In this episode of the One Big Thing Podcast, I’m joined by Hyrox World Champion Meg Jacoby. She shares her inspiring journey from Division 1 athlete to dominating competitive fitness—all after turning 30!

With a background in running and a passion for strength training, she overcame personal challenges, including becoming a single mom, to redefine her life and pursue her dreams at an elite level.

Meg emphasizes the importance of surrounding yourself with positive influences and recognizing when relationships may not serve your growth.

Throughout our conversation, she highlights the mental resilience required to achieve success and the need for a supportive community in fitness and life.

You will walk away motivated to evaluate your own paths and be inspired to push through obstacles, no matter your stage in life.

Takeaways:

• No matter where you are today, you still have time to accomplish extraordinary things!
• Your status does not define you - Meg is a single mom who's figured it out and is kicking tail across the globe
• Surrounding yourself with positive influences is crucial for personal growth and success.
• Fitness can serve as both an outlet for stress and a source of empowerment.
• Setting boundaries with unsupportive people can be essential for achieving your goals.
• It's never too late to rewrite your life narrative.

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About Meg Jacoby

Meg Jacoby is the current 2024 Hyrox world champion in only her 2nd season.

In her first season, she qualified for the elite 15 in her first race. In her second race, she broke the then women’s pro world record. She podiumed in her first two elite 15 major races, broke the women’s doubles world record, and later that first season she became the first woman to run a women’s pro in under 60 minutes, in a time of 58:58. Her first world championships she became the world champ runner up.

In her 2nd Hyrox season, she won the first two majors of the year, breaking her own world record again in Stockholm in a time of 58:50. It was then that she became a fully sponsored professional athlete, leaving her job at Lockheed Martin behind, and pursuing fitness full time. She podiumed the next 2 majors of the season in 2024, broke the women’s pro doubles world record, the mixed doubles world record, and the mixed relay world record. And went on to win her first world championship title in a blistering time of 59:59, winning by almost 4:00 minutes in Nice, France.

She is a former D1 athlete at the University of Connecticut, a Mom to a 10-year-old daughter, an Entrepreneur with a successful Coaching business, and one of the best to ever do it in her sport.

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Steve Campbell: 00:00:02

Welcome to the One Big Thing podcast, where inspiration beats transformation.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:12

Welcome to the One Big Thing podcast.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:15

I'm Steve Campbell.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:16

Very excited about this one today.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:17

Got my friend Meg Jacoby on.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:19

I'm gonna just tell you right here at the beginning that when I tell Meg, hey, what do people need to know about you that they don't know?

Steve Campbell: 00:00:25

She kind of undersells herself.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:27

So right at the beginning, I cleared up in the episode.

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Meg is a beast.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:31

She's incre.

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She is the Hyrox world champion.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:33

She's a record setter.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:35

Hyrax is very similar to a crossfit.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:37

Meg is going to talk about her story in which she pushed herself to the limit being a D1 college athlete and found this passion in weight training, lifting and running when a friend introduced her to Hyrox.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:48

And she has quickly catapulted to becoming one of the top athletes in the world, setting records.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:53

But she's also a single mom and she's got a daughter 10 years old.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:56

And we get into it in this episode.

Steve Campbell: 00:00:58

So just a little bit of framework for you today.

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We got Meg Jacoby, high rocks champion.

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She's going to share with you everything from what this journey has been like, getting into high rocks, lessons learned along the way, as well as maybe you might have in your life like Meg did.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:12

When you are pushing yourself to cast a vision, whether it's in business or in fitness or you're just banking on yourself and investing in yourself, there are going to be people in your life, regardless of how close they are to you, that just don't understand.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:25

And they may not be so overtly out in your face and saying, hey, I don't believe believe in you.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:30

But it's a subtleness.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:31

The questions that they ask, are you sure this is what you want to do?

Steve Campbell: 00:01:34

Or do you have people in your life that are champing you?

Steve Campbell: 00:01:37

So Megan and I not only talk about fitness, but we talk about maybe relationships and how to look at them.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:42

And how do you even begin to maybe separate yourself from people that aren't serving the vision that's on your life, but do it in a healthy, respectful way.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:50

So we cover a whole lot of things in this episode.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:52

You're going to leave with some real takeaways, learning about mindsets and how you can push yourself.

Steve Campbell: 00:01:57

And I think the real thing that I took away from this episode as Meg shares this journey in Hyrox didn't start until she was 30 years old.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:05

What story are you writing for your life?

Steve Campbell: 00:02:07

And even if you feel stuck or you Feel like this is the longest season of your life.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:12

Can you use Meg's story as an inspiration to show you that you never know what might be coming around the next turn in your life?

Steve Campbell: 00:02:18

As you're going to hear from Meg.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:20

She put herself in position through physical fitness training and was introduced in Hyrox, which has now launched her into superstardom in many ways.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:27

What is it that you need to do in your life to position yourself to live the life that you're meant to live?

Steve Campbell: 00:02:32

So, as always, thanks for being my guest on the One Big Thing podcast and enjoy this episode with Meg Jacobe.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:39

Well, welcome back to the One Big Thing.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:41

Steve Campbell here with you.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:42

If you're watching on YouTube and you're like, hey, I've never seen you wear a backwards trucker hat, this is actually a very special episode today as I have Meg Jacoby on with me.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:50

Meg was a referral from a good friend who were both into health and fitness as men and dads.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:56

And he said, hey, you got to have Meg Jacoby on.

Steve Campbell: 00:02:58

She is just a phenomenal athlete and, and doing incredible things on a world scale.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:02

And so I'm super excited to get into this conversation today.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:06

And when I work out in the gym in the morning, I throw a backwards hat on.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:08

And so I thought for this one today to get into the right mode, to get into the right mindset, and to honor Meg, why not get into the, the full scale, you know, role of, of.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:17

Of Steve the lifter.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:19

But for those that are here to celebrate Meg, welcome to the One Big Thing.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:23

This is an interview style show where, you know, my heart was to really encourage people in their 30s and 40s that are going through maybe challenging or difficult season.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:32

There may be a lot of good, but then there's also a lot of things that are confusing or don't quite make sense.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:37

I wanted to bring guests from all walks of life, obviously, if you know Meg.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:41

But I've had NFL athletes, people from Peloton, musicians, and it's just been a very cool opportunity for me to say, like, what is behind everything that you do?

Steve Campbell: 00:03:49

That maybe could be insecurities or things you're dealing with that can humanize all of us.

