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Being On the Same Page
Episode 11825th April 2024 • Become A Calm Mama • Darlynn Childress
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I’m often asked, “How do you handle it when your husband or your coparent isn't on board?” or, “How do you handle it when you're divorced and you don't know what's going on with the other parent?”

In this first episode of a two-part series, I’ll start answering these questions and share some essential conversations to have with your coparent.

You’ll Learn:

  • Why I know your kid is going to be okay.
  • How to determine if you and your coparent are on the same page (and where to start if you’re not). 
  • Essential conversations for before, during and after explosive incidents - with scripts!
  • Using the “hard no” with other adults.

The parenting you're doing is not in vain if your co parent isn't on board. Your child's other parent isn't unraveling all of your hard work. What you are doing is not pointless. You can give your child everything they need to grow into an emotionally healthy adult.

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The Real Question

The real question at the root of these concerns is, “Is my kid going to be okay if my coparent doesn’t practice compassionate parenting?”

There is fear of what will happen in the future if your coparent is harsh, too permissive or just on a different page when it comes to parenting your kid. 

But what does it really mean to be okay? The way I think about this in my programs is that we are setting our kids up for success by teaching emotional literacy - knowing what they’re feeling, how to talk about it and what to do with it. 

This is the key to raising kids that are confident, self-aware and love themselves. 

No matter what happens in your child's life, there's going to be pain and struggle. Things won’t always go their way. 

In the long-term, when they know how to process that pain, they can handle anything. You’re giving your kid the resilience that they need for the future. 

 

Being On the Same Page

For our purposes, being on the same page means two things:  

  1. You and your coparent agree on the same parenting philosophy. In this case, that means agreeing that compassion and helping your child process negative emotion are important to you. 
  2. You share the same approach to the philosophy. You’re using the same strategies and tools. 

For example, compassionate parenting is a philosophy. The Calm Mama Process of calm, connect, limit set, correct is the approach. 

A beautiful place to start is by asking your coparent (whether you live with them or not) what they value when it comes to parenting. 

You can start the conversation by saying something like, “I'm learning a lot, and I want to make sure that you're on the same page with me. I believe that feelings matter and that it's important for our kids to have a safe place to express those feelings and learn how to deal with them. Do agree?”

 

When You Aren’t On the Same Page

I know that you want to have a good relationship with your child, and you want them to have a good relationship with themselves and with the world. You get to decide how you show up. You can put in the work to make sure your relationship is connected and loving. 

Your coparent also has a relationship with your kid, and it’s their job to decide how they want that relationship to play out and take action to create the relationship they want. 

It is not your responsibility to preserve your child’s relationship with their other parent. Ultimately, your responsibility is only to the emotional health of your child. 

If you’re struggling with your coparent, look at where the disagreement is. Is it about the philosophy or the approach?

Maybe you agree on the philosophy, but your coparent struggles to manage their stress and calm themselves. Or they’re avoiding following through on consequences. When you understand where the disconnect is, it is easier to problem solve. 

 

Dealing With an Explosive Parent

If your coparent is dysregulated and not calm, it might look like being explosive, needlessly critical, aggressive, insulting or using shame for discipline. They might shut down or walk away in steely silence. 

This parent is probably overwhelmed and stressed. They’re in their own ego or fear. Maybe they’re scared that their kid is getting away with something or being disrespectful. 

I want you to recognize that this parent is dysregulated. It's not that they're a jerk or they don't care. And you won’t be able to support them if you’re coming from a place of judgment and criticism. Compassion for your coparent will help your whole family. 

Your responsibility is not to try to change your coparent and their behavior. It is to emotionally coach your kid and help them process what’s going on. There are a few different ways you can do this.

 

Preventative Conversation. This conversation happens outside of an emotional moment. You’re discussing the pattern that you’ve been seeing and telling your coparent in advance how you will intervene if you see it in the future.

You might say something like, “Hey, I want to talk about this explosive behavior that you do. I understand you get overwhelmed, you get frustrated with the kids, you get angry with them. That makes perfect sense. I do it too. But my goal for this family is that everybody stays safe, and that includes emotionally safe. Dumping your big feelings or blaming the kids or being explosive with them doesn't work. So when I see you acting this way, I'm gonna intervene and ask you to take a break.”

If you have a good relationship with your coparent, you can even come up with a plan for letting each other know when you’re overwhelmed and need to tap out for a minute.

 

Intervention Conversation. These conversations happen when you are in the middle of an explosive incident. The goal with these interventions is harm reduction.

