Mario and Sonic! An age-old rivalry that now includes the big screen! Hot off the Mario movie's smash success at the box office and with Sonic 3 finally announced, Film Center takes a look at which film franchise will come out on top. Mario has had trouble in the past, but is this finally the movie that will bring him to stardom? Listen in as we discuss in Film Center.

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My name is Nicholas Killian.

And I'm Derrick Johnson ii.

Awesome, awesome.

So what are we gonna talk about today, Derrick?

Today we're talking about the the Mario movie.

Man.

It has been crushing at the box office rushing.

It is we are currently recording this on the 28th of April.

And it's been out for a little bit now and right now.

At Box Office, it's sitting at 912 million according to the numbers.com.

This is just movie's breaking records.

It's huge right now and it only came out on April the fifth.

It's so wild.

It's actually ranked number one by the numbers on top,

based on game Weekend domestic.

So that means video games.

Movies based on a video game mm-hmm.

For domestic and ranks number one.

When it came on the fifth, it's opening box office was $146,361,865.

God dang, bruh Woo.

That's a lot of money for one weekend.

It's a lot of money and part of its popularity, is there's nothing

else really to watch for children.

Right now it doesn't have a lot of competition.

Not a lot, a whole lot of competition.

But today we're talking about ma an age old rivalry.

Yeah.

Not only are we gonna bring up Mar talking about Mario, we're also

talking about Sonic the Hedgehog.

Yeah.

Sonic the Hedgehog is announcing that is gonna be a Sonic Three.

And I gotta be honest, we have a bit of a, a controversial Opinion here.

I think Sonic is gonna outlast Mario.

I know.

Yeah, I know.

I know that a lot of people are gonna say, oh, how is that possible?

Well, all I gotta say is the main reason why is because it needs

way more support to reach the same audience level as Sonic the Hedgehog.

Okay.

Here's my thing.

The rivalry started way back in the day.

The Marvel eighties.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not Marvel.

I met Mario.

Mario came out at 85, right?

Right.

Signed the Hedgehog 91.

Right.

Some of the hedgehog was, no one thought that someone could get rid of Mario.

Right.

There was no Right.

Mario had no conversation.

Then when Sonic came out and blew it out, the water, let's not pretend

like this movie doesn't exist because there's a Sonic, Sonic two.

Right, right.

After Sonic was popular and they was announced that there was gonna be

assigned to, of course, that's when Mario was like, okay, we're gonna make

an animated movie with Illumination.

They have it Now, this is not the first Mario movie.

Yeah.

There, there was a 1993 live action movie that they had.

It cost them about 50 million.

Yeah.

And, and how much did it make it worldwide, worldwide.

40 million.

Wow.

They lost 10 million in the times of, in the time of DVDs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In the time of DVDs, back when you could make your money in DVDs.

Right.

So it's a huge f It was a huge flop back then.

It was a huge flat back then because there was no respect for the source material.

Everything was kind of just, it wasn't Mario.

Right, right.

But this new movie is more.

Mario, like they're plumbers.

The main storyline is basically, I mean, everyone knows the storyline

of, of Mario, right, right.

Mario and Luigi.

Right.

They're plumbers, they save the mushroom, kingdom bells are once

a merry peach, yada, yada, yada.

Right?

But this time it's, it's, it's, it's I'll, it's, I'll say this,

the movie's a lot more fun.

I mean, I, I really think that when it comes to video game

movies, they made a really great choice of keeping you animated.

Yes.

Live action is often difficult to replicate for video game movies.

Yeah, it well, because the video games are not live action themselves, right?

They're meant to be squishy.

They're meant to be fun to look at and stuff like that.

The character designs are not really meant to be brought to life in the

first place especially cartoon based.

Stuff, right?

So we saw that with the first iteration of, of salt, like the hedgehog.

And to be fair, I'm just gonna go ahead and, and give Mario all of

it stat pass that it needs to have.

I mean, on Rotten Tomatoes, the critics gave it a 59%, but the

audience score is six as 96%.

Now, here at Film Center, we don't care much about the critic.

We don't really care much about the the critics.

The critic can go the creek, right, exactly.

But.

Looking at Sonic when it had its first movie coming out that was

a 93% and the second one at 96%.

