What Wrestling Teaches About Faith, Discipline, and Manhood

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Welcome back to the Whiskey Wisdom Podcast everybody.

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I am your co-host, Tyler, y'all.

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And today I am with the constant

co-host Chris Kellum, and our

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special guest today is John Mills.

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He is the, I guess you're

like the wrestling specialist

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with FCA, is that right?

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Jon: Yeah.

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That's one way you can put it.

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Sure.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was like that.

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That's the best way that

I can think about it.

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I'm sure there's real words for

that, but what is your actual title?

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Jon: So I am the Southeast

North Carolina Wrestling Rep.

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Tyler: Okay.

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Jon: Here in this area.

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So that would be my, I guess, official,

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Chris: yeah.

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Jon: Title.

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Tyler: Okay.

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Perfect.

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Very good.

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Thanks so much for coming on today.

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Chris: Of course.

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Tyler: as some.

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Listeners may know this is the fourth

episode that we're doing for the day.

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Typically it gets a little silly, but

we have been learning over the last

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four years and we have toned it down.

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We're not drinking today other than water.

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So our drink for today is H2O.

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Chris: What kind of a ratio is it?

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Tap water.

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Is it Harris Teeter?

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It's

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Tyler: filtered water

from the Mulligan Man.

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Chris: Okay.

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Hey,

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Tyler: it's an important question.

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Chris: It does.

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It tastes a little different.

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Tyler: It does taste different.

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So fun fact, this has nothing to do

with the actual podcast episode, but

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when these people came, originally,

they made the water too freaking cold.

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So I had to have 'em come back to

turn the the thermostat down because

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like it was too cold to drink.

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Oh,

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Chris: but they were expecting

you to pour it and then let

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it sit on your table forever,

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Tyler: which is what I had to do.

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But if I wanted to drink it,

I had to wait like an hour

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before I could drink my water.

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It was a pain in the butt.

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So it was the most worst first

world problem I could ever have.

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So hopefully no

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Jon: one less.

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He was thirsty and he

wanted his water now.

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Chris: Yes.

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Tyler: Right.

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And I was being too much of

a baby to drink cold water.

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But like in my defense, for

everyone listening, who's already

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judging me though, cold water.

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Was colder.

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It felt colder in my mouth than

if I put an ice cube in my mouth.

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It was the weirdest thing.

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Chris: Oh, it was?

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Tyler: I don't get it.

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Chris: It legit was

sitting at like 37 degrees.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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Chris: Like the whole glass frosted.

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Tyler: It would frost.

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Yeah, it would frost your glass.

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It was insane.

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Chris: Yeah.

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That's a little cold.

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Jon: That's, yeah.

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That's.

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Little bit too much.

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Just above freezing.

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Tyler: Yes, just, yeah, exactly.

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Chris: You hit it just right.

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It might actually freeze,

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Tyler: right?

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Ugh, it was weird.

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Anyway, it has nothing to do with the

actual podcast, so thanks for dealing

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Chris: with us.

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So tell us a little bit about yourself

and then how you kind of got into this.

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Pretty cool position.

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Tyler: Well, I guess what we should

probably start with too, because

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you asked this question before

and then I told you what it was.

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Oh yeah.

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Let's start with this.

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What's FCA?

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Chris: Oh, sure.

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Jon: Yeah, it's an important question.

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FCA is stands for Fellowship

Christian Athletes.

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Chris: Okay.

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Jon: So we are a non-profit

that has been around since: 1954

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Tyler: wow.

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Jon: That has the idea

of, or the mission, right.

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To take the gospel of Jesus

Christ into our schools.

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And into specifically athletics.

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So we use the avenue of athletics

to, to minister to our students.

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Chris: Okay.

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Very nice.

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And you're in the wrestling side?

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Jon: I am.

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So there's a few of us

who are sports specific.

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Okay.

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I am one of them.

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I focus not just in the schools,

but I'm also involved in the club,

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sports communities, community

club, wrestling, things like that.

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Chris: I didn't, I'm just that stupid.

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I didn't realize wrestling had gotten

that big since I got outta school.

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Tyler: Dude, it is crazy.

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They actually have like girls wrestling

inside of the high schools now.

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Chris: Yeah,

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Tyler: yeah.

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I'm like, there is enough

girls that are wrestling that

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they created their own teams.

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Now,

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Jon: girls wrestling has been

the fastest growing sport in the

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country over the past 10 years.

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Chris: Really?

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No

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Tyler: way.

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Chris: I mean, I could see that.

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'cause I, I remember like hearing about it

and there was like one girl who was like.

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Thinking about it.

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Mm-hmm.

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My senior year and I was

like, that sucks for you.

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But it is interesting 'cause like I

understand if you're female wrestling

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against boys in the same weight class,

like you're putting a lot of work

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Tyler: especially in high school

because at that point there's like

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actual build differences that are

occurring and hormones have kicked in.

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Jon: I might have wrestled

when I was in high school.

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Maybe two, three girls

the entire four years.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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Right.

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Jon: You know, and mo

majority of them were small.

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Tyler: Mm-hmm.

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Jon: Lightweights filled a hole

in the lineup because they didn't

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have anybody that, that weight.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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They just didn't wanna throw

a four foot forfeit up.

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Exactly.

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And they're like, here you go.

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Jon: Exactly.

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But now you've got, some schools

have full teams of girls, not a lot.

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Oh.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laney High School has a full team.

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South Brunswick High

School has a full team.

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Tyler: Oh, wow.

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I didn't

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Jon: those are the only two schools in

the area that have a full team of girls.

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But it's growing.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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Well, it's like Laney has like

a pretty good like team of girls

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that are wrestling right now.

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One of my buddies posted about it and

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Jon: he, like, they usually do.

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We had, well we just finished up our

state, state wrestling tournament

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individuals and they had, three

state champions and the girl side

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and from Laney, two runner ups.