Option #1: Intervene with your coparent. If they are having an explosive incident, like yelling, shaming, threatening, being physically aggressive, name calling, swearing, insulting your child, etc. I want you to confidently say, “Everyone stays safe here. Your behavior is not working. Please take a break.” 

Option #2: Intervene with the child(ren). If asking the other person to take a break will escalate the situation (or if they’re just not able to reset at that moment), you can move your child away. Say, “Daddy/Mommy/whoever is very upset right now. We're gonna let them have a break,” and move the kids into a different room. 

 

Resolution Conversation. Often, the reason events become traumatic is because the person experiencing it doesn’t ever process it with someone else. They personalize it and mull it over. There is no real resolution. 

In a resolution conversation, we separate the coparent’s actions from the child. We help the child understand that these behaviors that their parent did are about the parent, not the kid. 

Maybe your child acted poorly or made a mistake, but the parent’s reaction was about their feelings and not knowing how to handle them. 

Start by narrating what happened. Then, pick one emotion they might have been feeling. Say, “I wonder if you were feeling a little scared?” and give them time to respond. This gives them a place to dump some of those thoughts and feelings so that they don’t internalize it. 

If they don’t want to talk much, that’s okay. The goal is really to talk about this incident as a circumstance that they experienced and not let it get mixed up into “I’m a bad kid” type of thinking. 

 

Good News

Your child only needs one person in their life to help them learn emotional literacy and grow up to be emotionally healthy. 

When you’re coparenting alongside someone who is explosive, overly permissive, harsh or emotionally disconnected, it can be easy to look at how they’re acting and think, “they’re gonna mess up my kid.” 

But this thought only creates fear of the future and resentment toward your coparent. Instead, remember that they only need one person to help them understand their inner world. 

The parenting you're doing is not in vain because your co parent isn't on board. Your child's other parent isn't unraveling all of your hard work. What you are doing is not pointless. 

You are the only person that your child needs in order to become the human that they are meant to be. You are enough. What you're doing is enough. Keep at it. Your kid is going to be okay.

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Welcome back to become a calm mama. I'm your host. I'm

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A Childress. And today is part

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of a 2 part series that I'm gonna do on being on the same

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page with your co parent. This is a question I get

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often of, like, how do you handle it when your

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husband or your partner isn't on board? Or how do you

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handle it when you're divorced and you don't know what's going on with the other

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parent or they're not aligned with your parenting philosophy?

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And the question really, I think a all of that

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is, is my kid gonna be okay if my

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co parent doesn't practice compassionate parenting?

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If my co parent is harsh with my kids, if

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my co parent is too permissive. So the fear

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under there is really about the future.

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Like, is my kid gonna be okay even

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if my partner isn't on the same page?

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So the quick answer to this is yes.

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Okay? And the reason why a to

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get it right up at the beginning of this episode is

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that when we think about the future and like, is

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our kid a to be okay? We have to understand what is required

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of being okay. Like, what does that even mean?

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So, essentially, what we're looking for is what I

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think of as emotional health. Right? So that's why a lot of my programs

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are, like, emotionally healthy kids, emotionally healthy teens. It's

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really how do we set our kids up for success

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in their adult life so that they feel good.

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Right? That they feel confident, that they feel,

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that they love themselves, that they're they know how to be in a.

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And all of that requires emotional

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literacy. And what is emotional literacy? It goes to

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knowing what I'm feeling, being able to go

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inside of myself a know, like, if there's a difficult circumstance,

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I need to have self awareness. If I'm aware of myself, myself, if I'm

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aware of my feelings a I know what to do with those feelings,

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then I can kind of handle anything in life. So emotional

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literacy is I know what I'm feeling. I know how to talk about it, and

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I know what to do with them. So if you think about

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any kind of interpersonal relationship issue or

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inter interpersonal, like within myself, If there's a

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situation in my life that is difficult, then I'm gonna need

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to process my emotion about it and talk about it and understand

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how to move through that feeling and what to do about it,

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either changing my circumstance or talking to a person or

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changing the way I think about something. So emotional literacy

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is the core value that we have

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in our in this program of how do we help our kids

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grow up to be okay. So the good news,

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okay, the best news ever is that you only need

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a person in your life to help you

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learn emotional literacy. It's great

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if you have 2 people, 5 people, a community, a

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whole society that is literally

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literate and aware and empathetic and helps people

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process their negative emotion a when that's what my goal

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is, is to create a society where we have a bunch of emotionally literate

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humans. Right? Healing the next generation in advance is my

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vision. But when you

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are in your own life with you

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and your family, and you might have an explosive parent

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or an overly permissive parent or a harsh parent

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or emotionally disconnected parent that you are co parenting

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alongside. And you look at how they're acting with your kid and

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you're like, wait a second. They are going to mess up my kid.

