Shownotes
Roy Harrell joins State of the Second to talk about taking over his late brother Paul Harrell's firearms YouTube channel and keeping its practical, no-hype approach alive. Roy has been a cop for 37 years, started his law enforcement career in 1988 carrying a revolver, and has done hunter safety and firearms instructing, the same work his and Paul's father did. When Paul got sick, the brothers talked about the future of the channel and Paul asked Roy to take it over. They spent the next nine months before Paul passed working on videos together, with Paul giving pointers along the way. Roy is candid that being in front of the camera is intimidating, that it is not a one-take job, and that he doesn't write out full scripts the way Paul could, so the crew now films shorter monologues to keep takes manageable.
Roy lays out how he picks video ideas. He checks whether Paul already covered a topic, then puts his own spin on it, and he pulls heavily from viewer comments and emails. The channel aims at the common man rather than the latest black guns, new Staccatos, or every AR platform. That means older firearms, ammo comparisons, and lower-recoil calibers like the .32, .22, and .25 that older shooters and people with arthritic hands keep asking about. Roy walks through a recent video on transitioning from a long gun to a handgun for someone who isn't in full battle-belt defense mode, and he shares his interest in historic law enforcement events like the Newhall shootout and old 1960s and 70s police training films. He brings a long firsthand view of the field, from the switch from revolvers to Glocks to carrying an M16A1 in Marine Corps boot camp.
The soapbox segment turns to Oregon. Roy explains that 114, which would ban magazines over 10 rounds and require a permit and a class to buy a firearm, is sitting with the Oregon Supreme Court, and that the legislature is already writing new laws to keep the fight going. He wants to see the data behind the claim that a 10-round limit saves lives, points out there is no exception for someone with his age and experience to skip the class, and warns the rules would flood sheriff's offices and could put small gun stores out of business during a long pause in sales. He ties the shift to the greater Portland metro area outvoting the rest of the state and points listeners to groups like the Oregon Firearms Coalition. Roy closes on review integrity. Paul never took sponsors, and Roy is entering that world carefully, giving honest reviews even when a product fails. You can find the channel on Instagram and Facebook under Harrell Brothers in Arms, still listed under Paul as a nod to him.
Questions this episode answers
How did Roy Harrell end up taking over Paul Harrell's firearms YouTube channel?
When his brother Paul got sick, the two discussed the channel's future and Paul asked Roy to take it over. They worked on videos together for the nine months before Paul passed, with Paul giving him pointers along the way.
What is it like for Roy to go from behind the camera to in front of it?
Roy is candid that being on camera is intimidating and not a one-take job. Unlike Paul, he doesn't write out full scripts, so the crew now films shorter monologues to keep the takes manageable.
How does Roy decide what videos to make, and how does he handle topics Paul already covered?
Roy checks whether Paul already covered a topic, then puts his own spin on it. He pulls his ideas heavily from viewer comments and emails.
Why does the channel focus on older firearms and lower-recoil calibers instead of the latest AR platforms?
The channel aims at the common man rather than the newest black guns or AR platforms. That means older firearms, ammo comparisons, and lower-recoil calibers like the .32, .22, and .25 that older shooters and people with arthritic hands keep asking about.
What is Oregon's Measure 114 and where does it stand legally?
Measure 114 would ban magazines over 10 rounds and require a permit and a class to buy a firearm. Roy says it is sitting with the Oregon Supreme Court while the legislature already writes new laws to keep the fight going.
Why does Roy believe the permit and magazine law would hurt sheriff's offices and small gun stores?
Roy warns the permit requirement would flood sheriff's offices and that a long pause in sales could put small gun stores out of business. He also wants to see the data behind the claim that a 10-round limit saves lives and notes there is no exception for someone with his age and experience to skip the class.
How does Roy handle reviews when a product doesn't meet its claims, and why does sponsorship integrity matter to him?
Roy gives honest reviews even when a product fails. Paul never took sponsors, so Roy is entering that world carefully to protect the channel's integrity.
Where can listeners find Roy and the channel?
The channel is on Instagram and Facebook under Harrell Brothers in Arms. It is still listed under Paul Harrell's name as a nod to him.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Intro: Roy Harrell, the man behind the camera
- 00:41 — Roy's backstory and how he took over the channel
- 02:05 — Stepping in front of the camera
- 04:53 — Growing up around firearms and a love of teaching
- 07:13 — How Roy comes up with video ideas
- 09:09 — Serving the common man, not the black guns
- 10:18 — Transitioning from long gun to handgun
- 11:58 — The interest in .22, .25, and .32 calibers
- 15:01 — Historic shootouts and old police training films
- 19:43 — Living through the shift from revolvers to Glocks
- 21:04 — Revolvers, capacity, and how much ammo you really need
- 24:35 — Soapbox: Oregon's 114
- 32:54 — How Oregon got here and how to push back
- 34:50 — Honest reviews and entering the sponsor world
- 40:02 — Where to find the channel and closing
About the guest
Roy Harrell is the brother of the late Paul Harrell and the person who now runs Paul's firearms YouTube channel, which he took over at Paul's request after Paul got sick. He has been a law enforcement officer for 37 years, starting in 1988 carrying a revolver, and the host introduces him as a former deputy sheriff. He is a longtime hunter safety and firearms instructor, the same work his and Paul's father did. He went through Marine Corps boot camp with an M16A1 and served as active duty Air Force, including time in Honduras. He has lived in Oregon his entire life. The channel can be found on Instagram and Facebook under Harrell Brothers in Arms and is still listed under Paul Harrell's name as a nod to him.
