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Snyder's Genres:

MONSTER IN THE HOUSE - MONSTER, HOUSES, SIN

GOLDEN FLEECE - ROAD, TEAM, PRIZE

OUT OF THE BOTTLE - A WISH, A SPELL, A LESSON

DUDE WITH A PROBLEM - AN INNOCENT HERO, A SUDDEN EVENT, A TEST OF SURVIVAL

RITE OF PASSAGE - A LIFE PROBLEM, THE WRONG WAY TO FIX IT, THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM

BUDDY LOVE - AN INCOMPLETE HERO, A COUNTERPART NEEDED TO MAKE THEIR LIFE WHOLE, A COMPLICATION THAT IS KEEPING THEM APART EVEN THOUGH THAT FORCE IS BINDING THEM TOGETHER

WHYDUNNIT? - A DETECTIVE, A SECRET, A DARK TURN

FOOL TRIUMPHANT - A FOOL, AN ESTABLISHMENT, A TRANSMUTATION

INSTITUTIONALIZED - A GROUP, A CHOICE, A SACRIFICE (JOIN, BURN IT DOWN, COMMIT SUICIDE)

SUPERHERO - A POWER, A NEMESIS, A CURSE

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The Snyder Beats:

OPENING IMAGE

THEME STATED

SETUP

CATALYST

DEBATE

BREAK INTO TWO

B STORY

FUN AND GAMES

MIDPOINT (FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT BUT OPPOSITE OF THE ALL IS LOST)

BAD GUYS CLOSE IN

ALL IS LOST (OPPOSITE OF THE MIDPOINT, FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT)

DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL

BREAK INTO THREE

gathering the team

executing the plan

high tower surprise

dig deep down

execution of the new plan

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page Fellowship of the real from all of us at Fellowship of the real thanks for listening okay on with the

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show at this point in the movie I'm like okay well here's here's what you should have done and I'm thinking yeah right

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it's one of my favorite openings ever and I've watched that alternate ending and it is garbage it doesn't go where

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you think it's going to go there's a monster I am I'm ready for it to be oh well but I'm not sure I can even fully

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uh explain why I love this movie so much

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my feelings on it have not changed I fell asleep until the screaming this

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is actually where I started enjoying the movie is one of my favorite scenes in all of Cinema

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I thought that should have been cut well I'm sure it's artistic and you just

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don't get it all right here we are Fellowship of the real four friends on a movie uh this is my

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pick uh this time we're reviewing Dark City and you like this movie yeah [Laughter]

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yes there it is yes I thought Chris picked this one sure uh so we're gonna

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get into it I just like this movie so if that helps I did like this one sure uh

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but first we want to do series queries is that what we're talking yeah okay I wasn't even thinking

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about I'll give my review right now if you'd like of the movie yeah but that's okay you watched it six times but not all at once

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all right uh cherish queries [Music]

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all right should I give us your best shots here all right this is the easiest one okay ready yep you ever Dance with

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the Devil in the pale Moonlight that's Batman Jack Nicholson Nicholson okay I was gonna say what Batman yeah Joker

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yeah the best Batman though I like let's get nuts yeah I like

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um I'm Batman I'm Batman yeah um okay he's coming back as Batman in

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the new Flash movie oh okay and Ben Affleck too for a little bit Yeah like Michael Keaton will be Batman so it's I

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think it's worth seeing just for that I pretty much like everything he does apparently that new Flash movie is just really good yeah I don't yeah I'm not

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I'm getting very super super heroed out but there's something called the Blue Beetle coming out what the [ __ ] is the

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Blue Beetle yeah yeah I'm not a comic book guy but how deep are you digging for these things you're digging pretty deep man but I've never heard of it

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Michael keatonback is Batman I'm there yes yes I don't like okay all right you ready yeah there's an old one really old

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one and I'm not sure how he pronounces the name you'll probably know it by the name but hold on in let me say that okay

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hey blonde you know what you are just a dirty son of a and then there's music

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hey blonde you know what you are he may say hey blondie yeah

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yes oh oh Blondie yeah yeah Blondie Blondie is it Blondie yeah yeah I just

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remember Jim Colin Chris I might have got because I was thinking

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that we started talking about blonde I'm like okay Reservoir Dogs no that doesn't sound right well I couldn't I couldn't

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understand if he says blonde or blonde he calls him Blondie yo though okay Eastwood has I don't know why he's not done a blonde hair in that movie but

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it's weird but you know you know and then instead of saying the word you son of a and it goes yeah that music One

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bastard goes in two bastards come out so if I had sunk done the music you probably would just seriously known okay

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so yes the good the bad the ugly all right now I'm screwing up on this for today I am embarrassed because I I might

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have gotten there eventually I really thought you would I don't know

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this one's about to make this quote unquote final film for Warner or whatever Indian is nice he's like 90

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something yes absolutely and he's known for like one take there's this whole thing with Matt Damon that Damon's like

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hey can I do another cut yeah we're all just take up our time we're all just waiting on you you know waste

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everybody's Tom Hanks talks about it too because he's uh I think been in one or two positions slowly for sure I thought

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there was another one he did that Eastwood directed with Tom Hanks talks about it too yeah it's like you know he just so soft-spoken like other directors

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you know action cut and he says Clint Eastwood's like yeah okay that's enough of that yeah

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go ahead yeah everybody does too like and I mean don't you that's enough you

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shut up and yeah move on you know what are you gonna do yeah we'll talk about this a little bit when

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we get into talk about dark city with the studios executives

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douchebags uh give us the money and then get out of here that's what I want to tell these pretty much uh Eastwood has

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been exclusive to Warner Brothers for like almost his whole career so he came up with this movie this movie he wants

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to do is his final film he went to Warner Brothers and the executive of Warner Brothers didn't green light it right away didn't green light it said

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and said well we don't we don't know anybody anything just because it's Eastwood and he's been here all this

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time we don't know him anything well finally they came around the green light in the movie no-brainer but this

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this douchebag exactly okay schmuck how old are you you know you're gonna tell Eastwood right

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if he wants to film a telephone commercial reading a phone book you're gonna do it right or you can get the

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hell out I just couldn't believe the the hebrewist of this guy well we don't know anybody anything yeah well he's

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what built Warner Brothers probably you know I mean I know he's had an office on the line for a [ __ ] reason man I'm

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sorry a street named after him I don't mind yeah I don't know anybody anything okay have you seen Ellen uh him being on

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Ellen whenever you know she walks over to his office or whatever I mean yeah he's had his office oh yeah yeah that's

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funny yes I just couldn't believe it there's some of that going along with dark city but we'll all right one more

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one more last one okay and I heard this at the beginning of a podcast I was listening to yesterday and I just

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thought it was the funniest thing I've seen the movie but I I guess I remember the line from it but anyway

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I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum

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they live yes I would not have got that I know as soon as you understand I knew

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Chris would have I said well I thought you knew it no no I said Chris knows this because you've seen the movie because we've watched it it's a good one

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yeah it's on my list it's on my list it's a review I like that movie it's a

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carpenter movie oh it is and it has um is it just put it on the damn glasses they have a street fight in the yeah I

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don't yeah is she in that one her first movie was Wrath of Khan so if it's before Khan she

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wasn't I think it's because it says or not I hadn't seen in a long time but just yeah they the fight one of the best

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fights ever over some [ __ ] sunglasses because sunglasses allow you to see the aliens yeah yeah I remember that I guess

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I did see it because it is and then his line yeah about I'm here to kick ass too boys yeah I heard that yesterday that started

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laughing nice but yeah I remember that movie I remember watching it on TV yeah they live good stuff okay all right well

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there's that well I don't know how I can even say I'm a Eastwood fan at this point I just you

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got the character he just you know maybe five mil five movies or whatever right right all right uh dark city we ready

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for money critics fans yeah all right let's do it [Music]

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okay these numbers are okay and again you know the whole Rotten Tomatoes thing but uh I think this has a bigger

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following than even this maybe represents does it you sure about that I'm not sure I want to believe it I read

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that it's a like considered a cult classic now yeah uh I've I've seen people call it the thinking man's sci-fi

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I don't know you know it was like this obviously came before The Matrix now

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there is something here before yes you can see well I mean first it did come

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first but like now it's like they tried to do it and then the Matrix did it right or better well the rooftop chase

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scene in this those buildings are the same buildings they sold those to the metric set after the movie wrapped yeah

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it was a a studio a set in um in

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Australia and so they were both filmed in the same place yeah like parts of the movie so the buildings in in dark city

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are the buildings in a lot of them are in what does it say like morphe is saying that one of those buildings for sure the crow like the guy oh that's the

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same yeah same guy did he did the crows I was surprised at the movies he did The Crow and an iRobot which I have you know

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I robot's all right it's all right yeah you don't like the crow gems I haven't seen it in Forever Brendan Lee died

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yesterday I like the graphic novel that too I Robot is they're not a robot I was

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thinking of what's the movie with Will Smith with the zombies What I Am Legend okay I am Legend is sort of remake of

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the Charlton Heston film Omega Man which is based on a book anyway yeah Richard Matheson's I Am Legend yeah but I was

