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Episode 510th September 2026 • Taylor Made Macro • Chase Taylor
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Market beatings will continue until the war ends. I discuss why I think markets can no longer avoid the war or the inflation it is causing.

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All right.

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Welcome back to another

Daily Discernments.

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we got to the point we got

to the point where it's too

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much to not talk about today.

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the title of this one is Beatings Will

Continue, and that is because I think when

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it comes to markets, beatings are, will

continue until the war ends at this point.

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You know, we've been able to

largely ignore the war from

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the, a market standpoint.

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O-obviously, like oil and, has had

big ups and downs along the way.

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but equities, eh, they didn't really have

to care until really, really recently.

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You know, like bonds had to, had to like

respond somewhat to energy prices, but it

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wasn't, it just wasn't that big a deal.

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I think we've got to a point, and it

kinda really started with the first

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day Secretary Bessent jumped into

start messing with the bond market

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whenever he got to about whatever

it was, four point seven, I think

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it was, on the thirty years, kinda

when, when he jumped in and got…

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Or maybe I'm thinking of the ten year.

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But a little activist, let's say, in

trying to get, yields down and had

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to subsequently follow that up and

follow that up to try to kind of put

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the, the toothpaste back in the tube.

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Now he may wanna take it back out.

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since, since Druck's op-ed came out,

he You know, ha-hasn't been nearly as

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forceful, if anything, kind of backed off.

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But, you know, now that you got the

ten-year getting pretty close to

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not just, you know, the prior highs

from twenty twenty-three, taking

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that out, but, I mean, you're close

to being back to, like, '02 levels.

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You're, like, two bad days,

maybe even one really bad day

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from being at, like, '02 levels.

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so this is, this is getting

problematic quickly.

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and a lot of it's obviously on the

back of what's going on with the

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war and what's going on with energy.

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And I think we've kinda run out of runway.

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If, if people that listen to the Daily

Dots as well, if you go back, I don't

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know, two, three months, whatever,

I kept saying, like, "Look, there,

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there are very real reasons that oil

isn't, like, spiraling out of control."

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chiefly among them, hey, China,

like, stopped buying massively, like

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huge amounts of, of oil they stopped

buying, which basically papered over,

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like, three-fourths of the problem.

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And then you throw in, you know, what

you're sneaking out of the Strait, what

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you're, what you're bypassing, and it's

like, okay, well, that makes sense.

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Like, you went from what looked

like a, you know, ten million barrel

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a day problem to, two or three

million barrel a day problem, which

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is a much, much smaller problem.

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But I kept saying, like, there's

three things holding this together.

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You know, we-- you have SBRs,

you have bypasses and s-- and,

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and what you're getting out of

the Strait, and you have China.

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The point I kept making back then

when everyone was, you know, making

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fun of people that were bullish

oil because they thought, you know,

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like, well, if politicians want

it to be low, it'll be low, and

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there's nothing you can do about it.

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Well, they still want it to be low

when it's a hundred bucks, right?

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Like, sorry, but markets still work.

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Oil supply still matters, as I, you

know, kept saying on Twitter, like-

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The, the, the problem now is, well, you

still have an SPR lever you can pull.

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Like, that's not over, and

I think they will pull it.

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They, they said, whatever, like a month

ago, like, "Nope, we're not doing that.

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We're not gonna do any more."

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They will.

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They're gonna, they're gonna run

the thing down till nothing's left

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if, if the war keeps going 'cause,

you know, it's politically expedient

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short term, and as we've probably all

learned by now, whatever's politically

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expedient short term, who cares

about the long-term consequences?

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Let's, let's pull that lever.

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So they will.

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So like that, you still

have some SPR runway.

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There's months left of that in the US.

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But the closer you get to the end

of it, the more the market has to

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stare down the, a post-SPR world.

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you know, Japan, Europe, this--

they'll, they still have SPR.

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Obviously, China has a massive one.

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So like once ours is over, it's not over

for the world, but that is still gonna

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be, you know, hundreds of thousands

of barrels a day that's just…

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It's not there as a buffer anymore.

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China went from shocking, you

know, demand drop in how much they

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were importing to less shocking.

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Like, they, they have

beefed up those imports.

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Their refinery margins have picked up.

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As I've mentioned, you know, the,

the Shanghai futures are now more

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expensive than Brent futures.

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You're seeing all these signs

that they're coming back.

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Now, would they like to sit

out at a hundred and twenty

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or whatever if we get there?

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Like, yeah, they would love to,

but when you already sat out the

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last six months, it is, it's really

hard to just sit out forever.

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Like, the, the math doesn't math

on China being able to, you know,

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cut imports by whatever, eight

million barrels a day forever.