Key quotes
"And he basically said, why don't you take over the channel?" — Roy Harrell
"Just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong, you know." — Roy Harrell
"We give honest reviews on the things we evaluate" — Roy Harrell
"I would love to see their data on where they say those are saving lives." — Roy Harrell
"We are very delicately entering that world because we want to keep our integrity." — Roy Harrell
"They're all really good. And then it's a matter of finding what fits you the best and your needs the best." — Roy Harrell
Transcripts
Welcome to the State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:My name is John and today we're joined by Roy Harrell, the man behind the camera.
Speaker A:During the rise of Paul Harrell's channel, Roy helped his brother Paul set the tone and style for one of his most iconic firearms YouTube channels.
Speaker A:After Paul's passing, Roy, in respect to Paul's wishes, took over the channel and has continued to grow the channel and brand in his own right.
Speaker A:In honor of Paul, Roy is a longtime firearms and hunting safety instructor and former deputy sheriff.
Speaker A:Roy, thank you for joining us today.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:It's an honor.
Speaker A:So tell me a little bit of backstory about you and the backstory about how you got involved with the channel and how you're now continuing the legacy.
Speaker B:Oh, my backstory is not that interesting.
Speaker B:So I've been a cop, you know, the last 37 years now, plus, and in that role I've done, you know, outside of law enforcement, I've done hunter safety instructing.
Speaker B:Our, my, Paul's and my father did that.
Speaker B:So I've done hunter safety instructing.
Speaker B:We've done firearms instructing and so on.
Speaker B:We've always had an interest in that so that, you know, and through my career I've been, I've taken various firearms classes and, you know, instructor classes and so on.
Speaker B:As far as backstory with Paul, other than being his brother, I would help him out.
Speaker B:We talked about ideas he'd help.
Speaker B:He'd come to me if he had questions like, what is the procedure of this or that or you know, for technical advice regarding law enforcement.
Speaker B:And then when he got sick, and I'm well beyond, should be the end of my career at this point, but when he got sick, he basically said, you know, we were talking about what's going to happen with the channel.
Speaker B:And he basically said, why don't you take over the channel?
Speaker B:So then for the next nine months we got, before he passed, we worked on various videos together and that, that was it.
Speaker B:We, you know, he would give me pointers and say, this is what you need to do and so on.
Speaker B:And so here we are.
Speaker A:So how are, how is your experience being in front of the camera and, and doing all the, the talking now over being kind of behind that camera roll?
Speaker B:Well, as you know, being in front of the camera is intimidating.
Speaker B:It at least, you know, you stumble over your words and you have to take several cuts and it's just a different world.
Speaker B:And you know, we, we put out some videos recently or maybe on Patreon, but of behind the scenes stuff where people get the idea of, you know, it's not a one take deal obviously.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And you have to do some acting, which I'm struggling with doing and not just being myself but anyway, I mean it's a totally different world being in front of the camera and having to come up with the ideas for the videos and making sure they go off well and everything else.
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Speaker A:I love that you, you brought up the fact that, you know, it's not a one take thing.
Speaker A:A lot of people think it's like, oh, I get in front of the camera and stuff.
Speaker A:But once you get in front of it, sometimes you get a little nervous and words get tied up.
Speaker A:I mean we started this podcast off with me twisted my tongue a couple times.
Speaker A:But how have you kind of been getting over that and getting into the role that you're trying to fill?
Speaker B:Well, I've always liked teaching and instructing.
Speaker B:So if I remember that's what I'm doing, it helps me, it helps that I'm talking to the, the camera if I remember that.
Speaker B:And that's my audience.
Speaker B:So I don't write out a script necessarily, which at times gives us issues because Paul had the ability to remember his script and he could say the same thing within a word of two, 10 times in a row and 20 minutes long.
Speaker B:That's not me.
Speaker B:So everyone's, well, I'll give a really good take and then blow it at the end of the.
Speaker B:And then have to remember what I said.
Speaker B:But you know, it just takes getting used to.
Speaker B:And what we have found really is make shorter monologues so you don't have to lose the whole thing when you, when you get to that point.
Speaker A:Yeah, and I kind of want to touch on your.
Speaker A:So you, you're, you're, you talked about how your dad was a fire into firearms that you in hunting safety instructor, your deputy sheriff's you know, was this just a natural thing for you growing up that firearms were just around and you were doing, or is this something that you've kind of grown into and you found a passion and love for?