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Chris: Sheesh.

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Jon: Wow.

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Mm-hmm.

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Chris: Dang.

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Jon: A had a good one.

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Chris: Shout 'em out.

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So did you, you wrestled in high school?

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Jon: I did.

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Chris: Okay.

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Where'd you, where'd you go to school?

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Jon: I went to high school

in South Central High School.

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That is, i'm from Greenville.

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Technically South Central is

in Winterville, but, okay.

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Chris: I was gonna

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Jon: say,

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Chris: I'm like

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Jon: what that is so,

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Chris: oh, I know where Winterville.

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Jon: Oh, okay.

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Good.

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Chris: There you go.

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No, when I was in National Guard,

my unit was based in Winterville.

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Jon: Oh, okay.

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Chris: And then I did, you

know, did some time at ECU

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Jon: did some time.

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Chris: But when you said South Central,

I'm like, that's not in Greenville.

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Jon: Yeah.

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Chris: But, okay, that makes

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Jon: sense.

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It's right there.

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But I lived in Greenville, but

technically the, I was the way the

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Chris: line

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Jon: were split.

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Yep.

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Chris: You didn't get

to go to, was it Rose?

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Jon: No.

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Nope.

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My brother went to Rose, but me and

my sister, my brother went to Rose

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before South Central was built.

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Chris: Got you,

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Jon: okay.

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Yeah, I think South Central started in

like oh 5, 0 4, somewhere in that range.

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Chris: that makes sense.

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That was like, 'cause I grew

up in this area, but I lived

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in Pinder County and like.

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Everyone in high school in Pinder

County either went to Topal or Pinder

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Jon: mm-hmm.

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Chris: Until they created Trask and Trask.

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I think I'm probably wrong on the

days, but I think it was the same year.

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It was like oh 4, 0 5.

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And I'm like, this is so silly.

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Like all these people who, you know,

were going to the school all had to

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like shift and go to a new school.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it also saved them.

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'cause like the bus ride to school was.

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So long.

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Tyler: I'm sure that's crazy.

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Jon: I bet.

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'cause yeah, it's about what, 20, 30

minutes from Heidi tries the top soul.

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Chris: Mm-hmm.

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And then if you put it on a bus and

you gotta do all your bus stops.

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Yeah.

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Say it

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Tyler: just a door to door.

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I saw you.

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Chris: Gosh.

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It was ridiculous.

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But now I do.

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I understand the, that weird split.

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You gotta make sure kids'

classes aren't too full.

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Tyler: Yeah,

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Jon: of course.

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Tyler: the other thing that I

just realized too, so when I was

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reading through your bio that

I didn't realize too, is that

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you were a youth pastor before

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Jon: I was.

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Tyler: Okay.

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I was, which is funny enough because

during our episodes today, our first

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guest was also previously a youth pastor.

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Yeah.

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So

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Jon: yeah,

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Tyler: I was, yeah.

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Connections.

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Jon: I was a youth pastor

for eight to 10 years.

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Oh.

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Before I started doing this full-time, I

was a full-time youth pastor for a while.

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So.

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Chris: Down this way or up

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Jon: first outside of Fayetteville.

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Chris: Okay.

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Tyler: Okay.

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Jon: And then we moved to

Wilmington in, oh, in 15.

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Okay.

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2015.

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Me and my wife moved here.

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Chris: Nice.

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Tyler: Oh, nice.

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Chris: And you transitioned.

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So when you, I'm assuming the

wrestling position hasn't always

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been like a position in FCA.

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It was a, something that

grew outta necessity because

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the, we had so many kids.

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Jon: Yeah.

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So.

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What happened was I started work, I

started when I became a youth pastor here.

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Chris: Mm-hmm.

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Jon: I really wanted to get into

the schools, you know, I didn't want

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to be just, I gotta get out, got

a minister outside of the walls.

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So the only way I knew to do that

was FCA is, is one of the few

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organizations that gets into the schools.

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Yeah.

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So I contacted the New Hanover rep,

who at that time in order to volunteer.

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And I began volunteering with FCA.

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They connected me with

the Lainey wrestling team.

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That's the team I've

worked with the longest.

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Mm-hmm.

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Just 'cause I was volunteering over there.

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Chris: Yeah.

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Jon: And I started getting into the

schools and working with, with Lainey

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Wrestling for a very long time.

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I volunteered with FCA for, oh man,

five, six years before I came on staff.

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And during that time I transitioned

out of working full-time in a church.

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And I was actually working

management and retail for a while.

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I did that for a couple years,

but eventually I felt the pool

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back into full-time industry.

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You know, when you're doing

something for a long time.

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And then you transition out

and it just wasn't fulfilling.

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I was like, this is miss,

I'm missing something.

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Right.

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So I began applying different

churches and all the time

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volunteering with FCA and I actually.

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The FCA rep who I was volunteering

for, texted me, said, let's get coffee.

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I said, cool.

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So we got coffee just to hang out, which

was not abnormal, do it all the time.

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Tyler: Mm-hmm.

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Jon: And I just kind of mentioned to him,

I'm looking to get back into full-time.

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So I've started looking at churches and

things like that, and he said, well, have

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you ever considered working with FCA?

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I said, no, I haven't.

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He said, well, let me

connect you with the boss.

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So I connect, I met with the area

director and he's a wrestling guy.

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Mm.

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So we just kind of hit it off.

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And originally was not going

to be wrestling specific.

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I was originally gonna

work in Pender County.

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That was the original meeting.

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But when we walked away, he called me,

the director called me and said, Hey,

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you know, we'd love FCA wrestling.

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We like to have a rep here, you know,

wants, wants to expand and get more reps.

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How would you feel about doing that?

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I said, I would love that.

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Yeah.

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You know, I, you have this passion for

a sport that you absolutely love to do.