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surprised that because I hadn't heard the price and I but then I looked at some of his movies oh and that one I've seen that one okay

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the The Knowing with the cage right yeah yeah yeah I'd seen that one too I didn't

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like that one I I I wouldn't Jessica be on that one too probably yeah could you not like it with Jessica he doesn't say

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she's smoking hot in that one anyway that's not what we're talking about today we're talking about dark city which is uh welcome back to the podcast

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yeah right 75 of critics gave it three and a half stars and 85 percent of the fans that's

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85 is approaching what I think it deserves 75 I don't know they probably now I don't know why critics didn't like

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it as much as fans and but over its life I think it has maybe even higher numbers than that

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hmm uh that I want to believe that I don't know if that's true uh it has a budget of 27 million uh

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uh and domesticate made 14 million International made 12 million so it cost 27 million it made 27 million

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for a total gross of 316 dollars damn uh yeah which surprised me uh Alex

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fryas is known to us because so I started looking at this and there's a website called bomb report which I guess

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does movies that bombed at the box office I found that looking this up and but I

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did pull this quote from Alex proyas and uh you can sense some of his frustration it was a box office disaster it wasn't

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marketed well and it just completely fell through the cracks and that's probably exactly what happened it would

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seemed like they trimmed it and cut it and it was confusing and then they added the well they thought it was computer

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and yes uh the late great Roger Ebert he's he's actually got a commentary on

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the Blu-ray okay and uh took part in a frame by frame analysis

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and when I say A frame by frame for artistic reasons and everything he was part of a panel that took this movie and

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advanced IT frame by frame and analyzed the artwork the background

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oh my God I don't know I can't imagine um and he provided commentary on the

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Blu-ray he is a fan of this movie now the director's cut eliminates this opening monologue which I think is

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entirely the correct call because it's been a long time since I've seen it and when that opening monologue kicked in

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I'm like what the hell is why are you telling us all this yeah he lays it all out yeah basically laid out later too yeah this is uh yes two times yeah it's

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an alien colony okay let's take a Ministry out of it yeah exactly because the reveal of seeing the dude uh the one

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get his head cracked open and the thing come out seeing that Visual and that being the reveal that there's something

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not right here is is way cooler than him saying it is called him the strangers and yeah yes it is very much a film Noir

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which is probably one of the reasons you know we talk about why you picked this one I am a huge fan of Noir I love Marlo

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I love Chandler all that stuff and this starts out as a very very much a hard-boiled film Noir piece okay dark

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all the time and mystery and but then you totally gut it with this model

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now the monologue was a last minute addition at the assistance of new line Cinema who were concerned that the

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audience wouldn't get it okay that's always to do with the producers you know yeah oh the audiences uh they're dumb

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they're not going to get it you know let me say I had to turn on the captions because I couldn't get it I couldn't

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understand well you kept falling asleep you can't keep falling asleep and expected to get them well like I said they said sleep yeah

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captions on at all times in my house oh my gosh I wasn't with captions as well

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but that's just because Stacy was sleeping I don't even want to wake her up right so I turned down a little bit and watched it uh because because uh

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um Blade Runner does this I think the the voiceovers by Harrison Ford and Blade Runner are not informative they're

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gratuitous and they're just a nuisance so there's actually a cut where I guess you don't have them there's like four cuts of directors I think there's five

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sir five yeah I got the box with all five in there and I watched it like once a millennium you know whatever uh

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anyway so we can look at this this prologue and the information we get

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it'll help set things up but it if if you have not seen this movie stop now

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and go watch it but do not watch the theatrical release it's there is one bit of the the voice over the beginning that

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I do like and I think it's towards the end of his his voice over and he um and I guess again from watching the movie

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you you would get this but I guess I like the one where he's talking about um I'm betraying my own yeah yeah right

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I like that one as far as explaining all the [ __ ] that we see later on I think a lot of movies do this

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um a lot of movies that have either a a voiceover or some sort of you know

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explaining [ __ ] yeah it annoys me because we see it again later on like they explain it to us and then we have

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to sit there and be bored out of our minds or go to the bathroom why you know one of the characters gets the same [ __ ]

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well on the way yeah well if you're gonna explain it twice then take it away from the front yes the whole producer's

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argument of oh they gotta get it it's [ __ ] in there like all this stuff that's exactly what I would have said if I was this guy arguing you know well the

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stuff that he you have me write in here he uh he must have been in his contract that he got a cut right then to have a

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director's cut it has to be they have to agree to it or whatever but yeah it's this idea of letting the audience

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discover along the way what's right you want to put the audience right in the middle of it and let them

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be confused for a while and then piece it together they're now they're invested you just tell everybody everything right

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yeah that was the thing is he tells you that they're he tells you in the monologue that they're switching places

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and they're doing it every day so when uh John Murdock wakes up in the bathtub

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yeah and he can't remember anything okay well we're just watching an experiment I'm not invested in his story I'm not

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invested in the murder where is this exactly yeah whereas if you were with this guy not knowing what he doesn't

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know and you're stumbling along in the dark with him and as he's piecing it together you're a piece that's that's no

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yeah you know so this I have this whole paragraph where I think it's entirely

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Superfluous in the prologue we learn the following things there was an alien race as old as time itself they possess the

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power to alter physical reality through willpower learning they call the tuning their civilization was in Decline and

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their race was dying out they left their Homeworld in search of a cure for their mortality which brought them to Earth

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they are a hive mind species and speculated that The Cure they thought could be found in the individual nature

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of humanity they abducted a significant portion of humanity transported them to a massive construct resembling the human

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City and harvested their individual memories where they could conduct experiments on them these experiments

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involve moving these harvested memories around from person to person and observing how they act and react having

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harvested these memories the human subjects have no actual memories of how they got there where they came from or

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who who they truly are or were one human is allowed knowledge of this Dr Schreiber who confesses he betrayed his

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own kind uh we're gonna I gotta do my Beats Music in a minute but that we're gonna now you just read that was the

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blurb or that was the voiceover that's the voiceover that's the information exactly that you get in the voiceover I listen yeah

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and some executive at new line was like oh I don't think they're gonna get it man maybe he kept falling asleep man

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every time you try to Scream the movie maybe sleep now Jim yeah anyway and I

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slept through these parts so just go ahead and cut those out well it doesn't seem like it's like the big metal spider

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in the wild wild west oh I wanted Spider-Man and put the big metal spider in there why well I like spider don't

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you think that'd be cool okay because anyway you're paying for it yeah right because that was part it was

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supposed to be part of some other movie that executive wanted and he didn't get it and now he's stuck it in Wild Wild West right and that's the story is that

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what it is I think so yes it definitely felt out of place that makes sense now yes I forget which movie it was supposed

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to be yeah I don't either I don't remember if you know the fans out there yeah that's no yeah all right well let's

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do let's do the bass because I don't even want to include this prologue as the beat but that there is this prologue

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watch the director's cut don't trust the art is not the executive anyway let's do the beats

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[Music] all right now I guess what I read

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um just on that prologue and I guess versus the director's cut so he takes the um the voiceover out right we didn't

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agree with you that means yeah that needs to go but also it's my understanding that with the director's cut you lose the kind of the hook

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because the first scene is everybody falling asleep at midnight like whether you're behind the wheel of a car it's

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not Burdock in the tub I haven't watched the directions cut in a long time and I did not seeing this is what I read but they said you lose that you know the

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first because the way the version we watched It's you have the the voice over right and you see keep yourself I guess you know look at his watch or whatever

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yes and then you see the whole city go to sleep right and whether you're behind the wheel or you're getting a haircut oh you no matter what you're doing you're

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going just talking about then the credits roll and then you start yeah so without the voiceover you would just see that and I and I agree either way it's a

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it's an interesting hook well um I think that all happens and then the opening credits roll of of dark city yeah in the

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director's cut you lose all of that yes and so the movie should open with Murdoch in the tub yes yeah oh you like

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that better oh yeah oh I like everybody just falling asleep just if you remove the voiceover then you're like what the [ __ ] why is everybody going to sleep

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like I'm hooked I think I think all that but I'd have to I'm almost positive that after the dark city you know the music

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Rising Fade to Black and then it comes up and Murdoch's in the tub yes would you say though in this kind of mystery

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having something that happens outside of the main character's orbit like you know

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what's going on more than the main character knows what's going on in a mystery like that like a murder mystery

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that turns into something else wouldn't it be preferential for the viewer not to have that information of what's going on

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until the main character I I don't think so yes because if you're ahead as the audience if you're ahead as a character in a murder mystery you're like oh my

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God why isn't this guy yeah so you see the doctor check his watch everybody fall asleep and then you see Rufus

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Sewell the whatever the characters John Murdock John Murdock wake up in the tub like we should be waking up with well I

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think I think Bryce and the writer had to have imagined we're gonna lead the audience one way and then we're gonna

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pull the rug from their feet this guy wakes up in a tub film Noir mystery blah blah blah in a

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few minutes we're going to pull the rug out from under their feet when they see an alien now anything can happen and that's you know rug pull or whatever

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yeah uh that is gutted I think yeah I'll be fine with that I just I I guess I

