In this episode of The Mom CEO Suite Podcast, Kay Hillman (CEO & Sales Coach) shares her strategies for achieving a peaceful and profitable business with minimal effort, focusing on mindset shifts in selling, relationship building, and leveraging the "bare minimum" business model for mompreneurs.

About Kay

Kay is a CEO & Sales Coach and the CEO of Moms Do Business Different, which is a community that focuses on supporting moms in navigating the rhythm of motherhood and building a thriving company. It's a safe space for moms to navigate the seasons of motherhood, mom fog, and joy so that they can find peace and profit with their journey while doing the bare minimum.

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All right. Hey friends, welcome to another episode. Thank you so much for

being here. So I don't always say I'm super excited about these episodes, but I

really be excited. But today we have Ms. Kay Hillman

and I just love her energy. I'm also a part of her membership, which she's

going to tell you guys about a little bit later. But Kay, she

is a CEO and CEO. Sales Coach and the CEO

of Moms Do Business Different, which is a community that

focuses on supporting moms and navigating the rhythm of motherhood

and building a thriving company. It's a safe space for moms

to navigate the seasons of motherhood, mom fog,

and joy so that they can find peace and profit with their journey

while doing the bare minimum. I love

it. Hey, Kay. How are you? Welcome to the suite. Hey boo.

Hey, I'm so excited to be here.

That is so funny, like, I literally hear that in my head, like, when we're

in select and you're talking, like, I hear your voice saying that, it's so funny.

Hilarious. So natural me. But I'm so glad we

finally got you to come on to the podcast. So tell us

a little bit more about you, who is Kay and just tell us more about

your business. Yes. Yes. Yes. My name is Kay Hillman. I'm a

believer. I love reading the Bible and talking about Jesus. Literally any chance I can

get. Um, I am a wife. I've been married for seven

years now and I'm a mom of two toddlers. I think. It's four years

old, still a toddler. I don't know, but I'm a mom of two, two boys.

Um, I founded two companies, Moms Who Business Different, like you said earlier. It's

a sales and business like strategy consulting business. And then I

also have a photography business, K Hillman Photography, and it used to be a

brand photography studio. And now we've merged into being a family and

maternity photography studio. So that's been really fun. That's a new thing this

season of life. Um, I started these businesses.

Really after I just could not get a job after going to med school, I

did drop out of med school. So I wasn't expecting to become a doctor or

anything like get a, a doctor role, but you know, I did

try to get a job. Um, I went and got my master's and, uh, even

after that, I still could not get a job. And so I applied to like

local charter schools. This is right after I got married. And so, um, I, I

couldn't get hired anywhere. So I started driving for Uber. I started driving for Instacart

and I did that for a good minute. Like I did it for a really

good minute. Yeah. And during that season, I ended up just picking up a

camera as a kid. I always was kind of interested in like photography and

creativity, but, you know, in, in my household, uh, my

biological mother is Haitian. So like growing up in that way, they're like, you're

going to be a doctor, a lawyer, like something, you know, prominent. So that's kind

of like the energy that I grew up with, but. As an adult, I was

like, you know what? Let me just try something new. Nobody's giving me a job

anyway. So why not try something? So that's when I picked up a camera and

it was a wrap, honey. Um, it's so crazy that my parents wanted me to

like be a doctor or something because literally they are entrepreneurs

too. So it would make sense that I would follow in that footstep since I

was raised that way, but whatever. We just let parents do what they do. So

From that point, I started like building my businesses on social media. Like I

was posting about this is back before we really had like the algorithm that

anybody really cared about for real, for real. So I was like

getting clients on social media and a lot of people local to me were asking

like, how are we getting clients? Especially as a photographer, people just were so curious

about how do you get clients on social media? And I will say like back

then it was just completely, it was a whole different era. Okay. So

it was different, but I started teaching like classes and workshops and it literally just

spiraled into. I, when I first

started this, like it was called, she's a creative and I was really looking for

community in the local area since I was new to Atlanta. And when I think

back, there's just no way I could have known or planned that

what I have today. Like, it's, it's truly surreal. It's

definitely like a God moment. Like, whoa, you really, like, really brought

me from the trenches. And now look at where we are. So, yeah. It's been

really exciting. I definitely have had like some low moments like even in

saying all this Most of this stuff happened as I was having my oldest

child Um and my first child like that was just a whole doozy.

Like it was a rough pregnancy everything was just really really

crazy and actually like the hour after I gave birth

a client cussed me out like literally called me on the phone and cussed me

clean out I mean i've never been called so many b words in my life

Not posting content and creating something for them. It was a hot mess express

and I quit my business after that. And I knew that like after

that experience, I was like, you know what? If I come back to this,

I have to figure out how to do business in a way that is peaceful.