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And then you have the passion for

ministry to, you know, for Jesus,

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and you can combine those two.

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Why would I not do that?

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Tyler: Yeah,

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Jon: yeah.

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Tyler: With the first conversation

when we, when you were gonna

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work up in Pender, like what was

that position gonna look like?

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What were you gonna do if it was

outside of like a sport specific,

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Jon: I would be.

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Over every school.

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So I would have my hand in every school.

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And so what I would do, and what's what

you see is the most common, that's the

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most common rep form of rep in the NFCA is

you're over a set of schools and you would

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go in, you'd establish clubs, and then you

would connect with the different coaches

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at different sports connect volunteers

to those coaches and those sports, those

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teams basically do what I do without.

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But on a GR and with more sports involved.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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Jon: And not the, the community

like club aspect of it.

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Oh, I see.

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Right.

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So working in the schools and working with

different athletes at different teams.

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Tyler: Nice.

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Mm-hmm.

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Chris: So

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forget, forgive me if I'm stupid.

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In your position, you are

helping share the ministry or.

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And you're also helping find

life volunteers to help bring

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in and be good witnesses.

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Is that what you're doing?

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay.

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Jon: Oh, yeah.

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We, there's only so many days in

the week, there's only one of me.

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Yeah.

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So, and there's more schools

than days in the week, right.

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So, yeah.

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I've gotta, I can't be everywhere at once.

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And so one of the biggest thing, one of

the biggest things we look for is people

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who share the passion for just being that

example and, and ministering to others.

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And that I can connect, I can connect

with schools so that I can make sure my

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time is, is being spread to places and

I, everyone is getting the ministry,

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everyone is being ministered to.

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And so volunteers is a very important

part of not just what I do with FCA,

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but what, what FCA does, period.

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Mm-hmm.

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Tyler: When we had our first guest

on today who was a youth pastor, he

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then transitioned out of that 'cause

he said, working with, kids is very

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tough and very different aspects.

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What pulled you into working specifically

with those, like primarily high school

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kids, and what do you enjoy about it

and what are some of the struggles

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and difficulties of working with them?

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That's kind of like a

three part question, but

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Jon: No, that's, that's a good question.

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So I've just always been able

to, I've always felt like I've

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been gifted to connect with, with

different people, especially.

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Different people with

different backgrounds.

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Tyler: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Jon: based on my own background

I grew up a very diverse, very

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diverse place, very diverse school

neighborhood, and so just being able to.

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Connect.

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That experience allows me to

connect with a bunch of people.

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So I've just always had the, from a

young age, I had the passion to, I felt

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a call into ministry and I always thought

that was youth ministry in schools.

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I just felt a calling to, to be

a youth pastor in, in, in that

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area, I mean in, at the church.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so FCA, what allows me to do

is work with those with kids, but.

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Work with kids outside of the church.

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These are, some of these, sometimes

I, I'm kinda kids who, you know,

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they wouldn't, they don't want,

they don't wanna go to church, they

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don't wanna set foot in church.

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And it, I get an opportunity to have

a relationship with them to just show

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them I care about them as a person.

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Mm-hmm.

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To help them grow, even if they don't

ever, you know, give their life to Christ.

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I can at least help them grow as, as a

young man and a young woman, which is so

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important to help them see who they are,

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Chris: especially.

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In this day and age,

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Jon: a hundred percent.

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Chris: So many people don't have mentors.

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Jon: Yeah, so true.

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It's especially when you, when you look

at the different schools, different,

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every school has their problems.

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Mm-hmm.

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There different cultures and things

like that, but today it just, it feels

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like our students are in a crisis.

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There's a crisis of identity

with a lot of our students with,

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with a lot of kids these days.

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They're dealing with things that I never

dealt with when I was in high school.

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I'm sure the same thing for, for y all.

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And they're questioning who they

are, what they are, what their

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purpose is, you know what, what their

value is, and I want them to see.

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that I want them to get that answer.

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And, you know, obviously, FCA and I, I

agree and I feel that the answer to that

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question is, is who you are in Christ.

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I, I strongly believe that that

is the, that is the, the true

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answer and the objective answer.

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: 00:14:53

Anything else is subjective at that point.

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But I want them to, to know what

their originally, what their purpose

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is, that they have value, that they

ha they were created for a purpose,

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: 00:15:04

Tyler: right?

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Jon: And that there are

people that love them.

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There is a God that loves them.

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Because growing up and not knowing

any of that can be devastating and can

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lead kids down a path where they're

searching for it in all the wrong places.

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: 00:15:18

Chris: Yep.

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: 00:15:19

Tyler: Right.

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: 00:15:19

Chris: They'll be making bad decisions.

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: 00:15:21

They might need a defense attorney.

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Tyler: We had a defense attorney

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Chris: on prior.

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So, I think in general, having somebody

like yourself in the community is amazing.

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I wish that that we had more people

who were one able to volunteer

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their time because we do need

more mentors and more people who

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are willing to be a good example.

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'cause let's be real, most of the stuff

we see is either on TikTok or on tv.

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And those are examples of like

the top 1% of people who succeeded

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: 00:15:56

in one, one sector or the bottom

1% where people really messed up.

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: 00:16:01

And there's a lot in between.

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: 00:16:03

Tyler: Mm-hmm.

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: 00:16:04

Chris: Like I never would've thought,

like, your position is not one that

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: 00:16:07

I would've like, 'cause I didn't

have an FCA rep that I talked to.

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: 00:16:11

Like, I wouldn't have thought that that's

something I could do in the community is

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: 00:16:15

like, oh, you can help volunteer time,

you can help showcase and help people.

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: 00:16:20

Same with Tyler job.

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: 00:16:21

I never would've thought that

was a job until meeting him.

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'cause it's just not the,

the position I was in life.

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: 00:16:28

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:16:29

So you should volunteer some more.