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like the hook of just the sure it's just the image is really really cool these people falling falling asleep you know

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like because you I mean they're clapping on the sidewalk inside shops in the behind the wheel of the cars and just

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all the cars come to us yeah if you want to reveal that this is not straight up murder mystery because oh I got you yeah

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if you just start with yeah okay both are autistic choices that I would be in favor of yeah I see what you're

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saying uh yeah it starts very same Spade Phillip Morrow yes Marlo and then right whoa what the [ __ ] yeah very dark room

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that light swinging and everything's you know it's never when was the last time you remember doing something during the

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day you know how do I anyway yeah um so that anyway I think rolling did you guys

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say what kind of movie this was was it a problem or is it monster in the house I think

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it's neither yeah I I think I have it down here I think it's superhero what did I I really do yeah yeah yeah yeah

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okay so I I did not pick that I looked at it let me see hold on that makes total sense because they're at the end I was like is this a Superman movie

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Matrix thing yeah okay so all right he's Neo saving Humanity right sure yeah okay

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because he's the only one that can tune I looked yes big his his special powers definitely would lead you that way I I

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think I almost have to because it says the for just for like a [ __ ] yeah go ahead superhero says the hero of your

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tail must have a special power even if it's just a mission to be great or do good yeah uh number two the hero must be

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opposed by Nemesis of equal or greater force this is the South Main version of the hero and then three there must be a

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curse for the hero uh that he either surmounts or succumbs to as the price I think all three are solid yes right

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there what do you have I because I was thinking dude with Rome initially or or even wide on it but I looked at why I

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done it um but we're given why five minutes seconds yeah yeah I went

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goalkeeper I have institutionalized hmm a group yeah you're a Humanity a

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choice uh burn it down suicidal sacrifice uh and uh

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uh yeah a group a group of choice and a sacrifice and so for that I have a group Humanity

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a choice Burn It Down join or suicide because uh wolinsky will

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choose suicide uh and uh I think I think uh bumps that

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the detective becomes the sacrifice he dies at the end and Murdoch Burns it

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down and remakes it by turning it to the sun it's turning that's literally what I said you know spoiler alert we're not

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there yet but yeah at the end when it turns it's like and he just cooked everybody just returned to the Sun the

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darkness of space to the sun there appears to be some force field around it because when Murdoch when when bomstad

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goes out he's floating and but you could see he goes through something you can see and something cold in the water once

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he fills the water yes and but you can see him go through some kind of field surrounding to provide air and this kind

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of thing right but James absolutely correct until she's just Sizzle from Sun to no sun no matter what you are as

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cooking I would have to assume that he's gonna rotate that where there are now day and night I you know and then he's

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gonna have flat earthers on there so this place is flat no it's round oh oh yes that's all true three months

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later uh everyone died of skin cancer that's right yeah but it's finally a

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sacrifice right you said uh must be made leading to one of three Innings join burn it down or commit suicide so which

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ending did he do then because he didn't he burned it down he burned it down because he burned down the institution

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made his own though okay all right yes yes um the sacrifice I want to say is is

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bumstick because he dies but uh who's the company man just the the guys the

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The Strangers Mr Hand who's the what Mr Hand was like for the second one on uninstitutionalized it's

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uh because it's his name is his name is Nemesis has got to be a uh a company man

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it says right because that's the institution that you're burning down or joining or whatever the aliens are the

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instant but Mr Hand is like the main villain of the institution it's the book yeah what

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book yeah Mr Hand is uh the guy's chasing him the whole time yeah and he's what Rocky Horror Picture Show actor I

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believe that's yeah he's the actor yeah interesting anyway so yeah I didn't think about that one though that's that's interesting but but the superhero

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is so well I thought it was dude with a problem because I don't know what I'm doing well no no

24:41

dude but the problem is almost always right because any hero in the story who is has a problem absolute 100

24:47

it's always the def that's a factor right but you know yeah but but the fact that all

24:55

three of us can can support what we're saying I think and some of that you get with sci-fi and

25:02

I don't want to say artistic films because I don't think it's that highfalutin I think it anybody it's accessible to anybody but I think it

25:09

does bear thoughtful analysis and so at that point I think you can have two or three

25:15

genres and be right right um I do I'll call it I I think it was a

25:22

not my cup of tea it's a whole different kind of category yeah yeah that was stage feels the same

25:28

way so she told the trailer and she goes nope yeah well I mean I feel that way about

25:34

you know any musical anymore I'm like nope anywhere any movie with the word

25:39

steel or Magnolias in it I probably you know for fried and green and tomatoes this is right Bed of Roses oh God crying

25:46

sister Circle anyway opening image I thought this was I thought this was could at some point in

25:54

some stories you could say okay the writer is thinking okay and and lighting stuff up the opening image Murdock naked

26:00

confused alone unsteady out of his element I'd say symbolized brilliantly by this Fish Out of Water image which

26:06

immediately follows he out of the bathtub to fish out of the bowl I thought man yep way to instill

26:12

confidence in me and the audience that we are incapable hands to the point where Murdoch is is unsteady is always

26:19

flopping around is gasping right same as I mean it's a mirror image in that fish and then he even has a saves the cat

26:25

moment when he puts the fish the detective says is you know what kind of person stop what kind of murderer stops

26:31

to pick up a fish save a fish uh we are given foreshadowing here and maybe I

26:38

make more of this than needs to be but he he helps the fish into the water he will help his fellow humans have a

26:45

future by turning water all around dark city and creating Shell Beach almost putting Humanity back in their bowl kind

26:52

of thing yeah uh because he's these beings have an aversion to water or phobia you could say is what he says

26:58

later on all this moisture yeah um yes the night was moist um and it is

27:05

uh yeah it was it yeah I definitely noticed that and he's the obviously they couldn't show everybody

27:11

doing everything but I feel like he's the only one in water too of all the people that are falling asleep and doing

27:16

their different you know daily activities he's the one in water he's the one that's different maybe that's the thing maybe out of all these

27:22

experiences I I just thought of this maybe out of all of the the tests that they've been doing on these individuals

27:28

he's the only one that at midnight he was in water and for some reason that gave him yeah could be maybe because

27:34

it's the first time they did it because they can move them around right they're right just in this experiment and he's

27:40

getting a haircut and haircut guys get in the water right in the tub at some point right if they move and that was

27:45

always confusing me they move everybody here some people I think it's just something they select different people like a handful at a time yeah because

27:51

not everybody in the stock bumps that has probably been a detective for a long time yeah yeah but he can't remember

27:57

well none of them can remember I don't we don't we're not given indication that he was ever someone makes a reference

28:03

that somebody you can wake up being anything even the detective so there is some indication that bumps that may have been something else something else at

28:09

one point but I think it's been a while since he's been manipulated for experimentation order sure uh he has

28:16

fragmented memories of Shell Beach and I I didn't really think of it till this viewing this whole idea of Shell Beach

28:22

uh and so I wrote shell to me means shell game and so for fun and Giggles

28:28

shell game a game involving sleight of hand in which three inverted cups or nutshells are moved about and

28:33

contestants must spot which is the one with the p or other object contained in so I think Shell Beach is intentional

28:40

because they are playing a shell game with people's memories with people's lives and nobody and and at some point

28:46

he will get on the subway and try to find Shell Beach oh you need the express line as he's watching so he's Shell

28:51

Beach is the marble he's looking for which is the key to his memories and it's being swapped all around Shell

28:56

Beach shell game I thought if they didn't do that even the people and their memories and everything is a shell game

29:02

yes people in their proximities they're moved or physically moving around like like no that's good yeah I think you're

29:08

on something so I thought that was cool uh this is still in the setup yeah yeah

29:13

uh striper calls him says he wants to help him but he must flee to avoid capture so immediately this is where I

29:20

thought if they'd just done this it's pretty good because now the audience is playing catch-up and that's good

29:25

um there are actually two factions pursuing him the strangers because the imprinting was ineffectual and bumpstead

29:30

in law because then he is now a suspect in the hooker murders they show it later on but just um just real quick during

29:36

the I guess the prologue when everybody the city goes to sleep yeah they show a movie theater and it says now showing

29:43

the evil the evil yes coming soon Book of Dreams yeah um and they call that later or whatever

29:49

but I just thought that was interesting yeah no I I looked at that and I wanted to try to make something of that because it's about sleeping and waking and

29:56

dreams yes right yeah very cool but now I don't know why maybe it means nothing but

30:01

because at the very end she's working at the theater and Book of Dreams is playing also but in the first time you

30:08

see Book of Dreams the O is missing it's B missing okay of dreams and in the in the remade Universe it's all pristine's

30:16

Book of Dreams I don't think that means anything I couldn't tell you what why but but yeah right yeah it was just

30:23

something amiss yeah in this place I gotta say something yeah

30:28

if you do watch this movie please make sure you are awake because I just realized that when I was falling in and

30:36

out of sleep if it becomes a lot more confusing because I fell asleep when the

30:42

man at the desk was saying you need to your wallets oh yeah cash on the barrelhead yeah and then I wake up it's

30:50

another guy and I'm like I think I just well you you were like metal on this movie because you were you were your

