I’m often asked, “How do you handle it when your husband or your coparent isn't on board?” or, “How do you handle it when you're divorced and you don't know what's going on with the other parent?”
In this first episode of a two-part series, I’ll start answering these questions and share some essential conversations to have with your coparent.
You’ll Learn:
The parenting you're doing is not in vain if your co parent isn't on board. Your child's other parent isn't unraveling all of your hard work. What you are doing is not pointless. You can give your child everything they need to grow into an emotionally healthy adult.
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The real question at the root of these concerns is, “Is my kid going to be okay if my coparent doesn’t practice compassionate parenting?”
There is fear of what will happen in the future if your coparent is harsh, too permissive or just on a different page when it comes to parenting your kid.
But what does it really mean to be okay? The way I think about this in my programs is that we are setting our kids up for success by teaching emotional literacy - knowing what they’re feeling, how to talk about it and what to do with it.
This is the key to raising kids that are confident, self-aware and love themselves.
No matter what happens in your child's life, there's going to be pain and struggle. Things won’t always go their way.
In the long-term, when they know how to process that pain, they can handle anything. You’re giving your kid the resilience that they need for the future.
For our purposes, being on the same page means two things:
For example, compassionate parenting is a philosophy. The Calm Mama Process of calm, connect, limit set, correct is the approach.
A beautiful place to start is by asking your coparent (whether you live with them or not) what they value when it comes to parenting.
You can start the conversation by saying something like, “I'm learning a lot, and I want to make sure that you're on the same page with me. I believe that feelings matter and that it's important for our kids to have a safe place to express those feelings and learn how to deal with them. Do agree?”
I know that you want to have a good relationship with your child, and you want them to have a good relationship with themselves and with the world. You get to decide how you show up. You can put in the work to make sure your relationship is connected and loving.
Your coparent also has a relationship with your kid, and it’s their job to decide how they want that relationship to play out and take action to create the relationship they want.
It is not your responsibility to preserve your child’s relationship with their other parent. Ultimately, your responsibility is only to the emotional health of your child.
If you’re struggling with your coparent, look at where the disagreement is. Is it about the philosophy or the approach?
Maybe you agree on the philosophy, but your coparent struggles to manage their stress and calm themselves. Or they’re avoiding following through on consequences. When you understand where the disconnect is, it is easier to problem solve.
If your coparent is dysregulated and not calm, it might look like being explosive, needlessly critical, aggressive, insulting or using shame for discipline. They might shut down or walk away in steely silence.
This parent is probably overwhelmed and stressed. They’re in their own ego or fear. Maybe they’re scared that their kid is getting away with something or being disrespectful.
I want you to recognize that this parent is dysregulated. It's not that they're a jerk or they don't care. And you won’t be able to support them if you’re coming from a place of judgment and criticism. Compassion for your coparent will help your whole family.
Your responsibility is not to try to change your coparent and their behavior. It is to emotionally coach your kid and help them process what’s going on. There are a few different ways you can do this.
Preventative Conversation. This conversation happens outside of an emotional moment. You’re discussing the pattern that you’ve been seeing and telling your coparent in advance how you will intervene if you see it in the future.
You might say something like, “Hey, I want to talk about this explosive behavior that you do. I understand you get overwhelmed, you get frustrated with the kids, you get angry with them. That makes perfect sense. I do it too. But my goal for this family is that everybody stays safe, and that includes emotionally safe. Dumping your big feelings or blaming the kids or being explosive with them doesn't work. So when I see you acting this way, I'm gonna intervene and ask you to take a break.”
If you have a good relationship with your coparent, you can even come up with a plan for letting each other know when you’re overwhelmed and need to tap out for a minute.
Intervention Conversation. These conversations happen when you are in the middle of an explosive incident. The goal with these interventions is harm reduction.
Option #1: Intervene with your coparent. If they are having an explosive incident, like yelling, shaming, threatening, being physically aggressive, name calling, swearing, insulting your child, etc. I want you to confidently say, “Everyone stays safe here. Your behavior is not working. Please take a break.”
Option #2: Intervene with the child(ren). If asking the other person to take a break will escalate the situation (or if they’re just not able to reset at that moment), you can move your child away. Say, “Daddy/Mommy/whoever is very upset right now. We're gonna let them have a break,” and move the kids into a different room.
Resolution Conversation. Often, the reason events become traumatic is because the person experiencing it doesn’t ever process it with someone else. They personalize it and mull it over. There is no real resolution.
In a resolution conversation, we separate the coparent’s actions from the child. We help the child understand that these behaviors that their parent did are about the parent, not the kid.
Maybe your child acted poorly or made a mistake, but the parent’s reaction was about their feelings and not knowing how to handle them.
Start by narrating what happened. Then, pick one emotion they might have been feeling. Say, “I wonder if you were feeling a little scared?” and give them time to respond. This gives them a place to dump some of those thoughts and feelings so that they don’t internalize it.
If they don’t want to talk much, that’s okay. The goal is really to talk about this incident as a circumstance that they experienced and not let it get mixed up into “I’m a bad kid” type of thinking.
