right before Good Vibrations. He was off the rails. He was doped up. He had mental illness issues. He was sort of cooped up in his own house wearing his bathrobe and just coming up with this crazy
Norm Murdock [:He was a victim of, his father was terrible.
Steve Palmer [:Their their dad was sort of a tyrant.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. He was a tyrant. Kind of like the Jackson 5 dad. A little bit. You know? Can try tried to control their careers.
Steve Palmer [:The business, the career, everything. But he had he had sort of had some bad trips literally on acid, I think, and, you know, sort of went crazy. Yeah. And, was writing all this music and couldn't it it like, it was it was chaos. Yeah. Alright? Yeah. So he had over here, this creative genius who had produced chaos. And then finally, the others come back, and they help him get it together.
Steve Palmer [:Like, the order comes in. And then in the middle is, like, Pet Sounds. And, and Incredible. Like, incredible. Incredible. Incredible. Right. So go listen to Pet Sick.
Steve Palmer [:I mean,
Norm Murdock [:it That that might be one of the best rock albums of all time.
Steve Palmer [:So maybe the point again is that neither extreme is it can function on its own, but somewhere in the middle. And and we have this fracture in the middle of our country right now that doesn't exist, that that we don't have it.
Norm Murdock [:Speaking of fractures, pretty cool decision and and and where how the chips are gonna fall with Leah Thomas, who is a man, masquerading as a female, as we know, a swimmer, you know, won all those swim meets as a man, you know, again, setting all these records in women's swimming in the NC 2A. The IOC has said that he cannot enter the Olympics as a female, athlete. He he if he wants to be in the Olympics, he has to compete as a male. So Riley Gaines famously, like, standing in 2nd place on that dias.
Steve Palmer [:With that smirk on her face, you know.
Norm Murdock [:She's looking up at this guy who's, like, you know, 6, 7 or something and just blew out all these records. And he's getting the 1st place medal and she's getting second. She said, hey, n c 2 a, like, if we're gonna be
Steve Palmer [:Well, she wasn't getting excited. They tied, but he got to he got to have the
Norm Murdock [:She tied with another girl And and they gave the other girl the actual second
Steve Palmer [:No. No. No. I think she tied with him.
Norm Murdock [:No. No. No. He beat her by mega seconds.
Steve Palmer [:Alright.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah. Oh, no. He smoked the records. And she's just looking. So she got she got screwed twice.
Steve Palmer [:To double check that.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. I'm not so
Steve Palmer [:sure about that.
Norm Murdock [:She got screwed twice. She got so so she tied with the other girl. And they gave the other because she was mouthy, the judge gave the other girl the 2nd place ribbon and said, Riley, we'll mail your 2nd place to you later. Yes. But what she what she is saying is the n c two a should change all the record books. So that if the I o IOC says Leah Thomas is a man
Steve Palmer [:She tied with she tied with Leah Thomas.
Norm Murdock [:Okay. Okay.
Steve Palmer [:And then they gave him the they gave him the trophy, and she's like, why does he get that? Exactly. One and he gets to get it. And She's
Norm Murdock [:like Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying.
Steve Palmer [:Why is that? Okay.
Norm Murdock [:Thank thank you for clarifying. But he did set a bunch of new records and all this stuff. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Well, and I think that's a good example of how we're just we're so micro focused on our culture.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:That the Olympic Committee actually looks at it a world you're going this country here's to give you guys a really really focused on this exchange stuff. Yeah. Germany doesn't care. France doesn't care. I mean,
Steve Palmer [:thank you.
Brett Johnson [:We gotta play the whole world
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:I wonder if it's a No.
Steve Palmer [:Look, I think in their words We are so this has been this has been crammed down so I I don't know. It's it's everywhere in our country. It's such this big issue. Where you have to go on lost in the forest. And I think the I think the rest of the world's waking up to this. Yeah. That that look. I
Norm Murdock [:mean, Jordan Peterson lost his license over this.