Steve Campbell: 00:03:54

And I serve as the chief brand officer at my business, so protecting brands, telling stories at the heart of what I do.

Steve Campbell: 00:04:00

But as a dad married with four young kids under eight years old, I'm in thick of the seasons of life that many of my listeners are.

Steve Campbell: 00:04:07

And so just honored when anybody is willing to take 30, 40 minutes, however long it Takes to get through part of what's on their mind and what they're working on.

Steve Campbell: 00:04:15

And so when Meg, who I know is traveling all over, made time for me today, I just wanted to make sure that I honor her time.

Steve Campbell: 00:04:22

So, Meg, welcome to the one big thing.

Steve Campbell: 00:04:23

For those that don't know you though, or you know what you're working on, what are maybe some things right here at the beginning you think would be helpful for any new listener that's never heard of you before.

Meg Jacoby: 00:04:33

About myself, I'm just a kind of a small town girl that living in a lonely world.

Meg Jacoby: 00:04:41

Yeah.

Meg Jacoby: 00:04:43

Great song.

Meg Jacoby: 00:04:45

Yeah.

Meg Jacoby: 00:04:46

Just I was an athlete my whole life and I went through some hard times in my 20s and kind of just leaned into the things that empowered me the most and it ended up turning into my full time career.

Meg Jacoby: 00:05:00

So I became a professional athlete in my early 30s.

Meg Jacoby: 00:05:05

Very unexpected.

Meg Jacoby: 00:05:07

Not a typical track, I would say for, for athletes in general, but yeah, just self belief and you know, overcoming obstacles is what has really kind of gotten me where I am.

Speaker C: 00:05:21

Yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:21

Well, Meg, I'm going to have to sell the sizzle then because it's not just like you're just an athlete that's playing flag football on the weekends or Uncle Rico who thinks he still has that.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:31

You are, for those that don't know, the High Rocks world champion and you've been a world record setter.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:37

And from what I've kind of understood from the outside, I've trained, I've lifted my entire life.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:41

High Rocks is very similar to like a, a CrossFit Games where it's high intensity workouts.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:46

You're competing with athletes all over the world.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:49

So you're not just like this person that was in accounting and then, you know, decided at 30 to just go run a marathon.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:56

I mean, you are literally the world champion in High Rock.

Steve Campbell: 00:05:59

So, you know, when we say sports and athletes, it's kind of a different level.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:03

But I think that's what's so cool about connecting with you.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:05

Because if I, from what I kind of learned about you, you grew up in the southern tier of New York.

Meg Jacoby: 00:06:11

Yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:11

Here that you went to Maine as well.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:12

So I'm a Vestal grad.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:14

I'm living down here in Knoxville, Tennessee now.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:16

Move my family through Covid.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:18

So a lot of people have realigned through as the world has changed.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:21

But anytime you can get somebody from the 607 area code that is doing incredible stuff, you want to try to reconnect with them.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:29

So talk to us then about that journey.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:31

You know, you Said you got into high rocks, and if I butchered skyrocks or you need to explain it anymore, please go into it.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:37

But you were doing something, and it wasn't until you were 30 that you kind of got into this.

Steve Campbell: 00:06:42

So, yeah, what were, what were you doing before 30?

Steve Campbell: 00:06:45

And then what in the world happens where you're just like, I can just go compete at a world scale?

Meg Jacoby: 00:06:50

Yeah.

Meg Jacoby: 00:06:52

So I've been a runner my whole life.

Meg Jacoby: 00:06:54

I was a Division 1 runner at UConn out of high school and just always into sports and fitness.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:02

And I started lifting when I was 15, and that was kind of not typical at the time.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:08

So in my 20s, I had my daughter when I was 23.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:14

I became a single parent at 25.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:16

And I just really started to kind of like lean back into that competitive side of myself.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:23

I started running with a local group here.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:25

I started getting back into road racing.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:28

I started running pretty awesome times, you know, some of my fastest times ever.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:33

And my late 20s Covid happened, kind of shut all of the racing down.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:42

I was training for my first full marathon when, you know, everything shut down.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:47

And then all the races were getting canceled.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:49

So when the gyms opened back up during COVID I just went full bore into the lifting side, the strength side.

Meg Jacoby: 00:07:58

I started doing some powerlifting, I started doing some CrossFit, and I got really strong in a few years.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:05

And then basically a friend had told me about this event called Hyrox that combined the running and the strength side.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:12

And it was just something that my body just adapted to super well the type of training that was needed for it.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:21

I'm a very high volume person.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:23

I'm working out multiple times a day.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:26

And I was.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:27

Then I was like running in the morning for an hour and then going and lifting for 90 minutes in the afternoon or in my garage gym because I have a daughter, obviously.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:36

So it was just something I found.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:38

And my first race, I qualified for the, like Elite 15, they call it.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:45

It's the top 15 best people in the whole world that get to compete on the biggest stage.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:50

So my first race, brand new, I had already made it into that elite group.

Meg Jacoby: 00:08:55

And in my second race four weeks later, I ended up actually breaking the women's pro world record.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:01

So I set my first world record within four weeks of doing my first event.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:06

So it was just one of those things that obviously it was many, many, many years of buildup in training and working out and all those things that had developed the skill set that I needed to find this and have success in it right away.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:21

But it's also just kind of the mindset behind it.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:25

When I had done it my first time I said okay, this was so fun.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:31

I loved this, I loved the challenge and like I'm an all in person so it was okay, I'm all in now.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:37

I was always, I'm always kind of all in.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:40

But then you, when you really find a passion for something then it's like okay, now I want to like do everything I can to you know, see where I can take this.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:49

And I just have this feeling instinctually that this is something I should follow and that could change my life.

Meg Jacoby: 00:09:56

And I really believed that very quickly and I'm glad I did because in the last year the sport in general has grown to.

Meg Jacoby: 00:10:08

It's actually surpassed CrossFit now and the amount of participants is higher than CrossFit's ever seen.

Meg Jacoby: 00:10:15

And it's a much newer sport so the growth of it in the last two years since I've been involved has been incredible.

Meg Jacoby: 00:10:23

And that's also helped open a lot of doors for me with my career.

Steve Campbell: 00:10:28

In, in this what, what a trajectory, right?

Meg Jacoby: 00:10:32

You're just was not anticipated a Yukon.