Your child only needs one person in their life to help them learn emotional literacy and grow up to be emotionally healthy.
When you’re coparenting alongside someone who is explosive, overly permissive, harsh or emotionally disconnected, it can be easy to look at how they’re acting and think, “they’re gonna mess up my kid.”
But this thought only creates fear of the future and resentment toward your coparent. Instead, remember that they only need one person to help them understand their inner world.
The parenting you're doing is not in vain because your co parent isn't on board. Your child's other parent isn't unraveling all of your hard work. What you are doing is not pointless.
You are the only person that your child needs in order to become the human that they are meant to be. You are enough. What you're doing is enough. Keep at it. Your kid is going to be okay.
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Welcome back to become a calm mama. I'm your host. I'm
Speaker:A Childress. And today is part
Speaker:of a 2 part series that I'm gonna do on being on the same
Speaker:page with your co parent. This is a question I get
Speaker:often of, like, how do you handle it when your
Speaker:husband or your partner isn't on board? Or how do you
Speaker:handle it when you're divorced and you don't know what's going on with the other
Speaker:parent or they're not aligned with your parenting philosophy?
Speaker:And the question really, I think a all of that
Speaker:is, is my kid gonna be okay if my
Speaker:co parent doesn't practice compassionate parenting?
Speaker:If my co parent is harsh with my kids, if
Speaker:my co parent is too permissive. So the fear
Speaker:under there is really about the future.
Speaker:Like, is my kid gonna be okay even
Speaker:if my partner isn't on the same page?
Speaker:So the quick answer to this is yes.
Speaker:Okay? And the reason why a to
Speaker:get it right up at the beginning of this episode is
Speaker:that when we think about the future and like, is
Speaker:our kid a to be okay? We have to understand what is required
Speaker:of being okay. Like, what does that even mean?
Speaker:So, essentially, what we're looking for is what I
Speaker:think of as emotional health. Right? So that's why a lot of my programs
Speaker:are, like, emotionally healthy kids, emotionally healthy teens. It's
Speaker:really how do we set our kids up for success
Speaker:in their adult life so that they feel good.
Speaker:Right? That they feel confident, that they feel,
Speaker:that they love themselves, that they're they know how to be in a.
Speaker:And all of that requires emotional
Speaker:literacy. And what is emotional literacy? It goes to
Speaker:knowing what I'm feeling, being able to go
Speaker:inside of myself a know, like, if there's a difficult circumstance,
Speaker:I need to have self awareness. If I'm aware of myself, myself, if I'm
Speaker:aware of my feelings a I know what to do with those feelings,
Speaker:then I can kind of handle anything in life. So emotional
Speaker:literacy is I know what I'm feeling. I know how to talk about it, and
Speaker:I know what to do with them. So if you think about
Speaker:any kind of interpersonal relationship issue or
Speaker:inter interpersonal, like within myself, If there's a
Speaker:situation in my life that is difficult, then I'm gonna need
Speaker:to process my emotion about it and talk about it and understand
Speaker:how to move through that feeling and what to do about it,
Speaker:either changing my circumstance or talking to a person or
Speaker:changing the way I think about something. So emotional literacy
Speaker:is the core value that we have
Speaker:in our in this program of how do we help our kids
Speaker:grow up to be okay. So the good news,
Speaker:okay, the best news ever is that you only need
Speaker:a person in your life to help you
Speaker:learn emotional literacy. It's great
Speaker:if you have 2 people, 5 people, a community, a
Speaker:whole society that is literally
Speaker:literate and aware and empathetic and helps people
Speaker:process their negative emotion a when that's what my goal
Speaker:is, is to create a society where we have a bunch of emotionally literate
Speaker:humans. Right? Healing the next generation in advance is my
Speaker:vision. But when you
Speaker:are in your own life with you
Speaker:and your family, and you might have an explosive parent
Speaker:or an overly permissive parent or a harsh parent
Speaker:or emotionally disconnected parent that you are co parenting
Speaker:alongside. And you look at how they're acting with your kid and
Speaker:you're like, wait a second. They are going to mess up my kid.
Speaker:They're gonna unravel all the work I'm doing. They're messing it all
Speaker:up. And that creates fear for the
Speaker:future, and it creates resentment towards your co parent whether
Speaker:you live with them or not. So I want you to have a fear
Speaker:free and resentment free experience of raising kids.
Speaker:So a the way that we overcome that fear and
Speaker:that resentment is by understanding
Speaker:that all my child needs this one, the one that I'm raising,
Speaker:maybe you've got a few, but all that they each need
Speaker:is a person who helps them understand
Speaker:their inner world. One person who helps them
Speaker:narrate and name what's happening for them,
Speaker:one emotional coach. I
Speaker:hope that just hearing that makes you go,
Speaker:like a big exhale because I know what
Speaker:it's like to have a parent, a co parent. My co parent is
Speaker:really great. Kevin and I've been married a long time, and, you know, he's
Speaker:a he's a he's on board. Right? We're on the same page, but we haven't
Speaker:always been. Because I was learning all of these
Speaker:philosophies and how to be compassionate and empathy and growing
Speaker:my own emotional regulation, I was doing that before he was
Speaker:doing it. I kind of brought it into our lives. And
Speaker:so there was a lot of times early on, and even now, for
Speaker:sure, we both lose our shit sometimes with our kids or with our lives.