So then it's like, well, why do I think, I mean, obviously the Mario movie

has made so much more money, right?

Not like way more, way more, not even close, way more, very, very fast.

Yes.

So where does, where am I coming from that this Sonic is

probably gonna outlast Mario?

When it comes to theater, it comes down to two things.

One, the type of IP it is.

And number two, audience satisfaction.

Okay, so when it comes down to the type of ip, it is Nintendo.

Nintendo is known for not caring a lot about his audience.

Nintendo strives for perfection.

Yeah.

And everything that they do.

They have cut out.

I mean there was a, this isn't, like we said, this isn't the

first Mario movie, right.

It was also a Mario TV show.

Those things they want left buried when they people stream.

Nintendo product games on Twitch and stuff like that.

A lot of takedowns, the YouTube videos often get taken down.

They don't put out a lot of music either music from the games, they don't

allow to be played, stuff like that.

Almost to the point to where it seems like Nintendo isn't even really

friends with its audience compared to Sonic, the hedgehogs audience and

Sonic the way Sonic team handles it.

They'll let anyone just basically do anything.

Now, has this resulted in.

Some bad games.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, Sonic has not had a, had a, had a good game since Sonic Mania here in 2023.

But to be fair, the Sonics fan base, they'll take anything that they can

get, like they're not going to leave.

When it comes to the Mario fan base, the Nintendo expects perfection to happen.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Yeah, 100%.

Now, both of these, when it comes to audience scores, They

rank pretty similarly, right?

Yeah.

And with this Mario movie, because of how infamous the previous Mario movie was and

how infamous Nintendo's ability to bring Mario to the screen has been also on tv.

I, they pulled out all the stops.

I would be, it mean, you gotta look at the cast list.

Yeah.

The cast list of these two don't even match at all what signed the Hedgehog.

They have the same audience scores, but.

They don't even have anywhere near the star power.

They do.

No.

Well, Sonya, the Hedgehog, you're looking at the really the only E

lister is Jim Carey and Iris Elba.

No offense to James.

No offense to Ben Schwartz.

You know the voice of Sonya Hedgehog.

I love him.

And Parks and Rec.

James Cyclops, you know what I'm saying?

X-Men, all of 'em.

X-Men s Great movie.

And also he was also in that, this, well, first of all, I will say this, he

has experienced being in a movie with an animated sidekick on a, on a road trip.

Because wasn't he in a Hop Hop?

Yeah.

Remember the Easter movie?

Oh, the, yeah.

The Easter Bunny movie.

Yeah.

He was Peter Rabbit or something like that.

No, it, what's it called?

It was called, it was called Hop.

It was like the Easter Bunny movie.

Gotcha.

Remember where like the like.

He became like an Easter bunny or something like that.

I gotta admit that.

I mean, I, it is weird that he has experience doing this

exact same type of movement.

Exactly.

But at the same time, I mean, Jim Carey's the really the biggest name

attached to this project, right?

When people heard Jim Carey were gonna be in it, there was a good portion

of people like, oh, I'm not gonna see it cuz it's only cuz of Sonic.

I'm gonna see it cuz it's Jim Carey.

Right?

And then Iris Elba only came in and Sonic too.

So you can't say that.

Oh, I mean, You know, that one does re higher.

That one is a 96% on Rotten Tomatoes.

But when it comes to the Mario movie, I mean, you're talking about

Chris Pratt, Jack, black Keegan, Michael Key, Seth Rogan, Charlie

Day, these are all household names.

Yeah.

And you're, you're forgetting one very important stat that, that

we have not previously mentioned, that Mario has over Sonic.

And because it's better.

And that is the Peaches song.

Oh, the Peaches song.

So Jack Black, hold on.

Jack Black has a song called Peaches that went to number 83.

On the Hot 100.

Yeah.

Their marketing has been insane.

Sonic cannot say that.

Sonic cannot say that.

Although nothing Sonic had a song in the Hot 100.

I actually, I don't know, Ste from the city.

I might have to check on that.

I mean, There was, how old is that song?

It's, it's not, it's not, it's not relevant.

It's not as relevant as, as the featured song.

But listen, I like sonic racing just like anybody else.