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They're gonna unravel all the work I'm doing. They're messing it all

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up. And that creates fear for the

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future, and it creates resentment towards your co parent whether

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you live with them or not. So I want you to have a fear

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free and resentment free experience of raising kids.

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So a the way that we overcome that fear and

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that resentment is by understanding

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that all my child needs this one, the one that I'm raising,

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maybe you've got a few, but all that they each need

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is a person who helps them understand

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their inner world. One person who helps them

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narrate and name what's happening for them,

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one emotional coach. I

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hope that just hearing that makes you go,

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like a big exhale because I know what

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it's like to have a parent, a co parent. My co parent is

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really great. Kevin and I've been married a long time, and, you know, he's

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a he's a he's on board. Right? We're on the same page, but we haven't

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always been. Because I was learning all of these

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philosophies and how to be compassionate and empathy and growing

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my own emotional regulation, I was doing that before he was

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doing it. I kind of brought it into our lives. And

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so there was a lot of times early on, and even now, for

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sure, we both lose our shit sometimes with our kids or with our lives.

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Like, we're not perfect a. But whenever he would

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act, you know, in his humanness and not be

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processing his emotion and not regulated, it would

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freak me out. I would, like, go in and intervene

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and, you know, run interference and triangulate me and

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the kids in him and kind of put him into, like, he's the bad guy

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and I'm the good guy a the kids are the victim of their dad's behavior

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a all of this cuckoo land stuff that

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actually prevented Kevin

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from understanding the impact of his

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behavior on the kids. When I was always kind of,

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you know, hyper a and managing everybody and, you

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know, intervening all the time, a in terms of,

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like, making sure everything worked well so that Kevin didn't get

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mad. Okay? Like, a perfectionist

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perfectionistic way of approaching my family, especially early

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on. Like, a, I'm on a tangent here. I'm sorry. But

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literally, like, when they were real little, I would know oh my god. It's

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embarrassing to say this. But I would know he was coming home, like, at 6:45,

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7:7:30, whatever. He would text me or we didn't really have text back then, to

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be honest. He said he'd call me, and he'd say I'm on my way home.

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And then I would, like, get the kids together. We would, like,

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clean up the, you know, all the toys, and we would get ourselves settled. And

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I would, like, regulate the children, make sure they got all their wiggles out, let

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them know daddy was coming home. And I swear there was this part of me

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that was like, should I put a ribbon in my hair a, like, a nice

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dress on, like, a 19 fifties housewife and be ready for my man to come

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in? Like, ew. But my reason for doing

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that was fear. I didn't want Kevin

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to come home and mess up

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all the good work I had done with the children all day. So I didn't

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trust him, and I didn't trust the process.

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What I didn't understand back then that I am teaching you right now,

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so you don't have to do what I did, is that

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you don't need to have every moment in every

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relationship with your children be perfect

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or be in the model, in the calm mama model

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in order for it to work. Because when

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we define work it, like, does it work?

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All we're talking about is the long term emotional health of our kids.

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So I wanna get into some practical

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strategies of how to actually handle an explosive a, how

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to actually talk about it with your partner or, you know, your co

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parent if you're not partnered with them a, you know,

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problem solve with you. But I really want you

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to understand that sort

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of no matter what happens in your

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child's life, there's going to be pain.

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There's going to be struggle. They're not always going

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to have it be go their way. They're

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gonna not be invited to the birthday party. They're gonna have, you

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know, problems in the class and the teacher might correct them in a way that

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you don't agree with. They might not make the

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team. You know, they they might they might have something tragic a in

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their lives that is outside of your control.

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And you'll worry, oh my God, this is a mess them up for

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life. Don't put that thought in your head. Just know

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every pain, every experience

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is just an emotional experience. And when you

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can process that pain, when you can move through it

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in a way that is, I know what I'm feeling. I know how to talk

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about it. I know what to do with a. And you keep reinforcing that.

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Your long term child can handle anything.