Speaker:Like, we're not perfect a. But whenever he would
Speaker:act, you know, in his humanness and not be
Speaker:processing his emotion and not regulated, it would
Speaker:freak me out. I would, like, go in and intervene
Speaker:and, you know, run interference and triangulate me and
Speaker:the kids in him and kind of put him into, like, he's the bad guy
Speaker:and I'm the good guy a the kids are the victim of their dad's behavior
Speaker:a all of this cuckoo land stuff that
Speaker:actually prevented Kevin
Speaker:from understanding the impact of his
Speaker:behavior on the kids. When I was always kind of,
Speaker:you know, hyper a and managing everybody and, you
Speaker:know, intervening all the time, a in terms of,
Speaker:like, making sure everything worked well so that Kevin didn't get
Speaker:mad. Okay? Like, a perfectionist
Speaker:perfectionistic way of approaching my family, especially early
Speaker:on. Like, a, I'm on a tangent here. I'm sorry. But
Speaker:literally, like, when they were real little, I would know oh my god. It's
Speaker:embarrassing to say this. But I would know he was coming home, like, at 6:45,
Speaker:7:7:30, whatever. He would text me or we didn't really have text back then, to
Speaker:be honest. He said he'd call me, and he'd say I'm on my way home.
Speaker:And then I would, like, get the kids together. We would, like,
Speaker:clean up the, you know, all the toys, and we would get ourselves settled. And
Speaker:I would, like, regulate the children, make sure they got all their wiggles out, let
Speaker:them know daddy was coming home. And I swear there was this part of me
Speaker:that was like, should I put a ribbon in my hair a, like, a nice
Speaker:dress on, like, a 19 fifties housewife and be ready for my man to come
Speaker:in? Like, ew. But my reason for doing
Speaker:that was fear. I didn't want Kevin
Speaker:to come home and mess up
Speaker:all the good work I had done with the children all day. So I didn't
Speaker:trust him, and I didn't trust the process.
Speaker:What I didn't understand back then that I am teaching you right now,
Speaker:so you don't have to do what I did, is that
Speaker:you don't need to have every moment in every
Speaker:relationship with your children be perfect
Speaker:or be in the model, in the calm mama model
Speaker:in order for it to work. Because when
Speaker:we define work it, like, does it work?
Speaker:All we're talking about is the long term emotional health of our kids.
Speaker:So I wanna get into some practical
Speaker:strategies of how to actually handle an explosive a, how
Speaker:to actually talk about it with your partner or, you know, your co
Speaker:parent if you're not partnered with them a, you know,
Speaker:problem solve with you. But I really want you
Speaker:to understand that sort
Speaker:of no matter what happens in your
Speaker:child's life, there's going to be pain.
Speaker:There's going to be struggle. They're not always going
Speaker:to have it be go their way. They're
Speaker:gonna not be invited to the birthday party. They're gonna have, you
Speaker:know, problems in the class and the teacher might correct them in a way that
Speaker:you don't agree with. They might not make the
Speaker:team. You know, they they might they might have something tragic a in
Speaker:their lives that is outside of your control.
Speaker:And you'll worry, oh my God, this is a mess them up for
Speaker:life. Don't put that thought in your head. Just know
Speaker:every pain, every experience
Speaker:is just an emotional experience. And when you
Speaker:can process that pain, when you can move through it
Speaker:in a way that is, I know what I'm feeling. I know how to talk
Speaker:about it. I know what to do with a. And you keep reinforcing that.
Speaker:Your long term child can handle anything.
Speaker:The future kid that you're raising, you're giving them the
Speaker:resilience that they need for the future in real
Speaker:time now. It's beautiful. I'm excited about it. So
Speaker:I just wanna remind you, like, your kids are gonna be okay if you keep
Speaker:at the calm mama process. So let's
Speaker:break that down for a second and I wanna talk about, like, what does
Speaker:being on the same page even mean a where does it go
Speaker:wrong? Okay? So being on the same
Speaker:page a is my
Speaker:partner and I or my co parent and I, we have the same,
Speaker:a parenting philosophy. Like, we agree
Speaker:on our parenting philosophy. So the calm process,
Speaker:the parenting philosophy is feelings first, behavior second.
Speaker:That's a really easy way to to break it down. So
Speaker:you say, okay. Do we agree that emotional
Speaker:coaching is important for our kids? That compassion or helping our
Speaker:kids process negative emotion is an important thing.
Speaker:So you can ask your co a,
Speaker:hey, what do you think? Do you value this?
Speaker:Do we agree? I think that's a really
Speaker:beautiful place to start. And and asking
Speaker:even if you don't live with your co parent. Right? Even if you could just
Speaker:be like, hey. You know what? I'm learning a lot. This is something that is
Speaker:really revealed to me, is really important to me, and I want
Speaker:to, you know, make sure that you're on the same page with me. And that
Speaker:is that I believe that feelings matter a that it's important for our
Speaker:children to have a safe place to express those feelings and learn
Speaker:how to deal with their feelings. Are you into
Speaker:that? Are you, you know, do
Speaker:agree that that's a piece?