Like you, you are not going to stress a girl out. Okay, it has to

be profitable and it has to be bare minimum. Like I just I want to

do the bare minimum because now my mom like there's just way more responsibility with

more things on my plate. Okay. I'm not going to let these people stress me

and I'm not going to be broke either. You know, like it's just not happening.

That's not cute. And that's what I did. I honed my sales skills. I've always

been really good at sales. And so I really like honed those skills a lot

better. And then I kind of leveraged, and this is something that I talk about

a lot, like leverage your previous skills. I had a lot of skills working with

like multiple six figure companies, seven figure companies and helping them with their business

operations and with their like. business like systems. And so I was like,

okay, I'm going to create something sustainable off the back of this. And now literally

every year I serve like hundreds of clients. It's, it's almost crazy sometimes when I

think about it, like, yo, there's like hundreds of people on the list for this

year. And that's just crazy. Like, it's just crazy to me. And I have a

very small team. I don't work more than 20 hours a week. If I work

more than 20 hours a week, it's like, whoa, like, what are you doing this

week? Um, I must be doing something extra, but like, I really be I

just be chilling. I'd be vibing. And it's just, it's so cool. And I love

helping other moms do the same. So that's me in a nutshell. Oh my

goodness. That was so good. I love hearing people's journey because.

You know, I think, and especially in the online space, everything feels so curated

and everyone talks about success, but we don't really see

the journey that people took to get to where they are. So I love hearing

how it was like, it wasn't like, Oh, you just started a business and it

was ultra successful from the beginning. It was like, okay, this started because I couldn't

get a job. I was doing Uber and God kind of just led you to

where you are. So you talked about You only work like 20

hours a week, right? And you talk about doing the bare minimum. So can you

talk a little bit more about what that means and how is it

that you're able to have a profitable business and only work those

20 hours per week? Yes, girl. That's my favorite thing to talk about,

honey. I love bare. Oh, bare minimum is like the thing. And I know

it's like some people, like in some contexts, I can see why people feel like

bare minimum is a bad thing, but baby, it is not a bad thing over

here. Okay. At all. Bare minimum is simple. Like,

The whole concept behind this, it's called, um, I call it a bare minimum business

model. And so essentially you're creating a business model that

is super simple and it prioritizes high impact

activities. I call them income producing activities. So, you prioritize like

those activities and then you prioritize delegating and automation. So

basically you are figuring out how can I simplify this business? How can I

streamline the business and how can I do the least to get the

maximum results. So like when you look up bare minimum in the dictionary, it actually

says like something about something to the degree of like, the smallest

amount of effort in order to get a desired result. That's all this is right.

You're creating a business that requires the smallest amount of effort for you

in order to get a maximum result. So if your result that you want is

10, 000, figure out what is the smallest thing, like what's the least that you

can do in order to make that money. And it doesn't mean that we're lazy.

It doesn't mean that we're Not serving our clients well, like my, my clients

are a vibe. Okay. We have a lot of fun and we make a lot

of money. Right. But we're not doing all the things because. Priority number

one as moms are our children, right? Like we want to spend time with our

children. We want to be present with our kids. We want to be able to

do and get them whatever we want, you know, and then also for ourselves, like

I, I want to have nice things. I like nice things. I like enjoying my

life, you know? And so because of that, creating a bare minimum business model,

it, for me, it goes beyond being sustainable and it goes to like, You're laser

focused on what it is that you're called to do in this season. And how

can you do it with excellence without burning yourself out or running yourself into the

ground? And so like, just recently, um, I had a client

who like, she was doing like three to talks a day, which is insane

to me. I can't even imagine. I know that that's the strategy they teach over

there, but baby, it's giving hard pass. Okay. She was

doing like three to talks a day and it was like just draining her. It

was like taking her out. And so We reverse engineered. We figured out, okay, how

can we simplify this? And that's my biggest question. Whenever I'm like helping someone with

this is like, how can we simplify what you're doing? And so we figured out,

okay, here's the most, high converting content, right? And then we're

like, okay, now let's just pull back, right? We're going to pull back. She posts

now, I think like three to four times a week, and we've just hyper focused

on it. Things like DM selling, right? Like how she's actually converting, moving people through

the customer journey, and when you get clear on that, when you like have an

actual strategy, you're not just throwing out content because everybody says you should post,

you know, this many times you'll actually see results. And so last month, like she

just messaged us inside the Slack channel. And she's like, you know, last month we

had an 8k month and she hasn't made that much in a long time of

posting three times a day. Like that is insane. But that is

also bare minimum. So bare minimum is Essentially streamlining so

that you can focus on what's most important and things that actually move the needle

without stressing yourself out. Very, very easy Yes. Yes.