Speaker B:Well, it.
Speaker B:It's a natural thing.
Speaker B:So Paul and I have been around firearms since, you know, we were kids.
Speaker B:My dad had firearms.
Speaker B:He did hunting, just normal hunting, like deer hunting, upland game, you know.
Speaker B:I mean, he's never, you know, he's not going to Alaska and, you know, Africa and all that crap.
Speaker B:He's just like everybody else out there in America, you know, going out the back door and trying to find a deer.
Speaker B:But he had a love for older firearms, especially in fine firearms.
Speaker B:So we learned, you know, about older stuff, to be honest with you.
Speaker B:We had.
Speaker B:And it was a different era.
Speaker B:So, you know, basically the house rule was when we got old enough, obviously, but, you know, you can just let me know, you're taking my firearm.
Speaker B:You want something in the gun cabinet, just you guys take it, you go.
Speaker B:People would be shocked at the freedom we had when we were 16 and 14 years old.
Speaker B:And I could drive, and we put firearms in the truck and we'd drive up to the hills and we'd go do our thing.
Speaker B:And, you know, most people don't get that ability nowadays.
Speaker B:So anyway, I mean, so we grew up in that hunting, playing around firearms.
Speaker B:We went in the military, and then the career is something I wanted to do since I knew what I wanted to do in life, which was, you know, like five years old and then that.
Speaker B:So Paul was in the.
Speaker B:The military, his career, and he was a given a lot of opportunities to be a firearms instructor.
Speaker B:I've been in and out of firearms instructing within my career recently.
Speaker B:I'm, you know, I can check the boxes on a few different things as far as firearms instructing, but it, you know, so it was a transition then.
Speaker B:It's just our love for firearms in general, my love for teaching.
Speaker B:So I found over the years that I. I really love teaching, sharing my knowledge, that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:No, I. I love that.
Speaker A:And I want to dive into the channel itself with you behind the.
Speaker A:Or in front of the camera and talk about what goes into coming up with the video.
Speaker A:The idea.
Speaker A:Is it something you're just like, I wake up one morning and go, hey, I want to do a video about this?
Speaker A:Or I want to do a video about that?
Speaker A:Or is it like, hey, I got to think this through a little bit?
Speaker A:Because I've done videos where I'm like, you know, What I'm going to do that right now and get it done.
Speaker A:And you sit there and you got to contemplate everything.
Speaker A:So how, what is your thought process going through and trying to figure out what your audience wants and what you want to do and have fun with it at the same time?
Speaker B:Well, my thought process usually is, hey, we should do a video on this and then try to put those things together.
Speaker B:Now I have to contrast that with was, has Paul done a video on this already?
Speaker B:And how do I incorporate that so to tell on myself?
Speaker B:And a lot of ideas come from comments, emails, things like that from our viewers or subscribers.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So somebody wanted the.32 H&R Magnum compared to.32 auto and some other stuff.
Speaker B:So I went out, I bought a snub nose Smith and Wesson revolver, I got the ammo, I was doing some inventory the other day and realized Paul's already done this video.
Speaker B:He went out, bought a Ruger.327 Federal, so, you know, which would shoot all those rounds.
Speaker B:And he did a video on it.
Speaker B:And I went, yeah, he.
Speaker B:So now I need to watch that video, tweak it differently, right?
Speaker B:Because he's gonna, I can't repeat just the same video.
Speaker B:So I've gotta give my take on it.
Speaker B:And that's, you know, we, that's how I come up with some videos.
Speaker B:It's, you know, is through fans or hey, this would be fun to know or, you know, what have we not done that not everybody else is doing?
Speaker B:Which is why on our channel we're doing not, you know, we're not shooting black guns, you know, so to speak.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, we're not shooting brand new staccatos and every AR platform.
Speaker B:We're shooting other things.
Speaker A:And that's what I love about your channel is that you, you cover some of the older stuff.
Speaker A:You're looking at ammo testing, different calibers, things like that.
Speaker A:And there is a huge library.
Speaker A:And you brought it up like, you got to remember what this and how to tweak that.
Speaker A:You know, when it comes to things like that and coming up with new ideas, it can be a daunting task.
Speaker A:So it's there like if we, if you're going to like gear evaluation or even talking about some older guns, you know, is that something that you're looking into, trying to look at some older stuff, things that people may be finding interesting as time goes on?
Speaker B:Yeah, so we try to hit the common man, so to speak.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Meaning you got a pump action shotgun.
Speaker B:How do you make it A good gun to hunt with and defend your house or what can you do to it that isn't going to break the bank, those kind of things.
Speaker B:So recently I did a video on transitioning from a long gun to your handgun.
Speaker B:Well, in that I use a.375 H&H bolt action rifle and I used a lever gun.
Speaker B:I used an ar, of course, or AR platform.
Speaker B:So, you know, everybody else out there has already shown how to go from an AR to your handgun.
Speaker B:So I tweaked it on.
Speaker B:Why would you, why would a person that's not wearing their battle belt in, in, you know, in defense mode, why would this be a good skill for you?
