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Stepping Out of the Boat with Ron Cool
1st April 2024 • Seek Go Create • Tim Winders - Coach for Leaders in Business & Ministry
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Have you ever felt trapped between the identity you've built and the spiritual call you're struggling to follow? In this poignant episode of Seek Go Create, host Tim Winders sits down with Ron Cool, host of "New Path, New You," to explore the transformative journey from successful entrepreneur to a life of true surrender to faith. Dive deep into real, raw stories of struggle, revelation, and the power of seeking God first in every aspect of life. Tune in for an inspiring dialogue that could challenge you to step out of your comfort zone and into a renewed sense of purpose. Don't miss this episode, where vulnerability meets victory on the path of spiritual leadership.

"The journey of surrendering is not about giving up, but about growing up into the person God designed you to be." - Ron Cool

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About Our Guest:

Ron Cool is a spiritual mentor and podcast host who leads by example, inspiring men to embrace faith and purpose in all facets of life. With a poignant personal history as a driven entrepreneur, Ron faced a pivotal identity shift that led him to prioritize his relationship with God and his family. His podcast, "New Path, New You," is a testament to his commitment, offering raw and meaningful conversations aimed at guiding men—and resonating deeply with women—on their spiritual journeys. Ron's story is characterized by surrender, obedience, and transformation, showcasing his dedication to helping men evolve into spiritual leaders for their families and communities while walking a path of faith and self-forgiveness.

Reasons to Listen:

1. Discover the transformative power of faith: Learn how Ron Cool's journey of surrender and obedience to God reshaped his personal and professional life, offering valuable insights for anyone seeking purpose and guidance.

2. Engage with raw, relatable stories: Ron's candid sharing of his struggles and victories provides a real-life testament to the struggles men face in balancing ambition with spiritual growth, resonating with listeners from all walks of life.

3. Gain practical advice on spiritual leadership: Uncover Ron's mission to help men become impactful spiritual leaders in their families and communities, and draw inspiration from the practical steps and experiences shared to strengthen your own faith and relationships.

Episode Resources & Action Steps:

**Resources Mentioned:**

1. "New Path, New You" podcast by Ron Cool – A podcast where Ron Cool assists men on their spiritual journey, available on various platforms.

2. "The Chosen" TV show – Mentioned by Ron Cool as influential in his spiritual understanding and growth.

**Action Steps:**

1. Spend scheduled time in prayer and reflection to prioritize your relationship with God, akin to how one would prioritize a committed marriage relationship.

2. Practice surrender by identifying areas of your life where you are resisting giving up control and consciously decide to trust in God's provision and plan in those aspects.

3. Listen and be open to God’s messages, whether through scripture, prayer, or community; evaluate the decisions and directions they suggest in your life to ensure they align with your spiritual values.

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Key Lessons:

1. **The Power of Consistency in Spiritual Growth:** Ron Cool reinforces the value of establishing a regular schedule for spiritual activities, such as prayer and Bible study. He parallels this discipline to the commitment required in a marriage, highlighting the importance of nurturing a relationship with God.

2. **Pursuing Authentic Connections Through Vulnerability:** By sharing personal stories filled with struggles and triumphs, Ron Cool illustrates that raw, transparent conversations can resonate deeply with others and foster authentic connections, particularly when discussing spiritual journeys.

3. **The Importance of Seeking God First:** Ron Cool emphasizes the significant impact prioritizing God has on other relationships and decision-making, advocating for a life in which God's guidance is sought first, to align actions and choices with divine purpose and wisdom.

4. **Navigating Life Transitions Through Faith:** Through his personal narrative of closing his business and embracing a new path, Ron Cool details how trusting in divine provision and being open to God's plans can lead to unexpected sources of support and opportunities.

5. **Surrender as a Pathway to True Peace and Purpose:** The discussion delves into the themes of surrender, brokenness, and sanctification, teaching that true peace and growth often come after one is willing to relinquish control, forgive oneself, and fully embrace God's will for their life.

Episode Highlights:

00:00 Focused on making money, chameleon with clients.

09:24 Rejected proposal, reconsidering spiritual connection, and sales pitch.

13:43 Overcoming fear, taking a necessary step forward.

20:46 Change in personality acknowledged during church meeting.

23:18 Two partners embrace Christianity, engage with clients.

29:08 Connected colleagues with job opportunities in micro-content.

36:18 Seeking specific car, found surprising alternative.

41:58 None of us wanted to do that.

44:08 Release the past, surrender to God's will.

49:55 Dealing with life's challenges, surrender and sanctification.

56:46 Importance of stillness and quiet for workaholics.

01:02:12 Helping men on spiritual journey, real, raw.

01:05:20 Sharing struggles and faith to inspire others.

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Ron Cool:

you're not willing to forgive yourself and you're not

Ron Cool:

surrendering yourself to God's will.

Ron Cool:

And you're trying to figure it out all by yourself.

Ron Cool:

And if you don't let go of all of that, you're just going to be stuck or you're

Ron Cool:

going to find yourself repeating the same thing over and over again, which I did.

Ron Cool:

Oh,

Tim Winders:

What does it take to transform life's challenges into a

Tim Winders:

beacon of hope and leadership for others?

Tim Winders:

Welcome to Seek, Go Create, where today's guest, Ron Kuhl, brings a unique blend

Tim Winders:

of family values, spiritual guidance, and entrepreneurial spirit as a dedicated

Tim Winders:

husband, father, and the visionary behind the New Path, New You podcast,

Tim Winders:

Ron leads by example, inspiring men to embrace their roles in their families,

Tim Winders:

workplaces, and communities with faith, New You podcast is brought to

Tim Winders:

you And purpose, Ron, welcome to seat.

Tim Winders:

Go create.

Ron Cool:

Oh, thank you so much for having me.

Ron Cool:

Thanks for the introduction.

Tim Winders:

You and I've had a brief chat a while back, man.

Tim Winders:

We connected well and loved it and said, man, we need to talk

Tim Winders:

more with the microphone going.

Tim Winders:

So here we are.

Tim Winders:

And I gave you a slight warning on this and we're both

Tim Winders:

excited about this question.

Tim Winders:

So let's start this way.

Tim Winders:

Somebody asked Ron, what do you do?

Tim Winders:

What's your answer?

Tim Winders:

When somebody asks you that.

Ron Cool:

Gosh, that is, as soon as you told me that question, I was like,

Ron Cool:

man, that is the hardest question.

Ron Cool:

And it's like, what is your elevator pitch?

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

But it's such a, it's a, it's a unique question because it kind

Ron Cool:

of depends who I'm talking to.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And so for the longest time I had two different versions of me

Ron Cool:

and now it's okay, I just want everything to be very singular.

Ron Cool:

So for me, My mission is to help men become spiritual leaders in their family

Ron Cool:

and actually, actually lead their family well and not lose their family because

Ron Cool:

I found myself a while back in that spot and God really Slap me across the

Ron Cool:

face, if you will, to get my attention.

Ron Cool:

And in the past I've helped people launch podcasts.

Ron Cool:

I'm very passionate about that, but now it's really turning that passion

Ron Cool:

to help Christians launch podcasts.

Ron Cool:

And, I enjoy doing that.

Ron Cool:

but for me, it's about leading men.

Ron Cool:

I lead a men's ministry at my church and and helping them really understand

Ron Cool:

who God's calling them to be in their families and it's a lot different

Ron Cool:

than what society tells you to

Tim Winders:

All right.

Tim Winders:

So you opened up the store.

Tim Winders:

So I'm going to go through it.

Ron Cool:

go for

Tim Winders:

said you, you used to give two different responses.

Tim Winders:

Let's go back in time and tell me when it was that if someone asked you what

Tim Winders:

you do and give me the two responses that you gave, because we, we kind

Tim Winders:

of uncover a bunch of stuff here.

Tim Winders:

We like the journey and things like that.

Tim Winders:

So tell me old Ron or Ron before you were cool or something like that.

Tim Winders:

I don't know.

Tim Winders:

what was

Ron Cool:

before I was cool.

Ron Cool:

I wasn't born.

Ron Cool:

So that that's that one's easy, but

Tim Winders:

thing and I want the audience because the audience is going,

Tim Winders:

is this guy's name really Ron cool.

Tim Winders:

And yes, it's a name that you were given at birth.

Tim Winders:

Correct.

Ron Cool:

That is correct.

Ron Cool:

Try ordering something online.

Ron Cool:

It's not as cool, quote unquote, as you would think it is.

Ron Cool:

um, but All right,

Tim Winders:

back up, back up.

Tim Winders:

Give me the, give me the, the two, the two headed Ron answer for what you do and

Tim Winders:

tell me roughly when it would have been,

Ron Cool:

okay, that's super easy.

Ron Cool:

So it was about.

Ron Cool:

Almost four and a half, five years ago.

Ron Cool:

And there was, there was, there was like a home run, which was a totally

Ron Cool:

different person than people saw outside.

Ron Cool:

And then there was the, at work Ron or the entrepreneur Ron,

Ron Cool:

which was extremely driven.

Ron Cool:

and if people ask me what I did, I helped them, increase their

Ron Cool:

visibility, traffic and sales.

Ron Cool:

It was really simple.

Ron Cool:

I, I created an agency around that and.

Ron Cool:

It was driven money.

Ron Cool:

It was to make money.

Ron Cool:

And that's what my focus was.