You know, Mario's, Mario's marketing has been through the roof.

They spent all this money, right.

And then obviously it worked.

In fact, if they didn't make this kind of money bag, it would

be shocking and embarrassing.

Right.

Well, according to According to Variety they made, they only spent

about 80 million on the marketing.

Yeah.

So you're talking about a hundred million for the budget, right?

Yeah.

Then you're talking another 80 million for the marketing.

Right.

And to get their entire funds back, I think they're gonna need, what,

396 million according to mm-hmm.

What was that?

According to the daily campus break even point is 396 million.

So their break point is 396 million.

So if you look at Sonic Stacks stats, you know, when it comes to the actual

box office, it's not where Close, right?

Their first movie?

No, it was made for 85 and these are all from by the numbers.

It was made for 85 million, made back 319 million during a pandemic.

You know, when people were like, oh, some people say, oh, well, you know, maybe

that's the reason it made the money.

It didn't help other movies.

Other movies.

Sonic was not the only movie during the pandemic.

To be fair, it didn't help the other ones.

And then you're talking about Sonic Two.

Sonic Two was made for 110 110 million, made back 405 million.

So why didn't, why does it like, oh, why do I think Sonic's gonna outlast them?

I.

Because, well, you al you also do have to factor in the mystique of Jim Carey and

not, not just him as an actor, and him as a, as a force to, to reckon is, is the

fact that he was already semi-retired.

Before he did the Sonic movies.

Right.

And then also he's been acting kind of strange in the past couple of years.

We have some like soul searching or something, soul searching.

He's, I guess he's tired of being a Hollywood man.

He's try whatever it is.

Like he, he went to that award show and was like, I'm just trying to find

the most meaningless thing I could do.

And, and that's talk to the reporter he was talking to and just, yeah.

And so the thing is, is doing strange.

Things like that are, are maybe normal things, but we think they're

strange compared to everybody else.

Jim Carey might be on another level right now.

Right.

That adds to the mystique of not only had he not done a movie in a while,

but he's also doing these, these, Jim Carey said he was going to retire

after the first Sonic movie, and then, you know, Sonic Two comes out.

I mean at At, at the first Sonic movie, and then he announced

he's gonna be a Sonic Two.

Then he announced he's gonna be a Sonic three.

My whole thing is like they paid him money.

Yeah, yeah.

They paid him tons of money.

But my whole thing is like, I think this, this series is gonna outlast

because with Sonic fans, they're used to getting mediocre stuff or used to

things not working in their favor.

When something works and the Sonic team, Sonic fan base's favor, they will

talk about it until ends of the earth.

Yeah, they're used.

They're used to fail.

They're used to not really getting the best, they're used to getting

the short end of the stick.

Right.

Compared to Nintendo fans right Now, not saying Nintendo doesn't have any bad

games, because that would not be true.

Right.

I.

But Mario fans, Nintendo fans, they're used to things being really, really good.

Like, like I said, some of the games almost perfection, right?

Some of the games have also been bad, right?

However, they used to a lot of really great stuff.

Nintendo has failed historically when it comes to bringing things to the screen.

Like Legend of Zelda, they they had a TV series.

That was not good.

That was not popular.

You know, they have tried to bring him to film several times.

I, I think it was like about 12 years ago, a YouTube video was shown of a experiment

to see what that might look like.

It was some of the same guys who made the TM and T movie.

Right.

They made some like trailer for Legend of Zella that didn't end up going anywhere.

So of course they have to bank everything on being perfect, right?

That right.

Have to get this star, stu cast star study cast.

They have to spend all this money on marketing, right?

Like it was a huge marketing pariah and obviously it worked, but side

team doesn't need to do that.

The it, the reality of the situation is if Mario makes a really good movie, And then

the next one is just, okay, like maybe the audience score drops down to like, I

don't think it's 70%, maybe like 75, 80%.

The Nintendo team is gonna drop it.

Right.

Nintendo is famous for just dropping things that are not perfect.

Right.

Instead of keeping up with it and keeping, and, and, and continue to do

things and keep and improving on it.

Right?

Yeah.

Unlike Sonic team, the Sonic team, everyone knew there was gonna be

a Sonic Two when Sonic came out.