No, I love it. And I remember I started listening to your podcast and

you were talking about bare minimum. I'm like, Ooh, what is this? Cause you know,

as moms, it's like, you said, we're already busy. The kid's all over the

place. The girl. don't need to be doing a whole bunch of things. Like if

I can do least and still get the work done and it'd

be efficient, then let's do it. So I absolutely love that. I'm glad

you mentioned that, example of your client who, you

know, she wasn't posting three times a day to get

the sales. Like I think again, because

we're online or social media, we think we have to be on there all day,

every day to make things happen. And. That's not necessarily

the case. So I'm glad you mentioned that. Um, now let's talk about sales

cause you're a sales coach. That's your thing. And you know, we

just in the money mama membership, we just did that. the

sales challenge, which was super helpful for me. So, let's talk about

sales. What are the major like

roadblocks you see when it comes to selling

specifically for like women and moms in business?

So, okay. This is actually a really good question. And

I feel like the roadblocks usually fall in like two

categories. It's either your priorities, like your priorities

aren't aligned, or like, you're not focused on the right things, or it's your

mindset. It's usually one of those two things that like ends up being the problem

because I feel like a lot of us moms, depending on where you are in

your business, you got the strategy, right? Like my client, the three

times a day posting. It wasn't a bad strategy. It just didn't work for her.

Right? So it's not necessarily that the, we, we are missing the strategy

or we don't, you know, we don't. It's a lot of times we don't know

how to prioritize what's actually the most important thing or our

mindset is just like we're having a lot of mind drama and I love to

say mind drama because that's what it is. Like, sometimes we just make things up

in our mind or we kind of hike something up and it's like, either it's

not that deep or, you know, we're kind of like, uh, Jumping so far to

a conclusion that it's unnecessary. So I feel like the,

well, I'll talk about like the two mindset shifts that I tend to give people

a lot. And I have to talk to people a lot. So the number one

mindset shift is selling is the bare minimum, right? Like I love

bare minimum. So I'm always going to say this, but like selling is the bare

minimum, like selling. is the priority. So when you're thinking about what are your priorities

besides serving your clients, right? Like I never want to like selling doesn't come before

serving clients in my book, but besides, um, you know, serving your clients,

selling is the bare minimum. Selling is the priority and that's because

without selling, you won't have sales, which means you won't have clients.

So it's just, it's a, it's a downward spiral from there. And I feel like

sometimes a lot of people We'll focus on, you know, I have to

create content or I have to do this. I have to do that a third.

And it's like, no, you don't, you just need to go and sell your offer.

And there are so many ways that you can do it. Like, I mean, we

could talk about that for days, but honestly, it doesn't have to. And this kind

of leads me to my second shift. It's like selling and making money can be

simple. Like we don't need like complicated funnels. Like I know a lot of people

like to jump to like a funnel or someone said, I need a lead magnet

and then the lead night and needs to have a upsell and I have to

do this and I have to do that. No girl, you don't have to do

all that. Like making money and selling can be super simple. It can be as

simple as posting your Instagram stories that you have an offer, right. Or

posting that, you know, posting a review, right. Posting something that you did for someone

or posting like that. You're currently working on a project. I just recently, actually a

couple of days ago, I posted that I was working on something and someone asked

for that service and I signed the client. Like. And that was an Instagram

stories. And it's an offer that is a secret offer. Like I don't sell it

publicly or anything, but I was sharing just what I was doing in the moment.

And someone was interested in the offer. And if you have that shift, like, and

that's a mindset shift, that making money and selling can be simple. If you have

that shift, you start to see more opportunities around you to actually make money, like

to talk about your offers so that you can make money. And so I

find that we fall in those two camps of like, Either your priorities are wrong

or you're focusing on creating a website. Not that these things are important, right? Websites

are important. Sales pages, like all those things, funnels are even important, right? But there's

a time and a place, like if you're not making money or if your sales

are slowing up, then you need to sell, right? Like that's, I feel like we

need to like make this a just common, like known thought

that if you don't have sales or if you don't have clients, you need to

sell. Making, making a website, creating a funnel, those things

can help long term, but in the moment when you don't have a client, that's

not really adding the most value where you need to focus is making sales. You

can slap together a dubsado form for them to pay you. You can make a

checkout form and thrive car or Sam car or something so that they can actually

pay you. But in order for them to get to that point, you have to

have sold to them in the first place. And so I feel like those are

like the two biggest roadblocks is like either your priorities are off and you're not