Steve Palmer [:Cutting people's genitals off Yeah. Is starting to like, people are, like, wait a minute. Maybe Or
Norm Murdock [:even not doing it and and then competing as a as a woman. It's like Just because you wanna pretend.
Steve Palmer [:Maybe this isn't such a good idea. I wonder where that notion came from. Right? So maybe we shouldn't take your 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 year old child and cut off body parts.
Norm Murdock [:Well, what the IOC said in particular in their decision was, so many of the things about your development, about the person you are now, Like, even if you take, hormones later in life like Leah is taking them, her basic his basic skeleton and fat content and muscular development, all the years where he was not taking hormone blockers, right, has resulted in him being if if if you wanna still call him a woman, he's a superwoman that is, you know, like that cake was baked and then after it's baked, he decides he wants to have a different gender. It's not it's not even biologically fair. Forget it.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Like, he didn't even he didn't like, it's not even fair. Like, I get it. What what what could have made it more fair, but not fair? Right. Might have leaned to different directions as if it started earlier. But he started later. Right.
Norm Murdock [:Right. Well, yeah. Right. After after he's already a big, huge, hulking monster, athlete.
Steve Palmer [:So they're not letting him compete in the Olympics and he's not gonna even come close to making the Olympic team for the men. So, you know, that's Right.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Go ahead. Jump in. I saw this. No. It's early in the stages, but I don't know if you've heard this, Steve, and it might affect what you do with upstairs. But Columbus is is proposing a cut a camera surveillance network again.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, god. Good grief.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Now they they from what I read, the details are scant for the security camera network to prevent crime in Columbus, but the concept of it is anything like what cities have done before at least by one study shows it may not prove at all effective. And and it I think it did the example is they did this in Detroit and, yeah. Detroit's surveillance camera network. While officials have yet to offer specific specifics on the plan for Columbus, Detroit launched a camera surveillance network called Project Greenlight, weird, back in 2016.
Steve Palmer [:Or Willian.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Both interesting. Both Columbus police chief Elaine Bryant and first assistant chief, Lashana Potts, were formally with Detroit Police Department. So I'm assuming that
Norm Murdock [:She was a commander.
Brett Johnson [:So the Detroit boasted their surveillance camera program led to a 23% reduction in violent crime. The US Department of Justice Justice, however, found otherwise.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. That's such nonsense.
Brett Johnson [:So they said they had more reported crimes because the cameras caught a lot more. So
Steve Palmer [:No. No. See what happens is Oh my gosh. What happens is they how they I don't know this for sure, but I will ask the questions I would wanna know. I would wanna know how they are classifying violent crime. Is that crime that was prosecuted with convictions? Is it crime that wasn't prosecuted? Did they just not prosecute crimes or was there plea of organs to avoid of an offensive like, there there's so many variables that go into those kind of, I don't know, headline statistics. Yeah. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:That that you have to know. Yeah. Like, it's go ahead.
Brett Johnson [:That way, it's gonna say that it and this may lead to where you're going to. The Detroit's camera system had no statistically significant effects on disorder or violent crime. Of course not. But it did show an effect on deterring property destruction.
Norm Murdock [:Well, I mean, people are committing crimes right in front of the police, so why wouldn't they do it
Brett Johnson [:in front of the camera? You know. I I it just seems this leads back to that to what? 2 episodes ago where we talked to that, you know, Columbus police Yep. And they need 3,000 officers. Is that what he was saying?
Norm Murdock [:They need to 300.
Brett Johnson [:300. Excuse me.
Steve Palmer [:Yep.
Norm Murdock [:If we
Brett Johnson [:had the 300 and paid for that rather than a camera system
Steve Palmer [:We would be far better off.
Brett Johnson [:We'd be far better off.
Steve Palmer [:Because look, in in doing the kind of police work that these guys talk about. Right? Doing the kind of, like, real police work on the streets. I'm not talking, like, taking people down and arresting everybody. I'm talking about, like, being on the street.
Norm Murdock [:Community policing. Community policing.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Right. Where you become sort of, part of the community Yes. And not hated. Right? Not hated. Right. Respected a little bit.