30:57

memories were like you're being Shell Games on that so maybe you should watch it I just go to sleep every 20 minutes

31:03

and wake up and you'll have a whole different experience it was oh my gosh having the trench coat

31:10

stranger guys show up sure he's like ah well when they were flying I was really

31:17

creeped out so sure with that I was like oh that I don't like that yes

31:23

um early on we do have some powerful symbols another powerful symbol is given schreiber's rat in the Maze coupled with

31:29

the statement that Burdock is in search of himself this I think this I don't think I know

31:35

this parallels the storming the castle scene at the end so this rat is running around in the cage as an experiment at the very end

31:41

they are moving through the Alleyways and channels of the outer walls of dark

31:47

city yeah uh and come up to a dead end that that maze they're going through I

31:52

think parallels the rat in the Maze so you're given the idea shell game every all these humans are rats in the

31:58

Maze they're contestants and wolinsky will say there's no way out no way out you know right I found a way in the knee

32:03

commit suicide or whatever um we got introduced to inspector

32:09

Bumstead uh he he says something that's kind of telling when the cop says I'm

32:14

glad you're here I'm glad you're here uh inspector I just take what they give me which is absolutely true right everybody

32:20

is just taking what they're given because they don't know and then he shows him uh your shoelaces are untied yes sir so even in his small

32:27

introduction is he's very methodical and observant yeah he's gonna catch yes whatever's going down if you notice at

32:34

the end of the movie his issues bumps that shoes untied he's not NEC at that point he is off the rails and out of his

32:41

zone and right is unsure of what is going on so I thought that was very cool from shoelace to shoelace uh uh

32:49

Schreiber will say he's in search of himself trying to trying to track Murdoch through his wife uh Murdoch says uh okay so uh yes

32:57

Schreiber will say he's inserted himself this parallel is storming the castle from the rat in the Maze symbol we move it directly so you so the scene ends

33:04

with the rat scurrying around the cage very next cut is Murdoch pacing up and

33:10

down the street trying to get his name and at some point he actually says John Murdoch but of course doesn't register right yeah he's trying to feel like oh

33:17

yeah my mouth has said that before yeah Jack Murdock pleased to meet you Jake how you doing you know trying to because he's got this job

33:25

the dead hooker in the apartment that he wakes up in and that's that's already happened right yeah she has the swirls

33:31

all over him and he's running again a symbol of the maze but yeah uh we learned later that that little kid I

33:38

can't remember what his name was Mr somebody but psychotic he's yeah he was the crazy Calvin yeah creepy little yeah

33:47

little bastard uh so yeah so uh uh Schreiber says that he

33:52

is in search of himself in the Maze cut to Murdock he's pacing and he says something when the street cleaner is

33:58

looking at him like he's weird I gotta get a grip on myself so there is this very much parallel of he's searching for

34:04

himself and Murdoch is admitting This I Gotta yeah get a grip on myself I didn't catch it yeah

34:10

um we introduced the bump status maybe okay we'll get to that in a second uh so

34:17

the movie is moving along two tracks The Strangers are seeking him and and so is law enforcement for these murders

34:24

um now I I forgot this happened as far as Murdoch being able to tune I

34:30

thought it came much later but he's looking for his wallet and he tunes and breaks that automat flipper to get his

34:36

wallet yeah the coin operated yeah food vending sir because I didn't know what an auto map was apparently it's a food

34:41

vending he's put like a carrot and a cake in there and you put a quote in the weird the weird part is I know like in

34:47

the trivia or whatever but they made the the era I guess you'd say you couldn't

34:53

tell if it was the: 1930

35:00

everybody's from different times right yeah yeah so that when he went to that I was like I've never seen one of those

35:05

places where they put food up you put the coin operated thing in lift the door and the cops look like they're from the

35:10

30s or 40s those you know they're not it's kind of weird like there's something I don't mean to put holes but like why would the guy put his his

35:17

wallet behind so I have all your money it's right here in your wallet and I'm gonna put it behind this thing that you

35:22

need money to access yeah I think this guy is his job is to push put the food

35:30

yeah he's not interested in when was I here when you left your wallet I wanted to leave my wallet last time you were here he doesn't want to be bothered

35:36

right well that's the thing so yeah after that I'm guessing I'm putting the pieces together it's like when they did

35:42

that midnight shift yeah who whatever guy they put in there they implanted the memory this guy left his wallet here's

35:48

the wallet that he left anybody don't remember we're gonna come back looking for it and he doesn't want to take the

35:54

time to try to because they're trying to set him up with these memories with everything as a murderer they're going to investigate a murderer type of thing

36:00

yes and once I was like oh yeah because they want to give him the memories of a murderer and see if he becomes put him

36:06

in the position to be murdered and and he will say we'll get to this but he'll say when he

36:12

is trying to track down who he is he goes he finally gets his wallet and gets his address and he goes and I have a

36:18

wife you know if this is where I'm supposed to live if you're supposed to be my wife supposed to be my wife you know so she's more sure at that point

36:24

right um he says something to the effect of I don't know who I am uh but uh I didn't

36:32

kill that girl and I know I'm not a murderer or something so he doesn't know who he is but he knows he's not that kind of thing right because he says I

36:37

went there to see if I could do that and I couldn't yeah test myself I don't know who I am but that's not me yeah because right after the at the auto mat some

36:45

cops stop him and harass him a little bit and then the the girl shows up yeah the hooker and he goes back yeah he goes

36:50

with her yes yes yeah there's a there's a killer around yeah you don't look like a killer right as she's getting

36:56

undressed ready for work uh we are introduced to wilenski now this is not

37:01

necessarily her but he is he's got to be a half band Yes yeah I I find now that I

37:06

know what a half man is yeah

37:12

is absolutely true Everything wilinsky says is 100 true now he may be crazy but it's probably

37:18

because he's got he realizes what's going on yeah but he definitely seems crazy because he's saying all this crazy

37:23

[ __ ] that nobody else believes what I didn't get is why weren't The Strangers hunting him down why hadn't he taken

37:28

care of him like why are they let him just run around rant and stuff because I don't think he can tune so yeah he can't

37:34

tune yeah so he's harmless because at some point he leaves him like if people started talking if he was on the corner

37:39

preaching people listening then they would take care of him yeah but nobody is and and and they'll say occasionally

37:45

this happens and we find them wandering around like children but this one you can tune and that's

37:52

that's sort of raised the bar on yeah so they thought he would just be another guy yeah which they probably yeah right

37:58

okay chase them down put the memories in his head and continue the experiment yes that's that's what they want to do and

38:03

but now they figure they have a bigger problem uh that's the setup The Strangers encounter him and he escapes

38:09

via his Newfound abilities he encounters bombs dead and with eight of Emma escapes saying who's gonna listen to him

38:15

yeah so he he he's trying to track this down when he comes out bumpstead is there waiting for him and you know he

38:20

says something telling who's going to listen to a Madman so I'm having this as the debate the debate seems to be who am

38:26

I am I mad am I a killer and my husband do these roles make me who I am these memories because he's trying to figure

38:32

out I have these memories but is that who I am no that's not me you're supposed to be my wife if you are but is

38:39

am I am you know so so that seems to be what he's debating yeah in a way I guess

38:45

his callous could almost be from the very get-go like it's it's Amnesia I don't know the [ __ ] I am yeah yeah

38:51

that's true because I don't know who I am and oh [ __ ] they think I'm a murderer too yes um I don't know that I'm not a

38:56

murderer I don't think I am yeah because in that sense the movie starts with the like the movie starts with the Catalyst

39:01

he gets the call the a catalyst is usually they call to Adventure and I like when it's a physical phone call and I think that's that happens within the

39:08

first couple of seconds yeah yes that's probably maybe that's why I didn't see one here because I was

39:14

looking for one later but yeah that's probably it yeah and so he spends a lot of time debating sleeping in the bathtub

39:21

yeah yeah that's true that is true that is good uh all right so the debate

39:27

continues bump's dead I guess bombs um yeah wolinski was maybe in charge of

39:32

this case but became completely unhinged and was put off the case and so bumpstead goes to wolinski to

39:38

get his files he finds his office and he says what I do deserve this or whatever because everything is in chaos so he

39:45

goes to uh bomb stick goes to wolensky Who's Who seems obsessed in a insane and

39:52

again this reference to the maze I'm riding the city in circles and there's no way out the rat in the Maze uh

39:58

discoveries are nowhere that's not my wife I don't know who she is I don't know who she is yeah absolutely and

40:03

everything but that's all true but you know Mom said further visit Schreiber and questions him so he's following

40:09

Clues the doctor's card has dropped uh that he picks up when America's fled

40:15

uh so this is I think the form of the debate who am I what are these memories that's not me uh still trying to solve

40:22

the mystery and now originally I had to break into too much earlier in this I checked the time and I'm like no that can't be it and so I pushed it back

40:29

um what did you have as your break into two I had it when he runs away from

40:34

brumstead after talking to the wife outside the apartment right because I guess in my head I was thinking okay

40:39

they think I'm a murderer I'm running but also felt like a good kind of you know possible if it's later