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: 00:16:32

Tyler: We've talked about, I

met with John quite a few times.

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: 00:16:35

Times we talked about that.

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: 00:16:35

Yes.

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: 00:16:35

Yeah, we have if it wasn't for

me having kids, I probably would

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: 00:16:38

be able to volunteer a little bit

more, but that, that's part of it.

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: 00:16:41

And then by the time I get

outta here, resting practice

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: 00:16:44

is about over, unfortunately.

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: 00:16:47

Yeah, that's true.

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: 00:16:48

A lot of my clients have day

jobs too, so I have to meet

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: 00:16:50

with them after, after work.

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: 00:16:52

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:16:54

Jon: Yeah.

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: 00:16:54

Unfortunately, you know, volunteering

is one of those things we.

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: 00:16:57

We want as many volunteers as we

can, but not everyone's in a place in

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their life that they can, you know?

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: 00:17:01

Yeah.

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: 00:17:01

And so we are all, we all have our ways

of being able to contribute, right?

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: 00:17:07

Yeah.

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: 00:17:07

And some are, some can go right,

some can go, some can give.

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: 00:17:12

Tyler: Mm-hmm.

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: 00:17:12

Jon: And make it possible

for others to go.

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: 00:17:14

And then one thing we

always, we can always pray.

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: 00:17:18

You know, we're always looking for

people to, to pray for us and, and

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: 00:17:20

just connect us, get us connections.

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: 00:17:23

You know, it's, it's.

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: 00:17:24

There's always ways for

people to get involved.

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: 00:17:27

Yeah.

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: 00:17:28

Tyler: Yeah.

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: 00:17:29

Do you find it that's easier

to connect with kids coming

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from outside of the school?

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: 00:17:33

Or is that more of a barrier have

in, in your kind of experience?

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: 00:17:39

Jon: That's a good question.

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: 00:17:41

I feel like I've had the,

it's been a open door.

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: 00:17:43

It's been a little bit, it's given

me a little more of an open door.

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: 00:17:45

Chris: Yeah.

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: 00:17:46

Jon: Because.

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: 00:17:47

Anyone in school coming through.

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: 00:17:49

I think they, they kinda see authority,

you know, this is someone who, who

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: 00:17:53

can get me in trouble, you know?

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: 00:17:55

That's true.

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: 00:17:56

Whether they think that or not.

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: 00:17:57

I, I think that that's kind of a way

that kind of carries, but me being able

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: 00:18:01

to come in from outside, I'm a new face.

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: 00:18:04

I'm someone they, they

don't see in the classroom.

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: 00:18:07

I, I'm someone they see on the

wrestling mat and I'm someone who

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: 00:18:11

can help them with their wrestling.

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: 00:18:12

You know, it's, I like

to get in there and help.

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: 00:18:15

As much as I can.

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: 00:18:15

Tyler: Yeah.

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: 00:18:17

Jon: So I feel like they've, it's, it's

allowed kids to open up, let their guards

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: 00:18:20

down, open up to me a little bit more

to see that, hey, this guy's coming.

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: 00:18:24

Not because he's paid to be

here, but because, well, I mean

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: 00:18:27

through FCA, but because I can't,

you know, because I want to,

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: 00:18:30

Tyler: yeah.

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: 00:18:30

Jon: I did this while, like I said,

I volunteered doing this for years.

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: 00:18:33

Right.

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: 00:18:33

Because I, 'cause I wanted to, it was fun.

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: 00:18:34

I loved it.

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: 00:18:35

So

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: 00:18:37

Tyler: what are some ways that

you've been able to connect

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: 00:18:39

with the kids that might be.

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: 00:18:42

Like outta the ordinary with the

average person would think that.

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: 00:18:44

'cause obviously like probably

going in, like I have a huddle,

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: 00:18:47

like talk about Jesus a little bit

type of thing is probably what like

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: 00:18:49

the average person thinks of it.

524

: 00:18:51

What what else do you do outside of that

that most people may not know that you do

525

: 00:18:55

or ways that you've been able to connect

to kids that could help someone who wants

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: 00:18:58

to be able to connect to kids better?

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: 00:19:00

Jon: Sure.

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: 00:19:00

Yeah.

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: 00:19:00

So I mentioned I also coach I

also coach a lot of these places.

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: 00:19:04

One, that's one thing that gives

me advantage that I feel like is.

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: 00:19:07

The fact that being able to focus on

a sport that I've done in the past,

532

: 00:19:11

I have some knowledge I can share.

533

: 00:19:13

Tyler: Right.

534

: 00:19:13

Jon: so that right there, when I

was, I don't do it as much, but

535

: 00:19:17

when I first started, I was much

younger and I, I wrestled with them.

536

: 00:19:23

I would go to practice, I would

wrestle with them as my body

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: 00:19:27

that can't handle it as much.

538

: 00:19:29

Every now and then Sure.

539

: 00:19:30

But not nearly as much.

540

: 00:19:32

But being able to, to do that

and share a passion, when you

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: 00:19:36

share a passion with somebody,

542

: 00:19:37

Tyler: right.

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: 00:19:38

Jon: That alone just is

an automatic connection.

544

: 00:19:41

Yeah.

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: 00:19:41

Especially with the

sport of wrestling, it's

546

: 00:19:44

Tyler: mm-hmm.

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: 00:19:44

Jon: When you meet someone who has done

it before, it's an automatic connection

548

: 00:19:48

because not a lot of people do it.

549

: 00:19:51

And so they see you as somebody who

has gone in, been in the trenches, the

550

: 00:19:56

same ones they've been in, you've gone

through the same, some of the same

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: 00:19:59

workouts, the same training, the same.

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: 00:20:01

Blood, sweat and tears mm-hmm.

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: 00:20:03

On the wrestling mat.

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: 00:20:04

And so it's allowed me to make

those connections with those people.