Everybody.

It wasn't his secret.

It wasn't like, oh, we don't think they're not going to do it.

Unlike they're about to cross a billion dollars and there is no talk of Mario too.

What is the first thing anyone says when there's a successful box off box?

Off weekend?

Yeah.

The second one.

Where is there gonna be a second one?

How?

How come there's no word of this.

Well, what's gonna be the storyline you could say about

any, any video game adaptation?

What's the storyline of the first Sonic movie?

It's a blue head, a first sonic video game.

It's a blue hedgehog that hits a guy who's shaped like an egg,

although he was technically robotnik, but you know what I'm saying?

There isn't a storyline then either.

You make up a storyline.

I, I think you, I think you make a great point, and I was

watching this video on John Cena.

He was talking about working in the wwe and there's been there, there

has been, and there always has been.

Talk of the W w E writing team, just being terrible.

Right, right.

Just, yeah.

And the workers, if you didn't know writing is wrestling is as fake, right?

It, it is fake wrestling.

If you, if you didn't know, the only real part is that they're really hitting

each other, but the rest of it is fake.

They're taking bumps and getting receipts and all kind of stuff.

Oh gosh.

You know, I always thought that that mat of theirs was like a bungee

mat or like soft or something.

Like it's not.

No, I did not know that.

Definitely not.

But anyway, what John Cena said was, he said, I have never been

giving a sheet of paper and thought, wow, this is brilliant writing.

Right?

He said, it's always been writing.

Yeah.

It's always, it, it, he said, it's not that it's gone downhill now that I'm

not there anymore in recent years, he said, but what I'm, what I'm saying is,

is I sit there and look at it and say, how can I get the best out of this?

Dog yeah.

This pile of yeah.

Right.

So I think that's what you're saying about Sonic and them, because I would

say that Mario doesn't have to do that.

Right.

Yeah.

And And Sonic does well.

Yeah.

I mean, I think Mario's way better off.

Than Sonic is.

I, well, I, I think that, well, no, I think it's really the expectations.

I mean, the Sonic team has taken Yeah, that's what I mean though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like Mario, if they didn't do super well, that's the thing with the Mario fan base.

If you didn't make it over 90%, that's a failure, right?

For the Sonic fans, if you would've made it 75% popularity on, on Rotten Tomatoes,

that would've been a win for them, right?

Right.

But because it's 90, it just InVigor.

It's not, and invigorates, but it really inspires them to come out and see 3, 4, 5.

I'm just saying if the second Mario movie is not at the same height as

this first one, they're gonna cut it off and yeah, probably they might be

making a billion dollars right now, but I guarantee you there's gonna be

Sonic four and there's gonna be a, a more sonic after that and eventually

they will cross the billion dollar.

It's like they're, they're, they're gonna win the, it'll just take longer, right?

They're gonna win the, the, it's like a tortoise versus the hair here.

It's a, Mario will win the battle, but Sonic's gonna win the war.

Yeah.

Because I guarantee you, over time they're gonna make more.

I mean, Sonic has how many shows on Netflix now?

Like they had Sonic Boom and actually Sonic Boom wasn't

even exclusive to Netflix.

And then they have some new, I guess like through portals and stuff like

that, they have another a Sonic TV show.

Right.

There's a whole always Sonic TV shows on it when we were kids.

Four W kids tv.

Yeah.

Sonic X, right, right.

Sonic X.

Sonic Repeatedly, the Sonic team repeatedly shows up when it comes

to television and entertainment for Sonic, which is probably why they were

so comfortable making a second movie.

Right, right.

So compared to the Mario team that has been shaking in their boots for

a very long time, and they had to come out big because they have not

responded to all this other stuff.

Now if you're talking about video games, it's totally different area, right?

Totally different area.

Mario is squashing in video games, galaxy, Mario's, Mario?

Absolutely.

Galaxy Roll.

Galaxy Gala two on the seat.

Yo, we're not doing, we're not talking about that right now though.

But I, I mean, you remember Sonic Racing, right?

Yeah.

I remember Sonic Racing.

I remember Sonic heroes was a lot of fun.

Mm-hmm.

Now again, Sonic has some good games, right.