focused on selling, which should be like, Selling should be just like the bare, like,

if you don't do anything else, you should sell your offer. And then the other

end, just changing your thoughts around what selling requires and

that making money can be super simple. Those are, I feel like are like the

two biggest roadblocks I've seen. Yeah, that's really good. And I know

I've, I've dealt with that as well. Like I've, I've

been that person who is like, Oh, let me get the website first. Let me

get my whole funnel set up just because the way my brain is, you know,

I'm a systems girl and I want to have all the things set up. But

like you said, Selling is the bare minimum and that shift really

needs to happen so you can get to that profitability. So

you mentioned this mindset shift. I

think people, like you said, overcomplicate what it takes to sell,

right? So if they're not doing the website, can you give like some tangible examples?

If they're not doing the website, if they're not creating the funnels, like,

What are just some simple, basic ways that people can actually be selling? And I

think it's going to be things that they're probably already doing that they don't

know it's selling. So like, what are some actual selling

activities? Yes. Okay. So this is a really good question. And I

think I want to take a half a step back and preface this by like,

These things take time. So like you said, a lot of times we're already doing

these things, but when we don't see the result of it quickly, we get

discouraged or we feel like, you know, this is not working. Um, but

I want to, I want to first set the tone by saying like, what you're

doing probably is working. You just haven't given it enough time. So with

sales, with selling, it doesn't happen overnight. So if you can commit

to the things that I'm about to say, if you can commit to those for

like, you know, I would say at least. Like give it 45 days

to 60 days. You'll start to see a conversion somewhere. Right. But

then also don't be as discouraged if it doesn't happen in the 60 days, right?

Sometimes offer awareness takes a little bit of time. And sometimes if your offer is

like super high ticket or super premium, it might take some time for someone to

actually convert, but it doesn't mean that your efforts aren't working, but to

answer your question, the number one thing I'm always saying is sell daily. Now

I know I feel like I've broken record almost with this, but. The thing is,

like you said, we just did a challenge and inside the challenge. One thing that

I noticed is that by selling every single day and not

overthinking it, and what I mean by this is literally posting your

stories or post on threads, right? Threads is a really pop in place that I

think people are underestimating in terms of your ability to connect with

people, generate leads, and then. Ultimately convert someone the

more consistent that you can be over there though, the better. So if you are

a more written person, like if you write better than you talk, or if you

write content, like I have a client right now who she's an excellent writer. Like

she's a little shy when it comes to like speaking or on video, but baby,

let her write something. Maybe she will write you under the table. And I'm like,

Okay. So we need to like leverage the strategy, right? That writing for you

is bare minimum. And so when it comes to selling though, and selling every

day, you have to find like, what is your strength and then go lean on

that so you can sell by posting about your offer on threads. You can talk

about a client experience, right? Like I think sometimes we overcomplicate what's

required in order to sell or what you need to sell. say, and it's not

that at all, right? A lot of times people connect with one random thing

you say, and from there they're ready to buy from you, right? Like

there are a lot of people who literally connect with me saying bare minimum, and

they're like, okay, take my money. And I'm like, great. And then there are other

people that, like, love when I say, take my money and they buy for me

from, like, And that was me not overcomplicating. That was me being myself. That was

me talking about my offers. And when I say talk about your offers, I literally

mean just talk about, like, literally just say this offer does

this, right? If you are this type of person, you would be a great fit

for my offer. Like you could say something that basic and I promise you the

girls will come from the woodworks. Okay. They will come from, because people want

clarity. Right. And this kind of leads to my, my second point of like,

clarify or like really clean up your messaging, right? The cleaner your messaging

is, the more you can articulate what it is that you are providing, like

the transformation or maybe the tangible details, the better you are at

that, the more likely you are going to connect with the right people. Um, and

something that I like to do is tell stories, right? So tell stories about. Your

clients or your experience or talk people through what it could look like

for them. Because when you tell a story, it really like grabs people and they're

like, Oh, I can see myself there. Like this sounds like a vibe, right? Or

this sounds like something for me. It doesn't have to be a vibe. I like

vibes, but it could just be regular, right? Like it's just be, this is what

you need point blank period, right? It doesn't have to be that, that deep. But

I think that those two things, like. Are super like they go hand in hand

and they're so crucial, but I really want to like emphasize like sell daily because

like inside that challenge that we just did, like, I don't know if you saw,

but like, there were several people in there that were like, Oh, I did this

and I got a sale today. And then there was another girl, like, at the

end of the challenge who literally Go Like the last week, every

day, she was like, I got two sales. I got three sales. I got two

sales. I got, and I'm like, dang girl, like, hold up. Like, you know, I

mean, obviously I don't want to slow down, but like, woo. Okay. Like we're here

we are. And that's the power of selling daily. And literally

it was just her going into her groups, going into telegram, going into,

um, What is it that look, it's like a Facebook thing. Oh, WhatsApp.