555

: 00:20:07

So that's, that's mostly where I am able

to connect, is just I, sometimes I don't

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: 00:20:11

even go in there and I might meet people.

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: 00:20:14

They don't even come to the huddles.

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: 00:20:15

I'm just because I'm, because I'm there

at practice, because I, and they're

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: 00:20:20

engaging them just in wrestling.

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: 00:20:24

It allows me to build that relationship.

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: 00:20:26

Right.

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: 00:20:27

You ain't gotta go in and have a

bunch of knowledge about the Bible

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: 00:20:30

or anything like that to be able to

just build relationships and show

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: 00:20:33

someone that you care about them.

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: 00:20:34

Just take interest in what they do.

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: 00:20:36

Just show them, Hey, I'm here for you.

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: 00:20:39

That's it.

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: 00:20:40

Tyler: Yeah.

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: 00:20:40

Jon: Right.

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: 00:20:41

If I'm not here to get

something out of it.

571

: 00:20:43

Right.

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: 00:20:43

That's, that's not what I go for.

573

: 00:20:46

So it is just about showing

them that there's, that you love

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: 00:20:50

'em and you care about them.

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: 00:20:51

Tyler: Right.

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: 00:20:51

Yeah.

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: 00:20:53

I think that's something important

too, and I think some Christians

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: 00:20:55

miss that is where they go in and

it's just, some people call 'em

579

: 00:21:00

like the Bible beaters, right?

580

: 00:21:01

It is like, I'm gonna hit you

in the head with the like Bible

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: 00:21:03

until you become a Christian.

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: 00:21:05

But it's really not the

way you accomplish that.

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: 00:21:08

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:21:08

It's going in and just saying like,

Hey, this is who I am and I care about

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: 00:21:12

you, is how you're going to get more

people to be even interested in it.

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: 00:21:16

So I, I think what FCA is doing

is the perfect way to do that.

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: 00:21:20

Jon: Exactly.

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: 00:21:22

Showing them that, Hey,

I'm, I'm a human right.

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: 00:21:26

I'm not, I'm not perfect.

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: 00:21:27

Listen, they've seen me, I've

been to wrestling matches.

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: 00:21:29

I've sat in the corner as a coach.

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: 00:21:32

They've seen me get

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: 00:21:33

Chris: frustrated

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: 00:21:34

Jon: coaches, misconducts.

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: 00:21:35

I've gotten these things

like, 'cause I'm not perfect.

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: 00:21:38

And I, I'm one of the

first ones to admit them.

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: 00:21:40

They've seen me get angry,

they see me get upset.

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: 00:21:43

I'm just real, like, just

be yourself with people.

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: 00:21:46

Chris: Yeah.

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: 00:21:47

Jon: And then they'll see who you are.

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: 00:21:48

They'll see your heart.

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: 00:21:49

Tyler: Yeah.

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: 00:21:50

Jon: That's.

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: 00:21:52

That's the number one thing.

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: 00:21:53

That's what Jesus did.

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: 00:21:54

Exactly.

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: 00:21:54

Yeah.

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: 00:21:54

You're just real with people.

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: 00:21:56

He didn't come in there and just

start preaching to 'em automatically.

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: 00:21:58

No.

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: 00:21:59

Let them see who you are so

them that you'll love them.

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: 00:22:02

Right.

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: 00:22:02

That that saying goes, no one

cares how much you know till

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: 00:22:05

they know how much you care.

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: 00:22:06

Right.

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: 00:22:06

Yes.

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: 00:22:06

Kind of a saying that, but it's true.

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: 00:22:09

Chris: I like that.

619

: 00:22:10

So it keep seeing this book that

you got, can I ask what it is?

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: 00:22:14

Jon: Sure.

621

: 00:22:15

So every.

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: 00:22:17

Every year we put out, it's a

magazine that we put out for our area.

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: 00:22:20

So this is just southeast North Carolina.

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: 00:22:22

Oh, ooh.

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: 00:22:23

That kind of showcases

what we do as a staff here.

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: 00:22:28

Some of the highlights that we've been

able to accomplish there's little shout

627

: 00:22:32

outs to each individual, what we've been,

what we do in Bladen and Columbus County.

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: 00:22:36

So our area runs Bladen Columbus.

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: 00:22:38

Pender, new Hanover and Brunswick.

630

: 00:22:40

Those are all, that's our kind of area.

631

: 00:22:42

Tyler: Okay.

632

: 00:22:42

Jon: That we, it's lot

of terrain that we're in.

633

: 00:22:44

Tyler: Yeah.

634

: 00:22:45

Jon: And so it's, it's this book

that just highlights what we do.

635

: 00:22:49

We have a, we have our own lacrosse

team, FCA, lacrosse is a travel

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: 00:22:52

lacrosse team that we have in the area.

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: 00:22:53

Tyler: Oh wow.

638

: 00:22:54

Nice.

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: 00:22:54

Jon: that has all, everyone, staff

all the camps that we're involved in.

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: 00:22:59

Summertime is camp time for us.

641

: 00:23:01

That's for sure.

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: 00:23:02

That's for sure what we do.

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: 00:23:03

That's kind of where I'm

focusing my attention now.

644

: 00:23:05

Our, our wrestling camp we've got coming

up in June, but it's just, it's this

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: 00:23:11

opportunity to, to see what we do.

646

: 00:23:14

Chris: And you guys, do you do just

high schools and middle schools, or

647

: 00:23:20

you're up in the college level too?

648

: 00:23:22

Jon: We do.

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: 00:23:23

We have a couple on UNCW campus,

we have a couple reps for UNCW.

650

: 00:23:27

Sonia Monro and Matt Triple, they're

awesome people on UNCW campus.

651

: 00:23:31

They do an amazing job working

with basketball teams, baseball

652

: 00:23:35

team, you know, everybody.