Brett Johnson [:Right. You see him coming down the street and you wanna wave to him.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. So You know, that We
Steve Palmer [:sort of eliminated that. Yes. You know, thanks. Thanks for getting rid of that. Yeah. You know?
Brett Johnson [:But we're gonna put in a, you know, whatever the system? A camera system that is again, I'm sure it's not as expensive as hiring 300 officers. I get it. But it's still an expensive system that they're gonna try. You know, it's gonna they're gonna cut the wires in 3 years. Here's the
Steve Palmer [:thing though. Here's the thing. Do we really wanna live in a society where everything we do is being monitored?
Brett Johnson [:Facial wreck that you do possibly We really want that?
Steve Palmer [:No. I mean, Orwell was writing about this.
Norm Murdock [:Your OnStar
Steve Palmer [:in your
Norm Murdock [:car is, tracking everything you do. We read this
Steve Palmer [:book thinking Yep. No way. And and sadly
Brett Johnson [:This is Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Science fiction. Right? Sadly sadly,
Brett Johnson [:we already have it. I mean, you can go through toll booths, and it and it captures your license plate, and you get the bill.
Norm Murdock [:Your e
Brett Johnson [:I mean
Norm Murdock [:The ECU in your car is in calm with a satellite. Yeah. And these new cars, they know where your
Steve Palmer [:arms are. This. I've said this for my entire once it sort of the light bulb came on for me doing criminal defense work or whatever. It is easy to get rid of crime. Hiller Hiller did it. Yep. All you do is put jackboots on the ground with weapons. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And anybody who steps out of line, you take them out.
Norm Murdock [:A machine gun on every corner.
Steve Palmer [:So look, it's the safest society. It's very easy, but then then you have to worry about the government.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. I mean, Alexa at people's homes, it's listening. Yeah. You know, you can create everything. You can create
Steve Palmer [:a society where there is no zero. The the safest society has zero freedom.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. They're they're stating as long as Columbus's camera network operates simply as a high def version of security cameras that are exist shouldn't be a problem. But if the city starts to rely heavily on facial rec software and or only places cameras in minority neighborhoods, it's gonna be a problem.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And it it
Brett Johnson [:it it it's it's open up a camera.
Steve Palmer [:Where they gonna look. So think about this. First of all, I think about this. That you brought up another interesting point. So I wonder where the cameras were in Detroit Because if if the cameras are purposely not in a minority neighborhood, and and I don't think minority matters, poverty neighborhoods.
Norm Murdock [:Or let's say high crime.
Steve Palmer [:High crime neighborhoods. Yeah. Like, if you don't put cameras in high crime neighborhoods, then guess what's gonna happen?
Norm Murdock [:You won't find it.
Steve Palmer [:There's violent crime is going down.
Brett Johnson [:And it won't justify putting in cameras.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Because violent crime is going down because you're not documenting any of it.
Norm Murdock [:The other thing is just general government incompetence. So like you take like we had this we have still an Avalaunch of of, of intel data that goes into the NSA and the CIA. And, like, it'll be 8 years after 9:11 or some some big huge or the bombing in Boston. Right? They'll finally get somebody to actually look at the tape. Right? Because they have so much coming in. Just this, you know, just just just this tidal wave of information.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, now that AI.
Norm Murdock [:In this video, it'll be it'll be the same way. Like, they they won't proactively do anything with this video. It'll just be like, oh, we happen to have a picture of a carjacking.
Steve Palmer [:So so then the question is, can they do anything proactive with the video? And when they do, what's the purpose behind it?
Norm Murdock [:Minority report.
Steve Palmer [:Anybody thinks. So here's the thing. All of this crap makes perfect sense. Arm the government, create a perfectly free society, and the only people that you that that, can carry weapons are government agents and actors. Overall It's all awesome except they're human and they can be criminals too.
Norm Murdock [:We'll roll out Tom Cruise. Right? And Sylvester Stallone. Judge Dredd. Right? Well, him move on. Yes. Right. Sounds like Fauci. Speaking of speaking of guys with bad accents.
Norm Murdock [:So the Fauch, it has come out now with Fauch. The Fauch.
Steve Palmer [:The Fauch. It's like the Fawns.
Brett Johnson [:I'm we did not fund that research in Wuhan.
Norm Murdock [:So the Fauch, it has come out now that the NI the National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, NIAID, that he headed. It's now come out that they not only planned, approved, but actually conducted, gain of function research on monkeypox to develop a different strain that's that has a 15% mortality rate. And had that gotten out like COVID 19, you know, I mean, basically, this guy should be he should be locked up because he has perjured himself before Congress.
Steve Palmer [:Why are
Brett Johnson [:we creating this stuff that will kill humanity?
Norm Murdock [:Dude, I don't get it. Because it's too
Brett Johnson [:dark. What is so weird?
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:Why? Doctor evil, you know? Right. He's like, why do this?
Brett Johnson [:Just because you can do it. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Like, there there's there's a fascinating philosophical debate here. It's like like, how far do we go in this direction? You know? Like, what like, are we gonna create the perfect human? Are we gonna create the perfect you know, it's like, how far do you go, tinkering with this kind of stuff? And and then Fauci, like, they they found it so important that they lied, hit it. Yeah. Right. Like, it's and and look, I money, power, and, ego always those are my I always said, like, everybody's dick everybody like, that's almost behind all this stuff. Money, power, ego in some capacity of each one. Sure.
Norm Murdock [:So in today's New York Times, today's that June July or June 14th, today's New York Times, Big article about the origins of COVID. Now now that would have gotten you deplatformed. Course.
Steve Palmer [:3 years ago. We were down here in the studio thinking, are they gonna not let us have
Norm Murdock [:our podcast Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:For saying stuff like that. You know, did it
Norm Murdock [:come from the lab?
Steve Palmer [:Oh, don't
Brett Johnson [:say that.
Steve Palmer [:You can't
Norm Murdock [:say that?
Brett Johnson [:God, don't say that.
Steve Palmer [:Norm, people were chastising me for this. Like, I was getting chastised for this. And all I was doing was asking questions. Like, it just doesn't make any sense to me
Norm Murdock [:that this just emerged. Steve, you're such a weirdo. Of course, it
Steve Palmer [:came from a wet market. Or we have a pandemic of of ignorant, unvaccinated douchebags. I mean, you
Norm Murdock [:MAGA people.
Steve Palmer [:MAGA people. It's like It's
Norm Murdock [:like they conflated that with MAGA. It's like, what's that got to do with Trump? Nothing.
Steve Palmer [:Like a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
Norm Murdock [:Thinking it came out of the lab have to do with Trump? 0.
Steve Palmer [:A friend of mine, a lawyer friend of mine actually made a post. I saved it, and I've got it. And, you know, I'm not gonna mention his name. But, you know, he was he was saying, well, look, fine. These people don't wanna get vaccinated. Let Darwin take over. You know, he's like, just kill him then. You know, they'll just die and that'll be where the society will be better.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And he believed that shit.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. He thinks it's great. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Think how much that parallels, like, the ideology we've been talking about for the last 45 minutes.
Norm Murdock [:Well, think of the flip right there with AIDS. So so Oh,
Steve Palmer [:that's right.
Norm Murdock [:Right. Oh, you know, they used to say when some of the southern bible thumper preachers would say, well, AIDS is God's revenge on homosexuality. Well, our good friends on COVID were
Steve Palmer [:saying the
Norm Murdock [:same damn thing.
Steve Palmer [:Yep. Except it was Darwin's revenge. Right. They just do supplanted Darwin with God or God with Darwin.
Norm Murdock [:And they did not have the dignity or presence of mind to to realize how hypocritical they were. I mean, you know, we we, you and I, people like us, were just interested in the scientific reality. We're asking questions to try to learn what the truth is and that's dangerous now. It's dangerous. People want to know the truth.
Steve Palmer [:To me. And look, I I I stand in front of juries all the time.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Folks, use your common sense. Just use your common sense. We all have it. I don't care what your IQ is. Right. I don't care what your background is. I don't care what your job is, your education. None of it matters to me because we all have this gift.
Steve Palmer [:And it's called common sense. There's a rhythm to the truth. These are the arguments I make in court all the time. There's a rhythm to the truth. It it it makes sense. There's a reason we like Bach. There's a reason we like music. There's a reason like, whether it's rap music, there's a certain beat that we all sort of fall in step with.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And there's a rhythm to this stuff in our world. And however you believe it was created, that it exists.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. That's that's like your instincts. I mean, I remember when Jon Stewart was on the Jimmy Kimmel Show and he first rolled out like, he gave the entire country permission to talk about the lab leak theory. And why was that? It was because he being a progressive himself, John Stewart, was like, of course, it came from the lab.
Steve Palmer [:Like like Because it made sense.
Norm Murdock [:It's called the Wuhan Institute of Virology. We're funding it.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Don't go anywhere.
Norm Murdock [:That's the only place COVID was being
Steve Palmer [:the droids you're looking for.
Norm Murdock [:Right. And it's like it's like, gee whiz it. That's
Brett Johnson [:really interesting.
Steve Palmer [:I was down here in this very studio with this roundtable with our cohorts talking about this stuff and, like you said, looking for the truth.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Like, the the who are the doctors that came out early on? And so this it's like you're listening to them, like, makes a lot of sense.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. It
Steve Palmer [:makes a lot of sense what they're saying. Right. So I'd like to know more of that. So I started to go down this rabbit hole. And then then the farther you go down it, the more they're chastising. And then the more sort of it's like the more that I learned, the more they wanted me not to read it.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly. They got more and more upset to the point they were deplatforming and sending FBI agent Elvis Chan to go talk to, you know, Silicon Valley. And I think it was government action because they were threatening to take away. They were threatening to take away those protections on the Internet.
Steve Palmer [:That's right.
Norm Murdock [:Unless they played ball and deplatform those doctors you're talking about.
Brett Johnson [:Right. You know, it's pretty amazing though in just that short of time. It feels like a long time, but
Norm Murdock [:3 3 years It feels like
Brett Johnson [:we now, you know, a major newspaper is doing an article on it. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:I mean After making fun of That's
Brett Johnson [:pretty amazing if you think about it because it's it's it's not 10 years later. It's which has always bothered me is, like, when are we going to learn from this situation?
Norm Murdock [:Well, it should have been.
Brett Johnson [:There is to be learned truthfully, are we going to because it's not being talked about?
Norm Murdock [:It should have been a topic in real time. Oh, for sure. It should have been a topic just like when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The same day people would say, woah. It was the Japanese. It wasn't some random air force that just happened to accidentally bomb the island. Look. People were allowed to talk about it and it was and we were effectively bombed biologically by a virus and people should have been allowed to talk about the origins.
Steve Palmer [:So many From there.
Norm Murdock [:So many
Steve Palmer [:levels to the corruption in this.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, it's
Steve Palmer [:So many levels.
Norm Murdock [:That that
Steve Palmer [:it's just the
Brett Johnson [:only thing that
Steve Palmer [:made sense to me is that
Norm Murdock [:the government was inviting this thing. Yeah. They wanted to hide it.
Steve Palmer [:And and then you have to only ask why.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly. Hide their tracks.
Steve Palmer [:You only have to ask why.
Norm Murdock [:And, I They out source this dangerous warfare type of of bioweapon research to our mortal enemies.
Steve Palmer [:And then the The Chinese. And then
Norm Murdock [:What is that about?
Steve Palmer [:Then the fascist mandates dictates
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:From the government on what we could do with our on our freedoms Yeah. In the name of protecting us from the bullshit that they created.
Norm Murdock [:And and and Fauci, last week, he he admitted. He they just shot from that. They were making it up.
Steve Palmer [:Making it up.
Brett Johnson [:Making it up.
Steve Palmer [:The 6th The 6th and not what this am the science.
Brett Johnson [:I am the science.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. So, anyway, the, little gun news, Some of it's Ohio based, but, a federal judge, vacated the ATF rule on, on braces. Mhmm. That that just happened.
Steve Palmer [:Gotta go up further.
Norm Murdock [:The, the again, the New York Times did this front page, story on crime shootings in Columbus, Ohio. That was back on May 20th. We talked about it with the FOP guys when they came in a little bit. But of news lately is the Buckeye Institute, has sued, and is a plaintiff in a case involving this municipal preemption. And, they want to see cities like Columbus, which have the separate lawsuit, trying to get the Supreme Court Ohio Supreme Court, to rule whether or not the legislature has the right to step on home rule legislation at the city level where the city wants to restrict gun rights. And, the state legislature has said no, cities don't have that right. So well, there's gonna be this big fight in front of the Ohio Supreme Court at some point on that issue and the Buckeye Institute versus the City of Columbus. So that's coming up.
Steve Palmer [:Hold on. Along those Go ahead. Along those lines, there's another case. So look. I mean, there's that stuff going on, but that's that's not really gun law. That's more like, preemption and supremacy. It could be about other topics. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:That that that is a broader But
Norm Murdock [:it happens to be in this case.
Steve Palmer [:It happens to be with guns in this case. Yeah. But as far as guns go, so just a quick breakdown on this. There's a case that came out of, the US Supreme Court called Bruen, b r u e n, I think. Yep. Yep. And, you know, that sort of changed the landscape of this. We're now and when we're evaluating laws, regulating, or prosecuting, gun possession ownership and use, then we have to look at the history, text, and tradition of the second amendment, which a lot of legal scholars are saying is absurd.
Steve Palmer [:And to some extent, that might be true. But it is what it is now. We have it.
Norm Murdock [:Well, it's original intent.
Steve Palmer [:It's the original intent, but, you know, a lot of stuff is gonna emerge that the original intenders had no intent to do anything with. So, anyway, we'll we'll tackle those problems when they come. But the history text and tradition analysis is now being applied, I think, in a positive way. I'm not saying the outcome of this is is bad. But
Norm Murdock [:I'm an original tent guy.
Steve Palmer [:The, and and I am too, to some extent, there's gonna have to be some breaks in it. But at any rate, that's a bigger that'll be a far bigger debate. But what's happening around Ohio is in around the country, is our challenges to gun laws that we have all sort of taken as normal.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. So for
Steve Palmer [:instance, there's a crime in Ohio and elsewhere called weapons under disability. So disability would be if you have say, a prior felony conviction or you have been adjudicated as a with a mental illness or maybe you're under a civil protection order. These are disabilities and disabilities mean that you can't possess, own, or use a firearm or possess or use a firearm. You can still own 1.
Norm Murdock [:Like the case we had, we discussed about the felons and the, the federal court saying, hey, in our district, in our circuit, we rule
Steve Palmer [:That's right.
Norm Murdock [:That that there's no disability, just because you're a convicted felon.
Steve Palmer [:And that's what Ohio there's a case out of the 5th District in Ohio. I can't remember the name of the caption, but I can we can post it up if we need to. But there was a case out of the 5th district court of appeals in Ohio, I think out of Delaware County Yeah. That basically upheld or struck down a conviction, I think on a weapons under disability where somebody had a prior conviction or some disability. And so now the second amendment is sort of emergent. This litigation is starting to emerge. And and those I always tell people, I told people with COVID, I told people with guns and all this stuff, give it time, man. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Like, the common law has evolved over 100 and 100 of years. Yeah. And we don't have an exact common law system anymore, but it still it still functions that way. Courts have to take individual factual scenarios
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And apply it.
Steve Palmer [:Issue an opinion on it, Develop a rule for that scenario. And then the next quarter, maybe push it a little bit more.
Norm Murdock [:Push it a
Steve Palmer [:little bit more. And then the legislative branch will come in and try to do something. I mean, it'll it'll find its winding way Yeah. To the right end, I think, ultimately. So that's starting to happen.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Yeah. Did you hear? So yesterday, Trump was talking to GOP legislators and one of his throwaway lines. Exactly on your topic, Steve, was that well, it's kind of a shame president Biden has already said he's not gonna commute or pardon his son. Because if I'm reelected, I'm gonna pardon her because every because that's not a disability. Traditionally. There's no disability. It says a drunk can't have a gun.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Is it drunk can't use a gun? But he there's no disability back in the time of the, when the second amendment was adopted. There wasn't any tradition that nonviolent felons, who are out of prison. Obviously, can't have a gun when they're in prison. But once they're out of prisons, nothing says they can't have a gun. Nothing that says a drug addict or a drunk can't have a gun. And so so Trump said he would pardon on her. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And I mean, hey, come on, Steve. That is that's both gorgeous and funny.
Brett Johnson [:There's so many levels to that, though, too. It's like, oh my god.
Norm Murdock [:It's brilliant politics.
Steve Palmer [:It's brilliant politics.
Brett Johnson [:Well, in my prediction too, if I do a midterm prediction, if if Biden loses the election, he will pardon his son.
Steve Palmer [:I think so. Oh my god.
Brett Johnson [:Why why the hell wouldn't you?
Norm Murdock [:What do you mean? Here's him. Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:I'll give you one more. Here's why he wouldn't he won't even know he's doing it. Well,
Norm Murdock [:he probably probably
Brett Johnson [:the point.
Norm Murdock [:But here's why He will if
Brett Johnson [:he loses the election. He'll he'll But here
Norm Murdock [:here's why he wouldn't. He he would probably he'd probably talk to Trump, and Trump probably tell him, I'll do
Steve Palmer [:it. Maybe. Maybe. Okay. Because
Norm Murdock [:Trump was Trump said he would do it. Do do
Brett Johnson [:you think they even have that converse have conversations
Norm Murdock [:like this? I think Trump can have conversations with people. Well, yeah, like little Kim in North Korea.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, he called him little rocket man for 3 years.
Brett Johnson [:Well, I should say if Biden would approach Trump
Norm Murdock [:and ask him I think they could work it out. Okay. Absolutely.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, that's interesting. Okay. If if Hunter even gets any type
Norm Murdock [:of It would be better if a different president party For
Brett Johnson [:it would be it would be pretty amazing. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's a different side of him that I don't think anybody would have recognized that he has. Trump? The Trump may not you know, the the Trump haters.
Steve Palmer [:So Trump haters. Trump
Norm Murdock [:haters. Trump campaign for a year on lock her up. Right? Yeah. He never went after his political enemies. He didn't go after Hillary. No. No. No.
Norm Murdock [:And a lot of people were pissed off at Trump for not For not. Right. Because she violated the national security laws. Little sailors and marines and soldiers Well,
Steve Palmer [:now
Norm Murdock [:all went to Leavenworth for shit that was way less than what she did.
Steve Palmer [:I don't think Trump
Norm Murdock [:let her off the hook.
Steve Palmer [:I don't think Trump is going after any of these people. And No. I don't think Trump said they wouldn't have a new what was it,
Norm Murdock [:No. He said, I I don't have time for that.
Brett Johnson [:But it's it's
Steve Palmer [:Well, he made he made a comment, which I thought was sort of the it was a politically, I guess, strategic comment to make. Yeah. That you I think he said it's gotta stop somewhere.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:You gotta stop the seesaw here. You know, just because they went after me, I can't go after that. It's like and I don't know if he really believes that. If he,
Norm Murdock [:he's upset about if Biden on the ballot. If he's just
Steve Palmer [:trying to it's it's He's a bigger man. It if he's legitimately trying to be the bigger man or it's just politically advantageous for him to take that position, I don't care what the motive is. Right. It's it's the
Norm Murdock [:right it is a right now and the other the other right thing that corollary to that would be I'm going to appoint an attorney general and and that attorney general will hopefully, you know, I'll insist that follow the constitution. And if there should be charges filed, like there should have been on Hunter's tax evasion.