Um, so she uses WhatsApp. Like she would just go in these different places on

threads and she would just go and say, Hey, this is my offer. This is

what it does, right? Selling can be that simple. Going back to like the

mindset shift, like selling can be that simple. We don't need to like have this

long drawn out process. It could just be literally you talking about and you

showing your offer and you telling stories about your offer. And I'll say the

last thing, like the last tip is to

prioritize. Relationships and this is the one that takes some

time, right? This is the one that takes some time This is the one that

everybody hates to do even I mean Especially as moms because we're so limited on

time and then you know our emotional capacity can get taxed on this,

right? But it's worth it because you get the highest

quality clients ever when you have the relationship with them But

there is something so valuable about being very strategic about

Um, engaging with people, like having conversations, seeing people's,

um, stories, responding to your comments, responding to dms. Like when

you build that relationship with someone, when the time comes and you sell your

offer or when you're consistently talking about your offer, all they're doing in the back

of their mind is thinking about how can they logistically make it work, right?

How can I give her my money? Because you've built that relationship. It's kind of

like having a friend like They, they, people build these relationships and they feel

like you're their friend. You're their person. You're someone they can trust. And I feel

like without this component, sometimes like. It becomes a little challenging to

sell because if you don't have those relationships, then you don't

really have as much to kind of, um, lean on, or maybe like root back

into like, you, you kind of feel like you're screaming out into a void. So

by, um, doing this relationship building piece, I feel like this

is what I call this part of the lead generation. And by doing this,

you will be able to see like a running list, like. These are the

people that I have connected with and you'll also see where there are opportunities

for you to serve and that is like really good because whenever you're feeling kind

of stuck, what one thing I love to do is like, I have this list

of people that I know I've been talking to and engaging with and I'll just

go through, you know, once every week or once every other week and I'll just

check in and be like, you know, how are you doing? I remember you said

that you had this problem. Actually, I'm doing a workshop on this or I'm doing

this or my program is about to open. Would you be interested? Right? And it

can. And now we have an open door to have a conversation, a

sales conversation, right? I'm selling to them. And again, this does take a little

bit of time, but relationship building I have found

has, um, Has yielded a lot of money to a lot of my

clients by really focusing in on here. So I'll say that that is like the

last, well, I don't want to say last. I feel like that should probably be

the first piece. Um, followed by selling daily and then cleaning up your messaging. All

of those things will kind of happen together, but those would be like my three

main things. Yes, I love that. And I love that you keep it simple.

And you know, when you were talking, you said be yourself when you're selling. Right.

I think. I think there's this misconception that we have to have these cell scripts

and there's like a certain way that we have to do it. And that's just

not necessarily the case. Like, you make cells being yourself. and

so all of the things you kind of talked about, you focus on in your

membership. So, Yes. do you want to tell us a little bit more about it?

Sure, sure. And actually like just to go off your last

point right there. Yes, like that is so key. And it's one

of the reasons why I mean, I will create a sales script, but more so

I create like a sales outline for people to follow because as you can see,

I say things like vibe and hey boo. Hey, and it's like, That

doesn't translate for everybody or everybody's audience. So I feel like that's why it's super

important to not always like lean on a, a sales

script that somebody else gives you, but you can create one for yourself. And so

like, I always recommend people to create like their own kind of like how you

have your SLPs and stuff. It's like, you almost do the same thing, but for

your sales style, because eventually you might get to a point where you have. So

many clients coming in and you want more and you're like, Hey, I want to

hire somebody else to do it. And now they can speak your language and it

can just stay like super on brand for you. So I love that you made

that point though, because it is like important. We don't have to sell like anybody

else does. You like, there's so many ways to do it. It's ridiculous. And just

like really be yourself. But in terms of Shmoney Mama, I am, this is like

my baby. I just love this program so much. It is a,

membership. It's a lifetime access membership. And essentially inside what

we are focused on is sales. We're focused on doubling your lead generation and

then consistently making sales by doing very strategic

actions. So I have things like action plans. And so inside of those, it's really

focused around giving you the content and the language. So this is the messaging piece,

helping you clean up your messaging and really keep your messaging super clear. Um,

and what I really love about that is that everything is plug and play. So

like literally the captions are plug and play what you put on your reels.