653

: 00:23:36

They do awesome job.

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: 00:23:37

They work with the coaches specifically.

655

: 00:23:40

So they're on campus, they're

on the college college base.

656

: 00:23:43

And then a majority of us are

primarily middle and and high school.

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: 00:23:48

Chris: Mm-hmm.

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: 00:23:48

Jon: I get the privilege because

I'm in, I'm in also in clubs.

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: 00:23:51

Chris: Yeah.

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: 00:23:52

Jon: That I also do a lot with

middle school, with elementary kids.

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: 00:23:56

Oh, wow.

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: 00:23:56

'cause I, a lot of the clubs here do

elementary and so actually one of the

663

: 00:24:01

huddles I leave, I lead Monday nights

up in Hampstead at a club up there

664

: 00:24:07

that my son goes to, he wrestles at.

665

: 00:24:09

Okay.

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: 00:24:10

A lot of those kids are elementary,

younger, middle school age, so it's an

667

: 00:24:15

also an opportunity to see all of them.

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: 00:24:16

Tyler: Oh, wow.

669

: 00:24:17

Jon: Mm-hmm.

670

: 00:24:18

Chris: Oh, this is so cool.

671

: 00:24:21

These are definitely, like, when I

think of FCAI, like when I was in

672

: 00:24:26

school, my thought process was just

group of Christian athletes just

673

: 00:24:30

meeting up like once a week, just

catching up and kind of having a,

674

: 00:24:36

just a lesson or a meeting together.

675

: 00:24:38

But this is a lot more I feel like

you guys are in it a little bit more

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: 00:24:43

kind of helping spread the word.

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: 00:24:46

Jon: Oh yeah.

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: 00:24:46

We've, we're, we.

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: 00:24:48

We're involved, we try to get in.

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: 00:24:50

And the, the thing about working

for FCA is you're limited

681

: 00:24:55

based on your own imagination.

682

: 00:24:56

Right.

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: 00:24:56

Based on what you can,

what you are willing to do.

684

: 00:25:00

Tyler: Mm-hmm.

685

: 00:25:00

Jon: we can, however we, we get ideas.

686

: 00:25:03

Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

687

: 00:25:05

But we get ideas, we try 'em out.

688

: 00:25:06

Right, right.

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: 00:25:07

And it's about getting the kids involved.

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: 00:25:09

Getting the kids.

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: 00:25:10

'Cause we try to be some of the.

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: 00:25:13

Ways we do it, we call it E three.

693

: 00:25:15

It's, so, it's our discipleship process

that FCA uses engage, equip, empower.

694

: 00:25:21

We believe in engaging our

students and our coaches with

695

: 00:25:24

the gospel and in relationship.

696

: 00:25:27

Chris: Yep.

697

: 00:25:27

Jon: Right there on

that page, right there.

698

: 00:25:29

Equipping them to, to minister and

to go out and then empowering them

699

: 00:25:34

to take that and go out and minister.

700

: 00:25:36

So it's, if we, we wanna

move them along that process.

701

: 00:25:40

In order to, so that they can

then lead their own classmates and

702

: 00:25:44

their own teammates in ministry.

703

: 00:25:48

Tyler: Nice.

704

: 00:25:48

Nice.

705

: 00:25:50

So with what you've accomplished now,

what, what are you kind of looking

706

: 00:25:53

forward to that you're trying to

accomplish, kind of moving forward?

707

: 00:25:56

'cause it sounds like you're in

a lot of clubs, a lot of schools.

708

: 00:25:59

So what, what's the next thing

that you're trying to tackle?

709

: 00:26:02

Jon: So now with my focus, what I

wanna see, I wanna see the sport

710

: 00:26:06

of wrestling grow in our area.

711

: 00:26:08

Okay.

712

: 00:26:08

I wanna see our clubs grow.

713

: 00:26:10

'cause if the clubs grow, that also

reach, makes the reach that I get.

714

: 00:26:13

Yeah.

715

: 00:26:13

I get blessed to have grow.

716

: 00:26:15

So this summer I'm working on

putting together a day camp for

717

: 00:26:22

young, middle elementary school kids

that have never wrestled before.

718

: 00:26:26

I want to reach kids.

719

: 00:26:28

I wanna get kids there who

have never wrestled before,

720

: 00:26:30

just over those three days.

721

: 00:26:31

Teach 'em absolute basics

and play games with 'em.

722

: 00:26:35

Tyler: Yeah.

723

: 00:26:35

Jon: We'll minister to 'em and

feed 'em and feed 'em lunch.

724

: 00:26:38

Yeah.

725

: 00:26:38

But I wanted to introduce 'em to sport.

726

: 00:26:41

I got the club coaches all in the

area and they're, they, they want

727

: 00:26:44

to get, they're gonna get involved.

728

: 00:26:45

So hopefully they'll be there and

I can introduce 'em there so that

729

: 00:26:48

hopefully by the end of those

three days, there'll be some kids

730

: 00:26:50

that say, I wanna keep doing this.

731

: 00:26:52

Yeah.

732

: 00:26:52

And.

733

: 00:26:53

These are the, this, I can go to

this club, I can go to that club.

734

: 00:26:57

I already know the coaches there.

735

: 00:26:59

So hopefully we'll see those

clubs start to grow through this.

736

: 00:27:01

We can get a good, good showing

with this and see what happens.

737

: 00:27:05

That's my next, that's our,

the most project in the near

738

: 00:27:09

future that we're working on.

739

: 00:27:10

Yeah.

740

: 00:27:11

That's the new project.

741

: 00:27:12

You know, we've got our, our wrestling

camp for high school, middle school age

742

: 00:27:15

that we do more experienced wrestlers.

743

: 00:27:18

We've got.

744

: 00:27:19

I do, I put together an FCA wrestling team

and compete in tournaments with some kid,

745

: 00:27:24

with some kids through from the area Yeah.