Speaker B:Right, So I, you know, I tweaked it that way basically.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and that's things that people don't think about because, you know, you're not always going to be hunting or doing something with your ar.
Speaker A:You may be out.
Speaker A:The bolt action, for example, you may be out, especially where you guys are at.
Speaker A:You may be out hunting a deer and you got transition to your sidearm because there's a bear or a mountain lion or something, a predatory getting at you and you've already fired your shot.
Speaker A:And that, that is what I love about the content you put out because it's, it's different.
Speaker A:It's asking questions, answering questions that people don't always think about.
Speaker B:I hope so.
Speaker B:That, I mean, we're trying to put our own spin on popular topics, right?
Speaker B:And transitioning is one of those popular topics.
Speaker B:What do you carry for personal defense?
Speaker B:How do you defeat.
Speaker B:You know, you want to carry this snub nose revolver, but you don't like it in.38 or 357.
Speaker B:So you know, which brings up the 32 thing.
Speaker B:But you know, trying to address what people are wondering about.
Speaker B:We get a lot, you know, recently it's been on 22 vs 25 vs 32 autos, things like that or new.
Speaker B:You know, I'm kind of, I will admit I'm kind of behind the curve on the latest ammo that comes out.
Speaker B:But you know, people will ask, what is this 22 long rifle round do versus this one?
Speaker B:So yeah, that's what we try to do is keep it prevalent, you know, up to date at the same time is how do I make what I have worked.
Speaker A:So you brought up 22, 25, 32.
Speaker A:Are we seeing like a resurgence in those calibers or is it just like something people are just really interested in right now?
Speaker B:It's a, it's a little Bit of both.
Speaker B:But people are really interested in less recoil for older people, arthritic hand people, those kind of things.
Speaker B:So you know, that's why the 32, they want the biggest thing get with the least amount of recoil.
Speaker B:25 Has made a big comeback from the 70s when nothing but crap guns were being put out because you know, now we're making good guns in it, but it's still 25 auto.
Speaker B:But the 32 is gaining a little bit of ground.
Speaker B:Especially you get six shots.
Speaker B:For the people that love revolvers, you get a six shot revolver versus five and those same little J frame snubbies.
Speaker B:So you know it, they're just looking for something that gives them enough power but not the same amount of recoil.
Speaker A:No, I agree.
Speaker A:Do you see, you brought up that.
Speaker A:Do you see other trends that are kind of, you know, in that same focus where it's, it's people looking for lower recoil guns or is it people looking for capacity and recoil?
Speaker A:Is there anything that people are sending to you and like hey, I want to see a video because I'm looking for xyz.
Speaker B:They do.
Speaker B:One was on an air gun out of Europe that when I looked at how much it was they make a 30 caliber or yes, a 30 caliber air gun.
Speaker B:I can't remember the brand name out of Europe.
Speaker B:And it was $2,000.
Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker B:And I was telling a friend earlier I could, I can buy, I can buy a suppressor, put it on 300 blackout and have less than $2,000 and pull it on a better firearm.
Speaker B:But the amount of rounds people are always, you know, if you can get six is better than five, but, and then those, I, I don't want to say serious but those that, you know, the 9 millimeter subcompact world, you know you're getting 15 round magazines routinely, right.
Speaker B:So you know, there's people that, that's what they, they carry and they're used to it.
Speaker B:There's others that want a true pocket pistol and that's why they're going maybe these, you know, these little snub nose revolvers and, or they're trying to get them for grandma's nightstand which you know, any double action only revolver is not the best choice for that.
Speaker B:But either way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so I want to kind of talk about some other things in the past.
Speaker A:There's been some really historical events that has been touched on on the channel.
Speaker A:Are you going to continue touching on those historical events or things like that as things go on that, those, that things that I find personally interesting?
Speaker A:Is that something you're also looking at, like specific shootouts and things like that.
Speaker B:One we want to do?
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, I would love to do that.
Speaker B:I need to get my crew better, you know, I need to do things like that.
Speaker B:But one that I would love to do, nobody's ever heard of and I think it's a major old, old, old key to law enforcement history.
Speaker B:And that's the new hall incident shootout where four California High Patrol one were killed.
Speaker B:And it was done a thousand years ago.
Speaker B:I mean that, you know, all those people redid it.
Speaker B:But I would put a new modern spin on it.
Speaker B:There's been a couple other ones similar to that that, you know, we'd, we'd like to do some historic stuff.
Speaker B:I'm not going to get into, to be quite honest with you.
Speaker B:I'm not going to get into trying to recreate any of the latest political things like that, you know, and whose sniper bullet did what from where, you know, that it's just not what we're going to get into.
Speaker B:But you know, I, some more historical things it'd be fun to do.
Speaker A:No, and I totally agree with that.
Speaker A:One of the things that make me laugh when watching on the Internet and I, I, I'm going to ask you to maybe touch on them.
Speaker A:You don't have to, but the, the old, the old police training videos.