Ron Cool:

And I, my problem is I am a, I'm a workaholic and that

Ron Cool:

was a lot of fun for me.

Ron Cool:

So I said whatever I needed to say to get people to look

Ron Cool:

at it in their frame of mind.

Ron Cool:

So I can chameleon to whatever.

Ron Cool:

Someone needed to hear to get them to understand they needed X

Ron Cool:

product to help them with their visibility trafficking and sales in,

Ron Cool:

in their entrepreneurial journey.

Ron Cool:

Um, and I took a lot of credit for that.

Ron Cool:

I took all the credit for that.

Ron Cool:

And, fast forwarding to who I am now, God really was showing me like, if

Ron Cool:

you look back, if you look back at that journey, there was never an ad.

Ron Cool:

There was never, Anything we did to get a client, clients came to us and those

Ron Cool:

clients were all faith based Christian entrepreneurs and I took all the credit

Ron Cool:

and never gave credit to God and he asked me to shut that down, right?

Ron Cool:

And by shutting that down, I had to really focus on who I was

Ron Cool:

because my identity was that guy.

Ron Cool:

My identity was that Ron cool and that identity.

Ron Cool:

I even, I would get confused at home.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And then I would find myself selling my wife into an idea, right?

Ron Cool:

And it wasn't like I meant to do it.

Ron Cool:

It was just, that's who I became.

Ron Cool:

And it's funny because on the journey I had to explain to my wife, Hey, who I was.

Ron Cool:

I created a persona of who I thought everyone wanted me to

Ron Cool:

be probably in eighth grade.

Ron Cool:

Like it's not a small, short ask.

Ron Cool:

It was.

Ron Cool:

This is who I needed to be to become popular.

Ron Cool:

This is who I needed to be, to be the most liked person.

Ron Cool:

This is who I needed to be to climb the corporate ladder.

Ron Cool:

It didn't matter, but I was never just who God asked me to be.

Tim Winders:

did you have a relationship with him growing along or were, were you,

Tim Winders:

were you, would you just plug in and all when it was, when it was convenient or

Tim Winders:

when you thought it needed to happen?

Ron Cool:

I think it's funny because, God, God is really, we just had a small

Ron Cool:

group and they're like, okay, was God really like trying to talk to you or

Ron Cool:

get your attention up into that point?

Ron Cool:

And what's funny is prior to meeting my wife, Um, I did not have a relationship,

Ron Cool:

he used her to bring me to him and she's always made me a better person.

Ron Cool:

When we first, when we first started dating, like she, she's

Ron Cool:

very, very much, Very Christian.

Ron Cool:

Let's just put it that way.

Ron Cool:

She knows the Bible.

Ron Cool:

She can spit verses like that.

Ron Cool:

I, I cannot, I could roundabout say something, but it's like

Ron Cool:

first John 15, whatever.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

She knows it.

Ron Cool:

And when we started dating, she's like, Hey, our foundation

Ron Cool:

has to be rooted in God.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, okay, so it's like our third or fourth date, we went to go get

Ron Cool:

new Bibles and we're at the Bible store.

Ron Cool:

I was like, Hey, why don't you just put your new name on it?

Ron Cool:

Cause you know how you can engrave it.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

It's like third date, third date.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, just put your new name on it.

Ron Cool:

And she looks at me, she goes, really?

Ron Cool:

I go, you want it to last forever, right?

Ron Cool:

You don't want to just use it for a season.

Ron Cool:

And so she put Rachel Coole on her Bible, right?

Ron Cool:

But, we, we drew very close to God.

Ron Cool:

we got married and we were getting really close, but the enemy loves to go

Ron Cool:

where You know, to break the unity and, and he loves that and I fell away, we

Ron Cool:

moved, we had a great church in Indiana.

Ron Cool:

We moved back to Colorado and we were in another church that just

Ron Cool:

had the wrong attitude about it.

Ron Cool:

And so I disconnected myself from it.

Ron Cool:

And once I disconnected myself from it, I became who I was before I got married.

Ron Cool:

It was, it was like, Oh, That's an easy fix, right?

Ron Cool:

then, we, going

Ron Cool:

along, going almost,

Tim Winders:

I want to pause you.

Tim Winders:

I want to pause you real quick here because this is, this is what came to me.

Tim Winders:

So I'm going to ask it here before we get too far down the road.

Ron Cool:

sure, sure, go for it.

Tim Winders:

someone says something like that and, and truthfully,

Tim Winders:

Ron, you're telling a lot of mine and my wife's story too.

Tim Winders:

I didn't ask her to put her name on a Bible.

Tim Winders:

I was going to ask you if that was your proposal.

Tim Winders:

I'm going, that's an interesting proposal.

Tim Winders:

Do you want to, do you want to buy a Bible and put my last name on it?

Tim Winders:

I'm.

Ron Cool:

right,

Tim Winders:

Trying to think if that's good or not.

Tim Winders:

So my wife in our dating process asked me about my spiritual walk.

Tim Winders:

And I was in some philosophy class at the time at Georgia tech.

Tim Winders:

And I kind of gave her a flippant, not the correct answer.

Tim Winders:

She didn't like the answer.

Tim Winders:

And so I had to get back in sales and pitch mode, which to me, you seem like a

Tim Winders:

pretty good sales pitch guy too, from what I've heard, even in the few times we met.

Ron Cool:

right,

Tim Winders:

but then, and then there was a journey that went on from that.

Tim Winders:

I won't go into that, but it sounds like there was part of a journey.

Tim Winders:

But when I hear somebody say they started down a path and then they fell back, it

Tim Winders:

kind of makes me want to know, did they really start down the path or was it, or

Tim Winders:

were they still, and I'll go ahead and say it exactly this way, were they still

Tim Winders:

serving, trying to serve two masters, God?

Tim Winders:

And mammon and what I'm hearing and you can, and then I'll pause and you could

Tim Winders:

chime in and keep going with the story.

Tim Winders:

What I'm hearing is that you were probably trying to serve two masters.

Tim Winders:

That's not possible.

Ron Cool:

100%.

Ron Cool:

and, and I would love to say I was trying to not serve two masters.

Ron Cool:

That's just a lie.

Ron Cool:

I was serving, not God.

Ron Cool:

that's the end of the story.

Ron Cool:

and, I.

Ron Cool:

I don't like surrendering to anything.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

I just don't.

Ron Cool:

Um, and he had to break order to allow, and this is interesting.

Ron Cool:

This is, this is really interesting.

Ron Cool:

So I'm going to, I'm going to fast forward and then we can go

Ron Cool:

back or wherever you want to go.

Ron Cool:

But, he's been really telling me to get out of the book.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

And, and I'm like, all right, Lord, cause.

Ron Cool:

And when this journey started, he told me to get to know Peter, right?

Ron Cool:

And I'm like, okay, I'll just do studies on Peter and all this other stuff.

Ron Cool:

And this is three years, three and a half years ago, four years.

Ron Cool:

And, know, I shut down my business.

Ron Cool:

I really just focused on my marriage.

Ron Cool:

I focused on chasing God and really going after God.

Ron Cool:

and then whatever God said to do, I just said, yes.

Ron Cool:

So one was closing the business.

Ron Cool:

And, and that's a story we could talk about later, but, um, this whole, get to

Ron Cool:

know Peter was just resonating with me.

Ron Cool:

I was like, Oh my gosh.

Ron Cool:

So I'm reading everything.

Ron Cool:

And then the chosen TV show comes on and my family, we watch that.

Ron Cool:

We don't watch any other TV and we're watching.

Ron Cool:

And there was an argument between his wife and Peter and Peter was very arrogant.

Ron Cool:

Peter was very self centered.

Ron Cool:

Peter could do it all himself.

Ron Cool:

And I'm like, ouch.

Ron Cool:

Okay, Lord, I understand.

Ron Cool:

Okay, so then, three years later, I'm, I've grown a lot in my spiritual growth.

Ron Cool:

I'm helping out at church a lot differently, but I keep

Ron Cool:

hearing, get out of the boat.

Ron Cool:

I'm like, what is get out of the boat?

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And, and I'm talking to Rach about it.

Ron Cool:

I'm like, all right, honey, he keeps saying, get out of the boat.

Ron Cool:

Is it a comfort boat?

Ron Cool:

What is it like?

Ron Cool:

Take the step, take the step, take the step.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

I'm going to take a step.

Ron Cool:

I don't know what that means.

Ron Cool:

but then, we watched season three episode, the last episode of the chosen

Ron Cool:

and it's when Peter stepped out of the boat and kept his eyes on him.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, okay, that's nice.

Ron Cool:

Didn't resonate.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

It was the first time like a Peter thing didn't resonate.

Ron Cool:

So I'm in my quiet time and.

Ron Cool:

I get very clearly go watch the show again.

Ron Cool:

And I'm like, we just watched it.

Ron Cool:

So it's Friday night movie night.

Ron Cool:

We're turning on The Chosen and my oldest daughter goes, Hey, let's

Ron Cool:

just start it over until season four.

Ron Cool:

And I go, I need to watch this one again.

Ron Cool:

I know we just watched it last week and everyone's Okay, and I, Rachel knew what I

Ron Cool:

was talking about and I'm watching it and I just start and she goes, Are you okay?

Ron Cool:

I was like, no.

Ron Cool:

Like I understand, I understand what he's saying now.

Ron Cool:

Take this step and keep your eyes on me.