Speaker:My guess is that most people would say yes,
Speaker:especially if you have, like, this conversation about the philosophy.
Speaker:Most parents, we just blindly, like, move through our day and our life and, you
Speaker:know, that kind of thing. And we don't get to, you know,
Speaker:actually, like, big picture, you know, what are we
Speaker:doing here? I love having big picture a are we
Speaker:doing here a, particularly with my partner.
Speaker:The second part of being on the same page is the approach to that philosophy,
Speaker:the actual strategies and tools that we use. So
Speaker:if you have a a struggle with your co parent, I would like you to
Speaker:kind of figure out, is it is it that we don't agree
Speaker:on the philosophy itself, or are the tactics or
Speaker:approach that we're taking in conflict? So
Speaker:just breaking that down is helpful. Now, how does this show up?
Speaker:Okay? If both people agree,
Speaker:right, that compassionate parenting is the goal or like that's
Speaker:our approach, right? In the A Mama process, we have these
Speaker:4 parts. We have calm, connect, limit set
Speaker:correct. So a the approach to the
Speaker:philosophy can break down in in these areas. So
Speaker:the first is it sounds complicated. It's not. 1st, it's calm.
Speaker:Right? So, essentially, we have a human, a a,
Speaker:who is either self regulated or dysregulated.
Speaker:So if you have a co parent who's like, I really am into this
Speaker:philosophy, but I have a lot of trouble self regulating,
Speaker:then that means they need to be working on calm. They need to be
Speaker:working on their own stress management, their anger management, how
Speaker:they process their emotions, self compassion, all of those
Speaker:strategies around calm. So that is an approach issue.
Speaker:Right? They're not they're not able to to
Speaker:in, like, reinforce a philosophy because they don't have the
Speaker:skill of self regulation. You cannot do the calm mama
Speaker:process when you are dysregulated. So that's why we
Speaker:always go back to the pause break. We always stop. We check-in with ourselves. We
Speaker:calm our bodies. We calm our stress. We calm our minds. And
Speaker:then we go to connect. So the way that
Speaker:the being on the same page breaks down with connection
Speaker:is a if you're in the process and you're
Speaker:in the approach, you're emotionally coaching your kids using the connection
Speaker:tool. Hey, honey. You know, you're screaming a lot. You're
Speaker:hitting your brother. You're spitting. You're you're throwing stuff.
Speaker:I wonder if you're feeling overwhelmed. Right? So when you're naming that
Speaker:emotion and we're narrating the circumstance, narrating the
Speaker:behavior, and we're helping our kids label what's going
Speaker:on, and then we give them a strategy. And now what strategy of, like,
Speaker:makes sense? You're not allowed to hit your brother, but you are allowed to be
Speaker:overwhelmed. Why don't you what do you need right now? What do you wanna do
Speaker:to take care of yourself? Or you can set a limit, like, you can come
Speaker:back once you're calm. Now if
Speaker:the parent is not emotional coaching,
Speaker:right, if they believe that that's a value, but they're not actually doing
Speaker:it, then what they might be doing is emotional bypassing. So they're
Speaker:just like, hey. Get over it. It's not that big of a
Speaker:deal. Don't worry about it. Just cut it
Speaker:out. You know, be a. Good effort. Right?
Speaker:If they are not allowing for the big
Speaker:feelings to come out, they may say, I I believe in this.
Speaker:But then when it happens, they may not have the skill of emotional coaching,
Speaker:or they might be like, actually, I don't think their feelings
Speaker:really do matter. You can talk about that with your co parent. You'd be like,
Speaker:hey. I noticed that you're like, hey. Cut it out. Stop crying.
Speaker:It's not that big of a deal. Are you trying to stuff their
Speaker:emotion? Are you trying to bypass it? Are you trying to, you know,
Speaker:shift them away from their feelings instead of allowing them to
Speaker:express their feelings? So you can, you know,
Speaker:look from a neutral place, especially if you're not afraid
Speaker:of the future. You're not like, you have to be kinder. You're gonna
Speaker:mess up our kids. It's like going to your partner or
Speaker:your co a to be like, hey. I heard you say
Speaker:this, and I'm just wondering, you know, is it
Speaker:aligned with the value that you have? You know, do you need some
Speaker:support of, like, how to actually let them have their feelings?
Speaker:To be honest, letting someone have their feelings is just letting them have their feelings.
Speaker:Just, you know, keeping people safe and making sure that,
Speaker:you know, they're learning new tools and strategies to process that
Speaker:emotion. Honestly okay.
Speaker:So that's kind of the more traditional way of
Speaker:seeing somebody who is, not approaching
Speaker:connect, you know, in in the philosophy. Like, they're,
Speaker:like, shoving the kids' feelings down.