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Like, they can't do that forever.

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They're, they're an import-dependent

economy when it comes to oil.

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and to be f- to be clear, like the world

needs them to import a bunch, refine

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a bunch, export the refined products.

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We so- we have like two hundred and

twenty dollar a barrel diesel right now,

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which to be, to be fair, you know, w-

the thing I kept calling for, you know,

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if you go back to like March, April,

May, was like we need the price to get

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up so that we can bring demand down.

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To be super clear, six dollar

diesel, th-that's, that's a level

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where you start messing with demand.

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Now, is the average 18-wheeler

gonna stop moving goods?

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Of course not.

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But You know, if you have, if you

have a small car that you don't

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really like driving and you have a

diesel truck that you do like driving,

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you're gonna park the diesel truck.

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Like, you're gonna start bending,

you know, like that curve on demand.

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Like some peop- anyone

that can will ration.

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Let's say, you know, you're, you work

for some contractor that goes out to

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job sites, you know, all day, every day.

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Maybe you normally take two trucks

out to those just in case you need

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that second truck for the tools.

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Eh, now you might start taking one and

call in the second truck if you need it.

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Like, there's gonna be

little things like that.

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We have, I would argue

six dollar diesel…

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Okay, now we're, we're reaching demand

destruction levels, and obviously

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not just in the US, but globally.

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So that will be a thing.

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People that can, you know, switch

sources, they're gonna switch.

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Like, if you can move

over to an EV, you will.

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If you can, you know…

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What- anything you can

do, you're gonna do it.

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If you can move from a diesel generator

to a battery generator or a, you know,

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let's say you're out in the field

in Canada, you can, if you can move

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over to a, you know, nat gas driven

generator instead of a diesel one,

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what, like, yeah, you're doing that.

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Like, all these little sources

are going to, to come up.

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I would say LNG trucks, which

took off like crazy in China, but

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obviously LNG's no, no cheaper thanks

to the same problem in the Strait.

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so energy prices are doing

what they're doing b- mo-mostly

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because of the war, obviously.

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It's hard to see that getting a

lot better right now because…

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And, and, you know, for weeks, I think

the markets have sleep, just kinda

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slept on this, which is what I expected.

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I, you know, I wrote a piece

basically outlining The strait

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is gonna be 20 to 80% open.

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It's not gonna be 100% open.

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Everyone's just gonna like,

be like, "Well, who cares?

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It's 100% open, close enough."

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And it wouldn't be.

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It would be somewhere between 20 and 80.

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They got it up to like 60 pretty

solidly, which is impressive,

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honestly, when you-- whenever you

include bypassing, to be clear.

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Now it's less though because that, that

was costing Iran time, and they didn't

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like that, so Iran got more aggressive.

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And then obviously, whenever they brought

in the Houthis and started throttling

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the Red Sea flows, that was a big deal.

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And the Houthis, unlike, unlike Iran,

like they don't really pull punches.

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They're not, they're not trying to

like massage this thing and, and,

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and keep like, keep the ability

to pivot right back to diplomacy.

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Like, I don't think the Houthis

care about diplomacy at, at the

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same rate that, that Iran does.

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So they are just reaching out and touching

Saudi oil infrastructure almost every day.

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and, and one of the reasons I

wanted to record today is because

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it looks like they've done some

damage to the East West Pipeline.

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Now, I don't know if they just maybe

hit one pumping station that can be

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fixed in two days or something, and

it's not that big a deal or, or more.

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But there's clearly like some

emergency flaring it looks like going

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on on the East West Pipeline, like

a lot, and you know, the flow is

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gonna be down and that, that is…

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The lion's share of the offset from

the strait is coming from that East

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West Pipeline, so if that thing

is degraded, that's a big deal.

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The Houthis keep hitting oil storage tanks

at refining facilities in Saudi Arabia.

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Saudi Arabia basically copped, copped

to the fact that they're at:

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level on, oil production right now.

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Like, so you're talking about a

multi-decade low in production from

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the world's biggest swing producer.

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Like that is, that's a big deal.

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And again, like whenever you have

$100 oil, which, you know, just

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hit 100 today, that's not enough

to-- for demand destruction.

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Now diesel has hit it.

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Gasoline starting to get, I would

say, close to being able to do that,

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but probably have some more, more

to go before you have real demand

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destruction on a, on a level that

starts to make this all even out.

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And, and what makes this worse is,

is the Houthis have pressed towards

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the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, like taking

territory, conquering territory from

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the, you know, the Yemeni governent-

government on the other side.

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So they were already able to affect

Bab el-Mandeb flows because, you

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know, they have ballistic missiles.