Speaker A:Have you seen from like the 70s with the shotgun videos and stuff like that?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Those just make me like in today's age rewatching those and going, wow, that's kind of weird.
Speaker A:Is that something that would interest you and you think you find people on the channel who would be interested in that?
Speaker B:I don't know if people would be interested, but it is, it would be fun to do.
Speaker B:I started my career in 88, so, you know, I started with a revolver, let's put it that way.
Speaker B:But, you know, and we carried all of, I carried an extra speed, you know, six rounds on a Bianchi speed strip in my pocket.
Speaker B:So I carried what, you know, three reloads and, you know, the gun full.
Speaker B:But it would be fun because, yes, I've watched some of those videos.
Speaker B:Some are on batons, some are on firearms, some are on.
Speaker B:And they're all concept.
Speaker B:I mean, they're all, you know, contextual meaning.
Speaker B:You got to understand that law enforcement today has a lot more equipment and options than law enforcement in the 60s and 70s.
Speaker B:Did you know they had a stick, a crappy flashlight, a revolver and a set of handcuffs?
Speaker B:You know, I mean, now We've got tasers with, you know, up to 10 shots.
Speaker B:We get, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:But yeah, it'd be fun to do some of those, redo some of those videos or, you know, let me, let me throw a fun thing out there.
Speaker B:So Adam 12 was a big show in the 70s.
Speaker B:Adam 12 is based out of LAPD.
Speaker B:They had technical advisors, actually knew what they were doing.
Speaker B:Something you don't see most law enforcement do now was, I mean, is transition like going around corners?
Speaker B:We do almost everything.
Speaker B:Unless somebody forces to with our dominant hand or our strong hand side, we don't transition and shoot.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:In one of the episodes, oh, Reed jumps out of the car with the 12 gauge and as he's running up to the corner, he switches it from right handed to left handed.
Speaker B:You just don't see.
Speaker B:I mean, we don't even teach that anymore.
Speaker B:But it, I think is a valuable skill.
Speaker B:Paul actually did a video years ago on.
Speaker B:I'd rather have this much of me sticking out than this much.
Speaker B:And guys just don't get it.
Speaker B:As much as we talk about slings, tax slings and switching shoulders, the.
Speaker B:The law enforcement world just doesn't pay attention, to be honest with you.
Speaker B:So it would be fun to redo that video that Paul did and some other things as to why those ancient skills.
Speaker B:Just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong, you know.
Speaker A:No, and I agree.
Speaker A:My favorite one that I watched there was one about shotguns and using the grabbing the shotgun on the out of the cruiser and they were like, okay, in a specific situation, if you aim the shotgun, if they shoot under the car and bounce the rounds off.
Speaker A:And I was just like, why?
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker A:Is that what we're doing?
Speaker A:But I just found them interesting because the old techniques and things, some of watching the transit or the evolution of training from like the 70s and 80s to today, I find those fascinating to me.
Speaker B:I've lived most of that transition in training.
Speaker B:I've lived, I mean, I can tell you, you know, at least in Oregon and from what I paid attention to when the world switched from revolvers to Glocks, mostly why they went with Glocks, at least my personal opinion, you know, and some of the things we were hearing, you know, back in 90, whatever it was.
Speaker B:So, you know, I mean, it's.
Speaker B:I have a uniqueness and I think trying to sell myself, brag a little bit, I have that uniqueness of I've got a long history in this, you know, and I can tell you why we did certain things.
Speaker B:Hell, when I went through Marine Corps boot camp, we had an M16A1.
Speaker B:I mean that was the state of the art firearm.
Speaker B:Not an M4, not an A4, not A.
Speaker B:You know, at one point when I was, I was active duty Air Force and we were down in, down in Honduras on a big thing and we took out of the Cosmoline M16s because the air Force never used them.
Speaker B:Not, I mean no forward assist on it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So, you know, I've used some of those things.
Speaker B:I was never in combat.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not.
Speaker B:That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker B:But you know, I, I've used those things.
Speaker B:I've been around and watched those changes, you know, so there's a, a little bit of change to history, et cetera.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:Well, I've got.
Speaker A:Since you were through a lot of the changes and revolutions of things and, and I know law enforcement will never go back to them, but we're seeing a resurgence of revolvers.
Speaker A:What is your opinion on that?
Speaker A:We're seeing like a lot of new revolver tech come out.
Speaker A:A lot of people coming out with new revolvers with optics cuts and things like that.
Speaker A:Do you have an opinion on that?
Speaker B:Well, I mean to be honest with you, one of the.
Speaker B:I've been drooling over getting one of the TRR8 from Smith and Wesson because I'm a Smith fan.
Speaker B:But the 8 shot 44 mag.
Speaker B:Frame 3, 5 inch barrel.357, put an optic on it, make it all cool.
Speaker B:That's never going to be the optimum combat self defense firearm.
Speaker B:I mean it just isn't.
Speaker B:You can reload 10, 15, whatever your magazine is in a split second.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That being said, I love revolvers.