Speaker:But sometimes, some parents are actually
Speaker:they are emotional excusers. Right? So instead of
Speaker:emotional coaches, they're emotionally excusers. Like,
Speaker:oh, you're sad. Okay. You can you know, I'll give you
Speaker:another cookie or, oh, you're sad. And they don't they
Speaker:just allow that feeling to just get stuck, and they just kinda
Speaker:get in this cycle of, you know, not really coaching the child through
Speaker:the feeling, giving the child strategies to cope with that feeling
Speaker:a just almost like an emotional indulgence and then going, well,
Speaker:they're really tired. They're really hungry.
Speaker:You know, they're really sad, and that's why they're acting that way. But there's not
Speaker:any follow through. So you might see that. That's kind of the
Speaker:permissive parent model. So the other
Speaker:areas that I'll talk about next week are, like, around limit setting. Maybe you
Speaker:have in our philosophy, we're doing logical limit setting.
Speaker:Right? We're setting limits that get our kids to think. But maybe your co
Speaker:parent is using limits as rules, like
Speaker:fear based, harsh, a lot of commands, a lot of
Speaker:threats, a lot of emotional manipulation
Speaker:that might feel like, you know, don't do that. Right? Or you could
Speaker:have it where the person's like, who cares? No rules. Let's just let them stay
Speaker:up and eat cookies, and it doesn't matter. And, like, let's just be
Speaker:free. That might feel, you know, really difficult for you.
Speaker:So looking at the limit setting, it's
Speaker:like if you're doing the model, you're in a logical limit setting,
Speaker:you know, follow through shame free, pain
Speaker:free, logical, and natural consequences. Right? That's limit set
Speaker:correct. Or you might have a parent who's fear based and punitive
Speaker:or a parent that's no rules and permissive. So I'm
Speaker:gonna like I said, I'm gonna talk about next week. I'm gonna talk about limit
Speaker:setting and correction. But today, I wanna talk mostly about calm and connect and
Speaker:how to handle that Become we do feelings first, behavior
Speaker:second. Right? So that's you know, I wanna talk about feelings, and then
Speaker:we'll talk about behavior second. Let's get into when
Speaker:your co parent is dysregulated, when
Speaker:they are, you know, not
Speaker:calm. Okay? And this can look like an explosive parent
Speaker:or needlessly critical, aggressive,
Speaker:insulting, using shame for discipline, shows
Speaker:up in any unhealthy way. Your
Speaker:what's going on there is that you have a parent who
Speaker:probably is overwhelmed or stressed. They are not calm.
Speaker:When a person is acting that way, especially with their kid, they
Speaker:don't wanna show up that way. Right? They're in their own overwhelm
Speaker:or their their ego, like, their own fear that their
Speaker:Childress, like, getting away with something or being disrespectful a that's not how I would
Speaker:talk to my parent. A they're in their own head. They're in
Speaker:their own a, and they're acting that out.
Speaker:Now I used to be like this. Right?
Speaker:I was not calm. I wasn't always able
Speaker:to manage my feelings and then help my kid manage theirs. I'm
Speaker:sure many of you are there in that spot where you're still learning about
Speaker:yourself and your self a, and you're working hard at
Speaker:it and probably doing a pretty good job. And you look at
Speaker:your co a, and they're having a rough mama. And you're like, what is wrong
Speaker:with them? You know, but you're still doing the same thing. That's what I notice
Speaker:is that I'm very critical of my partner and not as self aware
Speaker:of, like, when I am losing my my shit. I'm always like,
Speaker:well, I'm working on it. You know, it's fine. And he's like, well,
Speaker:I am too, but I don't have as much compassion for him.
Speaker:Probably because I don't have a lot of compassion for myself. Anyway,
Speaker:your co a. Okay? If they are having trouble
Speaker:regulating their emotion and they're explosive a they're or they're
Speaker:emotionally checked out or they shut down or they walk away with a steely silence,
Speaker:whatever they're doing to cope with their big feelings, I want you to
Speaker:recognize that they are dysregulated. And they're not
Speaker:it's not that they're a bad a. It's not that they're a jerk. It's not
Speaker:that they don't care. Because if you come from judgment and criticism,
Speaker:you aren't going to be able to support that person.
Speaker:Honestly, even if you don't live with them. Okay? Even if they've been a jerk
Speaker:to you and you are divorced and you can't stand
Speaker:them, everybody in
Speaker:the world is behaving the way they are behaving because of their
Speaker:feelings. Either they don't know how to
Speaker:cope with those feelings, they don't know a communicate with those feelings, or
Speaker:they're desperately trying to change the circumstance in order to feel better.
Speaker:That it's like a control thing. Right? So
Speaker:get growing in your own compassion for your co parent will help you
Speaker:help your family because you won't come from fear and
Speaker:criticism. Now I made
Speaker:mistakes as a parent. I acted my big feeling cycles
Speaker:out. I, you know, exploded on my kids. I
Speaker:had parenting temper tantrums. And then I would see
Speaker:their face. I would see their sadness. I would see
Speaker:the boys crying. I would see them, you know, harsh turn away from
Speaker:me, any of that. And that
Speaker:experience broke my heart.
Speaker:It softened me and made me wanna become a better
Speaker:person, better mother. I didn't wanna show up like
Speaker:that, but I had to fail in order to change.
