As leaders in church, we can become discouraged or defensive when we hear about church hurt. In order to build healthy leadership teams and safe communities within the church, though, pastors have to honesty grapple with the reality of church hurt and how we help our people heal. In this episode, Natalie Runion joins John Bailey to discuss the history, ideas and practices that led to her book Raised to Stay. Both John and Natalie are leaders with a huge heart for the church and sympathy for the struggles of pastors as they contend for healthy church culture.