Steve Campbell: 00:10:36

Husky, you know, just running and then you know you just decide someone introduces you something, you just show up a couple weeks later and set a world record.

Steve Campbell: 00:10:43

And you know, from what I've seen from the videos on Hyracks, it's a lot of sled poles, it's a lot of rowing, it's a lot of push ups, pull ups, you know, high intensity, you know type training that you kind of, you know went into.

Steve Campbell: 00:10:55

So incredible for you that you set this world record but had spent years kind of training what I, I guess my question is even backing up, what were you doing?

Steve Campbell: 00:11:05

Were you just full time?

Steve Campbell: 00:11:06

I'm going to get into high rocks training.

Steve Campbell: 00:11:08

Did you have like a nine to five were you.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:10

Oh yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:11:11

Waiting table.

Steve Campbell: 00:11:12

Oh yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:11:13

Okay.

Steve Campbell: 00:11:13

Yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:11:13

Like that seemed like the natural path to.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:16

Okay so yeah, totally.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:18

I went from like being a desk person in like an engineering field to being a professional athlete.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:26

No.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:26

So yeah I was working for Lockheed full time and I was also actually still coaching.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:32

I coached cross country and track at Maine Edwell for six years.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:36

So my first like couple races that I'd ever done in Hyrax.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:42

I was actually working two jobs so I was waking up at like 4am training.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:47

I was buying like as much equipment as I could off of Facebook Marketplace.

Meg Jacoby: 00:11:52

Like if anyone was selling something from COVID I was like trying to buy as much like a Treadmill and sandbags and all the equipment that I could, you know, as much as I could.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:03

Because I knew, you know, especially as a mom, my time was so limited.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:07

If I could do as much at home as possible, that would be the most ideal.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:12

And it was really.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:13

It was a lot of sacrifice from my.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:16

I would say my daughter sacrificed a lot.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:18

And it was time with me.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:21

And it was also coming to the gym with me.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:24

There were nights where I was like, I have to go to the gym for one hour.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:28

Like, you have to come with me.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:30

I'm lucky I had a gym that allowed that.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:33

And, like, she didn't go to a daycare.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:35

She, like, hung out with me.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:36

And a lot of great things, I think, come from that.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:39

Your kids seeing you active and working out and pushing yourself.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:43

But also, like, you know, she was seven, eight years old.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:47

Like, this is the last thing she wants to do after school is, like, come to the gym with her mom.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:52

But it was also having conversations about why I'm doing this.

Meg Jacoby: 00:12:57

Like, I'm like, hey, I believe that I can do something really special with this and I want to give it my all.

Meg Jacoby: 00:13:03

And that's what you have to do.

Meg Jacoby: 00:13:06

And she's been a huge supporter of mine, so she's my number one cheerleader.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:11

Well, it's awesome that you're a mom.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:13

And then you went on to set your best times ever.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:16

And I'm just thinking about a few things, folks.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:18

Can we just all be thankful that we've evolved from Craigslist to Facebook Marketplace?

Steve Campbell: 00:13:23

The fear of murder within Craigslist was absolutely sky high for quite a while.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:29

So at least Facebook is a little bit more attainable.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:31

And hey, I have no idea how many Lockheed Martin listeners listen to this podcast, but if you look to your right or left, you never know, you could be sitting next to a world record setter at Lockheed today.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:42

So, like, I think that's what's so cool is, you know, what I've learned, you know, doing 40 plus episodes and again, talking to people from all over.

Steve Campbell: 00:13:51

The idea of, like, my break, like, when's the break gonna come?

Steve Campbell: 00:13:55

Because I think we're all secretly searching for a spark or something that can maybe make the mundane of even raising kids truthfully, you know, just kind of break it up.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:06

And when you're at Lockheed, you know, wasn't like, and maybe I'm wrong that you set out and said, I'm going to go do this thing to compete at this level, but you put yourself in position to push yourself physically, and that's when you got introduced to Hyrax.

Meg Jacoby: 00:14:20

Yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:21

So I.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:21

So I think so many people are trying to circumvent that first step and figure it all out while they're still raising kids and while they're married or while they're working a job, and it's just too hard to do.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:32

So, I mean, kudos to you that you put in the time and you put in the sacrifice.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:37

I think that's helpful for individuals that are maybe out there wanting to push themselves today.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:41

But I love the idea that you were a mom first, you had a child, your daughter was growing with you and going through that.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:47

So it wasn't like, you know, I think sometimes as people, when you bring kids into the world, you do give up a lot and you sacrifice as a parent, but it doesn't mean your life is over or on hold.

Steve Campbell: 00:14:59

And I think when you do have kids and you see, you know, somebody like yourself doing something, the assumption is, well, she must not have kids, or the responsibilities that.

Steve Campbell: 00:15:07

That I have.

Steve Campbell: 00:15:08

What has been that process?

Steve Campbell: 00:15:10

Because I know you've competed against other moms within high rocks.

Meg Jacoby: 00:15:13

Yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:15:13

What's that community been like?

Steve Campbell: 00:15:15

Obviously, the most elite of elite athletes, but have you also found that as you've gotten into this world of training, that you're just your.

Steve Campbell: 00:15:23

Your network of other people and encouraging them and they might not be a high rocks, you know, competitor, but, like, how has this just expanded your reach just with everyday people?

Meg Jacoby: 00:15:34

Oh, I think it's incredible to be somebody who others view as inspiring.

Meg Jacoby: 00:15:42

I think that's been one of the coolest parts of this journey, is I get so many messages and DMS and comments and about, you know, you're my hero or you're my idol, or, like, I would love, you know, I.

Meg Jacoby: 00:15:57

I look so up to you and all that.

Meg Jacoby: 00:15:59

And it's like, I take that really seriously in the way I carry myself, in the way I speak, in the way I post, because that's a really special position to be for somebody.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:14

And I grew up having those people that I emulated.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:16

Right.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:17

And I think, you know, I don't want to ever let any.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:24

It's like, I don't want to let people down.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:25

Of course, I don't think I would, but it's like, I really take that as a serious thing because I'm impacting someone's life in a positive way.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:36

And that means a lot.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:38

That means a lot to them.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:39

So it means a lot to me.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:41

And I try to answer every single message.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:44

If I win a race or I get a bunch of messages.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:47

I try to answer every single one because someone took time out of their life and day to congratulate me.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:53

And that means a lot, and it means a lot to people.

Meg Jacoby: 00:16:56

So I think that's probably been the coolest part of the journey, is just getting to, like, help inspire other moms, other parents, other women.