Speaker B:I would never feel under gunned carrying a revolver.
Speaker B:You know you, and you know you, you practice with them, you get the, you know, you get down to how to reload it and everything.
Speaker B:You can be fairly quick.
Speaker B:Not as quick as you will with a semi auto.
Speaker B:At the same time, you know, I don't think that you probably let me.
Speaker B:I was going to say something wrong or come out wrong.
Speaker B:I like high capacity.
Speaker B:I like the.
Speaker B:I know those are bad words, but I like having those rounds.
Speaker B:I like having you know, 30 more on my hip.
Speaker B:All those things.
Speaker B:I don't think 31.
Speaker B:I'm not, you know, at some point I draw the limit of do I really need a 30 round handgun magazine on my belt?
Speaker B:You know, so, or, or five magazines because the in the world of law enforcement, shootings etc, and there was a terrible one here in Oregon a number of years ago.
Speaker B:The law, the officer who was just shooting for his life because he'd been hit and he's down on the ground and he still didn't run out of ammo with three 15 round magazines.
Speaker B:So personally the, the stats don't show that cops need to carry four or five magazines on them.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:We all think the world's bad, you know and, and I'm sure that in some places or if you're the only deputy out in the middle of nowhere, you want to have everything you can with you because I sure do.
Speaker B:I, when I was working as a woods deputy I had a 12 gauge shotgun and an AR.
Speaker B:So you know, and as many magazines and a backup gun.
Speaker B:So you know, I get when there aren't people close, you need everything you can get your hands on.
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Speaker A:So we're at the point of the show where we kind of go into what we call from the soapbox.
Speaker A:That's where we give a spicy take about, you know, frustrations, gripes, anything like that.
Speaker A:So do you have any frustrations or gripes with the industry, politics, policy, anything that you want to share with the folks out there and get a little spicy?
Speaker B:Okay, well I've been thinking about this.
Speaker B:So if you may or may not know that Oregon is fighting what they call senate or it's 114 and the Oregon Supreme Court currently has it to tell us whether or not we can ban high capacity magazine or anything over 10 rounds and we need to go get a permit and take a class to obtain a permit just to buy a firearm.
Speaker B:So that law is in front of.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It was voted in a number of years ago.
Speaker B:It's been held up in court cases and stuff.
Speaker B:It's currently sitting with the Oregon Supreme Court for an answer.
Speaker B:I have it on good authority that Oregon legislature has already written and proposed or written at least and going to propose new laws to fight that.
Speaker B:So they've already changed the wording, they've already done some things.
Speaker B:So currently the Oregon legislature is going to continuing on that assault of anything over a ten round magazine.
Speaker B:And I would love to see their data on where they say those are saving lives.
Speaker B:That you know, I, I want to see the data.
Speaker B:What study did you do?
Speaker B:What did you do that says a ten round magazine saves lives versus any other above that number?
Speaker B:You know, that's what they're always saying.
Speaker B:This will, this will save lives.
Speaker B:Show me how and where you determined that.
Speaker B:And then of course having to get a permit to, you know, and, and allow a government agency in Oregon, it's going to be the sheriff's offices that have to put on this training that you have to go to to get a permit.
Speaker B:And there's no exceptions.
Speaker B:They did tweak some things that retired law enforcement will not have to abide by.
Speaker B:Retired and or current law enforcement will not have to abide by the magazine capacity.
Speaker B:That being said, they're already fighting that too.
Speaker B:There's opposition to that and from a greedy standpoint, I'd be great.
Speaker B:But currently if that law went into effect today, there's no exceptions for off duty law enforcement or retired law enforcement for that magazine capacity.
Speaker B:So all these guys, you know, your Glock all of a sudden with your, your subcompact with your 15 round magazine would all sudden be illegal unless you were on a range or on personal property.
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker B:It's just ridiculous.
Speaker B:Yes, it is.
Speaker B:And I know other other states and other, you know, other states there's stuff at the federal level and so on, but Oregon's continuing the fight to, I mean like I said the legislature, people in legislature are already trying to change the words, knowing what the fight has been.
Speaker A:So as a person who grow, grew up in Oregon, has it always been that way to push the anti gun message or is this just new and because certain cities are just trying to run the rest of the state.
Speaker B:It's fairly new, last let's call it eight to 10 years.
Speaker B:And it's because certain cities are trying to run the state.
Speaker B:The greater Portland metro area as a whole has can outvote the entire rest of the state.
Speaker B:And so the people that are anti gun are in the greater Portland metro area as a whole.
Speaker A:So as, as somebody who's pro gun and pushing it and also from your law enforcement background as well, which with what this is sounding like it's going to be a drain on the sheriff's office as resources and making sure this is getting done, which is unfair for them to not have the duty to be able to protect the citizens in that area because of this.
Speaker A:You know, how do you get people involved to push back against this anti gun legislation in the state?
Speaker B:I may get the name wrong but Oregon Firearms Coalition.
Speaker B:There's, there's groups in Oregon that are trying to fight this and, and paying attention just like you guys pay attention to national, you know and everything else.