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Those things go far.

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They literally kind of leave,

you know, Earth and come back.

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So now that they are there, like

controlling islands right next

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to the strait and having coastal

territory and stuff, like they

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can really disrupt that stuff.

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And it may let them target up north

back towards, you know, the, you

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know, the, the East-West pipeline

itself, where it empties in Yanbu, you

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know, onto ships and then goes north

through, through the strait there.

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Like that, it, it offers them

probably a little bit more tactical,

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possibilities to hit that stuff as well.

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So point being, Iran is getting

more, aggressive with the way they're

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controlling the Strait of Hormuz, and now

I would argue that the Houthis are getting

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more power to control Red Sea flows.

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So Persian Gulf and Red Sea flows,

like it's almost like a vice on both.

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It's getting tightened down.

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Now, you're still getting,

you're still getting stuff, stuff

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out of the Strait of Hormuz.

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Don't, don't, don't get me wrong.

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but it looks to me like the Iranians are

starting to take ship-to-ship transfers

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a little more seriously, threatening

ports, threatening stuff that's anchored.

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not to mention getting more aggressive

towards the US Navy with, not just, you

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know, some of their kind of lame coastal

missiles and, and drones and stuff, but

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even potentially hypersonic missiles that

are not easy to shoot down for the Navy.

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and I think it goes without saying

that if we got a carrier hit or a

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destroyer hit, that's a really big deal.

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and it makes it clear, like you

might need to back up, and if

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you back up, it gets harder to,

you know, keep your blockade on.

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Not to mention, like the, the

United, you know, American people

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are already against this conflict.

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So you start losing, you know,

Having major damage done to naval

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order of battle, in addition to all

the air order of battle we've lost

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or had damaged in the conflict,

more, more fatalities, God forbid.

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Like, it, it just gets that much more

unpopular, especially as the price

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of the pump keeps rationing higher.

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so as we kind of lose these offsets,

you know, China can't really stop.

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Ke-- I don't think China can

go back to the lows of buying.

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I think at best, you know,

they're gonna stick at these

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s- a little bit higher levels.

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And God forbid, they-- if they go back

to, like, a normal import level or even

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close, you know, oil, oil is easily one

thirty, one forty, one fifty on that.

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the-- some people seem to think they

want that to happen, like, but you don't.

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Like, other than to maybe reduce some

pressure on diesel, assuming they

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would export enough refined products.

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But…

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And then on the, on the, on the other side

of this, which is kinda the same side of,

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you know, or a different, the other-- a

different side of the same coin, rates.

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I mean, exploding higher.

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You now have almost four,

you know, hikes priced.

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You have, like, three point three, three

point four hikes priced now at this point.

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the two-year yield is eighty-three,

eighty-four basis points

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higher than the Fed funds rate.

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So it's, you know, three and a half, hikes

priced into the next two years there.

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so now you're, now you're

starting to, like, mess with,

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you know, cost of capital.

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And with the AI fellows needing to sell

bonds to keep that dream alive, like, you

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know, their cost of financing gets worse.

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All the private credit stuff tied to SOFR,

you start rate, doing rate hikes, well,

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obviously that means SOFR's going higher.

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the, the cost of capital

is becoming a problem.

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And sure, like, Google can pay the

cost of capital, but not everyone can.

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Like, there are small businesses out

there that have to borrow money tied

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to SOFR, and all of a sudden it's

gonna be fifty, seventy-five basis

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points higher, and it, that could be

a big deal for some of these people.

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Especially as they're getting squeezed

by higher, higher costs for themselves

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and, you know, regular people have

their real income getting squeezed

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and going negative because inflation

is outpacing their wage gains.

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So it's not like they're gonna--

you can just charge customers

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to make up the difference.

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Not for everybody.

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Some people can, but, but a

lot of people won't be able to.

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So point being, you're gonna start up

here at these levels, you know, five

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percent ten-year, six dollar diesel.

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As we move above those, if the war

keeps going, because we've lost our

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ability to kind of blunt the war

impacts, start messing with the real

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economy, you know, inflation's been

good enough in the threes or whatever.

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Like, well, next thing you know,

you're pressing five percent inflation.

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If the war continues for

another few months, like

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Point, the big overarching point is

markets have been able to largely ignore

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this war other than, you know, markets

that everyone's basically have to ignore.

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Like, the average American could care

less that, you know, the Europeans and

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Asians are paying a bunch for LNG or that,

you know, some chemicals prices went up

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or, you know, other than farmers, no one

cares about some of those input costs

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that farmers have tied to the straight,

you know, like sugar or whatever.

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Like, no one's noticed that yet 'cause

it hasn't flowed through to retail

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prices in a, in a meaningful way.