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:07

Because if you.

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:09

When people hear my real story, where, you know, I've been a single parent for 10 years, my daughter's almost 10, this isn't a typical trajectory for somebody in that position.

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:22

And so to be someone who can show, hey, like, you can get through anything, you know, if you are willing to do the work, you can, you can do anything truly.

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:35

And I think we tell our kids that, right?

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:37

We always tell them, like, you can be anything you want to be in life.

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:40

But I think often I wonder, are we actually living proof of that?

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:45

And that's something that I'm really passionate about, that I get to be the living proof for my daughter that you really can aspire to be anything that you want.

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:56

It's never going to be easy.

Meg Jacoby: 00:17:57

And she's watched me fail many times, and she's watched me cry in the garage and be so sick of the training or feeling beat down and run down, like she's seen all of it.

Meg Jacoby: 00:18:09

So she is getting firsthand witness of also what it takes because it's, you know, nothing is ever handed to you.

Meg Jacoby: 00:18:17

So I think that's really important.

Meg Jacoby: 00:18:20

I try to be super authentic with my story because I do want that to resonate with people, because no life is, you know, no one's life is perfect.

Meg Jacoby: 00:18:29

And if you haven't gone through hard times, you're going to at some point because it doesn't skip anyone.

Meg Jacoby: 00:18:37

You know, we can't avoid things happen in life, and it's not always great, you know, so we have to roll with the punches sometimes and adapt and overcome.

Meg Jacoby: 00:18:51

And I think going through a lot of that early on in my life has.

Meg Jacoby: 00:18:55

Has also made me the strong woman that I am now, and I don't regret anything.

Meg Jacoby: 00:19:02

You know, I would never take anything back because it's all kind of led me exactly here.

Meg Jacoby: 00:19:07

And having the mindset that I have has also led me here.

Meg Jacoby: 00:19:10

And those things contribute to that so well.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:14

And you are.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:15

You are such an inspiration because I, you know, some.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:17

Some guests I have on, I'm very close with, I knew in a past life, and it's just like, hey, you want to come back on?

Steve Campbell: 00:19:22

And, you know, bring life full circle with some people.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:26

Especially when they refer to you.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:27

I like to do my homework.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:28

I like to make sure that I'm prepared and I understand what's happened to them in their life.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:32

And I think what was very cool about kind of just looking you up is where you show up.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:37

And, you know, I saw that there was an entire chat on Reddit, the Meg Jacoby chat.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:42

And, you know, really, it's one.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:44

It's when you know you've made it.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:47

It was.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:47

It was.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:48

It was something to do with running a lot of runners commenting.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:51

And there was.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:51

It was positive, but it was just kind of cool to see that fast.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:55

No, it was kind of cool to see the thread that was happening.

Steve Campbell: 00:19:58

And I watched a couple of YouTube videos on you and saw some interviews because I always like to also get a feel for people's disposition and personality and like, man, are we going to connect?

Steve Campbell: 00:20:07

And how do I bring the best, best parts out of them and let them shine?

Steve Campbell: 00:20:10

And I think, you know, with.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:11

With what I'm seeing from what you've done.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:13

I live my life vicariously through your pictures and reels because you and your friends are so jacked.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:18

And, you know, I.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:19

It's just like, man, the superhuman avengers in every picture, doing life.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:23

But you guys are pushing yourself in finding community with each other.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:27

And what.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:28

What you had just kind of said in that last part is.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:30

I think what really has resonated with me over the last, you know, several years is as.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:34

As being a dad has changed me.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:36

Going through Covid, just living my life and experiencing what other people have gone through is I've.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:41

I've never walked a day in somebody else's shoes.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:44

And like you said, challenges are going to catch up to all of us, regardless of who you are.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:48

But those challenges look different for every single person.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:51

And so I try to find a wide array of guests that can speak to different things that people might be dealing with.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:58

You know, if I.

Steve Campbell: 00:20:59

If I have a, you know, a couple friend and they have a child with special needs, my kids don't have special needs.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:05

I can't sit here and tell them that they should parent this way or do this because I'm not with them every day, or the things that you might be struggling with in your life might be mental or emotional or physical, don't ever limit or devalue what you're going through, because it may be a different challenge than other people.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:23

And so I always try to figure out, there's so many people that what I always say suffer in silence and never express what is holding them back from the life they want to live.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:32

It could be a financial burden.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:34

It could be being.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:35

Being a single parent.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:36

And so to kind of tap into, you know, again, my world.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:40

I got Steph, my wife, and we got four kids.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:42

But you being a single parent and doing high rocks and being at the stage and being a role model and wanting to give back, I mean, obviously, you are giving so much of your time and space, you know, to.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:53

To people that want to hear from you.

Steve Campbell: 00:21:55

But what, you know, within, like, how do you get community yourself and how do you push yourself?

Steve Campbell: 00:22:00

Because that's one thing with this show that I always push every guest to do.

Steve Campbell: 00:22:04

We're going to inspire a whole lot of people over 30, 40 minutes with stories that are like, that's so good, guys.

Steve Campbell: 00:22:09

But it's like, how do we also give people really practical things that you've learned through this journey that maybe someone can implement?

Steve Campbell: 00:22:17

I mean, on those days when you don't feel like going anymore or you're crying with your daughter or you lose at the.

Steve Campbell: 00:22:24

At a championship, are there.

Steve Campbell: 00:22:26

Are there.

Steve Campbell: 00:22:27

Is it therapy?

Steve Campbell: 00:22:28

Is it journaling?

Steve Campbell: 00:22:29

Is it an app?

Steve Campbell: 00:22:30

Is it a way to decompress?

Steve Campbell: 00:22:32

Like, how does Meg Jacoby keep going or to get better?

Steve Campbell: 00:22:36

Has there been anything in your life that has just worked for you or you've tried that you think, you know, could inspire or help somebody else?

Meg Jacoby: 00:22:44

Well, really, I think fitness has always been my therapy, and that's where I've always come.

Meg Jacoby: 00:22:52

Always.

Meg Jacoby: 00:22:52

Anytime I'm going through anything challenging, that's my go to.