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The future kid that you're raising, you're giving them the

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resilience that they need for the future in real

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time now. It's beautiful. I'm excited about it. So

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I just wanna remind you, like, your kids are gonna be okay if you keep

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at the calm mama process. So let's

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break that down for a second and I wanna talk about, like, what does

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being on the same page even mean a where does it go

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wrong? Okay? So being on the same

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page a is my

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partner and I or my co parent and I, we have the same,

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a parenting philosophy. Like, we agree

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on our parenting philosophy. So the calm process,

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the parenting philosophy is feelings first, behavior second.

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That's a really easy way to to break it down. So

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you say, okay. Do we agree that emotional

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coaching is important for our kids? That compassion or helping our

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kids process negative emotion is an important thing.

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So you can ask your co a,

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hey, what do you think? Do you value this?

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Do we agree? I think that's a really

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beautiful place to start. And and asking

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even if you don't live with your co parent. Right? Even if you could just

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be like, hey. You know what? I'm learning a lot. This is something that is

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really revealed to me, is really important to me, and I want

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to, you know, make sure that you're on the same page with me. And that

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is that I believe that feelings matter a that it's important for our

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children to have a safe place to express those feelings and learn

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how to deal with their feelings. Are you into

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that? Are you, you know, do

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agree that that's a piece?

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My guess is that most people would say yes,

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especially if you have, like, this conversation about the philosophy.

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Most parents, we just blindly, like, move through our day and our life and, you

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know, that kind of thing. And we don't get to, you know,

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actually, like, big picture, you know, what are we

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doing here? I love having big picture a are we

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doing here a, particularly with my partner.

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The second part of being on the same page is the approach to that philosophy,

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the actual strategies and tools that we use. So

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if you have a a struggle with your co parent, I would like you to

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kind of figure out, is it is it that we don't agree

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on the philosophy itself, or are the tactics or

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approach that we're taking in conflict? So

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just breaking that down is helpful. Now, how does this show up?

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Okay? If both people agree,

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right, that compassionate parenting is the goal or like that's

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our approach, right? In the A Mama process, we have these

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4 parts. We have calm, connect, limit set

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correct. So a the approach to the

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philosophy can break down in in these areas. So

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the first is it sounds complicated. It's not. 1st, it's calm.

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Right? So, essentially, we have a human, a a,

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who is either self regulated or dysregulated.

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So if you have a co parent who's like, I really am into this

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philosophy, but I have a lot of trouble self regulating,

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then that means they need to be working on calm. They need to be

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working on their own stress management, their anger management, how

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they process their emotions, self compassion, all of those

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strategies around calm. So that is an approach issue.

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Right? They're not they're not able to to

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in, like, reinforce a philosophy because they don't have the

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skill of self regulation. You cannot do the calm mama

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process when you are dysregulated. So that's why we

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always go back to the pause break. We always stop. We check-in with ourselves. We

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calm our bodies. We calm our stress. We calm our minds. And

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then we go to connect. So the way that

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the being on the same page breaks down with connection

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is a if you're in the process and you're

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in the approach, you're emotionally coaching your kids using the connection

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tool. Hey, honey. You know, you're screaming a lot. You're

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hitting your brother. You're spitting. You're you're throwing stuff.

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I wonder if you're feeling overwhelmed. Right? So when you're naming that

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emotion and we're narrating the circumstance, narrating the

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behavior, and we're helping our kids label what's going

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on, and then we give them a strategy. And now what strategy of, like,

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makes sense? You're not allowed to hit your brother, but you are allowed to be

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overwhelmed. Why don't you what do you need right now? What do you wanna do

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to take care of yourself? Or you can set a limit, like, you can come

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back once you're calm. Now if

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the parent is not emotional coaching,

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right, if they believe that that's a value, but they're not actually doing

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it, then what they might be doing is emotional bypassing. So they're

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just like, hey. Get over it. It's not that big of a

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deal. Don't worry about it. Just cut it

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out. You know, be a. Good effort. Right?

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If they are not allowing for the big

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feelings to come out, they may say, I I believe in this.

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But then when it happens, they may not have the skill of emotional coaching,

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or they might be like, actually, I don't think their feelings

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really do matter. You can talk about that with your co parent. You'd be like,

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hey. I noticed that you're like, hey. Cut it out. Stop crying.