40:46

is when uh Trevor comes to him and tells them you know a little bit about his

40:51

power and stuff because he uses it to tune and push favor across the he's like because that's what I guess I feel like

40:57

that's the first mention of you know you can use the I can teach you to use these Powers you can you can save

41:02

them or whatever we gotta have time like he starts talking about that yeah yeah Point um and more than just figure out who you

41:09

are and you know and whether you're a murderer or not yeah like you know I guess I was trying to figure out is that just fun and games or is that break yeah

41:16

because I apologize when I initially had picked my fun and games I checked the time and I'm like no that can't be

41:21

that's that's too early and so then I watched a little bit more and I pegged another one breaking the two and it's

41:27

about 35 minutes I said okay that seems about right what'd you have uh the upside down world the second act is

41:33

literally the world turned upside down as the time of the next tuning arrives I'll go to sleep except for Murdock

41:38

Murdoch who walks screaming through the city for everyone to wake up and and so this at this point he actually takes at

41:45

this point he's been questioning debating trying to figure out but at this point he takes affirmative action by going and threatening and actually

41:51

assaulting Schreiber what's going on tell me what's going on and he uses his tuning and throws them across the street

41:57

um and that's about 35 minutes and said well that seems more right I think it is right yeah yeah because I had I had some of that like

42:04

witnessing waking up uh wake up witnessing the the tuning as part of the if you'd already broken into as part of

42:10

the fun and games but that's still yeah especially the movie's done right and you remove the prologue that's the

42:15

first time we see that that's still set up that's still explaining what the [ __ ] going on yeah weird world so yeah

42:20

I thought myself like as soon as it hit midnight and the clock started twisting and the whole city I was like okay we're

42:26

in the second now it's turning into the upside down world yeah yeah um now I did have a problem with the B

42:32

story is it either Emma or Schreiber who do you do I think the love of interest but Schreiber is the one that brings

42:38

them around I thought it was Schreiber oh that's that's the weird part I was going to bring up is that the the

42:44

the dialogue and the prologue of Kiefer Sutherland telling you what's going on yeah and then it turns out that he's

42:49

just a b character like he's the B story yeah that that bug man like why are you having a b story yeah character right

42:56

you thought it should have been the main guy yeah it should have been the main like I woke up in a bathtub and I didn't like what's going on the pool nor stuff

43:02

yeah it's the main guy narrating it yeah yes uh yeah that that's again speaks to it being tacked on at the end yeah it

43:09

keeper here's an extra 500 bucks do you mind yeah come on in and he's like it's 500 bucks a word

43:15

yes uh so at that point I mean this was very weird in the movie yeah halting and

43:22

and yeah I mean obviously on purpose but yeah well I liked how it you know it he's limping in his eye I guess it's because they literally at the beginning

43:28

yeah the reveal at the end shows that he had to do all that yeah he was bad shape yeah they'd beat him up yeah he resisted

43:35

and lost I guess yeah oh so then we're in the fun game so he's kind of a half man too yeah yes I think

43:42

so uh yeah uh The Strangers imp so I guess now we're into the Fun and Games The

43:48

Strangers in print one of their own to track Murdoch Murdoch tracks Carl Harris this has never worked before yes the

43:55

sender of the postcard plays the shell game of Shell Beach he'd ride in the subway can't seem to get on the right Subway you want the express everybody

44:01

knows everybody knows where everybody's been to Shell Beach but nobody can tell them right yeah you just uh you go uh

44:08

Jesus over the bridge or is it right Western nobody can find it uh wolinsky

44:14

meets Murdoch and tells him about the shell getting and you know he actually he everything he said like I said every

44:19

time he talks it's all true uh tells him about the shell game being played and offers his own solution to the puzzle

44:24

jumps in front of the so his only way out was to kill himself yeah which at that point

44:31

uh and that's why I started thinking instantly yeah okay I would say and it never it never explained how they deal

44:37

with death there like uh can they just take his body and reap well um back

44:43

together and put a new brain in one of the aliens says we use your we use your dead as vessel yeah so that little blue

44:49

thing that comes out of the guy's head that's what they really look like so yeah he that guy that would have been

44:55

kind of cool to see valinski is one of them later on oh yeah yeah that's true yeah that would have been good so

45:00

apparently these bodies are dead people that they've so that means a little kid got hit by Carson well like they're

45:06

always whipping out these knives like they're gonna stab him it's like okay well you're all stuck here we could just reprogram you you're gonna kill I'm

45:15

gonna stab you yeah right I I think it was menacing I mean sure it definitely is menacing and we don't know what's

45:20

going on sure but they can tune you know anyway yeah yeah what do you need to ask

45:25

for when you can imagine yeah uh no midpoint I have a false defeat is that what you had what are you how does your

45:33

I don't know I had balls false Victory okay on his quest for answers he visits

45:39

Carl and and and and I guess it's something I understand early on he finds

45:44

the brief the suitcase that says KH and that's immediately throws it away okay why does he do that what what's I didn't

45:50

understand I never did get that anyway Carl Harris I guess what is his grandfather or uncle uncle uncle wait

45:56

hold on he finds that in the motel in the motel where the dead hooker yeah yeah if he thinks and he doesn't

46:02

know who he is but he thinks that's me this is evidence let me get rid of this [ __ ] yeah that could be maybe yeah that

46:07

makes sense but was that part of his Pat no that was part of his new future life like they were setting up okay H like

46:15

here's his briefcase here's this thing he's KH is going to be yeah he's going to be Carl hard yeah yeah

46:29

yeah still carrying the KH that's interesting so they were going to switch everybody around and probably I guess

46:35

yeah no that makes sense it's part of the confusion did you see him down in the in the lower parts making various items that they're going

46:43

to plant for people's lives yes right that's good yeah we need family

46:48

photos we need documentation yeah all right so I'll tell you what my false

46:54

defeat is and then you can all right uh uh what were you gonna say sorry I said

46:59

yeah no okay on his quest for answers he visits Carl learns his past now there was a fire in his Youth and he was

47:06

burned and scarred only there isn't any scar now in trying to learn the truth he only learns that everything is a lie and

47:11

he actually screams this what does it mean what does it mean John everything's a lie so to me it's a false defeat

47:17

because he he gets he goes to get his answers and he thinks he has the answers okay now I'm getting somewhere but then

47:24

there's the scar no Scar and he and he's defeated he's like okay I thought I had my answers but it's all a lie yeah no

47:31

that's good that's probably a better one I have because I have him like I guess probably too late when uh uh bum said

47:38

saves him like they're chasing him he gets in the car like it's full of Victory because he gets away but then they immediately bad guys close in

47:44

because they come into the uh station yeah and he's has the memories you know

47:50

been imprinted over the memories of her murder so now he's just [ __ ] killing people left and right now that guy is Mr

47:55

Hayne yes all right yeah yeah um but you know the I didn't put I guess

48:01

as much enough stock in the reveal with you know Uncle Carl and [ __ ] and then yeah yeah so that that sounds better to

48:08

me well yeah because then he he turns him in basically makes the phone call and says

48:13

yeah that's that's gonna be some of my yes yeah um which is could be bad guys closed in

48:19

yeah I think I have a little girl so yeah I think you're right I have some that is the bad guys closing uh Emma

48:25

Emma goes to the hooker's house to talk to her and Bumstead meets her there and

48:31

Uncle Carl calls and then and then bumps that take I was trying to remember the sequence events Bumstead takes her home

48:37

Carl calls her and says he's here yep uh and Emma out of concern I guess tells

48:43

bumpstead and bumpstead says I can't promise anything and they go are now going to go get him at Carl's meanwhile

48:49

Mr Hannah the one of the guys who's been imprinted is watching through the window learns of Carl this is how they it all

48:57

comes together and I had to watch that again this morning because I couldn't remember yeah um the city literally changes under

49:03

Murdock's feet and strangers The Strangers catch up to [ __ ] bad guys closing is what I'm having is that yeah

49:08

and I mean and they did a little bit of it but I to me it would have been I guess just rules of the world it would

49:13

have been a little bit cooler to see them use the tuning more yeah um like when he's hanging from the window ledge and the kid has the knife

49:20

and decides to get down and bite him yeah right and then he there's part of the building that's going up yeah

49:26

because the guys down in the basement doing this little chant thing those are the guys that are tuning in and moving

49:31

the hot mind is making the whole city all at once yeah all right but it's our hive mind so they

49:36

can all see everything I would assume yeah so just he Murdoch jumps on the

49:41

part of the building that's moving up right yeah and gets away from the kid rewarding the kid just extend the window or do like use the the world rooms you

49:48

can tune [ __ ] move that window oh he's running away from you have the stairs turn into a [ __ ] wall now he can't you know what I mean that would

49:53

have been cool if they'd done more not like doctor strange and yeah yeah it would have been cool if they'd done stuff like that it does go to the rules

49:59

of the world too they do it a little bit especially in the fight at the end I feel like he's starting to use the environment around him yes it's kind of

50:05

your brother with one earlier what do you need knives and [ __ ] well that would have been cooler if the strangers who were familiar with this had done that I

50:11

get Murdoch not doing it right away that was the only thing it's like what does tuning do other than manipulation

