According to a new report, Black women are more than four times more likely to die in pregnancy or childbirth than white women in the UK. Asian women are twice as likely to die. We look at why minority women are not being listened to.

Paul gives Phylecia a quick update on the Coronation - she's not bothered.

Our main topic is the subject of bros - fitness bros in particular, but you can replace 'fitness' with crypto, NFT, entrepreneur if you like, the approach seems to be the same. Phylecia dives into what that is and why it's sometimes problematic.