Recalling the day he reunited Brian Clough with former European Cup players Martin O'Neill and John Robertson, Keith Daniell describes the moments - behind the scenes - before Brian arrived.

"Robbo kept walking up and down. They were grown men but were like schoolboys waiting outside the headmaster's room."

That special reunion made entertaining television - and the story behind it makes fascinating listening.

It's one of a number of great memories that former ITV sports presenter Keith Daniell shares with podcast host Marcus Alton.

Keith now specialises in training executives in strategic communication skills. His company is TMG Training. And he should know all about it - he interviewed the man he describes as 'the ultimate communicator'.