Speaker:So that might be you as well. Right? You might
Speaker:have shown up in a way that's not calm and not not the way you
Speaker:wanna be. And that's why you listen to this podcast. You're like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:No. That's me. I wanna get all these tools. Right? So you
Speaker:are learning and growing and partly motivated
Speaker:by your child and your relationship with your child.
Speaker:Because you wanna have a good relationship with your child and you want them to
Speaker:have a good relationship with themselves a you want them to have a good relationship
Speaker:with the world. Now your co parent,
Speaker:they are also in a relationship with their
Speaker:child, and it's their job to decide how
Speaker:they want their relationship to play out as the child gets older a
Speaker:it's their job to take action to create the relationship they want.
Speaker:Listen carefully. It's not your responsibility to preserve
Speaker:your child's relationship with their parent. It's not
Speaker:on you. Of course, there are things that you can do to
Speaker:support your Childress help them understand what's happening.
Speaker:You can help your co parent learn self a, or you can
Speaker:give them compassion and offer them tools if they're
Speaker:open. But, ultimately,
Speaker:your your responsibility is only to the emotional health of your
Speaker:child, and that might mean they need to process their negative emotion about
Speaker:their parent, like a other parent, and you calm be
Speaker:available for that. But you don't need to run interference
Speaker:Become what happens is you prevent your co parent from
Speaker:going through the entire process of I
Speaker:lose my shit. I hurt my kid. I have to then
Speaker:apologize to my kid and fix it and deal with my own feelings
Speaker:of guilt. Now not every person feels guilty.
Speaker:Some people feel shame like, oh my god. What's wrong with me? Something's deep a
Speaker:deeply disturbed and then they can't deal with that shame so the shame turns to
Speaker:blame. And they're like, it's not me. It's the kid. If the kid
Speaker:would just be, you know, stop being a jerk, I would need to be a
Speaker:jerk. So if that's where your parent, your co parent
Speaker:is, that's where they are. There's nothing you can do about that. They have
Speaker:to just go through the process. So if
Speaker:your co parent is in a dysregulated
Speaker:explosive way, your role
Speaker:is to support your co parent if that's a,
Speaker:but mostly, it's to emotionally coach your kid. So let me
Speaker:break that down a I know this episode is going a little bit long, but
Speaker:I'm just gonna get through it. So
Speaker:if you have a explosive co parent or a co parent that
Speaker:has trouble with this with with emotional regulation,
Speaker:there's a few different types of interventions you can have.
Speaker:So the first is a preventative conversation.
Speaker:Now this is only possible really if you have a decent relationship with
Speaker:that partner and they are
Speaker:wanting to be on the same page as you with terms to of
Speaker:parenting approach. So even if they're
Speaker:not, you can do this at any time, honestly. Like, if
Speaker:you have an explosive parent, then I would love for you to have what I
Speaker:call a preventative conversation. So a conversation
Speaker:outside of the moment. You see a pattern a
Speaker:you go in and you discuss the pattern with the co parent.
Speaker:So you say, you know, to them, you know,
Speaker:hey. Is explosive behavior that you do? I,
Speaker:like, I understand you get overwhelmed, you get frustrated with the kids, you get angry
Speaker:with them. That makes perfect sense. I understand.
Speaker:I do it too. But my goal for this family is that
Speaker:everybody stays safe a that includes emotionally safe.
Speaker:My goal for these kids is that they don't get dumped upon
Speaker:by us. So dumping your
Speaker:big feelings or blaming your kids or, you know, being explosive
Speaker:with them, that doesn't work. So when I see you acting this
Speaker:way, I'm gonna intervene. I'm gonna say, hey. Everyone
Speaker:stay safe in this house. Please take a break.
Speaker:So actually going and telling your parent, your co parent,
Speaker:when I see this behavior, I am gonna say something.
Speaker:Because my role is to help our kids be emotionally and
Speaker:physically safe in this house. So I will intervene. So you're
Speaker:telling them in advance. And if
Speaker:you are really close, you know, you have a good relationship, you can be like,
Speaker:hey. What's going on? Do you wanna show up this way with our kids? Like,
Speaker:I know you don't. So what can you do instead?
Speaker:And you create kind of a little a, right, where you're like, hey.
Speaker:Tap out. I'm overwhelmed. This has helped
Speaker:a lot in my relationship with Kevin. Like, there's been times where I'm
Speaker:like, uh-uh. You need a break. Because I can see that
Speaker:he's doing too a. You know, he's, like, way overwhelmed.
Speaker:But like I said before, also, sometimes I let it play out
Speaker:because it's on him to find his own way to regulate himself. But that took
Speaker:me a long time. I used to intervene every time. I used to have
Speaker:him, like, top out every time, and I would shut him down and shut his
Speaker:relationship with the boys down. And I've learned over time that
Speaker:it's better for him to go through the entire dysregulation process
Speaker:and then resolve it with the kids. But that can
Speaker:be hard and scary. A depends on the level of explosiveness. Obviously,
Speaker:I'm not gonna let my husband or my copartner,
Speaker:my coparent, like, swear at my kids and call
Speaker:them names and stuff. Like, no. That's not gonna happen,
Speaker:or hurt them. Absolutely not. So intervention
Speaker:is really important if you sense that your children aren't being
Speaker:safe. But a little bit of, like, what's going on with you?