50:16

because like he makes a door in walls and then they move the stuff and then it blows people backwards like it doesn't

50:22

explode them doesn't take their heads off it just pushes them backwards yeah it's manipulate physical I don't know

50:28

yeah no but yeah but if you can do all that then push the guy backward and trap him behind a brick wall push that book

50:34

brick through his [ __ ] brain this is James saying you don't like Superman take the stairs right right yeah it's

50:40

like in a doctor strange you know when he pushes Dr Strange against I'm sorry Infinity War might not have seen it but

50:47

he one of the bad guys takes Doctor Strange up and then manipulates the building to hold him down and then he's

50:53

like all right I'm gonna rip this off you that's what these guys in my thought should have been done way before any of

50:59

that but sure yeah I mean there weren't a lot of like yeah there's all kinds of stuff though yeah have a window shatter and then now shards of glass are flying

51:05

at people exactly yeah all kinds of cool stuff yeah yeah don't let Superman take the stairs exactly yeah well you want to

51:12

talk about the The Stranger who got squished by the building I'm like take your jacket off dude you know he's

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trying to pull pull yeah or tune the [ __ ] and stop it from getting sourced yeah doing an open window now you're in

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a [ __ ] elevator going down away from him there's all a million things that would make I did like the splashes of

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blood though of very dark blood every time they die but that would make it the steak so much higher if these things

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were much harder to kill in my opinion like they were able to manipulate that right now it's like oh my God the stakes

51:43

are so high how is he gonna fix this right right and it is the danger of having almost omnipotent Powers now you

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know how how much is too much how much makes it too much in his hands so I

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think you can have these problems when you create power you could even make it you know are they a high I mean there's

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no thought about this like you could have made it where some of them only have certain powers you can only even almost like an expert

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thing you only you can only move metal you can only move from wood or that way to limit it right you know what I mean

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because there's only a group of them that can change the world there's always a group after them right in a group of teams were so maybe yeah sure with our

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combined Powers but here we are writing the story afterwards individually I think they can manipulate but it takes

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all of them to change that whole city yeah so I don't you know maybe some of that isn't that I don't know but all

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this is valid because it it's very dangerous when you come up with almost omnipotent powers like that yeah I don't even know or calls in your stuff man but

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uh well I just had that thought like it would have been cooler like more fun enjoyable set pieces that's what was my

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initial Point uh All Is Lost I have as a false Victory

52:53

Murdoch manages to Open bomstad's Eyes about what is going on to some degree what is the last thing you remember

52:59

doing during the day how do you explain this he's floating the book now bomstead is beginning to come on board yeah

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because he gets mad at him yeah the other so now that we've reached that part yeah Bumstead he carries around an

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accordion yes he plays at some point what damage he's playing it it could

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have been a harmonica yeah stopwatch it could have been anything but it's a [ __ ] it's beautiful but it

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is a huge instrument that probably weighs 5x and you know tell you the truth I don't even know when I got it

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how would I how how do you think I could forget a thing like that you know but yeah I'm freaking yeah she should have been like I don't know because that

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thing's [ __ ] huge man maybe that's he really played what was that actor's name

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oh William Hurt but no I think it was a great job it's cool no that that's cool okay it is very strange Choice it's a

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strange Choice it could have been anything else he's reading trip Master this is harmonica can we change that to

53:52

our recordings unless we've changed it to accordion okay Mr hurt I've been listening to a

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lot of Weird Al lately yeah it is weird it is very strange

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um he's coming around uh he's now believing it because he yeah what you haven't when's the last time you did

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something in the daylight or yes I don't know I'm probably reaching down accordion does this yeah yeah I don't

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know yeah I don't know change of shape I don't know I'll probably read it yeah probably reaching uh yeah Dark Knight of

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the Soul Murdoch is separated from his wife who is convinced that they really didn't separated from his accordion

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uh she is convinced that they really were and are in love the Betrayal never happened and he is not a murderer she

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says you uh tell me something like that up you can't make yeah we were in love you can't make something like that up I

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I initially thought he said yes you can but he said no you can't and then he separated from her the whiff

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of death I think Bumstead learns of well oh you skipped something but I skipped he shatters the glass and no one reacts

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whatsoever oh he showers her with [ __ ] glass pieces now now so he can reach for us and touch her right she

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doesn't react the [ __ ] guards don't react nobody yeah nobody get a little moment and then he gets dragged away I

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was like wait what and to be honest and you're right it never occurred to me I don't know why

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they're doing this now it was into the scene you're like oh that's sweet yeah yeah I I

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[Music] it is reported that you can see much

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like Indiana Jones you can see the second pane of glass I don't know what you're talking about I don't see that second painting glass in Indiana Jones

55:31

He is face to face uh you could because the to film that there was a second pane of glass in

55:38

front of uh I didn't see it I didn't notice it I never saw it but apparently I'm sure somebody said you could see it if you looked at

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it a certain way or whatever oh it's so weird nobody reacted yes yeah now that

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you mentioned it well I thought the same thing because I'm like why didn't the guards jump

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or her yeah I I don't have an answer and I'm almost embarrassed to say I never

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thought of it uh the whiff of death bumpstead learns of valinsky suicide the captain is killed by The Strangers upon

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discovery of Murdoch's Escape there's always that always but there's this whiff of death usually what the

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death is Mentor sometimes or yeah yeah uh which I guess it kind of true I don't

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want to say wolinsky's the mentor but he's definitely the one who knows I bet you're always lost uh Dark Knight of the

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Soul almost lost that is a false Victory moves of false Victory bombstead's eyes about uh Murdoch is able to convince oh

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you said that okay yeah um what is the last thing you remember doing during the day and he can't remember and and he sees once he sees

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that floating book he's got to know something's up yeah all right I'm calling that a false Victory because he

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has achieved some victory but it's not everything that he needs and wants bumps

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did shoelaces untied now things are starting to come undone I say compared with the previous shoelacy in order

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uh Bumstead is now invested he releases Murdoch and joins him on his quest which brings us to what I'm calling the break

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into three yeah okay yeah so the Shell Beach uh like not being a poster not not

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really existing is that like a part of the Hightower surprise okay so breaking the three Gathering the team it's going

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to be bumpstead murak and Schreiber you know storming the castle going to Shell Beach uh where we now see this this I

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thought they did well I call it we were given a nice Pope in the pool scene as they're rowing and schraper is giving

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his I thought that was entirely appropriate I thought it was boring because he tells us the same [ __ ] I sure saw at the beginning the scene is

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totally gutted yeah absolutely no no it is good it's remove the shitty [ __ ] prologue it's done very well now about

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the right time that you can start putting oh okay that means that whatever I think it lends as far as it working is

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because boomstead is now going well what else happened like he's invested he's asking the question yes and I got

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information from that that I'd forgotten uh that

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I know but when I very very first saw this I thought this was Earth uh or something

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they I don't know what I thought but I didn't think that they were taken away from Earth

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and and and that they couldn't remember Earth I guess that was even the bigger thing to me that I got just from where

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I'm sorry I can't remember yeah right that I've forgotten you know um but that wasn't given in the prologue

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you're giving it there and it's like oh that so so it's right at the right place that whole prologue needs to go do not

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watch the theatrical cut all right so the high tower surprise uh Shell Beach is only a poster there is nothing beyond

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the city walls it's what I'm uh the strangest cat strangers attack he is

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captured and bumped at his sacrifice I'm listening as the yeah that's good dig through the wall to figure out and see

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space and [ __ ] yeah almost gets sucked out yeah the dig deep down you do get sucked out yeah and then they do get

58:52

sick yeah yeah I want to step back quite a bit you know as soon as I realized oh [ __ ] there's [ __ ] space out there yeah yes uh accidentally fall and get

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sucked up yes and and then yeah so I guess yours again your your Beats sound

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right but I guess I had that packed as though that all was lost because we lose Bumstead and yeah it's a false you know

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defeat because it's yeah they're still there but um that doesn't match up with the rest of your stuff well that's the high tower

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surprise then Schreiber coming up because I didn't have much of a break into three on my notes the way it goes is it's he surrenders himself but that's

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like a dark knight right and then Shriver breaking into three coming up with the plan to give him the the

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different memories but in your version right that's the coming up after the Hightower surprise that's a new plan yes

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dig deep down yeah that works better than just Shriver breaking into three as opposed to Murdoch right right I I yeah

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dig deep down he's okay so he's captured bump status sacrifice uh the dig deep down he's given his true

59:48

Memories Back and the knowledge of the strangers he needs by Schreiber so there's this whole almost like the

59:54

Matrix thing where he's Schreiber is in his memories you're doing great John but you're gonna have to the machine and I

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thought that was very very cool uh the new plan Murdoch conquers the strangers with his heightened skill

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faces the big boss in ground and aerial combat controlling the machine he makes an end of The Stranger so the new planet

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is this big battle which I thought was kind of cool yeah like that was cool uh leading us to the final image a man in

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control from gasping unsteady confused fish out of water to the exact opposite calm steady fully aware from a fish out

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of water and a strange Dark World to a man in control and back in his environment in a bright sunny World from