746

: 00:27:26

That we travel with.

747

: 00:27:27

So, but the new project is the day camp,

which I'm very excited about, and I'm

748

: 00:27:31

looking forward to putting that together.

749

: 00:27:33

Tyler: Nice.

750

: 00:27:34

Yeah.

751

: 00:27:34

Chris: You'll have to let us

know when you're hosting that.

752

: 00:27:37

I'm assuming it's gonna

be like June, July.

753

: 00:27:39

Jon: July, yeah.

754

: 00:27:40

Okay.

755

: 00:27:40

We're looking at the July timeframe.

756

: 00:27:42

Yeah.

757

: 00:27:42

I'm locking down a venue.

758

: 00:27:45

Location of the next week or two.

759

: 00:27:47

And then once I locked in,

I'm gonna start pushing it.

760

: 00:27:51

Mm-hmm.

761

: 00:27:52

Nice.

762

: 00:27:53

Tyler: Clifford Barnett's on the board.

763

: 00:27:55

Jon: Oh yeah.

764

: 00:27:56

Yes sir.

765

: 00:27:56

Mm-hmm.

766

: 00:27:57

Tyler: He's involved in everything.

767

: 00:27:58

What doesn't that guy do?

768

: 00:28:00

Jon: He's involved in everything for sure.

769

: 00:28:02

No, he's awesome.

770

: 00:28:03

He's a great guy.

771

: 00:28:03

Tyler: Yeah.

772

: 00:28:04

Chris: Why do I know that name?

773

: 00:28:05

Tyler: he's one of the, city?

774

: 00:28:07

City Council.

775

: 00:28:08

Yeah.

776

: 00:28:08

City council.

777

: 00:28:08

Yeah.

778

: 00:28:08

Chris: Okay.

779

: 00:28:09

Okay.

780

: 00:28:09

Tyler: I was gonna say commission,

but that's what's going on now.

781

: 00:28:10

City councils before.

782

: 00:28:11

Yeah.

783

: 00:28:12

Chris: Okay.

784

: 00:28:13

Yeah.

785

: 00:28:13

Sorry.

786

: 00:28:13

We're, I know voting is coming up

in the next couple days, so my brain

787

: 00:28:17

was like, do I know this from a norm?

788

: 00:28:20

Do I a normal reason or is

it for a political reason or

789

: 00:28:23

Jon: is that a sign I saw on the

790

: 00:28:24

Chris: side of the road?

791

: 00:28:25

Tyler: Right, exactly.

792

: 00:28:26

Chris: That's what gets me sometimes.

793

: 00:28:28

So since wrestling season's over mm-hmm.

794

: 00:28:32

Now what are you focusing on?

795

: 00:28:33

Are like you.

796

: 00:28:34

Are clubs still going on?

797

: 00:28:36

Clubs, like outside of

798

: 00:28:36

Jon: club

799

: 00:28:37

Chris: still?

800

: 00:28:37

I don't know how

801

: 00:28:37

Jon: that wrestling's year round.

802

: 00:28:38

Okay.

803

: 00:28:39

I always say wrestling is year round.

804

: 00:28:40

We were getting ready to move into

freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling.

805

: 00:28:44

Chris: Okay.

806

: 00:28:45

Jon: Which do, so a little,

little wrestling education.

807

: 00:28:48

If you don't know a sport we do.

808

: 00:28:49

Folk style wrestling is high school,

middle school, college, wrestling.

809

: 00:28:53

Mm-hmm.

810

: 00:28:54

And that's only in the

states, United States.

811

: 00:28:56

That's a United States style wrestling.

812

: 00:28:58

In the off season, we move into what is

called freestyle or Greco Roman style.

813

: 00:29:02

You'll see those two styles in Olympics.

814

: 00:29:04

That's the type of inter,

that's international wrestling.

815

: 00:29:06

Yeah.

816

: 00:29:06

Okay.

817

: 00:29:07

And so that is done during the off

season of, outside of high school season.

818

: 00:29:11

And that's where we're getting,

everyone's getting ready to shift into.

819

: 00:29:14

Gotcha.

820

: 00:29:14

So the clubs are still

going, clubs are year round.

821

: 00:29:17

So I'm in the three clubs, so I'll

be going to at least three practices.

822

: 00:29:22

If any of our high schools are

gonna do off season workouts,

823

: 00:29:24

I'll be trying to get to them.

824

: 00:29:26

And then focus on all of our, our

camps, all our summer activities,

825

: 00:29:31

like the day camp I was showing.

826

: 00:29:32

Chris: Mm-hmm.

827

: 00:29:33

Jon: And off season I do a, we

do a wrestler's bible study.

828

: 00:29:38

Chris: Nice.

829

: 00:29:38

Okay.

830

: 00:29:38

Jon: Actually right over here

at the Starbucks over here.

831

: 00:29:40

Oh, okay.

832

: 00:29:41

We meet once a week.

833

: 00:29:43

Go chapter by chapter through a book in

the Bible and just kind of, I try to teach

834

: 00:29:48

'em how to, how to properly interpret and

read scripture and what they can learn.

835

: 00:29:52

So it's just kinda something

that we started last off season.

836

: 00:29:55

Tyler: Mm-hmm.

837

: 00:29:55

Jon: And I wanna, it's something

I plan on doing every off season.

838

: 00:29:59

Yeah.

839

: 00:29:59

Tyler: Yeah.

840

: 00:30:00

Mm-hmm.

841

: 00:30:01

Just a fun fact.

842

: 00:30:01

I was terrible at Greco Roman wrestling.

843

: 00:30:04

Oh, it's not My forte

844

: 00:30:05

Jon: never did it.

845

: 00:30:05

Never did.

846

: 00:30:06

Back to Roman.

