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This Episode was first broadcast in 2018.

Martin Atkins is an author, documentary filmmaker, international touring drummer, record label owner, University teacher and speaker, and oh yeah, he's a funny funny man.

We chat:

• Martin's incredible history in music including his work with PiL, Nine Inch Nails, Ministry, Killing Joke, Pigface, Invisible Records and SEA Chicago.

• Martin's books about the music industry and touring Band Smart, Welcome to the Music Business Your F-worded, Tour Smart and his upcoming PiL book (Martin's books are among the few books on the music business that Josh feels are must-reads, and they're not just for the people in bands). 

• An experiment Martin ran on his University class that highlights the lowlights of the music business, and it's a good one.

• Martin's thoughts on how creative people of all kinds need to be out there doing real things, and meeting living breathing human beings (and treating them well). 

Find Martin online:

• @marteeeen on Twitter

• @flowersfightforsunshine on Instagram

Socials: @joshuacliston on Twitter.