Meg Jacoby: 00:22:58

Every time is like, if I'm upset, I go to the gym.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:01

If I'm upset, I'm running or I'm doing something physical.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:06

Because of the mental positive side that it brings to me, it can completely change my mood.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:12

Listening to music is very therapeutic to me as well.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:16

So it's like I always leaned into that, into the fitness, into the working out.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:22

And that always makes me feel so much better because that's where I'm most empowered.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:26

I feel like my strongest self, my most authentic self is when I'm doing something physical, because really, it's just been such a huge part of my life since I was a child.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:38

So I've always found that even when I'm sick of training, hey, Coach Rain.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:45

But I'll do something different, right?

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:46

Something that makes me happier, brings me joy.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:48

It's going to a CrossFit class.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:50

It's being around other people.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:51

It's meeting up with some friends and going for a run.

Meg Jacoby: 00:23:54

But it does always involve fitness in some capacity, But I like to include people in that.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:00

With me, that's kind of how I get my community.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:03

Because life is so.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:06

When you're chasing something that's big, life can't really be balanced.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:11

There's no such thing.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:12

It's just not possible.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:13

You have to put so much of your time and energy into that thing and in that direction.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:19

And so for me, I've given up a lot of social life.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:23

I don't go out, I don't really hang out.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:26

It's very.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:26

They say it's lonely at the top, and that is so true.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:29

My circle has gotten smaller and smaller and smaller.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:34

And that's also been an awakening because that's also me realizing the type of people I want to be surrounded by, the type of mindsets of the people that I'm surrounded by.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:45

Because it all really directly impacts you, whether you realize it or not.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:49

I always say that you're the average of the five closest people to you.

Meg Jacoby: 00:24:53

So if you're surrounding yourself with people who are negative, who aren't positive, who aren't building you up, who aren't supporting you, that also will.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:01

You will start to not support yourself over time.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:07

So I've really learned that there's certain people I want to be around.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:11

Those are the people that like doing the things that I like to do, that like to push themselves, that want to be successful.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:18

And I've put myself in rooms that I don't belong in necessarily at the time.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:23

But because I want to grow as a person, I try to surround myself with people that I really look up to in some way, and that can be someone in business or other people in the fitness industry.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:34

It's been influencers that I've met.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:38

There's so many inspiring people that this journey has.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:41

Has brought into my life that I'm really grateful for.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:46

But, yeah, it's.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:47

It's doing the work regardless is also what builds confidence in me to keep going.

Meg Jacoby: 00:25:56

And that's where I think showing up even when you don't want to, or even when it's hard, or even when you haven't slept, or even when you have a busy schedule, if you can make that time and show up for yourself, it instills so much confidence in you.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:08

And then the next time it's easier and easier and easier, and then it's just a habit and you don't miss it, whatever that is.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:15

It could be gym, it could be spending more time with your family, whatever it is.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:20

So that's kind of what I've done, and it's, it's just worked.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:23

And it's been years of that consistency and that mindset, and that's what instills the confidence to then be like, okay, I can do this at a high level.

Steve Campbell: 00:26:32

Yeah, there's.

Steve Campbell: 00:26:33

There's a lot to unpack in the things that you just said.

Steve Campbell: 00:26:35

So my, my curious question.

Steve Campbell: 00:26:36

What does Mike Jacoby listen to when you train?

Steve Campbell: 00:26:38

Is there a certain musician or genre that's like your.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:41

Oh, it could be anything.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:43

I'm like a jazz.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:44

metimes it's old school, like: 2000

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:49

Like, it just kind of depends on the workout, you know?

Steve Campbell: 00:26:54

Blink 182.

Steve Campbell: 00:26:56

Hello there.

Meg Jacoby: 00:26:57

Yeah, a little bit of that, a little bit of that.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:00

Carson's Daily's TRL in like: 2002

Meg Jacoby: 00:27:06

And I was like, yeah, right.

Meg Jacoby: 00:27:09

Throwbacks are so good.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:11

So our number ones today that we play in our, our car with our kids, it's like, man, I remember listening to oldies with my parents.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:17

And it's just how that happens, you know, as I was thinking about your five closest friends, I think I, first of all, I would love that.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:24

My disposition in life is when I'm feeling overwhelmed.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:27

I just got to go train.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:28

I would love that.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:29

I just feel like, you know what, I got to go for a run today.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:33

It's not, you know, for me, truthfully.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:35

My.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:35

I grew up a very heavy set kid, so I had two older brothers.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:39

Mom always had plenty of food on the table and I just found that food was a coping mechanism for me.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:45

So where you're doing power cleans and going for runs, I'm, you know, having, you know, Reese peanut butter cups or, you know, whatever, because it became a place of.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:54

My kids are a lot today.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:56

I can't even figure myself out when they go to bed.

Steve Campbell: 00:27:59

I'm going to go raid the kitchen at night because somehow I feel that this food is going to help me.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:04

And I've had to constantly.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:06

I've always had the discipline, being a D1 athlete myself, of doing P90x over the years.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:12

Great shout out.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:13

By the way, one of my sponsors is the Shred app.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:16

If anybody is out there and you're inspired by mag, Shred is a AI created workout app that you can have in your phone that when you show up in the gym or at home, creates entire workouts for you.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:27

So if you're kind of Like, I, I feel inspired, but I don't know what to do.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:30

Shred is a great app that somebody can check out that has really transformed the way that I train.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:35

But I'm somebody that's at the gym four days a week.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:38

I get up at, at 4:30 every morning.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:40

I go before the kids get up and I do the first part.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:43

What I struggle with in my life is there's a morning Steve and then there's an evening Steve when I wake up.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:49

When I wake up in the morning and I go into the bathroom and I splash cold water on my face and I sneak out of the house, I literally feel like I can do anything in the world.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:57

There is no challenge too hard.

Steve Campbell: 00:28:59

I go and I train my butt off for an hour.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:01

I take care of my body.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:02

I see the other, you know, people that are there in the morning that are disciplined.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:07

Throughout the course of the day, I do fine.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:09

But when I get into the evening especially, especially, you know, when work's done and the work really starts.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:13

Being a parent with kids, the time between 5 o'clock and bedtime is sometimes a draining time where, especially with four kids, you're making meals, you're getting kids to bed, that by the time you finally hit your bed at night, you're just so exhausted.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:27

And that's usually when I make bad decisions.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:30

So when I was thinking about your story having an obvious bent towards fitness as being an outlet for you, I think when you walk and you see other people that look like you and physically in shape, you can immediately tell that fitness is a part of their life.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:43

I mean, you don't just have abs body from not taking care of yourself.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:47

So the physical aspect, I'm thinking about the person who's out there, that their disposition isn't weight training, it's not running.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:55

That's the last thing that they want to do.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:56

Maybe they have unhealthy ways of coping.