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We're, we're talking about a bunch

of wholesale prices that have moved,

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and obviously retail prices have.

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Like, you know, the, the inflation report

tomorrow is expected that headline to

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come in at point four month over month.

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You know, I don't…

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That's close to five percent

annualized inflation.

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That's not nothing.

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but we haven't really seen this stuff

flow through yet and, you know, to

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see some, some of the people at the

Fed still acting like, "Oh, well,

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underlying inflation's gotten a lot

better in the last couple months."

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Like, guys, look, look out the window.

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It's like I always try to-- I always

like to s- you know, compare this to

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the map is not the territory thing.

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You know, the…

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That, that cliff wasn't on my GPS.

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I feel like that's where we're

at with the, with the Fed.

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Like, just look out the

window, six dollar diesel.

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Like, inflation's going up, and it's going

up a lot, especially with agriculture

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prices doing what they're doing.

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And by the way, diesel is a

giant input in agriculture

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prices, so it's gonna get worse.

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clearly inflation is high and rising

and potentially getting a little,

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you know, nonlinear all of a sudden.

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Rates, same thing.

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And, you know, if you're the average

equity, like, eh, you have-- you

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really haven't needed to care.

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But if we're gonna press higher

from here without pan- policymakers

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panicking imminently, beatings

will continue until the war ends.

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so what the market needs at

this point is policymaker panic.

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Whenever they panic, you

can un-panic as an investor.

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So yes, Bessent has stepped

in with the, you know, buyback

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stuff, but that's really mild.

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Now, whenever they talked about

using the TGA, different story.

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Like that, they can get yields down

if they weaponize the TGA at scale.

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But you probably need that to be worse

than here to justify it or to have,

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you know, the Fed just go mop up f-

you know, half a trillion dollars

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doing QE or something like You can't

do it just because the price is unfun.

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Like now a day like today, ten basis

points on the ten year, you get a few

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of those and you can make the argument,

look, this is disorderly, this is crazy.

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We can't have this.

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We have to step in.

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you're not there yet though.

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But point being, you need policymakers

to panic so markets cannot.

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Or more to the point,

you need the war to end.

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But with that said, you know, it's

not like we're-- it's not like

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FinTwit guys or the only people that

can, can draw a line on a chart for

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yields or, or, or oil or diesel.

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Like promise you Scott

Bessent has his own crayons.

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You know, people in the White

House have their own crayons.

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They drew the same lines you did.

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They see this stuff breaking out.

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They know what it means to.

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Which means, yeah, you, you are

likely getting closer to some sort of

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policymaker panic, whether that's, you

know, restarting negotiations with Iran

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and, and chilling out and coming up

with some new creative framework for

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the Strait that lets them control it.

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But you make sure you get a bunch out

and, you know, wink, wink, the, the tolls

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they, they charge are very voluntary.

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Like no one has to pay them.

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You know, this is all

above board, wink, wink.

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Like there, there's stuff you can do

to end this war, get it over with.

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Anyone paying attention will

know how much Iran won, but

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they're gonna win either way.

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So you may as well take the L and, and,

and start trying to move on from it.

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And hey, like five percent yields

and you know, a hundred and five and

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counting oil and six dollar diesel.

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Like that's the kind of stuff

that policymakers have to…

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It's a constraint.

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Like they can't ignore the constraints.

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but I will say like, I think we

also have to be prepared for instead

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of them going after the roots of

this thing, just, you know, going

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after the, the, the side effects.

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that's not what they should do, but

we may get some side effects stuff.

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And I think from a market practitioner

standpoint, what we have to watch here,

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what we have to-- the, the way we have

to make our decision is do they treat the

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symptoms or do they treat the root cause?

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If they treat the symptoms, you

keep pressing because beatings

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will continue until the market

improves or, or until the war ends.

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If they go after root cause, then, then

you, you know, if you're involved in

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these things, if you're short bonds,

you're super long oil or whatever,

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you, you back away if they, if they

panic and go after the root cause.

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If they just, you know, try to go

after the side effects, then I think

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you can kinda press ahead, you know.

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So that, that's what I'm gonna

be watching for as we go forward.

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But I think it's important to note,

like we've reached a point where like

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stocks don't get to ignore this anymore.

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You know, the bonds and oil, they

just don't have the same, margin

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of error and wiggle room they had.

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So I-- it's now, it's now

time to watch this stuff.

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It's time to hedge.

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It's time to be long vol and stuff

until the policymakers freak out.

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That's, that's the, that's the message.

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But that's all I got for today.

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be back next time.

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I think there's enough important

stuff to, throw out some discernments.

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Cheers.

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