But, and when it comes to filming and, and tv, the Sonic team is just more

willing to take the plunge and they've.

Made money off of it, a lot more money off of it than the Mario team has.

But also you like, you, like you said, like I've said, the

expectation is, is already down here.

Like it's, yeah.

If it, if it's a 75, if it, if it's not terrible, it's a win.

Right.

And that allows them to do it again and again, unlike Mario, one thing I

will say is if if they do do a sequel.

I'm not in like, yeah.

It's like, okay, well what's the storyline?

Well, they made up a storyline for all of 'em.

I mean, I never really, like when the, I heard the Sonic movie was coming out.

It's not like I knew what the storyline was going to be or what I could

imagine it being, and it definitely was way different than I thought.

I mean, first of all, them casting Jim Carrey, the fact that Jim Carrey's in

Sonic in the first place is mind boggling.

Yeah.

I thought that was crazy.

Yeah.

And then like they have all these, these crazy casting decisions.

Ben Schwartz is, is The Voice.

You know what I'm saying?

Then you have.

Freaking Iris Elba as Knuckles, but then when it comes to Mario, they knew you can

see exactly what they're doing, right?

Right.

They have all these names that are household names, right?

Even Seth Rogan as Donkey Kong Donkey.

Kong's not even the star, but you know, he's gonna be there.

And then they reference back to their video games with Sonic Race

with the a Mario Kart, right, right.

With the Rainbow Road.

Right.

So for them it's a huge advertisement, but for Sonic, it's just like another day.

So I really think Sonic's gonna outlast them over time.

I think the only way that Mario is going to In film and television.

In film and television, right.

Okay.

I think that Get that.

Yeah.

Get that straight.

First of all, get that straight.

I think that the best thing for the Mario team to do is just either

make this one movie, which I feel like I feel like they're gonna do.

I feel like you're just gonna just make this one.

Or if they do make it second one, it has to be better than the first one.

And here's the issue.

These actors are gonna wanna pay raise.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're not gonna do it.

It's not gonna be, it's not gonna be made for a hundred and a

hundred million dollars this time.

Well, I mean, Chris Pratt is like the it man in Hollywood right now.

Hot off guardians of the Galaxy, right?

Volume three, you know what I'm saying?

Because that, that is really Mario's only competition right now is when.

Guardians of the Galaxy Three comes out?

Well, I think that it's more like, I think the Guardians of the Galaxy Three is

actually doing great marketing for Mario.

I mean, he's the star of both movies.

Well, cause they're, yeah, they're both Chris Pratt movies, so, yeah.

Yeah, dude, I think it's, I think that it's actually going to be quite helpful.

And then plus, everyone loves Jack Black, to be fair.

To be fair, Jack Black could be in like anything I would, and I would watch it.

I, I gotta tell you, when I found out that they cast Jack Black as Bowser,

I was like, that sounds ridiculous.

I think all of these castings made people laugh.

And then I saw it and I was like, All right.

Maybe see what you got.

Yeah.

Then, then he, then he scored peaches, he things like peaches

making these guys work overtime.

Right, right.

But yeah, this has been film sender and my prediction is that Sonic

will outlast them, especially, I'll tell you what, if Sonic three has

shadow in it, Oh, that's a wrap.

They're gonna make some money.

They're, they're going to make some money.

Shot at the Hedgehog.

The fan favorite.

That's everyone's fa like Sonic is great.

Everyone loves Sonic Knuckles.

Everyone loves Knuckles.

People would kill for shadow.

People do, people will do dangerous things for that character.

Didn't Shadow have like a, like a gun video game?

Yeah.

Called Shadow the Hedgehog?

Yeah.

He had, like, I remember had, had on the PS two.

He was like, he was shooting people.

Right.

I was like, what?

I will say this.

Didn't he have like roller skates too?

Like No, no.

That's just how he runs.

It's like a smooth, he does like these hover.

He like, yeah, that's just how he runs.

It's like he just glides.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And like teleports and stuff like that.

That is like, I will say this, like when it comes to the Mario

characters, they're a lot more soft.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, like the, like the most evil person in the Mario world is, is Belzer.

Right then compared to Sonic, he has like, what so many enemies?