Steve Campbell: 00:29:59

And so with you, your community is almost a dead giveaway because you can see, see physically what people look like.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:05

And it's like, those are my people.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:07

I'm thinking about the single mom or the couple or the individual that's in their 30s and 40s that doesn't even know what they're looking for in a community.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:16

And so maybe they recognize that, okay, if I'm, if I'm an average of the five people closest to me, my friends are all kind of negative, Is that not good?

Steve Campbell: 00:30:25

Like, where do my negative thoughts come from?

Steve Campbell: 00:30:27

Why am I usually a glass half empty kind of of person?

Steve Campbell: 00:30:31

Or when my spouse says something, I'm pessimistic about what they're going through.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:35

Any.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:36

And I know it's different because your world is physical.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:39

But as you've crossed paths with people or you've inspired people or even the questions followers of yours have reached out to, like, how do people find.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:49

If you are the.

Steve Campbell: 00:30:50

An average of the top five people, how do you begin to take inventory of your own values and what's important to you?

Steve Campbell: 00:30:56

So like, when you see it, when you hear, you know, when it's evident in front of you, you're like, these are the kind of people I to surround myself and have you had to.

Steve Campbell: 00:31:04

Because it's lonelier at the top.

Steve Campbell: 00:31:06

Have you ever had to pull away from an unhealthy relationship?

Steve Campbell: 00:31:10

And like, what, what does that look like?

Steve Campbell: 00:31:12

Is that, is that a text?

Steve Campbell: 00:31:13

Is it.

Steve Campbell: 00:31:13

I said I sent you a Snapchat.

Steve Campbell: 00:31:15

Like, for you, what has been the, the healthiest way to be?

Steve Campbell: 00:31:18

Like, I got goals.

Steve Campbell: 00:31:20

I got to go do this over here.

Steve Campbell: 00:31:22

This isn't working.

Steve Campbell: 00:31:23

If somebody does recognize that there's a relationship in their life that isn't quite working out, what has been your experience for maybe starting to pull away from somebody?

Meg Jacoby: 00:31:32

Yeah, so I've posted about this a lot, actually, because people will.

Meg Jacoby: 00:31:37

I will occasionally do some Q&As and then people will ask some personal questions.

Meg Jacoby: 00:31:42

And I've talked about this many times.

Meg Jacoby: 00:31:45

When I first started doing Hyrox, I learned very quickly, I think, just by having a really positive growth mindset.

Meg Jacoby: 00:31:54

When I kind of started to evaluate the people I was surrounded by.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:02

When people start growing, oftentimes their friends or other people in their life, they don't like that.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:10

And there's a reason.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:11

It's a.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:12

You're kind of holding a mirror and usually it's the reflection of themselves that they're not liking, but they also like the person you were.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:21

That's who they know.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:22

And when you start to change as a person and that puts people, that makes people uncomfortable, especially people that are maybe a little more complacent in life and they're just like, fine, you know, being.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:37

I don't want to say mediocre, but like, they don't have big goals.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:40

They're not really trying to achieve anything.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:42

They're just kind of like floating through life.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:45

And I've always been a really big goal oriented person.

Meg Jacoby: 00:32:48

So when I started hearing some of the things my friends were saying about my goals with my journey when I first started, I started to realize that I needed to really Evaluate who was in my circle and who I was spending time with because like I said, my time was becoming even more limited.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:06

Now I have even less time for social engagement.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:09

And so for me, if I'm taking the time to do that away from my daughter, away from training things at time that I'm not implementing towards chasing my goal, this is very valuable time for me and I want it to be spent on people that deserve it, not people that are sitting here and telling me, don't forget you're a mom.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:32

Don't forget you can't travel and do everything.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:34

Don't forget you need balance in life.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:36

Don't forget, you know, or kind of being negative about what I'm trying to do.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:42

And it was, I just started to remove myself.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:47

I don't think everything is deserving of a full blown conversation.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:52

Sometimes that might be what you need.

Meg Jacoby: 00:33:54

Personally, I just kind of learned that I needed to just slowly kind of remove myself from those situations in those environments.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:02

And so that's just what I honestly started doing.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:07

And when it's been brought up to me, you know, I've been very straight up and very honest about it.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:12

But, but yeah, it's looking around and you are what you consume.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:18

This is something I'm really big on.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:20

And so my boyfriend and I both, we really limit our time with social media.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:26

When we are around people, we have, you know, we'll go home and it's kind of like I don't really like the way that this person thinks.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:34

And you know, that's fine.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:36

There is a level of you have to accept people for who they are.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:40

Of course.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:40

Right.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:41

We all want to be accepted for who we are.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:43

But there is also an energy thing.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:46

And if people are bringing negative energy to you constantly and it's become, it's a regular thing and it's a consistent thing, then that's when you need to maybe reevaluate that particular relationship.

Meg Jacoby: 00:34:59

And I know that that is not easy.

Meg Jacoby: 00:35:02

And it can be family and setting boundaries in my opinion is one of the highest levels of self respect that you can have for yourself.

Steve Campbell: 00:35:11

Sure.

Meg Jacoby: 00:35:12

And, and following through on those.

Meg Jacoby: 00:35:13

So that's something I've just become much, much better about in my time the last two years.

Meg Jacoby: 00:35:20

Not everybody wants to see you succeed and there's a lot of, there's a lot of people kind of waiting to, to watch you stumble and identifying that.

Meg Jacoby: 00:35:33

And those people has been really important for me.

Steve Campbell: 00:35:37

And it, it kind of feels like when you do succeed, it's the same crowd that comes out and goes, we knew she always had it.

Meg Jacoby: 00:35:43

Yeah, that's a very true quote.

Steve Campbell: 00:35:45

And I think.

Steve Campbell: 00:35:46

I think.

Steve Campbell: 00:35:47

I think what's hard is when you have a big vision on your life, whatever it may be training for me, my heart is encouragement.

Steve Campbell: 00:35:52

If you.

Steve Campbell: 00:35:53

If you would have asked me a decade or 12 years ago, do you ever think you'd be podcasting and interviewing a Meg Jacoby or this person or that person, I would have said no.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:01

Like, what's a podcast to now?