Ron Cool:

And I've been afraid to take a step for the last two and a half years.

Ron Cool:

I've never been patient.

Ron Cool:

It's actually freaked my wife out because I'm a doer and I've just been not doing.

Ron Cool:

and what I realized is me taking that step, I was afraid that step led back

Ron Cool:

to the old me and I didn't want that.

Ron Cool:

And he's as long as you trust me and look at me, it won't.

Tim Winders:

Real quick, it's probably not a quick answer.

Tim Winders:

What does the, what does the boat represent?

Ron Cool:

wow, that's a great question because I've, I thought I knew what it

Ron Cool:

meant where I, kind of the comfortability, I've been helping out at church doing

Ron Cool:

things there and it's okay, and this is something I'm wrestling with like

Ron Cool:

right now, does that boat mean stop doing that and do what I told you to do?

Ron Cool:

and it could be.

Ron Cool:

It could be that.

Ron Cool:

and and so that's this is, this is super fresh.

Ron Cool:

This is like a week ago, So it's I'm still processing it, but I'm starting

Ron Cool:

to really understand the step he's asking me to take is the step he asked

Ron Cool:

me to take three and a half years ago, which is really focused on men and

Ron Cool:

really focus on like the new path.

Ron Cool:

New you came from him.

Ron Cool:

I tried to argue with God about the name, not being available.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, you, you know how you reason with the, the, with

Tim Winders:

that work out?

Tim Winders:

How'd that, how'd that argument go with you?

Ron Cool:

I'll tell you how it went, I was like, God, there's no way new path.

Ron Cool:

New you is available.

Ron Cool:

that seems very logical for anyone to do and no one had it.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, that's weird.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, all right, Lord, if I'm truly supposed to do it, the URL will

Ron Cool:

be available, which it won't be like a.

Ron Cool:

com won't be available for new path.

Ron Cool:

New you.

Ron Cool:

com.

Ron Cool:

I got it for a penny, a penny.

Ron Cool:

For two years a penny and I'm like, wow, Lord.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

So then I jumped on it and then what's funny.

Ron Cool:

I've helped hundreds of people launch shows.

Ron Cool:

And my, my third thing I talk about is imposter syndrome.

Ron Cool:

Right?

Ron Cool:

And I talk about it all the time.

Ron Cool:

I've never had it ever, ever.

Ron Cool:

ever.

Ron Cool:

I've been on stages.

Ron Cool:

Uh, I've had 400 episodes of another show.

Ron Cool:

I've just never had it.

Ron Cool:

And then I'm doing this, Do a new path new you and I had it and

Ron Cool:

I was like, what are you doing?

Ron Cool:

And the voice in my head is shouldn't be, this isn't, no one will like you.

Ron Cool:

And he went and went right after everything that I've built up

Ron Cool:

since I was in seventh grade.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And, and I stopped for just a second.

Ron Cool:

I stopped.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

Ron Cool:

I got to push through this.

Ron Cool:

I got to push through it.

Ron Cool:

So then I pushed through and during that push through, I was able to

Ron Cool:

get some really cool guests on it.

Ron Cool:

So it's okay, see that wouldn't have happened.

Ron Cool:

And the enemy's trying to block those connections.

Ron Cool:

Right?

Ron Cool:

So it's, it's very interesting.

Ron Cool:

So the boat, I would love to tell you what the boat means.

Ron Cool:

I'm processing because I was offered to do something else that

Ron Cool:

I just don't feel lines up with.

Ron Cool:

What God's asking me to do.

Ron Cool:

So now it's maybe my time to get out of that boat.

Tim Winders:

I think it's fascinating.

Tim Winders:

It's a great, it's a great conversation and I think it's a

Tim Winders:

great conversation with two guys.

Tim Winders:

Women may not get this, truthfully, I don't know.

Tim Winders:

I know we have women listening in, but.

Tim Winders:

Two guys that think they know answers often.

Tim Winders:

That's our identity.

Tim Winders:

I actually circled identity again.

Tim Winders:

I wrote it and then I circled it again while you were just talking.

Tim Winders:

That's our identity.

Tim Winders:

we, we know the answer.

Tim Winders:

We know what to do.

Tim Winders:

We've got strategies.

Tim Winders:

We got plans.

Tim Winders:

We, Hey, come on.

Tim Winders:

that's, that's what we do.

Tim Winders:

And then to, to ask a fairly simple question from an

Tim Winders:

instruction, get out of the boat.

Tim Winders:

What, what is that boat?

Tim Winders:

I mean, the boat represented for Peter, that's their tool for business.

Ron Cool:

Oh,

Tim Winders:

stopped doing business?

Tim Winders:

for, for Peter, it meant comfort.

Tim Winders:

If there was a, the water was a little, we don't fish, but I mean, we

Tim Winders:

try to use, the fishermen analogies.

Tim Winders:

Is it all right?

Tim Winders:

Is it?

Tim Winders:

Something that we have confused with our identity, which I think, yes, but

Tim Winders:

something that came to me while you were talking and I'll just mention it

Tim Winders:

and then you can respond, I think it might be just get out of who you are

Tim Winders:

today to what the next step is, and, maybe we're making too much of it.

Tim Winders:

Or not enough.

Tim Winders:

I don't know, but it's, it's a, it's a good conversation.

Tim Winders:

Right.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

No.

Ron Cool:

And, and it's, it's like for this last three years, I'm

Ron Cool:

just not who I used to be.

Ron Cool:

And, I'll share a story.

Ron Cool:

So August, 2021, like my father in law, he's a deacon at a church.

Ron Cool:

we don't go to his church, but he's a deacon there.

Ron Cool:

And, like when I first met him, his, he's huge, he's a big man

Ron Cool:

and he's got this baritone, Right.

Ron Cool:

And, that's not very deep, but you understand it's God's talking to you when

Ron Cool:

this man is talking to you and his first question is, when did you meet the Lord?

Ron Cool:

And I was like, right now, right now.

Ron Cool:

And I probably need a new pair of pants.

Ron Cool:

So yeah, there's those two things.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

Cause I like, that's the first question out of his mouth.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

Anyway, fast forward.

Ron Cool:

like he obviously could tell I didn't.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And that's why he asked the question.

Ron Cool:

Okay?

Ron Cool:

So fast forward, I, I pulled him aside.

Ron Cool:

I said, Hey, I kind of need your help with something.

Ron Cool:

Rachel and I are going to start going on some dates and I really

Ron Cool:

just need you to watch the kids.

Ron Cool:

Can you do that?

Ron Cool:

And I'd love it.

Ron Cool:

Love it to be weekly if possible.

Ron Cool:

If not, let's just pick at some times.

Ron Cool:

That's all I said to him.

Ron Cool:

His answer was the following.

Ron Cool:

Yes.

Ron Cool:

Cause I could tell you met the Lord.

Ron Cool:

I don't know what happened.

Ron Cool:

I didn't even know how to answer that.

Ron Cool:

Right?

Ron Cool:

So then I was like, okay, that's interesting.

Ron Cool:

That's interesting.

Ron Cool:

So I went in, I talked to my wife.

Ron Cool:

I was like, that was a weird answer.

Ron Cool:

It wasn't, he didn't need to say that.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

Fast forward, I'm meeting with someone that I, that used to work for me.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

And I'm, I'm having lunch and, and I was talking to her about,

Ron Cool:

she's a catering director about catering something at our church.

Ron Cool:

And she goes, Hey, can I say something?

Ron Cool:

I was like, sure.

Ron Cool:

She goes.

Ron Cool:

You kind of have the same aura of who you are, but you're just a lot nicer.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, wow, that was, that was interesting, but going back

Ron Cool:

to the thing of new you, right.

Ron Cool:

I think you're a hundred percent right.

Ron Cool:

I think the boat is get out of the comfort.

Ron Cool:

I already got out of the business.

Ron Cool:

I closed the business.

Ron Cool:

So I got out of that boat and I trusted him and he's provided.

Ron Cool:

It's amazing.

Ron Cool:

We've had that conversation before.

Ron Cool:

I've let go of who I was.

Ron Cool:

However, I never stood.

Ron Cool:

I became this person, but I never like it.

Ron Cool:

Went out with that person.

Ron Cool:

Does that make sense?

Ron Cool:

I think now he is no, go, go do now.

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

And, all of that's good.

Tim Winders:

There's a, I think if someone's listening, depending on where they are in their

Tim Winders:

journey, there might be something that may nag at them just a little bit.

Tim Winders:

It used to nag at me.

Tim Winders:

I've gotten to where I accept it, but I'm going to ask the question for, for my

Tim Winders:

benefit and maybe someone who's listening.

Tim Winders:

Why you have to close your business?

Ron Cool:

Mm.

Tim Winders:

That could be practical.

Tim Winders:

It could be spiritual.

Tim Winders:

There could be other reasons.

Tim Winders:

I mean, for us, just real quick, our journey was the business closed on its

Tim Winders:

own because it was 2008 and we were in real estate, so it was like, I wasn't

Tim Winders:

really asked to get out of the boat.

Tim Winders:

I was the boat sank.

Tim Winders:

I don't know, maybe that's not a good analogy, but there was

Tim Winders:

all of a sudden there was no boat there.

Tim Winders:

And I'm going, Oh my gosh, I gotta, I gotta walk on the lawn.

Tim Winders:

Anyway, I'll have to think about that.

