Today, Susan Shirk, Professor and expert in the US/China relationship and Chinese politics, joins us for a conversation on China’s rise to power, based on her new book, “Overreach: How China Derailed Its Peaceful Rise”. We discuss Susan’s research process and what laid the foundation for the book, the evolution of the control regime in China and how China has been taking things too far, how corruption affects Chinese politics and how Xi Jinping’s attempt to purge the corruption has led to an over compliance and bandwagoning. We also discuss how China’s strict Covid19 policies has led to nationwide protests and major frustration in the population, how China derailed from its peaceful rise, how they may be able to get back on track and much more.



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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 - Intro

03:31 - Introduction to Susan and her work

08:07 - What is the 21st Century China Center?

10:37 - Why did Susan write the book?

16:27 - How did the overreach begin?

24:58 - Purging a corrupt system

31:36 - Examples of derailed politics

37:25 - Dealing with Covid19 protests

45:02 - From peaceful to totalitarian

48:18 - Getting back to a peaceful rise

55:34 - Fear of going to back to China?

01:00:14 - Key takeaways from Niels



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