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alone and not himself uh to with his wife and full knowledge of who he is the

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rat having discovered that the only way out of the maze is through the wall and to remake the maze to more of his own

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liking so the rat the rat never had an out in that maze until they broke through the wall yeah sure because it

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ends with them outside the wall outside the walls of this maze the city is his Fishbowl but now a fishbowl of his own

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making and taste the city the city will always be the maze like they're not going to get back to her nobody remembers her nobody remembers how to

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get back there after maybe he could fashion a spaceship but where would they go so I think the city

:: 01:09

will always be his maze his Fishbowl but one in which he is no longer the subject of testing and experimentation yeah

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because she's now Anna right because she'd been you know re uh oh is that right yeah

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you soon will be yeah so she is she's Anna now but but now the The Strangers

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the bad guys I guess are gone um she said you can't make something like that up so ideally that they will

:: 01:33

fall in love again and for new memories and none of it will be fake it'll all be real yes and and and

:: 01:38

he just I I thought that he pursued her but he stays there she's walking away and she turns because you want to come

:: 01:44

with me yeah yeah yeah so yes I think that's exactly what you're saying that new mermaid is going to be made and if

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they were in love with Emma that love is real and they will be in love as Anna

:: 01:55

and if she doesn't do what he wants he'll just tune her anyway so right yes so

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it's so sad that um she was a a lounge singer or whatever now she's a

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clerk or whatever yeah I'm like so now yeah well now you're just stuck in

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whatever you ended up in what would yeah that's good because yeah because

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[ __ ] selling movie tickets or some sultry Lounge singer I want to be the sultry I'm sure you know what I mean

:: 02:24

that's those are my choices but at this point you would be free to you would have a

:: 02:29

day and night and that you you automatically have the friends that would be my luck I would be stuck doing yeah the two you know I'm finally Gonna

:: 02:36

Get Off The Night Shift versus you know but just think of that existential crisis afterwards after everything is

:: 02:41

said and done it's like oh nothing has meaning anymore we're all just people space money doesn't have a thing I think

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that's and I think that's some of the question that the movie asks because you know you read articles and everybody speculates what what is the meaning here

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are we the sum of our memories or uh you know or are we individual because Murdoch will say you were looking for

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what it makes what makes us individuals and human you were looking up here but that's not so there's this this

:: 03:07

existential question exactly right what what does it mean to be human what does it mean to be individual and right is it

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memories is it experiences is it whatever you know these are the questions I think meant to

:: 03:20

be asked by the movie may be in Clumsy ways maybe not at other times but

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um so I think there are I think there are some problems that I think we pointed them out but at the end of the day it's one of those movies that I

:: 03:32

still enjoy watching you know I enjoyed it way more than I thought I was gonna do and it wasn't like what I'd seen him before but it wasn't like what I had

:: 03:37

remembered at all yeah so that's cool I like the tone I like Noir I think Rufus

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Sewell does a great job I really like him in this movie he's always good yeah I really like him Kiefer Sutherland he

:: 03:48

played a Nazi and um man in the high tower man in the high tower yes yes yeah and he's the best He's the bad guy in

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Knights Tail as well yeah yeah oh yeah I never did finish it

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hmm anyway all right so that's that's Dark Tower any Dark Tower Dark Tower

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dark city what movie are we reviewing anyway any thoughts questions

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uh concerns comments no okay yeah I don't know I guess I'm

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you know well it was over I was like man it's a shame we didn't get like a sequel you know and like because the you know some more strangers show up you know

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because you know Outpost 37 is going to Rye now and so you know because if they're doing this type of experiment

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all over the [ __ ] place you know and maybe you know oh more bad guys show up and I

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think this was meant to be kind of artsy sure I I've never seen Metropolis which is a like a 30s uh German film or

:: 04:42

whatever but yeah Brazil too yeah the true yeah that's another one I kept seeing being mentioned it drew heavily upon images and because because

:: 04:49

Metropolis very much deals with those kind of themes too but it's opening up yeah yes and working class versus uh the

:: 04:57

the rich class in Metropolis but here it's yeah because we're any uh Schreiber when he's rearranging people he's like

:: 05:03

in the rich become richer yeah you'll have a Maids quarters by the time the

:: 05:08

night's done or whatever right um somebody had mentioned that that big mask was was designed specifically to

:: 05:15

look like Hal in 2001 oh that's funny uh and made some allusion to some of the

:: 05:21

themes in that I don't know if that's true or not but it looks like I don't know right anyway all right any other

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comments thoughts nope all right let's do our past consider [Music]

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I recommend it I recommend it as a caveat a couple of them I think some of

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the issues we raise are legit as far as rules of the world and other things and I think this opening prologue is garbage

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so watch the the director's cut um but

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if and and so it's almost a catch-22 think about it a little deeper because I

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think there are deep themes in this movie that are brought out but at that point you can also run the risk of

:: 06:06

running a ride with some of the rules of the world that maybe don't make as much sense as we like so you know it is a

:: 06:13

catch-22 about how deep you want to go and discover the good and the bad but I think as a movie I enjoyed every time I

:: 06:20

watch it and I I would recommend the director's cut obviously um I'm gonna pass on this version I

:: 06:26

might consider the director's cut without the stuff because there were parts of this movie where it caught me

:: 06:33

and I was like this is pretty good yeah I'm invest like the boat rowing thing you're explaining and some of that third

:: 06:39

act a little bit but they're in the second third act it was really good yeah so but yeah

:: 06:47

I wanted to like it right I just didn't yeah yeah so we talked about this with

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uh with uh Throw Mama and a bunch of other movies the movie can have flaws but if it if it

:: 06:59

serves you and makes you feel good or the way you want to feel you'll forgive them but if it has flaws and it doesn't

:: 07:04

make you feel you're less forgiving so yep you know I think you I think yeah I think it comes down to just I guess

:: 07:10

individual like what you connect with what you know it you know if enough of it works for you you're able to forget

:: 07:16

the other stuff but if it doesn't then you're like nope and this kind of movie

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I think is problematic in the sense that it is not going to nail everybody where sure you know the stranger more weird

:: 07:29

movies yes you know it strangers are more weird the movie is yeah the smaller your project is going to be yeah I think

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I think that we may have discovered why I didn't like it all the way through and I think it may come down to the rules of

:: 07:41

the world yeah I think that's just it that's that's a big one for me A lot of times like if I start poking holes in a

:: 07:47

Google wait a minute why didn't this work and what an investors are doing that and also I start picking it it's like pulling on a thread well now you're

:: 07:53

out of the movie yeah you're totally out as soon as you start asking questions you're no longer in the movie enjoying

:: 07:58

it you're an outside Observer and at that point they've lost you yeah you've lost the move yeah that sucks that's like one of

:: 08:05

the worst feelings in the world especially when it's like you know Star Wars or something like Mandalorian like um yeah lace hates it when I start

:: 08:10

picking the episode apart oh sure yeah not that kind of movie kid but uh anyway because it's something if you go into it

:: 08:17

expecting to like it or it's a sequel to A series that you like or something or it's got you know whatever right you

:: 08:22

have these extra you know I struggle to have high expectations or try to go in with everything with lower expectations

:: 08:28

but yeah it sucks when you start catching stuff and it pulls you out and you're like damn it I wanted to like

:: 08:33

that like you said I wanted to like this movie but it pissed me off you know well a lot of the movies like like Throw Mama and even this one that I watched before

:: 08:40

I even knew stories mechanics and really liked I still like because I liked it

:: 08:46

before I knew but say I knew all this before yeah you know it works anyway too yeah

:: 08:53

yeah it works that way too so um it's a recommend for me um if you if you you know if you like sci-fi stuff

:: 09:00

and and you know twisting mind-bending stuff um and like we talked about there's Matrix definitely has way more fun

:: 09:07

action set pieces yeah um but yeah there's I don't know there's a lot of stuff

:: 09:12

but then again like the rules the rules of the world and the Matrix all makes

:: 09:17

sense yeah but I don't know there's just there's a lot of stuff well right well yeah

:: 09:25

basically want to watch that one too there's a lot of intriguing stuff in this one like I said I guess I went in

:: 09:30

with low expectations and um I mean how I watched the trailer and I know I've seen this movie I watched it I'm like

:: 09:36

yeah this looks kind of cool that's not what I remembered at all yeah so watch it yeah as soon as that dudes even though he pulls the [ __ ] at the

:: 09:41

beginning as soon as that one guy's head gets cracked open and a little blue alien thing crawls out I'm like all right I don't know the [ __ ] going on

:: 09:47

here but let's yeah that's interesting and to your point is from a writer is the the fish out of water thing I got

:: 09:54

that immediately so I was hooked that kind of stuff any kind of good writing I'm I'm forgiving a lot of [ __ ] yeah you

:: 10:00

can make

:: 10:14

I like Matrix but I really love Matrix one every all the others I'm not agree

:: 10:19

thrilled about I watched Matrix resurrections the very last one yeah trash yeah it's crap that movie is crap

:: 10:26

I didn't like it I did not like it at all because I have it on digital I got on a discount and I was thinking okay