Steve Campbell: 00:36:04

Like, even in my world, it's not that people are being mean or negative.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:09

I've realized that as I've grown and matured, I really struggle with.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:14

That's not how I would have responded.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:16

Or I'm so interested in other people and championing them.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:20

And so you'll find me at a dinner date or a party or whatever.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:24

I'll go up to every person and be like, hey, man, what are you working on?

Steve Campbell: 00:36:27

And as people talk, I'm like, that's awesome.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:29

Like, did you also.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:30

And it's like, it's a mini podcast.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:32

That's just the way that I am.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:34

So then I stand there and.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:35

Not that I want to, like, regurgitate all the things that I'm doing, but you're, like, waiting for them to be like, steve, what.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:41

What are you doing these days?

Steve Campbell: 00:36:42

And you're just like, okay, so there's no questions coming back at me, okay, well, I'll just go sew into another person.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:48

And it can feel very lonely at the top.

Steve Campbell: 00:36:52

When one you might feel like, is anyone even paying attention to what I'm doing?

Steve Campbell: 00:36:57

And sometimes I have more connections now with people I've never met than even people I grew up with or family members that are like, are you still doing the podcasting thing?

Steve Campbell: 00:37:06

And it's like, yeah, it's not a thing.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:08

Like, this is actually my heart, and I'm.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:10

There's some pretty cool people on.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:12

And sometimes I schedule people and I wait patiently to make sure that it's actually going to be recorded because I want to scream from the mountaintop.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:19

Like, this was freaking amazing.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:20

I got to sit with so and so musicians that I've always listened to that give me space and time and sign on.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:27

But I think what's been, you know, hard for me in my journey is you have a situation that isn't going right in your heart's disposition would be to respond in one way and somebody doesn't show you that grace or extend it towards you.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:39

I wouldn't say that I have a unhealthy People pleasing.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:42

But I care what people think about.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:45

And so I think it's hard sometimes when you're trying to build something like you are, and there's people that whether they're overtly sabotaging what you're doing or behind the scenes or whispering.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:56

I think there is a balance, though.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:57

And I'm curious as to what your experience has been.

Steve Campbell: 00:37:59

This idea of boundaries.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:00

I talked about this actually with my buddy Peter in one of my first few episodes because he does a lot of counseling.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:06

I think there, you know, boundaries is kind of one of those things that can be really misused.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:12

That seems healthy on the surface, to the point that I've seen that people will say I set up boundaries against people that aren't serving the purpose in my life.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:22

And I think that there's time and space for that.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:24

But I also think that there's times that when people don't know that you're setting up a boundary, having a conversation with them and giving them the space to understand what's important to you.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:35

So if you have well meaning family members that say, like Meg, you should be focused on being a mom and don't forget to have life balance, I think it's because people genuinely care.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:44

But if you hear that and immediately go in your heart and say, I have a boundary, I'm not going to talk to them anymore, and they don't understand that, then you're not giving people the atmosphere or the space to say, like, I'm so sorry, I didn't realize that that bothered you.

Steve Campbell: 00:38:58

And if they really are for you, they'll work on it.

Steve Campbell: 00:39:01

And so has there been in your journey people that as you've maybe set up a boundary, but it led to a healthy conversation, like it actually made a conversation strong, a relationship stronger, or has it just every boundary has kind of led to a separation?

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Meg Jacoby: 00:40:37

No, definitely.

Meg Jacoby: 00:40:38

I think learning that not everyone is also going to understand what I'm doing and even the sport, like a lot of people don't know what my sport even is.

Meg Jacoby: 00:40:53

So it's very, sometimes it can seem confusing to people on the outside who don't really grasp, you know what, how big it actually is especially and I remember it's interesting because I think my family has always been huge supporters of me with my journey and my athletic journey and I think without family or parent support in that at an early age you wouldn't get to this level.

Meg Jacoby: 00:41:26

I think that's a huge component of it.

Meg Jacoby: 00:41:29

But even like, like getting them to fully understand, okay, well I have to travel because I have to go do this.

Meg Jacoby: 00:41:38

And there's, there's a lot of, when you're in, especially in amateur sports, there's a lot of influencer type duties that you have.

Meg Jacoby: 00:41:46

I have to post X times per month for each sponsor.

Meg Jacoby: 00:41:49

I have to show up to you.

Meg Jacoby: 00:41:50

I've in person appearances, I have photo shoots sometimes depending on what the, you know, the brand is.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:00

And so they don't really always understand that like me being at an event in racing, that's part of my job but the other part of my job is also being there and being in the community and being physically present and visibly present.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:17

And I have this interview and I have this meeting and I have all of these things contribute to the business side of the sport and my vision for myself in the business side will continue for many years.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:32

I Have so many things I want to do aside from competing, but that competing has helped open doors for.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:40

And getting everyone else around you to kind of understand that that is.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:44

That was really hard at first.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:46

And they were like, why are you, like, why is this guy following you around all day?

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:50

You know, and you're trying to make like a YouTube video or a whatever.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:53

And especially in the 600, that is very unheard of.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:57

There are not any.

Meg Jacoby: 00:42:58

There's no influencers here doing.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:00

So I'm like the only person kind of doing this.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:04

And.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:05

But at the same time, someone not understanding is different from someone being negative about it, right?

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:12

Not full comprehension doesn't mean they're not supportive.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:15

So understanding the difference between those two things has been very big for me because I don't need you to necessarily understand what I'm doing.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:23

I just need you to be like, hey, that's great.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:25

Keep going.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:27

Whatever that means.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:28

Right?

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:29

I think for people, you need to realize if it's a pattern or not.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:34

And that was one thing that I had kind of realized with some people in my life that I have inevitably cut out was there was a pattern of behavior over a long period of time.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:44

You know what I mean?

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:45

Not like a week or a month.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:47

It was like a full year that I gave people opportunities to kind of show, you know, I didn't just cut people out out of nowhere.

Meg Jacoby: 00:43:56

But when it becomes repeated offenses and the way I feel when I'm around these people or on.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:03

When I leave after being around these people is negative, that's when I have to start kind of thinking about what.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:12

What is this relationship doing for me in my life?

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:16

If I'm always feeling bad around these people or I don't like who I am when I'm with them or the way that they speak to me or about me, like, then that's when you have to really evaluate.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:33

And it's not.