Tim Winders:

That's that's never come out that way, but and maybe even be, we could go hyper

Tim Winders:

spiritual or we can go super practical for the person listening in, because

Tim Winders:

there are some people that that's something that's really going to bug them.

Tim Winders:

Why did you have to close the business?

Ron Cool:

Yeah.

Ron Cool:

So I think, I, I'll try to do a little of both, but I'll just tell the story.

Ron Cool:

Um, so my wife was a stay-at-Home Mom.

Ron Cool:

We have three kids.

Ron Cool:

Our income was this business.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

And this business was doing very well.

Ron Cool:

I mean, it was, it was doing great.

Ron Cool:

We had 45 people working for us.

Ron Cool:

it was just me and my partner, all of our clients were Christians.

Ron Cool:

And, I, I met the Lord and I was like, okay, I'm going to start just

Ron Cool:

really doing who God's called me to do all the time, not just sometimes.

Ron Cool:

So we're having this conversation with this client and she's

Ron Cool:

just having a hard time.

Ron Cool:

And I go, Hey.

Ron Cool:

I read something today and I think maybe it was for you and I just shared

Ron Cool:

the scripture with her and we started having this great conversation.

Ron Cool:

I don't even know what I said.

Ron Cool:

No idea.

Ron Cool:

And she started crying and she goes, I needed that.

Ron Cool:

I was like, cool.

Ron Cool:

Can you let me know what I told you?

Ron Cool:

Because I really don't remember.

Ron Cool:

but I didn't say that, but my partner was quiet the entire time.

Ron Cool:

And we get off the call and he's hey, I was uncomfortable with it.

Ron Cool:

I go, with what?

Ron Cool:

He's like the whole God thing.

Ron Cool:

And I said, cool, God's always going to win always, uh, found out he's, he, I

Ron Cool:

mean, I knew he was an atheist, but it be, it became very evident at that point.

Ron Cool:

So we had the conversation of, Hey, all these clients are Christian,

Ron Cool:

who do you think gave it to us?

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

and, and, at that point I

Tim Winders:

One quick thing, one quick thing, Ron, was that an intentional thing

Tim Winders:

of every, all the clients being Christian?

Tim Winders:

Did y'all market for that or did it just organically?

Ron Cool:

just organically.

Tim Winders:

Interesting.

Ron Cool:

and, and, looking back, God orchestrated all of it, you know, he's

Ron Cool:

boom, boom, boom, you can help all this.

Ron Cool:

And so I didn't give him credit for that at that point.

Ron Cool:

Anyway.

Ron Cool:

know, fast forward, I, I pause doing any new work, any new work, I stopped

Ron Cool:

it and I really just was focusing on my relationship with the Lord and my wife.

Ron Cool:

That was it.

Ron Cool:

And.

Ron Cool:

I paused the company for a year, just a year we had, we had,

Ron Cool:

everything was on autopilot anyway.

Ron Cool:

And he said, shut it down.

Ron Cool:

I was like, okay, okay.

Ron Cool:

I went downstairs, closed it, fired everybody.

Ron Cool:

None.

Ron Cool:

We were done.

Ron Cool:

It came upstairs.

Ron Cool:

They told my wife, I go, Hey, we, we, I fired everybody and I closed it.

Ron Cool:

She goes, Oh, what are we going to do?

Ron Cool:

And I go, we're going to do whatever God says And we're going to trust

Ron Cool:

him and he's going to provide.

Ron Cool:

Cause he's faithful and that's all I said, and that was three years ago.

Ron Cool:

God's been faithful and it's, it's not easy for me.

Ron Cool:

You know, I had to work out a lot of things from being my

Ron Cool:

identity as the provider, right.

Ron Cool:

To really understanding God's the provider, right.

Ron Cool:

And I'm just the steward of what he provides.

Ron Cool:

And I'm still not really good at that.

Ron Cool:

I'm working on it.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

Like I haven't arrived on any level whatsoever, and that's,

Ron Cool:

that's new for me to say anyway.

Ron Cool:

Um, I'm working at it, So I think practical, it was about obedience.

Ron Cool:

It didn't matter if it was hard or whatever.

Ron Cool:

Like he died on the cross for us.

Ron Cool:

That's hard.

Ron Cool:

That's hard work.

Ron Cool:

Me closing a company, it stunk.

Ron Cool:

Cause I love those people.

Ron Cool:

God had better plans.

Ron Cool:

And you can't get to the cooler plans or the new thing he wants

Ron Cool:

to do with old wine skins.

Ron Cool:

And that's what we just kept seeing over and over and over again.

Ron Cool:

New wine, new wine, new wine skins.

Ron Cool:

And so like right now we're in a season of preparation.

Ron Cool:

We don't even know what that means.

Ron Cool:

We're just preparing.

Ron Cool:

Is that moving?

Ron Cool:

Maybe like we're preparing the house.

Ron Cool:

We don't even know if that's what it is, but we're just preparing.

Ron Cool:

So I don't know if that answered it or not,

Tim Winders:

It does a little bit.

Tim Winders:

I might, I might ask you to get a little bit.

Tim Winders:

I don't even know if this is granular.

Tim Winders:

I don't even know, but I mean, so to, to someone would say, all right, so God told

Tim Winders:

you to, to shut down and fire 45 people.

Tim Winders:

What about those people?

Tim Winders:

You know, what, what about their role?

Tim Winders:

What about, what about the clients that, we heard their Christian clients,

Tim Winders:

how did, how did that, that seems a little harsh for some of that.

Tim Winders:

And, and, and, let's, so here's then the third part of it, you could

Tim Winders:

address, you probably went from X amount to, zero times X, unless there

Tim Winders:

were some things still built in there.

Tim Winders:

And then, Address those things too, because then I want to ask, the

Tim Winders:

next thing is, like, how is he, this is the way I word it now, because

Tim Winders:

I've been through similar things.

Tim Winders:

When someone asks me questions that are a little more logistical,

Tim Winders:

the wording that I use is, this is how he's getting resources.

Ron Cool:

yes,

Tim Winders:

To us right now.

Tim Winders:

So maybe think in terms like, and, and I don't know why.

Tim Winders:

And again, Ron, my, our, our story, people kind of want to know how, how did you go

Tim Winders:

from, seven figure businesses to homeless and bankrupt and then where you are now.

Tim Winders:

And I go, there's a story there.

Tim Winders:

Do you have time to quit?

Tim Winders:

so we got a little bit of time, I guess is the point.

Tim Winders:

so tell me about the people because there's a heart for people.

Tim Winders:

And then, maybe we went from here to here and here's what's going on now.

Ron Cool:

Yeah.

Ron Cool:

No.

Ron Cool:

So the people were easy.

Ron Cool:

I found them jobs because they were important to me.

Ron Cool:

So I had a couple of connections in the microcontent space and I found

Ron Cool:

all of them work with other companies.

Ron Cool:

So that was very simple, but I had to let them know that this

Ron Cool:

company was no longer right.

Ron Cool:

And so it worked out, it worked out great for them as for the clients.

Ron Cool:

It was just, it was a real conversation.

Ron Cool:

It was funny because none of them were upset because also my goal,

Ron Cool:

I never wanted a client to stay with me forever, ever, ever, ever.

Ron Cool:

ever.

Ron Cool:

I gave them the tools to do everything I did for them on their own.

Ron Cool:

And so no one felt high and dry, not a single person.

Ron Cool:

And, and that was as far as I'm concerned, a blessing, because I didn't, I was

Ron Cool:

still trying to please everybody.

Ron Cool:

but at the end of the day, I had to do what God was really calling me to do.

Ron Cool:

And it was not easy.

Ron Cool:

And walking away from that, especially when I'm a planner, I focus on things.

Ron Cool:

I am risk aversion.

Ron Cool:

I can plan everything to a T.

Ron Cool:

And not fail.

Ron Cool:

That's how my whole life's been, and I don't like it.

Ron Cool:

I don't like failing.

Ron Cool:

So I will plan everything to be successful.

Ron Cool:

And this was not that time.

Ron Cool:

And then, so my wife expected me to go launch something and

Ron Cool:

take off and do something new.

Ron Cool:

And I've just become patient and waited the Lord.

Ron Cool:

And so that's what I've been doing.

Ron Cool:

It kind of freaked her out.

Ron Cool:

And then resource wise to kind of touch on that.

Ron Cool:

It's very interesting how resources come.

Ron Cool:

Uh, she was.

Ron Cool:

She was offered a, staff role at the church that we didn't ask for.

Ron Cool:

We didn't talk about, and it fits what.

Ron Cool:

She's she has a degree in sociology and psychology and she's the kid's director

Ron Cool:

and makes all the sense in the world.

Ron Cool:

And, so now that did not, that did not equal equal out.

Ron Cool:

but it's, it's, it's interesting cause then we had some people go, Hey, we had a

Ron Cool:

flat tire and someone at church goes, Hey, I'm feeling called to buy you new tires.

Ron Cool:

I'm like, I, I appreciate that.

Ron Cool:

I don't need new tires.

Ron Cool:

And she, and, and he goes.

Ron Cool:

I understand that.

Ron Cool:

Just God told me to buy you tires.

Ron Cool:

So I'm buying you tires.

Ron Cool:

And here's a check.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, what, what?

Ron Cool:

My, my favorite story that I tell people, cause it makes no

Ron Cool:

sense, but I'll, I'll share it.