Speaker:Why are you acting this way? Come on, man. I've told you three times.
Speaker:Like, you can let that play out a little bit and just see
Speaker:if your co parent realizes, like, it's ineffective.
Speaker:It doesn't feel good. It doesn't solve any problems.
Speaker:Alright. So how do you intervene when you're actually intervening?
Speaker:So, I when when
Speaker:my co parent is in an explosive incident, you know,
Speaker:especially if they're being physical, then I want you to feel
Speaker:confident. Like, I feel confident. I say, listen. Everyone stay safe here.
Speaker:This is not working. Take a break.
Speaker:So I would turn to anybody who's doing that with my Childress. Whoever's
Speaker:in the house, a grandparent, a sibling, you know, a a
Speaker:babysitter. I don't know why I would have a babysitter that's that way. But anyone
Speaker:who is really, you know, hurting
Speaker:my child in the moment, I am going to say, your
Speaker:behavior is not working. Everyone stay safe here. Please go take a break.
Speaker:I want you to use that firm voice. It's a little bit like the hard
Speaker:no that we do with our kids. I I want you to feel that leadership,
Speaker:feel that a, and not be afraid or
Speaker:resentment or bring all your negative energy just like, no.
Speaker:That's enough. That's not okay. Please take a
Speaker:break. Now I a
Speaker:that in some relationships, some
Speaker:dynamics with some people, if you were to
Speaker:intervene like that, it might create a lot of
Speaker:extra chaos. It might escalate that person.
Speaker:So, of course, I want you to always keep your kids safe,
Speaker:and I want you to intervene on their behalf, but I also want
Speaker:you to be safe. So
Speaker:you might have to let sometimes things run their course.
Speaker:A, again, don't let your kids get hurt. Okay? Like, physically
Speaker:hurt. Don't let people hurt your kids. But and if they are
Speaker:hurting if your kids are getting hurt, then get help.
Speaker:But for the most part, a lot of times, this is just like a lot
Speaker:of words, you know, a lot of yelling and things like that. And
Speaker:if you were to intervene and that would just escalate it all and it just
Speaker:turns into, like, even more yelling, then you can just let it
Speaker:out. And when it's a
Speaker:little bit calm, you can turn to your child
Speaker:or the children and say, you know, daddy is very upset right
Speaker:now. So we're gonna let them have a break. You come with me. We're gonna
Speaker:go into this other room, and, you know, everyone
Speaker:stays safe here, so I'm gonna move you. So even if you have an older
Speaker:kid, 12, 13, 14, you can intervene in the same way. Say,
Speaker:listen. You know what? Your dad's a upset or your mom's real upset. They need
Speaker:a minute. Come with me or go to your room for a minute.
Speaker:Just get the people out of the circumstance.
Speaker:So if you can't stop the aggressor,
Speaker:right, the person who's really dysregulated, the co
Speaker:parent, and you can't kind of stop them, they're not gonna
Speaker:reset, you can move the children.
Speaker:So I really want you to think about this in terms of harm reduction.
Speaker:You're trying to create some distance between the child and the other adult so
Speaker:that there's not so much disconnection and harm for your child.
Speaker:So it's the same thing as the hard no. Right? I say if a kid
Speaker:is hurting somebody, hurting another kid, like, usually a
Speaker:sibling, like, everyone stay safe here. This behavior does not work. You can
Speaker:be mad. You can't hit. Right? And I say if you
Speaker:wanna hit, go over there or you can hang out with us once you stop
Speaker:hitting. Whatever. I set a boundary. And then the child keeps
Speaker:hitting or they keep screaming or they keep doing whatever they're doing. I would go,
Speaker:oh, okay. This isn't safe. So you turn to the other child and you
Speaker:say, you go to my room for a minute. So this is the
Speaker:same concept if you have one person who's highly dysregulated and
Speaker:you try to check them and they won't reset,
Speaker:then you just move the other children. Yeah?
Speaker:Okay. Now this part, this last part is
Speaker:really important. So we have prevention, a, now
Speaker:we have resolution. How do you resolve these
Speaker:kinds of things? How do we get our kids to,
Speaker:you know, feel, like they understand what
Speaker:happened to them? When you think about
Speaker:traumatic events, a lot of times, the reason why
Speaker:they've become traumatic events is because the person
Speaker:experiencing that bad thing personalizes it
Speaker:and they mull it over a they don't ever process it with somebody. They never
Speaker:get it out. So the resolution conversation, what we're
Speaker:doing is we're gonna narrate what happened and we're gonna give words
Speaker:to it Become the goal here is to separate the
Speaker:actions of the co parent from
Speaker:the child. We wanna help the child understand
Speaker:that these behaviors that my my
Speaker:parent did are about my parent, not
Speaker:about me being a bad kid. There's not I want your kids
Speaker:to go like, there's nothing wrong with me. That was a person who was a.