It's like plug and play. I even put emails there. So you can like literally

just copy and paste the email and just fill in the blanks. And it's just,

it's perfect. Like it really saves us moms so much time. And to be honest,

like, fun fact, I'm a template girlie. Like I love templates. It just makes

my life so much easier. And I feel like, why should we reinvent the wheel?

If there are things that work, Just use it. Like we don't have to overthink

again, bare minimum. We do not need to be overthinking this stuff. Like

it is possible for these things to work. So I have these templates in there

and that's one piece of it. And then the other piece is just like our

curriculum, which everything is rooted back into the customer journey

and the like buyer psychology. And so what I try to do is create. Create

trainings that will allow you to go deeper in things like your client

messaging or like your core messaging, like your, um, your strategy for how

you're selling in the DMs, things like that. So things that I feel like you're

going to need in order to get to the next stage of the customer journey,

I have created curriculum around that. So that is pretty much it in a nutshell.

It's a one time membership fee, or you can pay over 12 months, the one

time fee, and then once you're in, you are a money mama for life gang,

gang. Yes, y'all. And it's so good. Like the trainings are so

good. I finally just now, like, I know I talked about this a couple of

months ago, but I just started filling up my leads list

last night. And so I'm like, okay, we about to, we about to get it

popping now. Um, but y'all get in the membership.

Get those relationships going girl and make that shmoney. Yes. I'm excited.

Um, so. I want to,

well, I don't want to shift yet, but for the mom who's

listening, who might not have the sales rolling in. Right. I know you

mentioned, um, you posted something in your story

and somebody responded to it and you made a sale. Right. So for the

mom, who's, community is not as engaged yet.

Have you ever been in that space in your business? And like, what did that

look like for you? And how did you kind of transition to get to the

space where you are now where people are like, Responding to

your selling. Yes. This is such a good question because I

experienced this when I went from running my business from my personal

brand page to like back to the business

brand page and I experienced a period where nobody

was engaging with anything like they, you know, story views were like

three likes was like not even one like, you know,

like it was just. It was a little bit insane. Um, but one

thing that I will say is that if you don't have an engaged community, the

only way to fix it is by creating content or,

and I just say creating content, but like you have to be engaging first. So

there's two options for this. You can create content yourself, or you can do what

I just said in the last section. Um, and then the last, the last thing

about relationship building, you can just focus on engaging with other

people so that they, so that when you do post, they come back and see

your stuff. Um, and both of those things were, is what I did.

So it was, it was, it sucked. I'm not gonna lie.

It really did suck. It sucked very bad.

Um, but like for about, I want to say maybe two or three ish

months, I was creating content and not a ton of content. And like, let's be

for real, like your girl is quick to ghost Instagram. So maybe on Instagram I

was posting like maybe twice. three times a week. Um, and then

I was pretty consistent and I have stayed consistent with my email

and I've stayed pretty consistent with my podcast. So I will say that because I

had those two things, it really made stuff easier. But like my podcast, I go

sit at for a year and it took about Um, I want to say eight

months before I was able to convert somebody from the podcast. So like, this is

just me. I, you know, I always had to be honest and just tell you

like what the game is on my podcast. Like I almost gave

up because I was like, there is no, like before I was getting clients through

the podcast, then I took that year off. And when I came back, it was

like, Where are the girls at? Like I was just, I was at my

wits end. And then around the eighth month, literally the month I was getting ready

to quit, that's when somebody converted from the podcast. And the only reason why I

knew was because they bought an offer that I only sell on the podcast. So

I was able to clearly see like, okay, they had to come from here. Um,

but you know, that took some time. So I, I'm saying all this to say

like. In anything, when it comes to business or life, like

a lot of times things happen in seasons and in order to kind of get

to build the momentum, you have to start, right? Like you have to start that

posting at the start, that being consistent, or you have to do the work of

building relationships. And so it is, it is hard. Like I'm not going,

I'm not going to sit here and sugarcoat it. It is hard. It is challenging,

but this is where the mindset shift comes in of like. But it's

worth it, right? So if this is what you want to do, you just have

to commit to getting to the end result that you're

looking for. And if that means it takes a little bit longer, it takes a

little bit longer. Um, I also will say like when it comes to

a less engaged audience, something else that works. And I've seen this work with

myself and with my clients is flooding

the, the whatever space you're in with content. So if that's

Instagram flood, Instagram with like a 10. Really put out as much content as you

possibly can with the podcast, like coincidentally, the month that I said I was going

to quit, I started doing like two or three podcasts episodes a week. And so

because of that, and again, I don't recommend this to everybody and I don't recommend

you do this long term, but if it's something that you can do as like

a last ditch effort, just try it and see what happens because you never know,

like, there might be a piece of content that picks up and. In that month,

a piece of content picked up and that's what like pushed it to where I

got a, I got a client from there. And then, and then you feel better,

right? You can celebrate and be like, okay, I can keep doing this because it

wasn't that bad. And now I only do one episode a week. So it's not

like I still do three episodes a week. I did not keep that up long.