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It's not that big of a deal. Are you trying to stuff their

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emotion? Are you trying to bypass it? Are you trying to, you know,

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shift them away from their feelings instead of allowing them to

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express their feelings? So you can, you know,

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look from a neutral place, especially if you're not afraid

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of the future. You're not like, you have to be kinder. You're gonna

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mess up our kids. It's like going to your partner or

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your co a to be like, hey. I heard you say

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this, and I'm just wondering, you know, is it

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aligned with the value that you have? You know, do you need some

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support of, like, how to actually let them have their feelings?

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To be honest, letting someone have their feelings is just letting them have their feelings.

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Just, you know, keeping people safe and making sure that,

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you know, they're learning new tools and strategies to process that

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emotion. Honestly okay.

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So that's kind of the more traditional way of

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seeing somebody who is, not approaching

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connect, you know, in in the philosophy. Like, they're,

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like, shoving the kids' feelings down.

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But sometimes, some parents are actually

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they are emotional excusers. Right? So instead of

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emotional coaches, they're emotionally excusers. Like,

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oh, you're sad. Okay. You can you know, I'll give you

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another cookie or, oh, you're sad. And they don't they

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just allow that feeling to just get stuck, and they just kinda

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get in this cycle of, you know, not really coaching the child through

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the feeling, giving the child strategies to cope with that feeling

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a just almost like an emotional indulgence and then going, well,

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they're really tired. They're really hungry.

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You know, they're really sad, and that's why they're acting that way. But there's not

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any follow through. So you might see that. That's kind of the

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permissive parent model. So the other

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areas that I'll talk about next week are, like, around limit setting. Maybe you

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have in our philosophy, we're doing logical limit setting.

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Right? We're setting limits that get our kids to think. But maybe your co

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parent is using limits as rules, like

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fear based, harsh, a lot of commands, a lot of

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threats, a lot of emotional manipulation

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that might feel like, you know, don't do that. Right? Or you could

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have it where the person's like, who cares? No rules. Let's just let them stay

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up and eat cookies, and it doesn't matter. And, like, let's just be

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free. That might feel, you know, really difficult for you.

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So looking at the limit setting, it's

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like if you're doing the model, you're in a logical limit setting,

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you know, follow through shame free, pain

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free, logical, and natural consequences. Right? That's limit set

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correct. Or you might have a parent who's fear based and punitive

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or a parent that's no rules and permissive. So I'm

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gonna like I said, I'm gonna talk about next week. I'm gonna talk about limit

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setting and correction. But today, I wanna talk mostly about calm and connect and

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how to handle that Become we do feelings first, behavior

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second. Right? So that's you know, I wanna talk about feelings, and then

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we'll talk about behavior second. Let's get into when

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your co parent is dysregulated, when

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they are, you know, not

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calm. Okay? And this can look like an explosive parent

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or needlessly critical, aggressive,

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insulting, using shame for discipline, shows

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up in any unhealthy way. Your

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what's going on there is that you have a parent who

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probably is overwhelmed or stressed. They are not calm.

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When a person is acting that way, especially with their kid, they

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don't wanna show up that way. Right? They're in their own overwhelm

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or their their ego, like, their own fear that their

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Childress, like, getting away with something or being disrespectful a that's not how I would

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talk to my parent. A they're in their own head. They're in

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their own a, and they're acting that out.

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Now I used to be like this. Right?

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I was not calm. I wasn't always able

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to manage my feelings and then help my kid manage theirs. I'm

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sure many of you are there in that spot where you're still learning about

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yourself and your self a, and you're working hard at

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it and probably doing a pretty good job. And you look at

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your co a, and they're having a rough mama. And you're like, what is wrong

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with them? You know, but you're still doing the same thing. That's what I notice

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is that I'm very critical of my partner and not as self aware

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of, like, when I am losing my my shit. I'm always like,

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well, I'm working on it. You know, it's fine. And he's like, well,

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I am too, but I don't have as much compassion for him.

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Probably because I don't have a lot of compassion for myself. Anyway,

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your co a. Okay? If they are having trouble

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regulating their emotion and they're explosive a they're or they're

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emotionally checked out or they shut down or they walk away with a steely silence,

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whatever they're doing to cope with their big feelings, I want you to

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recognize that they are dysregulated. And they're not

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it's not that they're a bad a. It's not that they're a jerk. It's not

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that they don't care. Because if you come from judgment and criticism,

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you aren't going to be able to support that person.

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Honestly, even if you don't live with them. Okay? Even if they've been a jerk

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to you and you are divorced and you can't stand

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them, everybody in

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the world is behaving the way they are behaving because of their

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feelings. Either they don't know how to

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cope with those feelings, they don't know a communicate with those feelings, or

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they're desperately trying to change the circumstance in order to feel better.

