The authors behind the award-winning novel and TV series The Expanse join me to discuss the politics and sociology of the science fiction future they've created. The Expanse is not a dystopia or a utopia, just a regular ole topia, in which corporations and governments continue to compete and cooperate both with each other and with resistance movements and labor unions. But in space!

Daniel, Ty, and I discuss the historical analogues for the governments and resistance movements in The Expanse, the humanity of their characters, and how the series differs from its peers The Wire and Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire.