Laura and Xhafer reminisce about Myspace and OSHA violations. Laura makes a book-burning exception. Xhafer declares his presidential platform. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 16: Dirty Hands.

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You.

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We're a reasonably well done sci-fi watch

cast hosted by two former strangers.

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Now friends who were a little

bit more awake than last week.

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I'm Tfe.

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Laura: And I am Laura.

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Xhafer: And uh, we're here,

we're talking about season

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three, episode 16 of 2000 four's.

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Battlestar Galactica.

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Dirty Hands.

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There has to be a song

named Dirty Hands, right?

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I feel like I should have done

maybe a modicum of research

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before we started recording.

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Whoops.

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Laura: There's gotta be a bunch, right?

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cause there's so many ways you can

take the phrase dirty hands as we

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have two in this episode at least.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Dirty Hands.

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There's a song by the Black Lips,

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Laura: okay.

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Xhafer: and then Kendra Dantes has

one called Dirty Hands, gone Mad.

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Laura: Mm mm

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Xhafer: named Dirty Hands.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: They have a combined 2000, some

listens on two albums, it looks like,

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: I'm guessing.

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There's a punk vibe.

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Laura: it feels very punky.

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Xhafer: They've got one album called One

Hand, two Hands, clean Hand, dirty Hands.

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They've gotten ex uh, brain freeze.

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No.

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Me, Newports.

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I hope that they're a punk band.

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I'm not gonna listen to

'em to find out though.

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Laura: I'm not gonna throw any stones

in the low number of listens house.

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Xhafer: Yeah, right.

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The room we have,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Good for you guys.

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Xhafer: I don't say it to shame them.

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I say it to just like, this is a,

this is a garage band of some variety.

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Laura: Yeah, sure.

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Xhafer: they're doing their

recordings for funsies.

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They're not

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: touring, I guess.

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I don't know.

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I don't even know what

the analog would be.

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I don't think MySpace told us how many

listens we got back when I was like

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in a band that was able to get played

on the radio and do two, like we did.

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We never left the state really,

but like do like, probably like a

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hundred some shows over two years.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: So there's lots of shows.

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And I, I have no idea what that

was like, like from a listen's

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perspective, what that would be.

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'cause that was before any of this stuff.

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Anyways,

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Laura: Man.

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Thinking back to those days.

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Xhafer: yeah, man, I spent today doing

research on moving my entire computing

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ecosystem off of Windows and onto Linux.

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'cause I'm so sick of this

shit from Microsoft right now.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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My dad did a Linux computer.

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Xhafer: the Spotifys and the,

the Google Musics of the world.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I was thinking the other day about

just like how many pictures I have

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of my children compared to how many

pictures my parents had of me, just

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because I have a camera in my pocket

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: and like, I don't even have any of

my pictures from my, when I was little.

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Did your parents give you any of yours?

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Do you have any little GE

running around your house?

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Xhafer: I, there are a

couple photos that I have.

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My mom still has most of them.

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But having recently sold her house

and kind of downsized her life a

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ton, I actually within the last

three months got several photo albums

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that were my grandparents, where

there are childhood photos of me,

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Laura: Nice

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Xhafer: that actually I haven't really

gone through yet because I'm waiting

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for my uncle and one of my cousins

to get together of his generation

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: so that we can all go

through them together and kind

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of decide who's getting what.

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Laura: Sure.

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Yeah.

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That's neat.

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Xhafer: will be in that mix too, I'm

sure, but she probably won't want

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anything because that's her way.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: She surprised me a couple of times

here and there by wanting to sentimental

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photo, but it is always a surprise

when she desires something like that.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yeah, no, I don't, my parents haven't

shoved any pictures at me yet.

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I've gotten other boxes of

stuff, but not any pictures yet.

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And my mom had, did I tell you this story?

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She had a like charcoal drawing of

me done from an artist in the, St.

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Louis Square in New Orleans.

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Like I sat there for, I don't know, it

was probably like three hours of this

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person doing a charcoal drawing of me.

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'cause it was really detailed and nice.

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This was like when I was a teenager

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: and she gifted that

to Erin when we got married.

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Xhafer: Aw, that's cute.

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Laura: It's, it's cute, but it's also

like now I have this very large charcoal

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portrait in a very nice frame of

myself just hanging by my dining table.

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'cause we don't know

what else to do with it.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I would suggest spare room.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I think spare room's

the best place for that

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Laura: I mean, that's this room, so

you wanna see it in the wall behind me?

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Xhafer: well, it's really like, it's

just to remind guests where they're

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at in the middle of the night, they

wake up, they see your giant charcoal

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drawing, they're like, oh, I'm at Laura's.

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That's right.

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Back asleep.

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I don't know if anyone else

wakes up not knowing where they

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are, if it's not their bedroom.

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Sometimes

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Laura: I think that's everybody.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: is my bedroom, sometimes I

will say that's something that left me

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when I traveled for work, I got used

to it after maybe four or five months

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of traveling consistently for work.

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I did that for five years and

it took a solid five or six

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years before that came back.

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Laura: Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Anyways.

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Laura: no, I would like to see more little

photos of little me now that I have so

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many of my children, but eh, the day

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Xhafer: we gonna talk

about that next episode?

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Laura: we picked the wrong intro.

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Xhafer: We did, we did.

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It's fine.

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Um,

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Laura: Yeah, it's fine.

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I don't, I mean, I don't have really

like any, um, OSHA violation experience

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to share with the people, which I feel

would be the intro for this episode.

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Well, you've already told

your OSHA stories for

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Xhafer: I've, I've got a ton of

OSHA stories, I'm sure I've got

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OSHA stories I haven't told.

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Um, there was one time I

was moving a soda aisle.

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I wanna say I was moving about

24 feet of two liters and cans

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and all of it was still on there.

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We got the entire aisle up

on skates to move it around

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Laura: Fun.

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Xhafer: and while we were moving it.

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So steel shelving, right?

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You've got the uprights, which

are the big posts in the center.

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Those are what hold the shelves in.

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At the bottom of the uprights, you

have feet that are like I-beam style.

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They're not thick like I-beams,

but they're like miniature little

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I-beams that hold the whole thing up

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and keep it upright.

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They keep the upright upright.

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Um, and while we were moving this

aisle, one of them collapsed and

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folded under itself under the its

own weight because we're, we're

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moving this, it's full of soda.

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This is a very heavy aisle,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: and we had to have three

guys brace that section of it to

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get it up off the ground enough to

remove the foot and put a new one on.

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I'm sure that was an OSHA violation.

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That was, that was dangerous

work there for a minute because

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that was, that's crushy weight.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: there's, there, I

probably haven't told that one.

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Laura: but nobody was maimed

in the changing of the aisles.

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Xhafer: I never had to

take anyone to urgent care,

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Laura: Good, good.

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Xhafer: any set I ever did, and the

only person who ever got hurt enough

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to need workman's comp on any reset or

any remodel I ever did over 10 years

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of doing that professionally was me.

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And it was me being dumb and I.

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Tweaked my back real bad while picking

up the five gallon jugs of paint.

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We were doing a paint remodel.

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We were doing one a night every night

for two months, and I was moving one

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of 'em and I had one in both hands

and I went to like grab a third or

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something and I was just moving too much.

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And the way I just like tweaked

everything, threw my back

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out of alignment real bad.

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And I went on workman's comp for

like two weeks for a back injury

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and had to go to a chiropractor and

get x-rays and all kinds of stuff.

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And that's the only injury though.

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And

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Laura: That's good.

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Xhafer: like I said, my own fault

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Laura: I do not know how many injuries

there have been at this tillium refiner.

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It is not looking good

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Xhafer: sure.

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I mean, we see one,

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: no one stops to ask

Gaywood what radicalized him.

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We all see it.

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You don't have to ask.

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Laura: Right?

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Xhafer: but yeah uh, we

can get into this episode.

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It's season three, episode 16.

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Dirty Hands.

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We open on the knuckle Draggers

complaining about being

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overworked and underappreciated.

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As Celick rolls in with a laundry

delivery, we find that she's

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been trying to become a pilot,

aced the exam she had to take,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: but her role in her ability

to repair avionics is irreplaceable.

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So she was turned down for advancement.

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She's delivering laundry.

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Laura: I wondered if we were going a

place with this, that Tyrell's, the

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one who said, no, no, I need her here.

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But that doesn't, doesn't

seem to be explored at all.

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Xhafer: he, he kind of like refers to

like, Hey, you know, like you are iPlay.

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Like he sounds a little

guilty when he talks to her

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Laura: yeah, he's like, you're

my best avionics person.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And maybe it is Tyrell who

at first doesn't wanna let her go.

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I wish that had been a little

bit more explicit rather than

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just like, oh, the bureaucracy.

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But I, I was like, hmm, I feel like it's

probably, you know, you talk to the new

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manager, you talk to the old manager

and you say, what do you guys think?

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And it new manager can be like,

yeah, I'd love to have him on board.

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But old manager's like, nah,

I can't lose this person.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Then these things

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Xhafer: One of the best pieces of

business advice, career advice I ever got

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is no one irreplaceable gets promoted.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: That has been so

fucking true my entire career.

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And why I always have someone that

I'm training to do my job, whether or

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not it's my job to train someone to

do my job because there will, there's

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always an obvious replacement for me.

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So that way, when it's time for someone

to step up, I am the clear choice.

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A hundred percent.

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That's how you do it, y'all.

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That's business, life, trust.

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Laura: Yep.

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But people don't like to do that

because they're like, oh, if I

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can be essential, then I'm safe.

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And it's like, well, you know,

no one's ever really safe, so,

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Xhafer: one, no one is, no.

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If they're gonna let you go,

they're gonna let you go.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: you know that ex be swinging.

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Laura: yeah.

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I was like, man.

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If, if I was running Galactica,

which obviously that would

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be a poor choice because

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uh,

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Xhafer: I mean,

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Laura: not

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Xhafer: wanna do it.

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Laura: not equipped, but a decision

I would make right away, just like

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with the existing knowledge that I

have, would be like everybody needs to

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cross train with everybody right now.

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I need somebody who's been

backing up Selix for like 12

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weeks already learning avionics.

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Like, and then if she wants to

go be pilot, like hey fine, we've

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got this cross-trained person.

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Like, 'cause we do need pilots

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: unquestionable.

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Like we're gonna need them.

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So

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Xhafer: Do you need pilots?

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Like you need a couple to do Raptor stuff?

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For

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Laura: Yeah.

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Well you need vipers

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Xhafer: What?

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What do the Vipers actually do in this

story besides B targets for Raiders

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that never make it to the fleet?

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Laura: I mean, they shoot

down some things too.

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Xhafer: Well, it's just like most, I'm

just saying most of the time the Vipers.

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Are there to be a plot device for drama

and not to serve a strategic purpose

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Laura: Stop.

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Xhafer: the guns and the

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Laura: the next episode.

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Stop,

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Xhafer: everything around it.

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Well, no, no.

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Just like from a tactics perspective,

Galactica defends itself against

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small ships very, very well.

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It blows the shit out of 'em all the time.

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There's just this field of things that's

so dangerous that the raptors literally

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can't, the vipers can't land on the

ship unless they stop firing shit.

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Like that's how dangerous it is.

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They have to stop to let them land.

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They, and when they launch their launch

tubes are designed to get them away

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from the ship as fast as possible.

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Not to get them towards an

enemy, but to get them into the

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safety out of the danger area.

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That is the immediate surrounding

bit of the ship that is just

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all bullets all the time.

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Right.

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Like.

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What the fuck do fight pilots actually do?

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I think it's a less essential job.

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I say cut 'em all.

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That's gonna be my platform when I

run for president of the 12 colonies.

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Laura: Okay.

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I have a bad feeling about the position of

president of the 12 colonies, so go ahead.

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Xhafer: Oh, I don't want that job.

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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Mean neither.

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Mean, neither.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why we're

doing each other's laundry

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: in, in these jobs.

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That seems weird to me.

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Xhafer: I mean, it seems like it's

one laundry delivery and not laundry.

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Laura: Unclear.

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'cause somebody does make a joke about

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Xhafer: How she folds the undies?

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Well, that's the thing is I don't think

anyone's actually doing any of that.

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Like the only way you can do laundry

at this scale is to have the clothes

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bag that everything is in, be washable.

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Everyone puts their stuff in their labeled

bag, it all gets washed inside of said bag

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and then gets thrown back at

them when it's been dried.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Or it's all like microwaved

or dry cleaned in some way.

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Laura: Hear me out.

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I think maybe laundry might

be a good job for Cali.

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It's so safe, man.

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Xhafer: I just feel like this is, like

someone has from each group has to go

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get their laundry and you just have

someone run and grab it, who know?

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And it's someone who works in that

department and knows everyone's name,

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so they can just hand them their bag

and they can move on with their day.

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Laura: Yeah, and I could see Celick baby

getting stuck in this more than others if

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like her specialty is avionics and that's

not something that breaks all the time.

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Xhafer: Yeah, if you're, if you're very

good at repairing things like we hear, she

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is hypothetically, you'd be working less

because your shit would break less often.

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Laura: Well, and, and if it's a

specialty area that doesn't break as

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much as say, just like the general, I

don't know, fuel lines or something.

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Fuel lines always be breaking,

but the avionics are little

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fiddly things that, that don't

always get jammed up or whatever.

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Yeah.

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So that uh, has sea looks

pretty upsetting spaghetti to

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: this off.

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But they were fueling up a raptor

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: in all of this,

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Xhafer: For racetrack and bones.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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I didn't, didn't recognize this person.

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Xhafer: Racetrack.

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She's been around.

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Laura: the other one.

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Xhafer: Oh, bones.

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Yeah.

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I think he's new.

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Laura: Okay.

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Their Raptor experience is a bang.

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they're out of control engines on fire.

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They eject, but, oh no.

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It's headed straight to Colonial one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's like, you know, I always think

of Glee for this shot, but there's a

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bunch of TV shows that do this shot

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of the car accident.

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Laura: Uhhuh

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Xhafer: The, like, you have

like the, you're like the,

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your side view of the driver.

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Right.

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And you see them looking ahead and you,

and we see the car barreling towards them,

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but they don't one of those, it felt

like that only in space and outside.

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Laura: yes.

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'cause Rosalyn's just like signing her

papers and she looks up and there's like

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a spinning thing headed to the window.

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Yeah, it was very good.

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Xhafer: But yeah, that's

the uh, we get that to theme

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survivor count 41,402 births.

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Laura: sure.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We come back from theme to see the

damage being inspected as Rosalyn

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note, she's gonna have to like,

sleep in the records room now.

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And Adam is all like, I got

bed for you if you want it.

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As he like says it in a, like, well,

all the beds on the ship are his,

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you know, kind of a way, but realizes

what he actually said a moment later.

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And it's just like, in a,

in a manner of speaking,

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Laura: yep.

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This is cute.

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I love that.

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The scene where like we've got all

the boxes, we're moving all the shit

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because we're moving to the other

part of the ship and I was like,

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this is the same part of the ship.

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We just put a bunch of boxes in it to

make it look like it's a different place.

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But it's the same thing,

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Xhafer: Lest we forget.

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We saw in the miniseries that Colonial

One has a massive cargo hold where

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leaf fit not only like a raptor and

it looked minuscule, but also like

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that giant EEMP weapon and stuff.

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That that was a massive room

that we will never see again.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're just gonna scoot everybody down,

you know, from first class to business,

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to economy or whatever, you know?

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Xhafer: Well, it's just like

we see through the, like the

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windows on Colonial One, right?

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Like it's like airplane wide, but there's

also this room that's just fucking

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unbelievably large in the cargo hole.

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That's some Dr.

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Who, shit.

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Laura: Yep.

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It's, it's just under there.

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It's under the thing, you

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: when they, when they had

to like, attach and drill in

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because they were about to coup

Roslyn, they came in through there.

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That's why it took so long.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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It's just the raw time to get through it.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Xhafer: They discussed the Bad Tillium

and the captain of that ship, Zeno Fenner.

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That's a A Star Wars

name if I've heard one

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Laura: That's a Star Wars name.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: Wars name.

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About how he's constantly sending them

emails that they ignore Rosalyn's.

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Like every morning I come into 10

messages on teams from him that's

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like, Hey, we're literally dying

over here for our space oil refiner.

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Please don't ignore me.

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And Adam is all like, I haven't

opened team since before the attack.

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Laura: Yes.

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Very much so.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: I, I totally.

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Empathize with thinner and

the tillium refiner's plight.

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I really do.

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But it is kind of funny to be mad

about overtime at the end of the world.

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Xhafer: Are they still doing monies?

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Laura: I mean, it kind of sounds like it.

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I don't know.

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They want benefits and, and of

course you don't have to have

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money for benefits, right?

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You can be getting something,

anything out of it.

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And I think we do come up with

some compromises throughout

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this episode, so that's good.

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but yeah, it is just kind of silly when

you think about, they're like doing a

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work stoppage and it's like, okay, but

if the silos catch us during a period

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where we have no fuel, we're all dead.

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So like, I don't know what to tell you.

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Very, very interesting.

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But uh, they do call him over for a chat.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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They have a little chat with them and

he's just like, please stop ignoring

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me if I'm so mission critical.

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Don't make it so that if I, only way

I have to talk to you is to like.

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Make sure bad Tillium gets

out or we stop working.

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That should not be the only time

we interact if I am that important.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And then he quotes the book

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Laura: Oh, this is where I'm

starting to lose you, sir.

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Xhafer: and Rosalyn flips like a light

switch rave and throws him in jail.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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Um, generally very

against book burnings here

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on the podcast.

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But what I found out that this book

she's referring to is baltar's mind comp.

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I am starting to see a gray area.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Rosalyn gives us a

little, the X pieces here.

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Baltar has written a book

called My Triumphs, my Mistakes.

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His lawyer has smuggled it out.

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I want you to know that like as a gag

for a minute, because this, this episode

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was airing when I was in college.

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Me and a couple of friends would print

out this, the cover of this book, cut off

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the corners and hide it in each other's

stuff so that you just randomly find them.

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Laura: Yeah, that's kind of funny.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: You'd be going to class,

you'd open up your book, and

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all of a sudden, right there,

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Laura: That's, that's pretty good.

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Yeah.

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I would have a good chuckle.

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Yeah.

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This is where I started

to get really worried.

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I know that you've told me that I want

this trial, that I want this guy's trial,

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Xhafer: Well,

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you wanna watch it.

490

I don't know that you want it to happen.

491

Laura: I'm like, I'm sitting here

like, okay, this is clearly like

492

a, a reference to mein comp, right.

493

Xhafer: I mean.

494

It's a little mind comfy, but it's really

more of a like communist manifesto.

495

It's really more Marcy in its content.

496

Laura: The content is this, but I,

I'm, I'm thinking like with the title,

497

the way they've named it and like the

fact that he is like a dictator I was

498

like, yeah Hitler wrote that in prison

499

Right.

500

And came to power later.

501

So I'm like, I don't want that

to be what happens with Gais

502

Balter to be back in power.

503

Xhafer: Well,

504

Laura: oh.

505

So yeah, that's what makes me like.

506

Nervous and upset is like,

not again, please, please.

507

I Maybe it's just that that sort of like

person coming into power over and over

508

is getting a little played out in my

509

Xhafer: Yeah.

510

You know, when you've got someone who

comes into power and then they lose,

511

you know, like they're the president,

but then they're no longer the president

512

and then they're the president again.

513

That feels kind of weird.

514

Laura: Mm-hmm.

515

Yeah.

516

Xhafer: Yeah.

517

Laura: It sure does.

518

Yeah.

519

So he's, he done fucked up, Xeno.

520

Xhafer: Yeah.

521

At the two old dinner table, Callie

has also read the book and it's just

522

all like, Hey, ever notice how all the

main characters are from Rich Colonies?

523

And all the B plot characters are from

poor colonies and two old's all like, hey.

524

Dee's kind of a main character

and Callie's all like, yeah.

525

But her plot only relies on being

married to the Admiral Son and it

526

never once passes the Bechtel test.

527

Laura: So listener in pod time, Jair

and I are trying to get a bunch of

528

episodes together, and so we are doing

things back to back to back to back.

529

Xhafer: Yeah.

530

This is the second of three that

we're recording this weekend.

531

So I think this episode airs in

three or four weeks from now.

532

Laura: Yeah,

533

Xhafer: Yeah.

534

The world could be quite

different in three to four weeks.

535

Laura: Well, I'm, I'm trying to

give them some perspective that.

536

This episode for me because last

week for you listener was yesterday.

537

For us.

538

This episode Clangs Against

last episode really hard

539

when Daddy Adama saved their asses,

540

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

541

Laura: like Tyre fucked up and got

them in a bad situation by having

542

them work on stupid shit together.

543

And Daddy Adama and Lee

came up with the plan.

544

They saved their lives, got them

out of that airlock, and now Callie

545

is like mad at the ruling class and

it's like you trusted him explicitly.

546

Last episode you, even you, you

said those words, I trust Adama.

547

Xhafer: Yeah.

548

Laura: And you pick up a little

pamphlet by Baltar and flip

549

completely like a light switch rave.

550

I don't know.

551

I'm not saying that there's not good

points, but I was like, those two

552

storylines when you watch 'em one right

after the other didn't hit together.

553

Well,

554

Xhafer: Yeah.

555

Laura: I, it's another instance

where like, you might not notice

556

it when you're watching this in

real time, like a week apart,

557

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

558

Laura: but when you do it an evening

apart and they don't give us any sense

559

of like how much time is passing in

between episodes and I understand

560

why, but I was like, come on.

561

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

562

Laura: But yeah, Callie reminds

him like, Hey, remember the union?

563

Wasn't the union?

564

Great.

565

Xhafer: Yeah.

566

There's that union for a minute.

567

Papa Dama interrupts the working class

family dinner to notify him that he's

568

being sent to the tillium refiner

to get it going while Cali's all.

569

Yeah.

570

You can get arrested for

pissing off the president now.

571

Laura, can we make a promise right now?

572

Laura: Yeah.

573

Xhafer: Can we watch a happy show

that doesn't feel like it's being

574

Presciently geopolitical next time?

575

Laura: Yes, we can do that.

576

Xhafer: Okay.

577

I don't wanna do Star Trek

because I feel like everything,

578

well, let me put it this way.

579

If unless we find a way to make

Star Trek novel, if we have some

580

approach or something that adds

to that space, I'd be interested.

581

Laura: Yeah.

582

Xhafer: But I feel like it's a crowded,

well, not only is it a crowded space, but

583

it's also like a very well done space.

584

Laura: Crowded with people who

are much better than myself.

585

Xhafer: they're they're either funnier

than us or they understand cinema and like

586

art, visual art better than us, or they're

gonna be more, better research than us.

587

And the only thing we have that

would make them different is it's us.

588

Which I would like to think is nice, but

I don't think is culturally noteworthy,

589

Laura: Yeah.

590

Nope, not over here anyway.

591

Xhafer: uh, Either of us to be part.

592

It's not like we're fun, but I don't

think we'd add anything to that space.

593

So I don't wanna do Star Trek.

594

Laura: Yeah.

595

We'll come up with

596

Xhafer: we'll find something.

597

Yeah.

598

Laura: time.

599

Xhafer: Yeah.

600

Laura: Maybe you can suggest

it in the Discord listener.

601

Xhafer: Yeah.

602

We, we have not, as, as of this recording,

we have not had any serious discussion

603

on what we're gonna do once we're done.

604

I mean, we still have over a year of

this show between this and Caprica

605

and the spit off movies and stuff.

606

So there's a bit to go still,

but, yeah, I don't know.

607

I don't know what we'll watch next.

608

Laura: The world is our oyster, but

let's try to, let's try to influence

609

the universe positively this time.

610

Xhafer: please.

611

Please

612

Laura: Yeah,

613

Xhafer: Rosalyn goes to Baltar, tells

him that they've been intercepting the

614

pages of his book, and that she's the

only one who's read it and then generally

615

harasses him about how he sees himself.

616

Laura: of course.

617

He keeps it in his crotch, right.

618

Xhafer: Oh, yeah.

619

I mean, it's, they go for the full body

cavity as six PT, like, reaches into his

620

pants and hands the papers over for him.

621

Laura: Gross.

622

Xhafer: Yep.

623

Laura: Rosalyn does not

believe any of his backstory.

624

Right?

625

Xhafer: No, well, it's quite unbelievable

that he would be a like super

626

poor farm boy from this backwater.

627

Laura: Uhhuh?

628

Xhafer: Because he's a

scientific genius who's lived on

629

Caprica his whole life, right?

630

Laura: I think 'cause I

don't believe it either.

631

I was like, even if he was actually from

Aon, I think that he was not from the.

632

You know, working class of airon, how

abouts, 'cause every, every colony's

633

gonna be stratified in some ways, right?

634

There's gonna be the most

important dairy farmer or whatever.

635

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

636

Laura: But I don't believe any of it.

637

I think that when Rosalyn was dragging

him to the airlock and he sees somebody's

638

picture and said, this was my lab

assistant, which I also didn't believe,

639

Xhafer: Yeah.

640

You think

641

Laura: uh, he started forming an idea and

a plan and realized like, there's nothing,

642

nobody can check on anything I say.

643

Xhafer: Yeah,

644

Laura: I,

645

Xhafer: are no records.

646

Laura: there are no records.

647

I can make my backstory whatever I want,

whatever's convenient for me at this time.

648

And being, you know, hoity-toity,

smarty pants is not it now.

649

Xhafer: Yeah.

650

Laura: So I'm a b.

651

Bumble thought, Gais,

652

and uh, connect with the common people,

which he says something about that, like

653

he's just trying to connect with the

654

Xhafer: Yeah.

655

Laura: common man, and I,

656

Xhafer: I, I, I I have a thought on

that and I don't know if I'm remembering

657

something or having a thought on that.

658

S Because I might be, I think in my

head, and I don't know if I'm thinking

659

this because it's something that

happened or because it's something that

660

I thought that was his assistant, but

he's telling his assistant's story.

661

His, that guy was from Aon.

662

Laura: oh,

663

Xhafer: But I don't know if that,

that might be something that actually

664

happens, that might be a thing that

my brain is putting together right

665

now as a, like, possible theory.

666

Um, because I haven't seen, I mean,

I don't think I've watched these

667

episodes since shortly after they aired.

668

I did a rewatch before

season four dropped.

669

So it's been almost, you know,

it's like 18 years or something,

670

17 years since this aired.

671

So my memory's a little fuzzy,

especially 'cause that was college and

672

I was, I went to a party school.

673

So,

674

Laura: Well we haven't found

that out yet, but I, I could see

675

that coming and being a thing.

676

Xhafer: I just hope that's not a spoiler.

677

I just

678

don't, know.

679

I, I I honestly don't know.

680

Laura: Yeah.

681

Xhafer: I don't remember.

682

Laura: Because I don't

believe this for a second.

683

Xhafer: What's funny is by the time

this episode airs, people in spoiler

684

chat will tell me, but also we

will have watched far enough ahead.

685

By the time this is airs, we I'll know.

686

Laura: but yeah, we'll know.

687

Right?

688

I just, this made me angry 'cause

I was like, this is a thing that

689

happens in our politics all the time.

690

Xhafer: Oh yeah, yeah.

691

You know, I'm from rural Ohio, but I

grew up in the West Virginia Mountains.

692

Laura: Mm-hmm.

693

Xhafer: Yeah, but also this,

but also this, but also this.

694

Just make it up, dude.

695

Laura: Yep.

696

So very uncomfortable.

697

I was uncomfortable with this.

698

Xhafer: I was uncomfortable

most of this episode.

699

Laura: and it just gets

worse the whole time through.

700

Uh, But Tyrell heads over to the Tillium

refiner and he gets a pretty warm

701

reception because these people presumably

have heard about his union experience.

702

I was thinking about it and I, I'm

thinking that probably a lot of

703

these people were not on new caprica.

704

Maybe some of them, but the

tillium refiner had to have

705

escaped with the fleet.

706

Right.

707

Xhafer: Yeah.

708

Laura: So like it's maybe some of

the people we've brought in worked

709

in the union, but I don't think

these people are all union people.

710

Xhafer: Yeah.

711

They couldn't be.

712

Laura: Tyrell's union anyway,

previous life in, in the colonies.

713

Sure.

714

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

715

I mean, yeah.

716

'cause even the, commander, the

assistant captain, whatever it is, on

717

a civilian ship, doesn't know Tyrell,

718

Laura: yeah, Cabot, I think was his

719

Xhafer: Yeah.

720

Cabot.

721

Yeah.

722

He doesn't know Tyrell, but also

we find out he was on New Caprica.

723

Laura: Oh yeah, he definitely was.

724

Yeah.

725

So there's gotta be a mix,

726

Xhafer: yeah, so,

727

Laura: Uhhuh, there's

not a lot of tillium.

728

They show us the big empty cargo hold

729

Xhafer: Yeah.

730

There's not

731

Laura: it's, yeah, we're

running outta sand.

732

Xhafer: Yeah.

733

Big problem.

734

This lack of sand.

735

Tier old tours, the Tillium freighter

and sees that they're missing all

736

of their, like, pressure seals to

be able to run any of the machinery.

737

Laura: Huh?

738

Xhafer: Guess they're on strike.

739

Laura: Yeah.

740

Yeah.

741

Dad.

742

Merle's not gonna like this one.

743

Xhafer: the chief tries to give them

some hope, but Rosalyn and Adama

744

won't hear it and they just take the

second in command and throw him in.

745

The Bri Tiro goes to visit them

late in the night and sees that

746

Cabot is having flashbacks to

silent imprisonment on new Caprica.

747

Laura: Yes.

748

This poor man is tearing

himself apart in the Bri.

749

Xhafer: Yeah.

750

Tiro talks to them gets them

to tell him where the seals

751

are and then work can resume.

752

Laura: Yeah, I mean, Tyrell, Tyrell

tries, like, he says, you know, these

753

are slavery conditions we're under.

754

And Rosalyn reminds him like,

everyone's under slavery conditions.

755

Like the people in the algae refiner,

they're doing the same thing.

756

Like, none of us have a choice here.

757

We're, we're all stuck.

758

but tyre's saying like,

Hey, it's not safe.

759

Like we, we could do something for them.

760

Xhafer: Yeah,

761

Laura: But he, he gets

them to cave instead.

762

And it isn't really even him, he just

happened to show up at the right place

763

during the PTSD breakdown, like, But

then as he's getting the seals back

764

in operation, he starts to notice just

how many children are on the ship.

765

Xhafer: yeah.

766

There's some kids, kids like that

think they give us this, this

767

kid, he's like, how old are you?

768

He is like 12, almost.

769

Laura: Yep.

770

Xhafer: Yikes.

771

Laura: So he's back in Rosalyn's office

to beg her to think of the children.

772

Xhafer: Yeah.

773

It's like you're kind of

imposing a cast system here.

774

Laura: Yeah.

775

Like you are not trying

to, but it's happening

776

because she's like, well,

these children were just there.

777

They're just learning their parents' jobs.

778

And he's like, yeah, that's,

that's a caste system.

779

Xhafer: yeah, it is bad news.

780

the answer refiner, hunger games,

anyone who could work there might

781

get drafted in a lottery to go

work on the Tillium refiner,

782

and we immediately see a, like, I think

we're supposed to think he's like 17.

783

Laura: yes.

784

'cause he was saving up for college.

785

Xhafer: He was saving up for college,

but he would've been saving up for

786

college like two or three years

ago based off the time of the

787

attacks and everything and how much

788

Laura: Oh, good point.

789

Yeah.

790

Well, maybe he's 19.

791

I don't know.

792

Boys, boys mature at a

different rate, whatever.

793

I don't know.

794

Xhafer: he feels young.

795

Laura: Well,

796

Xhafer: He interned as a,

at a farm over a summer.

797

And so he's a farmer now?

798

Laura: Yeah.

799

He was just making some college money.

800

Um, to make sure I understand the

lottery system, it sounds like

801

it's not like you are drawn and

you are a tillium refiner now.

802

It's like you are working

shifts there, so like.

803

I don't know how the shift system set

up, but maybe you go for four weeks,

804

you're come back, do whatever else.

805

I don't know.

806

But Yeah, we're supposed to feel really

bad about this kid who has a summer

807

of farming experience being pulled

as a farmer to go to the refinery.

808

Do you feel bad about it?

809

Xhafer: I mean, uh.

810

I don't feel great about it,

but also like everyone, like the

811

situation is pretty dire, right?

812

Like if people don't work this ship,

like everyone's, like you need it to run,

813

to be able to continue jumping, to make

for the survival of the species, right?

814

That is the literal stakes.

815

Adama says it later in the episode.

816

It's all like one fuck up.

817

All of humanity is dead.

818

That's on us.

819

Like we have to, we have to

have, those are the stakes.

820

They literally cannot be higher.

821

Laura: right.

822

Xhafer: And so with that in mind,

you have to like really question.

823

How much the ends can justify

the means, which is what this

824

episode is as hard about.

825

It's why I like this episode.

826

It's one of my favorite of the, this type

of sci-fi show in particular, the like

827

Armageddon style TV show is the, how much

of our humanity are we willing to give up

828

to ensure that we keep humanity around?

829

Laura: Yeah.

830

Xhafer: Like at what point do

we stop being a society and the

831

thing that we're trying to save is

destroyed by our own actions instead

832

of the thing that's pressing on us.

833

Like that is what this is.

834

This is a core type of story in these

settings and I'm always here for it.

835

I think it's a really interesting question

and one of the things that sci-fi as a

836

genre is particularly good at telling.

837

Laura: Yeah.

838

They do also specifically tell us

that these recruits that they're

839

pulling are from Dogville, so

they're from the Galactica refugees.

840

I guess we're, we're doing

it, we're keeping Dogville.

841

Uh, And I'm like, well, if you're not

putting them to use on Galactica, it seems

842

like people should be, do like as many

people as possible who can do a, something

843

should be doing a something, right?

844

Xhafer: Yeah.

845

And it's like the people who are

refugees on Galactica are presumably

846

not able to meaningfully contribute

to the operations of Galactica.

847

So having them work a job somewhere

that helps the fleet survive.

848

Like, it's not like everyone's just

getting time off on the tillium

849

freighter and it's all happy go lucky.

850

Like they are severely understaffed

and that is management's problem.

851

And they, you, you need something,

852

Laura: Mm-hmm.

853

Xhafer: those people shouldn't have to

work every single day of their lives.

854

Laura: Right.

855

Xhafer: And if you need more

people, you need more people.

856

And that's how humanity survives.

857

I'm still uncomfortable with

it at that level of stakes.

858

'Cause it is low key.

859

Not even like, they don't make jokes

about it or like try to hide it.

860

It's slavery in a very meaningful way.

861

You know, that's what they're trying to

say and I should be uncomfortable with it.

862

That's the point.

863

Laura: Yeah.

864

Xhafer: What makes it

an interesting story?

865

Laura: Yeah.

866

I was like, I don't know how I'm

supposed to feel for this boy.

867

I think I, I think I'm supposed to

feel bad, but it's like, um, I mean,

868

college is not happening anymore, right?

869

For your generation, there's no

more college, so you need to find

870

somewhere to be a contributor,

871

Xhafer: Now the only

thing to me that I think.

872

Would it be a slight tweak that maybe

would've made this a little bit more

873

interesting is for when he's arguing with

Tyrell to be all like, I'm from Caprica.

874

This isn't what I should be doing.

875

Laura: Yeah.

876

That could have put some fuel under

the, the Baltar fire, unfortunately.

877

Xhafer: also it takes away the

impact of the thing that happens

878

to him in like 10 minutes.

879

Laura: Yeah,

880

Xhafer: So I, I understand why but

you know, I'm just, I see a fire, I'm

881

gonna blow on it, stoke that thing.

882

Laura: Yeah.

883

Xhafer: Tyrell finds a copy of Baltar's

pamphlet and begins thumbing through

884

it, and he thinks it's bullshit.

885

So he goes to tell Gais it's bullshit.

886

Laura: Yeah.

887

Um,

888

Xhafer: How is he able to do?

889

Laura: right.

890

Why is he able to visit Baltar?

891

Xhafer: The Tillium freighter guys at

least makes sense because he might need

892

to like ask them for their password

for their console or something.

893

Like there's reasons he would need

to go there that would not involve

894

getting like clearance from Adama,

895

like quickly.

896

You know, he's trusted like he, he might

need something from them that is just he,

897

to go through the bureaucracy would be

too much middle management, but Baltar,

898

who the fuck has just open visiting

rights for Baltar and why is it the chief?

899

That makes no sense to me.

900

Laura: No.

901

Yeah.

902

This conversation is weird and the

description you read to me last

903

week was like.

904

It made it feel like this was gonna

be a bigger deal than it actually was.

905

Like, I don't know that I felt like

this conversation was that big a deal.

906

We get to, we get to watch

some classic gaas bullshit,

907

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

908

Laura: but I don't think Tyrell is

that convinced by anything Ballar says,

909

Xhafer: Yeah.

910

Laura: do you?

911

Xhafer: No.

912

I mean,

913

Laura: Okay.

914

I was like, is there something I missed?

915

Did I

916

Xhafer: No, no.

917

He went in there to say bullshit

and baltar's all like, oh,

918

Baltar can change his accent.

919

That must be a sign of

authenticity from the man.

920

Right?

921

Right.

922

Laura: I don't think so.

923

Yeah, I don't know.

924

I wasn't convinced.

925

Even, even if he's is from

Aon, he's not from Aon.

926

Xhafer: Yeah.

927

Laura: Baltar tries to like, oh,

well the aristocracy just wants you

928

to think that democracy works so

that you just believe and trust 'em.

929

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

930

Laura: And I'm sitting there like, but,

931

but these words are coming out

of your mouth is the problem.

932

Like, you are telling

me exactly what you do.

933

Every accusation is a confession.

934

I've heard that before.

935

Xhafer: Yeah.

936

Laura: I feel like that's baltar.

937

Every accusation is a confession.

938

Xhafer: That's a fair statement for him.

939

Laura: Oh, and the, the ending, the button

on this little scene is he asks Tiro if he

940

thinks this fleet will ever be commanded

by someone whose name is not Adama.

941

Xhafer: Yeah.

942

Laura: And I was like, well, guys,

that kind of, the, the timeline you're

943

setting up in that question is that

we're gonna be on the run forever.

944

Like hopefully this fleet is never

commanded by someone else who's not named

945

a dama because we got somewhere safe.

946

Xhafer: Yeah, you made it to Earth, right?

947

I mean, even if the old man dies

before you get there, right?

948

Like in hypothetical land, you

know, they, they're on the run

949

for another 40 years or something.

950

Lee is the obvious successor.

951

Laura: Yeah, because

952

Xhafer: who?

953

Yeah.

954

Well, Ty will, Ty would

955

Laura: And bad at it.

956

He's bad at it.

957

Xhafer: kick it before,

958

right?

959

Um, Ty might like if, if uh, you

know, if he gets boomed again

960

or something like maybe Ty.

961

But realistically, Lee probably

next in line, even though Helo is

962

technically, and you got Captain Kelly.

963

We can't forget Captain Kelly.

964

Laura: Oh yeah.

965

Essential.

966

Xhafer: Um, yeah, essential

Captain Kelly third in command.

967

but it's just like.

968

Yeah, so like that's the two, right?

969

Um, I mean he's got the most

leading a Battlestar experience

970

in the fleet outside of his

971

dad.

972

Laura: Uhhuh.

973

Xhafer: And he got that because of some

of the nepotism, like let's not pretend.

974

Laura: Right, but still like

that's what we got left, right?

975

Xhafer: Yeah.

976

And so it's just like, okay, so like

do you take that further like you're

977

proposing and it's all like, okay,

so Lee and Dee's hypothetical kid

978

Laura: Yeah.

979

Xhafer: and it's just like,

it's such a dark question,

980

Laura: Yeah.

981

Xhafer: but you're right, it is.

982

It's very self-serving.

983

'cause it's just like, of course

it's gonna be Adam dama and Lee would

984

probably make sense a second, I think.

985

I don't think anyone who has

enough knowledge of the officers

986

on board would question Lee being

in command after his dad dies.

987

Based off of his experience at this point,

988

um, which he got because of

nepotism, but he still got,

989

Laura: yeah.

990

And I mean, he did a pretty

good job getting him outta there

991

with the whole Pegasus thing.

992

So like he's No, no slouch

when it comes down to that.

993

Xhafer: Yeah.

994

And it's just like, what, what,

what are you trying to actually say?

995

And it's just, the guy is bullshit.

996

It's a I'm gonna make you think

about something that has an obvious

997

answer so that I sound smart.

998

Yep,

999

Laura: I'm just asking questions,

00:47:02,663 --> 00:47:03,623

Xhafer: exactly.

00:47:03,908 --> 00:47:06,068

Laura: dumb questions,

but I'm asking questions.

00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:08,256

Xhafer: Yeah, just want

you to think about it.

00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,400

Over on the

00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,180

refinery.

00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:10,510

Yeah.

00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:13,450

The chief is there to

help with maintenance.

00:47:13,450 --> 00:47:14,290

There's a jam.

00:47:15,340 --> 00:47:19,720

Someone's wooden shoe is in the

gears and Tiro can't get it.

00:47:20,290 --> 00:47:25,870

But that 17-year-old jumps under, grabs

it, and gets seriously injured for it.

00:47:26,725 --> 00:47:27,295

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:28,930

Xhafer: like goes through his arm.

00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,180

It looks gnarly.

00:47:32,365 --> 00:47:32,875

Laura: Gnarly.

00:47:32,875 --> 00:47:34,165

Good thing Cix is here.

00:47:34,195 --> 00:47:36,175

'cause we know cix is medic training.

00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,000

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:38,065 --> 00:47:38,935

Laura: That's the other thing.

00:47:39,865 --> 00:47:43,915

The doc coddle should be like train

cross training the hell out people.

00:47:43,945 --> 00:47:44,365

Right?

00:47:44,685 --> 00:47:44,975

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:45,275 --> 00:47:47,200

We, you should have, it's been years.

00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:48,670

You should have a new doctor by now.

00:47:49,105 --> 00:47:49,465

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:49,885 --> 00:47:51,925

We should be cross training

the hell outta people.

00:47:52,441 --> 00:47:52,681

Oh.

00:47:52,681 --> 00:47:54,301

And we don't find that

out in this episode.

00:47:54,301 --> 00:47:56,851

So I'll, I'll save that

comment for the next episode.

00:47:56,851 --> 00:48:00,241

But, cross training the hell

out and every ship, like the

00:48:00,241 --> 00:48:02,671

refiner and the algae processor.

00:48:02,701 --> 00:48:04,411

I assume there's

dangerous stuff there too.

00:48:04,651 --> 00:48:10,261

Should have like a doctor, a

very good nurse practitioner,

00:48:10,741 --> 00:48:12,871

a medic, something really good.

00:48:13,666 --> 00:48:13,726

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:14,266 --> 00:48:17,506

You don't want coddle to have to

fly over anytime someone gets hurt.

00:48:18,361 --> 00:48:18,661

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:19,136 --> 00:48:19,736

For reals.

00:48:20,247 --> 00:48:23,427

Xhafer: Tyro immediately turns off

the refiner and calls for a strike.

00:48:24,018 --> 00:48:24,288

Laura: Yep.

00:48:25,038 --> 00:48:25,968

A union man.

00:48:26,298 --> 00:48:26,568

Xhafer: Yep.

00:48:27,378 --> 00:48:29,418

The pilots come down and see the knuckle.

00:48:29,418 --> 00:48:34,908

Dragers not doing shit because they're

striking too vital missions only, which

00:48:34,913 --> 00:48:37,398

does extend to like the patrol, right.

00:48:37,878 --> 00:48:39,288

They say, Hey, we launched the patrol.

00:48:39,288 --> 00:48:42,138

Like we're, we're still doing

anything that's imp important

00:48:42,138 --> 00:48:43,668

to ship security vital missions.

00:48:44,028 --> 00:48:45,048

We never stop that.

00:48:45,648 --> 00:48:47,118

We're just not letting the pilots go.

00:48:47,118 --> 00:48:48,018

Joy riding.

00:48:49,141 --> 00:48:51,691

Laura: I don't know why

this annoys me so much,

00:48:53,701 --> 00:48:55,051

but I think I do.

00:48:55,171 --> 00:48:56,251

I think it's Callie.

00:48:56,311 --> 00:48:59,491

I think it's the fact that

Callie's like the, the go-between,

00:49:00,331 --> 00:49:05,551

and she's the reason that now all

the deckhands are striking too.

00:49:06,526 --> 00:49:06,816

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:06,896 --> 00:49:09,749

Laura: Uh, That, that

bugged me a little bit.

00:49:11,162 --> 00:49:13,502

But yeah, let's just arrest for everybody.

00:49:13,502 --> 00:49:13,832

Xhafer: yeah.

00:49:13,952 --> 00:49:14,732

Tyrell's in the brick.

00:49:15,612 --> 00:49:19,302

The dad roll goes to see him and

he's like, this isn't a strike.

00:49:19,392 --> 00:49:20,112

It's a mutiny.

00:49:20,202 --> 00:49:21,192

We're calling it a mutiny.

00:49:21,222 --> 00:49:23,142

And it's a mutiny 'cause

it's a mutiny now.

00:49:23,442 --> 00:49:24,702

And you know what we do to muti ears?

00:49:25,092 --> 00:49:25,752

We fucking shoot 'em.

00:49:26,429 --> 00:49:28,409

Laura: Is it because it's his deckhands?

00:49:28,499 --> 00:49:29,399

That it's a mutiny?

00:49:29,579 --> 00:49:31,024

I, I mean that.

00:49:31,049 --> 00:49:31,439

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:35,399

Because they're, they're,

they're people who are military

00:49:35,399 --> 00:49:36,809

personnel refusing orders.

00:49:37,664 --> 00:49:41,204

Laura: I think that if, if Callie

hadn't done this, if Tyre hadn't

00:49:41,294 --> 00:49:44,804

passed this onto her, it's still

a strike in Adama's mind, right?

00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:45,659

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:45,779 --> 00:49:46,379

Probably.

00:49:46,966 --> 00:49:52,066

Laura: Tyrell's just like, no, you know,

I just want us to not leave people behind.

00:49:52,606 --> 00:49:55,996

Uh, but naval ship isn't a

democracy is the problem.

00:49:57,001 --> 00:49:57,841

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:58,785 --> 00:49:59,625

There's a moment.

00:50:00,105 --> 00:50:03,615

Anterial does not acquiesce

immediately, so Adama orders Callie

00:50:03,615 --> 00:50:06,675

to be captured, brought down to

the repair bay for execution.

00:50:07,086 --> 00:50:07,506

Laura: Yep.

00:50:08,151 --> 00:50:09,291

Xhafer: She's like, she's the ringleader.

00:50:09,651 --> 00:50:10,761

She's gonna go first.

00:50:11,556 --> 00:50:13,056

Laura: She is the ringleader on this ship.

00:50:13,116 --> 00:50:13,506

Yeah.

00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:17,640

Tyrell right before this had asked to

talk to Rosalyn, and that's, that's

00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,620

sort of a key point that comes back.

00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:21,090

Not

00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:21,480

Xhafer: Yeah,

00:50:21,810 --> 00:50:27,203

Laura: Uh, So Adama reminds

him of the thing that, I don't

00:50:27,203 --> 00:50:28,673

know, it happened in season one.

00:50:28,673 --> 00:50:33,353

I feel like we heard the same speech

that like, if people on this ship

00:50:33,353 --> 00:50:37,433

don't do what they're told, even if

they don't like it, we may all die.

00:50:38,153 --> 00:50:43,583

Like there may be for every person on

this ship a moment where the thing that

00:50:43,583 --> 00:50:46,163

will save us is something they don't like.

00:50:46,253 --> 00:50:49,163

And so if they don't do it, everyone dies.

00:50:50,153 --> 00:50:50,963

I can't have this.

00:50:51,703 --> 00:50:54,823

Xhafer: If, if someone doesn't follow

an order on this ship, this ship

00:50:54,823 --> 00:50:56,683

goes down, this ship could go down.

00:50:56,683 --> 00:50:59,383

And if this ship goes down,

humanity's chances go down with it.

00:50:59,923 --> 00:51:02,353

Laura: And so does the

survival of your son.

00:51:02,563 --> 00:51:06,523

Your son specific salient

to you, will not survive.

00:51:06,733 --> 00:51:08,533

And that's where Teola cracks.

00:51:09,369 --> 00:51:12,609

Xhafer: Tiro is just like,

okay I guess I give up.

00:51:13,779 --> 00:51:15,309

We'll call off this,

00:51:16,164 --> 00:51:16,494

Laura: Yeah,

00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:19,599

Xhafer: Um, and then we cut over.

00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:20,139

There's a little bit.

00:51:20,139 --> 00:51:24,669

He calls, talks to Callie, says that they

won because that's what she needs to hear.

00:51:25,044 --> 00:51:25,374

Laura: yeah,

00:51:26,379 --> 00:51:28,899

Xhafer: And then goes and

meets with the president.

00:51:29,169 --> 00:51:32,259

'cause if Dom had already set that up,

it was all like, you're free to go.

00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:33,489

The president's waiting for you.

00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:34,404

Laura: yeah.

00:51:34,404 --> 00:51:35,724

He's like, you wanted to talk to her.

00:51:35,754 --> 00:51:37,374

You just said that you wanna talk to her.

00:51:37,659 --> 00:51:37,899

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:38,529 --> 00:51:39,309

Go, go talk to her.

00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:39,669

Yeah.

00:51:39,774 --> 00:51:43,434

Laura: so he's like, I, I

see he's drawing a line here.

00:51:43,434 --> 00:51:47,874

He's like, I don't think you're

wrong necessarily about these people

00:51:47,874 --> 00:51:53,094

needing a better life, but you

cannot bring that shit on my ship.

00:51:53,419 --> 00:51:53,709

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:54,204 --> 00:51:55,224

That stays off.

00:51:55,854 --> 00:51:56,064

Laura: Yeah.

00:51:56,459 --> 00:52:02,489

Xhafer: And then Tyro and Rosalyn have

some labor negotiations as Rosalyn

00:52:02,489 --> 00:52:08,829

reminds us that a fracturing ourselves

is how we lose to ourselves without

00:52:08,829 --> 00:52:10,509

the silence needing to interfere.

00:52:11,082 --> 00:52:11,412

Laura: Yeah.

00:52:12,036 --> 00:52:15,976

she's ready to negotiate in good faith.

00:52:16,071 --> 00:52:16,491

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:52:17,104 --> 00:52:20,704

Laura: Tyrell asks for the

people on Colonial one to come

00:52:20,704 --> 00:52:22,624

do some service on dirty ships.

00:52:22,774 --> 00:52:23,254

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:52:23,434 --> 00:52:26,764

Everyone fucking, if you're

on a ship that's non-essential

00:52:26,764 --> 00:52:27,844

and you're just hanging out.

00:52:28,699 --> 00:52:31,219

You're just on fucking

Cloud nine or some shit.

00:52:31,249 --> 00:52:34,909

Just doing things and you're not

doing a service job to help the fleet.

00:52:35,629 --> 00:52:37,099

Got some bad news for you.

00:52:37,429 --> 00:52:38,959

Your free ride's over.

00:52:39,874 --> 00:52:40,264

Laura: Yeah.

00:52:40,474 --> 00:52:43,504

And I mean, she's like, yeah,

I think that's reasonable.

00:52:44,194 --> 00:52:44,914

Let's do it.

00:52:45,364 --> 00:52:46,679

And she wants him to continue.

00:52:47,434 --> 00:52:52,474

As a union man, she says, we need this,

or something else is gonna tear us apart

00:52:52,534 --> 00:52:54,244

and that something is gonna be our,

00:52:55,099 --> 00:52:55,309

Xhafer: Hmm.

00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:56,329

Quite possibly.

00:52:57,424 --> 00:53:01,204

Laura: So please continue representing

their interests and I will

00:53:02,164 --> 00:53:03,904

continue to do my best to listen

00:53:04,104 --> 00:53:04,524

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:53:05,134 --> 00:53:09,309

Laura: honestly, like this is the

reasonable approach from Rosalyn.

00:53:09,329 --> 00:53:12,544

I'm not sure why we didn't

have it earlier in the episode

00:53:12,964 --> 00:53:13,254

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:53:15,034 --> 00:53:18,692

Laura: because all of

this seems not that bad.

00:53:19,242 --> 00:53:19,662

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:53:20,072 --> 00:53:20,732

Laura: Not that bad.

00:53:21,512 --> 00:53:23,942

I don't know why nobody could

get here until this moment.

00:53:25,097 --> 00:53:28,247

Xhafer: Because they were too busy

ignoring that guy's team's messages.

00:53:29,282 --> 00:53:30,842

Laura: Well, sometimes okay.

00:53:30,902 --> 00:53:34,082

Maybe he's not super pleasant

and so his message was getting

00:53:34,082 --> 00:53:35,762

lost within his messenger.

00:53:36,137 --> 00:53:36,377

Xhafer: Mm.

00:53:36,557 --> 00:53:37,607

Entirely possible.

00:53:37,802 --> 00:53:39,092

Laura: happens to people sometimes.

00:53:39,092 --> 00:53:39,452

Yeah.

00:53:39,827 --> 00:53:41,297

Xhafer: We get a little

bit of a button on the app.

00:53:41,387 --> 00:53:43,457

Selix gets to be a pilot after all.

00:53:43,917 --> 00:53:44,877

Laura: Yeah.

00:53:45,597 --> 00:53:46,107

Okay.

00:53:46,347 --> 00:53:48,717

So question about this.

00:53:49,407 --> 00:53:50,457

It, it's very cute.

00:53:50,457 --> 00:53:53,457

You know, Starbucks comes and like

chews her out for being late to training

00:53:53,802 --> 00:53:54,162

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:53:54,342 --> 00:53:55,542

That she clearly didn't know about.

00:53:55,542 --> 00:53:55,902

Yeah.

00:53:56,412 --> 00:53:58,092

Like chiefs hold their

pins and everything.

00:53:58,092 --> 00:53:59,472

She doesn't have the proper uniform.

00:53:59,472 --> 00:54:00,012

All that stuff.

00:54:00,282 --> 00:54:00,632

Laura: Uhhuh.

00:54:00,807 --> 00:54:02,007

Yeah, it's very cute.

00:54:02,097 --> 00:54:03,897

I did enjoy this quite a lot.

00:54:04,243 --> 00:54:09,806

but she gets the pin and she's an

SSON now she's an officer and I'm

00:54:09,806 --> 00:54:15,446

sitting here going, wasn't awa an

SSON at the beginning of all this?

00:54:15,944 --> 00:54:16,304

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:54:17,279 --> 00:54:20,849

Laura: And then she was an officer.

00:54:20,969 --> 00:54:23,789

But people have reccon it in

their minds that she's a only

00:54:23,789 --> 00:54:25,499

an officer because of Lee Now.

00:54:25,974 --> 00:54:30,354

Xhafer: Um, I mean, she, I

think she's only an important

00:54:30,354 --> 00:54:33,684

officer, but like her promotion is

00:54:33,819 --> 00:54:38,109

Laura: But they're, they're attributing

her being an officer at all to Lee.

00:54:38,289 --> 00:54:42,519

And I was like, that's a shitty thing

that happens to women all the time.

00:54:43,224 --> 00:54:43,884

Xhafer: a hundred percent.

00:54:45,879 --> 00:54:48,789

Laura: Oh, how delightful

that You stuck that in there.

00:54:48,939 --> 00:54:49,599

Thank you.

00:54:49,779 --> 00:54:50,679

Writing room.

00:54:52,835 --> 00:54:53,435

Great.

00:54:53,585 --> 00:54:54,155

Great.

00:54:54,905 --> 00:54:55,595

So great.

00:54:57,846 --> 00:54:59,916

Xhafer: So yeah, that's the episode.

00:55:00,704 --> 00:55:01,004

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:02,570

Xhafer: How'd you feel about this one?

00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:04,240

Laura: Hmm.

00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,550

I like the questions it's asking.

00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:12,510

I like the hard things

it's making me think about.

00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:15,510

I do not like that.

00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:18,540

It seems to be setting up

Ballar to have a comeback.

00:55:21,795 --> 00:55:22,800

I do not want that.

00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:25,080

No more comebacks for these people,

00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:25,880

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:55:27,076 --> 00:55:28,156

Laura: but it is a good episode.

00:55:28,816 --> 00:55:29,236

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:55:29,296 --> 00:55:29,566

Laura: a 10.

00:55:30,456 --> 00:55:30,746

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:55:31,051 --> 00:55:31,831

Solid 10 for me.

00:55:31,891 --> 00:55:32,551

Great episode.

00:55:33,221 --> 00:55:34,991

Like I said earlier, this

is like my favorite little

00:55:34,991 --> 00:55:36,731

sub-genre of sci-fi here for it.

00:55:37,211 --> 00:55:37,631

Loved it.

00:55:37,981 --> 00:55:38,271

Laura: Yeah.

00:55:38,941 --> 00:55:39,231

Yeah.

00:55:39,851 --> 00:55:44,051

Xhafer: Next up, Battlestar

Galactica, season three, episode 17.

00:55:44,771 --> 00:55:45,491

Maelstrom.

00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:48,655

Kira has dreams about

Leo, Ben and the Mandela.

00:55:48,655 --> 00:55:49,975

She painted on Caprica.

00:55:50,665 --> 00:55:53,725

She has a run in with a heavy

Raider, but when her ship's records