Speaker B:So there are people out there doing that, getting the word out more so because there's a lot of confusion.
Speaker B:A lot of people are holding, holding out hope that the Supreme Court's going to strike down this law, this one one four permanently.
Speaker B:But they aren't.
Speaker B:They don't know there's more in the works.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean we keep those things so we can slide them in and just pass laws and we don't have opposition until the last minute.
Speaker B:It's, it's going to put a drain on and nothing even when they passed that law nothing was finalized about what does the class have to entail.
Speaker B:You know, they have determined that sheriff's offices are going to have to put on but they, you know, they're going to be flooded and to be honest with you, to you know, there's no exception for a guy that's my age, with my experience to not have to take the stupid class.
Speaker B:So it, you know, it, it's, I don't know if it's a money grab.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's just, it's just ridiculous to be honest with you to you know, as the, the only hope I have for this passing because the Oregon Supreme Court's pretty liberal but one of the questions they asked of the state's attorney was can you name another right that you have to get a permit to exercise.
Speaker B:And of course they couldn't.
Speaker B:So my only hope is that, that they're going to say we can't force somebody to go get special training to exercise a right they have.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's, that's a huge.
Speaker A:That was a fact I was going to bring up in this and I and from Goa's end We are, we do have a person who's in Oregon who fights us.
Speaker A:Definitely make sure if you're in Oregon to contact your, your state senators and lawmakers that you don't want this.
Speaker A:But not having the class in place, not and, and trying to tax a constitutionally given right.
Speaker A:We were just on an episode before this talking about California and the barrier of entry with California.
Speaker A:You know, you're pricing people out of their second amendment right.
Speaker A:You can't do that.
Speaker A:And it's a, it's, there's court cases saying that you can't do that.
Speaker A:And it's, it's sad to see a beautiful state like Oregon turn so far left.
Speaker A:Especially with the wilderness you guys have and the adventures and the hunting culture and things like that that are in Oregon.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, it is, it's, it's terrible to watch that happen all, you know, and just on the political side of it, I would think that, you know, not every hunter is going to come to Oregon.
Speaker B:That there it takes a lot of money to get to Oregon to hunt as an outside resident.
Speaker B:And we have a lot of big game species to hunt.
Speaker B:And you know, I think we have like four or five different deer species.
Speaker B:I mean, you got blacktail, whitetail, mule deer.
Speaker B:So I guess three different deer species, two different elk species.
Speaker B:Anyway, I don't think politically wise, even though a guy's going to be hunting with a normal big game rifle, why would they want to come and give money to a state that is against firearms?
Speaker B:I mean, I think it's going to hurt us all the way around and it's going to put a pause on.
Speaker B:And I'm not sure how they've changed it and tweaked it, but either way, when it finally goes into effect or whatever does, if we have to go get a permit, that's going to take time for people to get those permits, get agencies to get them out.
Speaker B:They're going to be flooded.
Speaker B:And in the meantime, the fear is that the smaller gun stores, those type of places are going to lose tons of business and not be able to recover.
Speaker B:Just like we saw during COVID with, you know, restaurants being shut down from everybody coming in.
Speaker B:So that's one of the fears is we're going to lose businesses that just can't take, take a six month pause to have people come back in the door to, to buy things.
Speaker A:Yeah, and that, and that hurts, I mean, and we've talked about it on here before is that the, the mom and pop businesses, the brick and mortar businesses are the lifeblood of the industry.
Speaker A:And once you get rid of those and we saw it, we've seen it in other places where they start getting rid of the brick and mortar places.
Speaker A:People are not going to have the ability or capability to drive hours on end to go get a firearm.
Speaker A:Not let alone take the class, take the time to take the class, pay the money to get the permit.
Speaker A:It's just, it's utterly ridiculous to me that they think they can just with a stroke of a pen get rid of a constitutionally God given right.
Speaker B:Well, it, yes, is the simple answer to that statement.
Speaker B:It is and it frustrates the ever loving hell out of me know, excuse my language but it does and it the polit.
Speaker B:You know my wife and I have talked about leaving Oregon but the weather and other stuff in, in Oregon compared to insects and snakes and humidity and other parts of this country or snow, Oregon's a pretty nice place weather wise to live, I mean.
Speaker B:And it's a pretty nice place period to live.
Speaker B:And I've lived here all my life and I've been around a few other states so I do know what humidity is and freezing temperatures are.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean that's a frustration we've had.
Speaker B:We've talked about, you know, where could we go that we would have the same similar lifestyle and get away from the constant attack on what we love.
Speaker A:No, you can come down to Phoenix with me.
Speaker A:It's only 120 in dry heat.
Speaker A:We don't have to worry about the human.
Speaker B:Okay, no problem.
Speaker A:We got the snakes though.
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Speaker A:I want to kind of touch on a couple other things that you're.
Speaker A:Since you're doing the YouTube channel now and stuff like that, you know when you were looking at and testing a product and it doesn't meet the claims or things that you, you think it's going to do, how does that make you react?