It was probably for about maybe 60 days where I did that. So you can

also think about it in terms of like doing the sprint. I like to think

of like some, some marketing. Task is like a sprint. And so maybe you decide

like, okay, I'm gonna do a ton of content in like a short sprint of

time, and then go back to your normal cadence. And I think that will be

really helpful in kind of re engaging your community and then getting those sales coming

in. That's so good. I'm glad you shared that

because I just think that it's not abnormal if things are not

always. Rolling and flowing. And so

just want to share that for those who are listening now, I do want to

switch the gears a little bit. Now, back in episode, I think it was 84.

We had somebody come on talking about hormone health and cycle sinking.

And you know, I'm, I'm starting to do my research on it a little

bit. In episode, I think episode 86, I

talked about, you know, how I stopped following one of my systems. And one of

the reason I stopped was for my podcast was because I

had tasks that were around my, the menstrual

phase. And so I was just not doing the stuff because I didn't feel like

it. Right. So I know you do cycle syncing. So can you talk

about what that journey looked like for you and how it's impacted your

business? Yes. Oh my gosh. I love cycle thing. I don't talk about this

enough and people don't ask me about it. So this is exciting. But, uh,

I started cycle thinking probably, uh, I know it's been probably

at least two ish years now and I was cycle thinking a

little bit before, but I never really applied it to like my business. Um,

but what's been really cool is that when I. First learned about cycle seeking. It

was probably like after I had my oldest, but my, my cycle was still very

irregular, you know, like all the hormones stuff like that. So it was very irregular,

but with my youngest, when my cycle came back, it was very routine and I

was like, Hmm, maybe I have a chance at like trying this thing out. So

I went through like, you know, what they say, like, You have the four phases

of your cycle and all this kind of stuff. And I, I attempted

to take all my tasks, like all the main things that I do. And I

just dropped them into like the proper place in your cycle. So I'm sure

that there's more details like in your other episode, but essentially like what I did

is I just dropped those things over there and I tried it out for one

month. And it was amazing. Like, like

this is my ovulation week. That's why I scheduled the podcast so far out because

this is ovulation week. And apparently on ovulation, we think you have your most energy,

like your most magnetic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I was like, okay, I'm

just going to schedule it this far out. Like, and it was cool. But like,

I have noticed, and I will say this, like for a fact, I have noticed

that I've been able to be more consistent in my business

because I follow my cycle. And that has been like the biggest

benefit and the biggest reason why I continue to keep it and keep it. Cause

like, I used to not really keep up with my cycle. I know like, okay,

my period comes on these days. If it doesn't what's going on, but like, you

know, otherwise like I really wasn't that pressed about it. But now I'm like,

Hmm, this is giving follicular energy. And I'm just like, uh, you know,

it depends, but I think it's really cool to follow your

cycle for your business in particular, especially as moms. Because

sometimes we don't realize that. We are truly

taxed, like emotionally, we're exhausted from being a mom.

We're exhausted from being a wife. You're exhausted. And then on top of that, you

have the business, like you, like, sometimes we don't realize that we're so

stretched thin and it makes us actually not as productive in our business.

And that's what I've realized. I've realized that like, I am consistently getting

more things actually completed and done because I'm

following my actual cycle. And I just thought this was the hugest.

Business and life hack. Like even in my life, I try to like drop things.

Into my cycle, like my cycle syncing, whatever it is, but like, I try to

drop my life into that as well because it just makes it to where,

like, everybody gets the best of my energy, you know, like the best of my

energy. And I get the best of my energy. Like when I'm going through, I

think it's luteal. I start to like, kind of calm down a little bit. Like

I kind of pull back, I wrap up my projects and it feels so good.