Steve Campbell: 00:44:33

It's.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:34

It's hard.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:35

It feels like a loss.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:36

And that's one thing I would say that I've learned is not everybody is supposed to be on the journey with you forever.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:43

You know, when you're on a train, there's a lot of stops, and sometimes it's someone's stop to get off the train.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:49

And that's hard because it can feel like loss.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:52

But, you know, not everybody is meant to be on the journey with you forever.

Meg Jacoby: 00:44:58

And so I've accepted that as well.

Meg Jacoby: 00:45:00

Like, this is just as just their time to be.

Meg Jacoby: 00:45:03

This is their stop.

Meg Jacoby: 00:45:04

It's time to get off.

Meg Jacoby: 00:45:06

And that's okay.

Meg Jacoby: 00:45:07

You know, and that's helped me a lot, too.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:10

Yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:10

And I don't even get the sense that it's malicious.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:13

And, you know, I think sometimes as you reminisce and you think back on your life, friends that were there for a season of life, that that is okay.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:20

And so maybe just to give, you know, a little bit of insight to a listener who's thinking about people right now, if I.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:26

If you close your eyes and thought about the people in your life that maybe aren't quite the relationships or are the relationships you need to reignite because they made you feel good at one time, how do you begin to resurrect those and handle those?

Steve Campbell: 00:45:38

And, you know, I think.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:39

Think you probably have this crazy adrenaline feel good when you win these competitions on a world.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:46

On a world stage.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:47

What.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:47

What can take away from that is sometimes the people closest to us.

Steve Campbell: 00:45:51

That when you're not on the stage and they talk to you, it's like you can be crazy successful, and there are just certain people in your life that their voice is very loud for some reason, and it's diminishing.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:04

And even though you are a world champ camp, it could be a.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:06

I'm not saying it's your mom or a close friend, but when they speak, it's almost like, what.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:12

Like, why do you make me feel this way?

Steve Campbell: 00:46:14

And not that it erases all of this success.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:17

And so, you know, I know we have just a few minutes here, and you've been super helpful.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:21

And as I told you, coming onto the show, I think you'll be continuing to do plenty of podcasts talking about high rocks and fitness, but I wanted to also give space to just talk about the things you don't always get.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:31

Get to talk about.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:32

And so I think to cover the.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:34

The, you know, total landscape of being a single mom.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:38

Kudos to you for still chasing your dreams.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:41

I think also the fact that this happened after 30.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:44

How many people are out there that are feeling like they didn't quite hit the mark after college, and they don't know what they're doing, and they're just kind of existing folks.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:54

Life is far too short.

Meg Jacoby: 00:46:55

Life, way too short.

Steve Campbell: 00:46:56

Life comes and goes, and you have every opportunity with every day with breath in your lungs to rewrite your story.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:02

But what I think I've heard from you is you can't force what's coming down the road, but you can position yourself and do the things you need to do.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:11

And so I think you're an inspiration to so many.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:14

And if you know Meg has inspired you.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:16

Drop a comment on YouTube or on this.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:18

Leave a review of this episode, and I'd love to share those comments with her.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:23

But I hope to have you back, because one of my visions, and I want to talk to you about this too, is I'm developing what are called world, you know, these master classes.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:31

And I'd love to bring previous guests that have been on the show together for virtual workshops to continue the conversation.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:37

And I think doing one around health and fitness would be great with you because not many people get access to an individual like you.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:44

And so I'm always.

Steve Campbell: 00:47:45

I'm always thinking about, like, how can I do more?

Steve Campbell: 00:47:48

I don't want to just have a conversation with a super inspirational person, and it's me to them, but how can I open the network to people that need hope and inspiration?

Steve Campbell: 00:47:56

And so many of us that are in the grind need some hope and inspiration.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:01

And, you know, we may never be a High Rocks champion, but you've talked about relationships, you've talked about mindsets, you've talked about pushing yourself and, you know, making sure that you are having the people around you that understand what's important to you.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:15

And, you know, all of that is going to resonate with people.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:18

So I.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:19

I just appreciate you being on this One Big Thing podcast.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:21

We'll put information in the show notes in case anybody wants to follow your journey or get in touch with you.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:27

But thank you for being my guest.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:29

Thank you for being so true.

Meg Jacoby: 00:48:30

Thanks for having me.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:31

I just appreciate you being on the podcast with me.

Meg Jacoby: 00:48:34

Yeah, thanks.

Meg Jacoby: 00:48:35

Nice to connect with locals, other locals.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:39

Let's go.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:40

607.

Meg Jacoby: 00:48:40

Yeah.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:41

Thanks, guys.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:43

What a great conversation with Meg Jacoby.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:45

How much fun was she?

Steve Campbell: 00:48:47

Again, appreciate you guys stopping by the One Big Thing.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:50

I really want this show to become a platform that can inspire and encourage you.

Steve Campbell: 00:48:54

You, obviously, we heard a lot through Meg, through her journey, that her life in this high rock space really didn't happen until she was in her 30s.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:01

Now, I'm not saying everybody out there should go out and quit their job and try to become a world athlete.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:06

That was Meg's story.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:07

I guess my question to you is, what is your story?

Steve Campbell: 00:49:10

What is it that's left that you still need to figure out in your life to pen the story that you were always meant to live?

Steve Campbell: 00:49:16

That could be very different for you.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:17

As it is for me.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:18

I've used podcasting as an outlet to connect with people.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:22

Never would have thought I would have been doing this, but take some time.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:25

Really think about the things that align your passions with your purpose.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:29

And if that is something like Hyrox or something different or hey folks, there's no shame in being a parent.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:35

If you're a mom or your dad, your kids are your greatest investment in your life.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:38

But I hope that this conversation inspired you.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:41

And I always say at the end here, I hope you will check out other guests of the One Big Thing that you'll stay around, that you'll subscribe to the podcast that you'll leave a review of this experience today with Meg.

Steve Campbell: 00:49:51

And if there are topics that are near and dear to your heart or individuals like Meg, whatever space they're in, athletes, business owners, influencers that you want to hear from, get in contact with me.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:01

You can head over to www.nqrmedia.com backslash1bigthing.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:07

That's nqrmedia.com backslason1bigthing.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:09

That is my dedicated page.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:11

Send me a note.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:12

Send me an email.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:13

Say, Steve, I'd love to hear about XYZ what, whatever it may be in this person and this topic.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:17

And I have zero shame.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:18

I'll reach out to them.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:19

But I appreciate all of you taking this journey with me on the One Big Thing.

Steve Campbell: 00:50:22

Again, I hope to help you move the ball forward and thanks for being my guest.