847

: 00:30:07

Tyler: I did it for like a year and a half

and I was like during the off seasons and

848

: 00:30:11

stuff and I was like, I can't do this.

849

: 00:30:13

And my coaches it.

850

: 00:30:14

It made my coaches so frustrated.

851

: 00:30:16

They're like, you are all upper body.

852

: 00:30:17

Why can't you like figure this out?

853

: 00:30:19

This made, I'm like, I don't

know why I can't do it.

854

: 00:30:21

I just can't leave me alone.

855

: 00:30:23

Chris: I have no idea the

difference between any of them.

856

: 00:30:26

I didn't know that there high

school kids competed differently.

857

: 00:30:32

Tyler: Mm-hmm.

858

: 00:30:32

Chris: I was like.

859

: 00:30:33

I just thought it was called wrestling.

860

: 00:30:36

Tyler: Yeah.

861

: 00:30:36

G Gregor Roman's, all upper body.

862

: 00:30:37

It's a lot of light throws and tosses.

863

: 00:30:39

All throws and stuff.

864

: 00:30:40

Jon: Yeah.

865

: 00:30:40

No leg.

866

: 00:30:40

You can't go after the legs.

867

: 00:30:42

No.

868

: 00:30:42

Chris: Oh, at all.

869

: 00:30:43

Jon: Yeah.

870

: 00:30:44

Tyler: It would be almost, this

is a bad way to do it, but it's,

871

: 00:30:47

it's kind of like judo ish.

872

: 00:30:49

Jon: Yep.

873

: 00:30:49

Tyler: Yeah.

874

: 00:30:49

Jon: Yeah.

875

: 00:30:50

Okay.

876

: 00:30:50

They use a lot of judo throws.

877

: 00:30:51

Chris: Right.

878

: 00:30:52

Jon: And gre roman.

879

: 00:30:52

Chris: Oh, like grab and toss?

880

: 00:30:54

Tyler: Yeah.

881

: 00:30:54

Hip toss and stuff like

882

: 00:30:55

Jon: that.

883

: 00:30:55

Oh yeah.

884

: 00:30:56

Mm-hmm.

885

: 00:30:58

Tyler: So

886

: 00:30:58

Chris: how do

887

: 00:30:58

Tyler: you get, interesting.

888

: 00:30:59

Chris: How do you get points then?

889

: 00:31:01

Tyler: How high you throw people.

890

: 00:31:02

Jon: Yeah.

891

: 00:31:02

Throw 'em to the back.

892

: 00:31:03

Feet.

893

: 00:31:04

Feet go overhead.

894

: 00:31:05

Yeah.

895

: 00:31:05

It's more points, feet if

you take 'em feet to back.

896

: 00:31:09

So from the standing position, straight

to their back, it's points, you

897

: 00:31:12

know, freestyle, it's the same thing.

898

: 00:31:13

Freestyle freestyle is that this is,

that's where you get the suplexes.

899

: 00:31:17

Right?

900

: 00:31:17

Tyler: Right.

901

: 00:31:18

Jon: You can't suplex in folk style.

902

: 00:31:19

High school wrestling.

903

: 00:31:20

No.

904

: 00:31:20

College wrestling can't do that.

905

: 00:31:22

But you watch some Olympic style

wrestling, you'll get Yeah.

906

: 00:31:25

You

907

: 00:31:25

Tyler: feet thrown in the air.

908

: 00:31:26

Jon: People landing on their heads.

909

: 00:31:27

Tyler: Mm-hmm.

910

: 00:31:29

Freestyle was always fun because it

was almost like a, I don't know which

911

: 00:31:33

animal does this, if it's alligator or

crocodile, but basically you just like

912

: 00:31:36

spit 'em and you get points mm-hmm.

913

: 00:31:37

For like just showing your

shoulders to the to the mat.

914

: 00:31:41

Chris: Oh,

915

: 00:31:41

Tyler: yeah.

916

: 00:31:42

So like, instead of like holding

'em for like the count, like just

917

: 00:31:45

showing their shoulders to the mat,

you get points and stuff like that.

918

: 00:31:48

So it's real fast paced.

919

: 00:31:50

Mm-hmm.

920

: 00:31:50

When I did, there's like.

921

: 00:31:52

It felt like there was less rules

because like if you were in motion

922

: 00:31:55

and you go outta the circle, like

you're still good until you stop.

923

: 00:31:58

So, yeah, my one coach was

like, you see the bleachers?

924

: 00:32:02

That's where the end of the circle is.

925

: 00:32:06

I was like, awesome.

926

: 00:32:06

Great.

927

: 00:32:08

Chris: Don't tell me that.

928

: 00:32:10

I'll just get him to chase

me and then I turn around.

929

: 00:32:12

Tyler: Right.

930

: 00:32:13

Chris: so within like this FCA and your

current position my big question really

931

: 00:32:21

is like, what would you deem successful?

932

: 00:32:26

Jon: See that's, that's a great question

because when you look at, it's hard

933

: 00:32:30

to define success in something that

is not completely in your hands.

934

: 00:32:37

The results are not in your hands.

935

: 00:32:39

Right?

936

: 00:32:39

Yeah.

937

: 00:32:39

But that being said, I also understand

that those who invest in our ministry

938

: 00:32:43

and involved in our ministry, in any

ministry, whether it be church or us.

939

: 00:32:48

Hm.

940

: 00:32:49

There needs to be some kind of measurable.

941

: 00:32:50

Chris: Yeah.

942

: 00:32:51

Jon: Right.

943

: 00:32:51

So people see their, their ROI right?

944

: 00:32:54

Their return on investment.

945

: 00:32:57

And so I, when I look at

success, especially in what

946

: 00:33:00

I do, I look at it twofold.

947

: 00:33:03

One is obedience, my being

obedient to the calling on my life.

948

: 00:33:06

Chris: Okay.

949

: 00:33:06

Jon: that is, that is

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