Speaker:Like, even having the word. So what we
Speaker:we don't want is for your child to internalize the messages
Speaker:that they might have received from their parent. We don't want we want
Speaker:them to know this has nothing to do with me. I might have acted
Speaker:poorly. I might have made a mistake, but their
Speaker:actions are because of their feelings.
Speaker:My parent acted that way. My parent yelled at me. My parent was mean to
Speaker:me. My parent did whatever they did because they had big
Speaker:feelings that they didn't know how to handle.
Speaker:So how do you do that? You go through and you
Speaker:first create facts for your child, then you name the emotion.
Speaker:So the facts are daddy said this or mommy
Speaker:said this or this thing a, and then he he said this
Speaker:a then he kicked this and he threw this and he said that.
Speaker:Like, whatever happened, I want you to describe it Become
Speaker:your child will make up a story about it, and they'll add facts
Speaker:to it as if the if they don't get anybody to process it with them.
Speaker:And, you know, they have a big imagination. So we wanna just kinda really
Speaker:name what happened, narrate narrate what happened,
Speaker:and then pick one feeling that they might have been feeling while
Speaker:it was happening. I wonder if you were feeling a little
Speaker:scared or I wonder if you're feeling confused. So
Speaker:you pick a emotion and that your child might be
Speaker:feeling a then you name that emotion and let them say
Speaker:what they're gonna say. Yes. He was really mean. I don't like when daddy
Speaker:does that. I don't like when mommy says that. I don't like how she talks
Speaker:to a. And you give them a place to dump some of that
Speaker:feeling and some of those thoughts so that they don't internalize
Speaker:it. So they'll try to make sense of it in their own head.
Speaker:Now not every kid is going to talk. Some
Speaker:of them might feel disloyal. They don't wanna talk badly about their co their
Speaker:parent. That makes sense. We don't need
Speaker:them to talk a lot in order for this to be
Speaker:effective. All we wanna do is
Speaker:put the behavior on the outside and talk about
Speaker:it as a thing, as a circumstance that the child experienced
Speaker:So it doesn't get mixed up into, like, I'm a bad kid
Speaker:and that's why my parent acted this way. It's
Speaker:like, no. Your parent acted this way because they had big feelings.
Speaker:They didn't know what to do with. Now your
Speaker:co parent may may not like this. Right? And it's like, well,
Speaker:this is what is true. You were dysregulated. No. I
Speaker:wasn't. They shouldn't be acting like that. They need to learn. No. No. No. You
Speaker:go, okay. Well, there's better ways to teach that.
Speaker:The truth is the way that you handled yourself doesn't work.
Speaker:You were dysregulated. So
Speaker:if you don't live with your co parent and your child
Speaker:goes back and forth or they spend time, you know, with their with their parent
Speaker:and you don't know about what's happening, I really want you to know your job
Speaker:is not to become a detective and unearth all the dirt. That's
Speaker:not what we're I want you to do. Try to figure out what happened and,
Speaker:like, I know you do this if you if you don't live with your,
Speaker:with your co parent. And instead, I
Speaker:want you just to be attuned, just paying attention, noticing your
Speaker:Childress, and talking about their behavior that they're currently
Speaker:doing. Like, they come home after being at their co parent at
Speaker:the other parent's house a they're really grumpy with you a they're, you know, they
Speaker:a about everything. And so you just wanna narrate a name and use the
Speaker:connection tool. So let them process some of that emotion that might
Speaker:be a. And without, you don't have ever have to really
Speaker:know what happened. So they may
Speaker:tell you eventually, especially if you're really neutral
Speaker:and curious about their feelings, not about the experience,
Speaker:just like a is it like to be you, little kid? What is it like
Speaker:to go back and forth? What is it? What part is hard? What part is
Speaker:confusing? You don't need to ask all these questions. You're just open
Speaker:to seeing what they reveal to you.
Speaker:Okay. Now the
Speaker:remember, the key takeaway here is that
Speaker:the parenting you're doing is not in vain
Speaker:because your co parent isn't on board. Your
Speaker:child's other parent isn't unraveling all of your hard work. What you are doing
Speaker:is not pointless. So you your
Speaker:child only needs a person to emotionally coach them in order to be
Speaker:emotionally literate, in order to grow up and be emotionally healthy.
Speaker:Isn't that amazing? You are the only person
Speaker:that your child needs in order to become the human that they are meant
Speaker:to be. Like, you are enough.
Speaker:What you're doing is enough. No matter
Speaker:how the other adults in your kids' life show up, you're
Speaker:enough. So really let that sink
Speaker:in. And next week, I'll talk about
Speaker:the when your co parent isn't on the same page in terms of limits
Speaker:and rules and things like that and following through.
Speaker:Alright. This week, I want you to give yourself a little pat on
Speaker:the back because you're doing a hard thing. You're parenting your kids in a way
Speaker:that hasn't happened before, and I'm really proud of you. And I want you to
Speaker:be proud of yourself and have that hard conversation with your co
Speaker:parent. It's not hard. Just have that conversation. Go over and
Speaker:say, hey. What's our approach here? Here's mine. Are
Speaker:you aligned with this? See what they say. Be curious.
Speaker:Alright, mamas. I will talk to you next week.