Also like to my nerd brain, because there's a part of my brain that like,

loves like the data and like look all. Look at all the numbers and all

the things. And so I like, I will track things like my temperature. Like I'm

like, I'm like, so OD with this. This is ridiculous. Sometimes how

far I will go. It's just been such a, it's been a

really cool experience, but also I have found that it has made me

way more productive in the way I show up to my business. Like,

it's not that I never, it's not that I haven't always liked my business, but

you, you know, everybody knows the drill. Like sometimes you just hate. What, what season

you're in. And I'm finding that in the last couple of years, I've had

less of those experiences of like hating the season I'm in with my

business. And I think that's because I'm not operating out of alignment

with my actual self. So like, you know, if I'm not feeling good, then I'm

sitting here trying to do a photo shoot. And then all these other high vibe

activities, it's like, bruh, No, we need to go sit down somewhere, you know, so

now that I've kind of realigned those things, I'm finding that I just feel way

better. I show up better as a CEO. I show up better to my clients

and I show up really good, like as a mom. And even now, like my

husband, he, he, he's like, Oh, are you in a good deal phase? Like he

can kind of like, no, like, and I'm just like, bruh, leave me alone. You

know, but it's just really cool. Cause like, now we're all kind of on the

same page and like. It just, it just feels, I love it. I don't know

if I answered your question, but girl, it's a vibe. Like if you need to

do, like, if you need, if you need permission, you need to just do it.

Yes, no, I love hearing about when I first researched and found out about it

I'm like, yo, this is such a huge heck and it makes sense when

I thought back on different scenarios You know it would take

me like a week or two to do a simple test because I was in

like I was doing it in the Wrong phase and I knocked it out and

like one sitting in the right face so I'm

excited to start like really digging into it for myself, but I'm glad to

hear about your experience as well. So as we wrap

up, of course, let people know how they can connect with you.

But for that mom who is like in the

trenches, she has her little ones. She's trying to run her business right now. What

words of encouragement would you give her? Oh, girl,

I'm in the trenches with you, honey. Um, that's the first thing Right

I'm right there with you, girl. But, um, but no, seriously,

the biggest thing that I always tell myself is that, like, it's all a season.

Like all of this is temporary. It's not permanent or, you know, the kids will

not be little forever. You know, you will not have, you know, Limited

time or limited sleep forever. Like even now my kids getting a little bit older.

I mean, they're not that much older, but they're like getting older and I'm just

noticing I have a little bit more time, you know, or they're having

conversations with me and I actually understand like how they feel, where

they're coming from. And so I'm adjusting based off of those things. And so.

I just, I guess my biggest piece of encouragement is like, this is just temporary.

It's a season and it will end and then you'll have a new set of

challenges. But the truth is that like, you've already made it through one hurdle,

you know, you made it through pregnancy and then you made it through, you know,

the baby, the newborn stage. And you made it through, like, you're going to continue

to make it through each stage. So just know that like, this is temporary. It's

a season. And because you've already made it through something else, you can

endure in this season and just give yourself grace. Like that's my favorite word is

like grace, give yourself grace and a constant thing that I'm having to

tell my clients and even myself in the season is like, if you're not feeling

it and kind of like the cycle thing, it's like, if you're not feeling it,

if you're in a different phase of your cycle, just give it up. Like, just,

just relax and just chill. It's fine. If you take a day off,

a week off, even a month off, like I took a whole year off. It's

not going to make or break you. Like it's not going to make or break

you. You are still going to be able to come back. And the most important

thing is that you come back your best self. And if that means you need

to take a step, you need to be sick for the week. You need to

just get your mental health together for a month or two, do that. Like it's,

it's more important for you to take care of yourself and your family, which of

course is probably your number one priority. And then to try to force things with

the business, because it's just going to lead to more stress and it's not necessary.

So you're in a season, you will make it through and just give yourself some

grace. Absolutely love it. Kay, thank you so much for

coming on and just sharing your wisdom and your experiences

with us. Let people know how they can connect with you. So you can find

me on Instagram at moms do business different. And then I also have a podcast

called moms do business different, which you are going to be a guest on soon,

but yeah, so you can come over there, but yeah, that's it. Um, if you

follow me on Instagram, you can find like my email list. I try to send

out, um, this like monthly, or not monthly, but it's like a weekly, bi weekly

series called a dear mama CEO. And those are like love letters. Kind of

like what we talked about today, like just give me encouragement and wisdom and sharing

what I've been through. And so if you go on Instagram, you can find that

email list, but yeah, that's where you can hang out with me. Yes. And all

of that will be linked in the show description, so make sure you connect.

Kay is a vibe like she likes to say. Um, and yeah, just

get connected with all of the things. So Kate, again, thank you so much for

coming on. Thank you all for listening, and we'll see you in the next episode.

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