Ron Cool:

I was driving my wife's car cause all of our cars were paid off and I was driving

Ron Cool:

my wife's car and I was going to pick up, um, my kids where normally they would

Ron Cool:

have been in the car, but they weren't.

Ron Cool:

And at 60 miles an hour, I slammed into it, totaled her car.

Ron Cool:

Everyone was fine.

Ron Cool:

I walked out, she walked out.

Ron Cool:

She was really nice about it.

Ron Cool:

it was around Easter and, we were serving for Easter and the pastures,

Ron Cool:

my wife didn't, I'm going to give everyone something not to do.

Ron Cool:

She didn't answer my phone call.

Ron Cool:

So I just texture a picture of the car and so she instantly started crying with the

Ron Cool:

pastors and I was like, we're fine, but I heard in my voice because I was literally

Ron Cool:

an hour away from everybody I heard in my, my head call my mother in law.

Ron Cool:

I was like, that's weird.

Ron Cool:

So I called my mother in law.

Ron Cool:

She was a block away from me.

Ron Cool:

So she came and got me and yeah, God was so good at this because

Ron Cool:

that could have ended poorly for the other person or for me.

Ron Cool:

that could have ended poorly if my kids were in the car.

Ron Cool:

There could have been so many ended purely badly, right?

Ron Cool:

So then my mother in law was in a car accident a couple months prior to that

Ron Cool:

and it took him forever to get the check.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And it was the same thing.

Ron Cool:

She hit a car, took forever.

Ron Cool:

So I was like, Oh my gosh, my mom had a, has two cars.

Ron Cool:

One, they're both new and one was just sitting around.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, Hmm, I'm going to ask my mom, mom, can I borrow your car?

Ron Cool:

Cause I just destroyed mine.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

That was kind of hard.

Ron Cool:

So she gave me her car to borrow, but I was afraid to drive it.

Ron Cool:

Cause I was like, I don't want to wreck that.

Ron Cool:

Why did I wreck my wife's car instead of my car?

Ron Cool:

it was a nicer Lexus SUV.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, what am I going to do?

Ron Cool:

So then the pastors just started praying double portion, double portion.

Ron Cool:

And I'm looking at like the Kelly blue book of my car.

Ron Cool:

And it was like 9, 000.

Ron Cool:

I was like, Oh my gosh, like I'm not going to be able to replace my wife's car.

Ron Cool:

Cause we don't like car payments.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And I kept hearing pastors praying double portion over us, double portion.

Ron Cool:

So the insurance gets back to me Monday, four days later.

Ron Cool:

It goes, Hey, here's what the is, here's your check.

Ron Cool:

It's 18, 000.

Ron Cool:

I'm like, what?

Ron Cool:

That's awesome.

Ron Cool:

That's a double portion, right?

Ron Cool:

Not realizing how the used car market was, everything was so expensive and it

Ron Cool:

was a worse vehicle than what she had.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, what am I going to do?

Ron Cool:

And I asked my wife, I go, what color car do you want?

Ron Cool:

And she goes, I don't care, just don't spend more.

Ron Cool:

And I go, cool, can you just tell me the color car you want?

Ron Cool:

And she goes, fine, pearl white.

Ron Cool:

And I go, that was oddly specific, right?

Ron Cool:

I was like, oddly specific.

Ron Cool:

So I'm talking to her dad, who also works in the car business, and he's laughing.

Ron Cool:

He goes, you know what color it won't be.

Ron Cool:

I said, absolutely.

Ron Cool:

I know what color it's not going to be.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And I go, I can't even find a car that matches.

Ron Cool:

What we want in the lower mileage that we had because we have a low mileage and

Ron Cool:

It's not gonna be as nice and so we're looking and we couldn't find anything.

Ron Cool:

We couldn't find anything.

Ron Cool:

We're gonna settle So I was talking to my mom.

Ron Cool:

She goes I go.

Ron Cool:

Hey mom because you know how the insurance does they give you X amount?

Ron Cool:

they give you X amount until they get the title and then

Ron Cool:

they give you the rest and I go.

Ron Cool:

Hey mom I found this This car.

Ron Cool:

it kind of works, kind of works.

Ron Cool:

And she goes, where's it at?

Ron Cool:

And I go, I don't know.

Ron Cool:

One of those rinky dink deal dealers on, on Broadway.

Ron Cool:

She goes, no, because I needed like the X amount of money.

Ron Cool:

And then I was just going to pay her back when I got the insurance.

Ron Cool:

And she goes, no, just go back to Lexus.

Ron Cool:

And I go, mom, they don't have something at Lexus that fits what I need.

Ron Cool:

And she goes, what are you looking for?

Ron Cool:

And I go, mom, I just want the same kind of car.

Ron Cool:

Like I don't want anything.

Ron Cool:

And she goes, what color does Rachel want?

Ron Cool:

And I go.

Ron Cool:

She ironically said Pearl White, but said no big deal, right?

Ron Cool:

And I go, Mom, there's not going to be anything.

Ron Cool:

She goes, did you check this other Lexus that was like two hours away?

Ron Cool:

And ironically, they had a Pearl White Lexus SUV that was newer,

Ron Cool:

less miles than what she had.

Ron Cool:

And it was double the amount of what I had.

Ron Cool:

And I go, okay, Mom, this is the only thing they have.

Ron Cool:

So I'm not going to do it.

Ron Cool:

And she goes, I'll pay for it.

Ron Cool:

Go get it.

Ron Cool:

I was like, I'm sorry.

Ron Cool:

What?

Ron Cool:

And, and my father in law was praying for God to do exceedingly abundantly

Ron Cool:

more than you could ever ask.

Ron Cool:

Right?

Ron Cool:

So I call my, my wife and I go, Hey, my mom just said this and she goes, no.

Ron Cool:

And I go, yeah, it's kind of where I was like, that's a lot, so I

Ron Cool:

was talking to my father in law and telling him the whole story.

Ron Cool:

He goes, timeout.

Ron Cool:

We literally just prayed.

Ron Cool:

For God to do exceedingly more than you could ever ask.

Ron Cool:

So now you need to decide, is your pride going to get in the way?

Ron Cool:

Are you going to accept the blessing?

Ron Cool:

I was like, ouch.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

So I call my wife, I go, I'm going to go pick up your car.

Ron Cool:

I'll see you in a minute.

Ron Cool:

So I call this dealer and I go.

Ron Cool:

I'm coming from two hours away.

Ron Cool:

Do not bait and switch me.

Ron Cool:

I want this car.

Ron Cool:

Do not sell it.

Ron Cool:

Like I'm paying cash.

Ron Cool:

And he goes, I put sold on it.

Ron Cool:

I said, okay, if I come like, and it's gone, I'm really angry.

Ron Cool:

And so I get there and there's my salesman and this couple arguing about the car.

Ron Cool:

I'm like, Oh, what's going on?

Ron Cool:

And he goes, I come out, I go, Hey, what, what's up?

Ron Cool:

And he goes, funny story.

Ron Cool:

I go, I'm sure it is.

Ron Cool:

I'm sure it is.

Ron Cool:

And he goes, right when you called and said you wanted this

Ron Cool:

car, their deal fell through.

Ron Cool:

And then I put it on hold.

Ron Cool:

They went to the bank, figured out there was a mistake, came back to try to buy it.

Ron Cool:

And now it was sold out from under them.

Ron Cool:

And I said, that was just a God thing.

Ron Cool:

So thank you.

Ron Cool:

I'm really sorry.

Ron Cool:

And then they ended up getting a different car.

Ron Cool:

But it was, it was just crazy how all of that works.

Ron Cool:

So talking about, God gives resources from unexplained places before I

Ron Cool:

would have said, I figured that out.

Ron Cool:

what my mom did.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

Old Ron, that would have been the answers.

Ron Cool:

New Ron, all glory to God, all glory.

Ron Cool:

There's, there was a double upon double blessing that.

Ron Cool:

I can't explain except for only God, only God could have taken a 9, 000

Ron Cool:

car and turned it into a 50, 000.

Ron Cool:

Only God.

Tim Winders:

So one thing, Ron, that's interesting, there's two things

Tim Winders:

that I picked up from that story.

Tim Winders:

One, I'll get to in just a second, but with, with new With new path, new you,

Tim Winders:

and with what you're doing in ministry.

Tim Winders:

And it seems like it's where it seems like it might be the boat you're in currently.

Tim Winders:

I'll say it that way.

Tim Winders:

How about that?

Tim Winders:

We'll start, we'll start using the right language here.

Tim Winders:

So the boat you're in currently is obviously, communicating to men,

Tim Winders:

helping men, maybe that, that were in a place like where you were to where

Tim Winders:

you are now, not that you've got all the answers or anything like that.

Tim Winders:

I think that's a powerful transition that many of us, I think, will continue

Tim Winders:

to have to make, and that is, we used to think we knew it all the longer we lived,

Tim Winders:

the less and less we recognized, but you brought up earlier that, you wanted to be

Tim Winders:

the provider that was important for you when we were talking about your company.

Ron Cool:

Yes.

Tim Winders:

think when we're talking about, putting our, our, our wife

Tim Winders:

and kids in a car many times, that's.

Tim Winders:

Important badge of honor for us to say, it's got, good

Tim Winders:

car, solid, safe, good tires.

Tim Winders:

You've talked about tires.