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That it's like a control thing. Right? So

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get growing in your own compassion for your co parent will help you

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help your family because you won't come from fear and

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criticism. Now I made

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mistakes as a parent. I acted my big feeling cycles

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out. I, you know, exploded on my kids. I

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had parenting temper tantrums. And then I would see

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their face. I would see their sadness. I would see

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the boys crying. I would see them, you know, harsh turn away from

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me, any of that. And that

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experience broke my heart.

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It softened me and made me wanna become a better

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person, better mother. I didn't wanna show up like

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that, but I had to fail in order to change.

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So that might be you as well. Right? You might

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have shown up in a way that's not calm and not not the way you

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wanna be. And that's why you listen to this podcast. You're like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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No. That's me. I wanna get all these tools. Right? So you

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are learning and growing and partly motivated

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by your child and your relationship with your child.

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Because you wanna have a good relationship with your child and you want them to

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have a good relationship with themselves a you want them to have a good relationship

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with the world. Now your co parent,

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they are also in a relationship with their

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child, and it's their job to decide how

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they want their relationship to play out as the child gets older a

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it's their job to take action to create the relationship they want.

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Listen carefully. It's not your responsibility to preserve

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your child's relationship with their parent. It's not

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on you. Of course, there are things that you can do to

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support your Childress help them understand what's happening.

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You can help your co parent learn self a, or you can

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give them compassion and offer them tools if they're

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open. But, ultimately,

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your your responsibility is only to the emotional health of your

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child, and that might mean they need to process their negative emotion about

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their parent, like a other parent, and you calm be

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available for that. But you don't need to run interference

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Become what happens is you prevent your co parent from

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going through the entire process of I

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lose my shit. I hurt my kid. I have to then

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apologize to my kid and fix it and deal with my own feelings

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of guilt. Now not every person feels guilty.

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Some people feel shame like, oh my god. What's wrong with me? Something's deep a

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deeply disturbed and then they can't deal with that shame so the shame turns to

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blame. And they're like, it's not me. It's the kid. If the kid

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would just be, you know, stop being a jerk, I would need to be a

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jerk. So if that's where your parent, your co parent

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is, that's where they are. There's nothing you can do about that. They have

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to just go through the process. So if

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your co parent is in a dysregulated

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explosive way, your role

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is to support your co parent if that's a,

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but mostly, it's to emotionally coach your kid. So let me

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break that down a I know this episode is going a little bit long, but

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I'm just gonna get through it. So

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if you have a explosive co parent or a co parent that

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has trouble with this with with emotional regulation,

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there's a few different types of interventions you can have.

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So the first is a preventative conversation.

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Now this is only possible really if you have a decent relationship with

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that partner and they are

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wanting to be on the same page as you with terms to of

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parenting approach. So even if they're

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not, you can do this at any time, honestly. Like, if

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you have an explosive parent, then I would love for you to have what I

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call a preventative conversation. So a conversation

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outside of the moment. You see a pattern a

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you go in and you discuss the pattern with the co parent.

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So you say, you know, to them, you know,

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hey. Is explosive behavior that you do? I,

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like, I understand you get overwhelmed, you get frustrated with the kids, you get angry

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with them. That makes perfect sense. I understand.

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I do it too. But my goal for this family is that

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everybody stays safe a that includes emotionally safe.

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My goal for these kids is that they don't get dumped upon

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by us. So dumping your

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big feelings or blaming your kids or, you know, being explosive

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with them, that doesn't work. So when I see you acting this

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way, I'm gonna intervene. I'm gonna say, hey. Everyone

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stay safe in this house. Please take a break.

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So actually going and telling your parent, your co parent,

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when I see this behavior, I am gonna say something.

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Because my role is to help our kids be emotionally and

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physically safe in this house. So I will intervene. So you're

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telling them in advance. And if

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you are really close, you know, you have a good relationship, you can be like,

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hey. What's going on? Do you wanna show up this way with our kids? Like,

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I know you don't. So what can you do instead?

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And you create kind of a little a, right, where you're like, hey.

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Tap out. I'm overwhelmed. This has helped

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a lot in my relationship with Kevin. Like, there's been times where I'm

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like, uh-uh. You need a break. Because I can see that

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he's doing too a. You know, he's, like, way overwhelmed.