Was it Middle Sonic Knuckles?

Was Ris his enemy Shadow?

Dr.

Robotnik.

Right.

I think that's probably why they can probably get more out of it.

There's more range for stories compared to Mario.

His only real enemy is main Enemy anyway is Bowser.

I would Bowser, but also the storylines are a lot more plentiful in Sonic

than in Mario because Mario doesn't.

The, the storylines don't need to be plentiful.

It's just the same, it's the same formula.

They don't need it.

And I think that's part of the issue.

That's why probably they might not even make a second one.

Right, because it's, Hey, he saves the day.

Sonic has killed genies and stuff.

Right.

He's done like a billion and a half things.

That's, that's why I was saying like, what, what's gonna be the plot?

I mean, obviously you can write one, like I'm not saying you can't, but

I'm saying like, we're gonna try it.

I bet organically.

If you do a really great job, which they're doing right now, what's

the, what's the plot of the, you know, it's, it's, you're not wrong.

The only thing I can imagine them do.

All right.

So I've had to pitch for Mario till I would, if I was them, I would bring

in I would bring in some stuff for Mario Galaxy and be like, oh, okay.

Now it's not only the, you know, the mushroom kingdom now

it's the Mario Galaxy stuff.

But that's about it.

Like I don't, I don't, I don't know.

Cuz they already had so many references to Mario Galaxy in the, in the movie, they

already saw references to Mario Odyssey.

You know what I'm saying?

The issue is that they kind of put like, it seems like they

put everything in this one.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Instead of thinking of the longevity for it which I mean, quality wise

worked pretty well, but if you look at the reviews from audiences,

it gave you the same effect.

Yeah, if you have a movie which people are giving over 90 or 93% or higher,

again and again and again, like a, a movie franchise, four or five of

them that have that response from the audience, only one 96% movie.

Even if it does make a billion dollars, this isn't gonna be enough.

Because right now, those, both of those song movies combined,

it's not a billion dollars.

But it is over 700 million.

Yeah, it took them two to do it, but if they come up with two more,

that's gonna cross a billion.

Unlike Mario, and we know that, you know, DVD sales are not what they used

to be, so they're gonna have to make another one if they want to compete

again, which, you know, that they do.

However, I don't think, I don't think it's gonna be a good idea.

What do, what do you, let me ask you a question here.

What?

What would you rather I.

Would you rather the smashing success of the Mario movie?

Like let's say it goes on to make one and a half billion dollars.

Okay?

Or two.

Let's say 2 billion.

Let's say 2 billion, okay?

Would you rather an absolute smash of a success for one movie

or have like three good movies?

For Sonic I personally, you know, it's, it's, it's, there's, there's

two thoughts to this, right?

One of which is like the SpongeBob versus Neptune, where he makes all

those crabby patties and then, you know, no one likes him with SpongeBob.

Makes one.

That's good.

And then it's also like, oh, well, you know, there's another thought where

it's like, if I make a million pots and you make one pot, the likelihood that.

My million pots have a bunch of better ones.

Right.

It's more likely than you only have one good one.

The issue here is that both of these sonic movies have been liked a lot.

I would rather go for the franchise, and that sounds, I

mean, you know what I'm saying?

You're giving the sa, you're giving both audiences what they

want in the first place, right?

Right.

To show that you can repeatedly put out quality is better than

showing I can do quality once.

Amazing, amazing quality just once.

It's true.

But you're, you're, you're putting that against like years and years

of them doing like nothing True.

Hmm.

Like, you know, well, not by nothing, I mean like nothing when it comes to

entertainment television once again.

Right.

I've been killing in the fighting games.

Free games are awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I'd rather, I'd rather when it comes to a series and like I

said, that's why it's gonna be more profitable and that's why Sonic's

probably gonna allow out Outlast Mario.

But yeah, this has been film Center guys.

That's my prediction for Sonic versus Mario.

That at age old rivalry really.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and Mario's gonna pass a billion, I just know it is.

Oh, well of course it is eight, I think.

How do you high, do you think it's gonna get Oh, I, I could, I

could see it getting up to 1.5.

Yeah, that, that's, yeah.

Yeah.

1.5 Bill.

I see that.

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