Tim Winders:

You've talked about all these things here.

Tim Winders:

So in, in the interaction that you've had with men, since you've been called to

Tim Winders:

work with men, what do they need to know about the process of moving from the,

Tim Winders:

if it is to be, it's up to me, I've got to provide, which there is, there is a.

Tim Winders:

Scripture for that.

Tim Winders:

I think the scripture can be twisted often and that is you're worse than an

Tim Winders:

infidel if you don't provide I think it's anyway, I won't go into it How are what

Tim Winders:

are you seeing with men you interact with?

Tim Winders:

I know you lead groups and stuff like that with all the talking you're doing And

Tim Winders:

moving from where you did to to that place where they could allow something like

Tim Winders:

you just shared with that story To happen help us connect the dots with whatever.

Tim Winders:

I mean i'm kind of throwing you a big wide net here to take it Wherever

Tim Winders:

you want to does that make sense?

Ron Cool:

Yeah, no, it's good.

Ron Cool:

And, and rein me in if you want.

Ron Cool:

so I think there's two things that, that men have to do.

Ron Cool:

There's three, they have to really surrender.

Ron Cool:

They really have to surrender.

Ron Cool:

Right?

Ron Cool:

Yeah, exactly.

Ron Cool:

And none of us want to do that.

Ron Cool:

Like at the end of the day, none of us want to do it.

Ron Cool:

And then the two prayers, Craig Rochelle, has dangerous prayer book.

Ron Cool:

and it's about, Seek, seek my heart, seek me, look, search me.

Ron Cool:

Is there something within me that is not pleasing for you and break it?

Ron Cool:

And that's, that's the last thing you have to be broken.

Ron Cool:

And what?

Ron Cool:

And it's funny because I'm helping a guy right now who he had a 35 million company

Ron Cool:

that just got snatched and lost it all.

Ron Cool:

And I'm like, look, man, you were about to buy a jet.

Ron Cool:

So you tell me what you were chasing.

Ron Cool:

Were you chasing God or were you chasing fame?

Ron Cool:

And, and it's funny because my daughter was on stage this

Ron Cool:

last, Sunday and she's seven.

Ron Cool:

She's seven, but she was on stage.

Ron Cool:

They were doing this vision thing with kids and she was up there writing notes.

Ron Cool:

And I literally thought she was drawing.

Ron Cool:

She was taking sermon notes at seven and wrote yes to chasing

Ron Cool:

God, no to chasing fame.

Ron Cool:

I was like, wow, that was a message to me.

Ron Cool:

And the reason I know it was a message to me because underneath it, she wrote.

Ron Cool:

N P N Y.

Ron Cool:

I was like, what is that?

Ron Cool:

And she goes, new path.

Ron Cool:

New you daddy.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, Oh, wow.

Ron Cool:

Talking about, I don't talk about my podcast to my Children.

Ron Cool:

I don't like it blew my mind.

Ron Cool:

She even knew.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, telling this guy, go look, God talks through

Ron Cool:

your Children all the time.

Ron Cool:

And if you choose to pay attention and then act on it, I said, but for you,

Ron Cool:

you're starting out, you're, you're not willing to forgive yourself for

Ron Cool:

losing the company and you're not surrendering yourself to God's will.

Ron Cool:

And you're trying to figure it out all by yourself.

Ron Cool:

And if you don't let go of all of that, you're just going to be stuck or you're

Ron Cool:

going to find yourself repeating the same thing over and over again, which I did.

Ron Cool:

it's funny because I would always find myself in the same situations.

Ron Cool:

I was like, how does that even happen, right?

Ron Cool:

It's because I didn't learn.

Ron Cool:

But, for, for the question, I think the biggest thing is men have to be

Ron Cool:

broken and then surrender to God's will.

Ron Cool:

And that's, that's more than just saying it.

Ron Cool:

That's more than anything.

Ron Cool:

I asked my wife, when did you think I would go back to being who I used to be?

Ron Cool:

Because she, she shared with me, she goes, I stopped praying that you would change.

Ron Cool:

And that was painful to hear, right?

Ron Cool:

And then we have to reprioritize our life.

Ron Cool:

You have to chase God, you have to like equal with your

Ron Cool:

wife and you have to chase her.

Ron Cool:

Like everyone, we all chased our wife when we were trying to get married, right?

Ron Cool:

Or date her.

Ron Cool:

And then once, once we got married, like I love her to

Ron Cool:

death, but I stopped pursuing her.

Ron Cool:

I didn't feel I needed to pursue her.

Ron Cool:

And God, God said to me, just because you're happy doesn't mean she is.

Ron Cool:

That was painful.

Ron Cool:

Like all of it.

Ron Cool:

It was the most painful experience I've ever had.

Ron Cool:

but I had to be broken.

Ron Cool:

And like I told my friend, I was like, look, the enemy came after your

Ron Cool:

identity, which was this business.

Ron Cool:

And God let that happen because your identity was in the wrong spot.

Ron Cool:

And until your identity is in the right spot, you're going to have a crack

Ron Cool:

and the enemy is going to exploit it.

Tim Winders:

so one thing that's interesting, you mentioned surrender

Tim Winders:

first and I went, Oh, that's good.

Tim Winders:

That's good.

Tim Winders:

But then you mentioned you got to be broken last.

Tim Winders:

And unfortunately that order seems to go broken, then surrender.

Tim Winders:

At least it did for me.

Tim Winders:

It seems like your journey may have been, and maybe it's men that way.

Tim Winders:

I, and, and, and, we hate to generalize, but women are different.

Tim Winders:

It's a different thing.

Tim Winders:

They seem to be more humble, surrender, they're the ones that lead

Tim Winders:

us into, spiritual walk and, and, sometimes it's kicking and screaming.

Tim Winders:

Sometimes it's, whatever, but that's interesting.

Tim Winders:

so my question, and it's, it's a trick question.

Ron Cool:

Sure.

Ron Cool:

Sure.

Tim Winders:

there is no answer to, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

Tim Winders:

Is it possible to reverse the order and surrender first so

Tim Winders:

that we don't have to be broken?

Ron Cool:

Yeah.

Ron Cool:

so here's, here's why I say it this way.

Ron Cool:

Okay.

Ron Cool:

Cause surrender is you have to be open to the idea of giving control up.

Ron Cool:

Once you're able to give control up in your mind, you're not there.

Ron Cool:

Like you haven't truly surrendered.

Ron Cool:

Until you're broken,

Tim Winders:

that might be the step out of the boat, right?

Tim Winders:

Are we going back to step out of the boat?

Ron Cool:

We are stepping out of the boat, right?

Ron Cool:

So we, we, we have to trust in God and we have to surrender, right?

Ron Cool:

But he wants a step first.

Ron Cool:

Your step is the mind.

Ron Cool:

Your mind is going to say, okay, yeah, I'm going to do that.

Ron Cool:

Right?

Ron Cool:

Then, then you can ask God to show you what needs to be broken.

Ron Cool:

Because what you think needs to be broken might not be what God's trying to break.

Ron Cool:

It might be that, but it might be a lot more other things that stink that you

Ron Cool:

don't want to give surrender to like you can have all of this little area over

Ron Cool:

here, Lord, but you can't have this.

Ron Cool:

This is mine stuff to this is this is who I am.

Ron Cool:

He wants all of that broken, and and when I, when I shared this with him,

Ron Cool:

I was like, do you surrender to him?

Ron Cool:

And he's yeah, I go, do you do you?

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And then he's yeah.

Ron Cool:

And I go, Hey, let's talk about it.

Ron Cool:

So as we're talking, he, and this is not anything I'm doing or

Ron Cool:

saying or anything, but you could tell God's working in his head.

Ron Cool:

Cause then by the end of the conversation, he's crying and

Ron Cool:

he's a, he's a manly man, right?

Ron Cool:

that took me off that he was there, but I was like, all right, Lord,

Ron Cool:

you, you did something right.

Ron Cool:

And even yesterday I checked with him and I was like, ask him to break you.

Ron Cool:

It's hard.

Ron Cool:

And then when he breaks you, resurrender, resurrender, but it starts with, you have

Ron Cool:

to be okay with the process, you know,

Tim Winders:

I, one of the things I do, I've shared this often, is that

Tim Winders:

I'll listen to the Sermon on the Mount.

Tim Winders:

audibly many times.

Tim Winders:

I've done it almost every morning for the last three, four years.

Tim Winders:

And at the very end of the, what we call the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew seven,

Tim Winders:

there's this, I'll call it the clincher where Jesus says, there's two people,

Tim Winders:

this is my version of it, and there's basically two people that there's the

Tim Winders:

one that listens to me, and then the one, the one that doesn't, and the one that

Tim Winders:

doesn't, the rains come, the floods come, and the house that's built on sand washes

Tim Winders:

away, and then the one that listens and heeds my voice, the rains come, the floods

Tim Winders:

come, and something just recently, I've listened to it over and over again, the

Tim Winders:

rains come and the floods come regardless.

Tim Winders:

because

Ron Cool:

Yeah.

Ron Cool:

Either way you're getting, you're going through

Tim Winders:

many, many times what we'll try to do is say, Oh, this

Tim Winders:

it's the enemy or it's this or that.

Tim Winders:

No, the rains and the floods and the sunshine, earlier in the Sermon on

Tim Winders:

the Mount, there's the sun shines on the just and the unjust, it's like

Tim Winders:

that those are life is going to happen is what are we going to deal with?