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But like I said before, also, sometimes I let it play out

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because it's on him to find his own way to regulate himself. But that took

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me a long time. I used to intervene every time. I used to have

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him, like, top out every time, and I would shut him down and shut his

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relationship with the boys down. And I've learned over time that

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it's better for him to go through the entire dysregulation process

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and then resolve it with the kids. But that can

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be hard and scary. A depends on the level of explosiveness. Obviously,

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I'm not gonna let my husband or my copartner,

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my coparent, like, swear at my kids and call

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them names and stuff. Like, no. That's not gonna happen,

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or hurt them. Absolutely not. So intervention

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is really important if you sense that your children aren't being

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safe. But a little bit of, like, what's going on with you?

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Why are you acting this way? Come on, man. I've told you three times.

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Like, you can let that play out a little bit and just see

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if your co parent realizes, like, it's ineffective.

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It doesn't feel good. It doesn't solve any problems.

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Alright. So how do you intervene when you're actually intervening?

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So, I when when

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my co parent is in an explosive incident, you know,

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especially if they're being physical, then I want you to feel

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confident. Like, I feel confident. I say, listen. Everyone stay safe here.

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This is not working. Take a break.

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So I would turn to anybody who's doing that with my Childress. Whoever's

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in the house, a grandparent, a sibling, you know, a a

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babysitter. I don't know why I would have a babysitter that's that way. But anyone

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who is really, you know, hurting

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my child in the moment, I am going to say, your

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behavior is not working. Everyone stay safe here. Please go take a break.

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I want you to use that firm voice. It's a little bit like the hard

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no that we do with our kids. I I want you to feel that leadership,

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feel that a, and not be afraid or

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resentment or bring all your negative energy just like, no.

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That's enough. That's not okay. Please take a

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break. Now I a

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that in some relationships, some

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dynamics with some people, if you were to

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intervene like that, it might create a lot of

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extra chaos. It might escalate that person.

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So, of course, I want you to always keep your kids safe,

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and I want you to intervene on their behalf, but I also want

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you to be safe. So

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you might have to let sometimes things run their course.

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A, again, don't let your kids get hurt. Okay? Like, physically

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hurt. Don't let people hurt your kids. But and if they are

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hurting if your kids are getting hurt, then get help.

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But for the most part, a lot of times, this is just like a lot

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of words, you know, a lot of yelling and things like that. And

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if you were to intervene and that would just escalate it all and it just

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turns into, like, even more yelling, then you can just let it

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out. And when it's a

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little bit calm, you can turn to your child

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or the children and say, you know, daddy is very upset right

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now. So we're gonna let them have a break. You come with me. We're gonna

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go into this other room, and, you know, everyone

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stays safe here, so I'm gonna move you. So even if you have an older

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kid, 12, 13, 14, you can intervene in the same way. Say,

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listen. You know what? Your dad's a upset or your mom's real upset. They need

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a minute. Come with me or go to your room for a minute.

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Just get the people out of the circumstance.

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So if you can't stop the aggressor,

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right, the person who's really dysregulated, the co

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parent, and you can't kind of stop them, they're not gonna

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reset, you can move the children.

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So I really want you to think about this in terms of harm reduction.

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You're trying to create some distance between the child and the other adult so

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that there's not so much disconnection and harm for your child.

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So it's the same thing as the hard no. Right? I say if a kid

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is hurting somebody, hurting another kid, like, usually a

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sibling, like, everyone stay safe here. This behavior does not work. You can

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be mad. You can't hit. Right? And I say if you

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wanna hit, go over there or you can hang out with us once you stop

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hitting. Whatever. I set a boundary. And then the child keeps

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hitting or they keep screaming or they keep doing whatever they're doing. I would go,

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oh, okay. This isn't safe. So you turn to the other child and you

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say, you go to my room for a minute. So this is the

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same concept if you have one person who's highly dysregulated and

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you try to check them and they won't reset,

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then you just move the other children. Yeah?

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Okay. Now this part, this last part is

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really important. So we have prevention, a, now

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we have resolution. How do you resolve these

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kinds of things? How do we get our kids to,

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you know, feel, like they understand what

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happened to them? When you think about

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traumatic events, a lot of times, the reason why

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they've become traumatic events is because the person

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experiencing that bad thing personalizes it

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and they mull it over a they don't ever process it with somebody. They never

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get it out. So the resolution conversation, what we're

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doing is we're gonna narrate what happened and we're gonna give words

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to it Become the goal here is to separate the

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actions of the co parent from

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the child. We wanna help the child understand

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that these behaviors that my my

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parent did are about my parent, not

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about me being a bad kid. There's not I want your kids

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to go like, there's nothing wrong with me. That was a person who was a.