:: 10:32

well I'm gonna buy this on Blu-ray too and I watched him like now the only thing I liked about it was the um how

:: 10:38

they made the it was all like a video game like this stuff the events that have happened in the trilogy were now a

:: 10:44

popular video yeah sure to put them back in the system I like that but yeah Matrix one and everything else I don't

:: 10:50

know and I liked reloaded um because I liked where it was going like the whole stuff with the architect

:: 10:55

and all that but yeah I mean the way the series ended it was not a fan no I'm not a fan all right Sherry I mean I don't know why

:: 11:02

I'm either gonna ask I think she was sleeping while we were doing this whole thing yeah and sleep now she woke up now am I surprised you I would say I

:: 11:11

consider it really yeah that's right let me tell you why okay I thought it was like a [ __ ] pass get this [ __ ] out

:: 11:16

yeah no um like a fruit stand on the highway don't

:: 11:22

start watching it if you are sleepy that's right because it you have to pay

:: 11:27

attention you really do have to pay attention and it made more sense you know really yeah I understand no I had

:: 11:35

to she was just learned that to me yeah I was that's yeah anyway

:: 11:41

um now I forgot what I was saying oh um I did like the actors that were in it yeah I did too and I think that kept me

:: 11:47

kind of interested at first and then just certain things would happen like

:: 11:54

um when the the guy who knew what was going on he was like going on and on

:: 12:00

talking yeah and then he jumps in front of the train I'm like okay I really need to see the end of this you know it is

:: 12:07

like once you started it's like okay I gotta see where this is going right right but to actually sit down and say

:: 12:13

okay I want to watch this movie or to pick it or something yeah so that's why

:: 12:18

I say consider I like yeah I liked William Hurt I I could watch him play that character in a full straight up

:: 12:24

mood yeah I did I do like him and I didn't like him in this yes he's one of

:: 12:29

those guys I could watch almost anything I would give the the director's cut a solid chance sure I I would yeah like I

:: 12:35

rented it for 2.99 and I could have bought it for 9.99 and once I was done watching I was like damn I wish I'd bought it well I was exactly the

:: 12:42

opposite 2.99 yeah damn it yeah I mean but you know why wasn't it on whatever the

:: 12:48

director's cut would have been better I might consider can you find it I haven't looked well it's on the Blu-rays both

:: 12:54

versions I'm sure I bought that Blu-ray on the cheap I mean you buy a hard drive okay I've looked for a hard copy for you know

:: 13:01

two days now we couldn't find it we went to the RnB Place yeah and nobody had it

:: 13:08

but um as as a general whatever uh rule for me I don't like

:: 13:15

movies that are just it was night time the whole time yeah yeah it's dark Noir

:: 13:20

is always I don't like that yeah I think Stacy's like that too she doesn't like night stuff or apocalyptic stuff like

:: 13:26

we're just too dark and too depressing well the the darkness I mean Noir May mean dark I can't even

:: 13:33

remember now it does yeah it does uh it is definitely meant to create a mood all

:: 13:39

the Marlow stuff all the hardball detectives always night uh and it's the city is always gritty and dirty and

:: 13:45

criminal and and there's always Jazz going on in the background smoke lonely trumpet yes it is the all the

:: 13:52

cinematography is meant to create a mood which this detective like uh Who Framed Roger Who Framed Roger Rabbit I remember

:: 13:59

watching it I don't remember the movie but it's got bright cartoon characters

:: 14:06

to contrast that yeah and their scenes during the day and stuff but the feel is very 40s

:: 14:12

yeah I was just curious corruption cops are corrupt there's usually these stock like you want to talk about stock

:: 14:17

characters there's the Femme Fatale the the crookly cops the I'm not bad I'm just throwing that way yeah right yeah

:: 14:23

anyway yeah anyhow all right well that's dark city surprise me share I thought you were like said

:: 14:29

that he was no pass I fell asleep because this movie was so bad I was putting it off to the last

:: 14:35

minute that's probably why I was so sleepy she was not she's not interested in what interested in this and so for

:: 14:40

her to say even that is that's in advance well I mean like I said I like the the actors in it and yeah

:: 14:47

you know a couple of things happen and I'm like hmm okay let me see where this is I think what they what what they did

:: 14:54

well they did very well and the weak points and even by the end I'm like when that knife was coming at the guy I said

:: 15:00

turn it around so yeah and I got into it some of that almost I don't wanna because I enjoyed

:: 15:06

it all but some of that almost almost went over the edge of being a little too much but not not enough to put me over the

:: 15:14

edge on that it was pretty damn close you're right yeah I was with sure I was like oh he's using the he's tuning the

:: 15:21

knife now you know everybody else will just just pulls them out try to stab whatever he's throwing it yeah I still think you know that could have been

:: 15:26

using his mind he could have thrown anything at him but sure no right but yeah but I was yeah what they did the

:: 15:32

way they float in the air all stiff and creepy like yeah I was with it um ready if I could float like that I

:: 15:38

wouldn't walk anywhere right that's right and you know all right I have two noodles or a tuna [ __ ]

:: 15:46

slide for myself so I could just slide down where I need to go or elevator floating thing um like I said I fell

:: 15:53

asleep I woke up saw them floating but when I started it over and they walk out of that elevator towards the room I'm

:: 15:58

like why are they walking I thought they float yeah just get right up to the window and go in that's just for you

:: 16:05

know yeah Superman taking the stairs yes and that's the problem with these omnipotent and that's part of the reason

:: 16:10

I'm like yeah but that would have been cooler like have them floating down that Hall as opposed to walking yeah sure

:: 16:17

that would have been really creepy yeah they're just the wall just see like a shot of their feet on the ground very

:: 16:23

menacing yeah no all right so and this is the other problem though and we're going to shut

:: 16:29

this down but this is the other problem with mixed genre movies right it's Noir no it's science fiction no it's

:: 16:34

superhero uh you really walk a line and

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and it becomes as a Noir I thought it was amazing as the science fiction piece I was more sold on the Noir I would like

:: 16:47

those yeah you know so mixed genres can be a problem

:: 16:52

Cowboys and Aliens I don't know if I ever saw that but I don't know I liked that one I remember liking that one right it's weird it's one of those

:: 16:58

movies I remember liking but how many times have I watched it probably just the ones yeah and what was the other one on uh Mars Bars attacks no not no

:: 17:05

attacks uh uh red planet with Val Kilmer no it was

:: 17:11

with the 1800s and he goes up there uh oh John Carter I've seen that one a

:: 17:16

couple of times I like that one isn't that like the guy wrote it not like an old story like that's before Star Wars

:: 17:22

yeah but like like yes Edgar Rice Burrough yes so it's over 100 years old

:: 17:27

that's what I'm saying yeah and it was it was good when I sat down and watched it I enjoyed it it's a big fun movie but

:: 17:33

it made it made zero money because you know Disney's like you know they're all about you know Studios IP right yeah but

:: 17:39

you picked an IP that's 100 years old nobody [ __ ] knows that's the thing that like how many Blue Beetle I don't I

:: 17:44

never I'm not a comic book fan so maybe I don't have any clue about that I've got one through a thousand on the Blue Beetle I didn't even know it was such a

:: 17:50

thing yeah it looks dumb did you watch trailers no I did not I was in it looks not it looks dumb and you know it looks

:: 17:56

like it's in Focus yeah exactly that late was all excited I'm like he was excited about Blue Beetle his own

:: 18:04

superhero [ __ ] right now he's in denial sir even once you've never heard of yeah

:: 18:13

again he's in denial and he's been mad at me for years now but I told him with the infinity door with the Iron Man and

:: 18:20

all that and fighting Thanos I said that's the peak that's the highest it will ever get that's the best it will be it will just it'll go downhill from here

:: 18:25

they're gonna run it right it has and he's they're not gonna stop until it makes zero dollars sure it'll be like I I truly think there's like westerns

:: 18:32

they'll go grocery movies will go away like Western yes every now and then but Sam and and black uh uh

:: 18:48

yes uh and and the guy who played Shazam is like really been out of shape and

:: 18:54

yeah and that sucks he's doing video Rants and this kind of thing well the other ones they're supposed to cross more which is what people like to see in

:: 19:00

the Rock shut all that [ __ ] down yeah he's getting better I thought he was a I thought he's cool dude but he seemed like a douchebag yeah I think he's

:: 19:06

crossing the douchebaggery so that's a sad it does Chris or Chris uh Kevin Hart will put

:: 19:12

him in his place though sure Kevin Hartson Die Hard Die Hard Die Hard

:: 19:17

2. whatever it is I don't know that's funny I'm yet to watch this but I need to all

:: 19:24

right uh that's good we're good good all right we are out and you like this movie

:: 19:30

yeah [Laughter] the art is not the executive anyway

:: 19:37

packing their bowl to me means Shell Games and then I wake up it's another guy and

:: 19:45

I'm like I don't know who I am but that's not me I thought I had my answers but it's all

:: 19:50

a lie don't let Superman take it and I think that's some of the question

:: 19:56

that the movie asks don't start watching it if you are sleepy it's like once you started it's

:: 20:03

like okay I gotta see where this is going genres can be a problem

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sleep now