Tim Winders:

I love your example with this guy you're talking about, because for

Tim Winders:

me, I never had a great deal of.

Tim Winders:

Shame that entered into my being and who I was, but because my entire identity

Tim Winders:

was I'm successful in business, I do well, we've raised money, all that

Tim Winders:

kind of stuff, and all of a sudden now we're homeless and bankrupt, it's

Tim Winders:

I'm dealing with something I haven't dealt with before, which is shame.

Tim Winders:

And so I I've come to terms that this surrender, the surrender, broken

Tim Winders:

surrender, broken is not an event.

Tim Winders:

It's a process.

Tim Winders:

And part of our, what this word is big word that we use called sanctification.

Tim Winders:

No one can totally explain it, that that's Tim's sanctification, Ron's sanctification

Tim Winders:

right now is having everything burned and scraped and, and, taken away that is

Tim Winders:

world system so that we are preparing for that kingdom of God for all of eternity.

Tim Winders:

And, and that's the, I don't want to just punch my ticket, which

Tim Winders:

is what a lot of us think we do.

Tim Winders:

We just punch our salvation ticket.

Tim Winders:

We're good.

Tim Winders:

And we can just keep doing all this other stuff, whatever the other stuff is.

Tim Winders:

And you and I, we had to purge a lot of this mammon business

Tim Winders:

success, stuff like that.

Tim Winders:

So anyway, all right, that's my preach, my rant.

Tim Winders:

There's another practical thing.

Tim Winders:

And then I want us to talk about new path, new you, as we wrap up here.

Tim Winders:

heard you say, I, I've tried to keep a count, but it was probably

Tim Winders:

at least five or six times.

Tim Winders:

I may be off a little bit.

Tim Winders:

Something to the effect of God told me or God said, or I heard God say, and I

Tim Winders:

know Ron, there are people that are right now going, I don't hear God's voice.

Ron Cool:

Oh

Tim Winders:

that happen?

Tim Winders:

he was still, he was still a little bit messed up and he

Tim Winders:

said he heard God's voice.

Tim Winders:

You got to be, this is some people saying this, you got to be perfect

Tim Winders:

before you even go before the Lord.

Tim Winders:

So talk a little bit about that topic of.

Tim Winders:

Hearing from God and maybe just personally, what was your journey?

Tim Winders:

How have you come to it?

Tim Winders:

Are you 110 percent confident that's God's voice or

Ron Cool:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

so?

Tim Winders:

All right.

Tim Winders:

That's our last teaching topic.

Tim Winders:

Then we're going to talk about a few practical things so

Tim Winders:

people can connect with you.

Ron Cool:

Sure.

Ron Cool:

No, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give a story because my daughter

Ron Cool:

asked, This exact question.

Ron Cool:

How do you hear from God?

Ron Cool:

And I hear from God a lot of different ways.

Ron Cool:

and I was like, here's, here's one way you can do it.

Ron Cool:

grab your Bible because it is words living.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And just ask a question out loud.

Ron Cool:

Just let's ask God a question.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And she's 10 and she's asking God a question.

Ron Cool:

I was like, all right, Lord, this is your time.

Ron Cool:

I've never said genie time, but it's my daughter, can we just start her

Ron Cool:

relationship in a really cool way?

Ron Cool:

So she asks a question and she said a word and what's awful is I can't remember

Ron Cool:

the word It wasn't like something that was readily in every Bible page

Ron Cool:

Let's just say that right and it was part of her question and I go, okay.

Ron Cool:

Sometimes, honey, this is what I do.

Ron Cool:

I'll pray and then I'll open the Bible to wherever I said.

Ron Cool:

So just open the Bible where you feel God's leading you to open the Bible.

Ron Cool:

And so she opened it and she was drawn to this section of the Bible

Ron Cool:

and it was her word that she said.

Ron Cool:

She goes, Oh, that's the word.

Ron Cool:

I said, let's, let's read the story.

Ron Cool:

And it literally answered her question.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, how cool is that?

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And I thanked God right then.

Ron Cool:

I said, let's thank him.

Ron Cool:

And so then she was like, Hmm, I go.

Ron Cool:

And now sometimes it's.

Ron Cool:

I'll just turn somewhere else to see if there's something else.

Ron Cool:

And I go, is there anywhere else you feel you need to turn?

Ron Cool:

So she turns and there was the word again, right?

Ron Cool:

And I was like, Oh, thank you, Lord.

Ron Cool:

Thank you, Lord.

Ron Cool:

so I, I hear God through his word.

Ron Cool:

Okay, but if I'm like, I prayed a lot to hear God's, let me rephrase that.

Ron Cool:

I prayed a lot to hear the enemy's voice because the enemy whispers.

Ron Cool:

And then when you say it, it becomes your voice.

Ron Cool:

So I'm downstairs one day and I kept hearing your wife doesn't need you.

Ron Cool:

She's fine.

Ron Cool:

But first time ever, it was not my voice.

Ron Cool:

I was stoked.

Ron Cool:

I was so excited.

Ron Cool:

I jumped up, ran upstairs, gave my wife a hug and she goes, I needed that.

Ron Cool:

I said, I know, I know you needed that because I heard a voice that wasn't right.

Ron Cool:

So when it comes to, Like God, like I'll see things and all this other stuff, but

Ron Cool:

if you think about it, even Paul on the road to Damascus, he was not perfect.

Ron Cool:

He was not a good guy.

Ron Cool:

And there was Jesus, right?

Ron Cool:

and Peter, not, not the best of guys.

Ron Cool:

Jesus called him and I think if you're open to the calling and

Ron Cool:

you really listen, God touches you in a lot of different ways.

Ron Cool:

It could be a gut feeling.

Ron Cool:

It could be his word.

Ron Cool:

I mean, his, his word tells, I mean, it's a living word.

Ron Cool:

Um, it could be a small little voice.

Ron Cool:

I mean, if you think about it, all the storms in the Bible, it

Ron Cool:

was a quiet voice that calmed it.

Ron Cool:

So if it's a loud, crazy voice, that's probably not enough.

Ron Cool:

If it's a quiet, quiet

Ron Cool:

voice and it's just nagging and it's, it's pushing you forward.

Ron Cool:

how I look at it is if the voice is pushing me forward, That could be from

Ron Cool:

God, but I, I, I have a really cool way of discerning stuff, but if the voice

Ron Cool:

is pushing backwards or look back, look back at the shame, that's not God.

Ron Cool:

That's the enemy not wanting you to move forward and that's it.

Tim Winders:

How important, how important is it?

Tim Winders:

This is, this is, this is my last question.

Tim Winders:

important is it for people that are, you use the word workaholic at the beginning.

Tim Winders:

I'm sure with the level of responsibility you had in your

Tim Winders:

company and all that, there was a lot of phone calls, a lot going on.

Tim Winders:

You probably had at least one phone.

Tim Winders:

How important is it To be still and quiet for you.

Tim Winders:

I mean, some people say they can hear God and they're going at it.

Tim Winders:

I can't, I've tried enough fool to myself.

Tim Winders:

I think before, I think that's where a lot of other voices and things come at

Tim Winders:

me, but I have got to be still and quiet.

Tim Winders:

How about you?

Ron Cool:

going back to what you just said about being, kind

Ron Cool:

of tricked or fooling yourself.

Ron Cool:

Rachel and I would try to have God time at night.

Ron Cool:

you're tired at night.

Ron Cool:

What's the first thing that doesn't happen?

Ron Cool:

God, God doesn't, God doesn't want your leftovers.

Ron Cool:

He wants to be first.

Ron Cool:

So we said, all right, Lord, we're going to, this is three and a half

Ron Cool:

years ago and we do it every day.

Ron Cool:

Now we're going to start our day with you.

Ron Cool:

However long it is, we're going to start the day.

Ron Cool:

And Friday, we we Sabbath really hard on Fridays.

Ron Cool:

We disconnect from phone.

Ron Cool:

We disconnect everything.

Ron Cool:

Um, I've actually transitioned my driving, focus on my phone where if you text me

Ron Cool:

on Friday, it says I'm sabbathing today and I, there's no tech in my life today.

Ron Cool:

So I'm not responding to you, And so I use that, but that was, that

Ron Cool:

was a journey in itself as well.

Ron Cool:

But it's, it's, it's hyper important to spend time with God.

Ron Cool:

So you get to know him and just like any friend, any relationship.

Ron Cool:

It was funny because I was spending time with God, Friday and I was laughing and

Ron Cool:

it was like I was joking with him and it was the craziest thing because I have

Ron Cool:

never been in that type of moment and I was telling my wife because that's

Ron Cool:

the other piece that's important.

Ron Cool:

We share what God's telling us and it's funny because

Ron Cool:

sometimes we'll do it together.

Ron Cool:

Sometimes we do it separately.

Ron Cool:

It kind of depends on the feeling, but almost all the time they intercede.

Ron Cool:

It's really cool and it's not like we're doing the same, but it was the first time

Ron Cool:

that I was like joking with him like as a friend and I was laughing out loud and

Ron Cool:

I was like, Oh my gosh, that was weird.

Ron Cool:

That was cool.

Ron Cool:

Right?

Ron Cool:

But he's, he's a friend.

Ron Cool:

He's a friend, but you have to spend time with him to understand his voice.

Ron Cool:

Jesus.