Speaker A:Is it something where you're like oh, I'm going to get the bash them or is it hey, I want to give them another chance and just think about this outside of the box?
Speaker B:That's a great question.
Speaker B:So Paul never had sponsors.
Speaker B:We are very delicately entering that world because we want to keep our integrity.
Speaker B:The fear is from people out there that if somebody gives me a firearm, so to speak, or is paying me, you know, paying to put videos on just any firearms manufacturer, doesn't matter, but that then I would be a corporate shill.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I would never give them a bad thing.
Speaker B:And we've seen certain magazines and other platforms go that way, so we're, we avoid those things.
Speaker B:Now I did get a firearm sent to me to test and it wouldn't feed the ammo they sent with me.
Speaker B:Specific flat nose round.
Speaker B:And we, we said that.
Speaker B:I mean we give honest reviews on the things we evaluate and you know, and I gave them every opportunity.
Speaker B:I mean I, we change things, we change magazines, but that's part of doing that review.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And if we're going to be honest to the people that don't have the ability and don't want to go spend XYZ dollars and then try to find magazines and everything else, that's part of this loyalty to the fans, you know, come to us.
Speaker B:We will help you make those decisions.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, whether it's with ammo or firearms, either one.
Speaker B:So that's, you know, it gets back to my doing a ammo comparison.
Speaker B:Which one do you want?
Speaker B:32 Smith and or 32 H R Magnum or 327 federal.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, it's just helping people make a better educated decision.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's always the fine line when it comes to getting firearms sent to you for review and things like that.
Speaker A:Because there is that chance someone's going to call you a shill because you're, you're trying to.
Speaker A:Not only there's a small line because you're like, I don't want to make them mad, but also like, if it's bad, it's bad and that's hard.
Speaker A:So when it comes to things like that, when you, when you have issues, do you reach out to the company and be like, hey, there's this issue, see how their customer service is and then talk about it that way or is it just like, hey, you know, listen, your product pooped the bed on the first try and there's really nothing I can do.
Speaker A:We tried all this stuff and tried everything to make it work, but it just didn't.
Speaker B:Well, unfortunately I didn't reach.
Speaker B:I've only had that happen once and that was with that one or specific firearm, but I didn't reach.
Speaker B:I did email them and say, hey, this is what happened.
Speaker B:I didn't do a lot of dealing with them and it was a foreign made firearm that came through a distributor here in the US but it should have been better than it was.
Speaker B:I'm pretty sure now.
Speaker B:And, and a couple of the other crew has that same brand and it, I'm pretty sure it was that specific ammo.
Speaker B:Even though it's, you know, it's being made by somebody, it's a weird enough caliber.
Speaker B:It's only being made by one or two people to be honest with you.
Speaker B:So it was just that bullet design because the firearm works pretty good otherwise.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean I.
Speaker B:The cur.
Speaker B:The nice thing would be to say your product sucked in, you know and here's, here's my results.
Speaker B:So are you sure you want this video out there?
Speaker B:But you know, the other thing is that I'm really picky in and I went to shot show recently and I was trying to talk to some people and you know, basically and I said I would love to get at a really good price so I can say I bought them and you know a really good price your product because I know your product's good.
Speaker B:I've done enough research.
Speaker B:I know it's not going to be crappy and I'm looking for that particular, I mean a firearm like that.
Speaker B:So they're supposed to be contacting me either way.
Speaker B:But I mean that's.
Speaker B:I, I don't really, you know, I, I do enough, a little bit of research up front that I have pretty good idea how it's gonna, you know, how that product's gonna perform.
Speaker B:And in all honesty, I mean fire manufacturers, they have to really be terrible to have something go bad.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, I mean there's, there's all kinds of, you know, the grips isn't this or it's not fast enough for, you know, those kind of things.
Speaker B:But those are, you know, minor complaints about a lot of stuff.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:We're not in a world anymore where firearms, they're being made cheap or you know, the, the materials stink or you know, anything means, you know, it's about six to one half dozen the other.
Speaker B:They're all really good.
Speaker B:And then it's a matter of finding what fits you the best and your needs the best.
Speaker A:I couldn't agree to that more.
Speaker A:Well, we're at the wrap up time so go ahead and tell people where they can find you.
Speaker A:If you have any parting words that you want to give to the folks.
Speaker B:Out there, you can find us on Instagram and Facebook under Harold Brothers in Arms.
Speaker B:And of course you can find us on Facebook.
Speaker B:If you look up Roy Harrell, the channel pops up.
Speaker B:It's still called Paul.
Speaker B:We're doing a little research and marketing or whatever to see if we're going to modify the name, but right now it's still under Paul as a nod to him, of course.
Speaker B:And I can't thank you folks enough for inviting me on.
Speaker B:It's been a.
Speaker B:This is a whirlwind for me and for this channel.
Speaker A:Well, we appreciate you taking the time to be on.
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Speaker B:All right, thanks, Roy.
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