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Like, even having the word. So what we

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we don't want is for your child to internalize the messages

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that they might have received from their parent. We don't want we want

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them to know this has nothing to do with me. I might have acted

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poorly. I might have made a mistake, but their

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actions are because of their feelings.

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My parent acted that way. My parent yelled at me. My parent was mean to

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me. My parent did whatever they did because they had big

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feelings that they didn't know how to handle.

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So how do you do that? You go through and you

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first create facts for your child, then you name the emotion.

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So the facts are daddy said this or mommy

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said this or this thing a, and then he he said this

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a then he kicked this and he threw this and he said that.

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Like, whatever happened, I want you to describe it Become

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your child will make up a story about it, and they'll add facts

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to it as if the if they don't get anybody to process it with them.

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And, you know, they have a big imagination. So we wanna just kinda really

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name what happened, narrate narrate what happened,

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and then pick one feeling that they might have been feeling while

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it was happening. I wonder if you were feeling a little

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scared or I wonder if you're feeling confused. So

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you pick a emotion and that your child might be

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feeling a then you name that emotion and let them say

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what they're gonna say. Yes. He was really mean. I don't like when daddy

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does that. I don't like when mommy says that. I don't like how she talks

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to a. And you give them a place to dump some of that

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feeling and some of those thoughts so that they don't internalize

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it. So they'll try to make sense of it in their own head.

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Now not every kid is going to talk. Some

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of them might feel disloyal. They don't wanna talk badly about their co their

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parent. That makes sense. We don't need

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them to talk a lot in order for this to be

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effective. All we wanna do is

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put the behavior on the outside and talk about

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it as a thing, as a circumstance that the child experienced

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So it doesn't get mixed up into, like, I'm a bad kid

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and that's why my parent acted this way. It's

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like, no. Your parent acted this way because they had big feelings.

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They didn't know what to do with. Now your

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co parent may may not like this. Right? And it's like, well,

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this is what is true. You were dysregulated. No. I

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wasn't. They shouldn't be acting like that. They need to learn. No. No. No. You

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go, okay. Well, there's better ways to teach that.

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The truth is the way that you handled yourself doesn't work.

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You were dysregulated. So

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if you don't live with your co parent and your child

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goes back and forth or they spend time, you know, with their with their parent

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and you don't know about what's happening, I really want you to know your job

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is not to become a detective and unearth all the dirt. That's

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not what we're I want you to do. Try to figure out what happened and,

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like, I know you do this if you if you don't live with your,

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with your co parent. And instead, I

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want you just to be attuned, just paying attention, noticing your

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Childress, and talking about their behavior that they're currently

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doing. Like, they come home after being at their co parent at

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the other parent's house a they're really grumpy with you a they're, you know, they

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a about everything. And so you just wanna narrate a name and use the

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connection tool. So let them process some of that emotion that might

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be a. And without, you don't have ever have to really

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know what happened. So they may

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tell you eventually, especially if you're really neutral

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and curious about their feelings, not about the experience,

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just like a is it like to be you, little kid? What is it like

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to go back and forth? What is it? What part is hard? What part is

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confusing? You don't need to ask all these questions. You're just open

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to seeing what they reveal to you.

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Okay. Now the

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remember, the key takeaway here is that

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the parenting you're doing is not in vain

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because your co parent isn't on board. Your

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child's other parent isn't unraveling all of your hard work. What you are doing

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is not pointless. So you your

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child only needs a person to emotionally coach them in order to be

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emotionally literate, in order to grow up and be emotionally healthy.

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Isn't that amazing? You are the only person

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that your child needs in order to become the human that they are meant

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to be. Like, you are enough.

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What you're doing is enough. No matter

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how the other adults in your kids' life show up, you're

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enough. So really let that sink

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in. And next week, I'll talk about

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the when your co parent isn't on the same page in terms of limits

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and rules and things like that and following through.

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Alright. This week, I want you to give yourself a little pat on

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the back because you're doing a hard thing. You're parenting your kids in a way

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that hasn't happened before, and I'm really proud of you. And I want you to

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be proud of yourself and have that hard conversation with your co

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parent. It's not hard. Just have that conversation. Go over and

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say, hey. What's our approach here? Here's mine. Are

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you aligned with this? See what they say. Be curious.

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Alright, mamas. I will talk to you next week.

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