Ron Cool:

Jesus said the sheep know my voice.

Ron Cool:

My people know my voice.

Ron Cool:

You'll know the voice if you spend time with.

Tim Winders:

Yeah, going back to the marriage example you used earlier,

Tim Winders:

if you were to have Married Rachel, committed to her and then said, okay,

Tim Winders:

I'm going to go do other things.

Tim Winders:

We're not going to have communication.

Tim Winders:

We're not going to have intimacy.

Tim Winders:

We're not going to do anything together until we die.

Tim Winders:

That's the relationship.

Tim Winders:

A lot of people try with God.

Tim Winders:

They, they punch

Ron Cool:

So good.

Ron Cool:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

and then they just say, we're, we're not going to

Tim Winders:

do any of the good stuff, the fun stuff, the hard stuff too.

Tim Winders:

And so we have to build it.

Tim Winders:

How long have you been married, Ron?

Tim Winders:

12

Ron Cool:

almost 12 years.

Tim Winders:

years.

Ron Cool:

We're babies.

Tim Winders:

just celebrated 35.

Tim Winders:

And I want to tell you that one of the things my wife, Gloria and I do,

Tim Winders:

and we've done it now for going on close to, let's see, when was that?

Tim Winders:

Oh, eight.

Tim Winders:

I mean, gosh, 15, 17 years is spend a lot of quiet.

Tim Winders:

We schedule nothing early.

Tim Winders:

And it's usually coffee.

Tim Winders:

It's usually, something spiritual, something scriptural.

Tim Winders:

Sometimes it's practical because you need to do that stuff too, but it

Tim Winders:

is typically heavy duty spiritual.

Tim Winders:

Hey, what are you getting from the Lord?

Tim Winders:

Oh, I'm getting that too.

Tim Winders:

How about that?

Tim Winders:

And and there are times when we were going through some tough times where

Tim Winders:

it was four, five, six hours a day.

Tim Winders:

And so anyway, that is, that is really cool.

Tim Winders:

And we just, I think I said this, we 35 years, we're, we're like,

Tim Winders:

we're, we're just getting started.

Tim Winders:

so anyway, all right, so we could keep talking, but new path, new

Tim Winders:

you is that name that you got for, a penny and, and, and so obviously

Tim Winders:

there was something going on there.

Tim Winders:

Tell us what it is and, and how people, what's going on there and

Tim Winders:

why people need to connect with it.

Tim Winders:

And then I've got one more question before we wrap up.

Ron Cool:

Sure.

Ron Cool:

And before I do that, you said something that is important that I want to touch

Ron Cool:

on, especially for men, like, um, Bible prayer times in my calendar,

Ron Cool:

you can calendar what's important.

Ron Cool:

So you don't schedule things early because it affects that.

Ron Cool:

So if you want to create a relationship and it, consistency calendar.

Ron Cool:

It's super easy.

Ron Cool:

Just do it.

Ron Cool:

Especially business guys, right.

Ron Cool:

Just calendar it.

Tim Winders:

and then also turn off the ringers, notifications,

Tim Winders:

all this stuff that they want.

Tim Winders:

I don't have any sounds come from my phone because when I sit with someone like we're

Tim Winders:

doing here, I want to be focused on Ron.

Tim Winders:

When I sit with my wife, I need to be focused on my wife.

Tim Winders:

all right, new path, new you tell us about it and what's going on.

Ron Cool:

it's, it started off as a podcast.

Ron Cool:

it's, it's to help men on a spiritual journey and what

Ron Cool:

I've learned about podcasting.

Ron Cool:

You know, here's the journey you were on.

Ron Cool:

You're reaching down and helping this person down here on the same journey.

Ron Cool:

And that's what that, that's what it's about.

Ron Cool:

It's, it's a, it's a real raw journey.

Ron Cool:

I don't even use my microphone.

Ron Cool:

It's funny.

Ron Cool:

Cause everyone's like, why aren't you using your mic?

Ron Cool:

I was like, cause I just want it to be real.

Ron Cool:

Like I'm just talking in my phone sometimes.

Ron Cool:

it's, it's 15, 20 minutes.

Ron Cool:

They're quick bites.

Ron Cool:

I have some cool guests on it.

Ron Cool:

Um, and it's just.

Ron Cool:

Really, whatever God puts on my heart, that's it.

Ron Cool:

And that's what that's about.

Ron Cool:

Now it's transitioning a little bit where, God was really telling me,

Ron Cool:

step out, step out of the boat, right?

Ron Cool:

And, and maybe get into helping people launch podcasts that are

Ron Cool:

Christians, really focus on that.

Ron Cool:

So I started focusing on men because that was my thing.

Ron Cool:

And ironically, God's funny.

Ron Cool:

God is funny.

Ron Cool:

He gives me.

Ron Cool:

Women, right?

Ron Cool:

It's, it's crazy.

Ron Cool:

There was this, there's these two women that it's like, Hey, I've

Ron Cool:

been talking to her for a while.

Ron Cool:

She goes, my shirt.

Ron Cool:

She goes, I want to start a podcast.

Ron Cool:

It's called the mind table talk.

Ron Cool:

They, I helped her launch.

Ron Cool:

They hit number one.

Ron Cool:

They've been number one for a week and a half.

Ron Cool:

They were, it's amazing.

Ron Cool:

We launched her book career, like doing a lot of cool things.

Ron Cool:

Then I get, I redo my website around helping men.

Ron Cool:

It's literally helping men and I have this woman reach out to me and she goes, Hey,

Ron Cool:

I was praying and God told me to renew my mind, which is my podcast verse, right?

Ron Cool:

Romans 12 to and I googled top Christian coach and you came up.

Ron Cool:

So I would like you to coach me.

Ron Cool:

I was like, let's, let's talk because that's super interesting.

Ron Cool:

And we were talking and I was like, what do you want to do?

Ron Cool:

Yeah.

Ron Cool:

And she has an amazing story.

Ron Cool:

And I was like, wow, Lord, am I supposed to just help anybody that's Christian?

Ron Cool:

I, I don't understand.

Ron Cool:

But then looking back at my clientele from before, guess what?

Ron Cool:

Most of them were Christian women.

Ron Cool:

So now it's okay, I'm just going to really just, however, to help get God's

Ron Cool:

message out, that's what I'm focused on,

Tim Winders:

one quick thing there.

Tim Winders:

We'll say this and then move along.

Tim Winders:

Women are willing to ask for, for help.

Tim Winders:

Most men won't ask for, I mean, it could be that.

Ron Cool:

That's true.

Ron Cool:

That is so funny.

Ron Cool:

Yeah, no.

Ron Cool:

I, I just relaunched my website.

Ron Cool:

I just got season three going for a new path.

Ron Cool:

New you, and it's, it's funny because I'm getting a lot of people that show

Ron Cool:

took off faster than my other show and I didn't expect that, you know?

Ron Cool:

and it's interesting because it's a vulnerable show and, I share my story.

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I share my testimony in that.

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I shared my struggles.

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And it's just kind of like how I look at it is like when I'm not

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around, my kids can listen to that and go, that's who dad was.

Ron Cool:

That's who dad was.

Ron Cool:

That's what I want it to be.

Ron Cool:

And, and I know, because God is amazing.

Ron Cool:

It will hit people and help people.

Ron Cool:

because that's what testimonies do.

Ron Cool:

And the hard, you have to have the hard, you have to have the, the storm

Ron Cool:

or your testimony is not as cool.

Ron Cool:

It's not as relatable.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Tim Winders:

Yeah, that's good.

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Ron, tell everybody where they can find anything else.

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I know, we can probably guess the domain that you were able to get, but

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go ahead and give it here just for those folks that might be cruising around.

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And then, and then what we're going to recommend is people maybe jump

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over there right when they leave here, if they're on the podcast platform.

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And so where all can they find you if someone needs

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Ron, where do they need to go?

Ron Cool:

new path.

Ron Cool:

New you.

Ron Cool:

com.

Ron Cool:

I mean, that's the easiest one.

Ron Cool:

I love Instagram.

Ron Cool:

it's our cool junior.

Ron Cool:

Um, but it's, it's a different story.

Ron Cool:

So probably my, my website cause God's actually having me possibly closed down

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my Instagram and that's really hard.

Tim Winders:

Whew, that's a whole nother topic for another day, this

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social media, because, because you mentioned micro content and that's

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where all that stuff lives on

Ron Cool:

No.

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Instagrams and stuff.

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So anyway, we're going to pause that because that's

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probably a long conversation

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and I'm going to wrap, I'm going to wrap up with, with my

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question that I summarized with.

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We're Go create those three words.

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We mashed together for our podcast.

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You can only choose one.

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I'm either going to allow you or force you to only choose one.

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Which word do you choose that resonates or whatever?

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Don't, don't overthink it.

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And why?

Ron Cool:

Seek.

Ron Cool:

Seek.

Ron Cool:

Seek the kingdom of God first.

Ron Cool:

Right.

Ron Cool:

And you have it first in your title.

Ron Cool:

And I don't think that's on accident.

Ron Cool:

and, and seek because if you seek God first, everything else falls in line.

Ron Cool:

if your relationship, the vertical relationship is right, all the, all

Ron Cool:

these other relationships are good.

Ron Cool:

So seek.

Tim Winders:

Amen.

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

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There's a reason it's first and that Matthew 6 33 is a foundational

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scripture for my journey.

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