Steve Palmer [:Right? The gun charge for Hunter, I think, is weak.
Norm Murdock [:It is weak. Of course, it's weak.
Steve Palmer [:I I defend cases all the time. Of course, it's weak. That crime is committed
Norm Murdock [:He'll get a light sentence.
Steve Palmer [:Every single Saturday advances gunshot.
Norm Murdock [:Of course, it is.
Steve Palmer [:Nobody is gonna go in there and say
Norm Murdock [:I'm a drug addict.
Steve Palmer [:Addicted to alcohol. I'm a drug addict.
Brett Johnson [:Exactly. Right.
Steve Palmer [:You're not gonna say nobody does. Right? These are these are pro formative questions. When you get your
Brett Johnson [:annual he was your annual with your doctor. They ask you, are you smoking? Are you doing drugs? Like,
Steve Palmer [:well need to find that.
Brett Johnson [:He was even your doctor, you lied.
Norm Murdock [:He was he was dumb enough to leave his laptop at an Apple shop, and he was dumb enough to write an autobiography that self incriminated him.
Steve Palmer [:The people who get charged with crimes like that, the people are getting targeted for crimes like that. Right? So or there's something else. They don't want them to have guns. So I have people all the time who have some mental health issues. So the the prosecutors start looking for reasons to grab their guns.
Norm Murdock [:Well, you remember
Steve Palmer [:Maybe rightfully so.
Norm Murdock [:What you remember stack. You remember the the plea agreement that that judge threw out. Well, sure. Right. Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:That was covered for a huge bigger problem.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:And and none of it has anything to do with the
Norm Murdock [:the the credit ratings. That David Weiss, the special prosecutor, he let those tax cases, the the statute of limitations toll
Steve Palmer [:Yep.
Norm Murdock [:To to and that let Hunter off. All those tax cases
Steve Palmer [:Which is really the gateway to corruption.
Norm Murdock [:Which is
Steve Palmer [:The money laundering in the car.
Norm Murdock [:How did that money get to Joe Biden?
Steve Palmer [:That's right. So all the discovery would have led directly to that. That's right. Yeah. So look. Alright. We're getting close to the end here.
Norm Murdock [:We talk a lot about, illegal immigration. To that point. Chris Wray, director of the FBI, has been testifying for a year now that it's never been more dangerous for, seeds of terrorism in the US. Last week, the FBI raids, raided 3 different cities and took down a ring of over 20 Tajikistan, terror sleeper cell people. That's a tip of the iceberg, man. We've got 10,000,000 Biden illegal immigrants in the country. Estimated 1 and a half 1000000 of those are gotaways. So we have zero documentation on them.
Norm Murdock [:The the 911 commission, their recommendation that we tighten up the border has been completely ignored. And we are in for it, man. There is gonna No. That's right. There's gonna be something or or this continual trickle of Hamas violence, you know, will be mimicked by these other terrorist cells that are certainly here. I mean, we we we've got people of the Chinese army for sure are in this country. Unaccompanied males of military age, all dressed identically, same shoes, same little backpack coming across the Mexican border. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:It's unbelievable.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. Well, with that, we're gonna wrap it up. We got Common Sense, Ohio coming at you each and every week. Wrapping up this week, flag day. It is a grand old flag, a high flying flag. I don't know the words.
Norm Murdock [:John Phillips, Susan Mark. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Yep. Anyway, flag day, June 14, July 4, right around the corner always from flag day. Enjoy your Father's Day, folks. You know, as much as we, as much as I sort of say it's unnecessary, maybe, at least a good day to spend with your family.
Norm Murdock [:It's supposed to be in the nineties. So stay hydrated.
Steve Palmer [:Stay hydrated. With your favorite brew. Yeah. Mine's like, Or iced tea.
Brett Johnson [:Orange tea.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. My mine's like seltzer water into these days. But, anyway, so, enjoy the family. Common sense ohioshow.com coming at you each and every week brought to you by Harper Plus, accounting right from the middle at least until now.
